Glauc Talk: The Surgeon General Drinks Raw Milk—Should You?
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Hello, everybody. Welcome to Knock Knock High with the Glockenfleckens. Over here we have Lady Glockenflecken, Kristen Flannery. That's right. And you are Dr. Glockenflecken, Will Flannery. We are the Glockenfleckens. And we are here...

For Glock Talk. We're just talking. We're just chatting. We're catching up. We just had Mother's Day. Yes. And so maybe talk a little bit about that. I also want to talk about the new U.S. Surgeon General. Yeah. Been in the news quite a bit lately. So we're going to get to that probably after the first break. But actually, this is what I want to start with. I would love to know how other countries do their driver's licenses. I just like...

I mean, you could say this about a lot of things in the U.S. Yeah. There has to be a better way. Right. Yeah.

So I, so I, first of all, so I make an appointment to get my real ID because I, because you waited till the very last second. We're now, we are now past the deadline. I have a, I have a passport, but it is, you know, you don't want to mess with the passport and everything. Um, and so, plus my current driver's license has our old address on it. So, which we've, I've had for like two years now. Right. Um,

And so I make an appointment to get my real ID finally. And it's, it's obviously it's a miserable day. Like the, the rain, it's cold. It's not a good day. Even for Portland standards. It's awful. And yeah,

The DMV, it opens at 8 o'clock. And so I get there actually early. My appointment's at 8.30. I get there at like 8, 10. And there's already like a line of people just to get into the building. Have they not opened the building yet? They've not opened the building yet. They're late opening the building for whatever reason. And so probably about 30 people long line. And so even though I have an appointment, I get in line. I just have to wait till I get in the building.

In order to do whatever I have to do in there. And so finally they start letting people in. And it's just like everyone's cold and wet. And fortunately I found an umbrella in my trunk. Are you amazed? Are you surprised by that? I'm not because. You never know what you're going to find in my car. Your car is like a magician's hat. Like anything could be in there. That's true. Yeah, that or a clown car, right? One of the two. A combination of both. And a trash can. Hey, my daughter cleaned it.

That's right. Oh, it's great. I was like, this is the most impressive thing that our kid has ever done. Our 10 year old unprompted. Well, she wanted money. That was the prompting. I never promised her money for that. She was earning money. She knows that if she does like a really big job, that's not her job around the house, that she can get paid for it.

And so she was like, what is the biggest job I can think of that I can do? It was to clean your car. Did you pay her for that? I think so. Well, because if not, this is an important lesson for her to make sure you get paid up front for work you do. Or make sure you're actually hired for the job before you do it. Exactly. Or you have a contract in place. Yeah.

with us anyway um very yes now it's clean appreciative that and i've been able to keep it clean too okay pretty much by the way um so anyway i get i finally i'm waiting in the cold for like 20 minutes like trying to get into this building i get in there i find the kiosk where i check in and uh turns out i made the appointment at a different dmv oh boy

So, and that, okay. So how far apart are the two DMVs? Oh, 30 minutes apart. So you can't get, even though you're early to the, to the one, you can't make it. I had to reschedule and cancel whatever. So anyway, I found an appointment for later this afternoon. Oh, okay. Good. But the point is like, why does it have to be this way? Why, why does it have to suck so bad?

Like there's got to be, I want to know what, you know, usually it's like Sweden or something. Like what does Sweden do? Right.

How have other countries figured this out, or is it awful everywhere? I'm sure it's something that Dr. Google could figure out for us. I have a feeling, though, that maybe, I mean, this is just a guess, but maybe DMVs in other countries are not, like especially Europe, are not as crowded because they don't drive as much. That's true, yeah. I feel like America is one of the places where people drive the most. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or maybe just anywhere in like North America. We went to the DMV once together.

Yeah. We took our driver's test when we moved to Portland. And I scored higher than you. You did. I was one question away from failing my driving test. Yes, that's right. Wow.

