YOU TOOK YOUR R*PIST TO COURT? ft. Dash Katz
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Hello, people of Earth. What a time to be alive, huh? How you doing? You okay? You good? Welcome to another lovely episode of Guys We... Uh-oh. It's the Anti-Slut Chimney Podcast. I'm Corinne Fisher. I'm Christina Hutchinson. Welcome to the show. If you want to send us an email at sorryaboutlastnightshow at gmail.com, make sure to make that subject line specific. This week, we got, why is my town kissing the ass of a sexual predator? Why is my town kissing the ass of a sexual predator?

Because look around. This world doesn't like women.

I'm unfortunately getting to realize that. Long-time listener, first-time writer, love y'all. My city has become more of a part of the film television scene in recent years. A few weeks ago, I noticed on Instagram that a famous person was spotted at a local restaurant. My reaction upon seeing someone enthusiastically post, look who came to eat at our restaurant, was, ew, didn't we cancel that guy? He was called out during the Me Too movement, though was demonstrating problematic behavior reported in the news prior to that.

He allegedly Chad tried to meet up with minors. He met on the internet and also faced multiple accusations of sexual assault. He was never found guilty of anything. To my knowledge, there were court settlements and presumably NDAs signed and

Mm-hmm.

I then said that I believe people deserve a chance at redemption, but I'm unsure he's done anything to redeem himself. Yesterday, another man told me he might get a small speaking role in a movie that this celebrity is starring in, producing whatever the fuck he's doing here. My initial feeling again was, gross dude, that guy sucks. But I kept it to myself. As you already are well aware, cancel culture is extremely problematic. Having said that, if this person did the things he's accused of...

Why are, quote, nice people in my community posing in and posting pics with him at the local film fundraiser? Maybe they don't know. His accusations didn't get as much attention as some Me Too people did, but it was enough to upend the trajectory of his career.

Um, if, uh, as he's come up in conversation twice this weekend, I feel it unsafe to assume this guy is not going away anytime soon. And I will be presented with people speaking to me about him in the future. I wonder if you have any advice or, uh, on how to handle this as a topic of conversation. Um,

P.S.

Of course, you want to know who it is. And of course, you shouldn't say his name on your podcast, PPS, and then it's the name of the celebrity. But I don't understand why we shouldn't say it. I want to say it. It's James Franco. It's James Franco. I don't understand why we... Everybody knows he got me tuned. No one's going to identify you specifically. You know what, though? I actually... I was curious to know who it was because...

This is a thing that I've noticed over the past couple years. Because of the internet-based world we live in, we're all really in a bubble and we think that everyone knows the same things we do and they really don't and it's a huge problem. I know. And so I co-host this podcast. I forgot James Franco got Me Too. I did too. I had no idea. So you have this whole monologue going on in your head about how bad the people in your town are. I quite frankly don't think they know. I didn't remember. Yeah.

I actually don't I actually also don't remember the worst ones I also don't think I would even not that he's not good I barely remember what James Franco looks like to be honest so I don't even know what he looks like I don't even know if I would recognize him I also wouldn't care if I'm like he's not necessarily I would be excited about but like um yeah I kind of yeah like okay so I do know what he looks like I'm like I would know it was him I just haven't thought about him in a long time I feel like he's kind of like he taught a class in NYU and I'm like this was

I think it was after he got the Me Too stuff came out on him because he was trying to fuck minors. Yeah, because... And I'm like, nah, don't make him a professor at NYU. I totally did not remember that he was trying to fuck minors. Because unfortunately, there are so many people who were trying to fuck minors. And there always will be. And also, he's like kind of not... He used to be really famous and now he's not...

very famous anymore. He admitted to having sex with students from his acting school almost four years after sexual misconduct allegations. The 43-year-old agreed to pay $2.2 million in July after being sued for engaging in sexually charged behavior for teenage students. But that doesn't mean they were minors. They would say minors if it was minors. That seems like a power play. Don't worry. All the allegations against James Franco. Yeah. He needs a shower. Um...

April 2014, Franco was caught trying to get a teen to come to his hotel room. So it's 17 years. So it's age of consent. If he was 35, she was 17. This is an age of consent issue again. Yeah. Because 17 in a lot of places is age of consent. Again, I'm not saying this is like good. It's not great. Basically, more than anything, it's like just...

Yucky because what's there? I do believe that something has to be wrong in your head if you're 35 and you want to fuck a 17 year old. That's just not normal. Yeah. 17 year old. It's gross. Look like like it's not like yuck. Yeah. That being said, yeah, we host this podcast and we forgot about it. So I think you have to realize, number one.

how short people's like attention spans for stuff like this is. I mean, a perfect example is Andrew Cuomo. Three and a half years ago, every he had a 70 plus percent disapproval rating was accused of sexually assaulting, harassing, misconduct, all these people. And now he's pulling up 40% to become the next mayor of New York City. So like people are finicky. And they forget our memories are very short. Right.

This country doesn't fucking like women, so it doesn't matter if you're a sexual predator, really, unless you're a Harvey Weinstein type or a Jeffrey Epstein type. And then three, motherfuckers, people are obsessed with celebrity. I'm assuming you're in a small town. A small town plus a celebrity? Yeah.

of course people are going to freak out plus the memory plus like everybody's short-term memory yeah and it's a small business a lot of factors going at the end of the day we live in a capitalist nation small businesses are not doing well right now if this if this person who owns this restaurant thinks that like james franco going to the restaurant can bring them more business like i wouldn't do it but i don't think he's like the worst person in the world for doing it honestly i don't need

Because of how everything works at this moment in time, it makes sense. And it sucks. It doesn't mean it doesn't suck. I feel like every day, truly every day that goes by, I am more... I'm getting...

More not comfortable, but I'm just accepting more the fact that like we live in a world that just I have conversations about it almost every day does not like women. We they those world wants to fuck women and sexualize women, but not give them rights and not allow them autonomy over their bodies. And it's just every day I get presented with examples that is that are proof of that. And it's I don't I don't know, man. It's tough personally for me to deal with. But what are you going to do?

What do you do? I mean, well, like when some when you when like how how do you handle the bad news of our society or bad these bad facets of our society? Yes. Like there's things we can do. Right. These and these little things, these little tiny pivots, I think, are actually pretty big and meaningful. But on a bigger scale, like it's it's just a it is getting trickier to be disheartened.

To not be disheartened, rather. Yeah, I mean, I would say, like, you can be disheartened, just don't become apathetic, because apathetic is where they want you, because that's where you're the most malleable. Because when you just don't care, then anything can go on right under your nose. Yeah. And I see a lot of apathy. But I also think, like, you know, the, you know, liberals kind of...

I don't know. I don't want to say like protesting and stuff doesn't work. I do believe it does. I don't know right now the way that like the left does it, that it does work. Cause we like try to get a bunch of things together, you know, and it's not really like working out in our favor. I mean, I think it has to be like a little bit more of a business strategy where we, you know, lift people into positions of power and,

as opposed to like protesting each little individual thing that happens along the way, because I think that it becomes distracting. I mean, and again, not to like say that's what you're doing, doing, but like, I just like, it's,

I wouldn't spend too much time being angry about this specific incident. So it speaks to a larger problem that we have. But don't become consumed in this James Franco incident because I think it's going to eat up your energy and your power that could be much better used in a different situation.

You know, obviously keep an eye on him if he's around 17 year olds. Yeah. Cause that's probably not good. Yeah. But, but other than that, it's like, and don't like, yeah. And, and, and I think most, the most importantly, what you're getting from this is like,

I understand that you're outraged and I love that you're paying attention. I really do. I think that it's great that you remembered that all the things that he did, but that being said, like don't hold it against all the people who took pictures with him, with him. Cause I just don't think they knew. I don't think they're bad people. I just think they're like living their own lives and they don't have time to read about everyone who is, you know, on, on the me too list. Also, thank you. A lot of people, a lot of people. I mean, we very, we often say on this show, if we,

If we were to never do a podcast interview or a stand-up show with a sexual predator or somebody who's been accused of sexual harassment or assault, there'd be no shows. Yeah, I can't keep up. I mean, I think it's just about making sure that the people that you spend time with are good people, in quotes, whatever that means. And again, it's hard because if you ask me,

Five years ago, did I believe that there was like good and bad people? I would say yes, a little bit more concretely. I don't really believe that anymore. I believe like that we have created this world where we are deciding who is good and who is bad. And like, I just don't follow that set of rules anymore. So I...

I don't really – I mean I've certainly – there are people who are leaning more bad than good. But I also think that a lot of the people who are making the decisions who is good or who is bad are they themselves not great people. And people who lift themselves up by saying, well, these people are bad and I am good.

This is the kind of relationship that I've been having with the left for a long time. And again, I'm not a Republican. Please, that's not what I'm saying. If anything, it's going to go full anarchist is where I'm headed. I'll join you. Yeah. And also, too, think of your energy and your attention as money in a bank account.

And like every day you have a certain amount of like energy and attention. And so if you look at it from there and take the emotion out, which is tricky to do when it's involving something like this, because especially as a woman, you're like far too familiar with it. And you're far too familiar with how everybody gets a pat. Oh, don't do that again. And then they get a fucking movie deal. You know, that's just how our society works. But it's like, okay.

The anger that you feel towards this incident, where can that be used even in a tiny way that nobody knows about or sees that would actually help the situation? Volunteering at a women's shelter or being there for your friend who's going through something who was assaulted or – you know what I mean? Like so there are ways –

There are ways that you could take this energy that you have towards a situation and go, well, the bigger picture of why I'm mad is the system here. So how can I take that energy and revert it to somewhere that would actually help the system even if it's one person in it?

There's something I wanted to – Virginia Guffrey, Ruby Rose had posted this. I thought it was pretty well said. This kind of speaks to my outrage over just how women are treated in the world. Virginia Guffrey, she was 41 years old. She committed suicide. In quotes. Yeah, I know. That was the first thing I thought. But she was in Australia, so I'm like – Yeah.

