Glauc Talk: The Dress: 10 Years Later, Can You Still Trust Your Eyes?
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Hello, everybody. Welcome to Knock Knock High with the Glockenfleckens. I am Dr. Glockenflecken, also known as Will Flannery. I am Lady Glockenflecken, also known as Kristen Flannery. I watched the SNL, you know, the SNL 50. We watched that together. That was fun. So I've been, the algorithm on TikTok has been feeding me SNL skits. Sure. Because my phone, our phones listen to us. And I just watched the Welsh Leoms hot tub.

The Will Ferrell, Rachel Dratch, their lovers. I don't know if I know this one. Remember, I have a big black hole in TV and movies at around like high school to early college. This is a classic Will Ferrell. I know. I've missed a lot.

Who's like a big influence on me with like in my life. And this was just a skit where him and Rachel Dratch were lovers in a hot tub. Hot tub. They call it. It's like he talks in this very like, I don't even know how you would describe his accent, but I'll have to show it to you.

And so I was thinking, like, how would we pronounce, if we were Will Ferrell on that skit, how would we pronounce our last name? Flanary. Flanary? Flanary. Flanary.

I love us. The glockensfleckens. And the hot tub. And the hot tub. I love it. I love it. It's one of my favorites. Okay. This is a Glock Talk, if you haven't gotten that already. So we are just going to chat, catch up. Yeah. And I've got one update for you. Okay. You've got an update for me. Yep.

So let's do a quick rundown. I'm going to tell you a little story about this morning, taking our daughter to school. Oh, I can't wait. Oh, boy. You've got an update about ARFID? I do. Oh, my gosh.

All right. We had a previous episode about that, so we got an update. And then there's a thing that happened on social media about 10 years ago. Do you remember the dress? The dress. The infamous dress. It's the 10-year anniversary of the dress. God, how does it go so fast? I know, right? 10 years? It's crazy. 2015. Yeah.

Really? Yes. I remember this because it was like right after I joined Twitter for the first time. Yeah. And so it was a huge thing on Twitter. Wow. I can't believe it's been that long. And then we're going to do... I also can't believe that these are the anniversaries that we're marking as a society, but okay. Very important. Social media is a very different thing now. Yes. And then I have a healthcare news update. Yeah. And a little fun with the characters. Okay. All right. So first thing... It's going to be a good one.

So our daughter, taking her to school this morning. Which one? 13 or 10? 10. Okay. 10. Fourth grade. So I was driving her to school and I told her that I had a dream last night where the kittens that we have pooped in my shoes. Oh, no. Oh, no.

Okay. And it's probably, it was in my subconscious because I was doing laundry for like all day yesterday. Where the kittens are currently sequestered. They're sequestered, trying to get them used to our new, the new environment. Yes. And it just...

I guess I went in there after they had just taken a giant dump. Oh, no. Because, like, the whole day, it smelled awful in there. Yeah. And so it was, like, in my mind. And so anyway. Nothing says fresh laundry like cat poop smell. So I subsequently had a dream where they took a dump in my shoes. And then our daughter, she, like, had this, like, puzzled look on her face. I was looking under the rearview mirror and

And she's like, huh, I didn't think adults had dreams anymore. What? Really? Yeah. She's like, that's weird. Like.

grown-ups aren't supposed to dream, have dreams. I interpret it as more of like a philosophical interpretation. Oh, yeah, sure. Like grown-ups, they don't dream anymore. All their dreams have been crushed. All their dreams are crushed by society. There's just no dreaming. No dreaming among adults anymore. Yeah, I wonder which way she meant. I'm giving her a lot of credit there. I don't think she meant that. And then I was like, well, yeah, I have dreams sometimes. She's like,

Well, I just... I assumed that all of your dreams would be about taxes. Maybe the nightmares. So we don't dream as adults, but when we do dream, it's about taxes. It's about taxes. In her mind, like subconsciously, our thoughts are consumed by taxes. Well, I...