What if I had missed one more question? Yeah. I don't know what I guess I would have to go back later. But some of the things that they it's like, well, what is the what is the weight limit of your car for a class C driver's license? Like stuff like that. Yeah. They ask you like, well, it's kind of silly. You expect me to read the handbook, even though they tell you to read the handbook before your test. I think they do expect that. No. See, but that's a stupid test. Yeah.

You don't ever use that when you're driving. I've been driving how many years? I'm a professional. Mm-hmm.

Sure. Professional recreational vehicle driver. Yeah, there you go. All right. So that was like my morning. That was just a complete waste of time. Bad enough to go to the DMV, then it turns out you're at the wrong DMV. All right. So we're real quick about Mother's Day because I know by the time this comes out, it's like been a couple of weeks after. But here's a question for you that I kind of thought about over the course of the day. Okay. So the goal of the day is,

is really like relaxation. Yeah. Do you, as a mom, feel obligated to let your kids be a part of your day? Yeah. At least a part. Because that's not relaxing. Depending on what's happening, yeah. Right. Take me through the... I don't want to not see my kids on Mother's Day. Like, that's not...

Right. But if, if I'm like, okay, maybe I'll get the kids out of the house, take them somewhere for the afternoon. Is that to you? Is that like, Oh, you're taking the kids away from me. I don't,

It depends. You know, are they in a good mood and are you going to do something fun? So if they're not in a good mood, then please go. They're not in a good mood and we're doing chores. Yeah, go ahead. That's fine. Or you're seeing a movie I don't care about seeing or something like that. Okay. All right. How about it? I just didn't know what the kind of the vibe was for. Well, it's not like I want to be just like sitting in an empty house. You know, I want to I want to.

Do something, but I want it to be something that I want to do rather than just the regular mundane daily chores, parenting. I mean, it's hard for you to answer this, but do you think that would change...

As you as the kids get older? Probably. I would think so, because the reason I want that is because we are in such an intense phase of parenting. Right. So as it gets less intense, you probably want to spend, you know, we have a teenager now, so we're seeing it already. You know, we see her less and less, even though we're all in the same house. Right. So, you know, I think it does flip at a certain point to be like, well, no, I now the special thing is for my kids to come see me.

spend time with my kids. But for this, like ever since they've been babies really, and we haven't hit the end of it yet, it's more about, I don't want to have to make any decisions or be responsible for anything today. Okay. On father's day, they're going to, they're going to have to exercise with me. Oh yeah. Yeah. I'm going to, I'm going to make them do all the things they don't want to do. Yeah. Perfect. They'll love it.

Let me ask you, how do you feel about Mother's Day? Because when our kids were born, like our first baby was really a hard one. And so in that year, we made the deal that on Mother's Day and Father's Day, the person being honored has to do zero baby related things. Right. That's definitely fair. And that's still what we do. Yeah. So...

How do you feel on Mother's Day when now I'm doing zero things and you have to do it all? Oh, uh...

Like as if that's gotten harder as they've gotten older? No, just in general, across time. Oh, I think it's totally fine. Yeah. You know, because here's my hypothesis is like maybe you dread Mother's Day because it's great for the person who's being honored and has to do nothing. But that means the other person has to do both people's roles. Sure. Yeah. You know.

I really actually think it's gotten easier. Yeah, because they're older. Because they're older. You know, they're more self-sufficient. At least one of our kids is self-sufficient. Right, right. And so, you know, it doesn't bother me at all. I'm happy to give you... I mean, come on, it's one day out of the year. Sure. You know, so it's like, you know, how could... There's no way I can complain about, like, giving you one day a year. Okay, well, I'll hand you your payment later.

And I don't, I don't complain. I just, I do it. And because I love you and you're a good, you're a, you're fantastic mom. And, and so like, honestly, sometimes I just, I sit there and think like, what exactly would life be like if it was just me trying to navigate a sixth, a seventh grader. Yeah. And yeah, I don't know. It just, yeah.

