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But does nothing about it.

Okay. I'm like, small business or personal business? I'm going to find out. I've been with my partner for six years, me 31, him 35. We met, traveling, fell in love, and never looked back. Sometimes you should. Yeah. He works in construction, and I have an office job. When we first met, he never expressed his desire to have his own business. To me, it seems there has been an uptake in pop culture. Uptick? Yeah.

in pop culture and social media of having your own business being something everyone should be striving towards. That's true. My partner started to be increasingly interested in and drawn to this idea. He bought a course by Grant Cardone. I don't know who that is, but that doesn't sound good. I feel like he sounds like he's way too old to give business advice, but we'll see. If Eric is laughing, that means he's just like a kind of a joke influencer amongst men. Yes, 100%. It's like the MyPillow guy for businesses.

Is he old or young? He's maybe late 50s, early 60s. Okay. All right. He bought a course by Grant Cardone on reaching financial freedom and having your own business. This was a couple of years ago. He also explored making e-books from AI and taught himself how to use Canva. Yeah, it's not hard. These are very basic skills. These are not impressive skills, by the way.

What are you talking about? Canva? Like, do you know what that website is? That's like to make a comedy poster for a bar show that three people are going to attend. Exactly. Forward to yesterday evening, my partner mentions that the only reason we may break up would be that we grow in different directions.

He's running from something.

This is the guy who's going to buy crypto and think he's going to become a billionaire. I'd be surprised if he hasn't already. Yeah, this is like very much a Ryan Long sketch that we're reading right now. That's really what it is. It really is. If he wants to buy any NFTs, I'll tell him I'll sell them. Oh my God. Don't spread your toxic masculinity to him. Now when I entered into this relationship, I didn't think I was signing up to be a business partner. This is like actually, this is so... This is like a joke.

This is one of the templates of men that exists. The men, the man who's not on Coke, but always starting a small business. This is such a type. Where does he get the energy? This is such a type. Uh,

he constantly says we should be working on something together and spending all of our spare time on growing a business. Jesus. Yeah. What an archetype. Uh, yeah. I'm the guy though in this relationship. Uh, yeah. Business is running for mayor. Well, no, but I mean, I had it as a regular to like small business too and stuff, but that was your father's that you like yours. You do it way cooler. This is, this is so funny though. That's like, so this is, cause I'm like, I don't really see the point in having a boyfriend unless we're like building something together. I get it. Uh,

Yet comes to the table with absolutely nothing. I don't come to the table with nothing. When I tell him that I would support him in whatever capacity I was able to, he says, let's start then. Let's. Again, I say to him, well, start what exactly? He then proceeds to tell me I am too happy to just exist. Okay, Steven. And that the books and articles he reads are very adamant that your choice of partner is a very important factor in starting and growing a business. Whoa.

Oh, this guy is moments away from getting red-pilled. It sounds like he's like halfway through Jordan Peterson's. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was glad Andrew Tate got back in the country. Oh, man. I am really starting to get quite upset by this. Am I wrong not to be striving for financial freedom in starting my own business? You're asking the wrong questions here.

Yeah. Do you like the guy you're dating? Are you cool with him? Yeah. Like basically think of what's going on with him now as you're six years into a relationship and someone all of a sudden is becoming a Mormon. Can you deal with that? Because this is like, this is what this is. He's basically taken on a new religion and,

this is going to take over his entire life and are you comfortable with that? Sounds like he's hyper focused and to the point where he's modeling his choice of partner off of how likely he is to build a successful business with them. And I gotta be honest, it sounds like he's not that smart or creative. No, if he's using Canva, dude, Adobe, dude. Yeah. What? This is not great. He definitely didn't consult ChatGPT on any of this shit. You know what would solve this is just putting parental controls on his phone. Yeah.

No business courses. No business content, just tits on the algorithm. That's really funny. Yeah. I'd rather he be looking at tits. I am running out of ways to tell him that he needs to start small and work on his own qualities first before launching into something headfirst.

without any focus on improving the little things in his life. I'm going to also disagree with that though. I think women are behind because we're spending too much time fixing ourselves for men who don't appreciate it. And so like that, those improvements are like for you. I see that, but like, like that's why we never get to the big steps because

That's like, you know, men always take a leap. Kind of why I ran for mayor, to be honest. Like trying to go to the gym five days a week rather than having a gym membership and going zero times, which is what he's currently doing. You don't even go to the gym to become a millionaire, though. I feel like me telling him I am not keen to go into business with him is ruining our relationship. That means that's not a good relationship. Yeah. Well, for you. Yeah. Yeah.

Um, please help me with how I can navigate this. I'm not saying that having financial freedom is a bad thing, but I feel like everything he is saying to me is just empty. Yes. Correct. And I feel like I cannot win. I don't know what I'm supposed to be doing. Otherwise we have a very happy, fun relationship and love each other dearly. Yeah. It's not really a great last sentence that you just kind of, other than all the times every day throughout the day that he brings up the small business opportunity.

So my first, okay. So I'll talk. I'm really familiar with this. This is like, this is a very, like this is such a man template.

template. So first of all, you're making the mistake of responding to it 100% at the beginning. You need to let this settle a little bit. You need to really table this and kind of just like listen to the idea. Your mistake is that you're responding authentically and in the moment when you need to let this pass like it's COVID. Right.

Okay? This is... He has a disease right now. It's a pretty bad one. And I think it most likely will pass. What you need to do is find something else to replace this obsession with. Okay? This is... You can't...

When someone comes to you and says, I want to start a small business, women's mistake when it comes to heterosexual men is we go, okay, how can I help? And that's not what needs to be happening right now. You actually seem to be doing it less than most heterosexual women, and so I'm going to commend you for that. That's great. It seems like you're not doing enough, but this is the – we can't respond to men's little ideas like –

Like they're a hundred, like they're, they're like, they're ready to go. They're fully baked. Okay. So this is, this is something that you're going to just kind of like be like, Oh, sorry. My nose was running really bad for my allergies, but you're going to be like, Oh, you know, okay. Maybe, uh, create a few graphs that look like they're important, but they're, you didn't really put a lot of time into them.

Buy some kind of a book and then say you got to read that. Something to kind of take him off course, bog him down a little bit. Yeah, you need like a nice like smooth detour for this kind of thinking. Exactly. If you get him like a course on like Roman history or something, that will kind of – Maybe just say one day, I wonder if we can go grow vegetables in our garden and then get him on those YouTube

Oh, yeah. Get him on the healthy eating because he could go like the liver king kind of route with this guy to just be like, oh, get into more the healthy eating. That'll fix the relationship rather than that. Yeah. Or come up with like a business idea that, you know, will be too hard for him to accomplish. And then, you know, give him like, you know, steps one and two and like he'll never get to step two. Here's the thing, though. So then you'll be fine. He works in construction.

That's a very valued type of work. Contractors are hard to come by.

And I'm pretty sure that goes across the board. No one's ever talked to me about a contractor doing work on their home, and it's been a pleasant experience. So he could. There actually is a need for his skill set, but he's going about it the wrong way, making flyers in Canva. I'm just confused on what's really going on here. Why did he learn Canva first?

What kind of e-books is he trying to make? It seems like he doesn't have a business. No, it sounds like he just got into the alpha. He got into the red pill algorithm that is just telling him over and over again you need to be rich to be worthwhile. And then he started internalizing it. That's some masculinity bullshit. Grant Cardone got a lot of followers.

4.8 million, Grant Cardone. He's a bit of a zaddy. He's a zaddy. But he just sells these horses on buying, I think, like...

what is it like rehab properties or something so Grant Cardone is basically the male version of getting really into astrology and yes Christina immediately came across a picture of him and Andrew Schultz which should be your first red flag love Andrew we love you Andrew but this is a red flag when it comes to taking a detour in your life financially um

But some guys get obsessed with like a thing that,

But you can tell it's just because they're running from something. This is not a gender thing. This is male astrology. That's what this is. Yeah. He's being made feel insecure by all this content. So he feels like he needs to – At least astrology makes you feel better. Yeah. He feels like he needs to be a part of it. Otherwise, he's a loser. And so, yeah, you just got to – He wants purpose and meaning in his life and he wants direction. He's just getting in the wrong places. Yeah. And also while a small business could ultimately lead to financial freedom –

most likely it's going to add to five to 10 years of like an excruciating amounts of work. And there's a very high percentage of small businesses that fail. I'm only saying this for you to tell your boyfriend, women don't listen to what I just said, please, you know, please try to achieve. You keep trying. Yeah. This, but, but that, this is what's happening here. And it also doesn't seem like he has the, the,

of motivation necessary to do something like this. Which is like, he's only 35, so he could very well, you know, do this, but it doesn't, he came to the table, as you said, with nothing. Yeah. So I think, I think basically, It's almost like he gave you his empty brain and goes, you put something in it. Yeah. So do not make the mistake of, blah,

blindly supporting him in this, but you need to pretend that you are if you want to stay with him and then somehow lead him off course. That's way too much work. Nah, women are so smart. That'll be easy. Yeah, here's a $200 fix. You get him the pro plan for ChatGPT. I was just going to say that.

And tell him to start talking to ChatGPT. He starts talking to ChatGPT with all these ideas. Girl. And then eventually he gets sidetracked because he sees like the image generation thing. Yeah, yeah. And then he just starts – because he likes Canva already. I wonder what Taylor Swift's titties look like.

Yeah, he'll get sidetracked with that, start making all these images and forget about the red pill stuff. Yeah, maybe. Or also buy him one of these Grant Cardone courses if they're not that expensive. And then like, you know, again, like if he actually makes it through and like comes through with a plan, then you have something. But like you have to let you. The key is you have to lead him in a direction in which he will get frustrated and give up on his own. That's the key here.

I know exactly how this works. I know exactly how this works. Damn, yeah, this is not an email for me to answer. But yeah, for anyone listening, if your man comes to you with a business idea, the number one mistake heterosexual women make is...

excitingly supporting it from the go. I just saved you 15 years of your life. Let's do role play because I cannot imagine myself responding like that, but I understand that it's the correct way to go. So we're dating. I'm a guy. Because you would respond 100%. I'd be like, oh, cool. What's the business? Yeah. And that's how you get yourself into a pickle.

I feel like you got to do it like when your kid is telling you about their brand new interest that's going to last two weeks. Right, right, right. That's cool. Go do it. Report back. Okay, wait. Babe. Okay. Babe, I took this course. Grant Cardone. He knows Andrew Schultz. They run each other's podcast. And I think financial freedom is really important and I'm going to start my own business and I think we should do it together.

Oh, thank you. I'm really excited. Oh, okay. What's the idea that you have for the business? Well, we're going to figure it out. I learned Canva.

Oh, I got flyers so I can promote. I don't even need to hire a marketing person. Oh, cool. So we're going to make flyer. It's going to be a business that can be promoted by flyers. So like so we're covered. Oh, if so, we're covered. OK, well, that's so great. I already have a job and I really like it. So when you come up with an idea, just bring it to me and I'd love to give you some, you know, advice about it. OK, shit, you're good. Yeah.

Fucking shut me up. Shut me up. You want to be positive. Right. But not condescending. You want a yes and, but you want to create a boundary saying, oh no, I've already chosen the path I'm going down in my life career wise and I'm going to remain on it because I am me and you are you.

