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Greetings, listeners, lovers, fans, people of planet Earth. How are you doing? Welcome to the show. Welcome to the show. It's just two dudes talking about our feelings. You know? Hey, Shane Gillis. Hi. My name's Joe Rogan. And we're going to talk about this hallucinogenic that won't get us demonetized. Yeah, we tried a little bit of an experiment because we had been getting demonetized on YouTube where we introduced ourselves as men. Yep.

And then what do you know? That episode was fully monetized. What the heck? Wow. Huh? Gosh darn it. What the French toast? What? Gosh darn it. This is the GWF podcast. I'm Corinne Fisher. I'm Christina Hutchinson. Welcome to the show. You know what gets me? What gets you? Gets my goat. What gets your goat, Christina? A little riled up. That men can talk about sejual things. Oh.

That was good. Thank you. And they don't get demonetized. Yeah. I mean, I guess I don't know that for a fact. But like, I'm just seeing, like, they get in the algorithm. They get in the, I just feel like the internet is extra sensitive when women talk about it. And that's very annoying. We've been doing this show for 10 years. Come on. Come on, guys. Also. Should I censor right there? No. Well, actually.

Now you got a sense. Now, Eric. Geez, Louise. The music that you hear on Guys We Hugged is from listeners like you. And so we want to do a call to action. And sometimes Dan Byrne. Yes, a lot of times Dan Byrne. Friend of the show. Friend of the show. Friend of the pod. Friend of the pod. Are you a musician? We did a call to action a while ago, but we don't have access to that email address anymore. So...

Sorry about last night show at gmail.com. That's the email that you send all your problems to. And now that is also the email that you can submit your original music to just in the subject line. Just do GWF music. That's all you need. I will forward it to Eric, our producer, and we will feature you in the show. We will give you credits.

Um, you just need to send us streaming links, the name of your band or the name, your performer name that you go by. And yeah, the song GWF, uh, music is the subject line. Sorry about last night. Show at gmail.com is where you're going to send your music to. Okay. Yeah. Get that music to lots of new ear holes. Yeah. Speaking of ear holes, um,

Christmas is coming. Kwanzaa is coming. Hanukkah is coming. Hanukkah is on the same day as Christmas. It starts on the same day this year. I thought Hanukkah and Kwanzaa started the same day. Well, I don't know when Kwanzaa starts. So if Kwanzaa starts on the same day as Hanukkah, then it's also the same day as Christmas. See, I have Hanukkah day one and this is the Apple calendar, 26. Yeah, it says day one, but Hanukkah starts at sundown the night before. I feel like Google calendars are pretty anti-Semitic. That's very terrible. Or Apple, whatever the fuck it is. Sorry, bleep that.

I love Google and I love everybody who works there. I love Meta and Google. I love men. They're great. They never do anything wrong. They never do anything wrong. Oh, it's so nice. So yeah. So send your music, send your original music to sorryaboutlastnightshow at gmail.com. And then the holidays are coming up as we said. And you can give the gift of GWF. Okay. Luminary, that's the podcast network we're on. Right. They have, if you go to luminarypodcasts.com slash gift.com.

you can give a year subscription to Luminary for 50 bucks. We just found that out. They didn't even tell us. $49.99. We just thought ourselves we should promote giving the gift of Luminary because that would be smart of us. And there's great original podcasts on Luminary. And so we went right to the website ourselves and we said, honestly, this is a really good deal. It's a great gift. It's a really good deal. Absolutely. Paying people for their intellectual property. Absolutely. That's a great gift. And I pay for a couple of podcast subscriptions and they're a lot more expensive than that.

So guess what, guys? Give the gift of GWF. You know, if somebody if you got a friend. Oh, here's the ones that you should give it to. If you got a friend, I mean, everybody, but you got a friend that should break up with the person that they're dating, but you don't know, you don't want to say anything. Give them the podcast. Give them the breakup episode. You know, it's good, especially like if you have to travel for the holidays because it's a gift that's thoughtful, but it doesn't weigh anything.

Yes. And it's not, yeah, it's not another thing that's going to clutter up their home that they're going to give to Goodwill later. Carbon footprint? Zero. Zero. Very good for the environment. Very good for the world. Right. Okay. Has it been five minutes, Eric? And we thank you. Four minutes, 23 seconds. Okay, 23 seconds. We just did a countdown until we can say a bad word. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I love coffee. How about you, Corinne? I think coffee's okay. Did you have your Dunkin' today? I did have it. Okay, so wait. Oh, yeah, tell me. This is a real thing.

We just start talking about coffee. We really want to keep our monetization. Well, I told you how I went through the thing. So I've been drinking ice lattes since I started drinking coffee, which is not that long ago. And then for Halloween, they introduced the potion macchiato, and I got really into that, which is a little bit more caffeine. And then I was looking at the app, and I said, what's an iced cappuccino? Which is just, again, they're just different levels of milk and coffee.

milk and espresso and now I'm really now I think iced cappuccino is my favorite nice so but sometimes the foam takes up too much room and then you go what is this like a bag of Lay's chips where it's mostly air because like foam is part of it but then you know by the time I order it on the app and I get there the foam has gone down so it just looks like they didn't give me enough that's not right I know that's not right you should get a refund so that's

That's the content. Do you get iced or hot? I don't drink hot. I don't, I don't like the way coffee tastes hot. I only like the way it tastes iced. And you want to tip if you don't use this already? What? Light ice. Do light ice. You get more milk. You get more drunk. I like it really cold. Okay. Got it. Like I get, I would get extra ice if anything, like, like I like when they give me a drink where the ice is to the top and I know it's like, I'm losing money, but I also would rather have less caffeine.

yeah okay that's true that's true and there is something about a really cold beverage that just feels i immaculate like you're life-giving really i just like i a core memory for me is the first time i went to a uh one of my friends houses in like grade school and their mom kept the refrigerator a little colder than my mom and i went home and i demanded a change and i was like yes sir she said you know how much that costs yeah to keep it if things are going to

freeze in the back I said alright sorry some people like their grapes frozen Diane yeah fuck yeah you fucking whores welcome to the show we can be ourselves now do you want to email us at sorryaboutlastnightshow at gmail.com today's subject line do I warn people about the pedophile in my community

And you know, we went hard. Yeah. We went right in. Um, and I, and when I was first gazing over this, I'm like, did we read this email? No, we didn't. But we just, we did read an email on the show that was kind of similar on the exact same thing. Um, but two different people, two different themes. Yeah. It's like pedophiles are everywhere. They're everywhere. Weird. Yeah. Some might not even be in the white house. Oh,

Oh, they are. Yeah. Hi, Karina Christina. I'm writing you too because honestly, I don't have anybody in my circle as nuanced as you to talk about the subject of pedophiles. Girl, you came to the right place. I love that word. You know, I love that when you think pedophiles, you think guys. Yeah. Hey, I'll never stop talking about it. I work as a freelance musician in a Midwestern city. Cool. If you have original music. Sorry about that. Yeah. Which is important to know because there's no union and no system.

Yeah, being a musician is tough. It's the Wild West out here. I am also a woman in my late 20s, so it sometimes feels like I'm the only one with any empathy in the situation. And all these dudes just avoid conflict, especially with their respected peers. When I first started working in my early 20s, I was introduced to this individual that we will call Tom, as in the peeping kind on kids because he's a pedophile, I guess. A disheveled man that I clocked as being in his 40s.

I was told he was gone for a while and just came back, so let's welcome him. Oh my God, he was in a facility of sorts. But I'm proud to say my spidey senses still went off, mostly because he acted like a tool. Fast forward a year or two and our paths hadn't really crossed. And of course, I just never asked or thought to Google his name until my friend told me to. Google search results showed him on the sexual offenders list, but no details. That's weird, usually they give details. I was of course in shock and...

and honestly felt icky because I had been in professional environments with him never directly and didn't know. I felt like a schmuck. However, with no more information and no way to look it up, all I had was the unreliable rumors from everyone I felt comfortable to ask.

Oh my God. Okay, B.B. Berman. So I knew that it wasn't that easy. Anyways...

I also agree with you two that the answer shouldn't be banishment if we want to improve society on this issue. However, I've recently been enlightened to what happened, and y'all...

It's fucked up. A friend of mine bought the court documents and I read all of them. Tom was a part of a group of guys that created and distributed child porn like under the age of six. Oh my God. Okay. There were a ton of messages sent back and forth discussing fucked up things they wanted to do. Oh God. He was never charged. This episode is not getting monetized.

No, come on. We waited five minutes. We waited five minutes. We've taken it too far. Well, I'm going to blame Tom. God damn it, Tom. Pedophile's ruining our fucking money. He was never charged with actually committing the offense, but he was in jail for a couple of years because the intent was very evident. I'll say.

Reading this made me sick to my stomach. I want to add that it is clear that he is a sad, sad man. He stays under the radar, Wild West, so you can easily get by doing the table work forever. And it is clearly a depressed alcoholic. But that doesn't matter. Yeah, like I see what you're saying with like empathy and second chances. And we did say that. But in this case, like I hope he's sad forever. Yes. I hope he's sad because he –

Cause he's a pedophile. You know what I mean? Like, I hope there's one thing to, it's we, there's one thing to have the urge and another one to then turn the urge into a, a small or maybe bustling business where you're distributing child pornography. Not okay. There's like, there's too many steps there for you to ever really be forgiven. Yeah. You are trash. You shouldn't maybe not be a part of society. You know what I mean? Um, this is where the nuance comes in. I honestly felt bad for him. Uh,

Whenever I see him, it's pity, of course. I don't want to help him, but he reeks the stench of someone who knows he fucked up and he sucks and everyone knows about his business. I mean, that's what he did, though. Like putting together a child porn business. That's not a mistake.

That's a purposeful thing. Because that's not a mistake. Yeah. Like I even believe that like – I don't have empathy for this guy now. That like in a fit of rage, you can like literally murder someone. That's not putting together a business that distributes child pornography. So true. You know? That should be a bumper sticker. It's a long one. That whole sentence. Someone who has to do a lot of file management as far as – Is that you? Yeah. Has to do a lot of file management online. That's not a mistake.

Oh, that's a time consuming. You got to wait for uploads, downloads, break a hard drive. You have to promote it. Oh, my God. Yeah. It's a lot. It's a lot. Yeah. How are you going to know who's likes who's another pet? I mean, I guess maybe they have a spidey sense with each other. I don't know. Right. Right. Anyway. However, he sticks around because people will still hire him. And I'm sure that music playing is one of the only things that makes him happy. And music music.

You know what else makes him happy, though? Child porn. Child porn. That's not good. That's not good. I don't want to hear your music. No love songs, for sure. Well, they are there, but they're about, you know. You know Michael Jackson's song, Pretty Young Thing? Has a different meaning now, doesn't it? Okay. This is where you guys come in. All right.

Let's go, baby. I have a lot of feelings that are very emotional and I know that they are. And I'm wondering if you two can parse them out into something helpful. Two voices fight in my head. Maybe you two can read them. Okay. I'll remember the one that says stop. He's a butterfly. I'm going to go with that voice. Okay. I'll do voice number one. You do voice. Okay. Wait, there's a script. Let me get in here. She does script. I'll do voice number one. Voice number one.

I want to print out his court documents and share them with everybody. I can scream from the rooftops. Obviously, pedophiles equal bad. Everyone deserves to know what he's done, right? What would that even do besides put a big spotlight on you? Maybe you want to do it because it would make you feel better, but you can't monitor his every move. You don't even know what he's up to now. Maybe he learned his lesson and isn't committing the crimes. Once a pedo, always a pedo. And he's sometimes around high schoolers, for God's sake. He's a pedophile.

He's not interested in them. Yeah, they're too old. Yeah, they're way too old. He is even around close friends' children. That's not good. No, you've seen it. Clearly, they know something you don't. So mind your own business. You don't know the whole story. But I'm uncomfortable knowing these gory details. I clearly know enough. And what if I'm hired to do something with him in a library or school? Should I tell them? We don't know enough about pedophilia to know if he is still the same as he was back then. I heard drugs were involved, too. It's been many, many years. Drugs don't make you a pedophile.

You're just trying to avoid the uncomfortable truth that we need to alert the community and be a hero. Mind your own business. The end. I hope you read this on the podcast. I'm a luminary fucker, so I'll be on the lookout there too. Thank you for being a rare voice on this subject. Okay, so I actually have a question. So is he a pedophile or is he someone who dispersed –

child pornography because like you know how a lot of drug dealers aren't drug addicts well it's like when we were at the Trump rally a lot of those people selling Trump merch weren't Trump people yeah but I don't know man that's so dark though that you can't you can't just do it

Well, this is so dark, but I'm saying like, I actually don't know if he's a danger around children or was just like, because it sounds more like he was an addict and he was like, he was like, I found this like niche thing to make money because I think there's a lot of money in distribution of child pornography. But then you just sell drugs, dude. Right? No, no, no. It's not that I'm not on his side. Right, no, I know. But I'm saying like, I don't know if it's possible to distribute child pornography. Yeah, this episode is not getting monetized. Distribute child pornography. Yeah.