It'd be rough. Life would be... You would figure it out. I'd figure it out in my own special way. Yeah, it'd be different. It wouldn't be how I do things, but that's all right. Any other Mother's Day thoughts? Good day for you? It was a great day. Yeah. I enjoyed myself. What do you get out of going to the garden store? I know that's the one place you went. Yeah, that was one of the things I did. I like...

We live in a place where everything is beautiful. Right. Yeah. And everything grows. And so there's so many kinds of flowers and different things. I don't know. I just like it. I didn't ever used to care, but pandemic projects, you know, were a thing for a while. And one of mine was, in fact, it was after your cardiac arrest.

I just started making like container gardens, right? Like, cause we didn't have a yard in that house. And so we just put containers on the patio and I just started like gardening and having house plants and, and I just would kill everything. I had the blackest thumb before that, but I don't know. It was. And I, I'm sure there's a metaphor in there for like, I, I need to see life happening here.

Right. No, I think maybe it was like something in the cosmic universe. And, you know, we're going to say I saved your life and then suddenly I can keep a plant alive. And we're going to talk about the U.S. Surgeon General. So the cosmic, you know, crystals and stuff and all that, you

you know, astrology things. But I think that maybe there's something to that. Okay. We figured it out. Just like it was, that's what it took for you to suddenly not start killing everything you touch. Well, except for the children. Non-human things. Or you can keep an animal alive too. But like, you know, plant life. Yes. Yeah. I don't know. I think I just needed to see lots of cheery, pretty animals.

I'm just something I need to unpack in therapy. Probably. I feel like they're related. Like the cardiac arrest happened and then I start. I didn't make that connection though. Having like flowers all the time. Yeah. I didn't make that connection. That is like after that is when you all of a sudden just got really super into plants. Right. And pots. Yeah. I started finding like every week I'd find a new pot with something growing in it. Yeah.

And that's interesting. Okay. I never, I'm just realizing it in this very moment. Yeah. I mean, I didn't think of it that way at the time, but like looking back, I'm like, there's got to be some connection. See, we're unpacking everything here. Yeah. All right. Let's take a break. We'll come back and talk about some health news.

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Were you aware of this person before the news? Okay. I just didn't know how well-known she was in the social media community. Well, I don't tend to follow grifters on social media. No, but you see them come across your For You page or whatever. But I feel like I'd seen her face before, but never actually heard her name. So anyway...

She was appointed U.S. Surgeon General and making waves in the medical community and very, very polarizing selection. So she went to Stanford, graduated, according to RFK Jr., quote, top of her class, even though there have been several people from her class, from Stanford that say they do not

rank people in that way. So what does that mean? That's a joke I tell. I was top of my class because I knew my testicle was growing another testicle in med school. I was like, I know, I have testicular cancer. But anyway, so they don't really, in med school, almost like any med school, you don't know

a rank. Right. Like it's not, you know, if you're like, there's a, there's an honor society. Yeah. If you're like top, I don't know what it is. 25, 25%, I think it is. So you'll, you'll know if you're like in the top quartile or you probably know if you're,

bottom like really low because maybe you're struggling maybe they have conversations with you the administration or whatever but anyway it's not like or at least that's how it was when we were there it's not like high school you know where you like know what your class rank is or know kind of where you're at relative to your peers yeah and so anyway she graduated med school and then went on to EMT residency at OHSU right up the hill from us and

and left in her fifth year. And this is where like... Wait, fifth year of residency? Fifth year of residency. Okay. Yeah, left, left the program. This is like where it's... I feel like there's like some conflicting information about exactly why she... I don't have a good sense of exactly why she left because like...

On her website, you see it's like she left to go start to... Because she realized she wasn't learning the root cause of disease, which is a buzz term for this functional medicine thing, like learning the root cause of things. Some other places say it was just extreme anxiety. So I totally get leaving...