That's what it says right there. Also too, uh, you gave room or I think what you're doing here, which is pretty effective. This is what it is, is you're giving your partner room to impress you, but you're not involved in the making the thing to impress you. Yeah. That's, that's a big adjustment I made from my thirties to my twenties. I go, I love that. That's great. I'm,

Amazing. Can't wait to see the final result. Final result. Can't wait to see the final result. That's the important part. I'll be there. I'll be there on opening night or opening day or for the reveal. Do you practice pitch to me? I would love to see what you come up with. I'm so excited for this journey you're about to go on.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to work and I'll see you later. Yeah. But I think a lot of women like they never especially like in the in the in the younger years, the main concern is finding the mate. So they don't exactly know what their goal is. And then they go, oh, a man came a man and a goal in one package. I'll just hop on this train.

Sometimes it works out, but sometimes it doesn't. But then you're looking at his train so hard, you can't even see you got a better train. Yeah. And if you're lucky, you might get a thank you in a speech one day as your husband who's cheating on you accepts an Oscar. While you're pregnant. Yeah. While you're pregnant. And what a beautiful life that'll be for you. That's a woman.

Yeah, I just want to compilate. I want to do a course. My Grant Cardone course is I just sit in a room with young women and I play a compilation of thank yous that women got for giving up their entire life. If I had a nickel for every time I've heard a famous person thank their wife and say, you know, she had her own dreams but gave them away for me, gave them up for me. I would love... I'd be Grant Cardone rich. I think we're going to see in our lifetime...

a time where that can happen. A man, a male actor can go up and accept a speech and say that shit. And the audience might go, uh, poor gal. I hope so. Cause right now that people, I mean, I go poor gal. People love it right now. And on the opposite end of that, when the guy does give up, when the guy does that role and like moves and gives up, we give too much applause to that. Yeah. So we got to really even out those scales. Balance baby. It's what's for dinner. 2025. Right. Yeah. Also we'll say, uh,

My parents, they had a business together and they are wrapping up what has been an 11-year divorce this month. Oh, Jesus. 11 years? Yeah. That's too long. Eric. Yeah, I know. That's too long. What was the business? It was a – they did a real estate appraisal. Okay. Why did it take 11 years to get divorced? Mostly because both of their lawyers were being petty. Nice. Was it lucrative? That's helpful. No. No.

Dude, I was thinking today, my parents have started so many businesses, they got to 20% and then they stopped. It's very hard to start a small business. But like five in a row. Yeah. My dad had a business where he advised high school students on applying and getting into college. He never went to college. I was going to say, I was like, your dad didn't go to college. He got drafted. He didn't go to college. Yeah. And if that lasted, I was there painting the walls of his office and, oh, he got business cards and-

Nothing, not a goddamn client. Yeah, I believe my, so my, my dad and mom, you know, did ultimately have a successful small business. I'm like, listen, we didn't get, we didn't get rich off of it. We got very middle class off of it. Um, pretty good. But it, it was a business that, you know, stayed, stayed alive. And for a good portion of my childhood was the only business. Like my mom wasn't working when me and my brother were little. My mom. Yeah. My, well, my mom was a real estate agent first. Right.

And my dad worked in like the accounting department of the real estate company. My mom was an actual, you know, agent though. And then...

Yeah, and then my dad wanted to start Perfectly Centered, and my mom helped him with that. She did? Yes. She kept the books and stuff for Perfectly Centered and did the behind-the-scenes work. But then she ultimately went back to school and then became a teacher, which she still is to this day. But before that, I remember my mom telling me this story, which is why I'm so familiar with this template. I'm like, I think my dad wanted to...

Buy like a hot dog cart or some kind of food mobile. They can be lucrative, man. If you got the right location. Yeah. And like, she like really, and she, he brought it up and my mom dutifully went and like researched like, you know, mobiles. That's so great. And stuff. And I, she told me that story. And so I've always kept that story with me. Like if a man pitches you an idea, you know,

Well, welcome it. Keep pitching. Don't knock it down, but do not go. Don't add. Don't just don't. You don't listen. You don't need to research the hot dog cart is what is the lesson that I'm trying to share with you today. Right, right, right. And that was, and I remember that from my mom told me, my mom has told me that several times over the years, like, you know, I was just, you know, a learning story. That's beautiful. I kept that with me. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's great though. Um,

All right. If you want to listen to more of us, I have Without a Country live streams on YouTube every Wednesday at 9 p.m. Eastern time. And, you know, the political journey continues whatever direction it goes in.

Um, and I have a Patreon where once a week I do a zoom and I call it group Sherpy where we kind of go around and talk about whatever's on our mind. And, uh, I'm, I said like kind of offhandedly at one of the intros a couple of, I'm like, I don't know how long I'm doing this. And then a bunch of people DM me like, wait, what do you mean? What do you mean? Oh no. They're hanging out for dear life. Christina. No, but no, but it wasn't desperate like that. Cause if it was, I would freak me out and I would end it. Um, cause I don't, I don't want to, I don't want people to be like, you're my only hope. Nope. I don't do that. No, you're your only hope.

And that's scarier. Yeah, way scarier. But I don't know. This is such a great space. The last group therapy we had was fucking unreal. One woman came in and decided she was leaving an abusive relationship, created a safety plan, was like, I know it's going to be tough, but I'm really excited, and had this really interesting story about what led up to that. And this other girl that's been coming for years and years finally found a therapist that like,

unconditionally supported her in the exact way she needed. Like it was so cool to see. I got all these dudes into tarot and it's changing their lives. Like, like this, I gotta say, it's a really good space. It's a really powerful, potent space. And, um, and people like get a lot from it. And the audio of these zooms, the share piece are uploaded to patron every week. So, uh, if you're not able to participate, you can listen. And it's, it's honestly, it's gripping. It's very, it's group therapy podcast. It's very gripping. Um,

Because people – life is crazy. Life is tough. It's traumatic and everybody handles it so differently. And we have so much to learn from how other people handle their own lives, both good and bad. So to me, this is like the greatest school of life. So yeah, I'm really proud of that space. So Patreon.com slash Christina Hutchinson. Any amount of money you want is good. That will get you on the Zooms. That will get you the audio. I think it's the minimum is five bucks a month. But yeah, it's a really –

Because I think I was like not down on it but a little like I don't know because I'm like is this – I was getting a little Nancy. I'm like is this even helping anybody? But then without really communicating that part, I got all this feedback that I'm like, oh, it is. It really is. So it's lovely and I think you should sign up. It's really cool. And one of the Zooms every month is a spiritually themed Zoom where we do activities where we test our psychic powers.

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Hook other women up with incarcerated men. Be miserable like me. I knew this was a thing. No, she seems actually very happy because the man's not around. Oh, hell yeah. So she's kind of getting, she gets child support from a prisoner? Boo.

No, because they're not broken up. He's just in prison. Oh, right. They're together. Yeah. So she gets all... It's kind of like she gets all the benefits of it. She gets to tell people she has a boyfriend. It's like an AI boyfriend, but with a dick. Yeah. She gets to go to, you know, have sex because she gets conjugal visits. Yeah.

fascinating we gotta do an episode on that yeah and i could totally get how that's super hot yeah conjugal even the word conjugal visit even though it kind of sounds like an sti it kind of gets me horny well i actually saw the bed for the first time because i never knew what the conjugal bed looked like and it kind of looks like when you go to get a massage but at not a super nice place like you know like the kind of 40 massages that we have in it's not a twin bed right

It, I mean, it looked like it's very small. Give him a full. It looked very small. Yeah. It looked like college size, you know, dorm room bed. And yeah, they've, they've tried for like, and she does. So now she does inmate of the week Cupid's corner and,

And she'll like show like who is available. And this week she was featuring this guy named David Hatch. And then she gives his, you know, mailing information, which I'm not giving you guys. You have to find out on your own if you're going to be twisted. That's brilliant. And then it tells you what they're convicted of. And then this guy's convicted of,

first degree murder because he killed a woman. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. And everyone in the comments... Okay, take that ooh back. Yeah. But this woman who's pregnant with the incarcerated... Her guy is incarcerated for second degree murder.

And she really likes to tell people that there's a very low rate of recidivism for his crime. Oh, okay. Well, second degree murder is like you were there while someone got murdered? No, second degree is you didn't plan it.

Oh, you ex. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. That's way better. So the other guy that she's featuring is first degree murder of a woman. Yeah. Yeah. First degree. I mean, to me is like a calculated murder. Okay. I love a planner, but not that kind of planning. I actually don't really have respect for second degree murderers. Um, so at least like if you're going to do it, if you're going to do a put together some kind of a plan, if I got second degree murdered, I would be furious. Yeah. I would be mad for you. Right.

I would first degree murder the guy who's second degree murdering you. I deserve better. Murdered on a whim. Just for you, yeah. Yeah. Oh, I'm sorry. You just woke up today and chose hate? You just sprung your knife and it happened to walk into her eye? Yeah. Manslaughter is like the accidental. Second degree I think is like in a fit of rage kind of murder. Oh, okay. So you're mad. I believe. Like I know there's vehicular manslaughter, which is not usually not intended. So I mean, of course, sometimes it is. Yeah.

Yeah. So it's, so it's an, so second degree is an intent. It's an intentional killing, but without the premeditation and deliberation. Okay. Um, uh, it's in the moment. Yeah. So you're like present situation, right? So it's like a murder was like present. The manslaughter is the, is the real like accidental. It's a, it's a, is a general intent crime that involves killing someone without malice. So like a lot of times, you know, you'll get manslaughter for like a car driving or something, you know, something like that. Yeah. Um,

But yeah. Damn. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Or if you're a woman in Texas and you had a miscarriage. Yeah. Oh my gosh. That's another thing. And this woman is cute too. I just want to see like this is a she's a cute. Oh yeah. She's a cute. She's got like that crazy face good in bed.

She is a, this is a cute girl. Like I would, I would be friends with her. She seems very fun. Yeah. She has a great personality and she truly believes that a lot of these murderers, all they need to turn their life around is a little bit of love. Hey, I actually really agree with that.

I don't maybe not love from a woman. Yeah, I think I think they mean maybe just like love and support in general. I think they need empathy. But there also is a certain type of murder that I or or crimes that I don't know if we're going to come come back from. Yeah, I feel like first degree murdering a woman is possibly one of them. I'm I'm a little. Hmm. My opinion of her has been altered by the fact that she's promoting this single guy who intentionally killed a woman or

or who like in a fit of rage killed a woman. It's really interesting though. Yeah. It's called Cupid's corner. It's TTC dot prison dot wife. Like this one guy is in Canada. So maybe she's Canadian herself, but it's really very interesting. I'm really into prison. I also followed this other account called prison story where it's a woman who's now she's out of prison. Uh,

but she tells you like, she tells you all the hacks how to survive in prison. And you know, I love that. Yeah. I love hacks. I love, I love to be prepared for a situation, even if there's a slim chance I'll ever be in it. Cause you never know. You never know. You never, in this political environment,

you never fucking know the mayor newark's getting arrested fucking you never know you never know you know that really hot prisoner oh my god that whose headshot went viral the hot light-skinned black guy with green eyes jesus yes christ yo peter guns is like friends with him what was what did he go to jail for i don't even care i don't know i hope it's something i don't know i have no idea i forget the headshot he has a partner though i think right

Maybe. I mean, so do I, but whatever. He's just so hot. He's the hottest person I've ever seen. You do like a bad boy between him and Luigi. Oh, Luigi. Yo, with that green sweater? Into court room?

It's so funny because I would wife him up. To me, Luigi is very much like the real life Penn Badgley in you. It's like in the moment, he's going to sweep you off your feet. But like, ultimately, I don't think you can fully trust someone who has murdered another person premeditated. Hey, I see what you're saying. I just don't. Like for me, I'm never going to sleep easy at night. Yeah, my pussy would.