No, they get you anywhere. Wouldn't she have said everything that she could have said? She tweeted, I'm not going to kill myself. Oh, wow. FYI, if I end up dead. Like this woman didn't. This is Jeffrey Epstein and neither of them killed themselves. Her in this world is really tough. No, no, no.

I hate these systems. I hate this shit. I hate this shit. Yeah, it's not great. Are you making a lot of sounds over there? Sorry, I didn't mean to. Oh, I thought I was... Was it about Virginia? I didn't know what was happening over there. It was clear in my throat, but I was looking at this over the weekend. Right, because you saw... I was like, this is... There's no way she killed herself. You saw the post on... I didn't realize she tweeted that. Yeah, well, it was like... It was Twitter, right? It was something. It was a social media app.

Whatever. My boyfriend showed me yesterday. Because Daisy Coleman also took her own life and she was raped on a front yard and then bullied by her entire town in her school. Well, she really killed herself though. But I mean that ran into her family I believe. There's like a depression and – What I'm saying though is like when I – I didn't realize Virginia tweeted that. If anybody tweets that, I'm like, OK, 100%. OK. So now I know she didn't kill herself. I didn't know she tweeted that. Yeah.

But I originally kind of paired that suicide – well, it's not a suicide anymore. It's a murder – with Daisy Coleman's in terms of like just enduring trauma and abuse from this and then not being believed and then being made fun of and then realizing that the laws in where you live will never change. Well –

Anytime soon. That's kind of how I categorize that. So I actually am not going to read that caption that Ruby Rose read because it's not a suicide anymore. So fuck it. Yeah. Okay. That really sucks. I'm trying to find this for you. Yeah. Can you read it? Because I was like, Yahoo printed it for sure. Let me see. It was April 25th, 2025. I am making it publicly known that in no way, shape, or form am I suicidal. I have made this known to my therapist and GP if something happens to me in the sake of

In the sake of my family do not let this go away and help me protect them too many evil people want to see me quieted Wait, so why did her fucking family say she killed herself if that was what she tweeted? They're probably getting threatened to do with the whole family dead. She's already dead I want to be abducted by aliens again. You can't have the whole family be dead I didn't want to be abducted by aliens for like three months and that was a really big deal I want to be abducted. What made you not want to be abducted by I feel excited about your fucking campaign. I

Oh, I mean, I think they only take you for a little bit. Yeah, they just take you for like a joy ride. Yeah, I think you're back by morning. Hopefully. Travis, Travis, la, la, la, la, la, la.

And Keller Travis, it was a fairly famous case in the 70s. He was abducted in front of his friends. That's why it was such a famous case. And he was gone for five days and he was dropped back in the woods five days later and thought no time had passed. All right. So maybe he just abducted me for a couple of days then. That's interesting. I do like that when I joined the podcast, you were going back and forth like, do I want to have a kid? Do I not want to have a kid? And now you're going back and forth. Do I want to be abducted? Do I not want to be abducted? Yeah.

I think they were both kind of always on the table. To be abducted or to have a kid? I don't know. I definitely don't want kids. Definitely don't want kids. So it's definitely today. Today, April 28th. It's definitely no. It's a definite no for me, dog. But the alien thing, just, yeah. I mean, I'm working on a project that I'm very excited about, so that's really cool. But I just really...

so often I've said to myself, and it's in moments where I feel like a victim and that I'm just, I'm, I, I'm too sensitive for this fucking world. And it's not anything against any, any of it, but like, it's just really hard to take like the shit, like the, she didn't fucking kill herself and then she's dead. And then the news is just saying she killed herself. That would keep me up at night. If I didn't compartmentalize it so fucking deeply. I mean, quite honestly, it should keep you up at night.

Like, what is this life, man? Like, what is it? You are the one who's done the most research about that. And you said, like, this is the bad part. Yeah, it is. I'll say. Yeah.

I've been trying to tell everyone for years and yet again no one was listening to me. I said, this isn't fun. Yeah, I mean there's pockets of fun for sure and you have to work really hard to create those pockets of fun and enjoyment for yourself and inner peace and joy. But in order to do that, you really have to disconnect and fucking –

The amount of disassociation you have to have every day to feel fucking joy is insane. Well, why do you think, I mean like, you know, I am like kind of like pretty anti substances at this point. And like, so it's very hard for me like to do anything with people because like they're like, they want to drink, they want to smoke, like even like the constant vaping kind of annoys me. Like, but I get it. It's like all these things exist because life is so miserable. But like,

I, you know, but then it's like kind of the people drinking and vaping that are being like, no, it's not that bad. I'm like, you're literally making yourself disassociate right now. And I'm like, I'm completely sober. And I'm telling you, it's bad. It's bad. And it's to the point where like, I don't even, weed doesn't even do anything for me anymore. So I've kind of stopped like using it that much. Cause it's, I'm like,

Now this like when I like smoke a vape, I'm like, this also sucks now. Like that's how much I'm I'm too aware how much stuff sucks. And I mean, I think really the only thing that the two areas in my life that I'm like, oh, these are still like beautiful areas that I think for everybody. Friendships, being with friends, being being with friends and being supported by friends and talking to friends and texting with friends and art, making art. Those are the only two things we got.

Yeah, I mean, we love pets, obviously. Pets. And yeah, friends are interesting because like you'll see it's a little bit sad because you'll just kind of see some friends kind of like go on a different path. And you're like, I don't think that was the right path. Yeah. I know there's no wrong path, but there is. There are better paths. Yeah. Sometimes you gotta learn. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, it's just stuff. And then you think about like dating and you're like, oh my God, this is, I need, you know what I need? I need a crush. I need to fucking make a crush on somebody. Yeah. It's hard when you don't have like a classroom of people to totally choose from. Yeah. I need a crush in my life. And I certainly wouldn't. Is that a James Franco quote? That's very good, Eric.

That's very funny. Wait, is that a James Franco quote? No, it was just a joke he was making. Oh, I don't get it though. You said, yeah, I need a classroom of people. Oh, it was like a callback. Okay, sorry. My brain's not working in comedy speed right now. I apologize. Too quick for everyone.

That's what everyone says about you. Yeah. I'm so fast. Yep. That's what your girlfriend says. And your bones are not that un-creaky. Oh, my God. How are you doing, Karim? Oh, I'm, you know, great. What's up?

well what did i do last i you know i had a have some fun i went to uh i went to uh i don't think i can say because i don't think anyone's supposed to know he's married but i went to someone's uh wedding after party last night and that was nice i hadn't seen so many of my friends in like such a long time so i was like hey guys remember me it's nice that my friends still remember me that's good uh yeah that was fun i was like i also realized i hadn't listened to music in quite some time oh my gosh

Cause I don't like, I'm not someone who has music on all the time. Again, it's just like, I feel like it's just like, it's too much. I need to like do work and silence. So there's always like, you know, all this extra music, um,

when people always have music on, like I find it very hard to concentrate. Most people I know either always have like the TV on or music on, but I dead silence always. Yeah. And so I was like, let me listen to music this weekend. Good for you, girl. Yeah. And I actually put music, I mean, I clean my house, but yeah. Oh, cleaning. I had some music on and I also, yeah. Then I went to a wedding after party yesterday and there was like a lot of good music on.

That's nice. That was it. That's where I'm at. Just remembering music. You know what? Those are simple pleasures of life and music is the sound of the soul. So that's lovely. Yeah. Every time I'm like, oh man, I just wish I was born Stevie Nicks. Yeah. I would not do anything else.

What were you going to say, Eric? I was going to say, do you guys feel like social media is kind of ruining new music for you? Yeah, I think social media is ruining a lot of stuff. It's also making some stuff better, but it's ruining mostly. Music is supposed to be like... I always thought there was a big disconnect. I didn't really want to know the artists, and now I feel like I see them all the time. Oh, so personal. What you're saying means nothing anymore because there's not that air of...

Well, that's why Beyonce is the level of artist that she is because they specifically were like, get out of here. Stop doing interviews. I agree with you. We can't do this. But social media is not 100% responsible for this because I feel the same way about Alanis Morissette and it happened from me watching DVD extras. Yeah.

like you didn't want to know too much. Yeah. Cause she's kind of like silly and like her songs are so deep and I'm like, Oh, that's weird. I just didn't like the silliness. Yeah. And I was like, this is not, you know, and then, and then also to even things like finding out, um, you know, her most famous song is about, you know, getting fucked over by Dave. Cool. Yeah. You're like, Oh, that was a bummer.

He was kind of hot when he was young. No. But... You can't be Uncle Joey. Ranger Joe. Get the fuck out of here. You can't be Uncle Joey. Now, if it was John Samos, now we got a whole different conversation. Oh, my God. You know what? He's a really good drummer. Oh.

Oh, that's nice. Call me John. Oh, so he was actually in, so that band, oh, that made sense. Like they probably, because he actually was a real musician, wrote that into the full house storyline, not the other way around. Jesse and the whatever the fuck. Jesse and the Rippers. Yeah, there we go. Um, there we go. Oh man. Okay. Well, that's good. Yeah. No, I, I a hundred percent agree with you, Eric. Like I, we like,

I don't need to know so much about everyone. I don't need Eminem's thoughts on politics. It's like when you see a painting. I don't care about that. I actually do want to know Eminem's thoughts on politics, but that's because I have a niche interest in him. But it's like when you see a painting. The beauty about a painting, that type of art, is you put your own life experience into how you interpret and take in that piece of art. And I think that when you know too much about the artist making the song, you can't...

personalize the experience of the song anymore because they're who they are is just too big yes 100% yes that's exactly how I feel happy to help yeah like I hate when artists talk during a concert like a lot of the people like it but when they stop and talk to the audience I go no

I don't even know why. I go, no, if you were good at this, you would have been an author or a comedian. I just, I also hate when comedians sing during their act. So, wait, during their, oh, God. So I feel that, you know, yeah, this is fair. Stay in your lane. This is fair. That's the theme. Stay in your fucking lane. I go, mm, all this talking time seems like time when you could be singing, which is what we all paid for. Right.

