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If you think you might be struggling with OCD, visit NoCD.com to schedule a free 15-minute call and learn more. That's NoCD.com. Welcome to Guys We Fuck, the anti-slut-shaming podcast. I'm Christina Hutchings. I'm Corinne Fiske. You're slutty. You're horny. Hey, you a slut? Yes. Okay. Let's talk about

Well, hello there, citizens of planet Earth. What a time to be alive, huh? How you doing? Welcome to another exciting, adventurous episode of Guys, We... It's the anti-slut-shaming podcast. I'm Corinne Fisher. I'm Christina Hutchinson. Make sure to check out these full episodes on YouTube. It's youtube.com slash guyswefisher.

F-C-K-E-D. Yeah, it's that. And you can follow us on social media. I'm at Philanthropy Gal. I'm at Christina Hutch. And Eric. I'm at Eric Freddy. Nice. Hello. And if you want to email us, it's sorryaboutlastnightshow at gmail.com. Our inbox has been...

lately. Give us more, please. Today's subject line and- Also, before we go on, could I just say, just reminding people to send in music because we're always looking for new music. Oh, yeah. Did you have the inbox on your phone or something? Yes. Okay, because there's a ton of music submissions. Yes, but I just want to keep reminding people every few weeks so that people keep sending it. Okay. I thought you were going to interrupt with your tour dates and I was like, boom. No, that's fine.

Okay, this subject line, and I changed the name on these just in case, you know what I mean? The subject is need help slash advice for breaking up with my girlfriend who is really in love with me. Well, you know what? Maybe she's not as in love with you as you think. I see. I read. Oh, no. Poor guy. Poor girl. Let's go. Talk about clippable moments right there.

Oh, there's going to be some clippable moments. Just you stay tuned. Is it a pun? Yeah, it is. You'll get it in a second. Hi, Corinne and Christina. I've been a fucker since 2018. I love the show. My name is, and I changed it, Dan. I'm 26. I've been dating my girlfriend, Amanda, 27. Wait, maybe he didn't change it on purpose because he wanted us to do his dirty work for him.

So good thing you did change your Christina. So we're not. And that's why I changed it. Wow. For your privacy. Because he knows that we know that men don't break up with their girlfriends. Yeah. Because you listen to the show. Oh, using our own knowledge. Even when a psychic tells them to. For a little over three, been dating my girlfriend, Amanda, a year older than you, 27, for a little over three years. And we have been living together for about two. When we first started.

Dating. I lived with my parents and she lived with hers and we both saved up money so that we could find a place together. Around five to six months of living together, she quit her job due to some health issues. I was very supportive of this decision because I wanted her to focus on her health and get better. Also, I was able to get a lot of overtime at work at the time. So financially, we were surviving.

He heard that and he was like, I'm out.

Absolutely not. If that fat didn't dim titties, then walk those melons out of here. So plan was for her to lose some weight and get a breast reduction surgery. Good plan. Yeah. So convenient for you. No, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I was also very supportive of this as well. When we first started dating, we were both big stoners. But to help with the exercise and the weight loss, we both quit smoking. Oh, see, I love exercising stone, but that's another topic for another day. And I mainly quit to be supportive.

Well, that's very nice of you. I also told her that it would be okay if she didn't work for a bit to just adjust to a new diet and exercise plan. Well, fast forward to now, she hasn't made an effort to lose weight, which I'm not trying to body shame. I still find her beautiful or to find a new job while I'm working 40 plus hours to pay for everything.

After about six months of not doing anything, I have confronted her about getting a job, even suggesting to maybe just do something part-time because it's getting tough paying for everything and I'm not able to save money at all. It's also wild that she was able to just like not work to diet and exercise. I wish I could do that. That sounds great. But then when she wasn't working, she didn't do either of those things. What was she doing? She claims –

She can't find a job she's interested in. Yeah, welcome to being an adult. Yeah, that doesn't really matter right now, does it? You do one that you're not interested in while you figure out what you want to get interested in because the interesting things usually don't pay money unless you're very, very, very, very successful. So you got to work at the reception desk at Oasis Day Spa while you figure it the fuck out. Hey, you just got to suck it up and know your mission. Yeah. Horrible podcast I produced before this.

Oh, he was saying that was his job. That was Eric roughing it before that. When I was like 19, I was doing it for $25 and it was like everything. Yeah. I mean, it's – yeah. The thing is what's your main goal? Is your main goal to like get out of a certain situation so you need financial – we need financial backing? Well, get yourself that financial backing. It's never going to be a job you love.

Ever. Okay, she claims she can't find a job she's interested in and that no one reaching back out to her. I understand the job market. I want to see her emails. Me need job. Yeah.

With a W. I understand the job market is tough right now, but I think a part-time job somewhere would have hired her by now if she was actually looking. I'm going to agree. I think you're right, sir. I think you're right. I'm starting to feel like I've been taken advantage of because I pay for everything. I cook her healthy dinners when I'm off work. See, this is your problem. Stop doing this shit. I work half of the cleaning. I do half of the cleaning while she just stays at home and plays video games. Occasionally, we will go on...

on a walk. Occasionally she will go on a walk. Occasionally she will go on a walk. Like a dog. Yeah, Jesus. That sounds terrible, dude. I've also changed my lifestyle quite a bit to support hers. I don't smoke anymore and honestly, I really want to. I mean, you should. You don't have to...

Like, Jesus Christ, dude. Go smoke your weed. I also have to – I also just have to work so much. I don't have the time or energy to appreciate my hobbies. That's fucked up. Or even spend time with friends. Also, I feel like she's like probably smoking weed while he's doing all this. There's no way she's not at home all day with a video game console and not exercising and doing – eating food. Shit.

She's smoking weed. And if she's not smoking weed, she's eating edibles. Yeah. A hundred percent. This reeks of story. I can't just like, yeah, I can't just imagine just an adult woman sitting home playing video games sober. When you're somebody who loves weed and you're home all day and there's weed, you're not going to not smoke it. Yeah. You're just not. Yeah. So I'm asking for help because I want to end this before I build up a large amount of resentment. I mean, boy, it sounds like you already have some. I resent her a little bit. I resent her.

So I imagine you have some maybe suppressed resentment there because how could somebody not, right? But I'm scared because she's totally dependent on me and is madly in love with me. I don't know if she's madly in love with you. I actually don't think

I don't think she's madly in love with you. I think you do everything for her. She wouldn't be so fat and lazy around you if she was madly in love with you. Oh, when I'm madly in love, I'm going to the gym. I look snatched. I look snatched as shit. During that falling in love phase, and you've been together for what, three years? So it's not that long. Who's madly in love three years? Madly? Madly, yeah. Come on.

I think she's madly in love with that lifestyle you're giving her. Yeah. She's madly in love with not working. And I mean, look, I'll be madly in love with you too. Me too. Me too. I'll fucking love the shit out of you. I'll give you blowjobs every day if that's what you provide for me. That's amazing. I love her too.

Oh, okay. Let me read this again. So I'm asking for help because I want to end this before I build up a large amount of resentment. But I'm scared because she's totally dependent on me and is madly in love with her. Me. I love her too. She's like the best friend to me, but our situation isn't working for me anymore. And I'm lost on what to do. Love everything you two do. Okay.

I mean, she is dependent on you, but you continuing to enable her is actually the least loving thing you can do. So breaking up with her will be good for her and good for you. Two winners. Yeah. So I would say, I mean, you live together. So you weren't living with your parents that long ago. I don't know what your relationship is like with your parents, but if it's pretty cool and they're not like a huge dent into your mental health, then...

then I think that you both have a backup plan. You can go to your parents immediately. I don't know when your lease is up, but just pull the Band-Aid off, man. This is not working. And also, you can't be attracted to her. She's not...

like yo when someone I mean I guess I'm assuming guys care about this yeah you gotta live up to your potential and like get out there and find opportunities for yourself and be a go-getter and be hungry for something except the food at her house that she keeps eating when she's probably stoned when you're at work and she's playing video games but also he doesn't even need

to worry about his living situation. He's paying the rent 100% already so he can stay in this apartment and she can go back to mommy and daddy. That's true. And you can get a roommate or I mean your expenses will still go down because you won't be paying for her food. I mean that sounded rude. I didn't mean it

food is expensive and the electricity and the water bill I'm assuming you guys pay like two people taking showers versus just one person taking a shower totally different water bill the lights and the video games will be off while you're working yeah huge perk huge perk yeah and I think yeah you've lost I think you're not saying this but I'm wondering too is she giving you the ick yeah you don't want to fuck her because she sits at home and she's lazy and plays video games all day yeah

No one wants to fuck that. Yeah, no one. Nobody. Yeah. And yeah, I agree with Corinne. I think even though it feels cruel, you got to remind yourself that breaking up with this person, this person's not right for you and you're not right for her and it is the most loving thing you could possibly do. She might, you know...

give some little like zhuzh it up, zhuzh the breakup up because she's trying to get you to stay. But just keep when that happens before you go into the conversation, during the conversation and after. Just remind yourself. She doesn't love me that much.

I just really don't think she does. Like, I don't want to be rude, but I just like this, like doesn't speak to someone who I think there's too much going on in her own life for her to be madly in love with you. I think she's madly dependent on you. I think, and I think sometimes that can come across as love, but I truly don't think someone exhibiting these behaviors towards themselves even is, is madly in love with anything.

No, because when you're madly in love, you get off your ass. Yeah. And you do stuff. Yeah. And it's just every day is just brightly colored and every like it's it's sunny even when it's raining when you're madly in love. You know what I mean? That is a rain cloud over this girl. And, you know, that sucks. But I think that getting dumped by you might be the best thing that'll ever happen to her. Yeah. So and you, you know, seem amped to do it. Then you can smoke some weed to celebrate. Yeah. Oh, my God. Smoke a fatty. You're gonna get so stoned. Hell yeah. So thank you for writing in.

Appreciate you. Appreciate you. All right, Corinne. So let's give the YouTube listeners some bang for their buck. Yeah. Okay. Well, Eric's going to get on the camera. So, you know, guys, it's really been a time of being,

beauty transparency we saw kylie jenner reveal her exact measurements that she went to garth fisher to get uh her boobs done and then chris jenner chimed in and she was like yeah he did my first facelift and did a great job that second one pretty dope though yeah i mean that one looks amazing consistently in a wind tunnel but in a good way she's like always on a roller coaster

So, you know, I just felt that in the spirit of beauty transparency that I would have Christina Hutchinson cut out my extensions today. Do I know what I'm doing? Yeah. No. You'll figure it out, though. And, you know, much apologies to my hairstylist. You're probably not going to appreciate when you see this, but I just didn't really have an idea for what I wanted to do with my hair next. And these extensions got to come out. And quite honestly, I was just being cheap. And I'm like, I don't want to spend and make the trip expensive.

I physically didn't want to make a trip for you to just cut these out. And then we go to go, I don't know what I'm doing right now. Yeah. And, um, let me say they're pretty tangled. So you'd probably be pretty upset. Um, but you know, I, that's my, that's my fault. I don't know what I did this time. I think the mayoral race, uh, you know, crept into my hair in the middle of the night and I'm not, I can't. Andrew Cuomo came into Corinne Fisher's house and tangled her extensions. You know what? Actually. Yeah. Andrew Cuomo did tangle my extensions. That,

So his mind ball sacked face of the man mind. Yeah. So sorry. Extensions like he filled up all those cities in his women who worked for him. That means that if you're in New York City, please go to Wanderlust and work with Angela because she does wonderful work. But it's just too hot now that it's summer and I got to get these. OK, so you need to tell me what I'm doing. OK, so.