I just, there's no, there's no part of me. He's so hot, I would feel sexually satisfied just laying next to him. I think that guy's so hot. And I think he's hot, like, if you even take away the crime, he's so, he's like my kind of guy. I like that she said, if you even take away the crime. But the crime kind of helps. For me,

Because of the type of, you know, because it's this pursuit of justice. It's this pursuit of justice. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. He's like a real life Batman, but like going about it, you know. But the thing is. Not the best way. There's better ways to go about it. But now we're living our whole life based on Luigi's interpretation of justice. Like what if you litter and then it's donezo for you?

I hate litterers, Corinne. I do too. I've almost gotten myself killed because I flipped off a guy who threw garbage out of his car and I didn't care. Maybe you and Louise, you're the perfect couple. I think we are because we both got tempers and we both hate injustices and we don't like when people get away with shit when they're really fucking a lot of people over and it's rude. When your presence on this earth does more harm than good,

I mean, I'm not going to do anything to you, but my boyfriend might. Right. The perfect road rage partner. Oh, my God. Luigi. We would be the best. What is that? Bonnie and Clyde. Bonnie and Clyde. What a power couple. And this right here, this right here is why the David Hatch, the first degree murderer is going to find someone right here. Looking for love in all the wrong places. Yeah. But you know who's not?

Today's guest. Yeah! How'd you know, Corinne? I had a feeling. She's a woman about town, guys. She is a lovely human being. She's a host. You've seen her on celebrity shows. She's like a New York social lady, kind of, but not annoying. She's cool, and she's a stand-up comedian. She's one of us. We had such a great conversation. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the podcast, Chanel Omari. Chanel Omari.

Okay, guys, we are here with comedian, with producer, celebrity curator. I just made that up, but it feels right. Chanel Omari, everybody. Welcome to the show. Celebrity curator. Hello. Thank you, guys. I love this. First of all, thank you for having me on. Of course. So excited to have you. This is on my bucket list. Yay. So I love it how I told Corinne I could die happy. She's like, please don't. Oh.

Yeah, please don't. This is such an honor. I want more for you as the co-host of this show. Thank you. Flattered, but also want more for you. I love the celebrity curator though. Yeah. I would say content producer, but also like, yeah, I've definitely booked and worked and produced with like celebrities. And that's gotta be interesting because we were talking earlier before the mics came on of like,

As a comedian, you tell the truth, right? The elephant in the room gets recognized by the comic. But like celebrities, some of them are cool with self-deprecating humor, but some of them I have found are not.

You got to try it. That was my Stephen Jenkins approach. I was going to say, when she tried to joke on Stephen Jenkins, who I've been in love with since I was 12, and I just, my asshole went through the ceiling. I should literally hit on men like that. Why don't I do that? Well, for someone like that, especially men, I just think it really, it's like, it's a way to see if this is going to be a good time or not.

Might as well figure that out up top. Yeah, I just want to see... Because otherwise it's just like me waiting to say something sassy. Yeah.

But yeah, no, Steven, well, especially, yeah, Steven just responded to it right away and I was like, I like this guy. Well, that's the thing. Like I did, so I've done a couple of, a lot of shows obviously and I've been doing comedy now, like hustling comedy, standup comedy, like 10 years, right? But just recently, it's like I'm getting my, I feel like it's like only the last five years you're really like making a name for yourself. You're really like pushing out there. You know, I'm still striving to pass the clubs obviously, like we'll get to that. But with celebrities, I think it's,

like making jokes. A lot of people were like, why don't you make jokes? Like I know Leonardo DiCaprio. He came to a show that we did with Mike Young. And then he walked out. Oh,

Oh no, that would kill me. He walked out. Because everyone was so old? No, well, Mark Norman was on, I don't know, have you heard of this famous celebrity gossip a little bit? Okay, so Mark Norman was on the same show as I was. Mike Young was hosting a show at the NED, which is a popular exclusive members club only. It's like the Soho House in New York City. You guys can check it out. I've heard of it. It's amazing. I'll take the two of you. You'll like it a lot. Thank you.

It's amazing and I love these places. And then they did comedy, stand-up comedy every Friday night. And they would have like a really cool DJ afterwards and they would invite like major celebrities.

I find doing, okay, so it just says that I find doing comedy at these, like I did it at Zero Bond. Oh my God, I love it. It's the hardest show. It's the hardest crowd. It's just hot people looking at you like, make me laugh, laugh clown. And you're like, am I in Sprockets? Like, what is this? That's why I love doing crowd work in those because they don't know what's to come. And if you're good with crowd work, that's when they'll laugh. Yeah, because they have this like,

I'm better than you. I secretly want to be you right now. And the guy that's paying for my bottles, he doesn't like me and he's obsessed with the comic on stage. This is what's going through their head. And then you're like, I have to make them laugh. And then you doubt yourself or I've doubted myself because there's rooms that I crush and then I go there and I'm like, oh, they're like smiling, laughing, not like really laughing. And I think Mark Norman was just like saying a joke. He went on before me, which is also hard to follow him. Sure.

And Leo was there kind of because he knows like a lot of people that we, Danny A, who's a director and a producer that I've worked with. He's very close friends with him. So he was just like, I don't get this comment. Like, I'm not because he was, I guess Mark Norman shouted out Leo and like said something about him as a joke. And not even like. Good for Mark. Not even offensive, you know. And then like, and then I think he was leaving literally in between his and then I'm about to get up. No.

And I'm like, Sam, like, great. This is like, I walk Leo. Leo's leaving. I'm like literally, you know, not even sure if I'm going to crush this room right now. I have like gorgeous supermodels and I just broke up with somebody and I feel like a loser. So I'm about to kill myself. Supermodels are like not the best audience. No, they're not. And I'm like, you're hotter and you act like I'm the worst. And I don't like that. Do you think that

Right. Is that like not the number? That's not the, that crowd you're going to want to sit, see your standup. People don't need humor in their lives. Humor is a coping mechanism for those of us who couldn't get by on our looks. Exactly. That's what I thought, but favored them so that we, and so now we make people laugh. Wait, I am so happy you're saying this. Are you sure? Because I feel like comedy now is like the modeling industry. We have 25 year olds in New York with crop tops. Yeah. Two years in getting stage time thrown at them and people telling me,

I don't know if you're ready yet. We don't have room for you. I don't know if you're ready yet. And I'm like, you know if I'm ready yet. That's the conflation. I mean, that's conflations of influencers and content creators and stand-up comedians, right? So I think a lot of those people are very talented, but maybe at content creation a lot of times. I'm not saying that no one hot has ever been good at stand-up. Obviously, they have. But that's why everyone got so hot because...

comedy became more commercially popular. Yeah. And so anytime something comes, becomes more commercially popular, everyone gets hotter. Yeah.

That's so true. Now that's really good. And I have a lot of jokes about like women who are like 11s, you know, because we live in New York City. There's so many of them. And whenever I do them and those, I'm like, surely this will crush. It's relatable. They fucking hate it. And I'm like, what? But I think it's because people that are that hot, they just get yes to death that they don't. It's like nothing amuses them.

I know. They're so used to it. That's why I feel like I don't base my stand-up. I started, so I go to therapy, but I've been on and off with therapy for years, and I started realizing that I need to be validating my own stand-up comedy, you know, and not what the bookers or these hot models or these hot guys or rich guys in these places think of me or not. Because Zero Bond, that's a really she-she cool place. It's the hottest place in New York City right now. People can't even get into that place. Wow.

That's why you got to get hired as the court jester and get your way in. Exactly. I love the hired clown guys. Don't worry, I'm on the list. Do guys hit on you after the show? I don't know. I was having a very in-depth conversation about dating someone with bipolar disorder with one of the servers. So I wasn't really making myself available. That's interesting. And not to like...

Dating a bipolar person. That's not always... I don't suggest it. I've done it and it's really... It's not for the me. No offense to the community because I understand mental health and I support it and I respect it. But I always say when you're dating someone who's going through mental health issues, they have to also know and be aware of their own mental health issues and want to get the help. Right. In order to... And if they're taking care of themselves, all right, we can work with that. Exactly. We all got issues. We all got issues. But you need to get you first. You need to be behind yourself first. Right. Yeah. And I think...

Yeah, I think stand-up comedy for me for a while, it's been tough because I've compared myself to influencers who are just coming in and they are talented. But there's so much more competition. It's so much more commercial. I remember a time where...

I was doing this and not a lot of people liked comedy or doing standup comedy. So there was more room to grow. The good old days. I know I miss those days. So the good old days. With Romney Dangerfield. I feel like, did anyone book him? Cause he was gorgeous. No, it's just a respite for ogres. You know, that's, that's why I got into comedy. I would listen.

I'm making a mistake. We're hot in comedy. But you're hot. No, I was trying to be the hottest person in the room and I was for many years in comedy, you know? And how does... And then too many people caught on. Yeah. And they're like, wait a second, I want that attention. But,

I remember when we were at the Creek in the Cave when we were, I don't know how old we were. We were in our 20s. Yeah. And the Legion of Skies guys were like, oh, those are the hottest girls in comedy. Yeah. Low bar. But sure. But I was like, wait, stop. What? Stop it. I don't want to be called hot by the guys, digital guys. No. No.

I feel like comedy is high school, though. Don't you feel a little bit? Sure. Stand-up comedy reminds me a lot of high school. The whole world is a bunch of people who never grow up and are still fighting demons that they haven't fought from 10, 20, 30 years ago. And once you realize that, life is going to go a lot smoother. I think I need that. Thank you for that advice because I'm learning that and now I'm like, oh, okay.

Yeah. No one's the shit. No one's the shit, even though they pretend to be the shit. So I think that's the trigger. Like for me, I'm like, how, why don't we all just be humble and get along? And that's like easier said than done. Yeah. But you know, you know, a lot of celebrities and like, you know, a lot of celebrities that I would think are humble. Like they'd certainly appear to be. I'm like, Oh, they seem grounded as hell. So it is possible. I remember when we opened for Dave Chappelle, um,

I was like, oh, I was so taken aback by how grounded he was. And I was like, oh, it is possible to be like so, so, so super famous and everybody's obsessed with you. Especially when you're drinking whiskey straight out of the bottle. Yeah, yeah. That's super cool. It makes it a lot easier. Are you kidding? And smoking a pack an hour. That's a legend. Oh my God. But like he was really cool.

and he was really sweet to us and really like he just gave a shit about comedy. I'm like, oh man, okay, thank you for proving something important to me which is that just because you're famous doesn't mean you're automatically a dick. Yeah, I feel like I worked with Paris Hilton for a long time back in the day. She seems cool. She's the nicest, coolest, humble person. I've heard so many times that she is so, so, so kind. So kind and so like chilling down to earth. I think she taught me

I think a lot of times, like, my family also says, like, why don't you ever brag or talk about, like, what you have done and your accomplishments? Maybe that's what will, like...

you know, make people want to give you more opportunity. Right. And I think I learned from working with these celebrities, like, yeah, you can have it all. You can be so talented, but if you're arrogant, you're just an ugly person and no one's going to want to work with you. And everyone will talk about it. And everyone will talk about it. And, and, and so she really taught me like the importance of like her and Lindsay, like both said, like, no matter what, it's not worth engaging in drama in the industry. And it's not worth thinking you're above everyone. Always be kind, always give back, always try,

try to be level-headed, you know? Like, everyone's equal. Yeah, and Lindsay Lohan is someone who's been, I would say, very abused by the press. Like, very... I would imagine it's very traumatizing to, like, the things that have been written about her. It's like, give her a fucking second. Like, all of the... Like, after Mean Girls and stuff, like, she's drunk with Britney Spears. No shit, dude. She's young and she's famous. This is not fun. Like, it's not an easy thing. Also, yeah, anyone who was a child star, I feel like...

your whole life has been given to the public and that's, there's no, there's no price you can put on that. There is no. And also I think, and now she's doing, she's amazing. She's married. She has a baby. She lives in Dubai. She's so cool. She lives in Dubai full time. She's, she's has three movies on Netflix and she literally is glowing and, and in a different time. And I feel like she's the one who taught me cause I would work with her and I'm like, how do these things not bother you? Yeah.