I want you to narrate concerts. Please go to a concert as soon as they start talking. Go and get a refund. It's like, this is not what I paid for. You should bring one of those clappers that they have on a film set so the second they start talking to you, and cut. We don't need any of that shit. The only thing I like is a simple thank you and then if there's a little bit of a backstory about why they wrote that song, sure. That's interesting. That's pretty cool. As long as it's not about Dave Coulier.

Yeah, then just keep your trap shut. Alanis, to her credit, never talks to the audience. I think she's speaking of disassociating. She ain't on those pills anymore. She got to use her brain. Yeah, I think she's like, I'm out. I am out. I got a girl. Cool. Cool, cool, cool. Oh, what's up with you? Hmm.

I'm trying to decide if I want to now I'll just share with you personally. Oh, about the Laurel and Jackson thing. Oh, okay. Yeah. I mean, I'll say like I got, I went to a 90 person reading with her as I do. I tend, I have attended many. Yeah. Just, and this, you know what, the, what we were talking about at the top of this episode with the email from that woman who's like, why the fuck doesn't anybody care? And the discussion of like, yeah, my fuck is short memory. Don't care about women. Didn't see it in the news. Like all these reasons are depressing. Um,

And I think one of the main reasons I get so joyfully invested in exploring the afterlife and the alien thing is because...

There's hope there. Is that? Yeah, I guess so. There's there's it's it's so exciting to me. It's so like the possibility there's possibilities there. Yeah, that's what I'm looking for. Yeah. It's so much information that I don't know that I'm just like totally taking in. So, yeah, I talk a lot about Laurel and Jackson on the podcast because I just think she's a she's a medium person.

A psychic medium, very reputable. She's one of the real ones. They are not all real. And she's written books that I highly recommend you read. But I attended one of her readings on Friday at night, and she read me. And it was really –

It was one of those like core memories. It was a life changing moment. And it's, and it, and a, and a lot of it was stuff I knew. So that it wasn't like I was getting presented with more information and it wasn't anything that I have not, my logical mind didn't know, but it was, uh, it was like, I got a healing. Like I, I, I described like when she talks to these parents of, of children who died tragically and very young,

And she's able – the words that she says, the message she delivers to these parents that are just in an unimaginable place of grief, you physically see their face change after they get these messages. So to me, I'm like that is like the most direct, potent, instant form of healing I have ever witnessed. So like yeah, I kind of got that, which is really cool. But I'll play the audio for you, Corinne.

Oh, there's audio. I recorded the whole thing. It was, it was really fucking cool. And, uh, one of the, one of the first things I was talking to Donna while we were in line, we were the first in line to go into the room. Was it in the city or no, it was in long Island. So it was just, it wasn't far off, like, like a, like 20 miles outside of the city. Um, uh,

we were talking, me and Donna and Donna's aunt were there. We're like, what do you want to hear from her? And I just told Donna, I'm like, I don't know. Cause I've been to so many of these readings and I always sit front row. So I'm like, not as an ego thing. I just, I just, for some reason I wanted her to say like, have I seen you before? Like, do you come to these a lot? Um,

She knows you. She follows you on Instagram. Yeah, but she follows a lot of people on Instagram. So it's not like... You know, I didn't... But that is the first thing she said to me. What? She said, I know you. She's like, have you been to three of these before? Or a bunch of these? And I'm like, I've never read you. I'm like, yeah. I'm like, oh, that's cool. So yeah, I...

I need to follow the joy wherever it is. And it's just, it's the only place that it is currently is music, the sunshine and ghosts. Okay. Yeah. So whatever. Those are not three, not bad ones. Yeah. No, it's pretty good. Speaking of pretty good, today's guest, he's just an all around fascinating person. I met this guest on New Year's Eve.

at a New Year's Eve party at a music show at the Olive Tree Cafe. And I bonded with him right away. And I didn't even know what he did, but I was like, do you want to be on the podcast? You're fantastic. And our interview with him was great. I loved this conversation. He is an influencer. He's a host. You could see him on Squid Game's The Challenge. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the show Dash Katz. ♪♪♪

All right, guys, we are here with Dash Katz. I'm so excited to have you. I'm so happy to be here. Thank you for having me. So I'll tell the listeners how we met. It was New Year's Eve at the Comedy Cellar at Olive Tree Cafe. My boyfriend Colin is part of this band called the Olive Tree Madmen that they play every Monday. They're very good. And they're very good at singing.

Amazing. And I remember it was New Year's Eve, so everybody was drinking. It was so much fun. I love – that was my second New Year's in a row there. And it was just great. And then we were outside and I met you. And your energy is just unlike anyone I've ever met. And in New York City, that's a pretty tough – that's a tough bar to pass. A tough gig. And we were all – you kept saying like, wait, is your boyfriend the hot one? And I was like, yeah, he's the hot one. Like he's so hot.

And we just got along and your friend who has known you since you were children, you had the cutest friendship. And it was so nice to see two men be like friends that like he loves you. I know. It was like a romantic friendship. Like I love those types of friendships.

And so he was saying that you would be a great guest on the show. And you were making me laugh so hard. I was like, get the fuck over here, Dash. Let's go. He has my back. That's a good... That's an ally. Yes. Truly. Yeah. We go way back. In fifth grade, he was my Captain Hook and I was Peter Pan in the play. Amazing. You know, that's a good...

He's a good friend. Yeah, he was great. I love him. And so, yeah, so you sent me some talking points that I just received that are amazing. So I figured let's just jump right into it. Let's do it. I'm happy to be here. I love y'all's work. Thank you. Yes. Foreskin Gate. Oh, God. Oh, God.

Yeah, that's a good, that's a strong start. I love a gate. Any gate is like scandalous, juicy. We want it. Right? Yeah. I love a gate. Do you have foreskin? I don't. I'm cut. Okay. But that doesn't mean I don't have a story about it. Right, right, right. Okay. Do tell. Pray tell. You want to hear the story? We do, yes. We would love to.

So I just want to start this off by saying that all dicks matter. Yes. You know, like we appreciate, we love all the dicks. Love penises. Sizes, colors, shapes, foreskin, no foreskin. They're all gorgeous in their own way, you know? With that being said. Okay, so it was maybe like my second date ever with a guy, right? And maybe like...

Okay. At the time. And it was through Grindr. Okay. Red flag number one. Yeah. I didn't know guys went on dates in Grindr. I thought you just went over at Judd's house and fucked and said, just open the door. I'm not going to answer it. Exactly. I was delusional. But yeah, I know. Romance, right? I wish women, straight women had the luxury of that, but you know, murder. They need to do a Grindr for straight people, but like, I'm also concerned for the women. It's called Tinder and women get murdered on it. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. So second date off a grinder. Yeah. Well, it was our first date, right? Yeah. Your second date. So he like bought me pizza. So like, that's like, Oh no. Oh my goodness. Okay. See, I was, I was loving it. Are you engaged? I love pizza. So I'm like, you're already halfway in my pants. Yeah. Yeah. You know, like pizza, you know, and he's like from like, he's like foreign. Okay. So those are already like two check, check. This is going great. Yeah.

So, you know, after that, we like go to Times Square. We're like making out in Times Square. He's like, do you want to come back to my hotel? I'm like, fuck, yeah. Yeah. Why not? He's like, the thing is my mom's thing. Okay. Mormonism is going on. What kind of porn category is this? Yeah. He's like, so, but we can sneak past my mom and like have fun in the bathroom.

Is she awake? Okay. So I'm like, no, she's sleeping. So he wants to literally sneak past the mom. Oh, wow. And I do it.

Was she snoring? Fully knocked out, snoring, drool. Wow. I sneak past the mom because, you know, he had bought me pizza and he's foreign. So I was like, let me, you know, give him some. And also there's an element of sneaking when you're like going to make out or have sex or whatever, hook up for the first time. It's like, it does, there's an excitement to that. Yeah. It was like a little scandal. I love a good scandal. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Juicy. So next thing you know, we're literally sneaking past the mom.

Doop, doop, doop, doop. Go into the bathroom. We're making out, right? It's like starting to get hot and heavy. I take down his pants.

He had already come. Like, like, like, like the underwear. It was like a soup. Oh, oh, yeah. It wasn't like it wasn't hot. Oh, no. I was it was hot that I was like, I was impressed with myself. I was like, wow. Still got it. Never lost it. Exactly. I was like, wow, like, I must be really hot. So anyway, he's like, don't worry. It's just the first time. It's just the first time.

time. That's what he kept saying. That could be creepy or exciting. I don't know which one. Wow. I was so confused. I was like, okay. Like work. Cause I'm one of those girls. Like if I am finishing, I want to go to bed. Yeah. I'm like nuts pillow. Time for nap. Yeah, exactly. But he apparently like had another load on the way. His refractory period is pretty good. Okay. Yeah. Impressive. Right. He was right. Like there was a second load. Okay. Um,

I see. But this is where the soup soup is a lot. That was the appetizer. That's like a like a ladle. Like when the underwear like was lifted, it was like you could see the spider web. Like, yes. Like, you know, those cheese poles. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's what it reminded me. Yeah, totally. Totally.

So anyway, I'm still like, you know, he bought me pizza. Like, you know, like, like, let's just like see where this goes. Yeah. So after the second load, he is like, look what I can do. Mind you, he had a boner still. Wow. And he's uncut, which like, I don't care. As I said, all dicks matter. You can't tell if they're erect too. It depends on the dick. Oh, really? Some, there's like the extra.

extra skin that like you can really tell but it makes like a kangaroo pouch yes like a full pouch which like can make sexual acts actually really easy oh how so because it's like extra padding okay you know and it's like yeah it makes some fun stuff you could do yeah exactly oh my god whoo um my mom's in heaven right now like dash you are a whore that's my baby yeah it's okay she loves comedy right

So I know it's taking a really long time to get to the climax. That's okay. No pun intended. I love the climb. Yeah. Unlike him. Yeah. So he's like, look what I can do. And this is when foreskin gate occurs. He has to pee. So there's just a lot of fluid in this man. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. With a boner. He stands above the toilet. He pulls his foreskin up. Literally, it's like splintered.

the foreskin down. The foreskin is now like an L shape off his dick. What? Oh, it's like extra. Oh. Of his erected? It's literally the dick pulls the foreskin forward, pulls it down. And now the skin is pointing down. Whoa. And he starts peeing. Okay. And literally the piece. It is a faucet. It's ricocheting down. It's like.

peeing in front of me. Oh, wow. Yeah, which was so... You didn't like that? It was disturbing. Yeah, I mean, that's a... When your foreskin goes beyond your erect penis...