So there, I never, I believe the thread this time is white from what I've seen. There's one on this. There's, so there's two rows of cutting the actual thread. You're cutting the thread. Don't cut the hair, but it should all be white or there might be black thread in there, but I think it's white, which is actually easier to see on my scalp. Cause my root is dark. Yeah. Um,

The only time I've ever cut my hair is when my mom was in a mental hospital and it would mat so hard and I didn't know how to brush my hair, but I lied to my dad and I tell him I did. And I would go in the hair with the mats in my hair and I'd have to cut them out myself because I was too embarrassed. So I have experience with scissors. Yeah. Hone your skills. Should we move this so that I don't know if that's going to help. Um, I'd say just move your mic. I'll move my mic down. Go down.

with it. Yeah. And like, and so this part's already flopping. I don't see it's two rows of extension. One, the first one is the one that's really falling out. Like you can always see it starting here, but on the right side of this is all fake hair, right? Uh, right. That's the extension. I mean, let's hope. Yeah, this is, this is your hair, isn't it?

that long this is fake hair well how long is your actual hair like this long my I think this is my actual hair okay for some reason I had it I don't know anything about extensions because I I can never get them because of the curls but I thought that when you had extent okay got it what did you think I thought that like everybody would extensions had like like chin length hair and then you put the okay you can't I mean you can yeah okay

Um, I don't know anything about extensions. And then, well, also the extensions, like you could tell they're a little more damaged because they were treated like more. Um,

And then, yeah, it's pretty naughty. Something happened. I'm worried about my real hair looped into the extension over here. That's what I'm worried about. I had fourth, fifth, and sixth grade were the years that I went to school with matted hair. And I did wash my hair today, so hopefully it wouldn't be weird. Because you can't fully clean the extension part. See, that's another reason why I can't get it. Do you want a phone video of this as well? Do you want...

I might as well. Oh, weird. And then there's like little brown things. Those are just like the little things holding in the thread. Oh, see, you got a mat. And I'm very well versed with this. Oh, perfect. I came to the right place. Yeah, because you got it. You got to like break it up little by little. Because I just didn't even know what to do. So I'm taking out. This is so fascinating.

So I'm just cutting the actual white thread part? Yeah, is that the only color thread you see? I see white and blue. They're both wrapped around the top of this extension right here. Yeah, anything that's thread that's not my hair, you can cut. Got it, got it. You're not going to damage anything. Wow, I feel like I'm time traveling back to... Because the extensions are reusable, but I fear this top piece is not going to be reusable. Yep, I got it, got it, got it.

Okay, now while I'm doing this, I'll say also in the name of beauty, transparency, I tried the lip flip where you get Botox the top of your lip. Oh, I've gotten that. Okay, well, I've never gotten that. I've never heard of it before. It's very slight, yeah. Yeah, which is what I was looking for. It's like, girl, people treat you nicer when you're hotter and every woman knows that. So I was like, let's try this lip flip.

I didn't know. You can't fucking suck on a straw. You can't purse your lips with lip flip. I could barely like, what do you mean you can't suck on a straw? I couldn't. They flipped it too hard, Christine. Well, they did because I'm like, I couldn't suck on anything. I'm like, doc, are you serious? Not called Dick singing lips. Wait. So how long ago did you get it? That you're, it already wore off. So I got it about like two months ago, three months ago. Yeah. Like that.

I feel like lip filler doesn't really last a long time. My body, it was the flip. I know, but my body metabolizes anything near the lip. I don't have anything in my face right now. That's where I'm like, Ooh, lip filler might be cute because then it does, it goes away. So it's like a bad haircut. Like it'll grow back. It's fine. Like the filler will go away.

But who knows? Okay. I see. Okay. I feel it loosening already. We're doing a good job. Well, cause I was just like, I have so much experience cutting and it started like it starts in hanging at your hair. And then I was worried I was damaging my regular hair. I don't think it, I don't think it is. Yeah. I actually quite like extensions. It's been overall pretty positive experience, but it's just, it's just too hot in the summer. Um,

I love, I was telling you this. I don't think I told you this on the mic. We're talking about this on the mic, but you want, you originally brought it up on the mic. You're like, Oh my, wow. People, people are like perplexed about how you look better blonde. And you're like, yeah, everyone looks better blonde. Yeah. Like that's not even a compliment. I actually, it's so funny because I saw one that I forgot who it was, but there's like one famous person I saw who's less good looking blonde than she is Bruna. But I think it's because she, I can't remember. It's just because she's like so, so, so pretty is the reason though. Oh,

That's like basically the reason. She looks hot with any hair, go ahead. Like she's just so, you know, extravagant. And I mean, I think it's like, you know, I was just going to say Selena Gomez. She looks better with dark hair. She does. But she can pull off longs. But Shakira...

That blonde looked great on Shakira. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Shakira looks great blonde. Shakira's so hot. Blonde Shakira. That changed Shakira. I know. That like made her – She was singing – She was not even singing English language albums as a brunette. They said we're not interested. She got the World Cup. Yeah. She got the World Cup. She has a – She had the theme song for the World Cup in 2012. Oh, really? That's one of my favorite Shakira songs. So – Oh, OK. That's – So my friend K-Naw – I love that song. I think had a World Cup theme song.

Yeah, Shakira's World Cup theme song used to be like my get like out of bed and go song. So this is something I just took out. Yeah, that's those are the little like holders just so that the threads like don't push down. Oh, so this is how extensions go. Yeah, see, I was saying. There's different kinds. There's like you can tape or glue them, but mine are sewn in. Right. So there's different kinds. Oh, okay. Yeah, I could never get them because...

Well, yeah, I think that I think it would tangle with your curls when it got wet. It would be really hard for you to get it out. So, I mean, I guess, you know, you know what you could do. I've seen people do this online. If you wanted to get them, you could.

separate them with scrunchies before you got them wet and wash them in sections. I know. I don't know. I know. It looked like a, anybody listening to this who has curly hair knows vacations are different. Traveling is different. Everything's just different when you have curly hair, you have to like really, I mean, you need time, you need, it's, it's, it is so much maintenance. That's why I like, I love blow drying mine, um, straight. Okay. So this is in, and I'm not quite sure. Okay.

Okay, so this is almost out. I'm doing a great job. Maybe since we're halfway through this, let's get a photo for the Instagram to promote the episode. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Get a photo. Get this on the gram. I was like, I'm too old for my neck to be in this position, but, you know. For the gram. Okay, so I see.

How does this feel going in versus going out, Corinne? Does it feel like you're like a – when I get my haircut, even though it doesn't get that long, I just feel like a lightness. Yeah. Well, it does feel a lot lighter. I was worried that having extensions in, I would be uncomfortable all the time. It's really not. The only thing is I can't wear like a baseball cap with extensions because my hair is just too big for all my hats. And it doesn't sit correctly.

So that was the only, yeah, thumbs down. And like the first couple of days, it's like a little tight on your head. So sleeping like with your back on the pillow, you know, you kind of feel the way when you ever watch one of those videos of like dolls getting made in the factory where they thread their hair into their scalp. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like the plot, like a plucky. Yeah. Like, so imagine what the, I imagine what that doll would feel like and that's how it kind of feels laying on it the first couple of days. So I just sleep on my side. Oh,

But then, yeah. And then, you know, ultimately when you're at like the six week mark or however fast your hair grows, you can start feeling it like fall out and it just feels like you're walking around with just like garbage falling. Do you have grays? No. What the fuck? Not unless you see them. What? I don't see. No, I don't. If you see them, then I do. Dude, I get gray hair. Maybe it's because I smoke.

I think it's genetic. My grandma isn't even fully gray and she's like turning 90 this month. Oh my God. More presents from Nancy. Yeah. I mean, I think that, yeah. Cause I, well, yeah, yeah. Cause I believe hair stuff is from your mom's side. Well, well when I, yeah, my, my biological father had a Jew fro. So I actually don't know. You got the, you got the hard one out.

Oh my God. Wow. Now there is, this one has like a, like there's a matted area on your hair, but, uh, so impressed. Ooh. Oh, and there's like, yeah. Cause I was like, there's still like the black gray in there from the top. Cause I've had these three different colors. Should paint on the wall. Yeah. Can you save it for later? Or we can mail it to Cuomo.

I mean, and with no context, I paid $100 for these. So I think I'm just like, Oh, you should keep them. Cause I can still use them. I might, I just, I just always take them out in the summer. Your actual hair still has some stuff in it, but I'm imagining you can wash that out with, you know, like when you take a shower. So wait, but there's, you know, when you have conditioner in your hair and it makes it like smooth as shit, you'll put these in Cuomo's trash outside his house. Okay. So like really lean down. Okay.

Wait, what did you say, Eric? He said go put these in Cuomo's trash outside his house, see if that creates any problems for him. Oh, my God.

Yeah. So wait, was Andrew Cuomo – he must have been married at one point. I mean he has kids, so yeah. I'll do some research right now. Yeah, do some research. Well, it was funny because on the mayoral – on the first debate, one of the last questions they asked is how much do you pay a month for either renting or owning? And he said it so fast. He was like $7,800, but it's – he's $7,800. Yeah.

And not to mention, that's like the apartment he basically kicked one or more of his daughters out of because he's been living in Westchester supposedly for the past, I don't know, 30 years. Okay, this is his...

He was married from 1990 to 2003. Oh. And then he later dated a Food Network host from 2005 until September 2019. Who? Sandra Lee. Sandra Lee. I watch a lot of Food Network and I don't know who that is. She's out there. Sandra Lee. Sandra Lee. Want to come on the podcast? Talk shit? Do a roundtable with her and his ex-wife. Sandra Lee.

I'm thinking of Sarah Lee. Oh, yeah. And also, I'll tell you this too because that's what I want to talk about. I went to a wedding this weekend. First of all, when two artists get married, those are the only weddings I want to go to.

They're so enjoyable. And they're both singers. But I told a guy after the wedding, I'm like, out of every wedding I've been to, that's the best vows I've ever heard of a straight man. One of the things he said that I was like, was I promise to always be curious about you. I'm like, that's all we fucking want, dude. And you just said it. Like all of his vows, I was like snapping. I was making a lot of noise in the background.

And he was like, shut the fuck up. But I was like, yes, King. Just because that is amazing. And I don't see the point in having kids for me personally, but I totally see the point in a wedding.

We need more community events where we all come together. That's like not a wedding and not a funeral. I agree. Like what the fuck? Like it is so spiritually uplifting. It's good for your soul. It's good for your heart. It's good for your sense of self, your self-esteem to have events where we all come together. And it's not, it's so rare. We need to start making like,

I don't know if we need to like make a fake occasion or what, but like we really need to get on that. Well, that's why I like the astronaut that I follow her mom through her, like a, you know, a shower for her next mission into space. So like kind of like career showers and stuff like that. I think if you pass like the bar exam, you should definitely get a party or some kind of event of an event. I mean, Kim Kardashian, she did just pass the bar. So they did a little event obviously. And I, I,

Yeah, I'm trying to – yeah, but I'm like what other events – and like I think more events to celebrate people who maybe are succeeding in ways that are less –

socially traditional. Yeah. Cause like career is still pretty socially traditional. I mean, you know, I think there's a lot of thing, people who get behind sobriety is a good one. But I think also maybe you don't need to hit rock bottom to be celebrated. It's also a problem that I have with society. You don't need to hit rock bottom. You don't have to marry somebody and you don't have to push a human being at your poos in order to have a party for yourself. I do like what the Egyptians would do. Well,

What would they do? I love that. Of course. Tell us more. Their calendar was 360 days, and then the last five days were just for partying. It was just like a five-day celebration that they do at the end of the year. Yeah, that's what they say. I think it's like party like an Egyptian or dance like an Egyptian. It's for that.

