2025: The Year We integrate Our Self Awareness: Dr. Patti Kim on Rituals, Longevity & Wellness Trends (1/2)
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Anytime something moves quickly in nature, it's destructive because it's not meant to move quickly. Even if it's just something as simple as a thunderstorm all the way to a tsunami. Nature does not move quickly. Otherwise, it's destructive. Welcome back. Happy New Year 2025. That's Richie, the dog that I've been spending the month with. And...

I'm delighted to be here with you. You're about to hear me speak to one of my closest friends. Perhaps you know her. If you do, you love her. She's been on the show twice already. She's joining a very small group in the Three Timers Club, and it's Dr. Patty. She came over yesterday, which was New Year's Day 2025. Today is the second day of the year, and I'm

I have been listening back to our conversation. If you don't know Dr. Patty Kim, she's a naturopathic doctor and acupuncturist here in Los Angeles. Very well known, very accomplished. And she happens to be one of my favorite people to talk to. And therefore, what you're about to hear is a very long, very loose conversation that's going to feel a bit like you're just eavesdropping on two friends talking.

hanging out on a holiday and it was also pretty late at night so it gets a little bit like a pillow talk at a sleepover and so loose in fact, you know, I could call this episode, I could title it, I might cut this out but because I said that pretty often. But you know, I was just editing it and I'm leaving in pretty much everything because I

I don't know, because this is what I like listening to podcast-wise, and tis the season. Thanks for being here. Thanks for listening. Like I said, it was long, so I'm actually splitting this up into two parts. So you're about to hear us start by talking about...

the new year and any traditions or journaling ins and outs, that sort of thing, self-awareness, but lacking integration. We get into cycles and trends and wellness. We talk about longevity in every sense of the word from her career to aging bodies and parents and pets and, and much, much more. So that's all ahead. And, um,

I'm so grateful that you're here, that you're listening. And if you haven't listened to her first two appearances on the show, you can always go back and listen to those. I know we talked about cocooning and navigating change while still being present and rituals and more about naturopathic medicine in those. And so those are there for you too.

I'll talk to you at the end, but thanks again. Here's my conversation with Dr. Patty Kim. And most of all, I just really hope you had a happy holiday season. Here's to a new year. And I'm optimistic and hopeful. I'm really hopeful.

Happy New Year! Happy New Year! We're back! The most requested guest on this podcast, my dear friend, my favorite person in the whole wide world, Dr. Patti Kim, is back on the podcast. This is only her third time. Oh, man.

Third time's the charm. Yeah. I'm happy to be back. I highly doubt that I'm the most requested, but thank you for boosting my little ego. I wouldn't lie about that. I wouldn't lie about anything. We're recording this at 8.44 p.m. on New Year's Day. January 1st, 2025. Time is a construct, people. And this is the first episode of the new year, which is wild. It's wild that...

I started this in 2013, so what's the mental math on that? More than 10. I'm an Asian woman who's bad at math. More than 10. I don't fit the stereotype. Yeah, it's 12 years, I guess. We'll be in March, something like that. I'm so happy to be here with you and...

Congratulations on 12 years. Longevity. I know. Yeah. Longevity. That's one of the things we're going to speak about today in many senses of the word. But okay, so it's New Year's Day.

Last night I was checking and you was trying to get you to come hang out with me, but you didn't. But you said you were going to do some, and I actually didn't even ask you this, did you end up doing any intention setting or journaling or pick a tarot card or anything? Do you have any routines that you do around the year? You said that you got, I asked you what you ate earlier, and you ate something that is part of a tradition. But do you have any traditions around the new year? Yeah, I've actually spent a few New Year's Eve's

home alone and just getting cozy and really wanting to ground. I was proud of myself because every year, you know, like everyone talks about like just being

and, you know, just organizing and decluttering before the year and being able to let go energetically, bringing new in. I wasn't able, I didn't have the energy or the time to do a deep clean, but I did. Part of the witchy ritual started with actually even cleaning and

As some of you know, I have a elderly, wonderful, speaking of witchy, magical senior dog, but she's losing her balance a lot. So my entire house is now lined with yoga mat material. It feels really nice. It actually does because I run cold. And as we've talked about in past conversations, it's not good for especially women to have cold feet. Yeah.

So the yoga mats actually do help with that. But lifting up, rolling those back up and cleaning under them and like vacuuming, just doing that took me hours, but it felt so good. And I don't know what it is about LA. I don't even, I hardly even open my windows. The dust, where is it even coming from? I don't even know. Maybe because it's just so sunny that we see it more here.

Like when it's not sunny, you don't notice your dust. That's true. Cause I do try to clean during the day so I can like really see, but yeah, the dust. Just everyone, dust is not something to be ashamed of. I've realized like when you have it, you just clean it. Like it's, I used to kind of be like, I'm disgusting. It just happens without, right? I think, I think that's a good philosophy. That's so true. You, I don't realize like,

all the little nooks and crannies where I carry shame and I do carry shame around my dust. Yeah. That's so funny. That's so funny for you to say that. That's, that's actually really helpful. So I cleaned, not a deep clean, but enough, enough to hopefully bring in some good energy. And I,

I did do some cards and I just do a simple, you know, what is it that I need to know? Dear universe, what would you have me know? And I pull a few cards. And if I recall, I pulled one flew out while I was shuffling. So obviously that was necessary. And that was about like movement and growth and

Oh God, I was like, is Katie going to ask me about growth tomorrow? Because I hate growing. I hate learning and growing. Yeah, I know. But it's so necessary and it's so beautiful once it happens. I just dread it. And I, you know, even when you're in it, it's okay. But it's the like,

Oh my God. Yeah. Like, anyway, so I pulled the cards. I think I also pulled Patience and Transformation, which was this deck that I received actually at that Christmas party that we went to. Oh, I forgot. I've been wondering. It was a white elephant. Yeah. And she brought an incredible gift. Yeah.

She brought a record player. I know. I thought it would like, it was such an incredible. A bigger hit than it was. But hopefully the girl who got it liked it. She seemed to like it. But I mean, I didn't see what you got. And I was wondering. Well, remember the fish wife fiasco. Oh, right. Yours got stolen. Well, I stole it from someone and then mine. And then it got stolen from me. I think I was like talking to someone else and I wasn't paying attention.

You were in and out of the 30-person White Elephant game. But I ended up with these Oracle cards that I actually really, really enjoy. Although the artwork on them is questionable. But yeah, so transformation. So I pulled those cards. I think the things with the worst artwork of like the esoteric spiritual is always the best stuff. Like the worst website's the best stuff. That's so true. I think. That's so true. Yeah. Yeah.

So this is a good deck. Good branding means not great product in my book. I have horrible branding and don't even think about it. So that makes me feel better. Yeah. And mine's, I, mine is good from, if you go back in time to 20, no,

19. Yours is just perfect. So I did that. And then this year, a good friend of mine and her family adopt me for the holidays for Christmas and Thanksgiving. And I was gifted a bayberry candle that you light on New Year's Eve and you light it until it burns all the way to call in the blessings and abundance and prosperity. And, you know, you couldn't come out because you

do and you know I have been like reluctant to light candles because this is not for everyone but I did see call it a psychic and intuitive oh I thought you were gonna say no what did you think I was gonna say

Go on. No, say it. Just like a fire hazard. No, but in the psychic reading, all of a sudden he said, do you like candles? And I said, like out of the blue. And I said, sometimes. And he just said, okay, be careful.