And you're peeing. I'm not one of the piss play girlies. I don't kink sham. But it's like, you know, before getting into this moment. But yeah, that was very disturbing. So that's horse skin gate for you. Was he looking at you like a little proud kid? That's like, mommy! Exactly. He's so excited to be showing this talent off. Oh my god.

But baby girl, I did not want to see this. Yeah. So did you get a second load or no? You just kind of exited. Oh, no. The second load came before. And then the P was third. Then the P and then I was done. Oh, wow. Oh, okay. And I know I should have been done long before that. Oh. But sometimes you're like, this is going to be a shit show and I want to have a front receipt to it. You can't look away. It involves me participating in the shit show.

It's true. I'm someone who gets bored easily. So I'm like, you know, if you're batshit, I'm like, okay. What do we got here? At least I'm entertained. Yeah, honestly. That is an issue, though. That's gotten me into many predicaments. Right? Because you stick around for the batshit ones because they're entertaining. Yeah, yeah. And it's especially like you already got this far, you know? So it's like, and then you had to sneak back out of the hotel room to not disturb his mother. Yeah, it's like the most sad walk of shame. Wow, right. It's like you've just been...

prematurely souped on. Yeah. He watched a man make his dick into a faucet. Yes. That's wild. And pee out of it. And now I'm walking past a drooling, snoring mother. Wow. Yeah. It also feels like if he was that like into doing it, it can't be the first time he's shared a hotel with his mother and brought someone back to the bathroom. That was the vibe. It was like, it was like, you've done this and you're prouder.

Yeah, he was probably, well, also too, if he's from another country, I don't know how that country feels about gay activities, but in New York, it's like, be gay. Like be as gay as you want to be here. And so maybe he felt so free that he was like,

I'm going to show this guy my faucet trick because I can't do that back home. I don't know. Yeah. I mean, that's a magic trick. Abracadabra. Hey, Lady Gaga. It's a new hit. She's back in her goth era. My paws are up. So your second bullet point. Oh God. Being a feminine bisexual. Yes. So you're bisexual. I am, which always shocks everyone. I wouldn't have guessed that. I know because I come off like a flaming homosexual. Yeah. I love my sisters. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, but,

Yeah. It's like I'm a very – That's kind of fun. It is. It is. Fun fact. Because I feel like women – like women – there's this comfort that like a man who seemingly comes off as like very gay, there's a comfort there of like safety, right? But then taking that to another level of –

But wait, you would want to fuck. That's a totally different like world. That's like – I love – yeah. I've never even thought of that. I've never talked about it like on a podcast or on any of my socials. No, because I like literally get laughed at when I tell people or like they don't believe me. Oh, that's annoying. And it's like weird. Well, you wouldn't say it if it wasn't true. Yeah. It's just like – yeah, exactly. Like trust me. I'm already getting the homophobic hate. You know? Yeah. But it's like I –

Wait, where was I going with this? But how would you say like everybody's sexuality is ciphered in their own unique way, right? So it's like some people are bisexual and they're like, I will date men, but I'll only like fuck women or vice versa. You know what I mean? So how does yours cipher? Okay. So love that question. So the thing about it is like I think it's important to talk about because number one, femininity versus masculinity and sexuality are separate. Yeah. You know? Very. And that's why like butch –

Lesbians exist. Yo, butch lesbians, I'm like a giddy around them. No, same. I get like nervous. And I'm like, I know you're not into me, but I'm like, but I kind of could pass. Like, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I don't know. A dynamic's a dynamic. I always thought, like, I feel like every one of us had in middle school the student who was, you're like, I don't know if you're a guy. I don't know if you're a girl. I just know you're very attractive. Yes. And whatever you are, I am attracted to that. I'm very into the androgyny. Yeah, that works. Androgyny's so hot. So, like, you know, obviously we're very conditioned in a heteronormative world. So, like, growing up, like,

Oh, because of how you were raised? Yeah.

Or the world you were raised in rather. Well, I definitely was told from a very young age that like you're either one or the other. Okay. Which just kind of like confused me. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Because it was like I like and like my first love was a woman. Oh. And talk about an ally. When I came out to her, we fucked. Whoa. That is an ally. Yeah.

Ally for life. Now, did you say I'm gay or did you say I'm bisexual? I told her I'm bi. Okay. No, did she? So, yeah. Yeah. So where I lie though, like I usually am like more sexual and dating with men at this point in my life. I think part of that is because I come off so gay. So women usually, but with women, I'm, I'm only into people who are into me. Of course. So most women are not going to be into a like seeming. I don't know. New York, you'd be surprised. Have you two hit on women? No.

Oh, well, I've had plenty of fun with women. And I've joined in like hetero couples. Oh, that's probably very fun. Oh, it's my favorite. Are you on Field? I love Field. So I'm like a unicorn, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Love the unicorn era. And I have a great story, which is in the bullet points. Oh, perfect. We haven't gotten to that. About one of my unicorn escapades, right? Oh, great.

So yeah, like if a girl is bisexual or like open-minded or just like sexually empowered, those are the girls that I'm more into because then I feel safe. I feel like I can be myself and still be attractive to you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know? So that's usually the kind of girl that I'm into. But my ex, who I was with on and off for four years, was straight. Yeah. And she was just the best. I love her. Wow. And you guys are still friends? She's dead. Oh.

I know. Why do you have a lot of death in your life? You're like Corinne. I'm surrounded by death. Literally, it's... Wow. I know. And my mom just passed in November. I know. We were talking about that on New Year's. I know. I'm like, oh, it's your... You know, all your firsts without your parent, I imagine. Oh, it's the worst. Corinne lost her father not that long ago. I'm so sorry. A lot of my friends are losing their parents. We're the goth girlies. Yeah. Yeah, very goth. It's dark. Like...

And I'm so proud of you for like going after your dreams, having this fucking iconic pockets running for mayor. Thank you. Icon like even dealing with the grief, even dealing with the mourning because it's hard. And I know you know. It's like sometimes it can feel like you're just like doing the motions but you're not actually fully there because you're like processing so much. Yeah. It's very fresh for you. So you're – yeah. It's interesting. And this is the first –

time you lost a parent? Yes. My dad is here. He is here. And he's also an ally of

Oh, good. Yeah, he's so cute. Good. Oh, a cute dad. Oh, he's like the cutest. I love him. Oh, I love like poetic dads. Corinne had a very like poetic dad. And I'm like, oh, that's so – I think that's such an asset for any human being to be born into this earth with a dad who's like kind and sweet. So like that must be a great life. He's like the nerdy, sweet one. And then my mom was like the baddie, like icon, personality. Wow. Like definitely got more of my like – Fierceness and stuff. Fierceness from her. Wow. Yeah.

Yeah. And so how, how did you have a lead up to her passing? Was it sudden?

It was fast because, but like it was, it wasn't sudden because she got diagnosed, she had very serious cancer. So we were like trying to do everything we could to keep her alive, you know? And like she wanted to do the fight. Like everything that she wanted to do, I supported. I didn't ever want her to feel like pressure to do any treatments or anything that like she didn't want to do. That's nice. Yeah, yeah. So, but I like was in the hospital with her for like three months.

Wow. Like every other night I would sleep with her on the chair. Wow. Yeah. What type of cancer? Just because I never wanted her to be alone. It was like so many things that I don't even know. It was stage four. Oh, it spread. It spread like literally it was everywhere. Did you guys talk about death?

Oh, yeah. She was like, I do not fear death. Like she's such an icon. Yeah. She's like, I'm going to see my dad and my mom. Have you heard from her in your dreams or in signs? I literally can talk to her.

Like I can hear her in my head. Like if I ever need an opinion, I like maybe it's schizophrenia. Who knows? No, I mean, it's your, it's your parent. You have a close connection with, and especially too, I imagine spending the last three months of her life with her in the hospital. Like you probably bonded with her on a level that,

And I talked about that in my speech is that that's something that a lot of people say to me. They're like, oh, you were – because I was like really good at being that nurse. I'm a very like nurturing person. Yeah. And I was just able to like – we're so right here. Yeah. Like I could just know what she wants and give it to her.

you know? Whereas my dad's more like, let's like do a PowerPoint and dissect this. I'm just like, boom, like I got you, you know? So I think she was really happy to have me there. Um, but,

Oh, if you've heard from her. It didn't bring me any closer to her because we were already that close. Wow. Like, we were like, that's my best friend. That's my second half. So now I'm like, I can't fall into, like, a self-destructive depression because I know she wouldn't want that for me. Yeah. So that's what's, like, kind of getting me through right now is, like, knowing that she wants me to, like, still do things, like, iconic podcasts. Like, you know? Like, she'd be so happy that I'm here today. Yeah. Like, she doesn't want me to just rot in my bedroom and, like,

fall into my depression but like it's fucking rough every day i'm like hanging on it's like missing her and then like processing like the torture that she went through that's like the hardest for me her actual death was very beautiful in the sense that like it's exactly what she wanted the hospice came to our home she was in her own bed we were all surrounding her holding her i was telling her like you're gonna be okay you have nothing to worry about we're all okay

Wow. Very spiritual death she had. Oh, it was. I mean, it's a spiritual thing anyway. It was so spiritual. And then, get this, 20 minutes after she passed, our doorbell rang. We opened the door. No one's there. Oh, that was her. 100%. I think it was. Wow.