Dance like an Egyptian. It's walk like an Egyptian. You're talking about the bangles song? Yeah, I think that's where that comes from. I love the bangles. Let me do some research before I just start making wild accusations. Okay, so wait, did you just present us with the fact that you're not 100% sure if it's true? The fact is true. I thought that there was a term that was like part of an Egyptian. Oh, there might be, but I'm like, the song is walk like an Egyptian. Yeah, I was just making the connection.

Which I feel like is a song that is so good, but that could absolutely never be made today. No. The Egyptians would do that, though. Would party. Yeah, they would have the five-day party at the end of the year. That's sick. Which I think that maybe like a quarterly thing.

A quarterly party? Yeah, like a quarterly – it's like a break. Every three months you get one day where it's like work just like relaxes. I feel like all the holidays are like condensed or at least like the West. They're all like kind of condensed. They are condensed and then you have to spend so much time with family and I go, well, this isn't really a party. Yeah, it sucks. I like my party – my family but it's still like not – it doesn't feel like a party. Yeah.

Yeah. And it's all between end of October and end of December. It's all like two months. I miss house parties. Oh, I love house parties. I love house parties. I was thinking of having a 4th of July when I had it. I was thinking about if I wanted people in my house again or not. There was a couple of years that I just didn't want people in my space. Yeah. So I have to figure it out. But I have been thinking about it because, you know, I feel like with my new backyard, I was already the designated house.

So now these little thingies like that one, this one came out the square thingy. Do I have to get those out? I can't really get some of these out there. They're attached to your actual hair. Oh, oh, yeah. No, I mean, like you, you can like just hold the root and pull them. But if you don't feel comfortable, you don't have to. They'll fall out. I'll feel I'll feel them. And honestly, when I brush my hair, a lot of times they just go flying. Okay, fuck. Yeah.

Because I can't really feel them. It's just, it was like the weight of the extensions falling out of my head and the heat of them. Because, you know, Beyonce has extensions. I wonder what she, well, also she grew up with a hair salon because Miss Tina was an owner. Oh. That's where she practiced her first. Like she would clean up the hair salon. She would entertain the guests and she would sing for the guests and just everything. Yes.

And Miss Tina has her book out, her matriarch book. And fucking I saw they had like this huge – they put an ad over – not over but just under the clock tower of Big Ben. I'm like – Oh, wow. That's incredible. Yeah.

guys don't really have like women have i know guys go to the barber but it takes like two seconds like women always kind of famously say like you know your hair stylist is your therapist you know just because you have like these lengthy conversations because these things take so long guys don't really have like a thing in their life that takes long do they not commitment who wants that zingers today

No, I don't like as far as like, like bodily upkeep. I don't, I don't, I don't think so. Like where you're in the presence of another man because you need a service from him. That's not really a thing for guys. Maybe like, I guess you would get their nails done, their makeup done, their hair done. Like so many things take the amount. I mean, that's where I think the patriarch is keeping it down. Oh, I agree. I think about that all the time. The amount of money and time we spend. Now, granted,

I love feeling hot. I love it. I love it for me. I don't love it for a man. I don't love it to get laid. I don't love it for anything except me. It just feels good. It feels good to feel like as beautiful as you feel on the inside, you know, but God damn is so much time. Yeah. If it wasn't so costly and time consuming, I would have everything done all the time.

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One time I got – when the nail salon was like super packed, I got – they did my nails on my hands the same time I was in the pedicure chair. And I was like, is this what it's like to be a celebrity? Oh, yeah. I actually – I feel like I don't like that because I can't like – I like to enjoy the two experiences separately. Yeah. Well, you can't really enjoy like the foot massage part when someone else is just like – Yeah. Yeah.

I will say when I did like the modeling stuff, I did enjoy them cleaning up my fingernails. That was a very enjoyable experience. Yeah, that's nice. You can get a nail brush. Well, they would like cut off all like the dead skin around it. Oh, the cuticle. Yeah, I like that. Cutting the cuticles. And then they'd like soak them in hot water. And then, yeah. I had a friend who was – you know how we have your friends that like –

You just have to take – they think you have to take their advice. My one friend was like, you never get your cuticles cut at the nail salon because you don't know if they sanitize it or not. I know they come in a little pack. And like her and I would go to get our nails done together. This was years ago. And she would just like give me a lecture. I'm like, you're making me only want to get my cuticles cut. Yeah. I love getting my cuticles cut. Me too. She just had a bad – I'm like, sorry you got an infection, Rachel. It does happen from time to time, but you just got to be like, yeah, I'm going to get my cuticles cut.

We are so close. Are there any qualities you look for in a hairstylist or a barber? I feel like I – Good hang. I always look for – Their hair is good. Someone who's neurotic and not bald. Yeah. Well, I need – because my hair is just a wild card. So I need somebody to have better taste in the future of my hair than I do because I don't know. I don't even know what's possible. Visionary. Yeah. Yeah.

also god it's just like that's why I have this bit on stage where like my ideal romantic partner would be a really hot blind guy because you don't have to you know he likes you for you and you don't have to like you know all the upkeep you know you're doing for you you're not doing for him because he can't see your face but I'm like man I would just the amount of times I would spend so much less time on my hair

So this is it, right? Yeah, that should be good. Yeah, I think she's so two together. Woo! I knew you could do it. I have full faith in you, Christina. Thank you. Well, I get, I don't know if this is ADHD, but I get like a, I have a hyper focus thing. Feels good. Where I can like zoom in on something and time goes away. Like I was just in the flow state. Oh yeah, I feel all those. Oh my God, those are really stuck in my hair, those little things. Yeah, there was like,

I don't even know how that's going to cut out. So I don't know how your hair responds to conditioner, but like my hair could be like matted and fucked up. But if I put a shitload of like a mask. Oh, so this knot is in my own hair? Yeah. I'm really good with those too.

Because I was a caveman child. What do I do? Raising myself. Cut away from there. That's crazy. I literally had mats in my hair and then I went to school with brown lip liner and light tan lipstick. How old were you? Like fifth, sixth grade. Oh, I thought you were going to say five. And I was like, why were you wearing lipstick at all? Oh my gosh. Ooh, this is a big ass knot. Okay. Wow. Wow. We'll worry about that on a rainy day. Yeah. So that was just for the, yeah.

It feels like a scam that we were just trying to get people to watch YouTube. But honestly, I thought it would be interesting and I really did genuinely need it done. So I never knew what extensions like looked like. Like what did the root of them look like? Well, these are, so this is a real person's hair. Yes. Yes. It's, you know, now does that bother you with like the energy of somebody else's hair or no,

because I feel like once it's uh once it's washed it becomes mine okay I mean we're constantly you know buying food that other people made and put their energy in and clothes other people sewed and oh that's true that's true that's true yeah the only thing I won't use is like I won't use like you know like um I don't accept like woo woo stuff from people I don't know yeah

That's it, though. Totally. All right, guys. Well, guess what? There's two other places that you can hear us if you're interested. Yeah. One is called Without a Country. One's Without a Country. We live stream every Wednesday at 9 p.m. Eastern time on YouTube. And we have I've been covering all the mayoral debates. So I did one yesterday.

that I'm really proud of. If you're interested, if you're a New York voter, and even if you're not, if you're just interested in municipal politics and what a mayoral debate is like, this first one was the one that I most likely would have financially qualified for the further ones I wouldn't have. But yeah, I did a watch along of it as part of a, without a country, but it's a standalone piece. And I think it really gives really good, accurate information. Actually, this journalist from, um,

a pretty high level media outlet who I follow her work and I talk about her on without a country a lot just DM me earlier because she said, I watched your mayoral debate coverage and I thought it was excellent. And I was like, Oh my God, I can't believe this.

I feel so honored. So, you know, you just never know who's watching your work. And I'm like, because I was just saying all weekend how proud I was of this particular piece I did. But it's such a niche audience. Like most people don't even watch the debate period hard stop. So they're definitely not going to watch me commenting on it. But I do feel like I was like the most qualified person in the city to host a mayoral debate.

you know, debate watch along. So if you're interested in getting a lot more information about the voters and kind of like behind the scenes stuff, go watch that on YouTube. Yeah. And I have a Patreon where once a week I do a, uh, over zoom for one hour, I do group what I call share peaks. I'm not a licensed therapist, so it's called share a peanut therapy. Um, but we get into it and I got to say the conversations lately, they've always been great, but, um,

There's such quality humans on these Zooms and they're coming in with like really interesting – one, you guys come to the table with like really interesting like concepts you want to explore, things that you're going through that are really hard. And so we have these like philosophical discussions but we also do like live – it's advice and the audio lives on Patreon as like kind of like a mini podcast, a group therapy podcast.

um, after every session. But there was a girl who came in. Um, she is very accomplished. And, uh, I think I might've talked about this last week. I'm not sure, but her boyfriend was really into LARPing, which is live action role play, if you don't know. And, um,

I do.

or a couple people pointed out like, oh, is it because you don't have a sense of community like that because that's such a tight-knit niche community and that means so much to people to be a part of a community. And she was like, oh, shit. So we're just making realizations. It's fucking fascinating. And I don't have my solo podcast, The Voices in Our Head, anymore. So I kind of use the first –

You know, a couple minutes of every group Sherapy session is for me to go on a little rant of whatever's happening or books I'm reading. I'm reading this amazing book called Bending Reality by Victoria Song. So I make all these recommendations. It's a great place. And you just have – the minimum donation is – or cost is $5 a month. So you can go to Patreon.com slash Christina Hutchinson. Sign up. Let's chat. Nice. Yes. Oh, I thought you were – No, go ahead.

You may. You may speak. I interrupted. You may speak. No, it's fine. I was just going to say, follow me on Instagram and let me know where I should come on the road this fall and winter. On our face. Yeah. Sorry, couldn't resist. That's it? Oh, I was just going to say, we're working on Chicago, Milwaukee, Boston, and then a couple other ones. But if there are any other cities with a lot of people who –

would come and see me, let me know. Beautiful. Beautifully done. That's so stupid. And then real quick, I have an important call to action. I know on this show and in general, our listeners are always kind of like the world's going to shit. What can I do? I promise you there are people in the world who will do the big things, but we all have to be doing little things and like kind of just make it part of our

you know, our, our weekly routine to do a little call to action. So throughout this running for mayor process, two things I have found to be actually effective. Number one, of course I talk about all the time is voting. You must cast your vote. And this, and I'm, and I'm specifically saying like, make, make,

a point in voting in municipal elections, right? We wonder how the, the corruption gets to the top. Well, it's because we don't pay attention to the corruption until it's so big that we, uh, as people are almost unable to control it. And in many cases, unable to control it. Um,

so I was thinking a lot about, about the concept of, uh, you know, people often move to a large city and then keep their voter registration in a state, you know, and they go, well, my vote matters more there. And I don't know that I agree with that anymore. I used to kind of, I used to, I never lived in a state where my vote mattered more, you know, one place than another, although New Jersey is turning quite red. So that might not be the case for long, but as long as I was a registered voter in New Jersey, it, you know, New Jersey, New York, it kind of didn't make a difference. Um,

And I know it matters in national elections, but like, okay, so if you are doing that because your vote matters more there, are you also participating in your municipal elections? Because if you're only holding out for the presidential elections, I would...

highly recommend that you get informed about the municipal elections happening in the place where you're actively participating in, you know, society. Just some food for thought, but just wherever it is, be voting in those municipal elections. Because even when I was registered in New Jersey, I actually was still voting in municipal elections. And

And then the second thing is calling your elected officials. I know sometimes it feels like you're just calling and leaving a message. It takes all of three minutes and you think, did I really make a difference? This really makes a difference. AOC did a whole video about how conservatives call at a much higher rate.

than Democrats and that they get more things done because of it. So when you see these calls to action about calling your representative, you're either going to leave a message with someone or you're going to leave a voicemail. Most times, whatever you're calling for, the place has it scripted for you. It's very easy. And so that's something that I have been working on. I've been working with a group called the Cura Collective.

