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Sen. John Thune, once a political enemy of Trump, emerges as a key ally

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Claudia Grisales: 在2020年大选后,图恩和特朗普关系紧张,因为图恩质疑选举结果。但后来,图恩表示支持特朗普,双方关系开始缓和。图恩与特朗普的合作最终促成了参议院通过特朗普的主要国内议程法案,这显示了两人关系的重大转变。 John Thune: 我认为特朗普在选举失利后的行为是不可原谅的,这导致了对选举的不信任。但现在,我们有共同的目标和合作的理由,我们的合作进展顺利。与总统保持一致对事情的成功至关重要,我们都在朝着同一个方向前进。 Lisa Hager: 图恩的中西部风格具有消除敌意的作用,即使是对他最糟糕的敌人也能产生影响。他务实的政策制定方法有助于团结双方。他的开放态度有助于改善与特朗普的关系。 Mike Rounds: 特朗普希望与愿意协调并有共同长期利益的人合作,而图恩正是这样的人。我们通过共同的胜利建立了合作关系,这对总统来说至关重要。图恩帮助特朗普通过有争议的提名人选,为总统的议程扫清了道路。 John Barrasso: 我们密切合作,从党鞭的角度来看,我们都是党鞭团队的关键成员,并且都对成员非常有说服力。特朗普和图恩的合作促成了该法案的投票通过。 Donald Trump: 约翰·图恩做得非常出色,他为确保我的税收和支出法案在参议院获得通过发挥了关键作用。他的工作非常出色,我对此表示赞赏。

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This week, Senate Majority Leader John Thune played a critical role in making sure that President Trump's massive tax and spending bill made it out of the Senate, setting up a final vote in the House. Thune has done an incredible job. John Thune has done a fantastic job.

That's Trump praising Thune at an event at the White House in May, but their close relationship is a dramatic reversal from their days as virtual political enemies. NPR congressional correspondent Claudia Grisales has more. In the aftermath of the 2020 election, John Thune and Donald Trump were on the outs. You know, I've never second-guessed the outcome of the 2020 election.

After the January 6th attack on the Capitol, Thune said Trump's actions after his re-election loss were, quote, inexcusable. Here's Thune during that same 2021 PBS News interview. And it's created a lot of distrust of our elections.

Trump hit back at Thune, saying he was weak and should be primaried. However, by the time Trump won the GOP presidential primary earlier last year, Thune said it was time to get behind him. In March of 2024, Thune and his wife Kim made a fateful visit to Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida to put an end to the strife.

It's formed the building blocks for where the relationship stands today. His ability to be open has been helpful in getting on better terms with President Trump.

That's Lisa Hager, South Dakota State University politics professor. She says Thune's Midwestern style is disarming even to his worst enemies, and his pragmatic approach to policymaking helped unite the two. He's very methodical. He's very good at looking at the lay of the land. More than 20 years ago, Thune broke onto the national political scene with a Senate upset win over top Democrat Tom Daschle.

He's pivoted on multiple occasions to match the current political landscape. South Dakota Republican Mike Rounds says Thune's appeal to Trump is clear. For the president's part, he wanted to work with somebody who was willing to coordinate with him.

and that had the same interests, long-term interests for the country in mind. That includes policy to cut taxes and grow the economy. Rounds says they got here by building wins together, and that's key for the president. That started this year with a wave of controversial nominees who might have had a rough time winning confirmation, but Thune cleared the way. The vast majority of all of his nominees have been accepted, and those that were not accepted...

the president was able to withdraw them himself. Many say that led to delivering the ultimate win this week, Senate passage of that mega bill carrying the bulk of Trump's domestic agenda. During that Senate debate, Thune and Trump talked regularly by phone, text, and in person. Thune visited with the president of the White House sometimes weekly or more.

I've been with them behind closed doors and they're very, very close. That's Senate Majority Whip John Barrasso. He says Trump and Thune together landed votes for the mega bill. Here's Barrasso. We work closely together and of course from the standpoint of the whip, they're both key members of the whip team and they're both very persuasive with the members.

That also meant Trump frequently met one-on-one with Senate holdouts who eventually folded under the immense pressure. It was the vote of one final senator, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, that Thune secured in the GOP's favor. For Thune's part, he tells NPR that being on the same page with the president makes all the difference. We're both headed to the same destination right now. I've said this before, there's an alignment of incentives and incentives.

We've got reasons to work together, and it's working well. Thune's relationship with the president will get tested again and again, and the results will dictate how much a deeply divided party will get done together. Claudia Grisales, NPR News, the Capitol.