344: World's Smartest Man Claims To Have Proven God Exists...Yet His Other Views Are Disturbing
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Hey, what is up everybody and welcome back to the Malhar podcast. As you can probably tell, my lovely wife and co-host is sadly not here today. She came down with something last night and it is pretty gnarly. So I told her, I was like, you know what, let me just take one for the team and I got this covered. So she is home resting. She's doing well. She'll be back next week.

But today, you're left with me, and I've got a very... There's not even words to describe this guy, other than maybe dumb. Or genius, depending on who you are. Because we're going to be discussing potentially the world's smartest man, according to him, really. Because Christopher Langen is his name. Maybe you've come across him on YouTube. I'm trying to remember how I even came across him in the first place. I think it was...

He was interviewed on some YouTube channel that I follow that interviews a lot of very interesting guests specifically around sort of ufology and metaphysics and things like that. And he was on there like, who the fuck is this guy? Claiming that he's out to prove the existence of God and basically what reality is and

Amongst a bunch of other ideas that he has. I mean, this guy is truly wild. And I think at the very least, you will find this episode very entertaining. What do you think, guys? Which Ian and Janelle are here. I'm not completely by myself. Sorry, guys. What's up? It's okay. Yeah, it's going to be entertaining. And honestly, it probably is going to annoy you because this guy, to be honest, listening to him is like, dude, he says a whole lot without saying a whole lot.

Yeah, if you hear him just by chance, you might be like, oh, it kind of sounds smart. But the more you dig into what he's saying, A, none of it makes sense. But then when you actually hear other people who kind of understand physics and mathematics a little bit more, they're like, this guy, no idea what the fuck's going on here. So yeah, let's just get into it because I think there's a lot to be said about this guy. And things definitely take a very sharp turn.

down the alt-right path. Yeah, it's crazy how a lot of these IQ guys just at a certain point, they decide, you know what? I'm going to become a racist. Which, you know, when I listen to him, I'm like, man, that is so disappointing to hear. Because I feel like if he didn't go that path and he was a little bit more humble as well,

he might be an actually interesting character that could contribute to society. Because he says a lot of things too that are very contradictory to some of his other stances. He talks about

this oneness that all human beings share and that we're all part of this universal consciousness. And a lot of ideas that I tend to subscribe to when it comes to just explaining what our existence is, what is reality, and is this a simulation? And all these different philosophical ideas, I'm like, oh, this is all very interesting. But then he has to go and say a bunch of really fucked up shit

And you're like, ah, I just lost all the respect for you, dude. And so therefore, I'm going to be dunking on you for the entirety of this episode because it's just completely ridiculous and uncalled for and straight up offensive, as you'll see. But who is this man, Christopher Langan? Well, he's a self-proclaimed genius. So throughout history, we all know humankind has been blessed with minds of some real geniuses. There's tons of genius people. We've talked about a number of them on the show.

And, you know, for example, Isaac Newton developed the laws of motion without any modern ways to measure it. Pretty impressive. It still blows my mind how he even figured this out in the first place. You got Leonardo da Vinci created models of what would become contemporary means of flight. Einstein, we all know what Einstein did. Very smart guy, right? You know, was able to quantify gravity and relativity through the use of mathematics. I mean, amongst a million other things that he did, just a really, really smart guy.

Christopher Langan, whole other tier though, as you'll see here in a moment. Marie Curie, who changed her understanding of radioactivity and died for it. Sir John Harrington invented the modern flushing toilet in 1529. Although this was misattributed, right Ian? Yep. In researching this, there were numerous articles that said that it was invented by Thomas Crapper, which is a very... That's so awesome. Mr. Thomas Crapper. Is that a real person? Yeah, he was a real guy. He didn't do anything. Okay.

but because his last name was crapper, he got,

The kudos for the flushing toilet. For the flushing toilet, yes. Wow, wow. Mr. Crapper. That's kind of a cool-ass name, honestly. I would love to... Ian Crapper. Ian Shit. Ian Shitter. Well, dozens of geniuses have fundamentally changed our understanding of the world around us, and a select few have even developed working theories of everything that use mathematics and physics and science...

to describe the nature of our reality, our consciousness, and our universe. Einstein's theory of relativity is one of the most well-known, along with Stephen Hawking's imaginary time. But the only question is, how high were their IQs? They're pretty high. They're pretty high. You know, Albert Einstein, IQ of 160. Stephen Hawking, IQ of 160. Christopher Langen, higher than that.

as we'll see. But IQ testing is a big part of really how Christopher Langen is able to even claim that he's a genius. It's really the only reason he's able to claim this, which let's talk about IQ testing for a moment, because I think it's not something that is really used at all these days. You have to seek out an IQ test. You're not ever offered one or given one at any institution that I'm aware of.

But IQ testing rose to prominence in the 80s and 90s to measure intellectual capability through a series of logic puzzles to determine just how smart a person is. It's important to note that while none of the individuals we just listed ever took an IQ test during their lifetimes, all of them have been determined by those obsessed with IQ. So keep that in mind. So 160 for Einstein and Hawking. This is based on other people's analysis of their abilities and their knowledge.

But what if there was a guy among us who has the highest measured IQ in the world and a working metaphysical theory of everything? He can explain everything. Everything. Everything. It's all order.

And he's got a big head. He's very proud of his cranial circumference. He claims he has a he makes this whole argument of the bigger the head, the larger the brain. And the larger the brain equals more intelligence, which I think is debated. But what if this guy who knows everything wasn't a respected academic?

but a former bouncer and current horse farmer in Missouri. Would you believe me? What if he believed in God and his own form of science in equal measure and a few other more unsavory theories about the earth? Well, enter Christopher Michael Langan, who at the age of 73 still claims to be the smartest man in the world with a reported IQ of between 195 and

and 210. Chris beats the estimated IQs of Beethoven, Da Vinci, and Dakar by a country mile. So before I go any further, I feel like you need to hear a little bit from the man himself because it'll just help everything be that much more entertaining, especially when we get into his life story, which definitely has a lot of ups and downs. So here's a little snippet of Chris talking about his IQ.

My IQ would be somewhere between 190 and 210. 210 seems very, very, very high. It does seem that way, doesn't it? Albert Einstein was estimated at between 180 and 190. Charles Darwin was way down there in the toilet at 135. Trash! Are you a genius?

Well, you're kind of putting me on the spot here, aren't you? Yeah. I mean, yeah, you're forcing me to either say no, in which case, you know, it's all hype, or you're forcing me to say yes. I'll say probably yes, I am a genius by most of the criteria. The definitive criteria of genius, I think you'd have to consider me a genius, yeah. You'd have to consider me a genius. He could have just said yes. He could have saved us the 30 seconds of babbling, trying to circumvent the question.

That's the thing. He does a lot of talking. He just talks at you and he does it in this emotionless sort of calm. He's very calm through most of his interviews. And I think it's on purpose. I think he doesn't want to have an emotional response, even though he's clearly annoyed. He's being asked this. He tries to answer it and then also like point out, oh, well, you're trying to do this or that. We just we just we love it. We love it.

So he spent 30 years, which he dedicated most of that time to what he calls the Cognitive Theoretic Model of the Universe, or CTMU as he calls it, which is the only theory of everything that goes past physical science to explain the nature of existence itself, which I got no issue with that. If you want to theorize about the nature of existence, go for it. But if you're going to go further than that...

You should probably think about how you're going to do that.

So there's numerous interviews with Chris over the years, including two chapters dedicated to him in the book Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell, who we'll talk about more later on. But his theories have always come under fire for being less than scientific in his personal views, have aligned him with the far right and fringe conspiracies about the new world order, of course. So who is Christopher Langen? Is he just a misunderstood genius just really trying to help the world? Or is he a conspiracy crackpot?

Or just a good old-fashioned racist. I mean, by the end of it, there's only one solution. I'll just let you know right now. Is it a combo of all three? Maybe a combo of two. Maybe a combo of two. Yeah, the latter. In order to understand the man, we got to go all the way back to the beginning because his life story is very interesting, especially since it all comes from him.

So Chris was born on March 25th, 1952 in San Francisco, and he was raised by his mother, Mary Langan Hanson. Mary was the daughter of a wealthy shipping executive who was cut off from her family at the young age for having a, quote, spirited lifestyle. She was known for hanging out at the famous City Lights bookstore and was friends with members of the Beat Poets. Chris never knew his biological father.

Mary would tell him that his dad had died of a heart attack before he was born, but Chris doesn't believe this story is the truth. It is also rumored that he skipped town before Chris was born and would later die in Mexico. But Chris's mother would marry three more times and had a son with each of them. The second husband was murdered, the third killed himself, and the fourth, Jack Langan, would be Chris's stepfather. Chris described Jack as a, quote, failed journalist and a heavy drinker who used a bullwhip

to discipline Chris and his siblings. That is a very, very intense punishment. A bullwhip? Yeah, pretty vicious. Pretty vicious. Yeah, that's... If that really happened, that is...

Horrible. Very evil. With Jack at the helm of the family, they moved around quite a bit. After leaving San Francisco, they spent some time living in a teepee on a reservation and later in Virginia City, Nevada, before finally settling in Bozeman, Montana, where Chris spent most of his childhood. And almost all of Chris's stories about his early life come from the man himself, as I mentioned, and as you'll notice later, he has a very active imagination. I mean, he's so smart,

You would expect a genius to have a very active imagination, right? So as we go forward, take all the information we want to tell you with a very healthy grain of salt because who really fucking knows what's true and what's not. But Chris said that the family lived in, quote, abject poverty.

and that Jack would often lock the kitchen cabinets so the boys couldn't access the food within, which is very sad. And he said that Jack, quote, figured the best way to raise three boys would be to set up his own military platoon. Very intense. Living with him was like 10 years of boot camp, according to Chris, and only at boot camp you don't get the shit beaten out of you every day with a garrison belt. At six in the morning, Jack would play the bugle and line up Chris and his brothers to stand at attention. He would then walk up to each of them and just punch them.

Well, he would feign a punch. Oh, feign a punch, right. But if they flinched, then he'd punch them. Great parenting. Definitely a great way to get your boys to fall in line here. Again, according to Chris, while his stepfather treated him roughly, he started showing early signs of his intelligence from a very, very young age. He said he started talking at six months, which is impossible. He talks about how he saw red shoes with a buckle and he was like, buckle.

No. I recently had a six-month-old, and there is no way a six-month-old is speaking anything. They're making noises, maybe. But I'm pretty sure, I looked into this a little bit yesterday, that from a medical perspective, the mouse not even formed to the point that it could actually enunciate words at that. So...