And they are working to undo this legal loophole that exists in New York, but also check if it exists in your state because it exists in many states. Many other states have already undone it, but it's this kind of not talked about thing called the voluntary intoxication exclusion. In short, it basically means if the night...

of your rape, you voluntarily consumed alcohol or some kind of drug, you most likely cannot try your rapist for rape in court. It will not be allowed. No. Um, yeah,

And so because, you know, I looked at, you know, some explanation is in New York, a victim's voluntary intoxication does not mean they have not given consent to sexual activity. The law requires that a victim clearly express a lack of consent and that a reasonable person in the actor's situation would understand the victim's words and actions as an expression of lack of consent. So a lot of times, like if you're under the influence, like, and, you know, and, you

don't know how the night went on, but often, you know, it is, uh, predators prey on intoxicated people or, you know, maybe you started drinking voluntarily and then someone keeps buying you drinks and it just gets really murky territory. The amount of times I've seen a 22 year old stumbling woman in a, in a super tight, like a

like a gorgeous girl in an outfit that who's wasted, who is being approached by strangers on the street. I'm like, no, no, no. I walked that. I walked that girl to her Uber. We're going to get in the car. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah. And the rationale behind the exclusion is often based on public policy considerations, such as the idea that individuals should be responsible for their choices regarding substance use and its consequences. So victim blaming in short, that was like a really flowery way of saying that. Uh,

But it's a really simple call to action. And I do encourage, I would say all Americans can call. You could probably call internationally. I just worry that they would see your number. But I think, you know, because in New York, there's people from all over. So any Americans, I think you can call. Because again, this is something that even if you, this is a New York State issue, first of all. But even if you don't live in New York State,

Um, this is something that this is the kind of policy that if a state like New York undoes it, more and more states will follow suit. So, you know, this is where the call to action is happening now. Uh, but also look and see if your state has this loophole. And if, you know, I'm guessing there are some kind of survivor advocacy group, um, who was working on it in your state, if it exists, if not, there's your lane, maybe you could be that survivor advocate.

And so it's really simple. All you are going to do is call Speaker Carl Hasty. It's pronounced Hasty, but it's spelled H-E-A-S-T-I-E. You can also hit him up on Instagram. He does posts semi-regularly, so I know he's on there. So you're going to call Speaker Hasty at two numbers. You can jot these down. The first is 518-455-3791.

And the second is 518-455-4032. And just say, hi, I'm a voter and it's time that lawmakers pass Bill A-101 to get rid of the voluntary intoxication exclusion. And you can add details if you yourself are a survivor, if you're someone who has experience in this, if you're an advocate.

I called as a former mayoral candidate and a survivor advocate. I did one live call on Without a Country just to show people how easy it is. Truly put it in your calendar and call every single day. Make it part of your wake-up or morning routine. It doesn't matter when you call. If you call in the morning, you're probably going to get someone who's going to jot it down. But if you don't have time during the day, you can call and leave a message at night. It's really no problem. This is super important. It does get things done. And also, Speaker Hasty has said...

that not enough women, and he said women, that's why I'm saying women, not enough women are knocking down his door about this issue. This has been on the table for six years. For six years, people have been trying to get this done. It's basically everyone agrees it should be done. It's pretty much a nonpartisan issue. He is the one who has the power to bring it to vote, though. And he needs to do that by June 17th to get it done in this calendar year before they go on break for the summer. So that's why we're pushing so hard.

I went and did a press conference last week with the Cura Collective to speak as a former mayoral candidate and as an advocate for sexual assault survivors. And it's just really important stuff. And this is something where

I think especially the listeners of this podcast, we can come together and actually get something done. And yeah, there's a million bills and illegal things that need to be changed nationwide, but this is one small piece. And when we think of everything seems so out of control, this is something that I really feel if we stay on this from now through June 17th, we can actually get done.

So I'm saying every day, just make the call a part of your routine, put it in your calendar, make these two calls. Boom, boom, boom. Truly takes three minutes of your time. And this is the kind of stuff that actually gets things done. And I know it sounds so silly. Speaker hasty is going to walk into his office and his assistant or secretary is going to go, your voicemail is full. Your voicemail is full. Tag him on Instagram. If your voicemail is full for days in a row and his Instagram is blowing up, he's like, wait, did I just all of a sudden get popular? No, it's people demanding that this law be, be, be,

put into effect yeah and it's not okay that we should have to demand our own rights but like this is what this is what it is and let's so let's be absolutely loud about it and you know we have we do have the power to get things changed and when we all come together and again this is like so easy you don't have to leave your house you can do it from your bed you can do it naked no one's gonna know

So yeah, please do that and keep doing it. It's a thing that you can do daily. Absolutely. So thank you so much. Yeah. And then just one quick thing. I just want to read a few words from Liz Plank, who I love, friend of the show. I really like her writing. We talk about a lot on the show. There's a lot of things that I personally have to work very hard to compartmentalize every single day, like just children being children.

bombed in Gaza and aid not being blocked. And then I guess Greta Thunberg is fucking kidnapped or whatever. She's got taken into... There's some asterisks to that story. I don't know. I'm not trying to pretend I know the facts there. And then just ICE taking away...

families breaking apart, families breaking, like immigrants are so important to America. They always have been. And it's just blows my mind that if a guy in plain clothes pulls up in a fucking regular ass car and tries to take me, my fight or flight survival instincts, I will claw that man's eyeballs out because I'm going to think I'm getting kidnapped. But it apparently is perfectly acceptable for a mother to be ripped away from her child. People, the fact

that immigrants are showing up to their court ordered check-in and they're getting kidnapped is so fucking disgusting. Absolutely. And it makes me mad every day and I have to compartmentalize it. But it's like, and it doesn't, you know, people in the comments will be like, well, then come here legally. Like, no, the bottom line is, no, that's not, that's not the argument. Human beings and, and a country that prides itself on being the greatest country in the world has to treat human beings like humans.

And guess what? Empathy isn't weakness. It's what's for dinner. But she just wrote a quick piece called – and I'll just read a couple words from it.

Cars were set on fire, concrete flew, and bodies blocked ice fans. This wasn't chaos. It was defiance. Among these bodies in the street were men who didn't flinch, men who stood tall, masked up, locking arms with strangers, men who did not look away, who didn't scroll past, who didn't say, it's not my fight. That's the kind of masculinity that makes us feel something. Everywhere I look, I see discourse around the fact that men don't feel needed, that they feel lost and purposeless. But here's the thing.

There has never been a time in recent history where you've been more needed.

If men want purpose, if they want to feel like men, fighting fascism is the best way to do it. Nothing makes us want to pull you closer than watching you throw your body between injustice and someone who needs you. That's masculinity. That's devotion. And to quote the person that's currently next door, that's hot. It's Paris Hilton. It's Paris Hilton. All right, let's keep going. Someone else who is consistently fighting for the people is...

Today's guest? Today's freaking guest. We swapped who says, who's tricks are being done on me? Yeah, this is a great interview. And she's somebody who has a similar experience to...

Yes. So today's guest is someone who I met through running for mayor. She herself is a mayoral candidate. She actually did make it onto the Democratic ticket after a long fight. And I've done several forums with her. I just really immediately liked her energy. And the first conversation I had with her, she was so warm and she was so open, which is not something you find with all candidates. Like, you know, we are running against each other, but hopefully we are all still running with the same spirit.

kind of agenda, which is make this city the greatest city in the world. I would hope that's what everyone is running on. It's certainly what I was running on or continue to make it make it even greater than it already is that kind of a platform. And I just love her. I love her joy. And she's getting shot shut out of a lot of spaces because she does not have a political background and she's not a huge fundraiser. So I said, why don't you come on my show? And I'm

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I'm so excited to interview you. You are running on the Democratic ticket for mayor of New York City. Yes, I am on the ballot. Congratulations. It's no easy feat. You know that firsthand. I know that firsthand. But I honestly cannot say I met that many wonderful people in politics before.

But you are an example of a wonderful person that I did meet in politics. So I and I work in comedy. Yeah. I'm like, dang, politics is worse. That's terrible. Yeah. And I and I know that there were you know, there was, you know, corruption and gatekeeping happening to other candidates just like myself. And we immediately bonded over talking about that at the mayoral forum uptown.

And so can you, I guess, introduce yourself and tell us a little bit about your campaign and what you've been going through so far with the city of New York and the Board of Elections? Sure.

Wow. Talk about a journey. So, yes, I am Dr. Selma Bartholomew. I'm proud to say that I'm on the ballot. Right. And that we did the work in order to accomplish something so historic. It has been more than gatekeeping. It's gatekeeping and keep us off the gate as we push. Right. New York City has had one hundred and ten men killed.

As mayors of New York City, and we just kind of seem to just want to be okay with that, and not to be able to have a courageous conversation about why, right. So I'm hoping that we can get into some of that today. Yeah, this is the perfect place to do it. Yes. And so yeah, my vision, my goal for this campaign and for my vision for New York City is really about change.

and creating more opportunity for people across the city, really flattening it. I think people think that Wall Street is the capital of New York City, and it's not. Everybody deserves opportunity, and we deserve to have better schools. We deserve to have safer streets, safer subways. But more importantly also is the quality of life. I love New York. I love New York. And I think that we've kind of fallen out of love with it. Yeah. Yeah. It's a push and pull. This is a question Corinne got a lot, and I would love to ask you. Why mayor?

One, because I think it's time for change. It's time for fresh leadership. I want the job. I want the job. And I'm ready for it. I've done more than 30 years of leadership experience, working with schools across the country, working with communities, building teams, building leaders, helping people learn how to have relationships.

And I think New York City needs somebody who has both compassion, right, and also the skill sets. We don't seem to think that as a mayor, we seem to think it's much more of a politician position. But it really requires leadership. It requires people who know how to actually think strategically. And so give it to me. I want it. Yes. I want it. You're hungry for it. And the thing is...

I think a lot of listeners might be like, well, if you're running for mayor, of course you want it. But I don't think that's the case for many of the candidates. I think for them, it's just another step on a ladder. It's another title for their resume. And so to be really excited and enthusiastic about taking on the job is something you have to look for in a candidate. The why is so important. And I think for so many people, it's just a power play. Yeah.

Absolutely. I think that they just see this as another opportunity, like you're saying, another step up the ladder. But it's also who are they accountable to? I think that people don't realize that this is a chess game and individuals put the pawns out, the individuals who they know that they can control. So they say to them, go, this is your next fight. This is your next position. Like when I think of somebody like Scott Stringer, he's like the whack-a-mole of the mayor's race. Every mayor's race, he jumps out. I want to be mayor. I want to be mayor. Like stop the nonsense. Yeah.