So, but he didn't say anything about I see a fire or anything, but the fact that he said that got me very, you know, as it would, I haven't really been, but my friend's mom, who I think of as like a second mom, she, I, she said, light the candle and then put it, if you're going to bed, put it in the bathtub.

So I had it like on a little ceramic thing. Oh. Because it was just a little candle. It wasn't... It was like a votive candle, but just, you know. So I had it on a little ceramic dish and then it was still lit. So I put it in the bathtub because, you know, it's not going to like light the bathtub on fire. So that made me feel like...

I can sleep easy. Yeah. So I put it in the bathtub and it all melted and you know, all the luck is coming. Oh, that's great. I love that. And set some intentions and when you're lighting the candle, like, you don't just light it. So little prayer and intentions and,

You know, I did think about kind of manifestation, if you will. I know the word is a little overused. If anyone's watching Somebody Somewhere, season three, HBO Max. What is that? I've never heard of that show. It's with Bridget Everett. I have no idea who that is either. I'm so chronically offline. That's good. That's good. We should all be chronically offline. But I do love...

Wait, what's the show about? It's called Somebody Somewhere. And I saw season one a million years ago. But Bridget Everett's sister dies of cancer. She goes back to her hometown in Kansas. And the look of it, it's very Midwestern, right? Like it's kind of not only is the landscape...

No, like kind of the vibe you feel when you're driving through cornfields in Iowa where you're kind of like, this is boring. Like that was, you know, it's not, it doesn't have a flashy look or a hipster look. Just like the carts. You know? Yes. Sometimes the best things are in the package you don't. Oh my God, completely. And I remember thinking like, am I going to like this? And I've knew Bridget Everett. She does cabaret. She's an actress. She's a comedian. And I kind of was like not drawn into the look of it, but the show is really good. And then,

I never watched season two and season three just came out and I went to watch season three realizing I hadn't seen season two and I got so excited. You know, there's nothing like, oh my God, I get two seasons to binge. And it was so lovely. But there's a quick going back, circling back, there's a quick little scene where basically Bridget's character says to her sister something, a little chant about manifesting and they're kind of mocking manifesting, but it's just...

You got to laugh at it. You know, even if you are someone who believes in it, which I do. And I do. You still have to, you know, you have to have a sense of humor about it, I think. Yeah, all of this. All of it, completely. So, you know, in my mind, part of the intentions. Also, I did think about what I wanted to manifest. But we've talked about this before, but sometimes I do lack a little clarity around this.

what it is exactly that I want. So sometimes I have some challenges around that. But yeah, so that was kind of what I did last night. I don't have like cable or anything, so I didn't like watch the ball drop, but it was just cozy. And then as you mentioned, Korean tradition is to eat...

the soup with dumplings and these rice cakes. They're like flat. I would love that. Almost like mochi consistency. And I remember my friend John, when we were growing up, used to call them, call it surfboard soup because the rice cakes are shaped like, they're kind of like elliptical shaped, I guess, but flat, if you can imagine. So I...

Sounds so good. Well, I don't. I also, I live alone. My parents, you know, I'm an only child. As you know, my parents live abroad and are going through their own struggles with aging, etc. So I don't have like family that I see on New Year's Day. So I just splurged and door dashed because I do not have food delivered. I rarely have food delivered. I'd never have one time in my life. Not even once? No.

Trying to think. I never did it in New York. Not even in New York? Because I was just, I lived really close to things. So I would just grab it. Yeah. Or get it on my way home. Yeah, because in New York you're always like out and about. And I never have here for sure. You're also out and about here. Because I just don't like it. I go to the grocery store as if it's like to go though. You know, I'll get like just a few things. Yeah, that's better. I...

I never did it. I never did it during COVID. I want to more because I feel like it, but I need to eat meals and not snacks. I ended up just eating snacks when I do that. Oh yeah. You need a little meal planning. I just don't know what I like, what I like. I don't know what I like out.

You know what I mean? Yeah, you're also like... But since I know you personally, like you're not someone who eats out a ton. Two, like the places you do eat out are quite like relatively healthy, especially like in your neighborhood. Or you have snacks and you've done grocery shopping. Yeah, or I go to like a fancy place with a friend. Yeah. That's like I'm not gonna... You're not gonna have that delivered. It's part of... It's the experience. Yes. But...

I like I have friends who because there are people who like have their Starbucks delivered in the morning, like they're on the opposite extreme of like literally everything is delivered. And I do have a couple of friends like that. But I know my my friend Joni was like, oh, my God, it's amazing. Like you just order this thing and then it just shows up at your door. And she kind of was like, beware, because, you know, I did. I understand a little bit because I had to use Instacart, as you know, for the first time this year. I've never done that.

I mean, I had no choice, obviously. And one of the things I missed most in the cast was going to the grocery store and wandering the grocery store. But it is really nice to shop. And it was actually a big distraction for me. I think I wrote about it in a newsletter once. Instacart was one of my distractions because I was addicted to it because it was my only... I had to do it. And...

But it was, it is kind of fun to like, I could do any grocery store and I can do anything I want. And you're just kind of like, it's online shopping. It's online shopping. And then you can decide when you get it. And it like, it is kind of, that is sort of fun. And then you do get kind of excited. Like, oh, I haven't, it's going to be there in the morning. Or like you can schedule it, which is nice. I wish I thought of online dating as online shopping and found it as fun. Yeah.

married people or coupled people always say that like it's just like online shopping and I'm like well I do not get the same thrill as I do an actual and it's that's not true at all because you don't get something delivered to your door it's not like you get a husband delivered to your doorstep it's it's just like it's just shopping it's not receiving that's so true

That's so true. Or maybe it is. Well, some. I'm just not very good at that particular. There is no option of delivery in that one. You only can do pickup. Yeah. You must leave the house. Well, I guess not always. Okay, so you picked a card. I love that, that you got the traditional soup. That sounds really good. I know I would have brought you some, but.

You're a vegetarian. They don't make a vegetarian version? Because the broth is like beef bone broth. Would you do that or no? Yeah, I would do that. You just wouldn't eat. But then they have like shredded meat in it. I guess you could ask for that. I don't know. That's okay. Maybe I'll just have to make it for you, but just with the surfboard rice cake part and no... The surfboard rice cake does sound very intriguing. Yeah.

Yeah, it's like... I actually can't picture it at all. There's a Korean dish called tteokbokki, and it's rice cakes. Like, they're little cylinders. As the ones you would buy at the store? They're like, I mean...

But small. Yeah, small, tiny little cylinders. Silver dollar pancakes. And then, no, no, no. They're like, imagine if you cut up a pencil. Yeah. Like into little, you know, or a pen or something. So it's like two inch, you know, pieces. But it's like in a spicy sauce. Oh, I love that. I love Korean food. I've had it one time with you. That wasn't even real.