That's powerful. She's very powerful. And she, I already could hear her in my head when she was alive. So it's just like that, that remaining consistent. I'm really grateful for it. Cause I'm like, I need her voice. I need her. Yeah. And I still have her and I'll always have her. Yeah. You'll never have her. God damn. It sucks to not have her physically. Yeah. I can't imagine there. I studied death for a really long time just because I was so interested in the fact that there are mediums. And I'm like, if this is true, if this is real, that is wild. And what a beautiful thing. What a beautiful healing thing. And,

I've been to readings and I've taken Corinne to readings and stuff. And one of the things that I hear repeated that it's just so confusing to me because it's so antithetical of like how any person actually feels is like when you die, the person who dies is like, don't grieve. Like they think we're crazy for crying, but it's like,

I think that's crazy that they think that's – like what? Like how could I not? You're half of me. And especially your mom and like Corinne's dad, just such a big presence, like such a spot in your heart they occupied. Absolutely. Oh, half of my heart is gone. There's like a hole now.

And I'll just do the best I can, mom. And then we'll be reunited physically one day. Absolutely. We're already there spiritually. And that's great that you can kind of access her when you want. Excuse me. Yes. And I'm grateful that she got to live to 68. She deserved much more time. But it's like my best friend died at 25. My ex died at 28. Oh my god, Dash. Yeah. So it's like I'm hoping – say three –

They say things come in threes. I'm like, okay, the first love of my life, my best friend and my mom. I'm like, can we be done? Grim Reaper, like, please fuck off. Yeah. Leave them alone. I know. It's like, it's pretty dark. So yeah, I have a lot of trauma I'm carrying with me daily, which is why I think I'm funny.

Of course. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. It takes the trauma. If you don't laugh, you'll cry. It's like crying is not, you know, it's more productive to laugh. It's our only option. How long ago were those other deaths? Because I'm not, I don't know. So 2018 was my childhood best friend. Jesus. My childhood best friend's dead too. Oh my God. Wow, we relate. And I love you. And a guy I was dating died.

whoa okay so hopefully we're both done we've completed the trauma i mean you do have our parents will die their remaining parent will pass but like we all for a while not for a while exactly your your your friend like my friends weren't i mean they were in their 30s though you're 25 and 28 that's really young i mean not that 30s is like you're expecting it but so november 2022 was when my ex died and that rocked my both all three of these rocked my

to my shit. Yeah. Sudden? I have a theory that November is my least favorite month. So this does not surprise me. It's November and January. See, for me, it's just November. Just November. I just hate the whole month. The whole month, I just go, I just want to hide for this whole month. I hate November. It's the worst. Yeah, I hate November. I hate January.

Those are like my, we got beef. Yeah. Well, I'm glad that we're out of January now. Thank God. You have a bit of a respite. Please. I'm a big brother soldier. It's like those feelings that you feel in these two particular months are like lingering behind you and you're just, are you just not looking at it? Are you distracting yourself? Are you escaping? Like how do you quell those, it knocking at your door?

I mean, I just think like both those months are dark as it's in itself. Like outside it's dark. Yeah. Weather wise. It's like bringing up, it's like the anniversaries of dramatic events. Yeah. It's like, no. Just we're going to go to bed early this month. Yeah, exactly. Thank God January's over. I'm tired.

Yeah. Have you heard from the other two folks in your life, your ex and your childhood best friend who have passed? Have you heard from them the way you've heard from them? I feel their presence. Like when I went into, when I did Squid Game the Challenge. Yeah. They, they, well, my, my edit, who, who,

you know, it's reality TV. Yeah. Corinne has been on it before and it's like, what were you on? Not that show, but I was fired from a reality show that, so I never made it to air, but I was on, it was a show on Sundance called girls who like boys who like boys about women and their gay best friends. So my best friend and I were on it, but we were fired and replaced by a woman who is now a very successful standup comedian as well. Oh, nice. You were robbed. Yeah.

Well, you didn't want to pretend. We wouldn't do a lot of the stuff that they wanted us to do. They wanted me to pretend that I was in love with my best friend. And I said, but he's gay. We respect his identity. Yeah. He's just like, and I was like, we're friends. Like, what? This is a weird. That's called overproducing. Yeah. I said, but I'm not. But you're in a game show type of. And I mean, they overproduced that too, right? It was giving Saw.

Oh, like literally on day one. Oh my God. Hours in the freezing cold, having to hold your positions for red light, green light for 30 minutes. What? Oh, dark. Um, so like that was, it was very much giving death game. Yeah. And, um, during that I was like, do it for Molly, do it for Jake, do it for Molly. Like I channeled my angels energy and I felt it and it got me through and,

after those eight, nine hours of crossing the finish line, I just like broke down crying because like I could really feel them with me. Yeah. In those moments of distress and like I also had a moment of distress in the second game because like I'm not good with like fine, like drawing, even drawing like fine-tuned things with fingers. Yeah. Always been bad at that. So I was like shaking trying to cut the cookie out.

because I know how bad I am and I practice and I'm fucking terrible at it. Oh my God, I finished the cookie with one second left. But like even then I was like channeling them. So they really were helping me get through that trauma. And it does, it seems like, and from all the videos I've read and the people I've talked to in the books and stuff of like, or the videos I've watched,

is you just need to think about their memory and think about them and their essence. And they do. They're like, hey, hi, which is kind of cool. Yeah, it's interesting. They'll come like random things will make me like feel their energy. But if I need them, they're there. Yeah. And that's the most important.

That's nice. They're there when you need them. You got them for the rest of your life. But just to speak on Molly, to wrap that thing up, it's like I feel very misunderstood a lot of the time. It's like people are always trying to tell me who I am rather than just listening to who I am and letting me tell you because identity is the most powerful thing in the world. Only you can decide who you are.

Yes. You know, and with Molly, like I went through a very traumatic coming out. So her acceptance of me and her loving me regardless. It's like a safety, safety fall. Like you can really trust her. Yes. And like that's that and that level of intimacy and like making love to me, like it made me feel safe in my own body again. Oh, that's beautiful.

It made me feel safe in my sexuality and in my fluidity. It's just like she was so important for my formative years when it came to my sex and sexuality. So her death really hit me like a ton of bricks because – and it's so crazy because I had messaged – I had been dreaming about her right before she died, witchy shit.

And she was like saving me from my nightmares because I had another trauma, like lots of trauma. Being a human is a very traumatic experience. And that's what my mom always said. It's one trauma after another and it's about how you deal with it. Yes. For sure. Because you're never going to stop getting those traumas. Exactly. So you might as well learn how to take it and like be powerful in those experiences. Yes. 100%. So yeah.

I had texted her being like, hey, you keep saving me in my nightmares. I'm taking this as a sign that I want to reach out. I hope you're doing amazing. And she was like, so sweet. She's like, that is so adorable. I'm traveling right now. Would love to see you when I get back. And

and I was like so excited to reunite and then she passed. Suddenly, suddenly I imagine. Yes. Suddenly. Can I, can I ask what happened? It was like an accidental overdose sort of thing. Like, yeah. Yeah. Both of them, my ex and my, and my childhood best friend. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my gosh.

I mean, I don't even know. Yeah. Death is wild. Death is such a wild thing. It's yeah. It's so hard, you know? And that's why you gotta like, while people are here, you got to tell them how you feel and that you love them, you know? Cause with my mom, like I have no one,

words left unsaid that's beautiful nothing like i i would pour my heart out to her on the daily like i was low-key codependent on her so i'm like oh she knows that's nice you had a mom you could lean on that's beautiful yeah oh that's so great so so you've had a lot of death in your life but you've also been really fortunate with these bonds your close circle of bonds has been pretty top-notch and if you're like mourning on that level like that's

it's clear to like how special and lucky you were to have that love in the first place. You know, so I try and think of it like that. Yeah. Yeah. You mentioned you had a traumatic coming out experience. Oh, you were like, how dark are we getting? Oh, I mean, it's like very dark. We get lots, we get pretty dark on this show. Yeah. I mean, it makes sense. You know, comedy and trauma are like hand in hand. Um,

So I thought – like it's so funny because like when I went – when I finished filming the show, I was very traumatized because I got hate-crimed out of the competition. What? Yeah. Full hate crime. What? They didn't edit it like that because that's very controversial and I get it. It's reality TV. They can't like show that. Right.

I wish they did. Yeah, because it's what happened to you. Yes. And like they made it like they had the footage to make it look like it was my fault. So that was the easier road to go down. But it's like, no, like I was very mistreated. I stood up for myself and I was proud of myself. And it's like the reason why I got eliminated was because they

It was by a Trump supporter and he was blaming me for people knowing that he was a Trump supporter even though he was literally going around the dorm in the squid game telling people he was a Trump supporter, which is just terrible game. Oh, yeah. I was like, what's the strategy? Yeah, like baby girl. This is the motherfucking squid game. Why are you talking about your Lord and Savior Trump? Right. Well, that's exactly how it is.

And you don't want people to know. And it's my fault? It's the most queer bitch here? Right. Well, not most queer, but most visibly queer. That has more sway. Yeah. But also, too, these people that are like, that like a candidate. I just watched a whole docuseries about the alt-right and how there's more alt-right, racist, anti-Semitic, anti-black and brown people than I...

or that I like to think. But they also don't want people to know that they're like this. And I'm like, if you're so fucking passionate about it, why not be you, boo? Exactly. Why not be you? Stand on that shit because you know you're wrong. Right, because I disrespect who you believe in and what you praise, but I disrespect you even more that you're too chicken shit to say it. I agree because you know what? Like,

I'm willing to have the conversation with people. I'm willing to try – it depends on how much energy I got or who the person is. Sometimes it's just not worth it. But if someone that I care about and then I find out, oh, they voted for Trump, I'd rather have a conversation with them and try and open their mind with love than hate because I used to be like that, just like you're dead to me. But I don't think it's actually how we're going to reclaim our power as minorities in this country.

the country. Yes. And I'm including women in that. Yeah. I think you're absolutely right. Yeah. No one, and also too, like, especially with the way his presidency is going now, I want to give Trump supporters, current Trump supporters room to backpedal on their support for him. And they're not going to do that if I'm like, I fucking told you we were right. Fucking idiot. That's not a welcoming, you can't do that. It's like, girl, I tried to tell you, but I hope you see now and I hope you choose to come on the right side of like,

Of history. Yeah. Humanity. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. So this guy. Oh, yeah. Oh. Hate crime. Oh, hate crime. Yeah. So what I thought, honestly, like I left that show being really proud being like, I'm going to be, I think I'm going to be a hero. Yeah. Because it's like I opened up about what I'm about to tell you about like my traumatic coming out. Like I did a whole like...

interviewing like a in a like a cute ass look um well expose yeah like like like like like because i was thinking like okay i'm gonna like be a role model for queer people and for survivors who like want to see enough for themselves because it's like my backstory but it's also what happened to me in the game game but then when i saw the show i was like wait you're not showing why i'm really voting for these people why i'm really like like gaming on i look like the like

Oh. Which, like, I was messy. Yeah. But it's a reality show. It was for a reason. You know? Like, I was coming for those people for a reason. Like, none of that aired. You know? So that was hard for me because then I got, like, a lot of homophobic hate, a lot of people being like, how could you come for them? Or like, I'm so glad that guy eliminated you. And it's like, if only y'all knew the truth. Ugh, that's so, yeah. You know? So that was painful. But...