I can see how she gets there. I see the logic. Do we complain about taxes too much in front of her? I don't think we complain about them, but they are just sort of ever-present. And it is a lesson we're teaching them right now because we've hired them through our business. Right. And so they are learning about... It's like time to do taxes right now. So they're learning about it. And I would say our conversations about taxes in our house are not so much like, oh, I got to pay taxes. It's more like...

What the hell is going on with our taxes? What are taxes anymore? How does this, what does this mean? Like, where does it come from? How do I understand taxes? Trying to keep track of everything. Yeah. And then we just say, well, thank goodness we have a CPA. So anyway, we're learning about CPAs as well. That's right. Hey, what do you dream about? Like, do you have a theme?

Like, do you have any recurring dreams or does there tend to be a... I did when I was little. Yeah. Like, when I was... You had sleep terror. I had night terrors. What's it called? Night terrors. Night terrors. I had night terrors growing up. And sleepwalking. Yeah. So, I would... So, I would, like, be screaming in the middle of the night asleep. Yeah. And...

What I remember is my parents, I would wake up and we had our house growing up. You could like walk, do a circle. Yeah. Around like the living room, kitchen, dining room. There's like a circle. So I would wake up to my dad like walking me in a circle, just like walking. That's how I'd wake up. Yeah. Like that.

A couple of times we were like outside. Yeah. Like probably because I was screaming so much. It's like, let's not, let's not wait. Let's wake up the whole neighborhood instead of just our house. Let's let people sleep.

But I don't remember what those dreams were. I do remember a couple. They were kind of like falling nightmares. Sure, classic. I remember one, I was in a car, and for some reason we were flying over a giant tree, and then the car starts falling. Yeah. And it was scary. Another one is like a roller coaster that was out of control. Uh-huh. So it was like- Lots of- Kind of like-

Falling from heights. Flying, falling, moving quickly. Yeah. I don't know, that kind of thing. Yeah. But I would say now, I kind of don't dream much anymore.

Well, you do. Well, yeah, but I don't remember it. Everyone does, but you may not wake up in the correct part of your sleep cycle to be able to remember. I want a dream expert on here. Ooh, that would be fun. Let's get someone talking about dreams here. Yeah. Maybe like a sleep person. Yeah. I think we've had a sleep medicine. We should do it again if we haven't because we've got a lot of sleep issues in our family. We have a lot to talk about. We could ask them a lot of questions. Do you dream? I do. It's almost always nightmares. Yeah. Yeah.

Almost always nightmares. Yeah. I can't think of the last time I had a nice dream or just even a neutral dream. Give me an example of a nightmare. Well, a common theme is someone pursuing us, like me or a member of my family or a loved one, with intent to harm us.

Is this like a faceless individual or is it like somebody that you know? No, it's just like usually just like men or monsters. Okay. Monsters. Monsters was more when I was a kid, but now it's men. All right. Men have become the monsters. Yeah. Okay. Gotcha. Who knows? Maybe there will be a bear in there someday and I'll be like, thank God. So that's the...

Please. So that's the general theme. Yeah. Somebody trying to hurt me or someone I love. Also, I've had the falling dreams too, sure. But then the other really common recurring one is, I don't know what it says about me, is I have, I am in college, but I'm me now, but I'm like back in college. And I- You forgot you had a test. Worse. I forgot I had a-

class until it's the end of the semester and it's finals. Okay. And I have to show up and take the final and try to salvage. Okay. That's super weird because I have also had that dream.

Is that like a, maybe that's an adult dream now. Maybe. Do other people have that? Yeah, I'm really curious if any of our listeners have that dream. I have had that exact dream. Yeah. Like you didn't know you signed up for a class at the beginning of the semester and all of a sudden, whoa, I got to take a final exam. Yeah. Yeah, it's like either midterms or final or somewhere where you are like way behind. Yeah.