How do you not get bitter? A lot of it was not true because they're tabloids at the time. It's not social media where you can really fact check. That would piss me off. I would be so pissed. If a paper put me on the front page and said I was doing something that I wasn't, I'd have a very tough time dealing with that. I had a tough time for us like her because there was times that I also wanted a career and I didn't want to – I was like, how do you not care? You need to really stand up for yourself. And she taught me. She's like –

There's going to be so many haters as many people that love you. You can't fight that battle every time. You need to not engage and know who you are and validate who you are. That's how you become like bigger and better instead of like hanging out with people who are going to bring you down. And so I think I learned that from a long time ago. Like you need to really –

Trust yourself and stick to yourself and not listen to what people say about you or say about like – It's just not personal. Because it's not personal. Well, that's the other thing that's got to be – It's a business. Frustrating about being a celebrity because I remember I met Mara Wilson once and she

and she was the star of Matilda, which is a movie that in Home Alone I would watch every day. Matilda was like all I wanted to be. I would reenact the – I would try to make Cheerios move. And I remember I met her and I was acting like – and everybody was. I'm like, that's got to be –

tough because it was a role you played as a child that was epic and it will always be in pop culture but like people feel like you belong to them because you are part of my childhood it's like no you're a person the character was a part of my childhood so I can't imagine like that doesn't get a little frustrating it is it's frustrating and lonely and I think a lot of times celebrities had no choice but to even if they have therapists or a good support system you know like

not fall off the rails, but just have a hard time with mental health, you know, which I don't blame them. I mean, if somebody talks badly about me on a podcast, I go from zero to a hundred. I'm like, wait, what's going on? Like, you know, cause I always, you always want to have like this strong, good image. But even me, I was, I was on a reality show on Bravo.

Which one? For one season, yeah. Which one? The Princesses of Long Island. Did you guys hear of that? Oh my God, that's amazing. Did you hear of that show? I heard of it, but I think I heard of it because I've been friends with you for a long time. I'm like, she's like, I didn't like try to go on Bravo and watch it and stream it. But if you want to feel better about your life, you can stream it on Peacock 10 years later. I feel like that's Bravo's tagline. You want to feel better about your life? Watch any one of our shows. Watch Princesses of Long Island.

While Bravo makes the residuals and Chanel Amari stays broke anyway. Well, yeah, I can't watch any of the shows where it's a bunch of women fighting with each other. I can't do it. That's why everyone loves the Housewives. Except when Teresa's thrown a table because that was really enjoyable. I just can't. I've tried so many times to get into the real Housewives. It's just too much women fighting with each other. I agree with you. It's toxic. It gives me anxiety. I think it's bad for society.

And I like, and I've met a lot of those women individually and I like them. Right. Yeah. They're good people. Like the majority of us are really good people in real life. It's just when you're putting it, you're put in a setting, which any of us, right. Even comedians, if there was a show about comedians together, like trying to make it and we were all in a room, um,

you start seeing certain personalities. It's almost like survival, right? Yeah, yeah. And everyone's, every woman or man for themselves. And for me, it was hard because on my show, I tried to be the peacemaker. I didn't like women fighting. Those were my real friends. And then Bravo said, ugh,

boring Chanel. They're like, one of them said you look fat today. I gotta go. They're like, you're not pretty enough. Um, and we're going to substitute you for somebody younger and prettier. Okay. That's why I'm fucked up with the whole superficial. They actually say that to you. Well, there was things in conscious, like, no, they didn't say that, but there are things like with reality TV people or actresses where, you know, you shouldn't gain a certain amount of weight or you should stay the same. Uh,

Preferably like, you know, not change your looks if they casted you this, you know, that way originally. There's a lot of that stuff that you can't, that is taboo to talk about in the industry. And you think it's okay because you're going along with it. You're like, I want to be on TV. This is fine. Right. And then you realize after you're like, this wasn't okay. Yeah, that's fucked up. Like you said you picked me because of who I am genuinely. Yeah.

Well, yeah. I mean, I think in this industry, you're constantly asking yourself at what cost. That's a question I ask myself a lot. It's like, okay, so these are all the things that I wanted. And then it's like, what is the cost you're willing to pay? And for me, you know, I don't know, 15 years into being in the entertainment business, not a lot. The cost is not a lot because it's not worth it because the prize that you're getting is not that valuable. Right.

Well, that's I respect that about you. Like, how do you know that? That's what I think I'm battling through is like general. Like, how do you know?

what to say no to and what to say yes to. And that's what I'm focusing on for my, like to, I mean, I go, yeah, I mean, I'm going off into intuition a lot. Like to make you feel if I, I need to go to bed feeling clean, basically. It's a promise I made to myself a long time ago, back when I was like just interning, I was like, I know this, uh, I know this industry is going to be a rough ride, but I need to go to bed every night with a clean conscience conscience. That was the promise that I made to myself. Um,

And I mean then – but I mean buckle up and sit back as other people get Netflix specials. Well, it's also debating between like your – is your soul making the decisions or is your ego making the decisions? And I am – I personally am someone who can get – I think we all can. But like I remember when I got a Mustang. I was like, I'm the shit and I would just drive around like not recklessly but like

I'm like, look at this ego inflation I'm getting from driving this fucking muscle car. Like, you know, if I was like young, hot, famous and talented and being praised, I

I don't know what that would do to me. Well, to go back to that, when I had the 15 minutes of fame, because any show on Bravo, one season, five seasons, they have these fanatic fans. Absolutely. I'm sure same like fanatic fans of Guys We Fucked. When they're going crazy over you, you can do no wrong. Yeah. I would walk the streets and people would grab me, want to take a picture at the height and

And it was ego, right? I was like, oh, I love this attention. I never got attention from my family. This is great. Word. That's my thing too. I'm like, wait, why do you love me more than my mom? Literally. Why are you okay with me like being, walking in my pajamas right now and no brush chair? But my mom would yell at me and be like, did you brush your hair? She's like this Jewish Colombian Long Island. Did you brush your hair? Jewish Colombian? Amazing. She'd be like, nobody's going to like you.

She didn't know better. Yeah. She always like tried to like, she was more like a misogynist because she like went after like what my dad and I was like, no, I'm going to stand up for myself. I'm going to do what I think is right. Who you think you are. Yeah. But at the height, like people would say things that weren't true about me or I would read an article the next day that like my dad sold me out and it's like crazy. What the fuck? Because at the time we were selling our house and-

He was talking to a reporter and he didn't know that person was a reporter, which this is like real shit that I used to deal with like Lindsay in Paris where sometimes your family members do things that they don't know. Yo, that would crush me. Yeah, it did crush me. I had a lot of trust issues for a really long time. And he didn't mean it. I know that. I love my dad. My dad was awesome. Like you'd meet him. He's cool. But I think everybody with fame...

doesn't know how to deal with fame until they're in it and until they're learning from it. Does that make sense? Well, because it's where like almost as Americans anyway, we're taught that that's the thing you want, especially nowadays. That's why I feel for current teenagers and current people in their 20s. I'm like, oh, I feel for you because that notion of like fame

If you're famous, you're a good person. If you're famous, you're important. Yeah. If you're famous, you'll get whatever you want. I actually find it a relief right now. I've never wanted fame less because so many people are achieving it that to me it's lost value. It's not as special. The market value of fame has gone down because it's –

It's easier. It was more appealing when it was harder. And I mean, what are we categorizing as fame? Having a million followers on Instagram. There's tons of people who all go to their page and they have a million followers. I've never heard of this person. I've never seen this person. I don't know what they do. I look at their reels and I say, still not sure. Right. Because I'm going to say, yeah, what do you think is famous? Ariana Grande worldwide. Everyone knows your name. That's very famous. To me, it's...

To me, when we talk about famous, you have to be like, it's like there should be something attached to that. Like, I guess there are the exceptions, like a Kim Kardashian who is, you know, we cannot deny that she is famous for what?

There are these couple of people who are famous for being famous, right? And I think you can have a few of those Kim Kardashians, but everyone can't be famous for being famous. So what is it? There has to be some kind of a skill, some kind of a barrier you broke down, some kind of a talent attached to it. So Ariana Grande is easy because you go, she has a voice that is better than almost anyone's voice I've ever heard. Easy. We understand why she's famous. Next. Next.

Which, by the way, to your point, that's why I didn't – a lot of people would be like, oh, Chanel, you're so lucky. You have a lot of famous friends, right, growing up. They can help you. Sure. But that didn't get me anywhere. I was like a socialite and, again, famous for being famous. Like I wouldn't say I was famous for being famous, meaning maybe famous or associated with famous people. Yeah.

And that wasn't getting me anywhere. So I had to create like a skill set in standup comedy or be like, you know, I talked even with my celebrity friends. You're very funny. You should go into standup, like creating art forms, you know, acting, hosting, producing, writing. That's also like art and bringing something to the table because you're right. Like you can get your foot in the door with a pretty face and you can get your foot in the door with famous friends, but

But, and Kate Hudson said this once and it was so true. Like, but if you don't bring your art and your skillset, like what you guys are saying to the table, it's, you're not going to have longevity. And that's what really kills like an artist in Hollywood. It's like, why can I get booked? Why am I not getting booked? You know, that desire and not knowing why. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Absolutely. So wait, just so everyone is clear, like how do you, how did you originally become friends with all these famous people? It's a good question. So,

I, I originally from Long Island. So a lot of like Lindsay Lohan, for example, she grew up on Long Island and I had worked with her and I met her through mutual friends in high school. So we both went to

Two separate high schools in the same town, which was the south shore of Long Island, where she's originally from. And we had a mutual best friend. We became close. She was filming, though, a lot during that time. We were like 16, 17 years old. She was already filming Mean Girl. She was already filming Freaky Friday and all that great stuff. And her mom was very close with my parents. And she would do carpools. And she knew I wanted to be in the entertainment industry. So she was like...

look, I know you want to be in the entertainment industry. Why don't you start assisting Lindsay? Oh, yeah, that's a good first step. To get your feet wet and understand what this business requires and do a lot of hard work. See if it's something you're interested in. Yeah. And so I started that way with her. And then through Lindsay is how I met Paris Hilton, Britney Spears, Kim Kardashian, all those. Oh, you met Britney? Yeah, she was so nice too. She's the sweetest. I have so many bits about Britney Spears, but they're all surrounded by like, don't look away. We did this to her.

Like, stop it. Don't go, I'm freaked out. That's our fault. Like, the way Britney Spears was treated in terms of like, how dare you be fuckable? Like, when the music industry was the one who curated everything about her, I'm like, ugh.