With that being said, like, I always wanted a platform after surviving what I survived because I was like, I'm someone who has talent and I have the personality and I want to, like, hopefully inspire other people that they can get through.

You know, trauma. Yeah. But that's like not what happened. But now I'm kind of hoping I'm doing it on my own little by little. Yeah. What did happen? So what happened? So what happened was I was raped was what happened. Okay. Yeah. Trigger warning. Sorry. We talk about rape way too much on the show because it happens to everybody. Yeah. It's way too common. Yeah. And not only that, I was outed by my rapist.

Yeah, but he was someone who was supposed to be my friend. And after that told people we hooked up as if it was consensual. Spread around my town to the point that I'm at a party. You know I'm a lit bitch. You saw me. I'm turning it up, turning it up. And by the way, I'm like, I'm not out at this point. And I hear this guy saying my name and my rapist name like dash and do do do dash and do do do like that.

Yank the bitch up by his throat. I am from Jersey. I'm not afraid to stand up for myself. You and Corinne are so similar. I'm feeling it. Okay, Jersey girls with trauma. Where are you from in Jersey? I'm from Montclair. Oh, you're a rich bitch. I'm from Union. I'm from Union. I'm from Montclair too. I used to drive over to Montclair to get nice movies from arthouse films and nice vintage stores.

Yeah. I thrived in the art. Yeah. It's mini NYC. Yeah. Mini. Oh, I like that. So yoked him up by his throat. Yes, you do. Yes, you do. Turn the wheel. Okay.

I said, do you have anything to fucking say to me? Yes. And he looked shook. Because I was... He should be. Yeah. I have red hair. When you get me to the point, I don't fucking play. Exactly. You know about redheads. I do. We have like... And I really don't like to channel that temper within me, that anger within me. But when it gets poked, you poke the bear. But if I need to...

I will release the Kraken. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so like he knew. And so then I just grabbed my best friend, um, took him outside. I started bawling, crying. And then that's when he tells me like,

this has been like a rumor. This has been spreading around the town. And so... Oh my goodness. Tried to, you know, process everything. It was like really... And that's why... So then my ex, Molly, like that's when she confronted me being like, hey, I'm hearing this. And that's when like I came out to her. We fucked. It was great. Oh, wow. So that's like we're starting to put together the pieces, right? I see. Yeah. Then...

I originally was at school in South Carolina. Choices. Beautiful state, not beautiful minds of everybody there. Clock that T. Transferred to NYU. Great decision. And then when I was at NYU, that's when I found out that he was actually a serial rapist and he had done this to multiple other victims. They always do. It fucked.

destroyed me. I felt guilt. I felt so much guilt because I felt like if I had spoken out or done something about it earlier, maybe this wouldn't have happened to them. Sure. Oh, it was dark. So then I went through a whole legal battle. Oh, good for you. Yeah. Good for you. And I won. Oh,

Oh, yeah. Yay. She's a winner, baby. Yes. Yes. And that was like super empowering for me. I mean, the legal system is so fucked up. It is fucked. It was traumatizing in itself. Well, because I know that's why a lot of people don't legally go after the rapist because they don't. And frankly, I don't blame them. You don't want to experience that again. But if you can get behind me doing this is going to prevent it from future people. If you have that in you and if you don't, it's OK. But like, it's totally OK to not. It's amazing.

to not like do legal action about it. Like if you're not ready or you're not comfortable, like I never want to put pressure on survivors of abuse. So how long was this legal battle? It was three years. Three years. Yeah. And it was so exhausting. And my parents like were there with me every step of the way. Oh my God. You have amazing parents. I do. And was it civil, criminal? What are we dealing with here? So that was the thing. I had like two options.

I could go about it to like try and get this man in jail. Yeah. But the truth was like I wasn't going to win because – and like my lawyers like mapped it out for me and like I would have loved that route. Yeah, of course. If there was actual potential for something to be done about it. Yeah. But the problem was if I go that route and lose, I had no protection. If I went about it to get it on his record and to get a restraining order –

I not only had protection, but I could win that. Right. So that's where I ended up going because I wanted to feel safe. Yes. Yes. I didn't feel safe after that, you know? And like, it was just like, and winning that case, like honestly brought me so much closure from that. And that was like an eight year thing. Cause that happened. I was two weeks into being 18 or maybe a month, two to four weeks. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cause I turned 18 in May. It happened in June. So it was within a month of me turning 18 when that happened, when I was attacked, um,

Did you get to speak to him in court? No, he didn't show up, which I'm fine with. I don't need to see you, sweetie. He didn't show up. Interesting. That's a big case not to show up for. Well, he's ashamed. He's ashamed, I guess. But like, fuck you. Yeah, I mean like his life, like I have updates because of like my team and like, you know. No way he had easy beginnings in his life. Oh no, that's the thing is like I actually like,

I don't feel like carrying around hatred for him or deep, deep, deep anger for him is beneficial to me at this point in my life. I did for a long time. But I know that – It's not the spiritually healthy choice for you. It's not. Anger is like a hot coal. I just got to throw it. I wish him peace. I truly do hope he learns to be a better person and never does this to anyone again.

Yeah. Like, that's what I hope for him. Yeah. And rape, you know, it's – rape is a power thing. It's all power. Yes. It's not necessarily sexual. It's about having power over somebody. It's about using somebody's body as your struggle, like, as your control mechanism. Yes. And that's one of the reasons – many reasons why it's so disgusting to, like –

to the just such a bad crime. So I'm glad that he, there's no way this didn't make a dent on him spiritually. There's no way. I mean, I think he at least knows that there's the restraining order against him and that it's on his record at this point. So it's like, I feel like at least I was able to somewhat hold him accountable and protect myself. Yeah. You know, have any of his other victims pursued legal action against him? They did not join the case, which I,

Oh, okay. Yeah. But you invited them. They were. They were invited. But, you know, I didn't ever want them to feel pressured. It's like such a heavy thing to relive and to like, you know, you're sitting in front of this straight white man having to basically like

as a minority, like tell your story and then they get to decide if they believe you. Like, it's like really. It's like, yeah, it's, I wouldn't say humiliating because I felt empowered that I even had the balls to do it, but I would say it's degrading. Okay. I would say it's degrading. And, um, and wait, fuck there was. So after this, like, I feel like,

I was eventually able to take my power back because for a while I really wasn't safe in my body sexually. Yeah. And like, I am like, you know, I like to like, how do I say this? Um,

Your sexuality is a big part of it. I'm a horny girl. Yeah, me too, girl. People are fucking hot. I'm also into like, I'm very open-minded. Yeah. Being comfortable in your sexuality and leaning into your sexuality in a way that feels good for everybody involved. I don't know that I've ever felt more empowered in my life. I got to give you the queer clap.

Yes. And I'm like so proud of myself because like now I'm like sexually empowered. Like there was a point where I was like promiscuous, but I was doing it out of like pain and like trying to like, you know, then there was a point where I was like not sexual at all because of pain and trauma.

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Now you have balance. Excuse me, please cut that out. Oh, no, it's fine. I'm trying to be dateable and fuckable. So how did this come back on Squid Game? So the show, this case was, you talked about the case. Well, yeah, like I talked about it in my processing interviews is what they called, right? And like literally all of the other like

either supporting or main characters. I was more supporting, I'd say, but I'm still one of the most memorable people in that show, clock that T, even with a supporting character role, which I genuinely thought I was going to be a main character because of everything that happened to me in there. And on top of my backstory, but none of that interview aired, like in me in the cute outfit, like they didn't humanize me at all. I was more like comedic relief slash messy gay.

Which I love the comedic relief part of it because we love comedy. It's just a vapid skeletal stereotype of somebody. Yeah, but it's like I have a depth. I'm grateful for Netflix. It's not their fault at all. They didn't edit this. They've definitely championed me and had me on their podcast since I was invited to the finale. Only 15 of the 456 cast members were. I'm grateful for Netflix. I love Netflix. When it comes to the editors who ever edited this...

Girl, we need to talk. Yeah. At some point. I'm very confused why they want the direction when it came to my story. But yeah. So that was disappointing to not have, you know, because I want the truth to be told. Yeah. And I would like I mean, to go through all of that. It's like I want to represent for fluid people. Yeah. For the queer community, but also for survivors. Like, that's very important to me. Yeah. You know, but it's also hard to talk about.

Yeah. Well, especially when your story is in the hands of others. Yes. You want your story to be your own. How did the guy who went around saying he was a Trump supporter, how did he come back into play with this? Like what was he – so he was mad at you for – Well, it was just really weird. Like he eliminated me and saying that the reason why is because I'm the reason people know he's a Trump supporter. Yeah.

But that's like literally insane. Like that's why I was eliminated. That's why $4.56 million was taken or the chance for it was taken out of my hands. And I was going to donate a million dollars to – whoa. I was going to donate a million dollars to queer and trans homeless youth. So I'm there fighting for my community. Yeah. And I already was having to deal with a homophobic guy, transphobic guy who got us first one from our cast to get a spinoff, mind you. Yeah.

