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Trump's reversal of Army base names shines light on military's segregationist past

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Steve Walsh: 特朗普政府通过寻找同姓人士恢复了以南方邦联将军命名的九个基地的名称,此举被批评为有损于两党为翻过军队种族隔离历史一页的努力。这一举动在法律上或许可行,但在道德和历史意义上备受争议。恢复这些名称被视为对过去种族歧视的延续,而非对多元化和包容性的尊重。这一事件突显了美国社会在如何纪念历史人物和处理种族问题上的深刻分歧。 Arthur Gregg: 我认为军队在整合非裔美国人和其他少数族裔方面的成功,对更广泛的美国社会产生了强大的影响。作为一个曾经在种族隔离制度下遭受歧视的军人,我亲身经历了军队内部的变革。现在,在一个主要的陆军设施上使用我的名字,这给我带来了额外的责任,但我带着极大的自豪感承担着这份责任。我希望我的经历能够激励更多的人为实现平等和正义而努力。 Pete Hegseth: 作为国防部官员,我向国会解释说,这件事与基地的新名称无关,我们不是要抹去历史。我们的目的是尊重历史,而不是试图通过更改名称来掩盖过去。我们认为,保留这些名称是对历史的尊重,也是对那些为国家做出贡献的人的认可。我们不希望通过这种方式来分裂国家,而是希望能够团结一致,共同前进。 Ty Cedulli: 作为重命名委员会的联合主席,我认为我们在2023年埋葬了南方邦联的名字,而特朗普政府却挖掘出了那些叛徒,即使他们是僵尸。我认为这打破了法律的精神,但我不太确定它是否违反了法律。我们努力寻找能够代表美国价值观的新名称,但政府的这一举动无疑是对我们工作的否定。这不仅是对历史的歪曲,也是对那些为国家做出贡献的非裔美国人的不尊重。

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The Trump administration restored the names of nine bases named after Confederate generals by finding other people with the same last names. While the move is probably legal, advocates say it dishonors a bipartisan attempt to turn the page on the military's segregationist past. Steve Walsh with WHRO in Norfolk, Virginia, has the story. Lieutenant General Arthur Gregg was the first African American to reach the rank of lieutenant general in the Army.

In 2023, the 94-year-old received the rare honor of having a base named after him while he was still alive.

I spoke with him shortly after the naming ceremony. I think the success in the Army's integration of African Americans and other minorities has been a powerful influence in the wider society of America. When Gregg was stationed at Fort Robert E. Lee in 1950, he was denied access to the base's segregated officers club.

In 2023, the club was renamed for him and Lieutenant Colonel Charity Adams. She headed the only unit of African-American women to deploy overseas during World War II. I recognize that having my name

on a major Army installation imposes additional responsibility on me, but I carry that responsibility with a great deal of pride. Greg died in August 2024. Less than a year later, the Trump administration stripped his name from the base and did the same thing at eight other bases, finding new names which mimicked those of Confederate generals that Congress had ordered be changed.

Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth explained the rationale to Congress in a heated exchange with Senator Tim Kaine, who questioned why they were removing the names of three bases in Virginia. Senator, as you know, this was never about the names of the bases they were renamed to. So you don't challenge all bases to their original names because we're not about erasing history? Not erasing history.

In fact, his office came up with a way to sidestep a law that forbids the Pentagon from naming anything to honor the Confederacy.

Retired Army Brigadier General Ty Cedulli co-chaired the renaming commission, which chose the new names from 33,000 suggestions. We had buried the Confederate names in 2023, and he has unearthed those traitors, I think, even if they're zombies. The new letterhead for Greg Adams lists the home of Army logistics simply as Fort Lee.

The new namesake is supposed to be Fitzley, a black soldier awarded the Medal of Honor after the Spanish-American War. Adding to the confusion, Fitzley was also the name of a Confederate cavalry officer who was the nephew of Robert E. Lee. What the law says is you can't commemorate Confederates. I think it breaks the spirit of the law, but I'm not sure that it breaks the law.

They did not send us because they thought we could do it. We are here because they are sure we cannot. Lieutenant Colonel Adams is among the most prominent names being removed. After being largely unheralded after World War II, her unit, the 6888, is the subject of a recent Hollywood movie starring Kerry Washington. The entire 6888 are great American patriots.

loyal to a nation that for far too long failed to return that favor. In April, Speaker of the House Mike Johnson presided over the ceremony to award the unit the Congressional Gold Medal. So far, the Army has not announced a dedication ceremony for the newly redesignated Fort Lee. For NPR News, I'm Steve Walsh.