I appreciate how honest you are about in your conversation. You're not like trying to be, you're just yourself. That's, that's so nice. Well, and yeah. And, and, and because we have Andrew Cuomo running with his multiple, multiple, multiple, uh,

sexual misconduct accusations. We've completely forgotten that last time Scott stringers, you know, most of his endorsements and everything fell through because he ran for mayor last time, but everything went down the toilet because he was accused by two people of sexual misconduct. And, and now because Andrew Cuomo is this bigger name and,

polling better. We've all of a sudden just, you know, stopped talking about Scott Stringer. AOC endorsed him fourth. Yes. I go, what? Yes. That's so disappointing. Institutional amnesia.

Yeah. I was really upset by that. Scott Stringer, what is his allegations? Are you familiar with them? Or are either of you familiar with them? It's not assault. I believe it's misconduct or harassment. So I want to make that clear. Not that that's okay. If something came up to the surface, that means there's a whole ant farm...

Yeah, and it was two women and last time. And then even on the first debate, the moderators asked, who did you vote for last time in the primaries for mayor? And Scott Stringer is yucking it up. He's like, it was a hard decision in my household, but I voted for me. And it's like,

And then he said, you know, he was mad at the other candidates that no one voted for him. And I go, you're not telling the reason no one voted for you last time. And they're quick to forget. Yeah. And they're quick to also just put yourself show, right? Right. It really is a dog and pony show. Yeah. And I'm so glad that we've had a chance to kind of pull the curtains back and expose the truth behind it. And what is...

did he do at the end of the day? I don't want to spend time talking about him, but he was Comchola. And the numbers in the city didn't improve. Women businesses, we didn't make any money under his leadership. Same thing, less than 2%. Black women, less than half of a penny, right? Hispanics, less than half of a penny. And so what did you do when you're in the position? Same thing like Brad Lander running around talking about he's going to end homelessness. He might as well give us all a deluxe apartment.

I mean, like, stop it. Stop it. Like, this is really serious things and you're not taking it seriously. But people seem to be okay with that. Or at least they're making it seem like if we are. Yeah, we're in this period of time where I know it's been worse, meaning like, oh, if you stole something, you get your arm cut off and that doesn't happen. Yay. Okay, cool. But there's so... There's no compassion and governing. And it's like our...

Isn't a government supposed to take care of its people? When I travel to other countries internationally, the vibe when you get off the plane immediately is different and you go, oh, you don't have to worry about getting hit by a bus and your whole savings account gets wiped out. Right. Like the stress that Americans go through that we're under because our government fails us when it's supposed to be helping us makes you go, why do we pay taxes? Exactly. For what? Yeah.

To be abused? Yeah. Well, first of all, I think Corinne and I, we've exposed something about the fact that we see that, yes, we think that this is a democracy, right? And I want it to be. Ella Baker was one of my heroes, and she said that it's supposed to be spelled with a small D for everyone.

But what we've discovered in the mayor's race is that it really is pay for play. That, you know, they denied me an opportunity to be on the debate stage, not because I didn't earn, right, but basically because I didn't spend $198,000. That's their threshold. And this coming debate on June 12th, wait for it, the threshold is $2.3 million. That you need to have spent.

Your campaign needs about $2.3 million to get on that debate stage. To get on this. And they're calling it the leading contender when in reality it's the leading spender, right? Right. And so that means that they never will be accountable to the people that

That if you now, right, in order to get matching funds, you have to first raise $250,000. So I didn't get any matching funds. And now you're told that you have to spend more than $2.4 million in order to get to the debate stage. It means that when somebody, when the big money companies pick up the

phone and call the mayor's office, who are they going to answer to me and to you? So that's why they've left us out in this place and calling it a democracy. And I think it's time for change. Yeah, absolutely. And then, I mean, it's, it's an ongoing problem. So like, you know, I knew the finances would always be an issue, but beyond that, the way to earn more money for your campaign is to get publicity, right?

And so I'm a big fan of journalists, but I have been rather disappointed in the local journalists that we have here in New York City because they complain and complain and complain about Andrew Cuomo. And I go, well, you keep writing articles about him when you have this wonderful opportunity to highlight other candidates. When you highlight other candidates, money goes into their campaign. When I was out speaking to groups of 50 people at a time, I would raise money. Obviously, that's the harder way to do it. Right.

And I understand that journalists do have to – they're following the money because that's where the story is. But they can also create wealth for candidates who might do better work for the people. I don't think they're following the money. I think they're following failure. I mean –

Yeah. Yeah. They're following failure and they're okay with it. And the sad part is, is even when they see you, like, do they fundamentally see you? And I think that's what it is, right? Everyone thinks identity, but do they identify with us? Do they identify with, with the voters and see that we really do want something different and be brave? I mean,

what did you become a journalist for? If you're not going to be brave and go to your editor and say, wait a minute, this is not fair. And instead they kind of just keep right the status quo and, um, and facilitating it. And it's time for us to really have some more braver conversations and hold people accountable.

Yeah. And so many New Yorkers don't even know the candidates who are running, you know, and that's why Andrew Cuomo is polling in the way that he is, because it's just a name that people recognize. And I go, well, you need to give us opportunities as candidates to talk to New Yorkers, to tell them our plan and not maybe not have the primaries, you know, closed, number one. And on June 24th, in the middle of summer, when everyone's just left town to go to the Hamptons or wherever they're going. Well, that's how they keep it, right?

That's how they don't want more people to vote. Absolutely. I also, I mean, in order for me to get the New York times to publish my name as a candidate, I had to write a piece that said in their New York times, the letter F is for you. Right. Right.

And we have to do that. And we also don't want to be honest about how money keeps playing into this, right? Money's playing into the Times. Money's playing into the news. Money's playing into every single piece of it. And we need to be able to now take back our democracy and our city. It's time to win them back. Yeah. To be honest. And I feel like if this is...

It's been almost never since they had candidates like yourself, Corinne, like myself, who's telling the truth. Yeah. Who's telling the truth because I am on the Democratic ticket, but I've not held political office. Right. And so I stepped up to be a fresh face, to bring new leadership. And they've not had that. Everybody else has been in that Democratic club.

and really going along with it. And so how can someone sit on a stage and knowing that another one of your peers is locked out? If you don't advocate for me, are you really going to advocate for the average New Yorker? No, you're not. Well, that's why I truly felt that it was, even though I am no longer running because they found a way to get me off the ballot, I felt like it was not only...

I'm happy to have you on and I was excited to have you on, but I really felt like it was my responsibility because again, I knew that if this was happening to me, it was happening to, you know, other candidates in different ways that they were being held out of the mainstream view of this race. Can you tell me a little bit about your journey with getting on the ballot and making, you know, and getting on the ticket and making sure everything went well? Like,

How did you kind of skirt the system to make sure that you were going to get ballot access? I always say most people say grassroots. I think my campaign is people powered. And so, yeah, I did it with less than $2,000. Amazing. That's really impressive. Yes. And that's because of relationships. Right. And going into the community, speaking to the grandmothers, the grandfathers, the

the members across the city and say, I want to be on the ballot. And they said, hey, Dr. B, you want that? Let's go out and help you. And so they went out and collected signatures and petitions for me, holding meetings in the basements and people's living rooms to get to know me. And I'm also, I'm a really good strategic thinker and I'm a planner. I'm a planner. Once you have a good roadmap, right, you're able to really articulate and say, okay, now I got to meet this timeline. And it was cold. I mean, for them to be

them to be doing this in the middle of the cold. We were freezing our butts off. But like it's I think the same was with Corinne's campaign of like the people getting your if the people getting your signatures for you like helping you like just believe in you that is that is the best way to do it. And then for them to not even validate that I feel like if that was the process so why do I need now a threshold of money to

Right. Is it not the fact that you went out and got signatures because the field thinned out afterwards? Right. So the process in and of itself was to thin out and say, OK, these are the candidates. And so to now have this threshold that you have to spend money makes it quite clear who they expect the mayor to be accountable to. And we can look at this past administration. We could see text message and say, oh, call me. I'll stop and do right now.

I'll take your call anytime. And that's because they are not accountable to us. They're not giving us affordable housing. I see it's actually an unaffordable problem that we have because they want the city. And I say, no, let's push them back to have an entire street where empty apartments sit that are upwards of $20 million that are killing the grass in central park because the building's so damn tall because the developers are having a, whose dick is bigger contest. It's just like, come on, this is so not what the city's about. Um,

it's all about subcultures. And so to borrow from the debate that you should have been a part of because you are on the ticket, the first question that the moderators asked was, what is your one big idea for New York City? So I'll ask you that here. So you have the platform to answer the question. What is your one big idea? If you could only choose one from your platform idea for New York City that you would implement immediately or start the work on implementing immediately?

My one big idea is to uplift our economy and to do ecosystems. We're used to just doing things isolated. School is over here, church is over there, community gardens over there, but really now connecting community and community.

and the work that we're doing in community. So I want to do business hubs across the city. Not one. I want to be able to place business hubs and bring individuals, bring those who want to become entrepreneurs in there, and also bring the local entrepreneurs in there. We give people like 2,000, 3,000 grants every

That's nothing in the life of a business. That does not impact you in any way. And you have expertise, right? So bring those individuals in there. And also now let's bring those VCs, venture capitalists, who fundamentally care about our city, fundamentally want to uplift our city. Bring them in there. And when that VC gives you $500,000, I want to match it.

I want to match it. I want to match it because I know what it is. And when I started my business in 2008, I own an education company. I stepped out on faith after doing the work for other companies and there was no help. And we keep saying that the money isn't touching women. It's not touching, you know, diverse people of color because there hasn't been any intentionality around it.

We're also now, when you do these business hubs, you're able to now really build a local economy. Now that person can now hire locally. We can now bring the artists in there. You can now bring the graphic artists. You can now bring the marketer. Everybody's in that same space working together. I also have to think as the mayor about communities that have been consistently disenfranchised.

And so we know, for example, those who are incarcerated, right? We say close Rikers, but what's the plan? Right. So when they come home, they've done the work, but they feel left out because they can't get jobs. And what are you going to put on your resume by way of experience? You don't have it. You set up to fail. Exactly. So bring them into those hubs. And if they could be the entrepreneur, great. And if not the entrepreneur, great.

can hire them locally and give them right a boost and so we're really building community and that has not been done I'm like I said I own a business and I know what it is and we talk about the tax bill when you own a business you have both your personal bills and you have all of your business bills and the resources are really not touching us the knowledge isn't touching us in the sense of like why are we doing this right that we can now really solve problems right together and

and really innovate and inspire, inspire everyone. And it feels like, yeah, we're in this place where the money is there for the people that need it the most and that will do the most with it, but we're just not allocating it.

Yeah, the rankings. Right, it's just driving me crazy. They're taking it from us. And the contracts, when we talked about Scott Stringer and Brad Lander and these individuals who are comptrollers, they're quick to say things like, yeah, when they look at how the city spends money, the same people every single year get hundreds of millions of dollars unchecked, unquestioned. And where are the outcomes?

comes right and so the priority of me as mayor of the city of New York is to now prioritize communities and not just one community the entire city is hurting everyone is hurting our streets are filthy so I've also made a commitment first 100 days clean

up the streets enough already pick up the garbage I'd like to also do a day of volunteer across the boroughs it's a model that works it's in Rwanda they do it a place that had so much trauma and so much hurt and they're able to do something like that like why can't we come together as a city and I think we want that

I was just going to say I agree with that. We want to be connected to each other. There's so many only in New York moments that you can have, but you need community, you need connection to be facilitated in order for those moments to be experienced. Yeah, I agree. And you need a leader that says it's important at the end of the day, right? And when you see leaders, I think we know that the level of corruption is there. I mean, this past administration certainly did expose it. Yeah, a little bit. Yeah.