And genuine. We actually might have to pay to put this episode out. Please. I think that if you are, there's no in between, you're not kind of into kids. You're either in room or you're not into them. And as somebody who's not into kids, I like the idea of that.

But I think if you're fucked up on, I think if you're fucked up, you know how like people aren't gay, but they'll suck a dick for drugs. Totally. I did one of those. You did? Chris. Oh, I feel, I feel like it's, I feel like it's could be this because nothing he, like nothing he actually did, but he's on the set.

He's on the list because of the distribution. He's putting children in danger, but I don't know that his presence is putting... I mean, because like, was he distributing? Was he making... I have a lot of questions. Right, right, right, right, right. I see what you're saying. Because I actually... Tom was a part of a group of guys that... Wait. A group of guys that created and distributed. Okay. The creating is... That's not good. That's a problem. I mean, they're both bad, but like that one's really bad. Again, I still don't know. Like, that's like so dark. It's really dark. But, and then when creating it, it's like...

Who is it like children interacting with adults or like doing things by them? You know, I have a lot of questions. Right, right, right. They're not going to be answered on this show. No, no. Well, we'll get kicked off luminary. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know, but I would. Okay. So, but, but these questions, I would feel so fucking disgusting around this guy. If I knew that,

Ooh, it would be, I get what you're saying. A writer of like, Oh, am I just trying to be a hero? I get that. But like, I don't understand. I should not be around children. I don't understand why he's still like welcome in the artist community. How once, yeah. How good is his music? And can you send us a track? It can't be good. Can you send us a track?

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And how upsetting. You know what, though? One of the greatest musicians of all time was a pedophile. But that... Yeah. Which one? Michael Jackson. I was like multiple, I'm sure. Yeah. Oh, Jesus. The world's so dark, guys. Congrats on not killing yourself. I...

I, if I were in your shoes, I would, I would definitely, this is the immediate urge. I'm talking it out. I would have the urge to let the people that hire him know, even though the other logical part of me is like, yeah, maybe he's reformed. But like, that's, that's also the hope in me thinking too much of people. I think he a hundred percent. And I think you a hundred percent fucking therapy need to quietly warn people who have children. Yes.

Now, should you warn people who hire him? Like, I would never want to do a gig with this person. He should not be around children. And also, another thing. The high schoolers I truly wouldn't worry about.

I'm sorry. It's a different thing. Yeah. It's just like there are, we've talked about him. Pedophile, pedophile. If he's a file, he's, he's, he's in the actual realm of true pedophilia. That has, that has nothing to do with high schoolers. Yeah. Just nothing to do with it. But that's, that's eerie and awful. And I also can see myself if I'm in this situation, I would, I like facing things head on when I, when I have all the facts and you clearly, you read the whole court document.

Um, I don't know. I could see myself wanting to not confront him, but like if I'm ever in a room alone with him, which I wouldn't want to create that scenario, but if it happened, I'd be like, dude,

I read the court documents from your last case and I'm having a really hard time being around you. That's all you got to say. That's all you got to say. And then do things that I often worry if you did, that would put you in danger though. This guy has like a, no, no, no, not sexual danger. Like this guy, like, yeah, this guy has like, I don't, I don't think he knows about the dark web. Clearly. I don't think you should be confronting a guy who ran a pedophile pornography distribution. Like what this guy,

This guy has... If we were in New York, I wouldn't do it. But if we were in like Iowa, I would do it. Yeah. Oh, you got a guy? I just think it's like...

Maybe when people have kids... To make a big announcement, I honestly think... A big announcement. Especially if you're in a small area. I do think you're putting yourself in danger. You're putting a target on you. Well, I wouldn't make a big announcement, but I would talk to him and be like, I came across your past and legal documents from your past, and I don't ever want to be in a room with you. And so would your goal to be like to run him out of town? No. My goal would only be to say that because...

because it's like the elephant in the room if I didn't say that to him. You know what I mean? And then from there, you respond how you're going to respond, Mr. Pedophile. You respond how you're going to respond. I just like, I'm like, it doesn't seem like he went away for enough time for this crime. I know. And that's why I have to say something. Because I'm not going to go around telling other people. I want to go to the source. But that makes me feel like he was involved in the ring. It's like maybe he just did the graphics for the cover of the DVD or something.

Now you're pulling a me. I don't know. I mean, I see what I was advocating here. I do. This is something that, you know, but if you're a graphics guy, both the right and the left take very seriously. So like, I just don't understand. It's like, I truly think like, I think like even if he was part of this ring that I'm truly like, he must have been pretty low level. Not that this is okay. Yeah. Yeah. So like maybe he built the website or something.

Maybe they just used his music for the... Oh, maybe, yeah. Oh, my God. Oh, gross. This is so dark. It's so dark, but like... This is so dark. I...

I would have to, I would have, I couldn't keep these feelings to myself. I would say though. Okay. So going around telling everybody is not gonna help the situation. You have to think about with these two voices. I think the main thing you have to ask yourself is what do you want to achieve by letting people know? So right. Like with telling kids you're achieving safety for those children, any other things you have to, you have to have a clear goal that is not self-serving.

Right. If the only reason you want to do it is to like make you make yourself feel like you did a good thing. Don't do it. But if there are other goals as far as like true thing, like you're going to truly improve the safety of the community, you're going to improve the safety of the, of children around you. I would say act on those things, the things that are merely self-serving or to say like, I know, and I want to let you know that I know there's no point to those. Yeah. Yeah. That, so that I go through every, um,

thing if I had to work with this guy though or if I was in the same scene as him I couldn't I couldn't for one second not tell him that I know I would feel sick but I'm like he's no threat to you yeah

But man, that's fucking hard. You're elderly. Yeah, you're homeless in the grave. Yeah. This actually might be one of the safer men to have around you as a woman in her 20s. Isn't that crazy? Isn't that crazy? We're only safe around pedophiles and gay men. Isn't that crazy that you aged out so he's safer for you? That's gross. That's so gross. It is gross. It's dark and gross. We live in a gross society. That's the new viral question. Would you rather be trapped in the woods with a man or a

pedophile that's a man what a bear a bear a man who likes a bear like regular aged women or a pedophile pedophile oh oh oh that's a great oh ask the internet oh eric we're gonna go viral with this yeah hey internet would you rather be in the woods alone with a man who liked grown women or a man who liked children right

Because if it's just you, and then also, it's great because you can keep an eye on him because you're in the woods together. So while he's with you, he's not doing anything to children. Yeah, but if it's dark, maybe he's going to pretend I'm six and touch me. Oh. You can still tell in the dark that you're not six.

I don't know. Have you seen this post? I don't know. I wax. I haven't. Oh, man. This is terrible. I like that. These are things that happen. I like that our goal was to not get demonetized. And this is perhaps the biggest. We actually did one of the most inappropriate episodes in the history of the show. Yeah. What would you do, Corinne?

I would I would the people who have the kids around him I would definitely like I mean yeah and when I say kids the court documents like under younger than high school yeah I think the court documents I don't know I don't think I would personally distribute them and I would say I have the court documents if you want to I wouldn't like make copies of them and like hand them out but like with regard to him

i wouldn't i don't think i would say anything to him but i would i i like i would you know you know the energy that i bring to you know situations with men so i would just be like i got you yeah i would just he would toys r us gift cards for you he would they're out of business but also for other reasons they're back in business macy's there was one in there's one in harold square oh my god like a toys like a three-stated well no it's in macy's like i think macy's bought them out oh wow yeah so i would say i would go like this i would go like this i would say yeah i i said it

I would take a pacifier. Or I would say something creepy to him like, I've got my eye on you. Something like that. Yeah. Where I don't say what I know, but he knows I know. Right, right. I've said shit like that to men. It scares them. Yeah, because they probably do so many other bad things that you don't even know about. Exactly. And then she goes, what does she know? Right. That's a great one. You can really say that. That's a good idea. You can say that to any man. You can say, just so you know, I know. And then walk away. You can say that to almost any man and it really does.

Okay guys don't tell men this. I don't want to give away the company secrets. But just if there's any man that you think is like bad just go just so you know I know what you're up to and then walk off. Oh my god I'm horny. That's great. That's a great idea.

That's a great idea. Just so you know, I know, that's so vague. It covers all the things. And anything that they could possibly feel guilty about is going to come up to the surface right away. Because then they implode because there's no – It's going to eat away at them. No. Across the board for humanity, almost no one is tougher on people than they are on themselves. So you're giving the job back to them. You're placing the burden back on the man, which is what you should do.

In comedy, I have unfortunately come in contact with a lot of bad men. And I've found a lot of, there's a lot of power and usefulness in just letting them know that you know. And you go, I'm not saying anything to anyone if you keep it in line. But just so you know, I know. It works. Yeah.

You know what too? You know when you find out like somebody, like a guy friend of yours is cheating on his girlfriend or like one of your girlfriend's boyfriend is cheating. And like, yes, that's a great thing to say to them. Yeah. Because like we're, we're very, on guys we fuck, we are advocates of like, stay, stay out of people's business.

Just so you know, I know. That ain't going to hurt nobody except the man. Just so you know, I know is a great one. Oh, that's great. Merry Christmas. We just gave you the gift of freedom. Just so you know, I know. Yeah. Just so you know, I know. Yes, Eric. You can send like a gallon of like gorilla poop or whatever to people anonymously. No, did not know that. I know of similar. I didn't know specifically about the gorilla thing. Okay.

Gorilla? Leave him alone. I know about the thing where you can write, you can like send someone a secret message on a potato. Oh, yeah. That guy's making a lot of money. That potato guy. Maybe this is your potato business. It's sending cards that say... Just so you know, I know!

This is great. Wait, maybe it should be like a tampon. Like not used. Wait, we have to look this up though because there's a lot of legal trouble you can get for in the market. You're just saying what you know. Is it a threat? We have to see. It's not a threat. You're just saying I know something.

Bye-bye. I mean, that's pretty good. It's only a threat if they're guilty of something. But I feel – Can you send it on a potato? Yeah. Yeah. Just so you know, I know on a potato. Imagine you get that. That's actually very terrifying because then you start thinking about what potato-related attack is about to befall me. Or like is this from a farmer? Is this from an Irish person? Is this like what – did someone dig this up? Did they get it at the grocery store? Right. Someone at Five Guys? Yeah.

Before it got to the fryer? Very specific. Or a carrot maybe. Very specific. I don't want to steal the potato guy's idea, but like a carrot. Right. Just a form of produce. It would have to be, yeah, a carrot would have to be a smaller message just so you know I know. I think that could fit on a carrot. That's great. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A long carrot? Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Keep the stem on? Right.

Like Bugs Bunny carrot? Okay. So yeah, that's what I think you should do. Okay, I take that back in terms of what I said, in terms of like I would tell the person. Now that I heard Corinne's idea, that's what I would do. I just like I want everyone to be a hero, but I also want everyone not to be a dead hero. Yeah. You know, I'll be an alive hero. You know what I love most about women is that when they're alive. When they're alive. That's our favorite way. That's our favorite form of womanhood. Yeah, it is. Can't say every man would agree, but yes, it is for us. Yeah. You're a guys who fucked. Okay. Yeah.

Let us know what you did. But if you say that, I know you just so you know, I know. And also please send him a track. I'm so excited. I want to, I'm so interested in his music. How promoted this guy is that music? Yeah. We're not going to, we won't, we won't utter a peep. Yeah.

Also send your music. Sorry about this, my show at gmail.com. Yeah, send your music. Guys. We won't say they're related. We won't say that you're the person. Let me know which one is which so I don't accidentally put his music. Well, one will be from a man. Okay. Well, maybe there's no vocals in it. The pedo? Yeah, Eric is now worried about accidentally playing the pedophile's music on the show. I feel like she would specify, hey, here's that pedophile guy's music. Probably, but maybe. Not just like, hey, I'm submitting this for guys who fuck.

Choose streaming links. The choice is yours, Eric. No. Red pill or blue pill? Which one? Which one do you like, Eric?

Tulsa, Oklahoma, January 10th and 11th. I'm headlining the Looney Bin. Toronto, Canada, January 17th and 18th. I am headlining Comedy Bar. I have a solo podcast called The Voices in Our Heads that comes out every single Monday that you should listen to. I'm getting real woo-woo on it. This week I'm going to be interviewing Thomas Dale, a comedian turned psychic. I'm very excited about that. And then I have a Patreon where once a month –

We go on a Zoom live for an hour and we talk about whatever you want to talk about. And it gets intense and it also gets very woo-woo. And in the winter schedule, I release schedules three months at a time. I'm releasing the December, January, and February one in the next day or two. So it'll be out by the time you hear this. I am dedicating one...

per month as requested by you guys to spiritual stuff. So we're going to start out with the meditation and I have a lot of exercises that you can do in a group that test your psychic abilities and kind of maybe you'll learn gifts that you didn't know you had. Okay. Patreon.com slash Christina Hutchinson. Okay.

And then if you are interested in getting more into politics, whether you yourself want to pursue a career in politics or if you just want to be more up to date with the news, have it all in one place and have it maybe not be so biased to the right or the left, you can join me on Without a Country podcast. We now live stream on YouTube Wednesdays at 9 p.m. Eastern time. And of course, you can then watch it on YouTube or listen anywhere podcasts are available after that.