And then I learned about her singing voice when they were like – they wanted her to sing in a weird octave, which is why her voice is like the way it is. Yeah. I'm like, that's so – this poor girl. Well, and we've learned nothing because Tate McRae is going through the same shit that Britney Spears went through right now. Oh, shit. Yeah. It's like Britney – it's like Britney take two. So all the millennials are watching this Gen Z and we're like, we already did this. It didn't end well. But that's the thing. Like what is – why can't society get around in my –

like someone being a sex symbol and talented, I mean a woman in general, a star, a woman who's a star that they wouldn't give the same shit to a guy, you know? Oh my God. And I think that's where like, it's either you play nice in Hollywood and be the good girl, which is something we don't have. And I mean, we have in us, but like, I'm more of a rebel. I don't know about you guys. That's hard to be like, you need to play by the rules or you don't play by the rules. And then,

that, you know, everything is exposed about the normal side of you, like the human nature side of you, you know? Like I remember we went to the Beverly Hills Hotel at the time. This is like, they call them the Brat Pack with like Lindsay. Oh, like Britney in Paris. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we were literally laying there. I was doing business for them, like setting up photo shoots that day, I remember, and we were laying by the pool and, you know, someone takes a photo being like, she's going through a meltdown. She wasn't going through a meltdown. She was like,

and smiling and enjoying herself. But like people couldn't wrap their head around that. Like she shaved her head and now she's by the pool, like chilling and laughing with her friends. Like all of a sudden that makes her crazy.

You know, and that's the thing that's like, people have to stop doing. Yeah. And also the energy, like, so people's energy, I think everybody can understand whether they would describe themselves as woo woo or not. You know, when you're in a room and somebody staring at you and you can't see that person staring at you, you feel it. So every single person on this planet understands that feeling. Yeah. Uh,

I found it interesting. I didn't watch a lot of the Kardashian reality show, but I remember one episode I watched that really stuck with me where Kendall Jenner, who she was just so anxious all the time. She was like a ball, like a ball of anxious mess. And she had these sound healings and stuff. And I'm, and I remember thinking, I'm like,

She was so famous at the time. And I'm like, that amount of energy on you, there's no way you can't feel that. Like Britney Spears, the amount of sexual energy from gross men on her, but even the amount of like women who wanted to be her, like it's all a lot. Like, and you can't only protect yourself so much. What are you supposed to not leave your home? Like, yeah. Well, like, yeah. And a lot of, and a lot of celebrities end up not leaving their home. Which is so true.

Which is terrible. I had one season of a reality TV show, but because it was so heightened, I didn't leave my, literally, I was living on Long Island with my parents. I didn't leave my closet in my room for a week because I was like, I don't want to deal with the Twitter. You feel naked. Yeah, you feel naked. I was also broken up with on TV, so that wasn't so pretty. Oh my God.

And it was a real relationship? Yeah. Real relationship. He left me for a younger woman. Cute. But weren't you like 25? Was she 12? Yeah, she was 19. This is what I've been experiencing. Barely legal. I've been experiencing since a fetus. A younger woman? That's hilarious. Everyone leaving me for a younger woman. Oh my God. Since I'm like 10. It's so hack at this point. Like. So I don't understand. I'm trying. I do understand guys wanting sex.

They don't want a problem. They don't want a woman who knows what she wants and won't take shit. But there is more problems with younger women. There's just different problems. And it's like... I'm realizing as I get older, I'm like, it's not that she like...

looks young. Obviously it's a huge part of it. And I get it. Like we all love like hot young people. Sure. Fine, fine, whatever. But I, I do think there's also a part that's like, she doesn't know how to stand up for herself yet. And that's easier for me. Like for, in terms of the guy's perspective. I mean, I'm just, I mean, you can just analyze yourself. Like I'm much more difficult to date much more now because I keep saying, don't do that. Hey mister. Let me do.

I ain't gonna pull up with that shit. I'm like, you're hurting me. Can you stop? Yeah. Dating someone who advocates for themselves is a pain in the ass. I agree, man. Yeah. I agree. We've dated. We've dated. We've had guys on this, in that chair that you're sitting in, Chanel, say things like women in their thirties and forties, they're just like mad. And I'm like, why do you think that is, motherfucker? At you. At you. Cause I hate every guy I've ever fucked. Yeah. Literally. Literally.

And then just to flip it on the other side, I mean, like, I read some, like, think pieces on this, but I do find this to be true because I started dating younger guys. And I do say, like, I think, like, if you are in a place where you hate men, like, try dating a younger guy because the same way as we're mad when we get older because we've been mistreated, young guys are really sweet. And it's not, like, fake. They're really sweet because they haven't had their heart destroyed by a woman yet.

That's why I have to stop going for the older men. You're right. I think it goes both ways. Yeah. But then if you break up with that guy, then you help create another monster. Although I think it's their own responsibility. That's so funny because I've had issues dating –

It's not one-sided. Yeah, everyone seems to seem like only women are changing. Men are also changing. Oh, they get crusty as hell. It's funny. Younger men like me more. Yeah, everyone's nice in their 20s because, yeah, they haven't gone through all this shit yet that makes you human. And we're just like, anything's possible. Yeah, they think everything's possible. Yo, when I moved here, when I moved here, I was 19, and I'm like, what are we going to do tonight? We're going to go to a bar? Like, I was amazed by everything. So, like, I was probably a joy to be around. Yeah, at first I thought, like, look, I have had a lot of men leave me for younger women.

First time on national TV. Okay. Can you walk us through this? And that was really, yes, hard for me. Even though I did, I don't know how I inspired a lot of women on Twitter, but women will buy them together when they feel like a guy leaves you for a younger woman or just his ex. That was like the thing. And I don't really usually like drama or get mad. I love to be kind. I love to be good, but-

you know, it takes so much Chanel. It only takes so much in that scene. He tried to change the narrative. Like most men do. Why are you so mad? You know, it was all your fault. And then I just literally, I say this, I'm like, let me break it down for you because you have to remember producers are out there. Not always on your side. No, they're mostly not. You're on your own. You're like, wait a minute. This is war. Yeah. I will show you war. You,

to play with Chanel? Let me just break it. And so I was smart enough to be like, no, I'm going to show you and explain to the audience what's really happening and what really happened to me and how I really struggled through this breakup. And they edited it out. I thought I was going to marry this guy and he was younger than me. Okay. How much younger? I was 26. He was 21. Okay. That's a big difference. Yeah.

And the Jewish community, that is, you're ready to get married, but I get it. Like, you're not ready to get married. Who's ever ready to get married? In their 20s, yeah. And just being on national TV, he kind of blamed me for putting it out there. And I'm like, but you signed up for this too. You can't always blame the woman for everything and never take accountability for what your part in this whole thing is too. Even if it's like not signing up to be on camera, which he did, and to talk about it, he thought it was going to go a different way.

And when it doesn't go these men's way, they get angry at you, meaning me, the woman who's like standing up for herself and really went through this heartbreak and now needs some coping mechanism to make it okay. And when this happened and it aired, I did feel a little violated. How so? I felt like everyone was in my business and like I was already processing the breakup and I was having such a hard time with the breakup. Yeah.

that I didn't really I know people some people meant well but it's like imagine like people you don't know coming up to you in the street and be like I'm so sorry that he broke your heart I'm so sorry he's with his ex and I'm like uh I hate myself you know like I don't know what it feels violent violating is a really good way to play right and vulnerable yeah and just like you know to Corinne and I had this episode that a lot of our listeners like it's like a fame the most famous episode it's called the breakup episode where we both broke up with our partners at the same time we

We didn't end up telling each other. And then I was like, hey, I broke up with Steven. She's like, all right, I might as well tell you I broke up with my boyfriend. So we had this like really like very vulnerable. I went to Corinne's living room. We were crying on the floor like we were still like it was very fresh. And then like a week later after that aired of just like how much, you know, the relationship meant to us and how a part of our lives they were. And then they're just getting the guys were getting all these DMs, our exes from fans in quotes that were trying to fuck up.

That's what I'm like, girl, how did you, these hoes ain't loyal. What these hoes are not loyal. And when a woman hurts my feelings, I know this is like maybe like sexist to say, but I'm like a woman, I expect it from a man, you know, like with my ex, like I feel like, listen, he's a good person. He's a good guy. And like,

We are on our own journey. We're on our own journey. He has attributes, but he's not like, he's not Brad Pitt, honey. Okay. Yeah. He's not Brad Pitt. And the attitude seems Brad Pitt. And then all the girls went after him. These like crazy young, hot girls that were like talented went after him after they found that. Like I dated him. Like I,

I'm not saying that's ego a little bit. I'm not saying from an ego standpoint because of me. I'm just saying in general, right? Yeah. You hear that a hot girl or girl you look up to or a girl that you're a fan of is dating someone and you didn't really think about him. Now, all of a sudden, he's so fuckable. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's where I'm just trying to...

not go for those like types anymore I'm trying to actually like seriously that's how ugly losers get fucked though because I made that mistake like like someone will show me a picture be like oh this is my ex-girlfriend and then the guy you're looking at his face and you're like he's ugly and seems like a loser but this looks like a picture of a hot cool girl how so maybe I should have sex with him just to see and then I go oh nope got tricked again yeah

I'm sorry. He has small dick energy? I didn't know that. So you said you've hated all the guys you've fucked. Who have you hated the most? Oh, that's a great question. And why?

And how does it devolve into this? Love and hate are so close together. It's freaky. I know, and I've been thinking about that. I'm like, how could I love this man so much? Which I probably still love him. That's why I hate him. I think we all hate the people we love a little bit, right? Like that guy that you can't really get, you can't control, you can't get him to commit. Humiliates you in front of the world, which is fine because I'm used to that. But I think it's, for me, it was probably my most recent ex because...

I loved him so hard, so loud. It's scary to love somebody a lot. It's scary and I was also a little naive because like,

It was within the community that we're in and the industry that we're in. And it affected my life, not only personally, because we all go through breakups. It affects us personally. But then we're in the public eye somewhat, and it affects us professionally and publicly. And that's really hard. And being friends with the same circle, you might not be friends anymore because people tend to choose a side. And I don't like to be immature, so I try to rise above it.

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You're a better woman than I, Chanel. Am I? Because I feel... I don't rise above it. I scream at my... I don't know how my apartment has not been burned down. I go so low you can't even tell where I am. I mean, I do not see that because I'm like, do I go low? Do I go high? You're right. I think going high is like the hardest thing. It's so hard. And I think the reason part of me hates him is because I knew I shouldn't have fucked him in the first place. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. When you...

When you're really mad at yourself. The future and you're like, I'm psychic. This motherfucker is going to hurt me. He's not that worth it. I don't know why I'm doing this to myself, but I'm a self-masochist, so I'm going to cut myself today. Yeah. With this man's dick. And I just think that people, and also, by the way, like,

I try to be friends with this ex or in general with exes doesn't work at all because... I've never been friends with an ex in my life. You've never been friends with an ex? Ever. I mean, I haven't. Have you? Yeah. Yes. Yeah. I'm friends with some of my exes. But I feel like ultimately, even if it's for a little bit of time, you'll be like, all right, this isn't a lifelong friendship. Right, because there's boundaries. You moved on for a reason. Yeah. So I think that like...