What do you mean? That was real Korean food? The rice rolls. That was not Korean food? I mean, it is, but we should go to a Korean restaurant. But Korean, it is very meat. There is a lot of meat. But there's some vegetarian stuff. But that rice, so it's kind of like that stick...

that sticky rice but in the sauce it's like food you would buy like even on the streets in Korea not that I've been to Korea much but if you go out late night after drinking they have it like so it's like this sticky mochi kind of we gotta go yeah I want to go with you next time I mean we live near K-Town I know I know well that too but I meant actually Korea but oh I thought you just meant down Vermont no

Yeah, no, this is, now I'm like very hungry. I need to focus. But okay, so you, I love that you have that tradition and then you pick some cards. And then as you know, I used to teach this thing at Kripalu and I like to do some, and when I made it up, I did teach it at Kripalu for many years and now it's online now and I might do it in person here if there's enough interest. Let us know. Dr. Patty will come. Yes, I would love for you to do it in person.

Yeah, so we'll see. Maybe I'll do that. But if people want to do it, and some people are, and many of you can do it, you can redo it, and it's online if you want to do it. But anyway, for years before I started at Kripalu, I would teach at a yoga studio. And I made it up because it's something I would do with myself, and I would get this big poster board. And I did a version of it yesterday, which I was happy I took the time to do before I...

went and did something for New Year's Eve. And so I'm curious, like you picked the card. Did you do any... I don't know, I'll tell you what I did, but did you do any journaling or did you write down some stuff or did you like reflect going back? Because it sounds like you only thought about like... Future. Yeah, which I think is actually perhaps more productive. I have historically spent too much time thinking about the past. I did think about this year because honestly...

time truly what is time literally and I can't I couldn't remember what this year was one of my intentions was actually please allow me to be deeply present in my life because

because I was like, did I do anything this year? I actually felt a little bit down on myself, 'cause I'm like, did I do anything? - You didn't buy so fast, yeah. - My birthday is Leap Day, it only comes every four years. And I forgot that that was this year. February feels like,

- It was a million years ago. - I know, it really does. - You know? - It really does. - I mean, COVID definitely did a number on us in terms of our relationship to time, but also the world is moving just faster and faster and faster.

So I did look back because I needed some, like, touchstones of you did have joyful moments. You did, you know, do things. You did have connection. What were some of the sad things that happened? Like, I did need to reflect on those things because I just... Everything just feels like a blur. Well, that was under some sadder circumstances. But I did get out of the country. But I think it's good to, like... A lot of the things I wrote down were...

I think it just like for memory and to reflect of like, this is more just like, this is what happened this year, you know? And this was impactful on my year, you know? Like I, and I wrote, I wrote it down this way. Like, uh, I'll actually like, I'll like say some things like I, okay. I wrote down, please do Mexico trip survived. And then I wrote like some personal things that happened when I was there that you know about. Um,

trip to Michigan. You know what I mean? Like it wasn't like, yeah, exactly. Like it wasn't like, Oh, number seven, closer with Dr. Patty and Maddie. Oh yeah. Like, so I just, okay. So I'll, I'll tell you my little process, but, but, and people who have done either that workshop with me live in some form or are doing it now, like my whole spiel with it is like, before you look forward, I have us go back. Cause I do think it, like you said, I think it's,

I think it's important and I think it's like sometimes it's good to do the thing you're meant to do at the time you're meant to do it that's like Francis Haas says that in that movie but like I think the collective momentum around personal growth and change and as people who are like into self-help and into spirituality and have you know I'll speak for myself here but like

integration is challenging where Dr. Patty and I are both very self-aware and aware that we're self-aware to the point where it's very uncomfortable when we're not, we know what we need to do and we're not doing it. And like, I almost wish I didn't have the self-awareness and could live in that. But I think regardless to find that clarity and obviously like I, as you know, I relate to that. A recent newsletter was all about the important, you know, Voltaire says, um,

God punishes the vague wish but rewards the specific ask. And I think getting clarity of where you're going, putting a destination in your GPS just to go towards something is really effective. And even if you don't want to go that way anymore, you'll be rerouted, but just so you start. And I think in order to sometimes get really clear, because it is better if you pick a destination that you want to go towards to make progress. So it's useful if you can to...

to have the framework and groundwork of, you know, where you've been to figure out where you're going. And so anyway, what I do, and this is not the, it was like a process to this, but I remember like what I was saying in my little, I lived in this apartment by myself in Michigan, my first apartment ever, not where I grew up when I like moved away to Detroit. And I,

I remember being there and I got this poster board at CVS and I, and this was, this would have been like 2013 to 2014, like the New Year's Eve. And I wrote down big 2013 big wins. And I just made this list and I was, I had so many, you know, like I was so, it was as if I, the best year of my, like I had, I just kept going and going and going. And you know what they were, were like, a lot of them were little things, but like it was huge that I like,

lived in the apartment on my own. I like didn't get fired from my job. I like taught yoga there, you know, I don't know what it was, but like there was a bunch. And I remember like, I really wanted to have, this is so silly now. I don't even know my Facebook password, but I really wanted to have a thousand fans for let it out. And I got that like, that was, you know, it was just like that kind of thing, like little, little goals. And, and this year they were a bit different, you know, like it's like, it wasn't, but, but I think it's important. And

And this year I specifically made myself do, and I think I'm, I don't know if I do this in the workshop or not, but I made myself do 24. And yeah, like I'll give you an example of a couple. I mean, gosh, should you, there's so, it's like kind of pathetic this year, but. Every little win counts. Should you just like pick a number and I have to say one? 17. 17.

This one's kind of heavy. Sitting with the disappointment of relationships in flux, hopeful for future, grateful for the ones I have. That's wonderful. Oh, I'm going to cry. That's beautiful. It's like so honest. Yeah. And that's a win.

- Yeah, navigating the size change clothing-wise, organizing my closet. You know what I mean? I think it's just good to, like the things I have on are so little this year. - No, no, actually I wanna reframe because it's such a reflection of,

like we don't just get older, I think we deepen. Like we, you know, it's like we get more complex. The way that like people, I don't drink, but the way that like everything else that like is expensive that ages, like fancy cheese, fancy wine, like these things are like prized for how they age and the flavors they develop and the complexity. And even just the two things that you wrote that you shared are,

to me are actually like much more meaningful and deeper and complex. You know, yeah, my first, I'm, I'm living in my own apartment. Like I didn't get fired. Oh my God, this yoga studio. Like, you know, those are amazing wins, but they're, it's like,

bubblier, lighter, fizzier, just like youth, you know? And I actually think the two things that you shared, and I'm sure the other 22 are... Look at me doing math. The other 22 are just equally as potent and deep. And they're not actually...

any of those things that you said of like, oh, not a big deal or pathetic or whatever. I actually think that they're actually more meaningful. And it's the kind of stuff like, you know, it's so easy. This is a little bit of a tangent, but we often talk about like, it's easy to mark our successes by, oh, I bought a house. I bought a car. I got married. Like, but these sort of intangible things of, oh, I set better boundaries or I,

bought a bigger size pant and felt okay or I you know let go of this friend that's not good for me or tighten my circle of friends or those are things that are real successes that we don't really talk about so I don't know I think the two that you shared are yeah I mean phenomenal the reason I thank you that's very sweet but the reason I bring those up is I think

There have been years where I've written down, like, published a book or, like, you know, had a new relationship or moved to New York or moved to L.A. or, like... But, you know, this year, it...