What could you possibly be?

Yeah. If there was ever, if you were always kind of a little bit interested in politics, I would say now's the time to get real interested in it. Cause I think it's going to be directly affecting you. Oh yeah. Especially if you live in Texas. Yeah. Um, I was at a wedding.

I went to many countries this past week. Oh, multiple. Yeah, because my boyfriend's best friend had his 50th birthday in Belgium. Oh, how cool. So we flew to Belgium for the day and back. Belgium? Literally 24 hours. Whoa. Brussels. I love, yo, I love jet setting. I love Europe. I love Europeans. It's just so nice to not be in America for a second. It was really fun. And I went to a wedding that was so beautiful. The wedding was gorgeous. And I'm so happy to report it was a straight couple.

The woman that got married, I know well, she's very special. She's just beautiful and brilliant and special. She's got like a spark. The man she married...

Also very special. Whoa. Good for you guys. Mazel tov. You know, wow. I've not been to a wedding where both the man and the woman were, had a, had a special. And I told the, the groom the day after or something. I was like, I hope this isn't a, like, I don't mean this as offensive. It's common. The only good man I've ever met. Well, no, I, well, it's kind of what I said. I'm like, it's kind of fucked up, but I'm like,

it's very rare that I meet a man that's as good as a great woman. Yeah. That's worthy. Yeah. And you are one of them. So thank you for existing. His, his vows were beautiful. How old is, how old is this? I think they're in their late twenties. I believe. No, no, no. I think early thirties. Sorry. Okay. Um, and, um,

So he gave – they both had vows and then they gave speeches. Oh, their own speeches. At the – yeah. About what? Just at the reception and stuff. Actually, she didn't – I don't know that she gave a speech but he gave a speech just about like thank you for being here. Oh, OK. But he was so – he's one of these men that I'm like who –

Make 80 more of you, please. 8,000 billion more of you. He thanked the staff at the venue. Like he's so, he was so considerate. And this is his nature. He's a very good person. But I was like, oh my God, this is amazing. I'm here to witness two people who love each other and they're both special. Made me so happy. That's beautiful.

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There was also like a funny kerfuffle that happened at the wedding that I don't want to get into. But it made me want to ask you guys. I wanted to do another call to action in addition to podcast music. I feel like everybody has a story of a wedding moment that they witnessed that was extremely cringe. Extremely cringe. And there was a moment. I've been to a couple weddings where like.

some cringe stuff happened and I love hearing stories from you guys and I know when I was like who likes morning sex email us I want to hear your cringiest wedding stories were you at a wedding was it your wedding or the wedding you were attending and something crazy happened because I started talking to people about it that night and then they were sharing stories I'm like these are fucking gold I'm

I love hearing these stories. So I want to hear from the listeners. Sorry about last night show at gmail.com. Put in the subject line like wedding cringe or something. I just want to like mind stories because it made me think of the weddings I've been to. I've been a lot where one relative gets too drunk. Yeah. Or drugs. Yeah, and not from my family. My family is not fun until we don't drink. Yeah. There's so many –

shitty things that can happen at a wedding or like crazy things that can happen at a wedding. And I'm like, I'm in the mood to hear some juicy stories. So send us yours. And then the other thing that I wanted to talk about was I stayed out for the news after the election just because I needed a break. And I was reading it on the plane back to America. And so there was a stat that I missed out on. 53% of white women.

voted for Trump. Oh, you just got this one? I didn't. Yeah. I stayed away. I couldn't. Yeah. I'm like, I get it. Like everybody voted for him. Cool. I use like the day after. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's really. Yeah. And then I was. But I think. But I. But I. But I also have go into it. I. The statistics also are contingent upon whether they're married or not. It's a it's a big influence when heterosexual white women are

are married to men, they seem to really still be under their spell. And then part of this article, there was, oh no, actually a woman DM, sorry, it's not an article. A fucker DMed me on Instagram and told me about this book. It's called Sisters in Hate.

American Women on the Front Lines of White Nationalism. And the key talking points, this book is really, I'm going to read it. I haven't read it yet. This is just a summary. It focuses on three women, Karina Olson, a former neo-Nazian member of the Aryan Nations who eventually renounces her beliefs. Isla Stewart, who also known as a wife with a purpose, a Mormon housekeeper who promotes racism.

A Vision of White Identity Through Social Media, and Lana Lochtef, a media producer and prominent voice in the alt-right movement who uses her platform to push ideology. But this book is deeply researched examination of how women contribute – white women contribute to and shape extremist movements that are often assumed to be male-dominated.

Yeah. It's like behind every successful man is a woman, but that goes – even if the man is succeeding in doing something bad or hateful, the woman is still behind them. I never thought about it like that. And I'm like, oh, shit, ladies. This actually goes perfectly with what I wanted to talk about because I know this is like – I don't want to be like –

I don't want to be like a white woman apologist, but there is... But white women got some fucking... And it's not all, but my God, the ones that are bad. Well, I also did separate... On Without a Country, I noted that after black women, the highest percentage of women who voted for Kamala were Jewish women. So when I talk about...

White whiteness when we talk about it like obviously there's whiteness where like you're just walking around being white and there's certain privileges no matter if you're Jewish or not you're getting because you like look white in the world. But there's also like this like when this like Christianity that's overtaking in the country like that is specifically also something different. Yeah. And like this like husband obsession. I mean like I know plenty of Jews who are obsessed with their husbands too. But

But I do feel like a lot of these white women who are married and voted for Trump are victims in some way of the patriarchy. But then they victimize themselves. Sure, but I think it's like –

I think that they're like, just, they're so influenced and it's by their husbands and, and, and being a, being a wife is so important. It's on such a pedestal to them and it's fucked up, but it got me thinking a lot about this thing that you, I've seen circulating on,

um, around the internet and it's happened in various waves of feminism, but the notion of de-centering men, right. You'll see it in people talking about it in Tik TOKs and stuff. And I think it's different, you know, cause so often, you know, people will talk about like feminism as like, um,

men hating. And I think men hating is an overcorrect correction. It's a reaction to a world that's been so, uh, used to catering men. And so like, uh, under the, under the male gaze and the, and the male spell. And I've just seen a lot of, and I, I just love the, I love the phrase decentering men. And, and,

I love that young people are talking about that and I love it as a movement because it's not saying anything negative about men. Like if as a man you feel like the phrase decentering men is a threat, well then we immediately know the problem is you, right? So decentering

men, I like it because it's not saying men suck. It's not saying men are evil. It's just saying, I'm going to live my life for me and men are going to be a part of it, but not the center of it as they so often are, uh, for so many heterosexual women. And there's a couple articles. There's an article, uh, I read, uh, I think from earlier this year, this morning from the New York times, kind of about how a woman decentered men in her life, uh,

and had no real interest in getting married, but she had a real, as you know, problem decentering men, but she had a real problem, uh, eliminating the desire that she felt for men. And that goes like for when she meets a met, met a cute guy and wanted so badly for him to text her. And I think that even the most feminist of us still have that, how you have that yearning, right? And that's human nature, but it's still like something that we would love to get, get rid of. Um, and so there's this book,

Decentering Men by Charlie Taylor. I haven't read the book. I just literally went to this person's blog, but I thought this was a good summary of Decentering Men.

And she writes, a couple of years ago, I wrote a book called Decentering Men and then an article Decentering Men, Why You Should Let Go of Men. I wrote it because I was tired of making every decision with a man in my thoughts. I was tired of thinking about where I wanted to move and asking myself, what if I got a boyfriend when I decided to leave? Or living at 85% because I was waiting for a man to rescue and help me with 100%. Or just like kind of like...

putting a pin in all these goals that you have. Yeah. And you're like, well, I'm going to do all that. But first I got to meet a man or as soon as I get married or like feeling like there's this feeling in heterosexuality of like life, not really beginning until you meet your partner. And then you wake up and you're like 45 and you're like, did my life begin yet? You know?

I would live this really fun and incredible life and then have a burst of melancholy because I didn't have a partner. It was an exhausting merry-go-round that made me feel pathetic. I knew I was better than this, but I could not find any written pieces telling me how to get off this ride and why. When I say de-center men, I think about it as an ongoing practice. And I do believe this. I think it has to be literally like meditative.

Yeah. Because the patriarchy is so ingrained within our culture. It is a practice for which you examine all the ways you dwindled yourself, held off, stopped your pleasure, did not peruse a task nor reach a goal because you were waiting for a hypothetical man. Mm.

to rescue you. And it doesn't even have to be that, like, it doesn't even have to be rescue. It just has to be to come into my life, to come into your life, to find you, to sweep you off your feet, insert whatever here. I don't even think it has to be rescue, right? It is a practice for which you examine how you organize yourself around the idea of obtaining a man. You may perform on dates, change your needs, way of living and being for a man. It is a practice for which you notice how often you've

opted out of being the main character in your life to be a man's side or background character. A lot of you should write that down and put on your mirror. I'm not being shitty. I think it will be helpful. It is a practice in which one decides not to live a half-lived life because

Ooh. Ooh.

Now, decentering men is a personal practice. You can define your limit and what that looks like. And I love that. It's not a one size fits all. And here are some tips that can help you do so. Number one, be realistic about men. As much as I love men, they aren't that great. And this isn't my... And she goes, and this isn't an opinion. Yeah.

It's been backed up by homicide rates, domestic violence rates, and rape statistics. Research shows that women's life expectancy decreases when they partner with men due to unequal distribution of labor. Every oldest person in the world just died. Their secret, it's always a woman. Every time. And their secret is always don't get married. Every time. That's right.

Every time. Yeah. Every time. And also in a heterosexual couple, I think we talked about this. When the woman dies first, the man dies shortly after. Usually he doesn't even know what to do. He doesn't even know where his medicine is. He literally leaves the planet. Yeah. Yep. Like willingly. Yep. Their career momentum also slows down. Once married, even as friends, they fall short because most male friend groups aren't based on emotional bonding. It's usually based on something else in a system like patriarchy. They are allowed to get rewarded even when they fall short of decent people.

I don't hate men. I like them and want them in my life, but I am realistic about what it, uh, what is there, which helps me live without placing them as the center or pedestal. They are regular people. I love that. I love that. Men are regular people. Yeah. I love that. And no, you can't argue that. Cause we're all like, we're just beat. Yeah. Yeah. That's really good. And you know, I, I, I still find myself like, I think I escaped from some really codependent

relationship habits and stuff. But I still have to talk to myself and go, wait, are you waiting for him to get home before you decide to do... There's certain times where, yes, you want to be considered, of course. It feels good to be in a partnership that's mutually... You have mutual respect for each other and mutual bond. But it is so important to maintain your individuality in a relationship. And it's like... And how I do that is I just ask myself, like, oh, what do you want to do this weekend? Don't ask...

is there something you want to do without him? Like at, or have, what was the last time you hung out with your friends? You know, like making sure you just got to talk to yourself in your head. That's all. Yeah. And it is a practice. That's a great way to put it. Yeah. I love this too, is imagine yourself happy now, which I love this, like in the momentness, right. It is perfectly okay. And especially as like, we, I think, especially for this stage in our lives, like a lot of like, uh, women in their late thirties, uh, uh, mid to late thirties, it's kind of like in this, like, okay, well, is he here kind of a thing? And like,

what does it matter? Just do whatever you want. Right. It is perfectly okay to want a partnership that is a human need. However, no one said you had to be removed from your life and not fulfilled because of it. No one said you must wait to be partnered to start. No one said you must wait until a man sees you to feel remarkable or to be worth it. I feel like, I feel like being a heterosexual woman is a lot like being an out of work actress. Like we're walking around waiting to be discovered, you know? And like, it needn't be like that.

Right. Nothing worse than when you walk out of your house. Yeah. Maybe he'll see. I'm ready for my close up. Ready to go. Hello. Yeah. That power is not theirs to give. It is yours and it has always been yours. You want to feel 100 percent and you can get there or at least close enough to it through actionable steps, therapy or medication, whatever you need to feel like your life is yours. Do it.

And then number three, and this is the last step, expand your imagination. Love this. We've only been given one framework for happiness. And I think we talk about this a lot on this show and have over the past 10 years, right? Our queer friends found multiple frameworks for joy. They certainly did come a lot of community, right? Yeah. Uh, what if we did the same and found a framework encapsulating where we are now? What if we accept that they're, uh,

that where we are is our framework for happiness. What if we decide our lifestyle is not proof of our incorrectness or badness? It is proof that we are alive and are trying. It's so cliche, but happiness is what you make it.

When I first heard that quote, I thought it meant you can do many things to be happy. I didn't realize it meant you can define happiness and even say it's where you are now. And that can be the final decision instead of like being this goal or this thing in the future and be like, well, am I happy now? Yes, I'm happy with things and a situation that I never thought I could be happy in. You know, I didn't know you could take happiness with you at every stage and there is no prerequisite.

