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We’re Burnt Out on Burnout Training | Dr. Jillian Horton

2025/5/20
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Will Flannery:我认为“福祉”这个词被过度使用,开始失去意义。我们需要重新审视它在医疗保健中的重要性,并探讨如何真正改善医疗保健领域的士气。我们应该采取一种基于证据的方法,而不是简单地提供披萨之类的福利。 Krista Flannery:每个人对“职业满足感”的定义都不同,这与医学诊断不同,后者通常采用清单式的方法。我们不能试图用通用的方法来规定“职业满足感”,例如,只要有足够的睡眠和营养就应该没事。此外,将医学作为一种使命的想法武器化,让那些没有这种感觉的人觉得自己不专业,这让我感到困扰。 Jillian Horton:我们对“职业倦怠”感到厌倦,我们需要心理安全,而“复原力”这个词也被过度使用。“福祉”不仅仅是没有疾病,不仅仅是逃离不健康的环境或享受美好的假期。我通常会谈论“职业满足感”,它是一种幸福感、满足感、目标感和意义感在生活中存在的标志。我们应该从医生和医护人员的角度来理解“职业满足感”,并开始关注为了在这种工作中体验充实的生活需要什么。Adam Grant 提出了三种工作模式:工作只是一种手段,一份职业,一种使命。我们也有一些时刻,一些小时,希望不仅仅是短暂的时刻,那是一种使命。重要的是,我们能做的,我们能控制的,我们的看法如何影响事情。

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The hosts discuss the overused term "wellness" and its loss of meaning. They introduce Dr. Jillian Horton, who offers a fresh perspective on wellness, focusing on fulfillment rather than happiness, and its importance in healthcare.
  • Wellness is more than the absence of disease.
  • Fulfillment, as opposed to happiness, is a better goal for well-being.
  • Young healthcare professionals are reevaluating what medicine should look like.

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If you’ve ever rolled your eyes at the word “wellness,” same. But this week, we sat down with Dr. Jillian Horton—physician, author, speaker, and actual expert on burnout and fulfillment—to talk about what wellness actually means… and why most organizations keep getting it very, very wrong.

We talk about the burnout industrial complex, how “pizza-based wellness” is hurting morale more than helping, and why fulfillment might be a better goal than happiness. Jillian also shares why young doctors are reevaluating what medicine should look like—and how calling it a “calling” is sometimes just a fancy way to underpay you.

Also: medical comedy fellowship, anyone?

Takeaways:

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What even is wellness anymore? And why does it feel like another task?

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Pizza is not a wellness plan. Especially if it comes with mandatory attendance.

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Burnout isn’t your fault. But you’re probably being told it is.

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Jillian introduces us to the Stanford Fulfillment Model—and it actually makes sense.

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Humor isn’t just a coping tool—it’s resistance, connection, and sometimes survival.

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