In a way, it was slim or traveled to wherever or whatever. Just less flashy, not anywhere less important or meaningful. Thank you. But I had a tough year, as you know, and you did too. And I think a lot of people did this year. And I think that's why the way that these... But my point is I was still able to do this. Yes. Even though it looks a little different than it's looked other years. Yeah. I was still able to like...

I probably could have kept going. And it forces you to, I mean, it's a gratitude exercise, though. But, like, you know, big wins. Like, it's kind of, I love that. I like that it's called that. Because it's not just gratitude. It's not like, I'm grateful for my family and my dog. And it's, like, actually, like, grateful for yourself of what you've. Yeah, like, a lot of these were, like, I wrote down navigated things.

I'll blur out the names of this, but like navigated a work shifting situation. And I'm proud of myself that I got through it. You know, I think of that Richard Greenberg quote that I always say, nostalgia is longing for a time you knew you could survive forever.

And I think that's what all, like looking back at all these things, like I got through all of this stuff. Some of it felt, some of these were things that felt good. Some of these were things that, yeah, I feel like if you, if you made that list this year of went to Austin for my birthday, like some of them are like, that was just like a good thing of like, but I got through going to Korea. Like you did it. You, you shared about something related to that. You, um,

You helped your, you know, like, I don't know. You helped me a lot when I really needed it. And, like, you had not of the time to do that. But you did it. And, like, I don't know. If I was making this list for you, which I'm doing right now, I would write that down if I were you. You know? Like, you got through that. You saw another year of patience. You kept going. You know what I mean? And I just am giving these examples because I feel like everyone should do this. I feel like it's a...

looking back at your year this way is important. And you can, if someone's listening to this in the future or the past, you're like, you don't have to do it the new year, but I think it's better to, I think it's a good way

We're probably not going to do this every month. I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to do it around the new moon or around like have a personal inventory day. Maybe seasonally, like quarterly. But we're probably not going to remember as much as the new year. Everyone's talking about this kind of shit. So it's pretty likely that we're going to think about it and do it. And I think it's a really... That's what I'm saying about that Francis Ha quote of like, sometimes it's good to do the thing you're meant to do when you're meant to do it. And I think...

got to rewatch that I quote I have like the same if people listen to the show often they're like she has four quotes like this person doesn't watch anything new or do anything different wait that that Kat Cohen quoted I'm gonna F it up because I have not seen that movie but you might do you know the quote she says that somebody asks Francis like what do you do

Oh, I can, I got it. It's complicated. What do you do? She says, it's complicated. And she's like, oh, because what you do is difficult to understand? And she's like, no, because I don't really do it. Yes. What do you do? That's such a stupid question. Just kidding. It's kind of hard to explain. Because what you do is complicated? Because I don't really do it. I love it.

I think about that every time someone asks me that question. I love that quote. I know. And you got any more? Like a drinking game when I was in college was to, I have a few things in my, in my brain that are not useful at all. But another one is I know every single, you know this, I think I know every single line of rent. Like it's just in here forever. I did see it like three times.

Yeah. And it's another thing Uncle Greg introduced me to before Funny Girl, actually. But anyway, in college at U of M, the rival school to where I went, but kind of half of my high school goes there, half goes to where I went to college. So I would go visit them a lot. And their freshman year, they had to read it. They had to read the play. Really? Whatever freshman entry level

English class. I was so jealous. Their English class was way more fun than mine. Me too. But they all had the book in their dorms. I cannot believe that. I got introduced to it freshman year of college because I'm much older than you, as I always point out. But that's when I got introduced to it through a couple friends and was obsessed with it. If I could have then studied it in class, oh my God, I would have short-circuited. Well, I don't know if I've ever told you this, but I...

I did take a contemporary literature class and David Sedaris was one of our... That's how I know him. He came? No.

No. Oh. We read Me Talk Pretty one day. I thought he was like a guest lecturer. No, no, no. I was just literally about to show it. She loves David Sedaris. But anyway, I mean, that is cool too. So you can... So they would have the book in there and the drinking game was like they would open it to any page, kind of like you did. Yeah, yeah. And they would say a line and I could say that. And they were just like, this is so weird. You're like a savant with rent. Yeah, just as one thing. But I can also do that with Rent is Hot probably. But okay. Okay.

So I do that. I write out the numbers and then I also, I made a list with 25 things. Uh-huh. That's what do I want next year. Mm.

so it just and I and I also start doing this yeah I mean this is what the workshop is this like on steroids basically and but and I also did it you guys should all get this workshop I'm gonna get it well maybe we'll do it in person or you and I can just do it if there's not enough people who want to do it with there'll be enough people this is great I also did ins and outs which I can share with you too but then I wait do you feel comfortable sharing maybe one or two things from the what I want yeah do you want to pick a random

You feel okay with me? Sure, but if I don't like it a lot, I'll pick it up. I'll tell you if I'm doing that. Okay, eight. Oh, clear skin. Okay, that's a reasonable ask. Yeah. Your skin looks pretty clear to me. I think it's better than it has been. Okay, what about 11? Oh, okay. Curtains. Oh, you and I.

This is where our Venn diagrams overlap. People, I have had... If you're a friend of mine, you're so sick of hearing about this, but I've had freaking paper, temporary paper blinds up for so long and I just need...

to get around to getting the drapes up. People can look right into my kitchen at night. Yeah, well, anyway, I think that that's a fun exercise. And if you do them, we should do this again annually and see if we got any of these. I like that it's not like these deep, this huge...

my manifestation list of things that I'm calling in that too. But like, yeah, clear skin. I want drapes. I want blinds. Yeah. I mean, these are the broad ones. And then I have us like get more. And I, I've, to be honest, I taught this, like, as you know, in person for a couple of years and then obviously stopped when it was the pandemic. And then I taught it one time online since. And then that it's the replay of that, that like people can, can buy. It's like not that much. It's a,

Everyone buy it. But like that, I haven't done it. I haven't taught it since 2020. And I haven't done it since 2020. Yeah.