That's stressful. It's the amount of psychological damage that schooling and the way it works with tests and everything. Well, and we were good students. So maybe that's why. I wonder if this is like a high achievers nightmare. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, you know, any low achievers you want to weigh in? I mean, anybody. I mean, testing is just stressful. Yeah, it is. So it's like, and so I don't know. Yeah. Yep.

Yeah, those are my dreams. I don't know. I don't have any nice ones anymore. Nothing about eating? No, I don't dream about eating. I try to think about food as little as possible. Well, tell us about the ARFID thing. Okay. Yes, ARFID update. So we had a previous episode. We had ARFID Andrew on to discuss. He has a social media channel where he tries to eat new foods because he's trying to overcome his ARFID.

And in that episode, I mentioned that I had not been diagnosed, but I for sure have it because you just look at all the criteria from the DSM and I'm like, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. So I have now since been officially diagnosed by a psychiatrist. Congrats. Thank you.

It is a little validating in seriousness because, you know, I grew up my whole life with no name for this thing and no, like everyone just thought I was difficult and a picky eater and all these things, right, that we used to think in the 90s and 2000s. So you vet the criteria. So now I have an actual on paper thing that I can say, right? And that's kind of nice because then you can go about like trying to get support and get help, whatever. Does your insurance company recognize it?

Good question. I guess we'll find out. We'll find out soon. But also, I have, I don't even know if I told you this, I have started treatment. Oh, you just told me this. Did I? Yeah. Yesterday. No, no, different. I have started ARFID specific. Oh, I did not know this. Yes. Oh, I'm glad you waited until the podcast to tell everybody. Yeah, see, now you can have a genuine reaction. What does that treatment entail? Well...

I just started last week, so it's very new. Okay. I'm very scared because it is exposure therapy. Okay. So, but you go slow. Is this being done in a controlled environment, like at your doctor's office? This is being done with my psychiatrist. It's virtual. Okay, right. Okay, gotcha. Telehealth. Yeah, yeah. But under the supervision of a psychiatrist. And...

Last week, he gave me the assignment to just keep a food log, right, of like what I eat and notice any sensory things about it and how do I feel when I'm eating it, right? So right now, it's just a bunch of like, well, these are all my safe foods, so I feel fine. I've noticed that they are all mostly soft and smooth as a texture. Okay. So I do see that pattern already. Do you want to turn this into a TikTok channel? No. No.

I don't. No? I don't know if I can...

It's the way you're supposed to think this day and age in society. It's like, hmm, I'm going through a weird thing in my life. Andrew's already got that covered. He's got that angle. As if there's not more than one person doing any given thing. Anyway. I don't know. I'll think about maybe there's a way that I can. Because I do care about like, you know, awareness and making people feel less alone. So the angle here is though, it's like you're, this is the like clinical, like you're going through the.

The clinical treatment. The actual treatment of it. Well, true, because he's just like trying. Yeah, he's just trying things, which is also good for like exposure to this idea of ARFID. But I think it's a little bit different path that you would be taking. Sure, true. Anyway, all right. Well, I'm scared is the takeaway. I'm very, I'm not excited about this. So you're going to be like in our kitchen, like?

Trying things. I don't know how it's going to work. To that level of specificity, I am not sure yet. But I know it's going to be just very gradual exposure to new foods. Who knows how long this takes? When are we getting to broccoli? Oh, God. Brussels sprouts. You know, just let's keep our expectations reasonable. All right. Gradual. How often do you meet with this person?

It's like once every two or three weeks. Okay. And then is this like an ARFID specific? Like this is what they... Like they are well-versed in... They are...

A nutrition, like they're a psychiatrist, but their specialty, I'm going to get this all wrong, all the terminology, because I am not in the medical field, but like their specialty has to do with like nutrition. Yeah, so they like have a focus as part of their career in this area. Yeah, on like how nutrition affects mental health and all of that stuff. But they're like MD. So, yeah, and I think I am the first person to...

Who has brought ARFID to his attention. So see, even within professionals, it's still not like super. They were not aware. They knew of it. I should. Right. So maybe it's not bringing it to his attention, but I'm the first patient that he's seen with it. So he's he's learning about it.