There you go. Speaking at six months old and he could read by age three, which to me is not entirely out of the realm of possibility. I think it is possible.

my daughter's able to memorize pages of, of books based on just hearing us read them over and over again. Like it's more of a comprehension thing as opposed, she's not like reading it word for word or following the words, but she can remember what the book's about and pretty much line by line kind of give you her version of it. So,

Could he read by three? Maybe. At age five, he asked his grandfather about the existence of God. And apparently at five, he was very disappointed with the answers. Can you imagine? So fun. Like, Grandpa, that's not good enough for me. You don't know shit, Grandpa. Shut up, Grandpa.

Man, I thought Grandpa was so smart. He doesn't know anything. He also skipped kindergarten through second grade and started properly going to school in third grade. Chris said, quote, it was simply recognized that I was some kind of kid genius. My schoolmate saw me as the teacher's pet, this little freak.

Between the bullying at school and abuse from his stepfather, Chris decided he needed to get strong, get swole, baby. By the time he was 12, Chris had started lifting weights. Chris said, quote, when you're the littlest and the smartest and you're wearing rags and you come to school with a fat lip and all these marks on you, you're treated like scum by the rest of the kids. I developed my strength, worked on my hand speed, and learned how to beat up kids that were twice my size. So now he's a Kung Fu master. He's a genius. He's a Kung Fu master. I bet he's a good cook, too.

Well, I mean, if you're reading by age three, you should be able to buy third grade. I mean, he's reading very, he could read whatever he wants. Just go check out some books at the library on Kung Fu and he could teach himself anything. Very impressive. Very impressive. Do you want to get your financial IQ score up? Well, you don't need to take an IQ test like our pal here today, but let me tell you one way to get your money to rocket to the top is by using the rocket money app rocket

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Chris also said that in high school, he was mainly doing independent study as, quote, they didn't know what to teach me. Can you imagine? The teacher's like, God, you're just so smart. I don't know what to teach you. Well, it's like the whole time I'm hearing these things, I'm like, I went to school with a lot of very, very intelligent people, kids that were way more intelligent than I was.

And they did not fucking act like this at all. Like these kid prodigies, they exist, but they are so far and few between. And again, a different time when he grew up, different locations. I don't want to compare his upbringing to anybody else's because again, according to him, he grew up very impoverished, abusive relationship with his stepfather. And so

That makes things really hard. But had he been in a different environment with different parents, maybe he'd been different altogether. I mean, his whole entire life could be different. But it's hard not to laugh at some of the things that he says. Well, yeah, because it's very, you know, Tom Sawyer, Huck Finn style. Like, oh, I got them to paint the fences for me. You know, it's just it's so ridiculous. It's just ridiculous. Well, he's he's.

I mean, we all knew smart kids were any of them like, you don't know what to teach me. I'll be in the library reading all the books. No, dude. But maybe maybe his school was just didn't have the resources. Maybe they just didn't have he ran out of curriculum for him. And so they're like, all right, go to the library, do self-study. But apparently, you know, at the school where he was doing self-study in the library, they still had books on advanced math and physics. Curious. That's curious. It's very curious.

How advanced are we talking? Are these just like textbooks or are these he's reading, you know, Einstein's literature? Right. Because he said, yeah, he said he was studying advanced math, physics, philosophy, Latin and Greek, which that's pretty damn Latin and Greek. One of those by themselves is hard enough. But no, Chris was doing both.

Chris also said that while he was spending all day in study hall, parents began taking their kids out of study hall because, quote, they thought I was going to beat them up. So who became the bully then? It's just what do you believe? I mean, it's it's just it's hard to understand the version of events that he's given us, but.

While Chris intimidated the children at school, his stepfather was still finding any excuse to hurt him while at home. One morning, when Chris was 14, he awoke to a flash of white light and pain across his eyes. Jack had come home after drinking all night, wrapped the belt around his hand, and just punched Chris in the eye. According to Chris, he went apeshit. Chris flew at Jack, knocked him down across the room, punched him against the wall, and threw him out the door. He continued to beat the now elderly man in their front yard and told him to never return. Damn.

While Jack decided that was probably the best case scenario for him, he never came back. But Chris was looking at how to continue his education in college. According to him, Chris had received a perfect score on the SAT, despite having time to take a nap during the test. Is this believable at all? No, man. No, no. Dude, what? It's just, it's funny. It's hilarious to me.

Sounds like you just fucking filled in a bunch of bubbles and they were like, ah, this is stupid. This is, fuck you. Well, because he talks about later on how standardized tests are, you know, basically a bunch of bullshit. So maybe he was already thinking that then and he just like filled in. He's like, ah, it doesn't matter. I'll just tell people I got a perfect score. Then it's all good. Because here's the thing with Chris, as far as I know, and you can back me up on this.

Is there any proof or evidence of any of these claims? No. Also, approximately 0.07% of students get a perfect SAT score. That's roughly 7 out of every 10,000 students. 0.07%. He was napping. How about add a nap to it? Yeah, that's right. That's 0.00, just 0. 0%. Doesn't happen. Mm-hmm.

Apparently he was offered two full ride scholarships, one to Reed College in Oregon and the other to the University of Chicago. And Chris decided on Reed, which he would later say was, quote, a big mistake as he wasn't used to a more city like environment because a country boy can't survive in the city, man.

I can attest there were some country boys who went to my college. And, like, for real, they were quite overwhelmed by just, like, going from, you know, living on a farm to then immediately living in New York. Now, I know that doesn't go for everybody, but...

I think there is something to be said about living in a rural community for most of your life and then jumping into a larger city. What city is Reed in, though? Oregon? I believe it's just, it's not even that big of a city. Let me check. It says, well, Reed College is... Because I could understand New York City, but even if you grew up in the country and go to school and... It's in Portland. Oh, yeah. All right, man. Baby stuff. Yeah, this is nothing. Portland versus NYC.

Big difference. Again, when you're living out in the sticks like he was, you know, it's a joke. No, you know, he also claims he didn't have like, I might be confusing him with someone else. Didn't he say he didn't have like electricity? No, you're thinking of Mr. Nygaard.

oh yeah the shows are blending together oh yes that was night guard they got also a liar about his upbringing yes and not a fucking goat yeah no no my bad my bad a literal evil piece of shit anyways so he was like big mistake i'm not used to this you know i'm used to just i think what happens is

you know, some country place can be a little lawless, you know, be a little things that you can get by with in the country is very different in a city. And that's saying somebody grew up in the country as well and went to school in the city. Very different. But he claimed he excelled in his first semester. He earned all A's, of course. His mother had forgotten to send in financial paperwork. And so his scholarship just just was suspended, which if you're so smart, you'd think you'd be on top of that. But apparently not.

So he dropped out at the end of his second semester and he earned all Fs. Chris took some time off from school and returned to Bozeman, Montana and worked as a Forest Service firefighter for 18 months before he decided to return to school, this time enrolling at Montana State University in Bozeman. However, Chris continued to face bad luck while at school. His car broke down during the winter semester and he had to walk 15 miles in the Montana winter to get to class. Shut the fuck up, dude.

15 miles. Uphill both ways. That's right. Six feet of snow. Yeah. Was he walking on the highway? Right. It's just nonsensical. So you walked 30 miles a day.

Okay. And you got to your class on time. Yeah. The time you leave, bro. Literally. This is fucking Montana, too. But at this point, Chris was getting frustrated with his dumb professors because they don't know shit. He said, there I was paying my own money, taking class from people who are obviously my intellectual inferiors. I could literally teach these people more than they could teach me. And on top of that, they have no understanding.

I would love to talk to one of his old professors. I don't think he had one. I don't think he had one. Because it's just so unbelievable. But it gets even better. They don't want to help me out in the least. To this day, I have no respect for academics. I call them academies. Hell yeah, dude. Man, what an insult to professors. I'm sure they're so offended. Academies. Well...

School was not for Chris, man. So he's like, I'll just do what I'm good at. Which, to be fair, many very intelligent people are not good at school. Yeah, true. You know, school doesn't really measure your intelligence. It more so measures your ability to, like, memorize and take tests or, I guess, measure like one thing.

piece of intelligence, I guess you could say. I don't know. Sounds like Chris over there. No, but I think you're right. No, you're right. I'm just joshing you over here. I'm just joshing you. No, but you know what I mean. Yeah, no, it's true. It's like, yeah, there's some people who are really good at school and also happen to be really smart. And then there's some people who are really smart and are fucking terrible at school. And it's not really a measure of your intelligence. Anyway, so...

No, I know. It's a measure of your obedience. Yeah, a lot of times. A lot of times. I know, like one of my best friends in the world, I think he's like a very, very smart guy. He went to like a prestigious university in D.C. and he dropped out after his first semester just because he like, he couldn't do it. He just hated it. And I think, you know, to give Chris some grace here, if he did go to college in the first place,

I don't see that as too nonsensical. No, I don't either. And I think also just based on his other schooling history, he was not prepared for that change. Right. I mean, it's a pretty major change if you go to like a podunk country school and you're the smartest person in the building and then you show up to university and it's like, oh, OK, yeah.

The gap isn't quite as big despite what he's saying. And I think, and just the, it's rigorous and most universities are, you got to be on top. It's time management skills too. It's like, you got to be able to manage your time. You got to be able to like juggle classes and, and show up for stuff. And there's like a lot of different components to it that it, and honestly, most high schools don't do a great job of preparing you for it, but at least,

In some ways, it does with the way that the classes are structured, off periods, all this different stuff. And and, you know, so I think some of it could have been just he had no experience or had no idea what to expect. He got there. He wasn't able to kind of fit into the college lifestyle and then use the excuse of, well, I could teach everybody here.

These courses better than they can. This is a waste of time. So I'm out. But doesn't mean he's a dummy per se. That at least. Yes. So you know. He's a big swole dude. I mean he's lifting weights since 12. Doesn't stop.

protein every morning. So he's at least got the muscles going, you know? I think there was one interview with him where they described him as like Chris and his 35 inch chest. He's measuring his bust. Oh, he's busting. He's definitely doing that. I think he was like kind of a like a weightlifter, like a

Kind of like took it a little bit competitively a little bit. Well, yes. And he was a personal trainer as well. That's what he was doing in New York. So he definitely he took his fitness very, very seriously. So he's also good on the physical level, not just the mental level. He's now got this physical superiority to everybody. He's got a big chest and a big head. Yes. And a little body.