And I kind of... Really? Yeah. I mean, I've done like half versions of it. Like I've done a little bit of journaling, but I haven't done like the whole process myself. Oh, it's time. Let's all do it. Yeah. And I do think there is like some... And I've been thinking about this a lot of... And this is sort of what that last newsletter was about. And I just made that point of like it is... I know. I read it. Looking forward, having that destination in the GPS, I do think is... There's some...

magic to that or just usefulness. But anyway, we've gone on a wave tangent about that. But no, no, no. I really was wondering. But okay, so those were mine. But do you want to share any of... I know you...

you haven't done that exact thing but are there any ins and outs for you that you can I can't pick a number but like is there anything other than also curtains anything and this you might hate this question so you can I'm gonna give you a bunch and you can tell me what you want to do and you can skip what you is there anything looking back that you're really proud of from this year and is there anything looking forward that you like an intention you set or some ins and outs or all of the above

That's such a good question. And I need to ask myself this more because even just hearing your list about big wins, I never sit down to think about like, well, we'll do the workshop and what good that I've done, you know, I mean on a broader scale, like,

Even though I've been practicing medicine for so many years, you know, for a long time, I had consulting jobs or I worked for other, you know, companies while I also saw patients and I was building my practice. And there was a time in the beginning that I thought, will I ever just be surviving and, you know, supporting myself? And we talk about this a little bit, but I even said to my friend who's married, I'm like,

Like there's so few examples of really successful women who aren't like Martha Stewart types. Like I'm just never going to be like boss, girl, CEO energy. That's just like not who I am. And like I don't have a lot of examples of women who are making it, doing well. And so it's hard to kind of have a role model in that way. But so I think every year I'm just so proud of my patience and my practice and that I've been able to craft things.

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You know, I like helping the patients. Right, right. So I think that's the same. I really, I think a lot of people really, it's a very different hat. Totally, yes. Those two hats are very different. And very few people who are really good at one are good at both. And you are good at both, but that makes sense that you would prefer doing one than the other. Yeah, I mean, my business would look quite different if I was a little, had a better innate skill set. And it's really bad if it was the other way. Like if you were just good at one.

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But, you know, I look at some people and I realize like, wow, they really love building companies, starting companies, like expanding, scaling this, that. And like, I could use a little bit more of that. Not going to lie. I am, you know, but yeah. So I think going back to what you're saying, I think I'm always proud of myself for, you know, being a doctor and supporting this business, helping people. So I think that's one of, one

One of the things. And then what was the second part? Like looking forward or something? Yeah. Anything that other than curtains that you are... That I would like to bring in or that I... Well...

It's okay. I want to keep Olive immortal. I want to keep my dog living forever, but just, you know, one day at a time and I want her to have a healthy year. Take care of Olive. And yeah, if Olive was healthy and I had, you know,

enough money to pay my bills and live my life and get some drapes, life would be pretty great. We can do that. We can do that.

But we got to dream big. We got to dream bigger than just drapes and a healthy dog. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. And I think that's what this, I think that's like the method of my madness is with this exercise is to be like, it gives you the belief in yourself a little bit. Because it's like, if I just didn't do that, if I hadn't done that exercise where I'm like, it really this year more than ever, any other year felt like I was like,

It wasn't even that hard, though. I was able to come up with 24-0 problem, but it's been easier. But by doing that, I was able to see things that I want and be like, I could do that, too. But I think if I just abstractly looked back at this year and I was just like,

2020 tour was really hard. And then I would be like, how dare I want anything? I did nothing last year. Like it would be so easy for me to say I literally did nothing and I had no accomplishments. Yeah. But I did some and I wrote what I did. You know, and I think it gives you some momentum to to think that you can have the audacity to write down something that you want and desire and like claim that it's possible. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Even if what you wrote down has nothing to do with that, but it means you did something, so why can't you do this other thing? Completely, yes. Okay, I want to talk about, we were talking about this abstractly a little bit, but I want to talk about longevity with you in terms of your career. You've been an acupuncturist and naturopathic doctor for years, and you've helped so many people. What have you learned about longevity?

just from doing something for a long time and you've had to navigate so much change throughout your career. What have you learned about yourself for doing something for so long? I would say it's really about being open. I feel like a fraud saying this.

In the greater sense, it's being open to change. Because when I think about how I, what my treatment plans were on a very practical logistical level, you know, 20 years ago, or my attending doctors and my mentors who I looked up to and how I view health and I practice now, it's, I've had to let go and evolve and, you know, adjust. I used to have, you know, kind of

It's like the, what's the word, but you know, when you're youthful and you just think like, this is how it has to be. And like this patient better do this. And this, if they just did this, they would get better. And you know, that rigidity. I feel like I've seen you evolve in just what you shared with me, even in like the last

Several years. That's nice. Yeah. So I think less rigid in terms of what healing looks like and how it's defined. And I say I feel like a fraud because there's nothing I hate more than change. And for my personal self. So that's something that I...

desperately need to continue working on. I would say I've gotten better and I think that it's always going to be hard for me. There is just some things that are harder for people in this life and some things that come easier and accepting change is

my least favorite thing in the whole wide world. So I don't feel, it hasn't been hard to change as a doctor in terms of how I view healing. That has been a lovely, actually really nice, beautiful evolution, but yeah,

on the greater topic of change. That's a whole other story. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think it's tricky for a lot of people. Like, sure, maybe some people handle it better. Some people, you know, I really, and I know the people that are like this, they then struggle with other things. But I do envy when I, there are people who love change. Well, you know what I'm thinking now? And this could be wrong, but it's...

It's kind of like what I say about being social. I think it's momentum. It's like if with anything, it's practice. Like there have been times where I've been better at change because I've just been forced and I've been doing it a bunch. It's like anything. If you continue to do it for a while, you are better at it because your threshold is higher. But when you're sitting still for a while, it's harder to get up because you're comfortable still, you know? And it's the same thing with dating for sure. It's the same thing with

socialize like we had a conversation recently where I was like I have no social anxiety I have anxiety about several other things though and the only reason I can say that I'm sure I would be more socially anxious if I hadn't and I have been at many times in my life but when I'm going to things often it just it's like well I did it yesterday and even like the other night I went to something and I felt wildly anxious so it's like it's not but the momentum helps with anything I think

That's definitely true. And I think there is that inertia and practice for sure. But there are some people that just innately enjoy change. Wow. You know, even just like switching up their furniture placement and like just love switching jobs. They love moving. I mean, granted, some of these people... No one loves moving. Some of these people are... Moving is annoying. Well, that's...

What we think. But some people really like it. But also some of these people are also escaping, of course. Yeah. But there are some people that genuinely love change. I mean, I like moving my furniture around. See, that's great. I haven't changed my furniture placement in 100,000 years. I mean, I haven't in a long time either. But yours is like, yours is after Angie. Like, you've got to leave it where it is. Well, I also wouldn't help

I mean that, yeah, yeah, that is a... But it's in a good spot. Yeah. You know? Also that too, like I was like, should I change my bedroom furniture? But like feng shui wise, it is actually, the bed is in a good position. Yeah, once you, don't fix it, don't change it, it's not broken, you know? Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, change is a tricky one. And I think the better you one can be at navigating change. And I mean, that's it's the only constant, as they say. I know. I know. But it is practice and you got to just do it. Yeah. And like you were saying, you're better at it in some areas than others. And that's kind of the other thing I want to say, like my in terms of your career specifically, like to stay on that. Yeah. Yeah.