Just a little. Just a wee bit. So can you tell us a little bit about how you grow up and how you kind of became the woman that you are today? What was your childhood like? Were you always kind of interested in leadership roles? Yeah.

Wow. I kind of had a dual childhood, so I wasn't actually born in this country. I'm a newcomer. Nice. Yeah, I was born in Grenada in the West Indies. Nice. It's known as the Spice Island. Yeah. It was also the place that gave America their shining black prince, Malcolm X's mother. Oh, nice. Yes. Yes.

And so I grew up, you know, playing with the dirt and mangoes and going to the beach. But there was also trauma, right? There's always challenges in life. I don't think you know it as trauma when you're a child. No. You don't. You're just like, this is what kids go through. Yeah.

For me, when both of my parents came here, so I'm the youngest of four. And so when your parents leave, you don't really know that they're leaving. You don't really know. No one necessarily explains to you that they're going right to another place to seek opportunity. You just know that mom and dad are not there anymore. And so for me, I was depressed. I was always struggling with food in some way, but I didn't eat. And it didn't necessarily...

that people would pick up on it. Not that they didn't love you, but didn't necessarily really. My mother used to spoon feed me and really like spoil me as a kid. You don't have that anymore. And so I know what it is to kind of have that sense of just sadness, right? I also, I think when you have this opportunity to come to a new place, right?

you have to now let go. You have to now let go. And so when I moved, came to New York, I grew up in Harlem, 143rd and St. Nicholas, home of the Jazzmobile. Nice. Every single summer I got to listen to the Jazzmobile. That's so cool. And then I had an empty lot and,

And any and everybody at the time, now I know that they were the greats, and they would just come and rock it out. That's amazing. Amazing, right? And that's something I want to do as mayor of the city of New York. We have empty spaces. Bring the musicians who's not making, what, less than $10,000 a year average? Give them opportunity and let's use the spaces. Harlem was always near and dear. I tell people anytime I'm having a bad day,

put on anything that you want and go to Harlem and somebody is going to give you, Hey, how you doing? I lived there for 10 years. Absolutely. Just to make you feel good about yourself. So, yeah, so I grew up in Harlem, but I also had a lot of fights on the playground. So I think in terms of who I, yeah, because you're a New York kid. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. ACAS powers the world's best podcasts. Here's the show that we recommend.

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And so, yeah, I learned how to fight, but I also learned who I am. And I think that's really important. I do want to say to New Yorkers, I know our identity is important, but what I want to bring as mayor is I want us to help to learn how to identify. How do we identify with each other? I think that's something that we're missing right now.

We're kind of holding on to who we are. Yes, I want you to know who you are. I want you to speak about it proudly. I want you to own it. But it's time we also identify with each other because then how do you come together with somebody, right, in the city and treat each other with more kindness and fundamentally want to clean up our streets and want to improve our schools and want to get

to know each other. Can't we just get to know each other and see ourselves in others? And so to identify is a really important thing. And I don't think we've been really doing a great job of that. No, I think like New York has gotten a lot more contentious over the past couple years, you know, things going on politically, I think an uptick in hate crimes, and then

Yeah, and also like the red word movement that we've seen nationally and internationally. But like, you know, that was a problem in New York City as well. I think people were angry that Donald Trump got more votes, you know, here. And Democrats like to lean on this crutch of like, well, New York always votes blue. And I think that if we continually rest on our laurels, that won't be the case anymore. You know, we can't, the Democratic Party has to serve Democrats

The people. Something that they want. They have to listen to their needs and respond to them. And have a backbone while you do it. Yeah, and we keep failing at that. We keep serving the poverty pimps. Yeah. It's poverty pimps that they've been allowed, right, to run our schools. When we look at the NYCHA. Yep. What? Corruption, right? What's that? New York City Housing Authority. Oh, okay.

such a level of corruption right and so and that's why the mayor's office has been for sale like when we yeah basically like this is such an aha moment for me like why is it we're not getting it because look at the thresholds when you say to a candidate you now have to go out and spend 2.4 million dollars well suppose I made 2.4 million and 50 cents how is that person going to feel about

themselves because they think, I want to just win. As you mentioned, I just want to climb the ladder. I don't want to do the work in order to really build relationships and build community. And so they have set it up to ensure that the mayor's office is for sale, that those individuals will be able to have their wealthy friends, pick up the phones, the contracts are going to them. While we sit out here thinking, oh, I also don't like this mindset where they tell you, oh, the

That they're successful and we're the failures. Right. Because what are they building their success on? Yeah. Your system makes it impossible to rise up. Yeah. And so we have to be more compassionate for ourselves and realize you're not the failure. You're not poor. We've had poor leadership. We're poorly organized. And it's time for us to really shift that mindset and put someone in the office that belongs to the people. Yeah.

I speak for the people. I represent the people. I feel like if I want people to know my vulnerability is your vulnerability. To own a business in New York City is to struggle and to fight for opportunity. I'm thankful that when I started my business, I didn't rest on being in New York. I went across the country. So I went to places like North Dakota.

and they brought me in because they wanted talent and they wanted to think about creating the careers and the jobs of the future and how do you redesign curriculum and do the work in a different way. So I'm thankful for that, but we've not had anybody that said COVID hit us. COVID hit us hard. And thank you to our failing governor. We had a mandemic, not a pandemic. That's very funny and true.

Have you been in a room with Andrew Cuomo yet throughout this race? Because, I mean, he's been hiding from New Yorkers. He sure has. Because New Yorkers do not fuck around. We'll tell you how we feel. He sure has. Well, we saw him, I saw him briefly at Abyssinia Baptist Church. Okay. Where he, you know, the pastor has done the whole Cuomo love thing.

Wait, what do you mean? Yeah, he literally had invited us a couple of times to speak to the congregation. And each time he tried to ignore us. And on one of the occasions where I came, he bought Cuomo.

And Cuomo had the opportunity to speak for 20 minutes and I got 90 seconds. Oh, that's nice. Really nice, right? Cool. Super fair. And then he went out, he literally did an Instagram, the pastor, Reverend Dr. Johnson, has an Instagram that says CuomoLove.com.

Right. Right. This is the culture. This is what we're fighting in terms of the need, right? The need for change. Power and influence. Yeah. And when we did the, when they did the debate, we protested it. Right. And we were actually only ones protesting. So they had on one side, all of the, a lot of union workers protesting.

Which they paid, you know, fully well. They're coming out there, getting overtime to hold a sign up, right? And so when we put up the sign on the other side that said that in order to be on the debate stage that you had to pay $198,000, the look on these men and women's faces, like the air just went out of them. What do you have to say to that?

There's nothing you can say. That's the thing that bothers me. Like, you know, New York City voters don't even understand the process of running for office or what it takes to get on these stages or what it takes to get on these tickets. And I think if they were more informed, they would make different decisions. Yeah.

And I think they're not informed because who owns it? Well, exactly. Exactly. And the fact that we are supposedly being in a democratic city and they, the ones that we have been elected, have been intentionally keeping the knowledge from us. Yes. Which is so cruel. Yeah. That's the worst part. Yeah. Like when you discover it, it's like, oh my gosh, like this is just filthy that we think that we're hiring you in order to support us, in order to uplift us.

And we have a lot of good, talented people in this city. New Yorkers are special people. You can make it here. You're resilient, right? We just keep pushing through. And to know we're electing people who intentionally go behind the scenes, right, and put policies in place to literally squash dreamers, to squash opportunity, it's shameful. And it's time that we're exposing it. Like, it is true. And it's time that we let people know.

And I think as we have more candidates like Corinne, like myself, right? And I'm about to break that glass ceiling. Let me just let people know I want it. I want it. Give it to me. I want it. Please get up, dress up, show up for me. You know, we're trying to not really activate communities and those villages to say you have a candidate. You do not have to hold your nose and go vote for that. It's true. Absolutely. Yeah.

And so obviously over the weekend, we saw really horrific things happening in Los Angeles with ICE. Your mayor, something like that, you know, Donald Trump orders ICE to come into New York City in a more brutal show of power. How do you respond? What do you do? Well, first of all, we need to be clear as mayor, ICE does not belong in our schools. It doesn't belong in our places of worship.

And how we need to respond is day one with a clear plan around who's doing this work. Let's identify those faith-based institutions that have been doing the work, right? And let's fund them and let's give them what they need. I feel like if we need to be honest and say, is it a modern day underground railroad in some ways that these people have been doing this work, but let's bring them now out of the surface and give them the resources that they need in order to provide those support services to families, um,

Let's figure out who are the attorneys in those particular areas. I want to do a quality of life index tool that says what's in your zip code. So based on that zip code, what are the services available? Right. And what are those services available for those newcomers? But also what's the services available for the moms? Where are the doulas? Where are the things that we, you know, that we absolutely need to be able to have in order to protect moms?

Right. To protect and to also uplift our communities. Yeah, absolutely. And then I'm just trying to go through like the major issues. So let's your public school plan. I know that you said you've already have an education business. You've been working in states all over the country. The mayor, one of the biggest problems.

that they do is they get to oversee the public school system here in New York City. Again, so many times throughout this process, I found that constituents were asking candidates for things that the mayor really can't provide, you know, things like major changes in the MTA, which is run by a privately elected board. So public schools, what is your plan for the New York City public school system? Well, I want to say to people that our school system is failing.

We spend so much money, like $40 million plus, and even more by the time you add up all of the support services, right? And so I call it the social reproduction of failure. Right? That year after year, how do you sit that we keep getting black and brown and working class kids to only want working class jobs? Where's the vision? Where's the inspiration for it, right? So one of the first things is first hiring a chancellor that understands how to reach and how to teach in a different way. But I want to do something bold and something big.

I want to first transform high schools. I think that our high school students, and I think I know that they're sitting there, they're often bored. There's not opportunity to really do internships and mentorships and learn business. We do individual programs, but not anything that's really comprehensive and

and transformational. So I don't think that they should be on the same schedule as elementary and middle school kids. Right. Especially, you're living in a city where you can get the best internships in the world. Why wouldn't a high schooler, like, why shouldn't you give a high schooler the opportunity to take advantage of that? Like, there's a huge thing. And it just says that it's the poverty pimps, right? Because the poverty pimps make money off of failure.

right they don't make money off of success and so to be able to now create a space and pathways where students can actually connect maybe they can work in a community garden as well they can have opportunity to engage around the tech um i know people are upset about cell phones in kids hands because the devices do give vices but hello you could trade wall street why are we not letting our kids have a bigger vision for business a bigger vision for their community and so i want

them to have clearly intentional pathways that connect them to the jobs and the careers of the future, but more importantly, also the businesses of the future. I need them to imagine themselves as millionaires, as billionaires. Yeah. I

how about you make me something to sell to China? You know, we're always the ones, right? We have to think bigger. And I learned, I learned how to sew in public school. I learned how to cook. I didn't learn how to do my taxes. I didn't learn how to invest in stock market. I didn't know any of that until I was 28 until somebody like mentioned it in passing. And it's like, yeah, living in the best city in the world. It's like, what a missed opportunity for that education.

Well, yeah. And American born students in America, we have a very bad track record of getting into tech. Oftentimes it's people who come to this country to go to college and then get in the tech business. I was just looking up stats on this for my other show. And that's something that you have to think about the future of technology and make sure that people understand how to use technology, not just shy away from it. Gatekeeping knowledge is so cruel.