That's amazing. So yeah, I just like... I've been very... I just... The phrase... I had heard it before. And again, like I said, it's been a phrase and kind of a practice used in many waves of feminism. But I just...

was offered a, a, like a Tik TOK or an Instagram reel a couple of weeks ago with this woman just explaining her life since she decentered bed. And first of all, this bitch look happy as hell. Um, and I was just like, I really just love the language that you use to describe this because I think, uh, feminism, uh,

Some of the criticisms of feminism is that it's like too hateful towards men. And I think, you know, we we have to like correct that a little bit. I think we even saw it like with Trump being elected. I think part of it is like the left has to find a way to be progressive without being demeaning.

And even though I don't care about being demeaning towards men, I think it's not sellable. You have to brand feminism in a way that's palatable to women who want to protect men who are probably the women who need something like this the most. Because the people who are going to agree with this, who are going to agree with this

really like outrageous version of feminism well they didn't really need it to begin with they were already they were already decentering but also to like I think like putting that kind of it's like a carrot that you dangle out to people in terms of like like when when people on the internet like we have all have like a call it like a female Santa comedian a black woman who's like talking about white women and right and

And her frustrating experience. But I can hear that. I don't get offended. Yeah. There's awful. It's awful. And you don't get offended. But you know when you talk about the Me Too movement and a guy's like, oh, I'm not going to rape. Now I don't. Now I didn't think you were going to do that. Now I don't trust you. Now I don't fucking trust you. Like if I talk about men in a way that I'm frustrated and I've had some of these negative experiences and a man listening to me gets pissed off. I mean it happens on Instagram all the time.

To me, I'm like, well, then you're just that kind of man. And you just outed yourself as that to me. It's pretty sick. I really see no argument where someone can push back on the phrase decentering men. Right. That's why I let... Yeah, yeah.

No one's no one's centering women. Women aren't even centering women. Yeah. For the most part. No. Which is the problem. Yeah. And I still got I have so much ingrained misogyny still in my head because I still the idea of being gay, of being a lesbian. It it it.

I, I, I feel weight lifted already. Like, I just feel like, um, like, you know, I've always been weird about like cleavage and stuff. Like now I ask myself like, Oh, I want to dress sexy today for who? For me. Okay. Then do it. You know what I mean? Like I still have to check, like, am I dressing sexy for, or am I not dressing sexy for other people? Yeah. Are you not dressing sexy because you don't want attention? Are you dressing sexy because you do, or you aren't dressing sexy just because I want to and you want them out. Right.

Right, right. So, yeah, fact check yourself. You got to interrogate stuff. That's great. I really like that. And there are so many, like, even, like, little things. Like, when I'm angry at, you know, at a woman, there is a man involved, I go, am I angry at her or is this...

ingrained misogyny. Yeah. So many times in life, I have a great massage. We all have it. Yeah, we all have it. It is. It is like literally, it really is. I love that they called it a practice in that article because it really is a daily practice for me with like just undoing it. And it's,

I'm thankful for comedy because I feel like it fast-tracked because I see it so much clearer because it's happening at a quicker rate when you're working with men so often. Yep. And would be rewarded more

more so in comedy for having this pick me girl energy. And we see it all the time. I, I see my peers being rewarded for being pick me girls. And these are not weak women. These are strong, strong, successful, famous, talented,

you know? Yeah. And you, and you go, fuck, I want the success, but at what cost? Yeah. That's like, I feel like I asked myself that question every day at what cost? That's a good question to ask. Oh, and it's, it leaves you with an empty wallet. Yeah.

Girl, don't I know it. I mean, just having, what a pain in the ass integrity is. I swear to Christ. Yeah. Yeah. It's not a moneymaker. It's not a moneymaker. It's not an Instagram follower getter. No. No. It doesn't matter how pretty that face is. Really repulsive. Yeah, it is. Okay.

You know who's not repulsive? Today's guest. Absolutely. Goddamn. She's a delight. She's such a delight. Oh, my God. I love her. She's a stand-up comedian. And her special, Catholic Cowgirl, is out now for your viewing pleasure. On YouTube. On YouTube. We had such a great conversation. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the show, Katherine Blanford. If you could call me up just so you could put me down, well...

I don't believe it.

Okay, everybody, we are here with stand-up comedian Catherine Blanford. So happy to have you. Guys, I'm so happy to be here. You're in such an adorable onesie. It's perfect for the holidays. It's so good. I was just in Albany, New York, and didn't even think about it. Wore this, obviously, and it was like a muted brick background.

Oh, okay. And people kept sending me pictures, and I had bright lipstick on, and that's all you can see. Floating lips. Because this is... Muted tones. And I'm also pale. Yeah. So it just looked like... And also, I'm doing an act out, so my lips are like... And this is all you can see. I really wish people would stop photographing us while we're doing stand-up. It's unnecessary. Can we just say... It's not a photographic medium. Right. Right.

We see you have 36 options. You took 36 pictures. Pick the one. Yeah. You don't have to show us the others. Yeah, yeah. And don't post the bad ones. Exactly. The amount of bad stand-up photos I get tagged in. I'm like, we don't. Come on. Also... Try a little bit. Right. There's one of me... There's one of us just pausing and letting the laughter roll in. Right, yeah. You could choose that one. Don't do the act out moment. Yeah. Right? They love the one where you're like...

It's like you're blowing an elephant. Yeah, because they're like, this is art. You're like, okay. You're like, this is art. You're like, I don't give a shit about art. I'm trying to sell tickets. Don't post that one. Bad faces do not sell tickets. Unless you're a man. Unless you're a man. When they bend down, women are still doing that. When you're in the merch line and they're like, I got this one, and then they bend down and they take the lower one. I'm like, it's not artsy. It's disgusting. It's never a cool picture. Mm-mm.

No. Why are we still doing it? I don't know. I don't know, but I think we should, we should start a, uh, what's that website for the petitions? Oh, um, you know, we blocked it out. Yeah. I blocked a lot of things. Something, something.org. Yeah. Change.org. Reddit.com. I literally have no recollection. That's so funny. Uh, change.org. Yeah. Change.org. That would make sense. That was so simple. Is that, we're like, what is it? Okay.

Catherine, you, um, we're going to get into it. We're just going to get right into it. Um, we, cause this is the first time we've met, but you've sent us topics that I'm very excited to talk about. But, uh, before that you were talking about cheating. You had a podcast about cheating called cheaties. Um, and you talked about cheating for three years and you just revealed to us exclusive exclusive that you have changed your stance on cheating. What was your original stance? What is it now? How'd we get there?

Okay, so podcast started because, you know Lace Larrabee? She's a comic in Atlanta. I was like a New York comic on the scene in Atlanta and I was watching her do a bit about going through an ex-boyfriend's phone.

I'm like, oh, she'd take screenshots and send it to herself. And then scroll and take screenshots. On his phone? On his phone. She would fake sleep. I'm literally doing her bit. She would fake sleep? And then when he went to sleep, then she'd go get on his phone, screenshot, and then she would...

send herself the messages of the screenshots, right? And then she'd have to delete the pictures and the messages and go delete the pictures and then delete the deleted. Yeah. Wow. Girls know. Right. And so I was a young kid and I was dating a comic at the time, like trauma bonded kind of relationship. He was a horrible person. He was. Right.

Right. And then, can you believe? No. Never heard that on the show. No, he just wasn't paying rent because he needed time. He needed money to buy other girls clothes. So responsible. I know. But I remember he was taking a nap and I was bored, so I was like, well, I'll go through his phone. And I caught something and then remembered her bit.

and was literally like, oh no, I have to send it to myself. Oh my God, I have to delete it, delete it. And like, it was like truly like a step by step. Like it was like a how to. Yeah. Like thank God I'd seen her bit. And, um, and afterwards like I caught him and everything. And, and what'd you see? What was he? He was buying other girls clothes or no, that, that was like, I should, I should be okay with that.

No, this is what he's telling me. He's like, dude, you just aren't used to a guy that's good friends with girls, you know, kind of thing. Can't pay rent. But he's like, will you try these on? I want to see if they'll fit Rachel. Now I have a bone to pick with a lot of my male friends who haven't been buying me clothes. Yeah, I don't think a male friend has ever bought me clothes. Or how about try these on and see if they fit Rachel. If they're too tight on you, they definitely won't fit her.

Oh, wow. Oh, wow. He would say that? He would ask you to try on clothes for another woman he was fucking? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What a ballsy bitch. I mean, really, what a weak bitch. I was weak. He's living in my place, not paying rent, using my car to drive to work while I took a bike to work. Wow. He was a scrub. Right. Honestly, yeah.

I mean, I'm like, dude, if you can get away with it. Right. The best way to lie, they say, is in plain sight. And I mean, we see that all the time with the celebrities. I mean, R. Kelly, what a great example. He was literally telling us in songs what he was doing. Pete Diddy in an interview talked about his parties where he drugged people on like a late night show. And I'm like, damn. He just came right out with it, huh? Yeah. And then if you like giggle after it, it's like,

I guess she was gay. So what was the straw that broke the camel's back? So I remember going through his phone and like, like girls sending him pictures of them in bras and like him flirting back. But I'm like, they're just friends. They're just friends. They're just friends. And then, um, your suspension of disbelief. We're all in bras, by the way, guys, it's normal. Friends are just sit, hang out in bras. Just some are exposed and some aren't. It's fine. Um,

But then I remember there was a random girl. It was like all these long paragraphs. And then I almost like skipped through it. And then I just, I saw one little sentence right before I exited out of it that said, I usually don't do this with one night stands.

And then she had invited him over for Thanksgiving. What? Wow. And yeah, he was supposed to come with me like a wedding over Thanksgiving and he ended up staying in town. And I guess, and then like the response to it, some, and then I scrolled up from that and it was like, you left your underwear here and did the winky tongue out emoji. So I knew she was older. Is that an older emoji?

I think emojis are just older. How old are you? 33. Oh, I use emojis. I'm 36. Yeah, I think emojis are... I used them when I was in my 20s, though. Oh, meaning she's not like 21, you're saying? Yeah, but we used them when we were younger. Oh, like Gen Z doesn't use them? No one in their 20s now is using emojis. I see what you're saying. Yeah, Eric's never sent us an emoji. Well, he's enough that there's a need to. They're a little bit more feminine, too. Yeah, that's true. I think emojis is like...

If you're using an emoji past, if you're 30 and younger and you're using emojis, you're an old soul. And then the teenagers, they're not even texting anymore. They're just sending air bubbles. They're just sad because they keep comparing themselves to other people. Right, right. Okay, okay. Okay, so for three years we probably, actually I probably, so we started a podcast called Cheaties about cheating and people call in and tell us their stories.

And we were always like, go through their phone. That was the advice you gave on Chidi's? Were you dating this asshole when you were doing this podcast? No, I had since broken up with him. Was he sorry? I want to go back to that really quick. Did he have any remorse? Did you see him squirm? No, I mean, no, no, no. He probably lived on my couch for like

Three months after we broke up. I mean, I was weak. I always say, I don't have a type. I just date. I PTSD date. Okay. Where, like, whatever. My next relationship is a complete response from my past relationship. Yeah. Like, do you know what I'm saying? Like, I'll date the opposite of the person I dated previously. Right. Like, it's just like a pendulum. Uh-huh. Okay. Yeah. And so this one was, he was very, like, I mean, he was just...

He's terrible. That's an awful thing to do for a very long time. Like a lot of layers of awful things. Right, but before that I was in college at SEC school and dated a very put-together kind of frat boy...

Dad had money, had his shit together, and I was like the weird kind of like one that like stood out and like why can't you just be like a normal girl, you know, that fits into the box and doesn't talk so much, you know? And so then I decided to date somebody who like has no aspect of their life together and kind of is like the other side of like –

You know, like, is doing everything I'm not used to at all. That doesn't fit in the norm at all. Yeah. Like, very artsy-fartsy and, like, has girlfriends that are friends and is kind of, like, more explore sexuality and, like, just all this other stuff that was just completely the opposite of, like, a very square person. Yeah, it's to cleanse yourself from the last relationship in a way. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But, like, so much that you're looking for the opposite that you, like, ignore all the horrible things.

bread flags you know um so he was like i mean he was a comic first of all and uh and it but it was very much like i can't get out of here i can't get my my car is not put together like i have to have to send money back to my family etc etc etc so he stayed on my couch for like three months afterwards wow never paid rent did he ever bring chicks to your couch

Well, so I, before I even caught him cheating, I, I remember like, I found like girls underwear in the couch. In the couch. And you were like, I, I'm your friend. Yeah. I remember asking him. To fuck a guy on a couch. That's something. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure. Like when he sleeps on the couch. I mean, it's fine. Right. Right. Right. I mean, he's. Fuck on the couch and then go to the bed. Yeah. No, he's probably doing well right now if he has a couch to sleep on. Honestly. Wow. Like, um.

I remember he told me about the underwear and I just remember being like, he was like, oh, one of my, like a comic, a few comics when you're out of town came and crashed on the couch. Maybe it was one of theirs. And I was so, I'd never been cheated on before. Oh, wow. And then you got really cheated on. Yeah. Oh, man. How did you feel? Uh,

You know, I think I was like blindsided. I think I realized as soon as it finally clicked that he had cheated on me, I was like, oh, he's been, oh, he did it the whole time. Yeah. He was doing that for four years. And I think like, depending on your sense of self-

I've been cheated on a couple times and my sense of self was not intact when it happened. And so the depression spiral that I went into of like, I'm the worst. I deserve this. And now I'm like, I feel like if I get cheated on now, I'll be devastated. But still, I'm like, that's not you. So what was your reaction? I think I was like...