If you're like, say you're like burned out, like super early, just like realize like you, you don't want to do medicine. Um, it is, it is a little strange to, to, to leave like six months before you finish residency. Um, right. But, uh, so anyway, she did, she left and who knows exactly the reason why. I don't know if we'll ever like truly know. Um, but, uh, and then she started, uh,

She went and did this functional medicine thing and has sold supplements and done some, you know, of their classic like health care, quote unquote, health care professional. Like I'm going to use that that title, that title of, you know, she has an MD to start dabbling in some questionable stuff.

medical things that have questionable evidence or in some cases no evidence at all right so that's where it's it's that's where the polarization comes in because i mean especially with this administration you got there's a lot of emphasis on on finding these the root cause of things right like we're gonna

We're going to outlaw certain dyes and we're going to like red dye 40 and, and seed oils and like none of, none of these things like have like a great amount of evidence. Right. And, and then you got other people that are like, you know, wanting, you know, randomized controlled trials for everything, but also being silent about this. So it's like, there's no, not sure what, um,

what's going to come out of all of this, but it's disappointing because you want people that are leading healthcare on the government level to really be dedicated to evidence. Right. Right, because people are going to take advice from them. People are going to accept- The policies are going to be set because of what they- People are going to accept their-

opinions on things because they're in the position they're in. And so to get conflicting information, to see opinions being stated, freaking RFK Jr. talking about how like HPV vaccine causes cancer. Yeah, it's just ridiculous. Like, come on. What is like, this is, and this is where we're at. And because he is like the head of the HHS, it's like everything below him is

Is a reflection on on him. Right. And so you can't you can't separate out other opinions from people that might have a little bit more sensibility about medicine. But look who their boss is. So they're they're they're going to censor themselves or at least try to stay away from things like vaccines when the head of the whole freaking thing.

Or they're going to leave their job because they refuse to do that. And then that's not a win either because they're no longer in the government. It's really frustrating, especially from people who...

I've gone through medical training and still take care of patients. I know. You know, like, like, I don't know. So it's, it's, it's, it's frustrating. One thing that's really, um, that I pissed people off about, uh, over the last few days, I made a video about raw milk.

Oh, okay. You heard about this raw milk thing? Oh, yeah. Yeah. People, I mean, I knew people growing up who would drink raw milk because I grew up in dairy country and they owned a dairy and they would just go out, get some milk. Did you ever drink raw milk? You never owned, you guys never owned dairy cows. No, we didn't. But I do remember one time I went to one of these friends' houses and that's what they had. So I just wanted a drink. By all accounts, it's delicious.

I didn't notice a difference. But also, pasteurization exists for a reason. So I made a video about... Well, I think it's delicious because it's full fat. Right. Like that has not been removed at all. Right. There's all the fat. So of course it's going to taste amazing.

That's wonderful. So anyway, I made a video like about the rural medicine and talking about everybody should go on my social media platforms. This is when you didn't ask me to approve ahead of time. Sometimes you'll do that. If you're like, is this, can I post this? I knew this was fine. It sounds like it made a bunch of people mad, but maybe just the right people. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, of course. And, and,

And the thing is, like in the video, I never tell people...

explicitly like don't drink it. I just talk about the risks of drinking it. You're just sharing the facts. Yeah. And, and of course, like I have an agenda and it looks like my, I'm trying to make people come to the conclusion that they should not drink raw milk. Right. But man, it got a lot of comments. Honestly, I'm exaggerating a bit. It's like mostly positive, right? It's a very popular video. Um, a lot, a lot of views, a lot of comments. Um,

some of them from the vast majority of like the kind of like people pushing back on it are like, I've been drinking raw milk all my life. Well, isn't that part of the issue? I only get diarrhea every other week. Isn't that part of the issue? And correct me if I'm wrong, because I don't really know. But what I have heard is if you grow up drinking that, you're like gut microbiome and all of that is like accustomed to it. And if you have the proper like

If it's clean, you know, where you're if your facilities are clean and the milk is being sent through clean things and you've grown up drinking it.