Absolutely. It's so cruel. It is. It is. I mean, our governor, she just gave money to companies for bags to put your cell phone in and for cupboards to put the cell phone in. Right. Rather than saying, let's give them art, let's give them music, let's give them a class of chemistry because the cell phone is all about chemistry and mathematics coming together beautifully. Yeah. How about we give them

take the cell phone apart and figure out what's in it. Because the cell phone's not going away. The cell phone's not going away. It's going to be in your pocket for the rest of your life, likely. Absolutely. And how about we give some kids some incentives and say, who can help us figure out the waste around the cell phone? Only 20% ends up being able to, most of it ends up in the environment.

Our kids need to know and to step up. Right now, we're not having high expectations of them. It's time to raise the bar and say, look, I expect you to be able to now solve complex problems and think in a different way. I also want to bring back, I want to teach 1.5 million children how to swim. Okay.

Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. And that for me is a real equity issue. It's for all children, right? We have so many different individuals from all different backgrounds. And swimming is something, it breaks my heart. Every summer, every summer, with previous mayors, there is a child.

that dies in one of our pools or in the ocean and they stand there and they offer condolences. Enough already. Enough. It's time for a plan. Yeah. Water safety, situational awareness. Let's teach our kids the skills that they need, right, to be confident and to move into the world. So I want to teach them how to swim. How about we give our kids some art again, some brain-based learning?

some art and some music again. And I want to connect it in the community. I think people have this mindset that everything is supposed to be after school. Right. That's such, why can't it be integrated into the school? There is a reality where a teenager can wake up and be excited to go to school. And we are not giving them the opportunity to be excited because we're not engaging with them. Like they're not being engaged to like,

like you said, critically think and to be an artist and to be inspired. Like once you have that spark in you, everything is just, it comes into place and you want to show up for yourself and your community and your family and all of this. And you learn how to persevere too, right? And you don't have to, you learn something about who you are.

Yeah. Right. That you can struggle through something and it's OK to get feedback. It's OK to want to be better and it's OK to try something new. And instead of us telling kids at the end of the day, oh, you'll be an influencer. Well, help me learn what I want to influence. Everybody wants to be an influencer. Everybody wants to be an entrepreneur. But you're not giving me anything during the day. Where's the joy? Where's the joy? And I know that there's no joy.

When we see how many kids are depressed, when we're not giving them good food, when we see so many of the weed buses in our schools and in our communities, it says that they're missing something. So I don't want to just say, oh, we have mental health issues. No, we have community issues and we really want to rebuild community and to do it intentionally. And don't anybody tell me that I can't teach 1.5 million kids to swim. They better buy some popcorn. You absolutely can. Buy some popcorn and have a watch party. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that's it.

interesting point to bring up because when I was a little girl, we had the Boys and Girls Club in my town. And it was just like something that everyone did. When you were a little kid, you went to the Boys and Girls Club and you learned how to swim. And it was like either free or really cheap, like $30 or something. And that was just part of growing up in my suburban town. And it was, you know, middle class, lower middle class town. And it's just something that you don't think about a lot. But you're right, it is absolutely an equity issue. It is. And New York

City schools have pools. Yeah. They have pools. Oh, do they? Yeah, yeah. We have schools with pools in it, but it's a mindset of how do you have that relationship with students, right? And you can't wait till summertime to do something. It's all year round. And I'm serious about the expectation, right? Like this idea that a kid should just go home and watch TV and play video games and eat and do whatever else they're doing as teenagers, right? Like, let's let them

no, hey, if moms and dads, if I tell you to bring your kid to swim at 10 p.m., bring them to swim at 10 p.m. Don't complain. Let's give them some mental muscle. Like that's what it takes to really move us forward. And I don't, I know that we've not had that as leaders. And you know why? Because they don't care about people. Yeah, no, I was like, they don't give a crap. They're responsible for the others and they just want us to keep talking about our pain.

and not solving problems, right? So we're screaming that we want help. We're screaming that we're not doing well financially. And they're there kind of holding up the posters, giving us thank yous and proclamations. I can't put thank yous in my gas tank. It doesn't work. And so we need real change. So let's go do this. Yeah, as New Yorkers.

Do you have any feelings on school vouchers? That's something that oftentimes it's more conservative voters bring this up, but they love the concept of school vouchers. For our charter schools. So they're part of the environment. That horse has already left the stable, right? And I work with all schools. I've worked with charter schools. I've worked with Islamic Day schools. I've worked with Catholic schools. And what I want to say to people, it's about schooling.

At the end of the day, the charter schools I see almost as the divorcees. They were in the public school system. It didn't work. And they're like, I'm going to go get divorced and I'm going to try to do this over here. But what I want to say to people is schooling. What is the prepared graduate? What's it mean? What does it mean to prepare a student to feel confident to really step out into this world? And so it's time that we really understood what that means. New York City has more than 200 languages in this city.

And our kids graduate not barely knowing how to write well in English. Yeah, in the main one. Right. Yeah, it's not great. I mean, yeah, when you look at the literacy rates, it's really alarming. It is. And so why? Why can't they learn, write another language, right? I learned how to speak in New York City. I also know that in terms of my work in

mathematics and in STEM, we talk about math as a language. And so it's time that we now gave our kids a vision to look out on the world. They should be feeling confident enough to look out on the world and to say, wait a minute, right? You're sitting next to me in a classroom for 13 years. You speak Spanish or you speak, you know, Arabic, whatever it is. And I never even learned how to say hello to you. Yeah. It's shameful. Yeah. It's shameful. And it says we don't value relationships and we don't value people.

And we also don't have a vision, right? Like it's time for us to say that we can now build a generation, right, of young people that really says I could be the change. I don't want them kids to say, oh, I need work.

No, the world needs work. How are you going to show up? How are you going to show up in this world? And that matters to me most as mayor. I told you I want the job. That's a very – well, also too, just even thinking that, I'm like, man, I wish I was in high school. That sounds like a great school system to go to, just to be engaged and to have somebody trust that you can do something even when you don't believe in yourself because you never know what somebody's home life is. And it's probably statistically pretty lousy. So it's like giving – you can make school a safe haven and make it exciting and make kids want to learn. It's like why –

Our teachers are desperate for it. And so our principals, but it's such a bullying culture. Oh, really? Oh yeah. Because it's about the test and the poverty pimps. I mean, do you really need to spend all that money on a

on a desk? Well, it's the same thing. You know, it's like, you know, the school systems have to hit these certain benchmarks and then they end up worrying about hitting these benchmarks and the individual needs of the students who, you know, and what was I also going to say? Yeah, it's crazy. And also I think

with the with the bagging the phones like yes obviously phones are a distraction I'm an adult they're a distraction to me but I think the key is like bagging a phone is just a band-aid how do you actually heal the core issue which is making children interested in learning when I'm

interested in something that I'm doing. I'm just organically not on my phone because I'm interested in the environment that I'm in. There's all these studies with ADHD on the rise and it's like, no, they're not being engaged. If you, if you teach, no one likes to sit through a boring thing. That is just the most universal truth. If it's boring, I don't give a shit. Engage with me. Like we've all had professors and teachers that I'm like, even just the way they speak about what they're teaching is captivating. You're like, I didn't mean

care about whale carcasses and now I'm like that's all I care about because you're you're you're tintillating my sense like I'm getting like a preview exactly yeah yeah and our teachers wanted to um so yeah let's go and uh revamp and reimagine

And transform. I'm really a transformational leader. I think that when we see the mayor's office and why we've not gotten change, they're transactional, right? They make transactions, they make transactions, and they don't have a big vision, a bold vision to step out and say, no, we could do this together as New Yorkers. And it is across all of New York City agencies. We need to do that work in terms of really empowering people to build relationships and

And to treat people well. Treat people well. When they go into a hospital, you don't just have to call. If I'm the next patient, just be like, Dr. Bartholomew, Selma, are you here? How about we say good morning to the other people who's there? Yeah.

with that? What's wrong with that? Humaneness. And people also, we have to also rethink the fact that we are asking individuals to do so much more with less. Yes. Where is the money going? The money is going to the wealthy. Yeah. You know, why is it that our pot, you know, you can't get a pothole fixed. Where's the materials going? The money is being stolen away.

out of our system by the robber barons and no accountability because the mayor's office, right, in these leadership positions have not been accountable to the people. We've been voting, but now we know. No, the people who pick up the phone and call is if somebody give you $3 million to run your campaign, who are you going to speak to?

Right, right, right, exactly. It was so interesting for me to watch Corinne kind of blossom into this beautiful politician that also had this level of honesty that politics needs that is never synonymous with politics because a stand-up comedian is a truth teller. If there's a weird vibe in the room, we recognize it. If you're mad at me, and it kind of seeped out into our day-to-day life, or if I have interactions with strangers on the street, if they're behaving in a way that's so unacceptable towards me, I'm like, I have...

no problem just being really, really honest. But it was so interesting to watch Corinne

hold back that honesty not in a way that was detrimental to the situation but just like you know you i it made me realize oh yeah you have to be a little bit you can't say what you not taking off my earrings and fist fighting people i mean i was at events with her yeah yeah right i was at events with her where she was talking to people that were you know and she was saying like everybody has an idea if they were mayor this is what they would fix and a lot of times it's a

pretty self-serving of like the one elevator button in my building or whatever. Whatever it is. That's something super specific. But that makes sense. That's what affects your day-to-day. But how has it been for you because you are also new to politics? You're not coming from a stand-up background, so I'm sure you have a little more grace than a comedian. But have there been moments where you –

you were met with a question or a person or just something that was just really insulting and you had to bite your tongue? I don't necessarily bite my tongue to find ways in which to speak to it. Yeah, yeah. And who I'm showing up as, right? Like, this is not new for me. I've been a leader. But more importantly, I feel like if there's always this culture where people are always asking you to be the polished one. Yeah, so fake. And, you know, gay girls don't,

Good, well-behaved girls don't accomplish the extraordinary. Right. And so I'm not always I don't have to be rude. I do cuss. I do cuss. I will not cuss somebody publicly, but I've had to cuss in a space where people were being just downright evil. Like I've been denied so many forums. Yeah.

They've been denied a seat at forums because behind the scenes, they've already decided that they're working to really have Cuomo. We protested the NAACP a couple of weeks ago. We had to fight the NCLU. They had a Cooper Square, a forum at Cooper Square. We had to fight them to get a seat at the table. There was an Asian organization. I'm forgetting the name right now. They just did an...

AAPI, I think? Oh, okay. CKAC and A4, whatever. Please forgive me. I don't want to get their names wrong. They did a forum last week on the Asian community and Asian hate. They denied me a seat at the forum. Why? Why? So what is that about? Exactly.

What is that about? That's pure, like passive violence on me. And I'm not going to be quiet about it. I'm not going to be silent about it because, oh, that's the politician, right? Let me just go along and get along. No, this is about the lives of people. This is about the fact that we are hurting and it's time to release the grip. And I'm not going to be quiet. I think it's a way in which you can say it.

But I'm not worried about being the perfect politician. I'm Dr. Bartholomew. I know who I am. I know how I'm showing up. And I show up in the lives for other people every single day. And I'm a fighter. I'm a fighter. New York City loves a fighter. We love seeing people get owned who deserve it. We love a beef. We love a squash beef. We love like, but we like when somebody owns somebody verbally. I'm a fighter.

That is the best. I have a coach and he said to me, you know, you should really tell people that you have fight in you because if you're an alcoholic, you don't really say you're an alcoholic.

I thought about it. No, I'm a fighter. Yeah, yeah. I'm a fighter. Yeah, yeah. And yes, I have fight in me, but I have to be. I have to be a champion for others. And I've been doing it all my life, really championing for all children. Like I said, I've worked in all communities. When I went into North Dakota, I was like, where are your kids? Where are they?