I think I was so over the relationship because he was just kind of like a jerk. I mean, he was like a gross person that it was almost like, you're free. Fly, little buddy, fly. The door's open. Go, fly. So I think I was like, and I think it was finally like, but he was, it was, the best part about it was we were comics in Atlanta and he was, when we first started dating, he was like the funny guy.

He was like the funniest comic, right? Everyone was like, dude, this dude's, he's the prodigy, everything. And he was saying stuff like, you know, he'd like run a bar show and he'd be like, I can't put you on it. I just saw you like, I just saw you bomb, you know, you're not ready yet.

This is very much funniest comic in Atlanta. Yes, exactly. I will take any power that I possibly can get my hands on. Dude, these six people that were just in the bar when I started my show, they can't handle you yet, dude. So funny. And...

I remember, like, and I kind of always, when I would go up afterwards, I hated when he'd watch me because he'd be, like, critiquing it and, like, telling me, I should do this, blah, blah, blah, I should do that. And, like, afterwards people were telling me, he was like, I'm worried, you know, she's probably not going to go anywhere. I wrote all of her jokes, blah, blah, blah, she's never going to go anywhere after this. And it was kind of fun. Like, once I caught him cheating, I was like, then I started going on stage and just kind of, like,

Just letting loose about it. Then I really learned how it felt to be honest on stage. Totally. Oh, fun. He gave you a gift. Right? He gave me a gift. And then it was like...

Nice. And then I took off and I, and I, I found my own style and everything. Cause I wasn't like trying to do what he told me to do on the stage. Right. And, uh, and then, and like, it's been, I've like, it's been like skyrocketing. Oh, that's amazing. What a beautiful story. So how is your opinion on cheating change? Like, was it, what was it? Well, originally, well, that it was bad and now it's good. You know, listen, guys, listen,

I, and this is, I'm just being totally honest. Yeah. I, um, I've always been like go through phones and we're very against that on the show. Right. I get it. Let me just say that. It never turns out because so I was, and then I was dating. So,

Then I went, obviously after I dated him, I went to a very secure suburban guy with a Tahoe and a closet full of khakis and button-ups. And it was good. I remember I would go through his phone and I'd be mad going through his phone because I couldn't find anything. And I'd be like, God, you're so freaking boring. Talk about me at least or something. And I'd just be seeing memes he'd be sending with his bros and I'm like, these suck. These are so stupid. And then like

I kind of started touring, and then I moved half the time out to L.A., and then truly was really moving on past my life in Atlanta, but still it was hard. I'd been living with him for three years, and we had a dog together, and I was with his family every holiday. Were you into him? So...

That's a no, girl. Like you were confused about that question. I was... Sounds like an on-paper boyfriend. It was an on-paper boyfriend. He's a good guy.

But we, like, were very much friends the last two years. Okay. That's a lot of time. I can just see you, like, having an intervention with him and be like, I looked through your phone and you're boring. I really... I'm like, get after there. Go find somebody else. You know what I mean? Like, come on. Yeah, at least some fucked up jokes or something you have to find. Yeah. Like, it was, like, it was not... That was the worst part is, like, he wasn't bad. So I was like, I don't have any... I have...

I don't have like a jumping off point, you know? I mean, obviously if I was like that mature and healthy, I'd be like, I just am not into you, but I'm never. Right. I'm not going to say that person. No, he has a hot tub.

So I think that's hard. Like full-size hot tub? That's pretty cool. Yes, that's hard. He has a hot tub on his deck. Oh, his deck? And a dog. A hot tub isn't that expensive. You can get one. You could get it. Especially now. Not in LA. Not an apartment in LA. They have blow-up ones that are great. And if you have an outdoor space, for sure you can get one. I simply... I can't afford that much water. That's true. LA is a little stingy on the water. And so I...

I will be honest. Then I went to a festival and then I started to talk to people about how I've been wanting to get out of this relationship. Or I don't know. I don't know what I should be doing. Should I be in this relationship? Should I not be in this relationship? If you start...

going around to groups of people at a festival and asking if you should be in a relationship. I think that was your higher self trying to knock on your head saying, dump him. People I just met. Yeah, no, we get it. That's why I'm saying. Like, I don't even know you.

And I'm sending you pictures of it. You're the steerer of your own destiny. I know. I really like needed, it was my, I needed, I needed to do it. You know, like I needed to like sabotage myself. Okay. Got it. Yeah. It's not good. Yeah. But it's a human thing. Yeah. Yeah. So I went, I was at moon tower and I, um,

Started flirting with another comic. And then I flew, after Moon Tower, I flew to Atlanta. And I was, I like was totally drunk from like partying the last night or whatever. And I fly in and I have a Zoom call with like, we were pitching a TV show to TV networks execs. And I'm like, I'm like trying to put my makeup on. I'm like, we have like a script we go through, right? So I go on my phone to look at the script and I can't find my phone.

And then I'm like, and I go into his office to ask him where it is and the door's locked. So I go through like the bathroom entrance and he's in my phone going, going through it. Oh, a man looked through your phone. Oh my God. Yeah. How did it feel? And I was kind of like, I've never heard that story. I've had a guy look through my phone. It's only guys with real feminine energy. I mean, really what you're going to find is like girls, like you're going to be talking, you're going to see us talking about how bad, how bad our shits were.

you know it's like you're it's like stuff you're not gonna want to see but just like what is there i've never talked like you don't say that with your girlfriend absolutely not oh guys and i think like farts are really funny but i don't like farting for my girlfriend you know like i don't know it's a different type of girl we're just not that girl but i talk about like do you talk to dead people have you seen an alien but that's oh god yeah i'm an alien in my colon yesterday like i we don't you guys don't do this no oh yeah no me neither

You know what's in pics? No? Okay. How much do you know? I've heard of this. I've heard of this. It's not real. I had a roommate who had like, she had a quality of shit contest with her girlfriends and they like all competed to see what they were going to eat and like, and then who could get like the firmest, healthiest. That's funny.

That's fun. I had a really healthy one this morning. See, it's fun. I'll talk about it. I was happy for her. It's just not something I'm going to do. It's not for me. I got stuff to do. It's not even about time for me. I'm just not – that's not under my interest. Yeah, it's not – Really? It doesn't – it's not – yeah, I'm not gravitating towards wanting to talk about that. What?

But that's okay. Do you guys have IBS though? No. I'm Jewish though so my stomach sucks. Okay, okay. I think I have a lot of Jewish friends. Yeah. So it's like it's No dairy for us. Yeah, it's like a constant like did you make it home today? Yeah. That's what we're texting each other. Not because we want to check if you're safe. Yeah. We're checking to see if there's a mess. Yeah, yeah.

So he's looking through your phone. So he's going through my phone. I love that he locked his office door. And so this is when I changed perspective. I think it's not healthy to go through someone's phone anymore. Oh, so because it happened to you. Yes, exactly. Well, that's what it takes to really get a full perspective on the situation. You have to have it happen to you. And you're like, oopsie poopsie, that actually sucks. What tipped him off? So I honestly think it was- When you stumbled and drunk? When I stumbled and drunk and someone else closed the door.

With a big ass flannel. I wasn't. But I think he just... I think I had been different for probably a while. But you were pulling away. Yeah. Maybe both of you were looking for an excuse to end the relationship. Very much. Because I'm not into you anymore. That is not a motivating reason to break up. Which is odd because that's the...

Like that's the only reason you should stay together is if you're into each other. Yeah. Cause then you're like, then what's the motivating reasons to break up? Like if something bad happens, meaning like people feel like, Oh, if you cheat on me, then I have a reason to break up with you. And it's good. Like, I don't know. Like when it fades, you're like, is it fading? It's like you're going around all the people. You're like, is this what I'm, is this, or am I just being bored? Am I being bored of a good guy? You know, I'm out the door immediately as soon as it even kind of flickers. That's,

I have to be really – I can't – I can't have the burden of a man in my life unless he's really bringing it kind of nonstop. I get it. I wish – I'm like trying to do that. I don't know if you should run as fast as me. It's fun. I think – I have more of this story. It gets insane, but I have – I want to be like – I try to be like – I want to like two years of just –

a flavor of the month. Uh-huh. I think that's fun as shit. Dude, when I was in my twenties, I had a rotation. I had like a five guy rotation. That was so Philadelphia. You, you have to listen back to you say rotation. Oh really? What did you say? I don't, I can't do a rotation. I was in Dublin, Ireland for the last 10 days or seven days or whatever. And I feel like, yeah. Um, anyway, um, uh, but, uh, that was so fun because it was never boring.

It's like you almost have to do that to want to be in a long-term relationship. You have to get sick of like –

I'm so sick of fucking all these hot guys. I want one hot guy. Yeah, I want to be sick of it. Yeah, I know. So he goes through it and then he's mad, right? And then I'm kind of flipping out. I'm like, oh shit, I have to go get on the Zoom call. Oh, right, you had the pitch? Yes, this is where it goes from suburban to white trash real quick. Yes.

And he's like, I'm like, I need my phone to get on the call. And he's like, no. He's like, you're just going to delete stuff. And I'm like, I literally need like. You don't have time to. Yeah, I'm like, like they pull up a thing. We have a script. I had to like watch it. I don't. And he, so he was like, fine. So he stood like, so I'm on the Zoom call, right? With these people. I'm and on my laptop, he's right behind the laptop standing there watching the whole time. I mean, it sounds bad. Did he find anything? No.

He saw the flirty text messages. And then I had been texting. Dude, it's so bad. When I said something. What did you say? And the worst part is it was me flirting. And I flirt like a 1920s newsy boy. I literally. Oh. Extra. This is the worst part. Gee, mister. Do you want to take a gal out to the prom tonight? It said, I wish you would have laid one on me.

What the fuck? I don't know, dude. I got a flirt. You know what, though? No, but you have like an adorableness to you. Is it the plaid? No, no. It's your personality. Like your personality is very like sweet and like a little like coy. I can see you being very coy, but like in a kid way. I get. You know what I mean? Yeah.

It's horrendous. That's what he read too. Wow. So I'm doing my meeting and at one point I go to grab my phone and he won't let me hold my phone. Because he's like, you're going to delete stuff. I mean, he's mad. I get it. Like you'd be pissed if you went through somebody's phone. But I'm also like...

dude, and I'm like, they're like asking me questions and I'm just trying to like, like be in the moment. So what are your character's motivations for this? Right. And I'm like, I'm about to be kicked out of my house. I need this guy, this job. Um,

So after the Zoom, he's like, give me your phone. Because he was like, I needed my phone so bad. I was like, I'll let you go through it after this meeting. I just need it for the meeting. I'm buying time. But I'm mad. I'm mad that he's messed up my meeting. I was out of it. And so he's like, give me your phone. And I'm like, no. And so he reaches behind me. There's a little bit, not a scuffle, but like, you know, like a no. And he's like grabbing for it. Grabs it, goes into his car.

and locks the door outside so he can read it. Okay, this guy is... So then I'm like, well, like, Hurricane Kathy has been unlocked. Yeah. She's unleashed. Now I'm pissed. Now, like, all the childhood fucked up trauma, like...

comes to the service and I'm like I don't care what I look like anymore so I start beating on the window and I'm like give me my phone back give me my phone back then obviously there's neighbors coming out because we live on a cul-de-sac so he's like well okay I'll just I'll get away from her so he puts the keys in the car

and starts driving away. But it's a Tahoe, so it has the step and then the little handles at the top. So I... Stick on the steps. Please help me trash. I hang on the side of the car. So it's moving. Like a garbage man. Like a garbage woman. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Yes, yes, yes. I am hanging on and then with one arm like beating on the window. By the way, Zoom makeup, Zoom crop top, sweatpants. Ugh.

That's the look. That's the look. Oh, house slippers. Driving down the street going, give me my phone back. Give me my phone back. And he has like the window cracked. Like you're insane. You're crazy. He's saying you're insane. Yeah. Now, does he know you've looked through his phone before or no? Yeah. Oh, okay. I tell him all the time. Did he ever get pissed about it?

No, because I think he just knew he was pretty vanilla. Okay, okay. Or I was probably like, hey, I'm going through your phone, so wise up. Yeah, if you need to. Yeah. We pull down a side street, and then he parks, because he's like, you're going to...

He's like, you're risking your life for this. And I'm like, dude, I'm also just like a thrill seeker. Like, this is an excuse to have a fun ass time. Right. But also, like, I have rage issues. So take my phone, drive down the street. I'm going to hang on to the side of the car. And so we're kind of like yelling at each other. Obviously, a woman comes out. She's like, are you okay? I'm like, yeah, I'm just trying to rescue my phone. And then beep bop boop, calls the police. Vroom.

Three SUVs show up. Wait, who calls the police? The woman? The woman. Oh, good, good. On the side. Yeah, yeah. And then they like separate us, right? And then he's like...