Yeah, I have a video on my Instagram exposing him after he went on the second show and was homophobic to a bisexual girl who's an icon. Shout out to Dominique. Love you. Yeah. And I was so proud of myself for finally speaking up about that. But I've never really talked about the hate crime. So this is some good tea. Yeah.

Fuck it. Yeah. You know, I'm like, I'm like, that's the reality. You hate crime me out of my competition and you know, you're dead wrong. He went up to my best friend from the show and said, Hey, I don't know if you still talk to dash lies. I know you're checking on my me boo. Cause me and him collaborate a lot. He's like, he's the one with like the eight abs. Nice. Yeah. Super hot gay. We love him, Sam. He's like, he goes up to him and I've been, he's like, I don't know if you still talk to us, but let, let them know. I'm sorry.

Okay. That's very cowardly. You're this man. You're four feet tall, sweetie. Oh, no. You have a lot of- Napoleon complex. Oh, Napoleon boots. Yeah. Hmm.

Napoleon boots. He was walking around the dorm when he was picking who to eliminate. He's like, anybody want to go home? It's the most powerful he's ever felt. Yes. And he eliminated me and a black single mother. Trump's America. Yeah. Oh my God. But it's like so creepy because it's like, baby girl, you're the one telling people that you're a Trump supporter. So if you want to eliminate the people who, eliminate yourself. Right. Right.

Right. Why am I? Why this fabulous queer icon? Yeah. Well, I think people like him are intimidated by others who can comfortably be themselves. Exactly. And if it was about the game, like I would have respected that. Like I am a good social player, you know, and I have the strategic mind. I love these competition shows.

Like if you take me out like you're a threat to my alliance because fuck that alliance. Yeah. Yeah. I would have been like, you know what? Good move. But he doesn't have the balls to admit that a bitch like me had you shaking. Yeah. Yeah. Because he's a baby girl. There's a lot of that. Let's unpack that.

Yeah. Were you making him horny? Like, I think you were. That's what some people think. I'm not going to say that, but you know, that's the read we're getting. Seems like. So why does my unapologetic nature make you so hot and bothered and angry? Yeah. It's powerful. Um, yeah, there's a lot of people like on the internet, like the times that Corinne and I all get hate on the internet, which is, you know, every so often, but it's like, it doesn't even matter at this point. Cause it's like, ugh.

okay, what are we going to do? But then when like a lot of times I'll respond to people like when I'm in a good mood and I can be like, I'm going to respond with compassion, which is not often, but you know, when I have it in me, I will. And then they're like, holy shit, I didn't even think you were going to respond. I'm like, did you even mean what you fucking said? You didn't even mean what you fucking said. They just wanted your attention because you're an icon. Yeah.

And they feel empty. They just feel empty and vacillated. I have a good little story about hate comments. Let's go. So one time – this was like before Squid Game. So I had like a small – I mean I still am not a huge following but like it helped. Yeah. We're on our way. You're a force regardless. Thank you. Yeah. It's about quality, not quantity, right? Absolutely. I agree. Yeah.

So it was my cousin. I collaborated with my cousin because she's like a singer, YouTuber. She's great, Julia. So that was like my first taste of like –

A lot of people seeing me on like a media outlet. And this little boy messaged me being like, fucking faggot. And he fucking faggot. He definitely talked like that too. A little boy. That makes me so sad. I went to his page. He was like maybe 11. Oh my God. And I'm like, this is so sad. He's playing too much Halo. And sometimes I'm like respond, like take the high road, you know, Michelle Obama.

Yeah, we're not doing that anymore. We're going low. But sometimes I'm like, bitch, I have a degree in pedilosophy and I will weaponize it. So I literally was like, don't nobody want you, boo. I was like, and I like read him for filth and then he responded being like, I'm so depressed. I want to kill myself. Oh,

He's like, I'm so sorry that I said that. I'm just really depressed. And I was like, aw. And then I was like, wait, I kind of stand you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're not our best when we're sad or when we're embarrassed or whatever. So I gave him lumbar. I was like, listen, sending people bigoted, calling people bigoted words is not going to make you any less depressed. Go to therapy. Heal yourself. I'm rooting for you. But please don't treat people like this going forward. And he was like, I won't.

It seems like a lot of people, they only know, you know, they want to affect others and they feel connected to others by affecting them negatively or positively. And I think a lot of people have it in their head that getting a rise out of somebody, it's like their brain is subconsciously mistaking that with connection. It's so weird. And oh my God, like literally most of my hate when Squid Game dropped was from queer people. Weird. Weird.

So weird. That's like, you know, that's self-hating. That makes sense. It's self-hating. It's really sad. It's like, I love... That's so disappointing. It's so... I'm here fighting for our community. Yeah. Like, if you knew my story, if you knew what I went through, I doubt they would be doing this. Yeah. But regardless, like...

I feel like queer people can be very competitive with each other and they're like, that should have been me. Like, but it's like baby girl, like you're, what is for you won't pass by you. Like you don't need to hate on the next bitch. Yeah. So yeah, it's really sad. The scarcity mentality I think is like one of the biggest culprits in the us versus them thing.

Yes. It's like if we had more representation, maybe the gays wouldn't feel this way and the queers wouldn't feel this way. But like we should be holding then the networks accountable and the casting accountable and not the people who are reacting to your – Reacting to your opportunities. Yeah. Yeah. I mean it happens with women too. I mean it's just straight men have really –

a way to kind of do what they want at the top while we all fight each other on the bottom. I mean, there are so many caste systems that are working that way, whether it be with minorities or financial caste systems in this country. I mean, it's just like, it's like truly let's all fight each other here while everyone's having a great time up there and it's just straight men up there. Yeah, because the straight men

Straight men have managed to get us only focused on transgender women being predators to a child, which if a man wants to be a predator to a child, they don't care what signs on the fucking bathroom. So we're focusing on this 1% when the other 1% that have billions of dollars are fucking

fucking everything up. And it's like, guys, stop the pawn thing. Humans are very, our psyche is so delicate. We're so susceptible of fear of the other. And I just can't wait for the moment, and I do think it's going to happen, where we're going to realize all the people stirring the pot so that we're distracted, we're going to turn on them eventually. I'm ready. Yeah, I've been ready this whole fucking time. We've been ready a long time. That's why Greg's running for mayor. Like, let's go. End with this corruption bullshit. We need people like...

Who give a shit. Yes. Who are like actually for the people because the truth is the people at the top are doing everything they can to distract us. Yeah. To keep themselves at the top. Well, that's what upset me so much. Like we went, you know, we were on the daily show, like an election special a couple weeks before the election in November. And we went to a Trump rally in Latrobe, Pennsylvania. And we spoke to people. And I...

Like these people felt bad for us because we hadn't, you know, seen the light of Donald Trump. But I was also feeling bad for them because I'm like, you really believe this man cares about middle class and lower class people. And he doesn't. Not at all. And like, even though I don't agree with a lot of your viewpoints, like I don't want you to be doing badly. I really don't. Well, good things for you. And we fucked with the.

people we talked to, they were kind and they were welcoming and they were much more welcoming than a Democrat would be to a Trump supporter, I would say, at a rally. And so that was very palpable for us. Yeah. And yeah, it's just like, oh my gosh, I don't, it's so clear. It was so clear to me that Elon and Trump were in cahoots and they were just going to try and to monetize this win any way they could. And, but, and I, people were like,

I just don't, I didn't understand how they were able to pull the wool over so many people's eyes. I think because I think for fear, hundred heirs worship billionaires. It's this weird thing of like, if you worship the people you want to be like, I think. Yeah. Possibly. I mean, it's like a larger conversation about how we've, we're just lusting after capitalism. And the only thing that matters to us is making more money than our neighbors. That's, I mean, that's,

a whole separate issue. I was sent this video. My boyfriend sent me this very interesting video about feudalism, which I'm like, what the fuck is that? And it talked about how we're moving from a capitalist society to a feudalist society. And he explained where, you know, back in ancient, more ancient times, you were either a serf where you worked the land or you were a landowner. Mm-hmm.

No one inherited anything that wasn't in your caste system. So you're born that way. You die that way. No questions asked. There we go. So that is what's happening now. But with digital currency, you either own a social media platform or you work the land of a social media platform. And you only have power if you own the social media platform. And so I think – Because when you own the – yeah, when you own the – well, own it, you own the conversation. And you control people's thoughts.

and you can really manipulate it. You can control the entire narrative. Yes. And that's so scary. Very. Exactly. Very. That's the thing. But there's more of us than there are of them. Yes. There's like 10 of them. There was a meme I saw this morning that's like, if billionaires got killed the same rate children were murdered in America during a school shooting, there'd be no billionaires in two months. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Like, there are so many more of us than there are of them. And these people are voting against their own best interests, but they don't realize it. It's tough. Because they're being fed misinformation. They're being manipulated. Yeah. They're being fear-mongered. Right. It breaks my heart what they're doing to trans people. Yes. Because trans people are already...

such a vulnerable minority group. Like, leave them the fuck alone. I know. And I was going to ask, like, how do you feel about them? Like, LGB is now, that's all it is on the CDC's website? Like, the government websites? That's disgusting. Yeah. There is no queer community without trans people. Right. They literally started the queer rights movement. Like, are they okay? They threw the first brick. Literally. Yeah. So it's like...

But also, the Republicans are obsessed with trans people. They're obsessed. Obsessed. And it's so...