That you probably don't have a lot of trouble. Sure. I think it's kind of like wearing a seatbelt in the car. Yeah. Right? Like, it could be like, I haven't worn a seatbelt in 18 years. I've never had an accident. I've never been hurt. Right. You know, it's... It only takes once. Right. And you could die. It could be very, very serious. So, is it more likely that you're going to be okay drinking raw milk?

Probably. Yeah. But like, do you want to take that risk? Right. And, um, but I think there's probably a lot of truth to what you said, where if you grow up drinking, you've been drinking the same raw milk from the same cows, the same part of the country all your life. Like you're probably going to, your immune system, your gut biome is going to be a little bit different than someone. But here's the problem with that is that you got people, you got,

quote-unquote influencers like Casey Means, who are with a very, very large platform, now U.S. Surgeon General, who's going to be telling people, recommending raw milk to people who have not been drinking it all their life. Like all the nuance gets lost, and it's just, here, buy my raw milk. Right, exactly. I mean, for God's sake, the stuff can't be sold in stores. You've got to go directly to a farm. Well, yet...

Right, right. We'll see, right? And it's, have you seen a cow up close? Of course. Have you not? I've seen a cow up close. Yeah. Would you want to drink anything directly out of one of those things? Listen, when you grow up in a rural place, the rules are different. Okay, they get like- You see the world differently. Sure. Lots of people- They're like scratching their udders with their poop-covered-

hooves. It's like, it's gross. There's snot everywhere.

You're not sucking their nose. I'm not saying I want to. I'm just trying to help you understand. It's a different viewpoint than where you grew up. And I grew up around it. And I would never go to a farmer and say, hey, stop drinking your raw milk. Like, that's not the point of this. The point is the mass messaging. Yes. When all the nuances lost and all the subtlety that you need to know in order to stay healthy is gone. Right.

And it's not even so much. It's dangerous. It's not even so much that like the message that raw milk won't hurt you. It's the raw, that raw milk is better for you. Yeah. Too. Right. Than regular, than pasteurized milk. What do they say? They say pasteurization strips off all of the like healthy parts, healthy things about milk, which is, it's, it's.

That's just silly. Objectively not true. You can measure that. Right. Exactly. You can measure the vitamin D, the calcium. So, you know, the amount, I mean, for God's sake, they can measure the amount of fat still in the milk. So they can, you know, you could look at it under a microscope and see what kind of microbes are in there. Right. Speaking of which, can I give you the top five harmful things?

bacteria found in raw milk i would love nothing more all right here we go you ready all right number one we got salmonella okay classic yeah poultry so are we gonna see raw chicken being peddled soon i think i remember seeing a trend on tiktok uh this is probably years ago it was like um chicken uh sashimi oh gross don't do that everyone

People are so wonderful and so awful all at the same time. Cloud is a dangerous drug. So, anyways, salmonella, it secretes an endotoxin, and that can lead to septic shock. Oh, yeah.

A good old ICU stay. Yeah. Lots of antibiotics. So, if you're lucky. All right, Listeria, number two. You heard of Listeria? Of course. Named after one. Listerine. Yep. Joseph Lister. Oh, Lister. A British pioneer of sterile surgery. Yeah. Thank you, Joseph Lister. And has this microbe named after him. Facultative anaerobe.

What does that mean? Well, I know it means no oxygen. Yeah, that means they can live in like, they can live in a no oxygen environment, but they can also live in an oxygen environment. Oh. So it's the facultative. So it's like they can switch. Yeah. They can code switch. Hmm.

But serious illness in pregnant women. That's like listeria is like a big deal. Right. I think that's part of the reason that you can't eat deli meat. You can't eat deli meat. Yeah, exactly. I'm talking to you like you don't already know this. Yeah. As someone who's been pregnant. I had to do that for 18 months, if you remember. Pretty awful gastroenteritis with all of these, but listeria in particular. You can get meningitis.