Dude, he throws me under the bus. He's like, she's trying to beat in my window. And I'm like, oh, we're going to go. Oh, oh, we're not going to try and save each other? Okay. And I remember at one point, like, one of the second cops showed up and he was like, I just went through her phone. She's clearly cheating on me. We've been together for four and a half years. We live together. None of that's illegal. The second cop shows up and he's like, if she's cheating on you, kick her to the curb, man. And I'm like, I literally was like, thank you, Judge Judy. Is this your job? Ew.

Then they told me to shut up and they moved me to the other side of the car. And then I think that's when he started to realize he was like suspect number one. And he was like, why don't I just give you your phone back and we go our separate ways. And I'm like, I didn't think about that while I was hanging on the side of your car. Yeah.

And so then the other cop came over and he was like, I just want to check. Like, has he been violent with you? And I was like, no. You know, he just took my phone or whatever. Glad he asked that question. Right. I'm glad he asked that question. It was, you can tell, like, I think he was like, he was like, yeah, the cops called. She's in trouble. And then I think as I was watching him answer questions, you could tell he was realizing like, oh, no, no, no. I could have gotten voluntary manslaughter. Very much. Yeah. Yeah.

So he had to give me my phone back, and then I walked back to the house in my slippers. And then we, like, had to have, like, a very, like...

Fun combo. Honest conversation after that. Yeah. So long story short, I don't know if going through phones is very healthy. Have you done it since that? No. No, I don't. I'll never go through someone's phone ever again. Yeah, because it's so stressful. It is, and it's like – I mean, looking back, I am kind of grateful for the situation because I had to end it eventually, and I –

I hit rock bottom with the phones too. With the hanging on of his car. Yes. Yes. And that was fun though. Yeah. Dude, I had like, I went and I had shows in North Carolina the next two days and I went and got my nails done and I took a picture to show my friends my nails and I didn't even realize I had like this whole side of my hand was like blue. Oh. I, I,

I know I seem sweet, don't I? Like the way I talk. So wait, let's talk about this rage. And then there's a bit of a rage inside. Yeah, yeah. I have rage. I have rage in me. Yeah. That could, if triggered in the right way by the right person, mainly my mom, I could kill. Oh. I could kill. Easily. I have no doubts. It's like...

It's the kind of rage where you're like, I could kill and I know there are consequences to it. And I would rather kill you and live the rest of my life in jail than not kill you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I fucks with that. Yeah, that resonates. Wait, can we have a list of people that you would kill to go and go to jail? I mean, who is... Allegedly. There's no one I care about enough to ruin my life. Oh, I mean, somebody in line at Dunkin'. It'd be cool if our brains thought...

Thought that ahead. Right. Because when you're in a rage, when you're in that rage, I love that. You just, you're a lion hunting and, and, and it takes so much work to,

to distract yourself out of that rage. It's wild. Where's the work? I've been to therapy and had therapists be like, well, why don't we think of a word that you say to yourself to get you out of it? I just gotta scream until I pass out. A word? I'm like, how about a taser? How about I bring a taser and taser myself? Because that's the only way I'm gonna get out of this rage. Yeah. I mean, a word's not, I don't even have that deep of a rage and a word's not gonna help me either. What's the most rageful thing? Never. Never.

What's the most extreme thing you've done in a fit of rage? Oh God. Or sad. Sometimes words hurt more. I mean, yeah. I mean, I'm sure I've said like, uh, horrendous. Um, I don't, man, the worst thing I've done in a fit of rage is,

I mean, I've broken stuff. I've thrown stuff. Usually by myself. Cause I like, it's humiliating to be rageful in front of people, but I, it's always happened many times. But then, then when I get humiliated because I'm rageful and it's someone in front of somebody that makes the rage worse. Yeah. Sucks. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In front of, I know I, it sucks, man. Okay. But do you have this though? This is a weird, I think this is like really effed up. Like,

when you're full of rage, right? This is like kind of like, uh, um, uh, road rage a lot in this situation. You're so mad at somebody, right? Yeah. That, um, I have an answer for you. I just remembered it. I just got kicked out of a Nashville hotel and got the cops called on me, but that's, that just happened. Yeah. Oh,

Oh, we'll get back to that. I'm realizing I have a lot of situations recently that make me not look so well. But you're really, really mad, right? And then somebody's pissed you off on the road, and then you'll do something to piss them off. And then when they get mad, all of a sudden it's like, and you're so happy. The minute that you transfer the anger to them, your rage is gone. It's like hot potato. Yeah, and you're like, I win. Watching somebody through their car window and you can't hear them go,

like fucking like mouthing yeah it's like uh it's relaxing it literally releases all of it yeah but somebody's trying to calm me down more rage oh yeah me trying to calm myself down much more rage yeah like any it's yes it's tough yeah yeah yeah rage is brutal i just realized it's like that's that's the only solution yeah is for you even if you're if you want me to calm down then you're gonna have to fake being madder than me yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah oh that's a good tactic

Tactic. You know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Fake a temper tantrum. I've hit a car with my car on purpose once. Really? Twice. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Like damage? Dents? A little bit. What was a tap? The other one, it's like when you're trying to merge on exits. Yeah. And it's every other car. So that car goes and now it's my turn and you try to go no. Oh no. Oh no.

Yeah. Oh, annoying people. I don't understand why people, why did you do that? And I can always tell I'm so, I drive a lot and I love, I do love driving even though I get right. Um, but I can always tell what somebody's mood is by how they're driving. I just, I can see them a mile away in my rear view mirror. I know if they're going to be a problem. Yeah. And like when there's another, usually like probably like a young kid who's like pissed and like fucking high on cocaine when he's driving and I see it, I will like,

Not get out of the way. Oh. And be like, fuck with me, motherfucker. Let's go. Right. Like, it's not. You're like, this is a showdown. Yeah. It's a duel now. Yeah. But when someone else is in the car, I usually don't get road rage. Oh, wow. Because I'm like, I don't want to embarrass myself. And at no point were we thinking about hurting ourselves. Not at all. The number one thing I'm always thinking about is safety. Wow.

I'm obsessed with it. That's awesome. I mean, it's a little extreme, I would say for me. If somebody cut you off, you, I don't know how to drive. I forgot. I haven't driven since I was like 17 years old. So this is not a good conversation. But somebody cuts you off on the sidewalk or something. You know what I mean? Like when you're walking in New York and shit, like a lot of people do that. I will risk my body. I will risk my life to, to, to make, to get even with that person. If I'm walking, if I'm a pedestrian, that doesn't bother.

If I'm a pedestrian and the car does something fucked up, I'll, I, I've taken objects and put dents in people's cars and then ran. Don't give me this idea. Sorry. Yeah. This doesn't bother me, but like something like it, like a stealing, like my joke or something. I see a comic performance. That, that has sent me over the fucking edge. Really? Yeah. Have you retaliated? No, not just ask. You just say nothing to retaliate. Uh,

Yeah, I don't retaliate. I just... Then I was like, clip it and post it immediately and be like, I'm like, here's a little throwback to January 2022 when I first told this joke. You know? Yeah, you handle the rageful situations that make you rageful. You handle them well. I put the facts out there. Like a lawyer. You don't leave with your emotions. Like a lawyer. Well, because...

So smart. But positively and negatively, right? Yeah, totally. So it's like, yes, I don't lead with my emotions, but that's a problem in relationships. Yes.

Oh, because you're all like, well, here's the pros and the cons. Oh, I love a pros and cons list. Oh, my God. That's your foreplay? I literally have a pre-made pros and cons list in my drawer. Like, I make so many that I got a full stack that already says pros and cons so I can just kind of rip it off. Quickly, quickly.

But my mom always made me make a pro. This is from childhood. Like my mom, when I couldn't make a decision, a house full of Libras, you know, my mom always made me make a pros and cons list, like sit at the kitchen table and make a pros and cons list to help me decide. That's great. So I still make them. What if it's even?

Four pros, four cons. I don't think that's ever happened. You get a lot of marinade. Sometimes you get a lot of marinade. Right. Usually, it'll be like two on one side and then just like a never-ending list to call on the other side. Because once I get going, and usually it's with cons. Can't stop. Yes. Once I get going with cons, they flow. Mm-hmm.

and then new ones you didn't even realize. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is really just the pros is just an icebreaker for the cons. Yeah, because you're so ready to go. Because I think our brains naturally want to list the pros, so they're at the top of your head. But then when you kind of unleash or unlock the cons, then they really start to peel the onion. That's probably why you –

can move on from relationships so quickly. Oh, I mean, I can't, I can't, I, I leave them. Do I move on? No, that's a different. Yeah. Yeah. She's yeah. Your heart's still in it. Uh, something's still like your ego. I would say my head. I don't know my heart.

I would say my head's still in it. That's how this podcast started. From her getting dumped and not being able to. I like to dump someone and then think about maybe I regret it for about two, two and a half years. And then I'm ready for the next boyfriend. Are you messaging them? Are you still hooking up with them? No.

No, a lot of tarot spreads. God, we're so opposite. It's so funny. This is so funny. Once I dump you, I do that thing from like an Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind where they erase your... I can do that. That's incredible. That's an incredible skill. If you could box that up, you'd be a multimillionaire. I know. But like once I'm done, oh, you're dead. If I see you on the street, I'd be like, who are you?

Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's things that people can do to me that cause that. Right. But normally I'm leaving before, because I'm leaving if there's a minor inconvenience. Really? You're leaving if you fucked my sister in front of me at our Thanksgiving dinner. And other people saw. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm not crazy.

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Yeah. So wait, your temper. I'm so into, I love women with rage issues because I don't hear enough of that from them. And, and you know, there's a lot of mad girlies out there and we should all have rage issues. Technically. I mean, I, I, I think we all do. Yeah. And it's like channeling your rage is an, is amazing. And when I, when I remember to do it or when I figure out how to do it, Oh my God, the best art comes out of it. But I, I am like the Tasmanian devil when I get in a rage zone. Yeah.

you, you, how recently was this getting kicked out of a hotel from your rage? Two months ago. Hell yeah. So what happened? Can you talk about it? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, well, I, I emailed the hotel and then I, but I told them I had footage and they're like, okay, send us the footage. And I was like, Oh no, I look bad. He isn't that you wouldn't get my money back then.

What happened? Again, I fully say that this is my fault. I was at Laura Peek's wedding. She's a comic. Oh, yeah. She got married in Nashville. She's great. And I was staying at the Dive Motel. My favorite place in Nashville. Yeah. Great motel. What did you do there? What'd you fucking do? You have separate entrances. How did you possibly get in the green tub? I have. Dude, it's going to be so...

It's going to be so lame. But it's like, I think I have like a thing about, I have a thing about when men are like trying to,

some kind of like power. Oh yeah. Even if it's in the most shallow way, I'm like, it's done. It's done. You're done. I don't care if, I don't care whatever consequences I have to suffer. I'm going to make you feel like the smallest person in the face. I'm sure this is daddy. You know what I'm sure? I grew up with like a narcissistic dad who always put me down. So I'm like, Oh no, no, no, no. He doesn't hear you. And so you're like, Oh, and then you realize you haven't been heard your whole life. And you're like, you will hear me. Yes. For the rest of my life.

Yeah. But the thing is, I feel like when you get angry, they get what they want. I just laugh when they're doing that because I'm like, Oh, you feel so small that you need to like exert your power in this way. I feel like you, I feel like when you get angry in those instances, they're still winning. You don't feel that? Um,

Um, the logical brain ain't available for that kind of thing. Concurrent. I know, but I'm just saying like, I mean, you're right. I think like you're wasting your energy. Cause I think that you're there, that you're letting them win. And then also getting whatever kind of footage, but it is fun to make them feel small. It's like when a driver gets mad at you, but you can laugh at someone that also makes them feel small. That's true. I go, I go, they want you to laugh. They want you to be like, he, he, thank you. Oh no, no, not a laugh like that. Like laughing at that, how they're pathetic. Stupid loser. Yeah. That kind of a laugh. I, I,

I wish I had that power. This is my weakness. It's a process. I'm like, I'd rather just... I'd rather stab you once, even though I know you're going to survive it, and I'm going to... Okay. I'm going to get 18 more stabs in the... Like, mental stabs in the process. I'd rather...

I feel that. Okay. One time. So I went back there late night and this guy I was talking to happened to be in town in Nashville at the time. So he was like, I'm going to come over. But he was like, he was visiting. He was in my town and he was close by. So he took like one of the motor scooters. And so there's like a late night security guard, I guess. Yeah. He has...

He has a curly, like greasy, low curly ponytail. But like the most of his hair. The guy? The security guard. Oh, okay. I have videos. I will show you afterwards. I mean, most of the top was gone though. Do you know what I'm saying? That's party foul. Are you ready for this? Leather fingerless gloves. All right, Big J. Yes, yes. But like...

a fourth of the size of Big J. Wow. That's not a great security. Little man with leather gloves. And so my guy shows up and I have paid to stay at the hotel. And he goes, he just didn't have his ID. He didn't bring his ID. And he was like, he can't come in without an ID. And I was like, well, yeah, but I'm a grown ass adult and I paid to stay here. So I'm in. And he was like, no. And I was like, yeah, yeah.