I also think it's been hard because there's sometimes it's taboo in the industry where like if you do shit where you eat and that person has more power and you're not feeling like valued or booked enough or your art isn't being taken seriously because you slept with someone or dated someone or had history with someone, which I don't believe at all. I think that's wrong. I think people should be able to be mature after they date and separate their ways and

Let bygones be bygones, you know, and not drag it on because you left me for like a 26 or 28 year old that like hangs around the club. And now like I can't be there because I'm 40. It's like I'm also still young and I know I shouldn't like say my age like I could change it. But like, you know what I mean? Like that's where I think.

we as women have to make better decisions. Like, you know what, this might be tempting, but like my career, you know what? Standup comedy is more important to me. Yeah. You know, then you're small. It's giving your, it's giving your, well, and like giving into those, that insecurity is giving your power away too. Even though like, it's very tempting to give into it, but it's like, Oh, I can choose to not let this bother me and fake it till you make it is pretty valuable with that kind of stuff. Because it's like, this doesn't matter. And if I'm,

like succumbing to the insecurity of the situation I'm saying that it does I'm agreeing that it does so like you gotta you gotta fight hard to stay soft you gotta fire yeah it's hard for me because like I'll go zero to a hundred yeah really quick to stand up for like going back to what we said like standing up for yourself I stand up for myself a lot in relationships I'll call it out I don't yell I'll be nice about it at the first few times I'll try to communicate and it's like

I've just dated a lot of unemotionally available men. Unavailable, right? Emotionally unavailable men. Yeah. That have already had somebody. And I'm so naive because I'm such a helpless romantic. I'm like, oh, he's so into me because like he looks like Frodo. But you know what I mean? Like you're like, I see.

to me like he's never gonna stray oh yeah when you date physically down and you're like oh this is a shoo-in I'm gonna get treated like a princess and they're gonna be obsessed and then when it doesn't go that way you're like how dare you yeah you find out they're like dating or fucking like seven other girls you're like I can't even handle you yeah you know so that I think it's like it's really hard to

I just don't recommend it for anyone. I know there are great examples in the industry that there's couples I look up to and I'm like, how did you make this work? How did you not let this interfere in your relationship? You know, the competition of it all, the resentment of it all. And...

Yeah, but how do you know what's really going on in their relationship? That's true too. I know like three people who have a good relationship, if that, in the entire world out of anyone I've ever met. Like you don't think it's normal to have like... It's just like, I mean, what is a good relationship? I mean, I know lots of people with functional relationships. Relationship, I think the spine of a romantic relationship is almost dysfunctional. And I also think that about families in general. Like most families have like a lot of dysfunctional elements, some more extreme than others. But like...

It's just when people are in close quarters for a long period of time, shit's going to be weird. Right. It's not like, oh, personal. I'm not attracted to you anymore or I'm not. There's just other problems that arise. And I think men don't want to deal. They say, oh, women in their 30s and 40s are just mad. You're right. You got us there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you're not really supporting...

aging gracefully or like wanting to date a woman between those ages that who, like a woman who knows what she wants and will stop you and communicate with you and say, no, that's not okay. The way you're treating me. Yeah. I also think some of this is in our head. Honestly, I got, I get hit on more in like my late thirties than I did in my twenties. Really? Yeah. I mean by a different group of people. Right. But,

If that's all you're looking for, it's actually hotter people now. It's hotter and younger. Hotter and younger people. Oh, fun. So prefer that. Okay, Leo. Oh, Leo. I love Leos. I'm attracted to Leos a lot. Oh, I was saying Leonardo DiCaprio, meaning like... No, Leo the sign is hot, though. Leo the sign is hot, yeah. But that's the thing is I think...

Yeah, I think that it's okay to stand up for yourself. Oh, yeah. And I think this whole also pressure with society, like about getting married. I'm not into that anymore. It's like when I find the one. So I started, I met with a matchmaker. Oh, cool. How was it? Really cool. I think that's what people should do. Like if you really seriously want to find someone, you should, I'll recommend it to you. A friend of mine, he runs this.

amazing matchmaking service called three day rule. They match you with like literally amazing matches that like, you know, that have what you want. Well, I think that's a great, because yeah, if you want, if it's a serious part of your life to get a partner, you have to take it seriously. Correct. And that's what we forget. Oh yeah. That's why like hinge and a lot of dating apps are just like, oh, so depressing. Cause like people aren't taking it seriously. Exactly. Yeah. You have to take it seriously. And they teach you how to date.

Oh, really? Which is interesting. Well, I was going to ask what the three-day rule is. So they set you up with a coach. And I realized like – Swingers. Maybe I'm not a good dater. I wish. I could be a good communicator, but maybe I'm not a good dater. Dating is weird. Dating is weird. A lot of us aren't great daters and I think she like let me realize that. So she has – they're either a man or a woman who match makes you. They have coaching session with you over the phone. They have –

a matchmaker teach you how to date. So how do you, how do you date? They'll do like a rehearsed date with you and it's cute. And they will like, literally you have to pretend like they're the person and like they teach you like how much to talk, what to talk about, like what to ask, you know, how to get that second date. Yeah. I didn't realize how much of a job it is. Yeah. It's like a full time job. Literally going to apply for regular jobs. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure. You need to want to have the time for it. And then they set you up.

with a person that matches you and it takes three days like for you guys to decide if you want to move forward okay like actually meet in person uh you meet in person but like to go to the second date oh okay oh that's good through the matchmaker so she can't drag your feet yeah because i feel like with straight men more than straight women i've noticed like straight men are like well what if there's something better out there like they kind of have that little anxiety to them that i notice that i'm like oh i don't know if women don't really have that

What? That I've seen. I think that the whole time I'm dating anyone. Wait, what if there's somebody better option? Oh, and I'm just so floored I like somebody that I'm like, here you are. I've been waiting for you. I know. I need your vitality, Corinne. Not right now, but I mean, a lot of times. But I think that's also, I just actually like my boyfriend. But yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah. I mean, all the time. Why? Anytime someone does something that you're like, does it maybe align with the way you're

you would like see the world or something. I'm like, maybe this isn't it. You know, maybe there's someone more aligned. I also, we don't catch like,

The matchmaker also helps you think about red flags that I haven't necessarily caught or I caught. Oh, I never catch them. What are some examples? I miss them every time. So when a guy love bombs you in the beginning. Oh, it feels so good, huh? That's my drug. It's like I'm the bell of the ball. That's my drug. I thought at first I thought I was a sex addict. Then I realized I'm not. Yeah. I'm just a relationship addict.

Yeah, yeah. I love when men tell me how amazing I am and how much they love me and how pretty I am because I'm seeking validation from them, which I shouldn't be. Well, there's also this thing of like, well, I think I'm great. So if you also think I'm great, then you're smart. You figured it out, buddy. You figured out the key. Yeah, no, I mean, it's nice. You go, oh, wow, look, we already have something in common.

we both think I'm great. Yeah. Yeah. That's where, that's where it comes from. I think. And also I'm like, I need more of it. Yeah. It's great. Love bombing is very, very hard to protect yourself from. Everyone likes it. I also think that women in the, or especially in their early twenties, they're like a love bomb by the world in a way. Like, cause I'm going back to when I go back in time to my early twenties, I'm like,

allowed me to get away with stuff and when I was I moved in when I was 19 I went into every club every bar and they're like just show me your ID and it said 19 like you know my birthday and they're like great thanks like I had carte blanche to do fucking anything and I feel like

there is a love bombing thing that happens when you're a girl in your 20s. Yeah. That you're like, wait, and then time's like, that's not gonna last forever. And you're like, yeah, it is. And then all of a sudden these guys like ghost you. Yeah. They'll love bomb you so hard. Yeah, that sucks. And that's also part of the addiction. Like,

Why does he like me? He told me he loved me. Yeah. He told you he loved you when he was inside of you and now he doesn't mean it anymore. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's why a lot of times I don't even, now when I've been through therapy, I'm like, I'm also realistic about who I dated. I'm like, these guys are really guys I slept with. They're not guys that were my boyfriends.

They're not guys that were totally. And sometimes love bombing, like it gets you in a headspace. That's so weird that like when something's healthy and they're like showing their track, a new guy you're dating is showing attraction to you in a healthy way. You're like, this is, what is this shit? Is this bread crumbing? And you're like, no, that's healthy. It's called a normal healthy pace. Yeah. He shouldn't be obsessed with you right away. You shouldn't want to like talk about moving in together week, week one or two. That's a major red flag. You want that addiction. But if he's telling you,

we need to move in together or like I'm leaving my... Other people, sometimes there's friends of mine who have dated married men. Yeah. I mean, I don't know how they do that. I don't judge them, but they have. Yeah, yeah. And the guy will say, I'm leaving my wife for you. He's not leaving his wife for you. No. To nine out of ten times. Yeah. You know, or...

even breadcrumbing. Like, yeah, like I'm going to keep you there. We're going to hang out. We're going to go on a date. And then he never asks you on a date. Yeah. And he never, and then all of a sudden you, you're making a reservation at like Nell-O's for like 300 bucks that you don't have. Yeah.

My dad's the best. He's like, he has an accent. He's Middle Eastern. He's like, I don't understand who you think you are and who you think, even if you were rich, that you would take a man, he would respect you for that. Damn, dad. But that's a feminist thing. You want to also be able to take a guy you like out and not feel some type of way that he always has to court you. I think it's a give and take, but...

Another red flag that she told me was like also if you're paying a lot more. Oh, yeah. Just buying – you feel like you're constantly buying that attention from him or love with him. Also, a red flag now that I know that I just look out for – I'm in a relationship but like I just – my spidey senses get it right away is whenever a guy or probably a girl says all my exes are crazy.

That is immediately biggest. Run, bitch. Run. Run, bitch. That's and what if that's crazy. Right. And if he does speak nicely about his exes, that's a good. That's a great sign. If he has kind things to say. He speaks too nicely about one ex. Oh,

Oh, yeah. So that's what I was saying that you have to watch out for. That's why I hate my recent ex. There's so much to watch out for. There's so much. I just don't want to date an... I'm going to have a kid on my own. I'm not even going to get married. I've decided that because like... It's doable now. It's doable. I'm going to freeze my eggs. But even like with my recent ex, you know, it's that whole like...

Let me be really nice to my ex and talk nicely about my ex. That's also what you have to watch out for. And if they're still in touch with their ex, most likely they're going to end up with their ex or there's something going on there and you're the third party. Or they're just dating you until their ex comes around. Oh, that's the worst. That's the worst. Have I done that to other guys though? Yeah. I got to be honest about that. I wish I could do that. I don't think I've done that. I mean because I also date like one guy at a time because –

Yeah, it's overwhelming. And the matchmaker was like, you should be dating five guys at a time. Five? Like three to five. Does this matchmaker not have a job? I'm like, I don't have the luxury. It's a lot of time. Of getting also like. You got to talk to him. Yeah. And I'm lucky if I get one guy that I really like that likes me, that's going to hit on me. That doesn't even seem fun dating five guys at once. It's not fun. I could do three, I think.

Three is my max, I think. I think one time I did two. Do you ever hit on guys like in the wild? Like that's my move, man. All the time. If I think a guy's hot, I'm like, here you go. I don't know if you're single or straight, but if you are, that's my digits. All the time. My whole move is like asking them for coffee, which I probably should be asking them for a drink. Yeah, yeah.