Bad stuff. Bacteria are no joke. That's what's going to do us in one of these days. I think. Actually, more likely a virus. Bacteria. Well, both of them. We like to think that we're top of the food chain on planet Earth, but it's only because of our brains that we have come up with ways to kill them. If we get rid of all of these ways. Viruses are just a little bit more nimble. They can mutate faster.

Campalobacter, number three. Cool name. Yeah. That's on the camping. Right. Might be fun. You get it while you're camping. Yeah. Is that what it's named after? Campalobacter named after...

Someone who got really sick while camping. This is classic gastroenteritis. This is probably the number one cause of bacterial gastroenteritis in Europe. Fun fact. Oh, interesting. Yeah. Over 246,000 cases annually.

So it's a big deal. Probably not as like deadly as maybe like listeria. But equally unpleasant. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You don't, you know, within 30 seconds of a bathroom, you will be for the next week or two. Yeah. With Campylobacter.

So that's a rough one. Classic, E. coli. Is there anywhere that is not? It seems like it's all over the place. E. coli is a fecal-oral transmission, classic. And this one can give you this hemolytic uremic syndrome. Basically, it just destroys your kidneys and can kill you that way because you kind of need the kidneys to survive. Right, because otherwise you just have all this

toxicity that doesn't get filtered. Exactly. So that's a bad one. Can't you just do a juice cleanse? You know what? Let's ask Casey Means. I think juice cleanses

And that, I mean, that's the thing with all this, like the root cause stuff, because it's like, it's, it's couched in this mistrust of pharmaceuticals. Yeah. And then it, it, it, it. Because they're just trying to make money off of you. Then it progresses to like vilifying physicians because like. Because they're also trying to make money off of you. They want you to be sick. And I understand the idea of like, okay.

why is there childhood obesity? Like, what is the quote-unquote root cause of childhood obesity? Yeah, our food quality sucks in this country, sure. We got additives, we got... Our portion sizes are ridiculous. Yeah, so I understand all that. Yeah. All right, but to use that to like discredit all of pharmaceutical medicine. Like, we're not... Well, and the ironic thing is they're...

Then they go on to sell you some supplements. Right. So who is actually trying to make money on you? That Dr. Means has done several times. Yeah. You can go and find like the supplements and things that she is. So like this is a problem here. I will sell you the solution to that problem. And I don't get that because they are literally saying that.

They are doing the same thing that they are saying is the problem. It's natural, Kristen. But they're selling it to you. But it's all natural. You could go out in the forest and find it yourself. Or I can sell it to you. I just don't understand why so many people don't see the hypocrisy. Well, you know. People are very interesting little creatures. This is my favorite one, though. Okay. Number five. One that I didn't know existed until like a week ago. Okay.

Bovine tuberculosis. Interesting. Is that different from... Drinking raw milk, you can get bovine tuberculosis. What do you think about that? So it's tuberculosis that passes from cows to humans. You know what? Let's take a break and then we'll dig into bovine tuberculosis. Okay. You have to look it up.

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All right, we are back, and I have had a chance to look up bovine tuberculosis. Excuse me while I go check up to date. So, obviously, we are all aware of tuberculosis. I still have to read John Green's book about everything is tuberculosis. I've heard wonderful things about it. Because it's still a problem and probably will be a reemerging problem for much of this country at some point.

Like many other diseases will be. All right. So bovine tuberculosis, it can spread to humans. So it can affect humans. But the main organism is cattle and buffalo. Okay. All right. So don't eat raw buffalo either. Good to know.

But it has been described in sheep, goats, horses, pigs, deer, dogs, and cats. Okay. So like so many things can get bovine tuberculosis. It's not specific to the bovine family. It's just maybe that's where it. It's probably where, well, because we know that it's the most common route of infection for humans is from drinking unpasteurized milk or eating dairy products made from raw milk. Right.