That's what I kept thinking. I was thinking about you today. I knew we were doing this and I was walking around and I was listening to some things and I was preparing some questions and...

What came to me first that I really wanted to focus on was like that exact question, like thinking about your career and longevity in this industry and all the different things you've seen and how you've had to, you've been forced to change so much and evolve. Like you said, your treatment plans, you know, through technology there in so many ways. And my mom works in HR. Obviously it's a very different industry. She works for a bank.

and she's had that job for 40 years, but she always says this thing. I didn't really understand it when I was a kid, but she would always say, I've had several jobs within the one job that I've had, and I'm assuming probably relate to that in some ways where –

You've had to evolve your work as technology and research changes, how when the culture changes, I think specifically to your work in terms of wellness culture growing and the trends around that, like that creates trends of what, you know, patients are maybe asking about or pushing towards in terms of, you know, like when plant-based became something that people were asking about or a

paleo or, or everything in between, or, you know, currently with Ozempic or I think culture really impacts your, and everyone's work in different ways, but impacts your work and the goals that, that patients come to you with. And, and some of those I think are, are timeless, but I'm curious, like how do you balance the trends in the industry and culture at large and new innovation to,

with the ancient wisdom of acupuncture, Eastern medicine, and your education and experience? Like how do you wrestle with both staying up to date and also knowing that some things are universal? I think the beauty of both...

both systems of medicine, naturopathic and classical Chinese medicine, is that there is this deep foundation that is unwavering despite trends, despite wellness, despite societal lenses. And that is...

Like that's an anchor and that's the beauty of this medicine. We're not just sort of like swept up in the current of, okay, now it's this, now it's this, you know, which even conventional medicine is to some degree. Totally, completely. In some ways good, some ways not. Yeah. So of course there is on the surface some extra studies, you know, extra research, like you said, trends, et cetera, that we keep, you know, we got to –

be aware, but we don't follow those things. We are deeply anchored in, like you said, the ancient wisdom of this medicine. So it isn't something that actually shakes us in any way, shakes me, because if you follow the principles, and that's the whole thing about this medicine is it's

the principles of nature. So it's physics, literally. So that doesn't change regardless of whether someone's on Ozempic or someone's eating paleo or what have you. So it actually isn't scapegoating.

scary or confusing or any of those things. Of course, the outfit is changing sometimes a little bit as we evolve and move into the modern world. I will say the world is, if anything, it's getting harder to practice this medicine because what it asks of our bodies goes so against how the world is evolving in terms of speed. And one thing I say to patients a lot is,

We are reflections of nature and that's how we heal. And I think I've even maybe said this on the pod here, but anytime something moves quickly in nature, it's destructive because it's not meant to move quickly. Even if it's just something as simple as a thunderstorm all the way to a tsunami, nature does not move quickly. Otherwise, it's destructive. And that's how our bodies function. That's part of that physics, that natural order.

So the speed at which our world and some of it is great. Like there, you know, I wouldn't have met you without technology, you know, so I'm not saying all technology is bad. And maybe I'm also biased because we live on, you know, a coast, a coastal city. But that does very much go against everything that I believe in, in terms of how we heal our bodies. So that has become more difficult.

cult that's I actually haven't heard you say that and if you did say it in the in different well you have an insane memory so I must not have said it well that's so good can you give an example in the body of like something that happens quickly that's destructive yeah braces I mean I just think about like you

You know, even if we, and I also see a chiropractor for like adjustments, but even that, like, that's why it doesn't hold, you know, you don't go to one adjustment and the body's like, boom, it's there. You don't like do one Invisalign tray in your body. And when you do 10 Invisalign trays, you now have to wear a retainer for the rest of your life. Right. You know, like, I mean, I had a bunch of

problems happen in my jaw because of braces. I mean, that's a whole, I'm not a biological dentist, but in the oral world, there is a whole like belief system around like moving your teeth and people study Weston Price and the oral health and teeth and jaw and all of that is a whole other bag of worms. But yeah, which I'm not even an expert in, but we do have,

Our alignment with our mouth and jaw definitely needs some work, I think. But that's just like kind of a facetious little example because that's not destructive in any way, but it just goes to show like the body does not like to be moved quickly. Because that's not what I thought. Or weight loss. Yeah, that's where I went. Like gaining weight quickly or losing weight quickly. That's where I went with those. I mean, to be perfectly honest, those patients who –

you know, the GLP ones, the ozempics are an option for, it's still not good for them to lose weight too quickly, you know? So anything, even building muscle, you know, like the opposite end of actually burning fat, like the body doesn't want to do it quickly. Otherwise there are some repercussions. Gradual is always better. Gradual is always better. And it's never going to be a straight line. Yeah.

as much as we want it to be. Yeah. I mean, I won't, I'll just, as you know, I've been having a lot of, I have a lot of trouble and thoughts with

the way that even just since doing this podcast is again and I'm not qualified to even talk about this because obviously I feel very like charged about this issue and I've talked to you about it a lot but I just feel like it I felt this way about chat GPT too which I really love and use a lot and find a lot of value in now but I

But I remember I felt like I woke up one day and I was like, oh my God, did this happen overnight? AI is like, did I miss the news a couple of days? Like how did this happen so quickly? And I don't know how to really do it. And everyone seems to be using it. And then now I use it and it's fine, but it didn't seem gradual to me. And maybe other people were reading like technology journals and knew it was coming longer than I did. But I felt this way about Ozempic where, and you know, the different names you called it where,

couple years ago or a year a year ago truly a year ago it felt like something that a lot of celebrities were doing which was really intense to see and I have a pretty radical perspective that feels more radical now than it was a couple years ago and body positivity was more in vogue that you

you know, questioning, and I've had many people on the show to talk about this, but, and where my, who informed my perspective on this, but questioning why we would want to lose weight rather than, which I, and I'm very susceptible to this myself. Like I, you know, when you saw one of my things, it wasn't my favorite when I had to get bigger pants, you know? And like, I'm a product of diet culture and I'm, I'm, I'm one of the worst when it comes to this. I'm no, I'm not saying that I'm,

I am healed with this by any means, but wouldn't it be great if we lived in a world that made stretchers to fit every size body instead of making people feel like they needed to lose weight? Which we don't live in that world, and I know that. And I know that the world is mean to people in larger bodies, and I know that beauty and standards of beauty have existed, and a standard of beauty to include thinness is...

one that we're definitely in right now and society praises and there's this tool, but it feels like it happened very quickly where it was something that was very expensive and celebrities were doing, which I didn't, you know, which I had feelings about that where, you know, for instance, there were some celebrities that I saw lose weight, which seemed to me from not seeing them often, you

jarring when I saw them again, like, you know, and then to think that, you know, girls who maybe looked up to them now are like, oh, you know, and, but, but other than that, it felt like it was kind of far away. And then it felt like overnight people I know were doing it. Many people, people of people I know are doing it and suddenly changing size. And then I, as you know, cause I just, the targeted ads. Mm-hmm.