We won't go there. How do you know that? I don't know. I don't know. Chris Langan dropped the size. But anyways, Chris went on to work a string of labor intensive jobs throughout the years. He worked as a construction worker, cowboy, forest ranger and farmhand before he eventually settled in Long Island as a bouncer and a bartender in New York City. So he ended up making his way about. He got tired of the country life and he's like, this is boring. Tired of beating up cowboys and throwing cows around. Let's

Let's go make drinks. And also, I'm sure he's a little lonely, right? He wants to meet people, women, you know, he's kind of in the prime, you know, there's a lot, probably a lot more women to choose from in New York City than out there in Bozeman, you know.

So he headed off to the big city. Chris's life in the city is frequently talked about. He lived in a one-room cabin that overlooked a field of heavy machinery and parked his Harley in the kitchen. He would have a Harley. For sure. He's that kind of guy. Which, no hate on Harleys. I hate how loud they are, but they are cool.

He survived off $6,000 a year, apparently, working as a personal trainer during the day and developed a double-life strategy. Chris said, quote, On one side, you're a regular guy. You go to work, you do your job, you exchange pleasantries. On the other side, you come home, and you begin doing equations in your head.

You kind of retreat into your own world and you make it work the best you can. That's a rough life. I'd be upset if I went home and started thinking about equations. I'd be pissed. Turn this shit off. I'd be like, someone hand me a joint, please. No, literally. I need to stop thinking about

However, lucky for Chris, his life was about to change thanks to the rise in the prominence of IQ testing. So what is important to note off the jump here is that high IQ tests above 150 are considered unreliable. They believe there is not enough of a difference between a score of 150 and 200 to justify ranking anyone higher. This is just how it is.

The Guinness Book of World Records used to list IQ scores. I remember as a kid getting the Guinness World Books of Records and seeing that in there, actually. I don't think I ever saw Chris in there, though.

Now, his would have been in 19, I think it would have been the Guinness Book 1986. Definitely was not alive for that. They actually stopped listing the highest IQ score in 1990 because people with scores higher than 150 are often unreliable. And so how, why give them like, it's meaning, utterly meaningless to be in there then at that point. And you know, Guinness World Book of Records is very legit.

Very meaningful records in there. Very. The longest fingernails. Don't ever forget her. Dude, I used to love those books. Me too, man. They're so fun. I remember there was the most downloaded image, I think, was a photo of Pamela Anderson in a bikini. And I like that page a lot. Oh, my God. I like that page a lot. How old were you? Like eight? I was 18. No, yeah, I was probably like eight. Eighteen? No.

Well, because of this, specific tests have been engineered to test high IQ, like the MEGA test, which tests people with an IQ above 150. However, it's important to note that MENSA, the more or less authoritative group of high IQ individuals, does not accept MEGA tests for entry. The MEGA test has also been criticized for several reasons, including its short length, only 48 questions, an individual passes the test when they score 43 correctly,

However, the test is designed only to be taken once and the questions do not change with new attempts. Which, what the ffff. What's the point of that? Yeah, it's kind of, and this was unverified, but according to some sources, you could take the mega test by writing into an ad found in the back of a science fiction magazine. So it's, you know. Totally legit. Totally legit. Totally legit.

So keep all that in mind when we talk about Christopher Langan taking the mega test in 1986 and scored 42. So unfortunately, he was one question shy of passing. So what happened next? Well, Chris refiled and retook the test using the pseudonym Eric Hart, who's too embarrassed. This time, surprise, surprise, Chris scored a whopping 47 out of 48, granting him the highest score on the test ever received and putting his IQ between the range of 195 to 200.

So there you go. That's how we got there. Soaring high IQ. He cheated. He cheated. Got it on the second try. I think we all could do better on the second try. Yeah, I would hope so. That would be bad if he got like a 41. We got worse. Yeah. Questions don't change. You should be getting higher.

yeah the mega society and mensa groups in general are very interesting the people that show up to those uh if you just go on reddit and read about mensa groups it's just kind of hilarious to hear people's experiences and what people are like there and there's a definitely some similar people to uh chris that kind of show up to some of these things um which is kind of interesting but

Chris continued to use the pseudonym Eric Hart in the Megasociety Research Group, which he was allowed to join after passing the test. He even used the name in the year's edition of the Guinness Book of World Records next to Keith Raniere of Nixxiom. Wow. What was Keith in there for? IQ? IQ. Wow. That's not saying a whole lot. We're talking about Keith. Oh, man.

So before we proceed with our discussion of Chris, it's important to note that his entire claim to fame as the smartest guy alive is based on just a bunch of bullshit, really. Kind of fraudulent. He has never taken another IQ test to verify his intelligence, which you'd think he'd want to do that, right? He'd want to, he knows he's being doubted. He knows people are dunking on him constantly. If you're really that smart, why is it that big of a deal to just

Take another test. Right. Silence the haters. Or debate an actual smart person. Right. If you're so smart. But no, Chris, he doesn't have time for that, man. He's very, he's a very busy guy.

However, his IQ is estimated to be somewhere between 120 and 130, which does make him more intelligent than most. It's above the average, which honestly seems reasonable to me. Yeah, I mean, there's I was watching a lot of Professor Dave, who he just debunks a lot of these kinds of guys. And even he like he hates Christopher Langan. But even he was like he said that he was the one who said, like, I would put him between 120 and 130 because he is still very well-spoken.

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meeting hotties and personal training. I mean, a bartender and a personal trainer. He apparently was also the personal trainer to novelist Tom Wolfe. Oh, wow. Damn. So he's doing all this and nobody knows. They're working alongside one of the world's smartest man. However, when Good Will Hunting, which this absolutely will remind you of Good Will Hunting, was released in 1997, the general public became obsessed with finding these hidden geniuses.

Two years later, Esquire published an article interviewing the highest IQ individuals nationwide. Yeah, that movie really brought it to the forefront. We're all very interested. We're like, wait, are there other geniuses just amongst us? There's really not. There's really not. I mean, yeah, that's the unfortunate thing is like if you're really a genius, you're

Chances are you're doing genius things. Most do. Most do. Most are in college by 10 years old and off and already working in

high high paying jobs and you know high caliber of intelligence by 20 you know they're not they're certainly not bartending and personal training no which again chris has a whole argument for which we'll get into later but chris was not doing that he was just being a bartender and a personal trainer but he also met his wife neuropsychologist gina sasso through the mega society and the two of them ended up founding their own high iq society called the mega foundation and

So they founded this non-profit called the Mega Foundation, and it sounds very familiar, certainly in the Megatest people thought it did, because they thought Chris was just using the name to get on boards for other societies. Eventually the original Mega people made Chris drop the name, but that wasn't before he was appointed to numerous fellowships, including one focused on intelligent design.

Because Chris's story of, you know, one of poverty, violence, hard work and being misunderstood by academia was an instant standout. He became even more famous when filmmaker Earl Morris interviewed him for his documentary series First Person, which we're about to show you a clip from that.

And we showed you a clip at the beginning. Honestly, it's kind of worth a watch. You want to understand him more. And I think, like, I really like Errol Morris just as a filmmaker. He's a great documentarian. I think the way he edits it is very engaging. Very good. Yes, yes. I like the side angle views and, like, the panning to, like, his eyes and stuff. So here, we'll play you a clip from it. I wasn't invited to my graduation. My head was too large to be fitted for a cap.

Get the f- The cranial circumference was too great. Couldn't buy a motorcycle helmet either. So you have a large head. Yes. Near as I can determine, it's about six standard deviations above the norm. The odds against having a head the size of mine are millions to one. And the odds of having an intelligence such as yours? Also millions to one, but we can't necessarily infer from that that there's a correlation. We'd have to have more cases.

of big-headed intelligent people. My own personal opinion is yes, head size does influence intelligence. Size does matter! It has to. Size does matter. I mean, if you take a very small creature with a very small head, you're never going to see a lot of intelligence out of it. Take a centipede. How smart are they? Not very smart. On the other hand, take a house cat. Well, that's somewhat smarter. Take a larger-headed creature, a monkey, even smarter than a house cat. Now take a really large-brained creature like a man. Smarter still. Seems that there is some kind of correlation going there.

What would be the volume of your brain? Don't know. I haven't actually done it. I could do it by volumetric displacement using the Archimedean method of submerging my head in a tub of water. Seeing how much water is displaced by doing that. But I haven't done that yet. The Archimedean method of submerging my head in a tub of water.

You're probably starting to catch on the way that he explains things is very confusing. And he just kind of definitely just talks over you, talks, you know, from this intelligent point of view so that you can't understand what he's saying. I also think it's important to note that phrenology, like the study of the head relating to intelligence, like not only is linked to just like straight up racism, like they used it to justify slavery, but it's also completely debunked.

It's like the jury is not still out on that one. Well, that would immediately mean I would expect most men's heads are bigger than women's heads, right? That's also part of it. Yes. And so that's part of by his logic. He's also stating that men are just superior from an intelligence perspective, except for some of those women that have larger heads. That's literally. Yeah. When that's obviously not true, there's plenty of women that are far superior.

Most women are far smarter than most men. Let's be honest. So, yeah, the math doesn't compute there, but he tries to make you think it computes. Centipede. The centipede. You're probably wondering, man, did this guy ever go on a game show or do any do anything like that? Well, sure did.

Chris did continue to stick with the fame, eventually turning up on a game show, One Versus 100, where he walked out with a quarter million dollars in cash. Now, this really, I wish we could play it because the question that he uses to, well, not even to all of his lifelines on. I want to know if you guys know this. You know, I'm a trivia head in the in the comedic bit. Who's on first? What is on second base? And the answers are who, what, where? And I don't know.

Who's on second base? I don't know, is my answer. Okay. Is it a trick question? So the question is phrased in the comedic bit, who's on first, what is on second base? And then the answers are who's, who, what, I don't know, and where. It's who's. Who's on first? What's on second? Who? Who?

Who's on first? And what's on second? Oh, what's on second? Yeah. What's on second? He needed a lifeline for that? He needed two lifelines for that. Oh, that's it? Oh, I thought that was his trick. Okay. Yeah, that was the question. Oh, well, shit. Wish we could watch it. Tripped him up. Tripped him up. Also, he's not watching Three Stooges? He's old, man. He didn't have a TV, Ian. He's too busy reading books, bro. He wasn't watching Three Stooges.