You know, because of me, I guess. On the job training. As we go. That's great. Yeah. But it's also just like he is trained in exposure therapy. It's just exposure therapy for food rather than like...

Is he going to be listening to this? I don't know. I haven't asked. I don't make a habit of, if he doesn't know who you are in your social media, then it's, I don't, I don't make a habit of Googling my patients. Yeah. In fact, I don't think I've ever done that. Yeah. So I don't, I think you're probably safe. And my face is not as recognizable as yours to the medical professionals. Although you were recognized. I know. It's not on, it's not.

You've been recognized. Completely unknown, but it is far less known. Well, you know what will make you more known? What? Doing an ARFID therapy channel. This year would. Oh, geez. We'll see if I get there. I don't know if I can commit to that right now. That feels... No pressure. I'm getting like racing heart rate. I'm going to be flushing soon.

That's scary. So anyway, I'm doing that. Also, I have a correction to make. On that episode, it was pointed out to me that... Oh yeah, we had some pushback on that one, didn't we? Yeah, one person. Mostly people felt supported and seen. It was other people that were like, oh my gosh, I didn't know anyone else was like this. Thank you. Well, it was that there were a few things in there, but one was...

It is actually classified as an eating disorder. And I think that I because I am also learning, like I said, we did not have this information for most of my life. It is. I said it's not an eating disorder. It's a feeding disorder. Oh, OK. Which is what.

When I learned about it, that's what the information was. But I guess now it is classified as an eating disorder. It just doesn't have a body image component to it. It's not about body image. It's about like a food phobia. I see. Okay. So I stand corrected. That's good. That's helpful feedback. Yeah, sure. Because terminology is important. Yeah. And so, yeah, that's okay. So it is an eating disorder. I guess so.

It makes sense. Yeah. I mean, it's disordered eating, so sure. All right. Well, let me know if we need to start buying asparagus or something. No, I think that's well down the road. Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, let's see. Yeah. You want to take a break? Let's do that. All right. And we'll come back with a little healthcare news. Okay. Hey, Kristen. Yeah. I've got some friends I'd like you to meet. I see that.

You seem a little too friendly with them, I have to say. Aren't they cute? Sure. With the little beady eyes and their little hands. The hands? The claws? I don't know. Appendages. Okay. How about that? That works. Anyway, they just like, they'd like to say hi. Okay. They'd like to say hi. Okay. Wonderful. They're not, they, oh, look, the one's sticking around. It sure is. Right on my mic. These little guys are demodex and they live on your eyelashes. Yeah.

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Your friend and jeweler. All right, we're back. Healthcare news. Yeah. It's not really news. This is like something that I think a lot of people have known about for a while. It's about UnitedHealthcare. Of course. It's not these days. Every week there's something going on with UnitedHealthcare. And this one is that the Department of Justice is like officially investigating the

fraudulent Medicare claims from UnitedHealthcare. So this is the gift that Medicare Advantage programs keep giving. Okay. Before you go further. Do you know what Medicare Advantage is? I kind of do, but I want you to explain it for people like me out there that may, like, I think it gets, the PR brochure makes it seem like a very positive thing. So what is it? So Medicare Advantage, and I don't know if it came about

at the same time or because of the affordable care act, but the affordable care act certainly made it like exploded the possibility of doing this. So in order to try to get as many people on health insurance as possible, which is one of the things that for, we have affordable care act, the affordable care act tried to do, um,

They expanded the, this agreement between the federal government and private insurance companies. Does it, if it sounds like a bad idea, well, you're right. It's a horrible idea. And one of the worst, like the affordable care act did some great things. Uh, you know, you're getting rid of preexisting conditions, letting people stay on their parents' health insurance when they're until they were 26. Like those are like really good things. Um,

It also did some really not good things, which is marrying the CMS, which is Medicare, Medicaid, CMS with health insurance. It allowed private health insurance companies to get in the government funding business. And so basically they have these Medicare Advantage programs now, which is basically Medicare funded in part by Medicare.