All right. So, and this stuff can get in your, I know this is something I read over the weekend. It can get in your bones. Actually, that's a like tuberculosis that gets in your bones is called Pott's disease. It's like in your spine, like spinal tuberculosis. So a really bad thing. It causes a horrible lung disease. I don't know. I just like anything, any disease that's prefaced by like another animal,

but then it affects, infects humans. It's gotta be bad. Why is that? Bird flu. Yeah. Bovine tuberculosis. Swine flu. Swine flu. Monkeypox. Monkeypox. I'm like, we'll say like whale Ebola. That sounds. It's not going to be good. Whatever it is. So it's just, just don't, I guess the point is just don't drink raw milk.

Do I have to, I don't have to convince you. No. And, and probably people listening to this podcast, you also don't have to convince. Yeah. Um, yeah. Probably preaching to the choir, but you know, there's some information about it. What I'm hoping though, and just looking at all these people that are being hired by this administration to run our healthcare system. Yeah. Is that like some of these people have got to, like they started out like,

Right. Like they have and maybe they were they were they were, you know, you know, enticed by by social media, like following or money or whatever it is. But if they've I feel like if they've gotten to where they want to be, I mean, trying to be very optimistic here. Yeah. That if they've they've got to where they are now, maybe they'll like like tone it back a bit.

You are being very optimistic. I mean, I'm just like, I'm looking for some hope here. Right. I don't know why they would, though, because that's what got them there. So now they have to keep up the shtick. Well, but that's that's a thing in politics, though. Like if you're if you're looking at politics, I know. Well, if you're looking at these people from the point of like politics, I'll give you an example. So.

You know, whenever they have primaries for Democrats and Republicans, it's like all the candidates, they're appealing to their, like, hardcore base. Right. So they're going to be a little bit more extreme.

And then they get the job and then they kind of come back into the middle. But they don't do that because they are reasonable people necessarily. They do that because then that is what that is. It's all based on incentive structure, right? Like the primaries incentivize you to be more extreme. And then when you're actually elected and you're doing that job, the incentive structure is different. So you can behave differently. So is there an incentive structure within this administration's, you know, health care system?

leaders to not be that way. Not one that we're seeing. Maybe just appealing to their humanity because we're talking about human lives. I know. And some of these decisions are going to kill a lot of people. One of the things that struck me

And when I went to Australia recently was their election process. Yeah. So they have, it's a compulsory election system. So everybody has to vote or you get fined. Oh. Yeah. Like is a meaningful fine?

I mean, it's a fine. I don't know, maybe like a hundred bucks. It's not like a lot, but it's like a ticket. Yeah. You get a ticket. You get a ticket. And so it just, and so their voting turnout is quite good. Yeah.

And I think what that does is it keeps people more centered in terms of avoiding extreme beliefs. Yeah. Because if you're going to have the majority of the populace voting, you're not just going to have people who are like hardcore right or left go into the polls. You have to appeal to more of a moderate base. And so you don't, in Australia at least,

I'm sure some of the candidates, I'm not an expert on their candidates or anything, but you've got to have people that just don't express as many of the crazy types of things that some of our candidates talk about. It's stuff like that that can keep some of this stuff at bay. It's a mess.

Yeah. So it's, it's yeah. I'm wanting to be more optimistic. It's my, one of my, one of my Mother's Day resolutions. Let's try to try to look on the bright side. It's getting harder and harder to do that though. And everything is, everything's a cycle though. Like it, it always feels like everything is just going to be whatever it is right now. It feels like it will be that way forever. Like humans are very bad at, at that, you know, we have that

cognitive bias so it will it will probably be bad for a while but eventually the one thing that like really makes me want like feel like i'm losing hope is that um all these people their boss is rfk and he's the worst of them all so they're gonna take his lead and um they're gonna do their

studies, looking at things that have been settled science, like vaccine efficacy. I really want them to understand statistics. If I could pick one thing. Yeah. Like,

Why are there more ADHD diagnoses now? Well, because we learned more about it and because the culture shifted where there was less stigma. So people are like going out and getting checked out. Of course, there's more diagnosed. They don't seem to understand it can work two different ways. I don't know. It's the classic correlation. It's not causation. Yeah.