Yeah.

All of New Yorkers, all of New Yorkers, not just people, people of color might feel like, hey, we're always right. We've had this 400 years of just policy that has been disinherited. But those policies are now being used on the broader poor, being used on everyone.

We are all under the grip. Let's release it. Yeah, that's a class issue for sure. Well, it's interesting that you bring that up because one thing that always disgusts me in politics in general, and I think both the Democratic and Republican parties are guilty of this, is when it comes time, you know, when it's election time, they use black voters as pawns. It's basically this is the only time we specifically hear about black voters and then we don't hear about them again until it's, I don't know, maybe nine months until an election. Right.

And there's been a lot of talk about how Andrew Cuomo performs really well with black voters and, and,

you know, see, I've heard some talk about, apparently he did something for the mental health of black women in New York city. I don't, I go, I go, I was trying to find why they would hate this. Um, but I, I think it's the spin of the media, right? Yeah. These polls, uh, right. You know, show up on, uh, you know, on the Bronx and gun Hill road and ask what Andrew Cuomo has done. Right. And yes, I do.

meet people, yes, I do. I do meet people of color, women who are very much about Cuomo. And I think it's because they hear it. And also who we are in terms of people of color is that we are forgiving, even though the world doesn't say it. Right. So when we think something, somebody has been wronged, we want to forgive, even though we're not necessarily going to know all of the facts that there's something inside of us in terms of our story that says we forgive.

And so when people see Cuomo, they think, oh, you know, they trumped that up on him. Oh, you know, all of those things are false. Give him a chance. Plus, the media is only telling him like if he is the only candidate at the end of the day. And so it becomes kind of a mass push of our media to say he's the candidate. And also we have a lot of, you know, our leaders, right? Right.

who behind the scenes have made deals. They made deals. They made deals in order to keep themselves, right, at the top, get jobs for their kids, and leave the masses, right, behind. And I think people are aware now, like their eyes are open, that this is not the democracy that we want.

And we seem to have a lot of institutional amnesia, institutional amnesia, because the information isn't flowing. And so when I meet those voters, I was actually at an event on Saturday night and I met a voter like that. And she said, you got to sell me on Cuomo. You got to sell me on Cuomo. I said, well, I'm going to tell you some facts. I'm going to tell you that when he was governor, he gave away thousands of waivers to business owners, white men, so that they didn't have to spend money with women, that they didn't have to spend money with black businesses, right?

And how about this fact? When he had a chance to name that bridge and we said name it after Eleanor Roosevelt or Harriet Tubman, he said, I'm Mario's son. Yeah. And he named it after his father. So where's our bridge? Where's the Eleanor Roosevelt bridge? Why couldn't she get a bridge? Right. Why couldn't she? Because he didn't value women and he doesn't value women. And I'll say that.

Too many men – and this is more of a crass thing to say but think women are holes and that's what he does. Like they're just sexual objects that he wants to have power over, that he wants to control, that he wants to intimidate, that he wants to be fearful of him. That kind of man, oh, so much rage towards that kind of man.

Yeah, we previously had Lindsay Boylan on the show, who was the first woman to come out and, you know, the first survivor of Andrew Cuomo to come out and speak against him, who's been doing a lot of great advocacy work during this. And she said it, right? She said that he literally, right, the weight of his entire firm was on her. Oh, I can only imagine. His sister was bullying him. It's a female is one of his friends.

one woman that worked for him was also in charge of bullying the women. And it's like, he is putting his hand under a woman's blouse to grab her tit. What the fuck? That worked, yeah. What the fuck? Yeah. How are we not like, how do you let him step on a fucking debate stage when he could have grabbed your daughter's ass for a photo op? Exactly. Where are your values?

And it's low. It makes me so mad. And I guess what I want to say is Father's Day, I really want the men to speak up. And I know that there are men, right? I know that. So you can't say hashtag girls dad.

and not speak up because girls grow up. We grow up to be women. We grow up to be women. And it's time that the men, I don't think that as much as we're screaming it, it's time that men stood up and said, no, this is not appropriate. And this is not the message that I want to give to my girls. And this is not somebody who's a protector of my girls. And the other thing is, let's just as women say, I should not need knee pads in the White House. I don't need

I don't need knee pads in the governor's office and I don't need knee pads in the mayor's office. Okay. Enough. Enough already. Yeah, absolutely. And that's a great point. When you talk about, you know, someone being a protector, like the mayor should be a protector of the people of New York city. And that includes women. Women.

obviously over half of the population so maybe us too yeah yeah so let's give them someone else and I think what why they want to put a blue wall around me so they don't want people to know that they have a choice right so as I'm out meeting people they're like oh my god you know we have another candidate we do not have to hold our nose and shade that box for him no you do not you actually have you know someone else but it is activating them and being you know out there so I so thank you Corinne I

Thank you for making space, right? Of course. For making space that matters. And we have five slots to fill out in these Democratic primaries. So it's very important that we have five people who we like who are not Andrew Cuomo. And I hope that many people check you to check the box that says your name. And they also don't realize the mathematics of this. He's on both Democrat and Independent. So he's split in the vote. How is that allowed?

Because we know now that in a democratic city, in reality, they've set up policy to ensure that the wealthy always remain wealthy and that the workers remain workers and renters. This ensures who will get on the ticket because he now gets to be on the Democratic and split the vote.

Right. And then also on the independent. And this is a game of chess. So these people in this Democratic clubs, they know who they put out. So the fact that Jessica Ramos has just endorsed him, she was always, no offense, on this board, right, being controlled. And what timing?

Right after the debate, you now endorse him. What does that mean? Yeah, that was really wild to see. My only thought, I was like, is there something that he has on her? Because truly 24 hours prior, she was publicly speaking out against him. That shit about politics drives me insane.

You decide who's going to be the runners from the very beginning to distract the voters. So it's like you don't mean anything you say. Nothing. When you're endorsing a candidate and then next week you're shit-talking them, it's like, so then nothing you say has meaning. Exactly. I mean, I assume she was just taking a wager since she's polling so low she's never going to win and she wants to stand politics. So she goes, well, let me try for a job at Andrew Cuomo's office. How about they put her in the race from the very beginning to distract us? How about that? Yeah.

How about you were governor and now you're trying to be mayor? Right. That's weird. Yeah. So I think it's a chess game and I think we have to understand that they are playing chess and we're looking at this as checkers. No, it is not what you see behind the scenes. They're very well organized. They're very intentional about this, right? Making sure that we don't get media time, making sure that we're not heard, you know, claiming about the polls. Well, who have you polled? Who are you asking? Who is it that you're connecting?

into. Are you standing outside of BlackRock and polling all the employees that come out? Well, even when they were polling, a lot of times it wouldn't include candidates like you or me, and it would just be like other or other. And my friend said that she kept them on the phone for 45 minutes explaining that they were voting for

for corinne fisher and she's like and she's like so i'll put you down as other and she goes no i know who i'm voting for it's corinne fisher and she should be on here because right now she's running um but i even see that doing that tip you know to candidates like michael blake i mean he ultimately made that first stage but even in that first debate he was saying i won't be on that second stage even though apparently he said he did meet that second uh two you know two plus million dollar threshold but you have to meet it and submit disclosure forms in time so they quick took

criminalize you as well. Right. They criminalize you for every single thing. Well, and they just spent, you know, $7 million sending out a voter guys with inaccurate information when they, when you're not allowed to make an error or do anything that they would interpret as like, that wasn't good enough. Absolutely. That's crazy. They criminalize us for every single thing. Um, and it's unfortunate, but we can change this. Absolutely. I have to say that, like, I love this country. I love this country.

I love that Lady Liberty out there. Like, I'm tethered to her for my life. Yeah. I would not want to be any other place, right? Yeah.

I agree. And I feel like that's something that Democrats don't feel anymore. And like, you can kind of see it in the leadership. Like I, I acknowledge America and New York city. We have a lot of problems that need to be fixed and we can't pretend that everything is great, but I do. I feel the same way. I love the country and I, and I love New York city. And I, and that's why I, I feel so passionately that it can be better. It,

It will be better. It will be better. When we come together, it will be better. It must be better. Yeah. Because the other options is not an option. I'm a champion. It is not another option. We are fighting and we have to, and if we love it, then we now have to now show up for it. Absolutely. We have to show up for it and we have to let others know that they've not been showing up and that we now see that.

right? The game that they've been playing on us. The fact that like, I cannot even believe this threshold piece. Like that to me is,

It is so horrific. First of all, it's hurtful. Let me just be honest. It's hurtful. It's hurtful because all of your life you're fighting for opportunity, right? So you're basically saying all of the things that I've done, right? I grew up in Harlem. I went and got a bachelor's degree in math and in physics. I've taught women in prison. I've taught kids. I built a business. I worked for NSF. I'm Selma Doc Doc,

in the Dakotas, right? All of the work that I've done. And now that I show up in this space that you're telling me you don't get access because you don't have money, that it's money that equates to success and it's money that equates to talent. No, it's shameful. It's shameful. And it's time that we now have a change. And I'm not willing to accept that we're going to do another that is women, that people don't think that we can lead, that I need a penis to light a ship. I mean, that's not what they mean.

That is basically what they're saying. That's basically what they're saying, that you can't run a ship. Oh, my God, New York is such a big place. Yeah, if you're a leader and you understand how to think strategically, right, and bring people there, seven days in the week people, hello. Yeah. Hello. Right? Like, why is it that they keep telling us that we can't lead and that we can't have opportunity? How long will we accept that as New York? Yeah.

let's break this glass ceiling. Let's do it. Like I'm insisting on it. We're going to break this. I'm not, I'm not willing to, um, people say, Dr. B, you got a plan B. Get out of here with that. No, I always say that always. Yeah. Well, you know, unless it's the medical plan B. Yeah. That's for winners. Um, where can we learn more about your platform? Where, where can people go? Uh, website wise, uh, social media. How can we help you from now through?

Well, first, yes. My website is drselmab, D-R-S-E-L-M-A-B dot com. My social media is drselmab with the digit four mayor. And I'm on Instagram. I'm on the ticky tock.

Nice. And certainly you can find me on Facebook. And yes, I need help. You know, we're in the season right now. So what my army of volunteers would like to do, so like, for example, on Friday, we want to set up some stations in Brooklyn, five different stations. And we just want to blitz those stations and have people out handing out paper, really introducing, right, Dr. B.,

On Saturday, I'm in Staten Island doing a parade. We're also doing some fundraisers. So yeah, we need donations. Absolutely. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And more importantly right now. And to get your word out. Yeah. We need people to get the word out. But here's how we win this.

Right now, any and everybody who's listening, how many people do you know right now? Go into your phone and text them. Like literally say, Dr. Selma B. for mayor, right? Let's go break this glass cycle and ask them to keep doing it. And that's how we're going to have to do this. Like boots on the ground and really reaching people to say we need a change and let's not allow them to buy the mayor's office. Let's shock them.

Let's just punch them out bright and early. And certainly you can go on the website and you can email me as well directly. And I'm here. I'm here. I'm here. I will do any barbecues, dinners. I'm doing a town hall. Let me mention that. I'm doing a town hall on Tuesday, which is tomorrow, at 800 Riverside Drive Community Room. This won't come out before then, but it'll come out Friday. But I know you slayed it. Okay.

I've done forums with you before. Thank you so much for coming here and taking the time to share your platform. And I think that it's so smart for candidates to come on a podcast, especially to access younger voters. I think they're not doing it enough. So thank you for

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