It's health insurance. It's private health insurance plans funded by the federal government. Okay. So is that what distinguishes Medicare Advantage from regular Medicare? Yes. Okay. So regular Medicare comes where? Straight from the government? Yeah. It's CMS. It's the federal government. But the Medicare Advantage plans are sponsored by...

The private insurance companies. Okay. And so basically it's the private insurance companies insuring seniors. And then the money, basically the private insurance companies say, oh, this claim costs this much, federal government. You need to give us this amount of money for this claim. Okay. So like a senior goes for their diabetic checkup. They have this diagnosis, this diagnosis, this diagnosis.

The insurance company will take that claim and show it to the federal government and be like, you need to pay us this amount based on the agreement that we have together. Okay? Okay. So what apparently, allegedly, which this is not so far-fetched that, I mean, come on, it's UnitedHealthcare.

unite healthcare is doing is taking those claims and adding diagnoses who could have seen this coming to what we call like upcoding like upcoding the claim to make it seem like it's more like the patient is in worse health right because then the government needs to pay them more money government pays more money for these other conditions supposedly exactly

to the tune of, you know, billions of extra dollars of revenue that they're getting through these Medicare Advantage plans. So now the federal government is getting the same treatment as the rest of us. Not treatment, medical treatment. I mean, by UnitedHealthcare. Oh, well, yeah. Yeah, exactly. So they're feeling the brunt of it. And I mean...

The whole Doge experiment with Trump and Elon Musk, that's another episode. But maybe they should look at Medicare Advantage plans and try to figure out what the hell's going on. Yeah, you want to talk about government efficiency. I mean, come on. So I have no preconceived notion that

It's actually going to result in meaningful reform. I would love if the Department of Justice can just like overhaul Medicare Advantage and by extension insurance companies. I mean, they're private companies, so there's only so much the federal government can do, but maybe increase regulation, whatever. But in reality, because we've seen like this happen time and time again, it's going to be like some hefty fine and then. Yeah.

Slap on the wrist. Right. Look the other way. And then it just like keeps happening, but in a slightly different way. Yep. So anyway, that's your health care risk. Well, that's fun and uplifting. It's like, and I've had people on social media criticize me. For? For focusing too much on health insurance companies as the cause of

As the reason, the primary reason why we're in the situation we're in today. What do they think it is? Well, it's like, you know, it's not just health. This is like the criticism being levied against me. It's not just...

insurance companies, you know, physicians, they cause problems too. Yeah, I hear that one. You know, the government causes problems. So it's like equating the overall problem that is U.S. healthcare to like, oh, it's just as much everybody else as it is insurance companies. No, it is not. It is not.

And I, first of all, I've never once said that it's just health insurance. Right. Because sure, there's a shitload of problems about the U.S. healthcare system. Yeah. I just, it's like the majority of it comes from companies who do shit like this. Yeah. Ooh, swearing today. Feeling strongly about it. I'm just like, I'm...

I'm tired of people like kind of trying to like sweep this under the rug and like then start blaming things. Again, it is this black and white on the Internet. Like everything has to be either this or that. Right. There's no like nuance anymore. So it's like I think you've used this metaphor before. It's a pie. Yeah. And like, sure, there's a slice there.

That might be related to physicians. And there's a slice that might be related to whatever. But like the, there's like six slices. That's insurance. Too many slices. Too many slices. It's a gross pie. It's a fruitcake. Of course. I,

I'm going to focus the majority of my energy on health insurance companies because they're causing the majority of the problems, in my opinion. And this just backs that up. And also in your actual life because of your work. Yeah, exactly. And your medical history. Personal life, everything. Yeah.

I want UnitedHealthcare out of my life. We get on. We get hot about that topic. Should we? Let's move on to something like healthcare adjacent. Okay. Which is the 10-year anniversary of the dress. Yes. Do you remember? What do you remember about the dress? It caused an uproar. It was even like on the Today Show and things, right? Like it started on Twitter or something and then made it all the way to national news. I think it was Twitter and just to age like how far we've come in 10 years, Tumblr. Oh, okay. Tumblr.