He's reading about advanced mathematics. That's true. And teaching himself Latin and Greek. Yes. Which I'm sure took up a lot of time. I wonder if he was like a speed reader. I wonder if he's like could speed read. I'd assume so with that kind of intelligence. Or if he had a photographic memory. Yeah. People online were theorizing that with ChatGPT, he probably just asks ChatGPT to summarize books. Damn. Save him time so he can get even more knowledge. Just give me the highlights to store away.

Well, Chris had moved out of New York some years previously and had a horse farm near Missouri, which he eventually expanded with his game show earnings. But Chris's fame didn't stop there. He was also given two chapters in Malcolm Gladwell's Outliers, a pop sociology book focused on people living at the extremes. Gladwell also compared Chris to Robert Oppenheimer, the leading physicist who would eventually go on to create the atomic bomb. Despite being seen as too young, a communist, and bad at working with lab equipment. Uh,

Yeah, interesting comparison. Gladwell saw Chris and Oppenheimer as figures who reached a similar junction, both getting kicked out of college, whereas Chris was essentially kicked out of school after his mom forgot to file financial paperwork. Oppenheimer was merely put on probation for attempting to poison one of his professors. While Gladwell ultimately chose class as a deciding factor, Chris was raised in poverty, and Oppenheimer was with the New York elite. Gladwell still seems a little suspicious of Chris's story, though.

Gladwell pointed out that Reed is a small liberal arts college well known for accommodating its more gifted students, as Chris claims to be. He also pointed to Chris saying that academic institutions did not take his theories and writing seriously because he didn't have the necessary credentials. Gladwell believes that institutions like Reed and other colleges celebrate intellectual disagreements, so he's surprised to hear Chris say that his ideas were completely discarded by

by the school, which I think is a really good point, right? If you have this really intelligent person, why wouldn't you want somebody like that there to challenge? What great discussion would be had in the classes with Chris? Chris would stand up and be like, no, you're wrong. And then go on this tirade of like why he's right and why they're wrong. How interesting as a student to sit there and have somebody debate your professor or fucking annoying. But that is a really good point, I feel.

Well, and oh, no, you go unless he's just a fucking nuisance. That's the thing is, I think he's an egotistical maniac pissing everybody off. Well, and I think Malcolm Malcolm Gladwell, I believe, is an alum of the other school that Chris got into University of Chicago. So I believe that like he is pretty attuned to to kids like Chris and how they were treated within school and within college and.

In his opinion, he's like, yeah, that sort of stuff would be celebrated. So I don't know why you in particular...

were singled out, you know? Well, it doesn't stop Gladwell from considering Chris to be genuinely intelligent. He just doesn't believe that has any practical intelligence. He wasn't given the space and notably wasn't of the same social class as Oppenheimer while growing up to have differing opinions or cultivate his learning beyond what he taught himself, which is all a very interesting sort of way to look at things. But I think there's probably some truth in that. Right.

I think opportunity is absolutely a big part of your education experience and also could help determine how far you go. If you don't have the opportunity, you don't have the resources, it's going to be a harder path. Doesn't mean that you can't still succeed. It just means it's, there's more resistance, right? Like that's,

Not as easy if your parents pay for your school. You know, you don't have to worry about getting scholarships. You just apply wherever you want. If you get in somewhere, they've got it covered. There's none of the financial stress to it and all the opportunities there just by default. Or your parents are alumni or something like that. You know, it's just kind of for a lot of people, it's a very easy process. I know for me personally, it was not an easy process. I put myself through school. I got into several schools, but I didn't.

end up getting to go there because of financial means. So I understand the financial aspect of it because I agree with Chris at schools. Most schools are just profiting off of people. And I think the level of education has gone way down and importance and other things that generate revenue for the college are more important oftentimes.

And also just professors aren't paid enough, you know, and there's not enough professors because it's not a lucrative enough. It's not a lucrative career path like it used to be, which I'm speaking from experience. My grandfather was a college professor and both my parents are educators. So and they tell me all the time how fucked the system is that, you know, these colleges make all this money. Yet, where is it going?

And so I think there's a lot of problems with that. So I tend to agree with some of Chris's stances around sort of the schooling system and education system, because I think it is very broken and it does kind of cater to an elite social class, which is fucked up. Everybody should have opportunity, ample opportunity, you know, like the great Bernie Sanders. College should be free for everybody. Will that ever happen?

Well, now the Department of Education is gone, so. Yeah, yeah. Well, with Vince or Vince. With Vince, Mr. Vince. With whatever the fuck her first name is, McMahon. Shirley, right? Such a fucking joke. Yeah. Such a fucking joke. I'm not trying to be political. It's just a fucking fact.

Yeah, definitely not going to help our education system go in the right direction. So anyways, back to Malcolm Gladwell here. So here is a clip of him explaining the class differences between Oppenheimer and Chris in more detail.

I found this pretty interesting. The one story from the book that I will ask you about this evening is a different past that Chris Langan and Robert Oppenheimer took. Please very briefly describe who Chris Langan is, what he is doing, and why his path is so different from Oppenheimer, who attempted to murder his professor but became famous. Yeah. Well, you're giving away my punchline. But, um...

At this very point, I tell the story in the book about this guy named Chris Langan, who is believed to be the person with the highest IQ in maybe the world, certainly America. And his IQ is, you know, it's impossible to tell when you get into the upper ranges of the IQ test. Of course, the IQ test ceases to become useful. So you have to develop

For people who score really high, you develop like super IQ tests. And then out of them, you develop an even more extravagant IQ test. It's like this kind of it's like Russian dolls. And then you in the end, you have this kind of super, super, super IQ test. Anyway, this guy got like 19 out of 20 on the super, super, super IQ test. So he and he's a for much of his life, he's been a bouncer in a bar.

So the question is, how is it that the guy with the highest IQ that we've ever seen, he's got 40 points on Einstein, for goodness sake, right? How is it he's a bouncer in a bar? So I was trying to... The reason is, of course, that once you're past a certain point of smartness, probably an IQ of 120, all those extra IQ points don't matter. It's the same thing we've been talking about. It's an entrance criteria, not an excellence criteria. And so I thought it would be really fun to compare him...

And I tell the story of his life, and his life is really interesting because he goes, gets a scholarship to college, and he drops out for the most kind of bizarre and totally hard to understand reasons. His scholarship gets screwed up, and he can't convince Reed College where he's going to let him stay. And so he drops out. He never actually gets his BA. And this man who by rights should have gotten like four PhDs and published a thousand scientific papers ends up.

as a bouncer in a bar in Long Island. And so I decided to contrast this to the story of Robert Oppenheimer, who, you know, is a similar kind of child, one of these one in a billion kids with a super, super high IQ, and everyone thought he was a genius. But he doesn't grow up as Chris Langan did in this kind of very poor, impoverished background. He grows up on Central Park West, and he goes to ethical culture, and he goes to

to Harvard and then he goes to Cambridge. And when he, also when he's in college, encounters a difficulty, only his difficulty is not that they screw up the paperwork on his scholarship. His difficulty is that he tries to murder his tutor at Cambridge. And what happens to Oppenheimer when he tries to murder his tutor at Cambridge? He talks his way out of it. They gave him probation. And the punishment is he has to go down to London and see a Harley Street psychiatrist once a week, right? So here's this wonderful

you know, little comparison. The super brilliant kid who gets drummed out of Reed College because his paperwork gets screwed up, and the super brilliant kid who tries to murder his tutor. By the way, not just any tutor, this guy Blackburn or Black something, who goes on to win a Nobel Prize, you know, later. So he tries to murder a future Nobel Prize winner. And what happens to him? He goes on to hold the single most important government job of the 20th century, right? The Manhattan Project.

So that's all about, that has, at this point, we are so far beyond IQ and we're talking about other things. We're talking about your ability to negotiate your social surroundings and to get your way in the world. And so that whole chapter is all about the importance of class because the argument there is that

Oppenheimer was taught how to get his way and negotiate his way out of trouble because that's what you learn when you grow up in an educated, wealthy family on Central Park West. That is the gift that upper middle class parents give to their kids. And that is the thing that is notably lacking from the upbringing of children who grew up on the other side of the tracks.

And that's another one of these impediments that we don't want to talk about. And I think that we have to acknowledge if we're going to do something about or help those on the other side of the tracks to achieve. What do you make of that?

that was a lot to digest there I think I personally I really like Malcolm Gladwell and I think that I would say that that is in Malcolm's version of events the deciding factor however I think Malcolm is being very kind to Chris in assuming that he's telling the truth yes and so I think if you were to just to take everything Chris has said at face value that he is the smartest man in the world

that he did get into this college, that it got fucked up because of paperwork, then yes, class is the deciding thing that kind of didn't allow Chris to succeed the same way Oppenheimer did. However, if you're like me and you don't necessarily believe everything Chris is telling you, I still think the deciding factor is more so this lack of practical intelligence, this lack of like,

being able to use your intellectual capabilities, which Chris obviously has because he can speak very well, being able to use it for anything useful, you know, aside from just talking about how smart you are. And put thoughts into action. Right. Because I'm sure he has lots of thoughts about what happened, what happened with the school and why didn't that, you know, why didn't my paperwork work out? But

The logical practical thing would be to then go in and talk to whoever is in charge of your financial paperwork and figure it out. Right. I will say like I ran into a very similar situation when I was in school. Granted, it was like 40 years after Chris would have gone to school. But I also like forgot to file paperwork. I forgot to register for the right amount of credits. And they billed me at the beginning of the semester because they were like, your scholarship isn't going to apply anymore.

So I was like, oh, fuck, I can't pay, you know, $30,000 right now. Oh, you earned a scholarship? Yeah. Smarty pants. Yeah, you know, you know. Thank you. But... You earned it. I'd like to think so. Thank you. I'd like to think so. I think scholarships are amazing. Mm-hmm.

Everybody should try to get scholarships who needs them because they're out there. And a lot of people don't even know that they're out there and don't even try to get them. And they're very easy. You click a button when you apply. Just click a couple of buttons, write a couple essays. You're good to go. But which which Chris could have done. That's the hard part for me, too, is.

He has all this intelligence. You would think he'd be able to write the most beautiful, well-spoken essay that could win him any scholarship he wanted to any school that he wanted to go to. But why did he not do that? Right. Well, and again, like the way I solved my issue was I messaged the financial aid people. I was like, hey, what happened? And they told me and we fixed it within a day. And.

Again, this is 40 years after Chris would have gone to school. I have the benefit of email. I have the there are many benefits that I enjoyed in that situation. But still, he's got two legs. Yeah. He walked 15 miles in Montana. This is nothing. Walk your ass over to campus and go into the financial aid. That that's the thing with Chris is it just doesn't add up.