The demons are coming up. You're not going to stop me from this. Right, right. It was just this weird thing. I was like, I'm not in an all-girls Catholic dormitory. Why are you a grown-ass man? Now I get why that triggers you because a narcissistic parent, it's all control. It's control, control, control. And so you're out from underneath that and you're like, no one will control me. Totally. So you're hypersensitive to that stuff. Yeah, and I was drunk off my ass too. But it was just like this weird thing about like,

I'm a grown-ass person who's paid to stay at a hotel. Yeah. And there's a nasty man standing up front being like, no, you can't have this man come stay with you. I'm like, this is... Also, these rules are like... I understand hotels have this, but this is so people don't have parties. Not so one guy doesn't come over. Right, right. I'm like, I'm not... I do want to get into, after we hear this story, the type of guy that shows up on a motor scooter and doesn't have his ID because that's also the kind of guy I like to date. So I can only imagine who this is. Ha ha ha!

Are you addicted to a drug and love scooters? Because I am on your side, but also just like the amount of times I've had to reiterate to men, grownups travel with IDs. Wow. That's a... That's something my mother used to say to me when I was in high school. Like when I just got my driver's license, she said, you're a grownup and you always need to have your ID on you. I've said that to 34 year old men.

I know. I know. Dude, trust me. I wanted to

wanted to look at the man and say that I'm gonna be like I'm with somebody yeah who's just showed up on a scooter let me have this right you understand like things aren't going well I need this sir I get it don't kick me while I'm down I get it I get it don't kick me while I'm down hair on the top of your head but you have it at the bottom right no right that would piss me off so we're in a security guard with like a low level security job because he's gonna take it so seriously that's like mall cop energy like truly mall cop energy yeah and so so then I get

mad and I'm like you are not a man standing here telling me a paying customer with sleeveless I go I literally said are you waiting to fight the karate kid did you say that

Yes. And that's where it took a turn. Well, it was his job to be professional. You're the customer. Right. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So then the guy was like, I'll just be back. Catherine, it's okay. I'll be back. And so. No, you won't. I'm so, I'm so. By the way, I am, I am, I am like quintessential like white woman on a tear. Right, right, right. At this point. Right, right. I'm like still in my wedding dress. Like. I have like, I have like food in my teeth. I'm like. No.

This is amazing. So he, so he leaves. Right. So I go back into my motel. Cause it's like, you know, they all, your door faces the outside. Right. The pool. Right. Yes. Yes. Yes.

So he texted me. He was pulling up. So I come out. And the dude, the security guard is lurking in front of my door. And I'm like, this is gross. This is weird. And so he tells me. Because now he has it out for you specifically. So he starts telling me not another word. Not another word out of you. Not another word out of you. The security guard said not another word out of you? Then I go into this weird. I'm very drunk. And I start going like, this is so embarrassing. I'm like, you don't want another word?

That's exactly what I would have done. You want me to be a quiet, nice little girl? I would spend the whole night talking to him. That's exactly what I did. And he was like, you better cut it off, cut it out. And I'm like, you want your girls to stay quiet? It's disgusting. Well, if you're not getting dick, you can at least have some enjoyment. So I'm filming him. I got my phone at this point. And I'm doing this to him. And he's like, and I'm like, you want me to stay quiet?

I can understand that this is not going to help if you, if submitted. Yeah, I totally get, do not submit that video. Tell him your phone dropped in the toilet. To the portal. Yeah. I caught one working that night. Sorry. I'm like, Oh, only four seconds could upload. It's just him. So then, um, and then, so I have this video of him, like the, the guy shows up and he's about to check his ID. And I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, um,

You have to show your ideas. Sorry, I said something. And then he's like, you, not another word. He's like, I control all of this. This is my realm. I control it.

I can control all of this, right? It's my realm? Yes. Realm? Yes, it's so weird. I show you a video afterwards. What? Please do. What? Oh my God. And then when he shows him his ID and he's like, okay, you can come in. Oh, so the guy came back. He scooted back and came back with his ID. He scooted back on low battery. That pussy bomb. That pussy bomb. Catherine, that pussy good though. It's that dive hotel pussy though, you know? You got scooter but then afterwards Uber pussy. Right? And he knew there was a disco ball in that hotel room, right? Oh God.

And some shag carpet. Oh, you got the orange one with the double tubs? That's the best one. How many times have you been here? I've seen it at least three times. I've seen it at a bunch of photo shoots there. Even though you're not supposed to. Just get it for a discount now. Just be like, can I get a discount if I don't say anything while I'm here?

So then, so we come in, right? And then on the way in, I'm still recording him and I think he just, I'm sure I said one more thing. Oh, oh, this is what I kept saying. No, because I've soon sent this to some friends. He kept being like not, he's like, don't say another word. And in my drunken mind, I was trying to be like, what am I saying that's so inappropriate? Because he kept saying he was going to kick me out. But in my drunken mind, I kept going,

In what way? In what way? In what way? And since, like, my friends have, like, I'll wake up to a voicemail from them and they'll just be like, in what way? In what way? So I think I did one more, in what way? You know, and he was like, you're out of here. One too many. Yeah. So he was annoyed by you. Yes. And his ego was hurt. Yes. So, naturally, more cops and SUVs showed up.

And they told me that they could take me to jail for trespassing because he kicked me out. And then he said he'll make me a deal. He said I could stay there, but my guest can't. The security guard says this? Yeah, in front of the cops. And I'm like, so we're all hearing...

And this grown man said, I can stay in this hotel. But I can't. He clearly has domain over. Right. But I can't have a guest. And the cops were like, I mean. It's a private business. Yeah. And I was like, all right. So I went and I just packed up my shit and I left. Where'd you go?

well, he had an Airbnb the whole time. I was going to say, why don't you just go to this guy's place? It was a matter of fact. The hotel's so aesthetically beautiful and unique that like, you kind of want to fuck in it. Very much. You wanted to fuck in it. Yeah. I, uh, I honestly, I'll probably go back. I, I, I,

I can't believe you're not banned. You should get a discount. You should get like a free night. Dude, they didn't even know. I emailed them afterwards because I was just like, I wonder if I can get... All I emailed them was asking for my refund for the night. It was like $200. Did they give it to you? I emailed them, explained it. They had no idea what happened. They were like, oh, we have... Yeah, because that guy didn't have grounds to... No, it's a security company they hire. Oh, that's always bad. And there's no one from the hotel on the premises overnight. So how late was this? Was this like four in the morning? Yeah, like one, one, one. Oh, one isn't even that late.

it that late. Nashville's a party town. I know. I know. I was like, why is there four SUV cars here? It's one of those like, no, it's like you have to check in by 10 kind of, it's a very small business. Yeah. That's the only thing I love small businesses, but I hate when no one from the, the place is on like, that sucks. You're just like, you need access 24 seven if you're in a hotel. Right. Right. But I will say the whole situation was just me with rage issues and an ego. Like, like,

Like just dueling it out with somebody else with rage issues. Right. And when they, and when their ego is bruised as well. Yes. It's like, it's like, I've said this before to Corinne, I think of like some days and this, this hasn't happened in a while. I still get rage, but like this type of rage, like I just want somebody to spit on me. So I have an excuse to fucking claw you. Yes.

Yes. Like I want it so bad because that's the only I know logically that's not a good outlet or the only one, but it's the only one that would provide any semblance of relief. It's like it takes the air out of the out of the thing. Then you all of a sudden you don't have to think logically or use rational rationale. You now have like a fight response that you maybe have to have.

Right. Well, if you're in danger, but yeah, the brain's tricky. Do you talk to your dad? No. Good. Awesome. No, no, that's great. Like a lot of people, you guys knew that. I don't know. I was, how did, did she say something about or that, or did you just, did you just assess that from, well, because I don't talk to my parents either. And, and the narcissism thing is, I know a lot of people that have parents that like are not officially diagnosed, but like textbook shits, I've read so many books about it.

And I think it's interesting because stuff like the holidays come around and I'm like, I can do whatever I want. The inner peace I am currently enjoying for the past couple years, it took me a while to grieve it, but this last year I would say I'm good. Every moment is bliss when I think about that. It's so fun. Do you hang out with your friends? Yeah. I just did my first Thanksgiving. And my boyfriend's family is amazing. And I'm like, this is great. Putting the boundary and not talking to them anymore is...

it's yeah, it's not for everybody, but the narcissism thing is a very specific desire to chip away at you and make you feel small and getting off on making you feel small. And that is just like, there's no room for that. There can't be room and be sane at the same time. Oh, you'll just, they're, they're never, they're like, they're never in it to get better. They're always in it to win. I know. Yeah. And they don't like when you do well and it's like, you hate me, but you're obsessed with me. It's very, when you cut your dad off, what was, did he have a reaction?

Yeah. Um, God, it's probably almost been like nine years now. Nice. Um, it was like the final straw was like holiday time kind of thing. I was, I spent it alone cause he was off with a, whatever, a wife or whatever. And, um, a wife or whatever. Right. Yeah. And then, uh, and then he was like, you're not being very polite and cheerful after like I watched them open presents for her kids. Yeah.

I was like, I don't give a shit about any of this. And then he was chasing me around the house again. And he was going to pick me up and throw me out of the house and lock the door and then throw my shit out the window. And I'm like, I'm 26 years old. Yeah, I was like, pick you up? You're an adult. Oh, God. That wasn't... Yeah, it's not even half of it. And I was like, yeah, we're not... We're no longer going to be doing this. And I... He...

But it was nasty. It was gross. But we were constantly going at it our whole lives. And it was that very narcissistic thing right after that where then he'd send group chats to me and my brother. He's like, hey, Catherine. Not ever acknowledging that anything was messed up. He was doing that for a year. We hadn't talked for three years.

and he was in group chats in the message like asking like a question like we had talked for two hours the day before and like would show up with girlfriends to my shows if I was anywhere near town with like family members and stuff until I just had to be like I'll have security throw you out but it was like I'm emailing you this this correspondence kind of thing and I think this is

the telltale sign that it is the right decision if you cut somebody off. Um, cause like my, my mom passed away 10 years ago. I miss my mom. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like I, I see, I watch videos, I get sad. I know what it's like to miss somebody. I've never once missed my dad. I've never watched anything of my daughter, father, anything and ever felt

grief or like wanting that because I've also never known that, you know? And I've never ever wanted a relationship. I've never missed him. Like this is the most peace I've ever felt. Yeah. It's so thrilling. Yeah. And you're like, oh my God. It's so... It's incredible. And I have... Like I said, I know a couple friends with like a parent that's very narcissistic, like really narcissistic and in varying... It all comes out in different ways, right? But I'm like, all the narcissistic parents should all...

talk to each other and then they could bitch to each other and then they feel they're gonna feel seen and heard with each other I'm like I want to like start a service that's like you guys chat amongst yourselves you can talk about how much we suck you get to bitch about whatever they want but I'm like you need to get it out and you need to be like you need to have somebody with your shit qualities

in front of you so you can get like i because i for the longest time i'm like no they can fix this there's no way somebody wants to be like this they're acting so ridiculous they're like why would you show up somewhere that you're not wanted like how there's got to be a way i can make you understand this but you can't and i feel like they just want to get it out and they want to talk about stupid shit i'm like they should just all talk together it's like a dating app for narcissistic parents not even necessarily to date just to talk do you think that they would see their own uh

problematic ways if they watch another parent. Probably not. I don't think any... I don't know that anything would help. Yeah. I don't know. I do think it's a mental illness. Yeah. It's a response... It's usually like a response to something. Like, I get it. You were treated like shit as a kid and something bad happened and that sucks. But like, cool, so it was alright. I'm not like that. Right. So... Yeah. The only like...

It's not an excuse. The only thing I've come to peace with it is that their whole generation, they didn't have... There was no communication. There was no talk about it. It was like...

Shut up. Right. Shut up. Get over it. Deal with it. There was no internet. So we have so many, we have people all over the world to talk to. Like, you know, so it's like basically like growing up, like unless you had another friend in your friend group with narcissistic parents or something, like you just would think that you were the only one. Like you don't have, you can't go to the meme page for, you know, narcissistic parents or.

In my case, I was like obsessive compulsive disorder. You're like, Oh, there's a whole unit of people who have this online. I can talk to them in Australia and England and everything. Yeah. And, and you're, and like you're sharing experiences. You're being like, okay, this isn't, this isn't norm. Yeah. You, you hear about somebody who got out of it. Do you realize there's like ways to get out of it or ways to deal with it back then? I feel like,

the more extreme it was, it was almost like a sense of pride. Like you hear people talk about it. They're like, my dad, my mom beat me to kingdom come. And they're saying it in like a like,

who like I and I endured it I am yes and I am strong yeah right and that's where the me focus starts with them it's like me me me me me but also too like like because I think they our parents didn't have outlets for that they internalized it I think when your parents are fucked up a lot of times kids will internalize it but that then that can be the seed that's planted that makes you so fucking self-centered yeah yeah you know was your relationship with your dad always bad or did it did it kind of take a turn for the worse after your mom passed away

It was always bad. Because I just wonder if some of that is also like grief that he's not dealing with correctly and taking it out on you. Yeah, it was always bad, but my mom took the brunt of it. And that's really like, by the last few years, my mom's life was ruined.