Which is still a thing. Tumblr, wow. Still a thing. But Tumblr and Twitter is like, that's where like it really got going. Right. I was, this is 2015. So we were in Iowa. That was residency. Yeah. So as an ophthalmology resident. Right. It was big news. I was not anything on social media. I like had an account, but I did not have a following. And so, but I still got like people in my real life were like, what's going on here? What's with this dress? Right.

So what do you remember about it? What was the actual thing? Well, I remember somebody posted the dress, a picture of the dress for some reason. What did you see? And some people saw like white and gold and some people saw blue and black. Yes, correct. I think I saw, I mean, it's 10 years now, so could be wrong, but I think I saw white and gold. So did I. Okay.

Do you want to dive into like the science behind it? I mean, it's only, it only happened 10 years ago. Only 10 years ago. But it's still like relevant ophthalmology. It is. It is. Party trick stuff. I could just do this. I could do this on knock, knock eye. Maybe I'll do it again on knock, knock eye. Why don't you do the, just the overview here and then you can save the details for that. So there's, there's, there's three different options in, in the photoreceptors. Yeah.

What's an opsin? What it basically boils down to is this thing called the Purkinje effect. Okay. Okay, so it basically says... Is that neurons? Purkinje? Well, what do you think the optic nerve photoreceptors, what do you think this is? It's all part of neurons.

Okay. Yeah. Sure. It's all in your brain. I'm just making a connection. Yeah, yeah, it is. Purkinje, as in neurons. As in neurons. Yeah, yeah. And so, neurons. Neurons. So, basically, the Purkinje effect is as you go into a more dark adapted state with your eyes. Yes. Your perception of color moves toward light.

longer wavelengths. So it just kind of... You move toward a kind of deeper, darker color adaptation. And so with the dress, it's... I think it's absolutely white and gold. But because... Is it? I don't even remember now what the actual colors are. Here, I'll show it to you here. See, I see blue and black in it now. Okay, so the reason people...

interpret it as blue and black is because it's backlit. And so when you're looking at the dress, if you're, you are seeing it in shadow, um,

And that's going to trigger more of your dark adapted state. Can I put this in simpler terms? Sure. If you're expecting something, if your brain thinks something is in shadow, it sees colors as it would in shadows. Correct. If your brain thinks something is in the light, it sees the colors as if it's in the light. Yeah. And shadows, colors look different in shadows than they do in the light. Exactly. But then it's not.

Color perception is just that. It's a perception. So your brain has to interpret that color. That's why...

Really, both sides are correct. It's not like a one or the other because it's just that there is objectively a color that this dress was right. But people's brains are interpreting it in slightly different ways. And I think it depends on how light or dark adapted you are at the time of seeing that dress. Yeah. So what I'm finding interesting, though, is I think I saw it white and gold before and now I'm looking at it again and it is blue and black.

So as you advance in age, as you get, no, I'm just kidding. But misinformation has never been so, so easy. And so, yeah, so I think it's just, and you can kind of make yourself see a certain, a different color, but like,

If you look at it and you know, okay, it's backlit, it's daytime, I know that it's backlit, so I'm seeing the dress in shadow, then you can kind of trick your brain into filtering out those darker colors. Like that silvery, deep blue, black, because you know...

Your brain is in shadow. So I need to correct for the fact that it's in shadow. Yeah, you correct it. Your brain corrects it. And so you still see it as white and gold. I guess some people just don't make that correction or are not thinking about it in that way. And so they still see it more as a black and blue.