I get so many, and probably because of conversations like this, but I'm getting so, so, and I know you can block those and I have, but I just, I feel like I see it everywhere and maybe just because I'm aware of it. But anyway, and I didn't even, I truly didn't even want to talk about this, but it does, it feels to me like the speed to which that picked up this new technology or this, you know, other option that's very related to, it's going to keep that cycle of people wanting things

not the culture and the standards of beauty shifting, but people shifting themselves in this way that, yeah, that I have a lot of specific thoughts about. It feels like that happened very quickly, unlike nature. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, you know, these medications have been around in the obesity medicine sphere for a really long time. I remember hearing about it for many years and nobody was talking about it. But the speed at which it became accessible and then compounded so like anybody could get on it.

And we do tend to take things quite far and there's a time and a place for everything, you know, natural medicine and healing the natural way isn't always going to work. And I always say it doesn't always work because it's asking your body to harness its own chi. And if you don't have enough gas in the tank that you don't have, there's no money in the bank to be able to, you know, actually bring about the healing. Yeah.

And just like surgery and pharmaceuticals isn't the only answer and herbs isn't the only answer. But going back to what I was saying when you asked about longevity, I do think that there is an anchor in the foundations of healing and medicine, but the speed at which that it became accessible to everyone. And sorry, I'm kind of all over the place, but what I was going to say was about how we have a tendency, and I don't know what it's like overseas if it's like this, but we do have a tendency to take things

Yeah.

we need to also be looking at your actual health and your inflammation and your energy levels. And, you know, and some people in a bigger body have great energy and no inflammation. And some people in a smaller body have, you know, crazy high triglycerides and crazy high inflammation. And so I do think we need to look at sort of

these deeper issues and then obviously like psychological, spiritual, mental, but the speed at which it did come about in society and it was extremely rapid.

Well, I think I just was starting to be like, wait, what? I felt that way about OpenAI too, but I really was like, wait, this happened overnight. And I guess, and I've shared this with you in a car ride, but I think the thing that makes me very sad about it is I just think about myself in high school or college. I just, even, I think for people like

like me, which is every, a lot of people are like me, you know, with wanting to, it's so easy for me to just give up and be like, I get, I just want to be thin because it gives me this, like, I know it doesn't heal everything. It doesn't make your life better. I have been, I have thin privilege still. I'm someone in a smaller body, but that itself has fluctuated. And I have a mental illness like about that, you know? And, um,

And I can see it happen, but it's like a brain surgeon having a stroke. I'm sometimes still like, you know, well, I'd rather just do the thing when I feel really good in my clothes because I'm at a size I know I shouldn't be at. I don't want that. It's fucked up. But I think having these tools that are so accessible and available to people...

I don't know. And like you said, I'm glad that it can be useful. I'm glad that when someone is on it and they're working with you and they're able to do it safely, I'm not going to... I wouldn't judge anyone on it and I wouldn't judge any... Who knows? I might take it tomorrow. I'm so anti-judging anyone for anything they do with their bodies or with medicine or with anything. But I just...

It wasn't an option to the majority of the population merely two years ago, three years ago, five years ago. And the amount of... I guess what's really bothering me about it is these...

The ads. Because the ads are very intense and incessant. And if I just think about my younger self getting one of those ads, I would have signed up so fast that I would have, I don't care how much money, like I would have figured it out because I just wanted to be thin. Yes. In high school, you know what I mean? Or like maybe not in high school, but like.

- Even in high school. - In college, and maybe there's an age limit. I don't even know enough about it to be, I'm probably talking out of my ass and maybe need to edit this out. - I mean obviously high school age would need parental consent, but I do think that even high school students, that's when I was,

It's when your body image shit is the worst. And if you're like, you can take this thing that's going to make you thin. Yeah. I'd do it. You know, I'm susceptible to it today and I'm a full grown up. So yeah. And sorry, this is a, you know, hi. You just say the word about this topic. It's such a complex topic. And I, I'm also with you. I'm not, you know, I'm not opposed to it. I have guided some patients with it. It's not, you know, but it's,

But yeah, in my heart of hearts, the way that people are using it to go to be, if I'm going to be completely frank, people are using it to go from thin to skinny or thin to thinner. That bothers me because I don't think that is coming from a place of diet culture, of dysmorphia, of insecurity, of society, of you know what I mean? Right.

that it's and every but at the same time every person has the right to change their body and do whatever they want to their bodies but do I think and I've done fucked up things to do that exact thing so like who am I to judge someone for doing this right right I mean in all you know if a patient who was quite thin wanted to be thinner and asked me to go on it I wouldn't

I wouldn't be the right person for that. I wouldn't be the right provider for them, you know? And hopefully a lot of doctors like you have that same thought about it. But I think these online services where you're never speaking to a doctor and you're just taking a quiz and you're getting a licensed doctor, right?

I do this for like my acne cream that I use. And I don't, I guess I have a dermatologist, you know, but it's someone that like sends me a message and like, I feel totally fine about that for that purpose. But with this, I feel like that's tricky. A little more guidance and support I think is called for. Yeah. Yes. But that's, this has now become a,

It was a big podcast episode. I know. Okay, well, I want to go back to... I have a lot of... Sorry, I shouldn't have even said the word. I knew it was going to go there. It's complicated, as everything is. Yeah, yeah. And again, I don't judge anyone for it, except I judge the ads. Yes. I think... And I probably am targeted with those ads for many, many specific reasons. And hopefully, there's limits in there. I'm sure...

Kids aren't getting those ads. - That's also what's so scary too, it's like, I mean the algorithm. - Yeah. - I mean my whole,

explore pages like oversized pants and dogs. But the way that it, just by what you click on, and sometimes I'll just be liking friends' posts and I just think, what is this doing to my own? What is the robot thinking that I like now? How is this gonna redefine what it shows me? Because every little bit of, everything you click, everything you look at, everything you think, think of like,

It's somehow reading our minds too. It's really weird. Yeah. It's really bizarre. But I do. Yeah. So whatever you're looking at, whatever you're clicking is somehow the robot behind the curtain is like, this is what I'm sending her. Yeah. But that is, that is ultimately what I think is scary. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, completely, you know, well,

Okay, going back to like your evolution as a doctor, and you addressed this earlier, but you have been forced to become a business person. And-

That part of your business has evolved as technology is involved in terms of everything from booking and in terms of, you know, with the software that's available for that and the internet and in terms of marketing with social media. And those are two very, even those two are like the admin of paperwork with and booking and scheduling. That's, that is a full part of a job. And then marketing and, um,

social media as well as being like you've had to do all this and you talked about like you prefer one to the other but you know you've had to morph and I guess I'm kind of doing that like list of big wins like just the fact that you've been able to continue and to evolve and

and will have to. And I know you don't, you know, but that's no small thing. I just looked at my Instagram and saw how few posts I saw. I had done one of those look back, what are those, the reels where you like highlight reels of the year. And I was glad that I did it during Christmas of 2023 because that was another year where I was like,

I didn't do anything this year. And then I looked back at my camera roll and I was like, oh my God, I did this. And I went to this concert and then saw Beyonce. So the highlight reel was actually very healing for me. This year, I just was in no mood and actually it was like,

not very healing so I was like I'm not gonna do it but I because I could see where the highlight reel was in my on my grid I could see how few times I had actually posted on the grid so the marketing part not so good but and this

This is an interesting little twist, but I am not a tech-savvy person, also a little bit of a self-limiting belief. So like booking, I actually still keep it very old school, email, text.