Like for such a logical human being, I'm like, dude, your story doesn't add up. Right. You can poke so many holes into your entire life story. And I get you don't you feel like you don't need to explain everybody and your ego is, you know, whatever. But I'm I can't help but think, why didn't you just

It just seems like you didn't want to be there in the first place or you were never there at all. Right. And that's the reality. And so this is just the like cute version you give us so that it makes you sound cool, I guess. But yeah, it makes no sense. Like, dude, figure it out. You're smart. But maybe it's he's just got so much going up in his head. He can't. His arms don't work and he can't. His legs don't. And he's just thinking constantly. And which which, yeah, some people are like that and they can't translate what they're thinking about to action. Right.

And so there's lots of really smart people who aren't successful for that very reason because they can't apply these things they're thinking about into actual practical actions that work because you really need both to function in this world in the way society is set up, right? You got to have the practical intelligence with the mental intelligence for it to sort of work. There's obviously nuances and special scenarios where that's maybe not the case, but

For the average person, you have to have some level of both. Well, there's like the whole EQ versus IQ thing. Yeah. And a lot of people would argue now that a higher EQ is more important and useful than a higher IQ when it comes to being successful, you know, in just in your life in general.

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I would argue the interpersonals in most cases is almost more important. In most jobs, most career fields, you've got to be able to work with others and also communicate with other people. You have to know how to play the game. Like you can be, there is someone I know in my life who is very intelligent, got really

really, really high SAT scores, went to a very, very good school, but struggles a lot in their day-to-day life because they don't know how to apply themselves. Their social relationships are not good. And yeah, they're struggling big time. But it's sad because it's like, God, on paper, you're a fucking genius. This person is really, really intelligent. But

Unfortunately, with no way to apply it, doesn't it lacks the skills, the practical intelligence to put that to work. And I think that's exactly what happened to Chris. He's got all this intelligence up there, but he lacks the skills to apply that intelligence in a productive way. And so he'd rather stand up there and just shame everything and everybody and blame everybody else for his lack of opportunity and his lack of, you know,

It's because it's set up this way, which I agree it is set up. It's not set up in the best way that it could be to provide ample opportunity, especially for those that come, you know, come from impoverished backgrounds or, you know, lower, you know, lower middle class, things like that. But if you don't even try or don't, you know, there are resources available to you. There is a way to do it. But if you just choose not to do it and then blame everybody for it,

what are you then? You know? And so in that case, you know, in that way, it's, it's hard to feel that bad for him. And it's all, it is very odd that he, he just did all these like physical, physical labor jobs when he could probably have even gotten low level accounting jobs or, you know, worked at a bank or something, you know, if he's that good with numbers and good with

solving puzzles and everything else there's so many other jobs that he could have done with no college education that he could have then proved his intelligence and climbed the ranks that way just by proving I don't need school because I just have this intelligence kind of Elon Musk

type situation right well and I also I believe there was a stint where Chris worked for like a computer software company yeah and I believe he got that through the mega foundation after he took the test they were like oh we can hook you up with this job but you know there's so little so much is not written about that time that I believe it was even like less than a year that he was able to keep that job and

For the most part, it has just been physical labor or bouncing or good old fashioned just training people. Like in order to be successful in life, you really have to learn how to play the game. And it's like when you go in for a job interview, you could be the most qualified on paper, you know, the quote unquote smartest person. But if you can't relate to them and sell yourself, really, then you're not as likely to get a job. And, you know, someone who's maybe on paper a little less qualified, but is able to, you

you know, make those emotional connections and be likable and be someone that people want to work with. Like, that's what people are looking for. That's how you're successful. It's not, it's the old saying, like, it's not what you know, it's who you know. Yeah. I think to some extent that's really true. Being an employer myself, I look for people, I don't necessarily look for the most intelligent people and that's,

Except for Ian. We hired Ian purely on his intelligence. Because I'm a dumbass, yeah. His low IQ really sold us. But the reality is,

What you start learning as an employer is that you look for people who have great potential and have great skills that can be developed and can be tuned to best fit your business and your line of work. And those are the people that usually make it far is because they recognize that and they're just that type of person that they enjoy that and they enjoy learning and soaking things up and don't have an arrogant attitude about it.

Nobody wants to work with people like that. I actually worked with a guy in geek school back in the day when I worked when I was a computer nerd. I worked with this guy named Eli and Eli was very, very arrogant.

And he was he was that guy. If you brought your computer up to the counter and said, I need help with this, he would shame you at the counter. You know, you know, a college college kid coming to the man, my computer is running slow. He'd look at it for like a split second and be like, well, it's because you're doing this.

Basically, you're an idiot. Turn it off. Get a new computer. Have a nice day. And then he'd go in the back and work on his calculus homework. This guy sounds awesome. He was kind of awesome, though, because he'd do show tunes in the back as well. Really? He'd sing show tunes while he was doing his calculus while simultaneously working on computers. I actually learned a lot from him because I tried to play up my intelligence with him and try to act like I know what he's talking about. And, oh, yeah.

Derivatives. Yeah, dude. Love it. Yeah. I love show tunes. Can you sing that one? But the arrogance, you know, and the ego that some of these people have is ultimately, I think what's holding them back from being successful in society is nobody wants to be around somebody who talks to you like that. Nobody wants to be talked down on and felt

inferior. And when he's literally out there saying everybody's inferior, I could have taught the professors. It doesn't matter your level of intelligence. If you present yourself in such a way, nobody wants you around. You're going to be a lonely guy with all this shit going on up in your head. And I think it's also

Chris seems to spend a lot of time thinking about things that don't necessarily have a career path associated with it, especially as we start talking about basically his life's work, which is the CTMU or the cognitive theoretic model of the universe. And he seems to be very interested in almost being...

a spiritual leader in a way, in kind of like this great philosopher. It seems like he's more interested in being a philosopher than he is

applying that intelligence is something that can be better used in society. You know what I mean? Like that would also garner him accolades and high paying job, things like that. So let's, that's what we're going to kind of shift into talking about is explaining this whole CTMU theory that he's, he's come up with is very, very confusing. But let's, let's play some of this clip from a Spike Jones interview in 2019 with Chris.

So I thought emotional intelligence would require some self-awareness also, some intelligence about your own emotional... Well, that's called metacognition.

Basically, it's a kind of a transcendental ability where you rise above yourself and look down on yourself from above. It's a different level of thought where you've got the level of the object level where you're talking about things that you see, and then you talk about the level where you talk about yourself talking about things that you see. Then you can go up from there. And metacognition, if it's mobile, it can actually go up an arbitrary degree.

until finally you experience oneness with the universe. So is it a spiritual, is it connected to spirituality? Yes, ultimately it does, and ultimately it is, because you connect with the identity of reality itself, if you can do it well enough. Which brings us to your, you should probably explain it, but the... CTMU, Cognitive Theoretic Model of the Universe. And that's the project you're working on? Yes, it's the attempt to understand ultimate reality.

Are you trying to discover something or prove something? How would you define it? Well, you're trying to do both. When you're trying to understand reality, you want to be able to use that understanding for other purposes if you have them. But also there's a certain amount of insight and pleasure to be gotten from just understanding.

what reality is. And that's what the CTMU does for me. And it could potentially do for others as well. And what's your theory of what reality is? If you take a look at reality, the highest level of reality, the very highest level is going to be an identity. An identity is something that distributes over everything in the system.

And the CTMU is designed to be that identity. So it is everywhere present on both physical and metaphysical levels. But the one thing you talked about is that I remember when I was researching you was your idea was that if you can hold this entire universe in your mind's eye simultaneously and all of its complexities that you can, then you'll be able to understand God. Isn't that what God does?

Yeah. He holds everything in his mind or his metaminds simultaneously. So in order to really understand what reality is and what God is, you have to be able to kind of do that yourself. Of course, we're just human beings, so the only way we can do that is to wrap everything up in a very small package. That's what the CTMU is. So what is God in your mind? What is God? Well, you know, God has been called a number of things, but one of the things he's been called especially...

In Christian theology, which is our dominant theology, he's been called Logos, which is the word, which of course, word means a piece of language. You're looking at a piece of language. And that is exactly what the CTMU is. It models reality as a language. What's your definition of God personally? The identity of reality.

You see, I've been talking about reality and I've been talking about the identity of reality. God is reality. As a matter of fact, God is the ultimate reality. He is reality on its very highest level. No other definition of God makes sense. So the idea is that the universe and all of us and our mind and our perception all adds up to be God? Right. The universe is a coupling of mind and perceptual reality.

You see out there the external world and the internal world, the internal world being your mind. This is a coupling.

And it's not a coupling you can take apart and reduce to separate parts. It is one thing with two aspects. That's what I mean by a coupling. And that's what the universe is. And that's what God is as well. Except God has the. How many times has he defined the CTMU? How many different ways? Just in that clip right there, he said he gave like five different definitions for what he's trying to talk about without explaining it any further. Hence why he's like, so what?

what is God to you? What is God in your mind? And he just, he just talks circles around you. Right. And it's all like you can capture bits and pieces. And when you capture those bits and pieces, you're like, why are you explaining this? So in such a, this confusing way, when you're just saying that basically all of the universe and reality is all one in the same, there's no difference. We are a part of it. Then the CTMU almost sounds like he's then applying the,

And this is what he is doing. He's complying a language model to it. Like he's trying to apply this computer language model to it to explain it.

in what he thinks is a different way. But he's just taking a spiritual concept that's been already spoken about in this exact way that he's explaining it since basically the beginning of time. I mean, I can't tell you the amount of philosophers and spiritual leaders and teachers who all say the same thing, that the ultimate reality is God, God is us, God is one, we're all part of it, there is no difference. But the way he's just flipping back and forth trying to confuse

The interviewer here is just it's almost comical. It's like, dude, why? Why aren't you just say just stick to one thing? Why are you switching it up constantly trying to confuse us? Because it makes you sound smarter and comes across like this guy's a dummy. He can't get what I'm what I'm trying to say. But it's not that it's not this complex idea you're coming up with. This is something that's already been there. It's been out there for a long time. And then he created this what, 90 page thing.