I'm trying to get myself to switch. So here's a way you can make that happen. Okay. Sit in a, like, for like 20 minutes. We're not going to do it now, obviously. That'll be a fun podcast episode. For 20 minutes, like, just be in a dark room. Okay. Dark adapt yourself. Right. Because what that does is it allows your photoreceptors that are more active in a dark adapted state to,

which we'll see more on the black-blue spectrum. So sit in a dark room and then look at the dress. And then it'll seem like it's light. No, it'll see more because those are the photoreceptors that are more active at that particular moment. And so you will see more of the darker colors. I'm confused because I am seeing more of the darker colors. Maybe your brain's just not... I'm seeing blue and black.

Yeah, I think you're just not making that adjustment. I know, I'm trying. I'm like mentally trying to get my brain to switch. It's not happening. Okay. What do I need to imagine? Rather than sitting in a dark room, can I do a visualization to get me to switch? I don't know. So I would need to think about it being very dark. I think it's...

You could try that. You could just close your eyes for a bit. Like if I'm looking at that dress and I think to myself, that dress is in a shadow versus if I look at the dress and I think to myself, that dress is well lit. Right. Can you do it? I'm trying. I don't think I can. Not on the spot. Human, like color perception is such a weird thing. Yeah. And it's. Well, I'm really kind of freaked out by this, that back then I saw white and gold and now I don't. That's bizarre. Brains are weird.

Maybe you've killed off some of your color photoreceptors. How dare you? Some of your high wavelength or low wavelength, I guess it would be. Well, whose fault is that? I'm married to an ophthalmologist. You should be protecting my vision. Maybe it's all the blue light. No, I don't want to say that. People will take that seriously. Yeah, really.

But I think I was actually wondering this would like if you put on a blue light blocking pair of glasses. Yeah. Then it should. Someone try it. Because it does. If it's blocking out a lot of the blue wavelength of light, then you should see more white and gold. Yeah.

I don't have any blue light blocking glasses because they're nonsense for the vast majority of things except for regulating your circadian rhythm. But anyway, someone could try that and let us know. See, just as lively a discussion as ever on this dress. Blue, black, white, gold. All right, let's take one more break. All right, I promise I don't have any more ophthalmology for you. Okay, good.

I didn't even get into the visual photo transduction pathway. You can do that on Knock Knock Eye. We got rhodopsin. When I don't have to listen to it. And certain enzymes that come when they change the. It's fascinating. Don't want to hear about it. I don't think they will. I think they will. Just because I don't doesn't mean that people. People really like your eyeball stuff. So I'm sure people will be interested. People are enjoying it. Yeah.

You don't listen to it, though, do you? I don't. That's okay. It's all right. It's okay. Sometimes I'll listen to the first part where you're just like chit-chatting. I'm trying to figure out exactly like what works. Because you're really good at like brainstorming, like figuring out how to like, you know, make things popular among non-medical people. Mm-hmm.

And so like there's certain things I'm trying out with this, the knock knock eye episodes. Like sometimes I'll do like mystery diagnoses. Like I see a patient sometime in the past couple months and then I like go through my thought process of like how I go about diagnosing that patient. People really like that. Yeah.

Because it's storytelling. It's story, yeah. It's like a Law & Order episode. Right. You're bringing them along in real time. Exactly. I think people like, because they don't, normally doctors don't like go into that. Explain themselves. I didn't want to say that, but go into that much detail about their thought process. Right. And so that's one thing. And then another thing is like,

basically patient questions. Yeah. Like the more basic, like things that you don't really think about

addressing like in physician and medical community circles because you just don't think in that way like it's too it's things that you all we take for granted right and so it's like trying to what is that the curse of knowledge or something there's a name for that we'll go with curse of knowledge sure something to that effect doesn't sound right look i'm aging i can't remember words anymore

So anyway, I just did an episode with like 10 questions like that. I don't know. I'm still trying to figure it out. But then I had an episode recently that was like, like did not do as well. So I don't know. I don't know. I'm trying to feel like I'm just flying blind, so to speak. You're throwing things out there. See what works. See what people like. Or people could just tell us. That'd be much simpler. Well, I'm getting lots of great comments on the YouTube channel. Yeah. So I've been reading a lot of those. Yeah. People can actually tell us.