Oh, God. It's so like it's the it's the tale as old as time of the politician trying to make prostitution illegal has the most whores in his hotel room. Like, yes. What are we doing? Because did you see that it showed that like all these Republicans most searched thing was trans porn? Oh, I haven't. Yeah. Well, back when I was doing comedy a couple months ago. Yeah. I, you know, I had a joke about how trans porn is one of the most searched categories of porn. Yet I've never met anyone who's seen it. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. That's weird. It's almost, almost like, I was like, I was like, it's either people are lying or, or Pornhub stats are way off, you know? It's, yes. Yeah. Because people, yeah. And like, we know a lot of trans comedians and they're like, guys,

Stop it. Like I don't want to fuck kids. I don't want to – like we're making up these stories. You don't have to transition to fuck kids. You can just be a man. Exactly. But that's what they're doing. Like a pedophile is going to be a pedophile. If they choose to act on it, nothing will stop them. It's so disturbing. It is disgusting that you are – and that you're weaponizing this thing that – like

Women feel unsafe in the world with straight men because those are the wolves anyway. It's almost always a straight man is the wolf. And so this is an actual problem that's actually happening. But now you are completely misconstruing like the fact that this happens and women feel unsafe. And then you're adding this other layer of the trans thing and it's like –

Ew. It's classic demonization, you know, and dehumanization. Yeah. It's very creepy. And it really does remind me of like how and even what they're doing to immigrants and like vilifying immigrants. It reminds me of World War II and like what the Nazis did to dehumanize the Jews and minorities. When Elon did the Nazi salute twice-

And then he tried to like come off as like, oh, I'm just this autistic genius, mysterious guy. He's gaslighting the entire country. Also, his poor daughter. He has a trans daughter. Thank God for Grimes.

Really? Yeah. I feel for her. I think that she'll do a good job. I really like her music. Oh, you do? You're like a Grimes fan. I really like her music. And I think that she's gotten a lot of hate for being married to Elon. But it's like, we all have someone in life.

you know, we're not proud of, right? If you held up all my exes to the fire, I'd be embarrassed. I think she'll take care of her kids if she can get a hold of them. I mean, could she not get a hold of them? Well, I mean, Elon has so much more money than her. Yeah. It was basically like, she was like, you know, she was like on, you know, maybe probably not X. She was like online being like, I haven't seen my kids, you know? But like Grimes, do you not have access to like,

or anything. Like, girl, you could help us here. I know. Yeah, I mean, even though we know her, she's, you know, in the world of pop stars, just not that famous. And then compared to the richest man, it's the richest man. That's a hard legal battle to fight. So I actually do feel for her a lot. The one thing that I think humanity has in common, though, is this notion that power is

It's delicate, man. If you give a person power, the odds of them going corrupt with it are just very high. It's really interesting to me how a man can have multiple billions of dollars and not just fuck off on an island. You don't have to work again. Right.

But you're just so hungry for this power that I'm like, that is very interesting to me. It's very much giving supervillain art. And the fact that the president created his own digital currency the day before he got inaugurated and then his wealth, his net worth increased by billions of dollars before he got into office because now foreign power can buy him by just buying his currency. That is nuts. And I don't even trust that the election wasn't rigged. Right.

I know. I'm like, I'm going to believe it's not. Y'all called the last one rig. I think that was a setup. And then now it's like a little bit of a misdirect. It's like they're in charge of all the Internet and like the electronics. Like, I don't know. It's just really weird. And also there's so much there's so many articles about how Trump has absolutely had it with Elon. But there's obviously a reason why he has to keep him around. Almost like he almost like Elon did him a favor. Yeah.

And fucking won him the election, you're saying? Yes. I could totally see that being possible. There's something that went on between them where Trump has to keep Elon around because...

Trump because Elon did something for Trump. I don't know what it is. I think you're right. But like because it's his whole team. It's not it's not really hidden anymore that Trump is like I'm like I because he's stealing his spotlight. Trump doesn't want his spotlight stolen by Elon. It's the worst thing you could do to him. Narcissist. You know and he's in and he's in this special appointed position where he can you know act below the radar of the law.

That's why Elon is getting away with all this. There's not even checks and balances. A man who's not appointed getting access to our social security numbers is like, that's really fucked, man. Very limited amount of people have that kind of power and Elon has that power and it's extremely dangerous. And maybe Corinne, you would have the answer to this or maybe you, Dash. I certainly don't.

But there was the video of Eminem talking about when he's asked about Trump, there's so many words that come to his brain that he feels overwhelmed that he feels because he fucking hates Trump. He goes, I fucking hate that people think that Trump likes you. He doesn't fucking like you. Like he just, but like the gaslighting, gaslighting, the form of gaslighting as a form of abuse, as a tactic of abuse. How do you get past that when this person just keeps doing it?

Like I don't know how to surpass gaslighting or how to overcome it. How are we supposed to wake these people up? Right. Great question. I wish I had the answer. I mean it's a slow process because I think it's taking them being personally affected like people who are – who voted for Trump and are married to immigrants and then their – ICE is knocking on their door and their wife is being deported. I think that's –

Which is happening. Yeah. So it's like, it's that when you are that you have to be abused, ingrained into a cult, like something really has to shake your world for you to get out of it. You know, I mean, they are in a, in a cult. Yes. And cults are cold down. Cults are so powerful. It's one of those powerful, powerful forces in humanity in this day and age, I think as a cult.

But I thought, I think it's a larger conversation that we have failed as a country because the people who voted for Trump didn't feel a part of our country so much that they needed to feel a part of something else. Right. I think it's always easier to easier to try and solve a problem. Um,

when you're like, okay, well I, maybe I can't control this part of it, but how can I try to heal this other part of it that made it happen initially? I mean, these are big, big issues. I know, but it's, it's happening on such a, like a, such a big level where our entire government is just made of people that are gaslighting. And there's so many news sources that are like, they're doing this thing and they're lying. And that's, Oh, it's illegal. It's unconstitutional, but then nothing's getting done about it.

It's so true. But like, also, I gotta say, like, the Democrats are also a mess. Oh, they're spineless. That's why I'm running there. The Democratic Party has no voice anymore. They don't stand on shit. Yeah, they're either like diet Republican, or they're concentrating on things that just don't affect the average everyday working American. So then we've lost these everyday, you know, everyday people to the Republican Party, which is Democrats.

seem to be more punty. A wild move because that really should just be for like rich people and super villains kind of. Yeah, literally. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wild times. It's difficult. Wild.

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But I really think that, especially like if you have a life where you've had a lot of traumatic experiences in your life, a time in history like the one we find ourselves in, we are more equipped to handle it. Because it's like, all right, I've handled a lot. You've handled a lot of hell in your life, Dash. We are going to – so let's fucking go. Let's go. Come at me, bro. Let's fucking go. Like take our rights away. We will remain. We will be solid and we will – You can't erase us. Exactly. Exactly.

Exactly. And I'm not going to like lie and say it doesn't affect me. Like it fucking sucks. It's heavy. It's heavy. It feels gross. But it's like they're not going to win. Yeah. You know, in the long run. Yeah. Like no matter what they do. Yeah. Like we're still going to exist. Yeah. Like period. Like I believe the queer community and all minorities will outlast us.

fucking time. Yeah. Mass MAGA. I remember the first, um, the first ever trip I had to New York city. I was in eighth grade and I saw my first ever Broadway musical, which was rent. And I, that was when I was first exposed to like, I would say queer magic and the community, they weren't like, I'm gay, I'm trans. They were just themselves. And it was, I was so in awe of that musical. I became upset. I cried. I like that musical, like gay,

impacted me so much. And that is like this type of magic that I think New York City has and that the queer community is at the spine of that magic, frankly. So look forward to keeping that alive with Currents Elected. Oh, are you in the Alphabet Mafia?

She's a huge supporter. I'm an ally. Yeah, I do a lot of nonprofit work. And so basically all the nonprofit work I have done was with LGBTQ organizations, animals or women's rights. I would say the most work I've done is with New Alternatives, if you're familiar with New Alternatives. I've heard of them. Yeah. It's a lot of people who have gotten kicked out of their house for coming out as –

gay or trans and um it's it's a great organization but sometimes you hear people's stories and you're just like I don't we're like if this is where you're you're starting in life you just don't you feel such a lack of of love and acceptance and you don't feel seen at all like this is this is a hard road yeah when you're first about to travel when your first bully is your parent yeah uh

you got a lot of, you got a lot of hills to climb. Yes. And that's why I always say like, I'm so lucky to have the parents I did, but given my traumatic coming out, like if I didn't have their support, who knows where I'd be? Yeah. And it gave you the courage to fight in court over something that was not a fun experience. So it's like, wow. Yeah. And it's like, that's, I do some work with Ali Forney. Oh yeah. Incredible. They're amazing. And that's like why, what I wanted to, like, that's one of the things I want to do is like, you know, because how,

Having a roof over your head, having a family, having a home is so important to be kicked out of your family because of who you are. That's so sick. What message does that send to a child? I mean, it's crazy. And they need love. They need all the love because they deserve all the love. And I want to say it.

Do not have kids if you're not okay with your kid being queer or trans. Yeah. Clock it. Yep. Absolutely. Right? Don't have kids. No. If you want to mold your child and just birth a maid, get a maid. It's cheaper. It's fucking cheaper. And you can actually say you could order a maid around, you know, within reason. Uh,

Demba Hensworth, kind of made. Yeah, that's true. So this has been amazing, Dash. I'm so glad we met that faithful New Year's Eve night. You're amazing. Like I'm obsessed with you and now I'm obsessed with you. She's amazing. You got my vote secure. Thank you. Okay. And I'll tell my friends to vote for you too. Thank you. I appreciate that. Where can we find you online? Where can we get more of you? Oh, yes. All of me. What do you want from me?

Dashcats.com is our website and then it's just at dashcats, K-A-T-Z, on everything. That's Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, and Twitter. Yeah. I'm never calling an ex. Ew, disgusting. Yeah.

But this was so fun. And you guys, I love your work. Thank you. I love your work and your stories. And we're all like walking libraries. And so I think it's so important to hear each other's stories. So I really appreciate you sharing yours with us. It was fun. We got deep. We got messy. Just like I like them. Thank you so much for being here.

Love y'all. This has been Guys We Fucked, the anti-slut-shaming podcast. We'll talk to you next Friday. Guys We Fucked is presented by Luminary. Created and hosted by Corinne Fisher and Christina Hutchinson. Editing and music coordination by Eric Freddie. Theme song by Rob Patterson and Jake Kozen.

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