90 pages, 89, 89 pages. Attempting to explain the intricacies of this, but really just throwing a bunch of confusing terms and some made up terms into it to then, because it just seems like he really wants to be the guy known for discovering God and discovering that this long standing theory and philosophical idea that's been out there for a long time. Well, I've proven it. I have proven

created the recipe that explains why this exists and proves that it does in fact exist. But then he says a bunch of other things that are just

completely detract away from this. Like if this is really the message and really the life's work that you're doing, then how come all of the other thoughts and opinions that you have don't line up with this either? Right. It makes absolutely no sense. And for somebody who claims to be as enlightened, because now he's also not only saying I'm intelligent on like the human level, but I have, I am working towards achieving this conscious mind of God that's

that I am one with God. Therefore, I see all the things that God sees as well. He puts himself, God, Chris Lange, the rest of us way the fuck down here. And I think that's very intentional. Absolutely. Well, and it, you know, I was telling you guys beforehand, but the way he writes and the way he thinks about the world

to me is very similar to Ziz and the way that Ziz wrote in her blog. And it's this intentionally confusing language that endears people because either you're like us and you are just like, this is fucking nonsense, or you're someone who thinks that they get it. And because you think that you get it, you feel like, oh, I'm in the club with the smartest guy in the world. That means I must also be on this level with God, you know?

And that it's cult tactics, even though I wouldn't say Chris leads a cult. You know, it is why he still is kind of taken seriously among certain people. But it's very much an elitist mindset. Right. Which he also turns around and bashes constantly and...

you know, basically says all the elites control the world, which is great. But you're basically doing the same thing by the CTMU that you've created. And by the way that you describe it, like you're not actively trying to help other people understand these complex ideas and thoughts that you're supposedly having, but rather you're just continuing to confuse people and then basically be like, well, too bad you're not smart enough to understand what I'm saying, even though

actual, actual smart, intelligent people have looked at what you're saying and it makes absolutely zero sense whatsoever. So let's, let's talk about the cognitive theoretic model of the universe or the theory of everything that attempts to claim the very nature of reality itself. Because of course, a guy with an ego, the size of the fucking universe wants to set out to prove the existence of God and the existence of God in the

his mind, what that is. So he originally published this work in 1998 before releasing a paperback version in 2002. And in a nutshell, the CTMU says that the nature of reality lies in its perception. Reality exists to be perceived and therefore there must be something to perceive it. By starting with that basic level, Chris believes that you can work up the levels of perception until it eventually proves the existence of God

It's because the entire universe exists, something else must exist to perceive it fully. So there must be something to perceive the universe for the universe to exist itself. Therefore, there must be a God. But then also he doesn't, for me, I'm like, then you can, if just applying that same logic, you can take that to the next step is like, well, then doesn't there need to be something that exists to perceive God?

What is that? Why, why is God the end all be all? Right. How did God come along? Right. What is it? He still can't define what is God. Right. And then I, and then he references, uh, you know,

Christian theology, which is one, obviously one version. And he kind of alludes to like, yes, there's, God is called a lot of different names, but he doesn't provide any clear answers of what is God other than very, very generic terms that a lot of people have used. But, uh, let's take a look at this, uh, CTMU cover. So if we're looking at it, we've got a, Hmm, what does that look like? Looks, uh, it looks like a swastika a little bit, a little bit, which again,

If you know anything about swastika, that was, you know, it's had different meanings over the years, but largely, you know, we all know what the swastika was used for. But let's take a look at some clips of Chris explaining the CTMU throughout the years. Are you seeing me right now through that monitor in front of you? No. The answer is yes or no. And if you can't choose, you can't perceive me. You don't know whether I'm here or not. One or zero. Yes or no. Binary logic is something you depend on.

Without it, you can't have so much as a single perception. If we can base insight to God on binary logic, we've got it made. We don't need faith anymore. It's extraneous. And hence my theory of reality, CTMU.

You've got to, you have the universe. The universe is closed. It is one unary entity. That's your primary quantum. Okay? But now everything, it's got to be self-composed because there's nothing external of which it can be composed. It is completely self-contained. In other words, it's undefined from the perspective of anything outside. As a matter of fact, there is no outside perspective, which makes it undefined. This external non-definition, right? It's got to define itself completely internally.

And this amounts to freedom. It is externally unconstrained. All of its constraint comes from within. It's self-determined. And that includes the power to self-configure, which the universe has because there's nothing external to configure it.

Anything external to reality is irrelevant to reality, and you might as well not even talk about it. So it's the first requirement of discourse. Now, the universe is composed only of itself. There's nothing else but the universe, but the identity of the universe to comprise the universe. You've got one unified identity.

But it is self-dual. It consists of both mental and physical aspects. They are unified from the top down. Basically, a reality self-distributes and self-differentiates from the top down. Again, I'm hearing a lot of the same things, but there's no explanation happening. He's just using different terms to describe the same thing over and over again.

But it's all shit we already knew. Right. It's all shit that he started with. It's his first point. Just explain it. And that's what, again, Professor Dave and his takedown of Christopher Lang. And he watches the Daily Wire interview, which which we clip a bunch throughout it. And he just stops at point point by point and says, like, he still is not defining it. He still is not defining it. He's still he's just adding new.

He's just adding new explanations, adding new descriptors and adjectives and a bunch of new bullshit. But he doesn't ever actually explain what he's trying to say. It's just meaningless to all of us. I'm trying very hard. Like I pick up pieces of things that he's saying, but then I'm like, what's the point? Right. What's your big point here? Like, what are you trying to say? This is.

And there's tons of scientists that have claimed the same things. The guy who wrote the simulation hypothesis has said the exact same thing. It's all binary. It's all ones and zeros if you look at the way the universe is laid out and these exact points that he's bringing up. So I'm like, what is your original thing? What's your original point here? What discovery did you make with CTMU, whatever the fuck? What is it? The theory of nothing. Right. Literally the theory of nothing.

And he wonders why academics aren't taking it seriously. It's like, well, what did you discover? There's nothing. There's just nothing to talk about. You just you like to talk about this. But what are what are you getting at? And in every interview, it seems like he never can get to the point of, well, what's the groundbreaking discovery you made here? You can't prove God. There's no way to prove God's existence. Right.

Through the methods that you're using anyway. So what are you proving then? Well, and it's like if you look at, you know, actual huge groundbreaking discoveries or theories of everything, you know, the theory of relativity equals MC squared. That was a huge deal like that single discovery. And yes, it's not proven because you can't prove it.

But the fact that that equation can lead to discoveries, that was a huge fucking deal. What is the E equals MC squared of the CTMU? It's nothing. There's nothing like that within it. That's all you need to know about Chris.

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If you're not already confused, well, you're about to get really confused and then you're about to get really fucking pissed off because I think Chris gets very angry that people don't take him seriously. And so he goes to the group that will accept whoever and things get very, very bad, very fast. But let's let's finish up with CTMU here real quick. So.

Chris believes that by working through different levels of perception, one can prove the existence of God and simulation theory, which we all, you know, we all love to think about simulation theory. So let's, let's hear what he has to say. In addition to the display, there is also a processing aspect. Okay. And God, it captures both of those things. It captures both the display and the process. Okay.

What do you mean? I hate to put it in the end. Well, I mean, okay, here's the display. You realize the display contains states. Yep. Okay, you see things, the objects contains it. States are static. That's why they're called states. Okay, static. How do they change? Well, they have to be processed. Also not true. Something has to be processed. Okay, yeah, yeah. And in the calculus, for example, those are tiny little infinitesimal intervals. Okay, but they're not actually contained in the states themselves.

They have a neighborhood, a little tangent space or what have you, where you can sort of draw little vectors that suggest that some kind of processing is going on. But the idea of being a state and being a process, those are two different things in the ordinary way of looking at it. It turns out that you can't properly describe reality and causation at all unless you put those things together somehow. And that's what it takes God to do.

God provides the processing functionality for your state. You have an internal state, an external state. You're a material human being. To explain how that is changing through time and maintaining its coherence through time, even as it changes, that's what you need God for.

Yeah, I certainly agree with that entirely. And so I might not be sophisticated enough to parse all of the quibbles that there might be. But broadly speaking as a Christian, so much of what you're saying resonates as obviously true for me. The idea that, well, I'm a member of the body of Christ. The idea that God creates the world in this great act of love, this great act of charity. Self-love.

And yeah. Self-love. Don't forget you're an image of God. Right. So in loving himself, God loves you.

He should have been a Sunday school teacher. Yeah. He should just open a church. He might. Just preach. I mean, it seems like that's where he wants to go with that. Yeah. I like how all of a sudden Mikey from the Daily Wire is like, well, let me dumb this down for myself. And then he goes into the whole biblical creation story, basically. And Chris is like, oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Basically. Yeah. That's what it is. Thanks, man. Yeah. Thanks for backing me up. Finally, somebody backs me up here.

We need God because, you know, he built everything in his image and that's exactly what it is. It's, you know, him loving himself by creating us.

And blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, so why not just be a preacher then? Right. If that's, if that's ultimately your philosophy ultimately agrees with the biblical version of, of creation, what, what's the point of all this then? You know, why, why, you know, why are you then confusing everybody with all this other stuff when that's ultimately the simplified version of what your whole

life's work is about proving the existence of God, but he's trying to prove it through all these fancy terms and numbers and try and trying to make this really smart, complicated equation of his work. You know, he's like Ian said, he's looking for that E equals MC squared moment for himself. And I think that's really what he's chasing. He thought CTMU was going to be that like, Oh, everybody's like, Oh my God, fuck bow down, Chris.

is God. He figured it out. Right. He's got the math to prove it. But there's no math. There's no math. There's no math. Lots of metaphysical concepts, which are great, but it doesn't ultimately, it's just a theory, you know, it's just a, which again, it's a theoretic model. So he's not saying it's fact, but...

It's basically seconds back. We could go on and on and on about CTMU, but I'm sure your head already hurts. Mine hurts right now just sitting here. So there's a lot more we could go into. But that video really covers it pretty much through and through if you want to look at that. Because I'm sure a lot of you are bored already of like, what the hell? If none of this makes sense, then do I care to even hear anymore? And I'm with you.

Yeah, because this kind of piggybacks off of what you just saw. So intelligent design is a religious theory that states that while science, evolution, and everything else are real, they were intelligently designed that way by a creator, deity, or God. Chris, as a lifelong Christian, has always been a believer in intelligent design and will come out with a new interview every few years that exclaims, the world's smartest man proves that God is real. And there's an infinite number of clips on YouTube with this. But let's take a look at this interview clip here.