What they want to see on any of these episodes. Not going to knock high or knock high. We have a survey. That's right. We've been getting really good information so far from people. And so it'll be in the show notes. Save him some time. Yeah. Help us out. Because we do this for you and for us.

Nice save there. And for us. Very nice save. I saw that happening in your eyes. All right. I've got one more thing before we wrap up here. Oh, but the survey, it'll be in the show notes. So if you want to let us know. I just said show notes. Did you? I did. I don't listen to you. You don't listen to me. You don't listen to knock-knock I. You don't listen to me when I'm talking to you. I do. Oh, how the tables have turned. Oh, yeah. How do you like a taste of your own medicine?

All right. So real quick. So I just had one of my videos we put up on Instagram. It was the one of my horror themed episodes where the the.

The orthopedic surgeon is trying to teach bones to the med students and he doesn't talk about teeth. And yes, I know teeth are not real bones. All right. That's part of the joke. Part of the joke. And then the dentist mafia approaches him. And so it's got this kind of horror theme to it, which I feel like I'm pretty good at. But you don't like horror movies. Right. So I was thinking like you like you're a rom-com fan. I wouldn't say that. No? No. No.

Well, I was just saying, like, what's a genre that you really enjoy that you could, like, help me come up with? Oh. You like movies where people fall in love. I mean, rom-coms are so cheesy. Yeah, so are some of my videos. Well, sure. I guess that would be a good fit for church, for sure. If you're leaning into the cheesiness. So, I guess my question for you is, which of my characters should fall in love? Oh. Wow. What do you think? Well...

Like I had a two episode arc where there was a physical therapist and an orthopedic. No, I thought it was an occupational. Sorry, a physical therapist and an occupational therapist. Yeah. That fell in love over resistance bands. Right. And a really bad wig. And then I had people also telling me to get speech therapy involved. Oh, okay. But I wasn't ready to do some kind of like

type situation. Okay. It could be a love triangle. A love triangle. Well, that would be a little bit better. Yeah. Easier to film. Yeah. I guess I could still go there. Is there anything else? For people to fall in love? Well, that's an interesting question. I would have to think about it. Maybe it would be like someone could fall in love. I was thinking like there's already a burgeoning relationship between family medicine and Jonathan. Yeah.

Okay, sure. Right? Yeah. Oh, boy. That could get weird. A lot of nodding involved. Yeah, a lot of nodding. And so, like, that's one way I could... I'm just trying to, like, bring in some positivity to the universe. Yeah, it'd be interesting and complicated if the psychiatrist fell in love with someone. I think he would fall in love with himself. You think? Yeah.

I think surgery would fall in love with himself. Well, in a different way for psychiatry because they just like the ultimate challenge is to. Did you do that shtick where you're talking to yourself in the mirror? You know, psychiatry is talking to himself. I did that once. Did you? Yeah, I did when the psychiatrist goes to therapy. Oh, okay. He did therapy on himself. He had the handheld mirror. That was incredibly difficult to film actually. I bet.

All right. We'll keep brainstorming that one. Yeah. Try to figure out some different, just exploring different relationships. Yeah. You could tell us that on the survey too, if you want, while you're at it. Which of my characters do you want to fall in love with each other?

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Start from the beginning. That's a lot of episodes. It's a while back. Yeah. The banter between you two is so funny from a relationship standpoint. That's good to hear. Yeah. So why do our kids get so tired of us bantering back and forth? Because we're their parents. I absolutely love the interviews, and believe it or not, the information is wonderful. Believe it or not. Believe it or not. I love it. Exactly.

You're in the guest, but a whole new understanding on so many topics. Just got to the first episode of Glock Talk and no offense, Lady G, but I agree with Dr. on being on time. You know, that question is also in the survey. It's actually, it is in the survey, which who is correct. Keep up one of the best podcasts and I hope someday to see a show. Oh, thank you, Rudy. That was very thoughtful.

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