Because like some will reject me and be like, this bitch is just, what is she like? Want to go on a job interview? Coffee also makes you feel like it feels older. Right. And they probably don't think like there's a nightcap after, a possible nightcap after that. Not after coffee. You're both trying to shit and you're like,

bounce it off the ceiling. Do you want a drink? What am I thinking? Why would I ask? Yeah, that's good getting to know you. Sometimes, yeah. I like to socially drink. Yeah, so like having a drink. Yeah. I mean, I don't even drink and I still just use the language. You know, have a mocktail. Yeah, so I could say you want to go for a drink. That's pretty much what I'm going to start doing now. Yeah. And I don't have a problem hitting on guys, but I do suggest that if you do hit on a guy, you should know for sure or

have an inkling that he isn't to you or attracted to you. Yeah. Or be okay with the rejection if he says, you know, no, because that's happened to me. Yeah. Where they'll be like, no to me. And then all of a sudden I'm like, they're, they're professing their love on social media, which is another thing. Um,

But yeah, I think asking a guy, always ask a guy if I like him out. It doesn't always last, you know, but I'm working on it. I think go for it. Take a risk. Don't settle for someone that you know likes you. Ask out the hottest guy in the room. Yeah, even if he says no. And you do feel like it is very empowering to like, I did a little experiment with myself. I'm like, I want to have, like I'm very sexual and I'm very, just a horny gal. And I've always admired the way men just kind of,

I don't know. They get like this, this thrill about like a beautiful woman, which I get. But like, I've tried to like think more like a man in some respects. I have this album saved Instagram album on my phone called guys. I'd fuck. And there's this guy. I don't know if you've ever heard of him. His name's Sam. Oh my God.

I'll just look at this when I get down about guys or like down about the world. Are you sure it's not my dad? Sam Hartman is from my vagina. It's like my vagina had an AI app and was like, hey, let's make the hottest guy on the planet that you can't even fathom is real. Okay, I can't wait to see this guy. Me and Christina historically do never think the same person is hot. The hottest guy on the planet. I can't even believe he exists. Wait, guys, I thought here we were.

Guys, I'd fuck the dude that you might not. You don't. Oh, Jesus Christ.

Look at him. He's handsome. Look at how hot. The hottest guy on the planet. Not even close. Oh my God. But handsome. Look at that fucking photo. Very handsome. He's handsome. He doesn't look like someone I'd want to hang out with. As a straight woman, it is so rare to be physically aroused. Yeah, he's a football player. To be physically aroused by looking at a picture of a man. That does not happen for me. I don't get that. That's why I get jealous of straight guys because I'm like, you get, you get this all

the time because there's just the way we sexualize women and there's so many hot women in the world and they're in your face. So you get to feel this thing. I don't get to and I love men but like oh my fucking God. Sam Hartman. He is hot. What? That doesn't do anything to you down there? I understand. He is attractive but there's something about him that I'm like I have no interest in hanging out with this guy. Because he's not my physical type. I'll vote for the guy who's not the best looking but has the swag.

Swag is so sexy. But here's Sam with swag and very nice clothes. That's a nice outfit. You also like when men dress a little too gay. I love a kind of like, are you gay? I really don't like that. See, for me, I feel the same way that you feel. I felt that way about Chris Cornell. Oh my God. Chris Cornell and Eddie Vedder from Audioslave. Chris Cornell is so hot. He's dead now. But yeah, I mean, Chris Cornell, like to me, that's like...

Someone so hot that I don't even know if I could be in their scene. Yeah. Brandon Boyd and Eddie Vedder in the 90s. I'm like, they're also in this album. I can't even. I go crazy. Who's really hot that recently I was in a room. That you're like, oh. I mean, you know. So not cool around hot. How do you guys feel about Emile Hirsch? Oh, so hot. So hot. So hot. But I don't know. So for me, that's someone who I'd be starstruck and be like, you're so hot. Yes. When we met Ryan Phillippe at the stand party, I was like, oof.

he was gorgeous but he was so he was so little that I was like I can't I can't be nervous around someone who I'm eye level with you're like me that's such

That's such a good joke. You're like, this is why Reese Witherspoon left your ass? Because you're short. No, he was really, really kind. I just, you know, actors are often very short. I just didn't, I guess I had never, I had never thought about Ryan Phillippe's height because I just never really thought I would be in the same room with him. And he was just like, let me go to the stand for a comedy show? He's friends with Tim Dillon. It was Tim Dillon's birthday. Oh, okay. Tim knows a lot of celebs. Bethany Frankel was there. Oh, that's really cool.

Ryan Phillippe has like the pillowy lips, which is really gorgeous. The lips. She was my crush too when I was younger. And when a guy has an ass like a shelf. I mean, after watching Cruel Intentions, if you weren't at least a little physically attracted to Ryan Phillippe, unless you're a lesbian, there's... You don't have a soul. There's, yeah. But do you think it wasn't just his looks? It was also the charm and the swag. No, yeah. Everything in that movie. And he talks really cool.

So you have to really listen. And he was kind of like that in real life. And I was like, I write, men should be quiet. Was he like, I listen to guys. He just, he was just like, he was just like really soft spoken. And I, and I, so that made me feel really safe.

I like that. I want to try that. I've never been soft spoken. Guys who talk too much, like I can't fuck them. I know. I'm sorry. I know. I love that. Have you done that? Have you gone through this? I love a guy. I talk too much. I love when a guy talks. You do? Yeah. I feel like I'm the guy sometimes when he's in my apartment. I'm like, you know what? Let's just get it over with because you're talking way more than me. Babe, let's play quiet mouse. The first one to talk loses. It depends.

who it is. I had a younger boyfriend who talked a lot, but I thought it was sweet because he was like emoting. But sometimes people are just, yeah, so I don't, I like a lot. I like when they talk and they're like philosophizing and shit. You know what I mean? That's my least favorite category of men. So what if we could get into a deep unless you're actually have a degree in what you're talking about. It's not the fuck out. Well,

They never do. They never do, but they all think they do. I know. Like men in general, if I had the confidence, I probably could rule the world. Sure. By now. Yeah. And that's why Corinne's running for mayor because she's like so many – well, one of the reasons like we always talk about on the show, so many guys go after opportunities that they're not qualified for. And I'm like, you know what? That's the move. I'm so happy you're running for mayor. Me too. Also, we've convinced ourselves that politics is this other sector and

that a different type of person does when in reality, when you really think about it, who should be running people? Who should be governing people? One of the people. Yeah. Right. Not someone removed from the people. I don't know how we got here. I know.

I am the most qualified to run because I'm not in the political bubble. I've been here with everyone else the whole time. And you can see what people want beyond their needs. You are outside of it, like you said. On these streets. You're on the streets. And I saw, like I've been seeing the videos how you're doing the work and like you're interviewing people, like regular New York citizens who deserve a better city. And who want a better city. Who want a better city because we need a better city. Yeah. We do. We need a better government. I mean, you know.

As the song goes, we're in the midst of a hostile government takeover. Yeah. You feel that way too? Because I've been feeling that. You can't tell Zelensky that he invaded Russia. What the fuck are you doing? Like, dude, what are you doing? It's so emotionally abusive. He's trying to gaslight. That's the thing. I feel like you can use these terms now, though, for the campaign. Like, literally these men who have been in power. Well, yeah.

Are just gaslighting you. Why would you vote for someone who's gaslighting you? Well, that's why. Some people like that though. It's weird. Because they've been trained. It's weird.

Like, they like being gaslighted. People want to feel safe, and I think a lot of times men in people's life who have made them feel safe have done so through manipulation and gaslighting, so that's what they equate with safety, when in reality it's just, like, dick swinging. It's not... Like, so many people are excited that Andrew Cuomo is running because he...

they see strength in him, but they're misconstruing strength for just being a bully, being someone who is retaliatory, being someone who is vindictive, being someone who says, if you say anything that is not aligned with what I said, you're out. But that's the thing. Like, when do you think you, like, how do you think we can change things? Which obviously you're running from it. People have to see the light, baby.

I know. And not enough do. You can't force them. Right. Like we can't force them. You really can't. Look, I mean, yeah, like I've been in, I've had friendships, relationships, family relationships where the person was so clearly the puppeteer and I was the puppet. And I've had friends try to tell me, you know, while it's happening and I get offended that they, how dare you? You're just mad that I have a mom or a boyfriend or whatever the fuck dumbass thing I said to them. And it's like when you learn for yourself, you're like, oh.

No. Exactly. And you never forget it when you learn for yourself. Right. You never forget it. And that's how you make the right decisions actually learning for yourself and not having, that's what I want to go through is like being free that I'm learning for myself and I'm not relying on this like,

I don't want to say mob, but like, it's kind of like the mob mentality. Like just this crew of like, whatever we say goes, trust us. We know what's best for you. It's like, do you? I know. And there's also this part of human nature that it feels good to be in a group. It feels good to be a part of something. And that's why there's extremist groups because, you know, no one wanted to be friends with you except the fucking, you know, Nazi kids. So, all right, cool. I'm a Nazi now. And you feel great and you feel empowered and everybody loves you because you're Nazi and you're not, I'm a Nazi and you're Nazi and, or whatever it is. And so I'm like, oh, what, what,

every person on this planet has a couple of things in common. And one of them is we just want to be appreciated and seen and heard. Yes. And it feels good when we do.

And it's lonely. It's lonely as you get to the top or when you have your own opinions or when you're running for mayor. I don't know if you feel this way. In general, it does feel lonely when you are going against the grain. You are standing up for yourself. You are saying things that these men don't want you to say. I talk about men a lot because I feel like I've had the experience of battling men more than women. And sometimes there are conflicts within women, but...

It's more of the women that side with those men. Yeah. Do you ever get heated in those types of conversations? Like when you're up against a man that has just like backwards views from you? Have I ever? Yeah. Yes. I've talked about it. I've tried to communicate it nicely. I've tried to express my side. But men, the minute they feel blamed, they just go on. They're like, they need to be like committed. I'm sorry. Not all. Like your producer seems like a really nice young guy. Are you single? Ready to bangle? Yeah.

Other than that, I'm just saying that most of the guys I met are manipulating, gaslighting, chauvinistic, misogynistic, sexist men who don't want me to stand up for myself. Who, if I'm very nice and I say, look, that's really abusive what you just said. And like telling me that after all the hard work I've done and asking you just for an opportunity, like whether to be in a movie or to like work on stage and you're like yelling at me and then putting the next girl up that you think is great. Yeah. Like,

I don't want to have to engage in that. I don't want to have to feel like I can't stand up and say something and then I'm punished for that. Right. I don't know if you ever feel punished. I feel punished. Yeah. So I feel safe like you running. I don't know if something for me feels like...

Oh, Corinne's running. Then I'll get whatever I'm untouchable in a way, because now it's not taboo for me to say the things that I'm trying to say. Yeah. I think it's important to, to have leaders in place that have a moral compass that are, we, we, I think the best thing for humanity is an, uh, great examples of how to be and how to behave. Because if we don't see that it's possible, then it's,

it's not in our heads. Like our imaginations are vast, but we don't utilize them as much, I think. And so seeing an example of somebody who's running, who's like,

is calm and will stand up and won't take shit. You're like, Oh wow. I can also do that in my life. Right. Yeah. I mean, I think that's a big reason why people like are mad or frustrated, you know, especially in the political bubble that I'm running because they've just never seen it before. So they go, well, why someone who didn't go through all these other steps that I was told I had to go through or that I've seen other people have to go through, like,

why like that couldn't work. And I'm angry that you're even trying to make it not work, but we keep accepting the same as someone put it on the phone, on the phone to me yesterday, crumbs. We keep accepting the same crumbs and we don't need to, we don't need to be eating crumbs for a dinner every night as New Yorkers or as Americans or as citizens of the world. We don't need to be doing these things, but we think that's all we have. And so we're just, we're just going, Oh, we got to get these crumbs in my mouth. Yeah. Yeah. And in, and in this, um,

instance crumbs would be Andrew Cuomo and Eric Adams.