Do you believe in God? Many of the 7 billion people on planet Earth would say yes. But for one heartland man, faith is not good enough. Chris Langan wants proof and says...

he's found it. He's a blue-collar former city dweller who spent 25 years as a bouncer in the nightclubs of New York. They don't ask you what your IQ is. They don't ask you how smart you are. None of Langan's life looks too out of the ordinary. Part of it was, of course, finding a place to live where you had a certain amount of freedom. But in addition to Barry Picker and Farmer, Chris Langan is one of the smartest men in the world. Part of it also was to, I guess,

you know, have a certain amount of privacy as well. He's not a priest, a rabbi, or a prophet, but his arrival to the Princeton area was a pilgrimage.

Langen is noted as one of the smartest minds in the world. If you took the very best minds from the very best universities in the world, they wouldn't be able to put a dent in me or my theory. He's not using ancient texts to prove God's existence, but metaphysics. It includes physics and the natural sciences, but it also goes to a level above, a level on which you can actually talk about the entirety of

of science. CTMU is the cognitive, theoretic model of the universe. It's Langan's philosophical theory that he says proves God's existence. The existence of God can be proven if God is properly defined in the first place. He's dedicated to the idea that this theory should be pursued by mankind. Every religion that actually has truth, that actually has logical integrity, can be interpreted in this overall frame. He's not your conventional intellectual.

In fact, he doesn't even have a college degree. I'm pretty much an autodidact. I teach myself everything by necessity. He's attended a degree twice, but intellectual capital did not translate into financial capital. I had no choice at that point but to drop out. Shortly after he was discovered by Esquire magazine, he began the Makeup Foundation. This, I decided, would be a kind of an intelligence society, not an ordinary IQ society.

But one with more, you know, I think the big problem with for one, the problem with Chris going on all these shows and being interviewed all these times is that everyone just takes his shit at face value. They're like, he's the smartest man in the world. It's the same info every time, every single time. And I think like like when you look at the CTM, you which again, he claims is a theory of everything.

It fails. It's not even like a proper scientific theory in that there's it provides no mathematic model for which to test anything. And then furthermore, a theory of everything is like a very specific type of theory that explains, you know, it explains very specific things within physical science.

Which Chris's theory does not do. There's not a single number. And he uses words like language and mathematics interchangeably. Quantum. And he just says quantum. He just says stuff. So it's nothing. When he says this should be pursued by mankind, what is it? What are they supposed to do with it? Yeah, man. What the fuck? Other than throw it in the trash. Right. Any educated scientist. Well, it's almost like, and he's doing it under the guise of

Well, I'm superior to all these intellectuals in academia because I'm in the metaphysical realm. I understand all the natural physical sciences, but I also understand the metaphysical as well. And that's a whole level above where all these other guys are at. So therefore, they just aren't smart enough. They're not enlightened enough. They're not tuned in with God enough to where they can, you know, as you said, couple everything together.

Which is just, and he, because he is known as the world's smartest man, it works for him and people still give him the time of day and still give him the attention that he gets, that he gladly seems to eat up. But it's like, put him in a room. Let's see him in a room. I want to see him talk to Neil deGrasse Tyson. Yeah. That's who I want. Because that guy is also very smart and very sure of himself as well. Borderline arrogant at times. I want to see him go toe-to-toe with Christopher Lane. That would be interesting because

Talk about somebody who understands the universe and understands the natural and physical laws and actually gets it, you know, from a scientific perspective. I'd love to see him speak on Chris Langen in his... He probably would be like, this is a bunch of bullshit. It's not even worth my time. No, no. There's no... Nothing to even talk about here. You know, Carl Sagan has a quote that's along the lines of like, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

And if you're saying I can prove the existence of God, but then you don't provide the evidence or anything to back up that theory, then it's nonsense. It's just nonsense. Right. But according to him, he does. Right. Just nobody understands it yet because we're all too stupid. Right. And maybe we are. Yeah, maybe we are. Maybe he knows some shit and we're just all dumb. And Chris is the one guy who.

Like Jesus Christ. That just, you know, basically son of God. I mean, he's right up there. But it's like, come on, dude, you really think we believe that? Well, and also the reason he thinks that the CTMU has been silenced is very, very funny. Yes, which we're about to get into. So this is where shit really...

You might be thinking, guys, why have you been so hard on him? Why are you doubting him? Well, here we go. So it's not just academia that Chris claims is trying to silence him. If we go back to 2001 after the 9-11 attacks, Chris claimed that President Bush engineered the attacks to distract the world away from his CTMU theory. And unfortunately, that's not the only conspiracy theory the world's smartest man believes in.

Here's where shit gets really, really wild. So Chris's crazy fucking beliefs, especially in conspiracy theories, go all the way back to his first person interview with Earl Morris in which he supported the use of eugenics. Here's that clip. You can't run a democracy with a citizenry that really doesn't know how to make valid decisions. Most people don't even know what decision theory is. They don't know what maximization of utility is.

We live in a highly complex technological world and it's not entirely obvious what's right and what's wrong in any given situation unless you can parse the situation, deconstruct it. People just don't have the insight to be able to do that very effectively. We have to have an educated and intelligent citizenry, which, regret to say, we don't necessarily have at the present time. Say you had the opportunity to run the world, how would you do it?

Well, one of the first things that I would do is I would institute something like the Manhattan Project for a safe, long-lasting means of birth control. Simply implant that in all children at age 10. That would solve our population problem right off the bat. It would also enable us to practice a benign form of eugenics. I should probably say anti-dysgenics. Prevent undesirable genetic mutations in the human genome. People who wanted to have children would apply to make sure they had no diseases.

Either we have to do it through genetic engineering, or we have to let only the fit breed. We like to think that it is our right to breed as incontinently as we want to, have as many kids with whomever we want to. Future generations of mankind are being saddled with the results of what we do. Or don't do. Freedom is not necessarily a right. It is a privilege that you have to earn. A lot of people abuse their freedom, and that is something that people have to be trained not to do.

But who? Who does this training? Well, I'd be perfectly willing to do it myself. Just put me in charge. Chris also believes in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a long-discredited conspiracy theory that basically created contemporary anti-Semitism and hatred against Jewish people. The Protocols, which has been proven to be a forgery, claim to be written notes from a meeting with Jewish leaders in 1903 who were planning on taking over the world and subjugating Christian Europeans.

However, here's Chris attempting to defend its contents, writing, quote, There is no doubt that it contains a brilliant recipe for the subjugation, destruction, and replacement of Western civilization, and that this recipe has been scrupulously followed. He also believes that the government is paying people of color to replace white people.

It's just straight up. There you go. He recounts a story where he decided not to have children because he didn't want to subject them to poverty. Meanwhile, a person of color comes up to him and tells him that the government pays him to have kids and that he has nearly 40 children.

which is safe to say the story is entirely made up. He also points to a time in his life when he had to move away from New York because he couldn't secure a home loan, but states that applicants who weren't white were given loans even if they didn't have a job. Again, almost certainly made up. And by Chris's admission, he only made $6,000 a year while living in New York. And the smartest man in the world is not exactly a job with a paycheck, which $6,000 a year. However, this leads to Chris's next belief, the clergy population replacement theory.

Kalergi was a German-Japanese politician in the 1920s who believed in what would become the European Union and that people of all backgrounds should be able to live together in harmony. However, other politicians at the time, namely Adolf Hitler, said that Kalergi wanted this so more people would have interracial children. Chris Stradit believes that non-white people are less intelligent than white people. There you go.

and that this would allow people like Kalergi to control the world. So it's obvious Chris is just a straight-up racist, let's just be honest. In a memorial post for Coco the gorilla, a gorilla born in the San Francisco Zoo, he said, quote, Yet the nations of Europe and North America are being flooded with millions of unvetted Somalian refugees who are not initially kept in cages despite what appears to be the world's highest rate of violent crime.

Why did he say this during a post for a gorilla porn in the zoo? Who knows? I mean, what the fuck? Which we could spend forever talking about all of Chris's very far right views. But let's just say that he has defended Nazis. He hates interracial relationships and believes that white people are being replaced in Western society. So there you go. There you have it.

This is why we've been shitting on this dude. So why should anyone fucking care about anything that comes out of your mouth when you think like this? And especially in one token, you're talking about how we're all one with the universe and God. We're all from the same source. And yet you're over here fucking having all. It seems like your spiritual level of consciousness is very low, my friend. Very well. And also, like, it's not even that he's a normal racist person.

in that he doesn't even believe contemporary racist things. He believes in like the protocols of the elders of Zion has been disproven since like the 1930s. Like this is old school, old fashioned racism that just like people have adapted. They've gotten better at being racist. He still is believing the old shit. He found some dusty ass book in some fucking podunk library out in the sticks.

That's still run by some 90 year old woman. And he read it and he was like, oh, this makes a lot of sense to me. Ah, this is why my life is shitty. It's the Jews. It's all this nonsense. Well, Chris, you should just stay offline, man. His work recently has also amounted to just posting responses on forums and social media sites like Facebook, Twitter and Reddit or Twitter.

Here he is responding to a Reddit post criticizing the Megatest. He said, quote, Okay.

However, I do care when some resentful pseudonymous troll gets personal assures that everyone my work amounts to so-called affair. Either tell everyone your real name so you can be identified, vetted, and squashed like a stink bug by me personally, or stop trolling people about whose work you know nothing. I'm quite sure you know nothing about CTMU because you're clearly a troll, and trolls don't usually have the intelligence to wrap their puny little heads around

around that sort of thing. Thanks for your attention and have a nice day. So the Sokol affair that he mentioned in there was a 1996 scholarly hoax done by Professor Alan Sokol.

Allen submitted a paper full of nonsense words, incorrect facts, and unverified theories in order to test the integrity of the journal he submitted it to. Chris often gets compared to so-called fair, as the CTME was also filled with lots of nonsense words, incorrect facts, and unverified theories. However, Chris maintains that his paper is an earnest work of science. Just, just doing it for the betterment of him. It would be so, like, Chris could turn this all around if tomorrow he said, you know

You know what? The CTMU is made up and everyone who believed in it. I was just testing to see if you were a dumbass. Yeah. And he renounces all of his fucked up views too. He needs to get right with the Lord. I mean, let's be honest. He's not reading the Bible hard enough because this doesn't align. Well, all of this has made Chris a darling of the fear, the fear, right? I mean, the far right might as well be fear, right? But he's obviously gone on to support our president and commander in chief.

Saying that he's a very high IQ man. Oh, boy. Which, based on his recent medical results, it's hard to argue with that. That's right. Very healthy.