Because of him. Oh, very much because of him. Oh, I would hate him for that. Like, I mean, extreme alcoholism. And I'm like, oh, yeah. But I'm like, it's because of him. Like, she was under his thumb. Right. Like, the way he spoke to her and everything. He was nasty. I mean, I never left the house. Like, I went away, far away from college. I never, when I came home, I never left the house not crying. Yeah. You know, it was always just like, he was a horrible person. So she was like the punching bag and then it moved on to you.

Because I was the one, I just had brothers. And I think I was the one that

I understood Saul and was like, yeah, I'm not putting up with this shit anymore. I was very much the black sheep, too, where I'd fight back. You know, I'd talk back. I would put up boundaries. I'd put up barriers. I'd call out the bullshit. And so all of a sudden, now I'm like, all right, this is the one. Now you have the target on your back. Right. And so, yeah, it started with me, and he very much like,

um, once my mom passed, it was like, got a new girlfriend, you know, get rid of mom's stuff, sell the house kind of thing. And like all kind of just like really, um, harsh things to do to kids who just lost their mom kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and so, yeah. And then, you know, I started like, so it, it gave me like the, uh,

the ammunition to like really start to be like calling him out on a shit. Yeah. And then we just started going at. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, I'm glad that's great. That's, that's great. Like to hear that you, you got out of it and you've been out for nine years. Wow. I mean, I've never for a while. It's so awesome. Yeah. I just did.

So I would go back and do like family things for holidays. And then I was dating that guy in Atlanta. And I'd usually do family stuff with him over the holidays. But I just did like Thanksgiving in L.A. with friends. And it was so fun. Yeah.

Yeah. Went to the movies, went to another friend's house of their family that I'm good friends with and like kind of bopped around to other people's things. I thought it was going to be a sad day. It's maybe one of my most favorite Thanksgivings I've ever had. Yeah. Yeah. My first Christmas without my parents because Christmas was such a big deal in my house and it's my mom's birthday. Yeah.

I went home and it was just me and my dog in my apartment on 34th Street. And I was expecting to be sad, but I'm like, this is incredible. I just had my dog open like 27 presents for him. It's great. But like, yeah, I'm like, this is like you're – it's like the first time you go away to college and you're like, I can do whatever I want. Like it's this massive sense of freedom bigger than anything I've ever experienced before. And then you like start to create –

the holiday traditions or doing whatever or being around the people you actually want to be around instead of who you feel obligated to be around. That's sick. Yeah. But the rage still lingers in you because I, the rage still lingers in me and it's. Yeah, it does. I'm, I get it. I know it's bad, but I'm also kind of like in this weird like area of my life where I'm like, I don't, I don't know if I'm like wanting to get rid of it. Yeah.

I get that. Yeah. Well, it's, it's, yeah, it's, it's, yeah, it makes you feel alive. I mean, it's when you do things that are unproductive, it sucks, but when you can channel it and like, like make good art or like a good bit out of it. Oh my God. It's that's like an orgasm. Yeah, I think so. I'm like, I think I don't, I don't want to lose the fire. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, don't lose that fire. Never lose that fire. Okay.

I get, yeah, I, um, maybe one day. I mean, I, I don't, I, I go to, I haven't been to therapy in a minute. I, when I go to therapy though, I try and tell my therapist like about my rage. And I, I think just like coming off like a face to face interaction, nobody, everyone's always like, no, you're fine.

And I'm like, I'm trying to tell you I'm not. Yeah. And they're like, have you told them the incidents? Yeah. I also think there's a lot of bad therapists out there. There's like a lot of people who just are like, well, if I just listen, I'm

that I'm doing the job of a therapist and I'm like you can know on paper what to do and still not be able to execute it in a way that is helpful to other people right yeah so I just there's too many people that are therapists and yeah I feel like I feel like during COVID like it the job like expanded so much that a lot of people who shouldn't have slipped through the cracks and gotten a license got a license and we're kind of seeing the effects of that now for people who are clients of those people

Yeah. And then, and I'm one of them cause I will not, I will not pay above $12 an hour. 12. Was this that with insurance? Oh yeah. Yeah. But pretty much. Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. Is it through like one of the like app things or I've done apps. I've done like, here's, here's where I go wrong. I'll find a, a program that does a, um,

like an assisted pay. Okay. Kind of situation. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. If you need whatever, like a sliding scale kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it's just like, you're setting yourself up for failure. Right. So, I mean, pay for the therapist or pay for an energy healer or something. Yeah. Get some Reiki, baby. Pull.

Pull a tarot card. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Dude, I did a tarot card reading recently though and it was kind of like future predicting and I swear it all came. Nice. Like very specific things came to fruition. That's cool. Yeah, we've had, Corinne and I are very into tarot. We pull tarot for ourselves all the time and I've gotten readings that have like blown me away. I'm like, okay.

Right. Let's go. Yeah. And like it kind of fell into place how it said it was going to. Yeah. I was into it for a while. I got to say I'm off of it. And now it's. The election kind of fucked with it. Why? There was just a couple things, a couple big things that were like really predicted that did not like in both in like the world and personal life. And I was like, I just don't know if I can believe this anymore. And then people, you know, people who are very into terrible say it's kind of like your ego getting in the way, which is it's very hard to read for yourself. But also. Yeah.

know I'm just I'm just I'm I'm I'm off of it right now you didn't just figure out a way to spin it in another way that made it seem true I can't I can't do that I'm like I'm like obsessed with the pursuit of truth it's like a problem so I can't I can't even lie to myself it's so awesome it's not it's like I would I literally wish I could lie to myself I think it would be really really helpful I but I can't I just I don't know yeah you tried

Like telling myself, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And you're like, eh, bullshit. It's just not – no. Yeah. I want the truth even if it hurts. That's good. I mean – Yeah, because then you're not living in a delusional world. You can take it a little too far. Sometimes you get more information than you really need. Yeah. Yeah, that sucks. And then you're like, I mean, we didn't – maybe we could do a white lie here and there. Right. Maybe we could stop now. Right, right, right. God, we truly are a different species. Oh my god.

This has been great. Is there any last topics you want to touch on? Anything aching that you're like, I want to get this? I don't know. I don't think so. Okay. Are you seeing anybody now? Are you dating? Dating? I want to just bebop around and I'm failing miserably. Are you exclusive with somebody? Is it the scooter guy? Oh, no.

Is it the security guard with the bald hair? Well, because you said you were dating a younger guy and the scooter guy reeked of someone selling his 20s. What if I pulled out a fingerless glove? It's this. It was the security guard. That would be the ultimate callback. We got together. And you win callbacks. A little pearl falls off of it. And I go, am I dating anybody? In what way? Yeah. In what way do you mean? I am...

It's like I'm a foster failure every time. That's hilarious. I'm like, oh, I'm just going to be with this guy to have fun and F around. That's really funny. And it's always a failure. I always take them in. No, I guess I'm like...

It's nothing like official at all. But I can't like not hook on to somebody. I'm very bad about like keeping it casual. I think I'm like all in or nothing. Yeah. Is that called codependent? No, it's called you don't do cash. Yes. You don't do casual. I don't do cash. Yeah. I've tried. Sometimes I can do it, but it depends on like the state, what phase I'm in in my life, you know? But does the guy you're seeing know that you – no.

No, no. Like sometimes you're not being able to do cash is fine as long as the other person also can't do cash. But like if you're not doing cash and he's doing cash, that's a recipe for disaster. I would love if he was doing cash, too. Oh, so he's not. But I'm...

Look at this. You know? I mean, how could you not? Look at this. How could you not? You know? That looks good. Thank you. Thank you. No, this one is like, it's a swing from the last guy though. Like I'll always like swing. Like this is a, it's a comic. You're like America with presidents. We had Barack. Right. And then we had Tumpy Tump right after we had the pendulum had a swing. Wow. You're so right. I date presidentially. Yes. Yeah. I love that.

that. Two steps forward, two steps back. Always. Bing bong boom. Yeah. It's a hoedown. It's a hoedown for Catherine. That's good. I love that. Yeah. Well, the next guy I date will probably be a senator. Okay. Yeah. It's going to go from comic to senator. Nice. How much younger are you going? Right now? Yeah.

Three years? Oh, I like that. I was like, I did 12. I was like, 12 years younger? Yeah, I was like, I was like, hit me. I was like, what are we gonna say? Yeah. Three feels significant. That's so funny. When you're a girl, yeah. I know. I've never dated anybody my age. As for a girl dating three years, it's like the body count lie or whatever. Yeah. You know, they say like a girl lies, whatever. It's like,

So a girl dating a guy younger, it feels like double the age. Right. You know what I mean? If he's three years younger... Double the difference. Is he 30 yet, though? Or when's the birthday? Is he 29 or 30? He's 30. Okay. But like a guy dating... A girl dating an older guy, if he's 12 years older...

You feel like you're on almost the same playing field. Yeah. Like, I don't know what. Yeah. But at a certain point, don't you go, what the fuck is wrong with this guy? Because that's what I finally started saying to myself, which made me move in the other direction. Because there was this crusty man. But I also 100% agree with you because I was dating men 15 years older than me. And I felt like we're just having the same realizations in life. And then I go, so there's something wrong with you. Yeah.

And they got to hold their phone far away from their face to look at it. I was just like, I was like, this, what? Get your life together. Yeah, you're going, there's something wrong with me that you're meeting me right now. You should be light years ahead of me right now. Exactly. I should be learning things. You want a partner that inspires you and that, you know, can teach you new things that you don't know and all that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Very much so. But the young is fun. They've got a lot of heart.

That's what I hear. A lot of energy. A lot of, so much energy. Yeah. I mean, good God, the meditation at 8am. I'm like, knock it off. That's so funny that you said that because they literally love a meditation. Oh, do young guys meditate? Oh my God. That's amazing. They love it. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. It's good. I'm happy. I think it's nice. You gotta get quiet time so you can figure out how you feel. Exactly. And that's why they don't need emojis. So no phone looking through.

No, no, I probably, and it feels better, right? I'll never do it again. Yes. Cause it's like, I'm just going to trust you. Trust is a choice. Obviously you, you gauge as you go, like it, and it ebbs and flows, but like, I'm just going to choose to trust you because you haven't given me a reason not to. And then I, that one of my mantras is whatever I need to know is revealed to me.

That's how I look. And it's like, oh, thank God. And that's feminine energy too. It's like, if I need to know something, it will be revealed. I'm not going to go hunting for it and go like, ooh. It's revealed when you open the door and your boyfriend's fucking someone up. And that's revealed to you. You just want to walk in your home. He's in another girl's puss. That's a girl's reveal for us. We're just like, oh, we're just like walking around being kind and then just something terrible happens. You're like, thank you.

but it was revealed. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. That's what I want. I want to catch him in the act. Yeah. Not, not in the phone, right? In the screen. Yeah. Goal in the bed. Matter of fact, hashtag 2025. And you have a special out. So what can we, where can we see you? Where can we watch you? We've got road gigs. What do you want to promote? Um, special comes out December 5th. I don't know when this will be out. So it'd probably already be out. It's on YouTube. Catholic cow girl. There's a horse statue on stage. Great. Um,

Very Renaissance. Yeah, it is. It was literally, I taped it in Houston. So it's a Renaissance. Oh, I taped it the day she released Cowboy Carter. Oh my God. Was that on purpose? Well, no, it was a drop. I'm a bit obsessed with her. Me too. I have a Beyonce tattoo. It's fucking. She's like, I talked about in the beginning of the special and then I ended up having to take it out because I was like, I'm going to date this.

If I, if I, um, and then like, who's going to be, how many people know that much about Beyonce? Um, so yeah, for Christina. Yeah. It's just, she, I was in her, I was in the Renaissance film.

You are not. Not by choice. She picked my friend Donna and I. We went to her concert, the Renaissance tour in New Jersey. And I was on this couch when I got the DM that said, holy fuck, Christina. And I already got tickets to the Renaissance movie with Donna months in advance. You are in the film for like a solid 10 seconds. After which she thanks her mom and her dad.

It's me crying with you. You're in the crowd? Yeah. She thinks her mom or dad and Christina. Yeah. Thanks to mom and dad. What show was that? This tag too says WWBD for what would Beyonce do? I'm obsessed. That's beautiful. Corinne. I had Corinne find her childhood home when we were touring in Houston. Just a creepy thing.

Because I couldn't fucking find it. And so she found it and I sat in front of it and cried. I'll find anything. I'll find anyone's home. It's a guarantee. Really? It really is. It's a promise. It's a promise. You know who you are. It's a fucking promise. I just like to scare people. Can't hide from me. And we'll tell your mom what you did. Yeah. I'm not in this one at all. This is it.

And we'll tell your mom what you did. Okay, so nods to Beyonce. Special coming out. And then I'm all over the world. And I'm on Instagram at it's Catherine Blainford. Beautiful. Thank you so much. Thanks for coming and chatting with us. Thanks for having me. Of course. This has been Guys We Fucked, the anti-slut shaming podcast. We'll talk to you next Friday.

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