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Just in case anyone wasn't following. The two men that I probably would go for that I shouldn't. That's a red flag. Those two men are red motherfucking flags. Excuse my language. But that's interesting that you say that because when you were talking about how all the men that you know or date are misogynistic or all these things, I'm like, maybe it's... We don't have control over other people. We only have control over ourselves. So, I mean...

not all the men in the world are misogynistic. And, and so maybe it's like getting out to dating a new type of person, like challenging yourself to date a different kind of person. Um,

And like, even if you maybe initially are not attracted to them, you're like, well, maybe it's old me who's attracted to these bad guys. And I can like, you can control what you're attracted to. You can change it. Yeah. It just takes a little bit of work. And that's freeing. Right. Because I was going to say, I did change recently. I did date a 30 year old virgin. That's.

Okay. Interesting. Interesting. Nerdy guy, but nice. Did you sleep together? Nerdy guys are cool. He's never slept with anyone, but like he couldn't even literally kissing me was like foreplay for him. Well, I mean, that's what a relief at this. I know. I'm not getting thrown against the wall. Compliments to the chef. Against consent. No, I'm kidding. But, um,

You know, I said to myself, this is out of my comfort zone. And he's like, he's cute. He's not, you know, kind of looks like a nerd, which is fine. He is a nerd and that's great. He's really smart, you know. But I did try to change, like I could be attracted. Let me, he wanted to take me on actual dates. No one's ever really actually taken me on dates before. What? Yeah, like. Classy. Even my first, my boyfriends and even talking about it a lot, I'm like, holy shit, how did I allow this? Like, I feel like I was the man a lot. Like I took them out.

Because there's always this misconception that I grew up with money. And by the way, rich people have money because they don't spend money. But that's like another topic. And you shouldn't be spending all your money. But that was the way I was raised. Love language of like buying things for people. Showing your love through that presence. Like all that stuff. And...

And yeah, I just, you know, I was like, I was, I just lost my train of thought. What did I just say? You've never had guys take you on dates. Oh, take me on a date. So this 30-year-old virgin was like really gone home about, okay, I'm going to take you on a date. I said, you know what? Let me experiment with this.

We talked. I started getting attracted to him as we went on like 10 dates. Yeah. We like formally dated, right? It's like 10 dates. We kissed on the fifth date. I'm like, I feel like I'm babysitting him. This is also like, I also felt like, you know when a 30-year-old acts younger? Yeah. So you feel like you're like,

You want some snacks? Yeah, you're taking advantage of someone kind of thing and you kind of know better or you are more experienced. Long story short, I did tell him that I wanted – I asked him. I'm like, is it going to bother you if I – I don't have kids but I want one kid at least and I'm going to be 40 and I'm going to have to go through this process. He had told me no.

It wouldn't bother him. He wants to get to know me. He likes me. And another red flag that I should have picked up on was when other guys talk about other girls that they had crushes on, on the date. Oh, on the date? Yeah, because you're not their therapist or you're not there to help them get that girl. Also, tell that to a friend, dude. Yeah, tell that to a friend. But I think that's what he thought. He was dating these girls as just friends. Okay. So he broke it to me that he's like, you know, I do think that we shouldn't date anymore. I think that...

You know, I spoke to my parents. They had a really serious conversation. He still is with his parents. I'm like, you're not 30. You're 17. I spoke to my parents? I spoke to my parents. I mean, living with your parents at 30 is one thing because times is tough. Okay. I get it. But what? Consulting them about how you should lead them? He said, my mom and dad, like, were really concerned. And once you're... Oh, no. What's that? What?

I'm like, bitch, get out. And I had the nerve to come to my comedy show. What were they concerned about, Chanel? They were concerned that their precious 30-year-old virgin wasn't going to enjoy his life

Whether it's the Jewish culture or not, everyone who wants to get married, obviously there's a biological clock and they didn't want him to go through the agony of like, if I can't get pregnant, it's going to be harder for me to get pregnant. By the way, now more than ever, between 40 and 50, you can get pregnant. Yeah. If you go about it the right way, if you get fertility, if you go freeze your eggs. And I, here's what the trigger. The agony. This guy hasn't fucked yet. What are we talking about? What agony? Thank you. And I would make jokes. He's never going to fuck. Fuck.

If his parents are like that. And I was trying. So times are tough, but get a roommate. You cannot live with your parents anymore. If you need to split the rent, split it amongst five guys. I don't care. I would much rather you go into your house and you live with four other dudes and your parents stop living with your parents. I agree because I even gave him the advice like saying, look,

I'm not going to take – because I told my therapist I'm going to try not taking the breakup personally. Now, mind you, he broke up with me after telling me – after I got a little bit emotional and vulnerable with him, told him how hard this situation was for me, told him it was hard for me to date younger, told him I didn't want to.

I got annihilated after a roast that he came to see me at. And then another comedy show that I had to do standup. And then after both of this, you girls know, women know how like, that's already tough, whether you're crushing or you're not. I never allow a guy I'm dating to see me do standup. I don't, I'm not serious. I tried not to. And he kind of was like, that was the other thing. He was like, pushy about it. He didn't respect your boundaries. He didn't respect my boundaries. And I was like, you know,

And I gave him the cold shoulder. I was like, you can, uh, you, I even said, I don't think you should come to this one. I think like we should meet after. And he still showed up. And then after the fact, I'm like, okay, you showed up and now you're telling me that you cannot be with me longterm because you feel like I won't be able to have your children. And it's like, what, you know, by the way, karma exists. Like God's watching, the universe is watching. How ironic will it be that he is with some 25 year old that he likes more than me. And then he, they can't have kids like life is life. Well, and also how do we know he's fertile? Uh,

50% of infertility is male-based and people act like it's not. You're right. That's the emotional immaturity of it all. Like the entitlement, the arrogance of like, I'm a man, so I still need the woman to be like...

the woman who's going to bear kids and at a certain age. And it's like, you're right. You haven't even had sex yet. No one has had sex with you. The number one thing that you need to do to have a baby, you haven't even done yet. Right. Right. And so that I was like, after that, at first I remember I lit up a cigarette. I don't even smoke cigarettes. Usually I light up that cinematic.

He's like, it was so dramatic. He's like, can I give you a hug? Also after the show. And then I was also getting abused by like other people like in comedy. And I'm like, you know what? He's like, can I have a hug? I was like, listen, here's the thing. I wish you really well. There is no need for us to hug.

Cause you might get a hard on and come on the spot and then I'll have your babies. And then what are you going to say to your parents? There's no need for us to hug. I want that on a shirt. We don't get a hug. I said it. Never agreed with anything more. Right. I said, I was like, I don't, we don't have to hug please. And he's like, oh, okay. He's like, can I get you a car? I was like, no, I got myself.

And then, you know, he was like, I'm really sorry this didn't work out. I just, I wish you well and I hope you can find that man that will want to have that baby. I go, and I hope you can break your virginity one day because I don't think anybody's going to fuck you. But other than that, thank you for a great eight. And you just hopped right in your Uber. Cigarettes still lit. And I was like, the Uber guy's like, you have a hot day? It was a muscle car Uber. Let me put some other big music. I was like, la la la la la la.

I don't give a shit about men anymore. That's when I realized, holy shit, even the nice guys. Yeah. Even the nice guys that you're trying to give a chance. And I said, maybe it's me. And that's why I was like, I got to learn how to date. Because maybe I'm doing something that I'm just giving all these types of men like this like...

I guess narrative that they don't really know me well enough and they think they do. And then they make an assumption. And now I'm, that's why I'm single. Right. Cause everyone's like, why are you still single at 40? And you know, I keep bringing the age. It's like, well, I try and I try, but I'm not going to also settle. And that's a dumb question. Anyway, a lot of these people are not single, but they have a terrible partner. I know. And also being in a relationship, you don't get a prize for that.

Most people's relationships aren't great. So it's like, why are we all wanting this thing that maybe isn't even this? Like, I don't know. Because I think you see it and you look at it and you're like, grass is always greener. Right. I should be in a relationship. I want to fall in love. I want to be in love. How could someone not want to be? Right. Yeah. You know,

how did I not find the love of my life? You know, also growing up in Jewish culture was very family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family, family,

grown it's like yeah but you would have came into this podcast with a twin strollers and be like shut the fuck up while mommy talks for an hour pregnant again yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah again it depends what you want because you know you're taught you said uh that it could have worked out if you met someone like against your will but those are two different concepts right you want a good relationship do you want the love of your life or do you want a partner

Those are two different things. Many times. Sometimes it's the same person, but I think a lot of times it's different people. Yeah, I agree. And I think, I think I want it all. Yeah. And I remember, and that's why you're single at 40. And that's fine. And I think, and I think that's like, it's just like, you know, why am I single at 40? I think you can tell people because I want something really good and it takes time to find something really good. You're right. And if I'm going to spend the rest of my life with this person, the person you pick to spend your life with, that's the,

biggest decision you will ever make why are we rushed the fact that we're trying to find the person we're going to spend the rest of our life with and lock it in by like 25 that's a death that's crazy I know I think it's not viable even with the bylaw you want to spend 60 years with the same person and no thank you right and you know how many marriages I know are friends that

thought that way and then they got divorced or 30 years later someone's cheating on their partner. That's really sad. Like why even get to that? I think I tried to avoid all that stuff to be real subconsciously. I think I tried. Sure.

to do it as morally as I could. But also like, I also was raised in a little bit of a fucked up mentality where it's, you know, you have to do this to be a good value is consistent with kids. Yeah. Yeah. Like, why are you always thinking about your career? Like, you know, cause the career is a hit or miss, right? Kids are a hit or miss. So they ever heard a Columbine. I mean, what the fuck are you talking about?

I know. What if I raise like a serial killer? Yeah. You're right. Like anything can happen. And also the environment is not great. So like more kids, more environmental problems. And then I was sitting there when I talked to the 30-year-old. I'm like thinking it's not even worth explaining all this. That's where I changed how like I deal with breakups now. To tell a guy they're a piece of shit for how they think or what they're doing to you, it's never going to work. You're not getting them back that way.

And you're also not getting through to them. You're not getting through to them. Yeah. Because they're just going to replace you with somebody like – Who won't stand up for themselves. Yeah. Or who has their mentality, you know? Yeah. I mean I don't know if they stand up for themselves or not. I mean it seems like they do like – or maybe guys just like the hunt of like not being treated nicely. I don't know. Maybe I'm generalizing. Everybody – yeah, everybody is so unique. I don't know. I don't know.

Um, but, uh, is there anything else? Where can we find you online? We, this is a great conversation. I love this conversation. I know I could go for hours. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, it's good. It always goes by fast. You can find me at Chanel Omari. Okay. Online at Chanel in the city podcast. Um, we had a great episode. We'd love to have you on one day cause you're running for mayor and that's going to be big. Um, and my standup comedy shows, which you guys done. It's amazing. We get back to city harvest. I always love to give back through laughter. Uh,

You could go on the All-Star Comedy Show. We feature all stars of comics from all over the world, especially New York City, Netflix, HBO. And the next show is at West Side Comedy Club May 1st. Nice. 9 p.m. Get your tickets. And yeah, DM me, follow me. I would love to talk about everything, dating, anything you guys have. But thank you for having me. This is a dream come true, really. You...

Both, I just want to tell you, are probably one of the only women and people in this industry that genuinely were authentic with me, had my back, and embraced me. So thank you. Oh, that's so sweet. Of course. You're a real one, Chanel. I love you guys. I'm not going to get emotional, but I love you so much. And you made my day. So thank you. Of course. Thanks for coming to the podcast studio. This has been Guys We Fucked. We will talk to you next Friday. Bye.

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