And his cognitive tests that no other president takes. He made sure of it. He likes to do those sort of things for fun. So, of course, you know, he's highly respected on all of those forums. You name it. He's on there. He's well respected. He's got quite the fan base. Chris does, you know, so much so that his fans are clamoring for him to debate Jordan Peterson, which I would love. That'd be quite the...

uh the show to watch do you guys have a good jordan peterson impression impression no i i don't even want to try i think you need you need to have a good kermit the frog impression first and then you can work your way yes yes kermit the frog like for sure but let's let's talk about also why chris is why he's kind of been in the sort of social media cycle and the relative uh past i would say

Because this Daily Wire, which we showed you a clip from already, but this Daily Wire interview was not supposed to come out. Right. It's scrapped, right? It was scrapped. He put it Chris put it out through his CTMU YouTube channel and titled it the interview they didn't want you to see.

We love that. They. They. Who's they, Chris? Who's they? The elitists. The academies. The academies. The academies don't want you to see this. The academies at the Daily Wire. You know what happens if you watch this interview all the way through? You become an academy. Mm-hmm. Because it is.

Fucking horrible. It is terrible. Really bad. There is nothing good in this. Let's show you. I guess let's show you a little bit of it. A little bit more of it, I should say. You mentioned everyone getting stuck with the Fauci ouchie for the last two years. And, you know, it's so, so extremely effective that we all need to take 50. Yeah. So just two boys kicking back chatting.

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Are you anti-vaccine generally? I take it you're anti-COVID. Well, I bought into the COVID thing at first. And, you know, I went out and bought, you know, Gina and I bought, you know, gas masks for us. And, you know, those N100 masks. And, you know, and I advised people what to do so as not to get infected with the deadly COVID. And then I noticed that, you know,

It wasn't really killing. You know, I live in northern Missouri. It wasn't really killing people. Nobody out there was wearing masks. Nobody out there. I mean, and nobody was dying of COVID-19. So I realized, well, there's got to be something a little bit off. Literally, what are you talking about? Pause it. Pause it. What the fuck are you talking about, sir? What channel are you watching? Well, you probably could guess. Yeah, so say it down. Do you want to answer that?

Come on. I mean, we have the number here. It was 21,621 Missourians died of complications due to COVID-19 between 2020 and 2022. Just people in Missouri. Right. Not worldwide. Worldwide, we're talking a lot more than that. And it was like, yeah, no, you know, yeah, no, no. Wasn't seeing anybody drop dead in front of me, so...

Even though I bought a gas mask, dude. And so I, you know, kind of like started getting away from it. And then I noticed that

You know, this, well, then I noticed that it was being used as a pretext for something called the Great Reset. I was a little disappointed. Okay. I'm very disappointed in everything he said. But when I first came across him, you know, I'm seeing titles of like, what does he think about UFOs and aliens and heaven and hell and angels and demons? And then he gets asked these questions and he just lets you down. Someone's like, so you believe in angels and demons? He's like,

Yes. And you're like, that's it? The guy that's literally proven God's existence in the universe and you don't have anything more insightful to say? So I'm very let down by Chris on so many levels. Yeah, I mean, I think that's also just

It's a lack of not only like journalistic integrity, but just like YouTube clickbait to still keep calling this fucking guy the smartest guy in the world. You know, I think that's really what it is, is that just a million people will still want to interview him just because they don't want to look at the fact that he cheated on his IQ test, that he still hasn't even provided proof of taking in the first place. Yeah. And his ego loves it. He's just he's very egotistical. Yeah.

I think it's very obvious to all of us at this point that he loves it. He loves the attention. He loves he's he's just I'm at a loss for words. There's a lot of things I want to say that I can't say on here, but he's not that smart. No, man, he's not that smart. He think he does. His mind thinks about things maybe differently than than some of us do. But

Even then, I'm like, how do I even know? If he was in the room right now and you could ask him something, what would you ask him? I'd ask him, why are you so racist? Yeah. I want to know why did you become so racist, bro? Like, just what made you go down that thought path? Like, I don't get it. Is it because you feel...

you just, because of your lack of practical intelligence and you weren't able to have the accolades and career and financial means that you clearly think you deserve. Therefore you to explain that away, you went down this path, down the conspiracy path and like everybody's out to get us. And, you know, I'm just echoing things I, you know, I've said before on the show, but

It seems that's what happened. He just like wanted an excuse to blame why his life ended up the way that it did. So this is the way he went. And also he started going down that path. And I'm sure he quickly realized, oh, I get loads of support over here. This is great.

if I throw God in there, it helps me even more. So I think that's really what it is, but I'd love to know, is that why? Or for somebody so intelligent who seemed to at one time had maybe some great spiritual perspective and was thinking about things at a high spiritual level, why the downward spiral here? What happened? I think it's really just, and you see this with a lot of

Not only just high IQ society people, but just with this kind of like far right grifter is the constant victim mentality. It's like the look at my IQ with this amount of knowledge. I should be the smartest fucking guy ever. I should have millions of dollars, but I don't. So whose fault is that?

And they believe it's typically people of color. You know, that's where they go immediately. Every time. It's just the victim mentality. Yep. I don't have all this money. So somebody else does. And it's not fair. Right. Poor me, dude. We're all so tired of it. We're all tired of it. Yeah. Well,

There you have it. We love to see it. We love to see it. That's Chris Langan, the world's smartest, but we're dubbing him the world's dumbest man. The world's dumbest man who had such great potential to be... I think if Chris had gone...

had had some more practical intelligence. And I, you know, I think he probably did have a rough childhood. It sounds pretty terrible. And was he lying about that? I don't know. But if that's what happened, you know, that's really shitty. And I feel bad for him that that's that was his childhood. But when you become an adult, you have to take responsibility as an adult and you have to take it upon yourself to make shit happen for you. Because

It just doesn't happen. You know, there's not, and I'm sure some of you will be like, well, divine plan and everything. It's God's plan, blah, blah, blah. But it's like, to some extent, you've got to make shit happen for yourself. And if your financial paperwork that your mama was not filling out for you, you could have walked your ass over there and talk to the woman and be like, hey, I really need to finish school because I'm a genius and I'm going to do really great things for the world. What do I need to do?

It was probably some simple shit. If he even went to school, which we haven't seen transcripts, we haven't seen any proof of anything at this point. So who even fucking knows if that's even all. And that's the hard thing, too. Is he just a fucking liar? Is he just lying about all this? I would love to talk to someone who he grew up with. I would like to talk to his wife, even. True. That would be great, too. What's it like living with this guy? Anyone that, like, personally has spent a lot of time with him would be very interesting to talk to because I wonder if their stories align with his in any capacity.

You know, such wasted potential. Yeah. Which is sad because I think he put in the right environment, surrounded by the right people. He could have been something. I mean, I could definitely see him being a professor himself. I could see him.

in a similar role to somebody like Neil deGrasse Tyson. Somebody who runs a museum and, you know, is a personality or almost a educational entertainer in a way, because he definitely has some of those qualities. And I think he just, he's very bitter about where he's ended up, even though he claims he loves his simple life and, you know, loves farming and all that, which is great too. But

based on his interviews, it seems like in his points of view and some of the conspiracies he believes, he's very salty about a lot of stuff. And he's very angry that he just wasn't afforded these things, yet he didn't make any of those things happen for himself, even though he was capable the entire time, especially if you are the world's smartest man. And sorry, that's the title that's given to you. So we're going to hold you to that. And so

Out of everybody in the world, there ain't an excuse for you, bro. There's no excuses. I don't feel bad for him. I think he's a lost, troubled soul. I think he needs to spend some more time in his Bible or do some more praying, some self-reflection, maybe some meditation, maybe some kundalini yoga. Perhaps. Oh, boy. Perhaps he could benefit. Honestly, too much weightlifting and testosterone. Yeah. You need to calm down, bro.

And really think about your life, because I think you could have made something of yourself and you just didn't for whatever reason, because you decided to blame everybody else and all your circumstances. But hey, it's his life. He knows God's real. He knows there's an afterlife, it sounds like. So maybe he thinks he's good to go. But it's interesting to me that he's so confident that he's a fucking racist. So aren't you a tad concerned about your afterlife and where you're going to go with these problematic ideas?

And that's the part I want to see somebody like really question him with some really hard, these hard questions that we're talking about. I want to see somebody ask him these things because all the interviews are the exact same fucking questions over and over and over again. There's nothing new, nothing, no revolutionary discovery you're going to find with Christopher Langan.

Can check out a CTMU and fall asleep on the first page. For real. Sorry, Ian, go ahead. No, I was just going to say, it really is fucking boring, dude. Like, I did... I told you guys, whenever I'm researching these, I really do like looking at the primary sources. But this is the one time where I was like, I...

I can't do this. I literally cannot look at this page for a second more. Well, you were saying this is some Zizian level shit. That's exactly how I feel. When researching their philosophy on everything and how they explain the universe and stuff. And you were saying this earlier to us. You're like,

If he was younger, you feel like he would have potentially fell into the Zizian group. 100%. If he was more obsessed with pop culture instead of racism, he would have become a Zizian, for sure. I could see that. Because I think that computer science part of his mind, that he fuses into everything, definitely would fit right in with the Zizians. Well, and the Zizians think they're so smart, so above average, and it's like, ooh, that's

And with the click and I could see him being like, oh, I'm only going to associate myself with these other brilliant minds. But part of me is like, how authentic is that really for Chris? Part of me is like, does he even like believe the shit that he's saying or does he just say it? I think when you're that cocky and seemingly think so high of yourself, like there's got to be a part of you that has doubts, right? You've got to be overcompensating for some sort of personal doubt you have, I would think. Right.

I agree. I also think the fact that he sought out like literally hundreds year old racist conspiracy theories. Yeah. Shows me that he is somewhat like that's something he is dedicated to is the racism thing. Oh, well, I don't got much more to say about Chris. I'll be honest with you. I'm pretty tired of even talking about him at this point. But I'm sure a lot of you have a lot of thoughts. I'd love to hear them.

Do you feel the same way that we do? Let's just say I hope so. I really hope so, man. But there's a yeah, there it is. Chris Langan, smarter than Einstein, baby. Clearly, but clearly missing the point. Missing the point of life and point of being a being a human at the end of the day. Very lost. I'll pray for him. Pray for Chris. Pray for Chris. But that's going to be it for us today. Thanks for hanging out with us.

hopefully you found this interesting maybe you hated it and i'm sorry uh sorry if you did this was uh definitely a pick of mine i just i didn't know where it was gonna lead and it led a totally different place than i thought it was so but yeah let us know your thoughts we'll see you guys next week till then keep on taking your mind a mile higher