I have since COVID changed my practice so I see less patients. I fully embrace my projector design, more time between patients so I get little breaks. So it's not too hard to do it old school style, but I have sort of stuck, dug my feet in of like, I'm going to keep it the OG way and keep it a little more analog. Like nature. Like nature.

And even with the post, social media has changed so much that I was thinking about this the other day. Like, there used to just be the grid.

You know? Right. And then we can go, like, there used to just be the grid and video on the grid as an option. And then there used to just be the grid and stories. And now there's the grid and stories and reels and live. And there's a whole other app called TikTok that, like, more, that is better. You know? Like, there's all these, like... So I think not posting as much on your grid as you did other years is not...

Not that I'm obviously any social media savant, but like it's not indicative of like, you know this. Sometimes you post on the grid and no one sees it. But like you post a story or a reel that like a bunch of people saw. Like I think you did good stuff there this year is my point. Remember when there was no stories? Yeah. And my point is like now people see stories a lot more than they see the posts. Yeah, that's true. So it's like...

I just think that's a bad marker to look at how much you did on social media this year. Thank you. You can't visually see all the stories you did. Yeah, that's true. Because a better version of you to do the big wins of your social media this year would be to go to your archive of stories. Because you did a lot of stories this year. That's true. I do love stories. And that takes time, too. It's like...

Well, it's kind of, I never did Snapchat, but it's kind of like that. That's, it's like fun and free and fast and loose. Yeah. I mean, I don't feel that way about it anymore. I did at one point, but I feel the same pressure about stories, if not more, like it doesn't feel fast because more, you know what I mean? It's like people see it. Yeah. But like, yeah.

I'll get out. I'm really like, it's late. It's now 10 o'clock at night. I know you have to go, but it's, I'm going to land the plane, but I'm either going to have to edit myself out of this completely, but I've become so loose and I'm in, I'm about to get my period. I like it. And I am, I have zero fuse and I'm just telling,

like it is today. Keep it all in. I like it. Oh, God. All right. We'll do these as like rapid fire because I have it. And I will do some of the questions from... There were a few that I didn't... Now that I'm telling it like it is, a few from you people. And I'll say this that I didn't like. All right? So I'm not going to ask the doctor these questions because I didn't like them. I'm not going to say why, but...

just Ozempic related. They weren't Ozempic related specifically, but you know, in that area in a way that I didn't like. Uh huh. I'm sorry. Yeah.

That's definitely... Okay. These are my questions that we're still seeing. Awesome. I wanted to talk about just one last one with your career. And this, again, I know you asked me kindly, like, putting you on the spot, but... And it's okay if nothing comes to mind, but... And I'm sure you have many, but do you have a success story looking back with all the care that you've provided people and the bedside manner that you've given people over the years? I mean...

something that you're proud of or a success story that you can share and before you do, while you're thinking, I want to share a couple like...

And I think it's okay for me to say this, but we've been out to dinner before and we've run into a patient of yours. We've been at parties and I've seen so many clients and patients all over. I've been with you and you've gotten recognized as their doctor and the hugs that you've gotten from people. I've seen it so often and it's so...

so moving. That's so sweet. It's really, really incredible. And I'm so proud and like proud to be your friend. And like, just, I see people's reactions to you. Can I just come on the pod every week? Because all I can think about is like, why is her eczema not better? Like, how can I help her more? You know, but so like nature. Yeah.

I, this is a recent thing and I was having a moment of feeling a little down recently, just like a couple of days ago.

And someone, a patient of mine who I haven't seen since before COVID, he moved away either during or before COVID. Before COVID, he moved away. And he wrote me the longest, sweetest little note on my... Speaking of Instagram, on a reel that I posted, I didn't even know that he even followed me on Instagram. I knew that he was on Facebook and I'm not on Facebook, so I haven't connected with him. And he just wrote me the sweetest note about...

how I really helped him during a hard time and he was so in a depressive state and that he thinks about me. And like, you know, you don't know what people don't tell you. Like you don't always know that people you've made an impact or that you remember. And my job is hard because people are coming to you, um,

needing guidance on bringing more balance into their life. And when they're in balance, they don't need to come see you, you know?

So it's dealing with a lot of energy where people are struggling or suffering or in pain or etc. So yeah, I would say that that comment really, and I said to him, this came at a moment when I really needed to hear this and just thank you so much. And you forget that you actually are helping people and impacting people. I mean, I have

beautiful relationships with a lot of my patients, most of my patients, all of my patients. What am I saying? Even the challenging ones, like, you know, they're like family to me. They're like my kids. So, yeah, I know that

that sometimes people are being helped, but you don't always, always know, or sometimes their symptoms aren't better right away. So ego gets involved. And that's another thing that I'm trying to work on in my practice and in my spiritual practice as well, is that this is, has nothing to do with me. This is energy that is moving through me to help these patients. And it's my job just to completely surrender and be that vessel, you know? So when I'm, I'm not completely,

doing a thing. So yeah, anyways, um, I mean, that's all true. And, but that felt weird. I gotta say like that felt weird to be like, Oh, someone wrote me this really nice comment about how I impacted their life. Like, I don't like

thinking about that or saying that to be honest. Well, I tricked you to say it. But that is true. That happened. I mean, like... And that happens to you all the time. And I'm the one that brought it up because it's true. And I think it's, you know, you would say this to me too. And that's a good friend. And you're very humble. But it's really true that you're very good at what you do. And you help so many people. And sure...

Letting go of that control and taking the ego out of it is all true, and I think that's a good practice. But there's also something to bedside manner that I've having to meeting a lot of care recently and having certain levels of lack thereof and a lot of excellent bedside manner with people. I just, I mean, whatever. There's been studies done on this. But you really do find the person...

that is meant for you because my bedside manner is not for everyone. And some practitioners out there who are not for me, I'm like, wow. And I think, oh, but other patients like love that, you know? So it is interesting. There's like,

like little puzzle pieces that yeah we find we find our people yeah with finding a therapist or a healer of any kind yeah absolutely and I wanted to say too like you know what I'm about to say you're not gonna like but going back to the ozempic thing but not really but just like I don't mind talking about it no no and we're not but like just sort of related to that

I think you have to stand your ground on what you were saying about the wisdom of these practices and your conviction of something. And I wanted to tell you this separately from recording anyway, but I had an interesting conversation with someone at a party yesterday.

Alright, we're leaving it there. I will finish that story next week. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you to Dr. Patty. More information on her to follow her everywhere and work with her is in the show notes. And we talk more about her work next week. Obviously this went off the rails and we went in several different directions that I wasn't expecting, but...

There's more next week from her. And again, I'm just so grateful that you listened. Happy New Year. This podcast is edited by Jeremiah. Talk to you next week. Bye-bye.