I guess I'm just going to have to run for office. Man, I would lose so fast, I think. Why? Opposition research. What do you mean? Look at all the shit that I've put on social media. Right, but isn't that why you would get elected? It might also be the reason I don't get elected. Yeah. Well, it's right because everything's polarized. So the people that like that.

Just depends on how many people from each side come up to work. I'll start with our local city government. Okay. How about that? I've become a city councilor. Why don't you start with the PTA? In the mold of... Just start at the school. I don't know. Go up to the city. No, I don't want to be in the PTA. I get a lot of content because I imagine it's like Pawnee. The PTA? No, city council. Oh.

Maybe. I don't know. I've never gone. See, I've already lost my election because people are going to find this podcast and our local community will be like, you think we're like the Pond Citizens of Pawnee. Right. See, already lost. Yep. You should run though. I'd be a great like by your side. First husband. First husband. I have no interest. I'm kind of serious here. In running for any office. Why? Why?

You're well-spoken. You're smart. Well, thank you. But... You're married to a content creator? What other positives could there be? I am too much of a straight shooter in a practical, pragmatic... That's what people want now. I can't... I wouldn't be able to stand working in that field.

Where you have to play so many games and, you know, I am not a game player. You don't like to play games. That's true. I just want to... Everybody tell the truth. You literally don't like to play games. I literally don't. Not even the fun ones. Like Mousetrap. Right. You're like, what's the point of this game? We're just wasting our time. I don't gain anything from this. Exactly. It just makes me mad.

Yeah, see? I couldn't do it. Can't even do board games. I certainly can't do the game of politics. I could at least play Sorry with you so that at least we're apologizing to you. Yeah? For making you play a game. I guess so. So what was your... Did you ever play any games? Trouble? Remember Trouble? Well, yeah, I played them. Where you popped the thing? Uh-huh. I liked popping it more than actually playing the game. The tracks. Yeah. I would just sit there and pop. It was just like stimming. Remember Shoots and Ladders?

I do, yeah. That was a fun one. Did you like that one? I liked that one. I liked Candyland because somehow I always won. Not always, but more than chance would suggest I should have. Candyland is boring as hell. Well, I was five when I liked it, so...

We may need to unpack some of our favorite games in a future episode. Ooh, yeah. It probably says things about an individual, which games they like. Why are we always trying to psychoanalyze ourselves and each other? Because we're pretty messed up. That's all you. That is all you. All right. That's it. Thank you for listening to Clock Talk today. I had a good conversation with you. Yeah, thank you. Are you feeling riled up? No.

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I mean, as good as you can be. I don't think it's ever like super effective. Yeah. And a lot of physicians are being asked to multitask. Yeah. All the time. It's true. You're on the computer. You're typing away. You're looking at labs. You're trying to listen to the patient. You're doing all these things. That's just, it's not effective. Yeah. But it can help though, you know? What?

Microsoft Dragon Copilot. That can help. Yes, absolutely. This is your AI assistant for workflow and documentation. It helps automate tasks. You can summarize notes and evidence, prep your orders. It can draft referral letters. That's pretty cool. Yeah. And with after-visit summaries as well. You get an after-visit summary. I do. I always read them too. Yeah. I'm a very good student.

Microsoft Dragon Copilot can help you make that. Yeah, that's pretty sweet. I wish I had one of these things for like my job. Yeah. That'd be really nice. Running glockenflecken. Yes. It's a lot of work to make it where you are, you know, presentable to the world. Absolutely. To learn more about Microsoft Dragon Copilot, visit aka.ms slash knock knock high. That's aka.ms slash knock knock high.

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