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edited by another Eric, Eric Weisberg. Two Erics. Eric's weird. We only hire Erics on this show, and he does a wonderful job. And I know most people still listen to the audio version because we've been on air for so long before video was a big part of podcasting. But we do pay a pretty penny to edit those videos and get them up there. And we wear makeup.

So now, you know, not that I did it when we didn't do video, but like I pay more attention to it. I find podcasts much more enjoyable when you can watch them. Like I like, yeah, I don't like that. We have to video it. But when I'm consuming a podcast, I prefer to watch it on YouTube. Oh, really? I like YouTube. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I like the audio. That's why I like comedy. I like comedy albums versus comedy specials. But yeah.

I like comedy albums too, but I like comedy specials as well. I don't know. I just feel like the – I mean at the end of the day, the best way to consume comedy is in a club. Oh, yeah. It just pales – everything just pales in comparison to – Because it's actual high stakes. To watching it live in a room. Like there's no –

there's so few times I've seen someone who I know to be hilarious capture it in a special. Yeah. Yeah. That's really hard to do. Oh, Ali Wong's latest special. Have you watched that? You would love, she hasn't that wreath a couple months ago, right? Yeah. I saw that. I saw the fucking bit about a male comedian's girlfriends that she has to babysit male comedians. Girlfriends. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. When you bring them into the green room. Yeah. I couldn't have agreed more. Very niche bit. Um,

Yeah, I agree. But oh my God, that slapped hard in my head. Oh, I love that bit. No, I mean, it is bringing... I actually find it to be... I think it's like going against...

like unwritten rules that we have as comics when people bring non-comics into green rooms. Yeah. Especially like... It's not for a 24-year-old like, what is that? Can I have some Red Bull? Yeah, it's just not for you. If you're not performing or at least in the business, you shouldn't be in the green room. And the male comics know that and I know that they're just...

with the chick on their arm. Yeah. One also, if we started bringing like all our gay friends in, they wouldn't like that. I would like that though. Yeah. I think one time Shane Gillis, I don't know who he was dating, somebody. So this is a young hot chick. He literally goes, hey, this is a girl I'm dating. He just pokes me to show me the girl he's dating. I'm like, cool, Shane, I get it. You get hot chicks. Yeah.

Yeah. I thought it was very funny. And like also to be expected, Shane is hilarious and super tall. That's really all you need. Yeah. He's very tall. Fuck a face. Who cares about a face when you're funny and tall? Yeah, and he just feels like. Can't even see it up there. He's like, you know, he feels like a high school football player, but like he's going to like, you feel protected when you're around him. You totally do. And it's because he's tall, but also. Not emotionally, but.

Yeah, right, right, right, right, right, right. No, I love Shane. Well, I told you, they've been covering him on Demois. Like he's been, he keeps getting, Demois is like a TMZ or like Perez Hilton. Oh, really? And I follow them. But like, it's a thing.

only chicks and like gay guys would follow it's not for you know straight guys don't follow it wow Shane you really made it well and they kept and they were doing this series where they have people anonymously write in about what which celebrities are good kissers and he's been mentioned multiple times as being a good kisser a good kisser and so I keep texting it to him

because I'm like, I know he's not following it. And I was like, Shane, this is incredible. What does he say? He's just laughing. But I was like, Shane, this is so cool. I was like, I'm so hyped for you. There's a couple people I know with this quality. Shane has it. My friend Daria has it. It's like they're always constantly on the verge of laughing.

Like, it's like they're holding a funny secret. Yeah. And I love that type of, like, energy. Shane's brain must be just funny all the time, I guess. I guess so. Or sad, knowing a comedian. Yeah. I was like, comedians, we're kind of always, like, sad. The only time comics, like, all the comics I know have listened to an episode of Guys Who Fucked was the Shane Gillis interview. And they're like, he didn't know any of those questions. And he never thought about that shit before you asked him. Oh, my God.

oh shane that was so funny special place in my heart for sure we gotta put we should put that um episode back up on youtube because i've been getting dms about it yeah shane you're so popular stop it no that's just because he's his the troll he sent his troll like or not he didn't it's not his fault yeah uh just they're just trolling us christina oh god damn it yeah stop it yeah it's this guy like it's just become a like it's like a bit that is only funny to these trolls

Oh, wow. That's really only funny to you because it's not funny. Yeah. We were just talking before we got on the mic and I'm like, Corinne, you did it again. What a solid point. Aesthetic surgery on faces, like plastic surgery to look better has mainly been done to women since it started happening. And now men are starting to do face stuff, which I am a huge fan of men. Start to consider some face stuff. Get some microneedling. Come on. But because they don't do face surgery to guys...

every guy that gets it done like Matt Gaetz looks like a chick, like a cat chick. Like, yeah. Have you even ever like tried to do a filter on a, like a photo where there's you and a guy in it and it makes the guy look worse? Yeah.

Well, like, like, plastic surgery kind of feel like even like a skin smoothing or like anything like it makes the man look worse. Always like it's not for men like it. Wow. One thing bad. Yeah. Even like even like if you try to remove wrinkles or something, I just like it makes them look like

And you don't want to make a man look pretty. Well, I asked ChatGPT why it's bad. And first it went through this whole thing about do you mean like it's like societally perceived as bad? And I go, no, it actually looks like shit.

And so he said, or Chad GPT said, number one, male facial structure is less forgiving, which is hilarious. That's true. Ice cold, Chad GPT. It's because men have sharper angles and less volume in their face. So like small changes like overfilling or tightening can dramatically alter the face and easily look unnatural. And then it says less room for error.

Female faces tend to be rounder and fuller, which can better absorb procedures like fillers or facelifts. And men, missteps are more obvious. And then number two is feminization from common procedures, which is what you mentioned. Like it makes them look feminine. So like filler placement and Botox, those methods are meant to feminize women.

And so like the way we know how to like the way how like how injectors and stuff know how to use filler and Botox is just clashes with male features. And then I work with the cat stuff. It said this can make a man look wide eyed or effeminate if done with the wrong technique, whereas it's more expected and accepted in female faces. And then it says, you know, and it's also says surgery techniques are often female centric.

and age makes a bigger difference for men. Aging in men is often seen as distinguished or sexy. When men try to erase all signs of age, it can backfire because they're fighting against what's culturally attractive in aging men. Women are more expected to fight aging, so the same interventions appear less jarring. Yeah. Yeah, and...

Right.

Yeah. So like, we'll like, we'll bleed out on a table because no one did a test on us. Yeah. But, uh, we look good because we got that filler baby. Yeah. But our cheeks are behind. We got that lip flip. We got that Botox. Okay. Oh no. And then, and then I said at the end of it, it said, want some celebrity examples where this has worked or failed.

failed and then I offered I offered failed Johnny Resnick and I apologize because I'm really I don't want to be mean I really love the Goo Goo Dolls but that's it just I don't know what went wrong there and he said yes Johnny Resnick is often cited as an example where cosmetic procedures visibly altered his appearance in a way that fans found unsettling that's mean it is and then it goes here's a breakdown of what likely went wrong and it breaks down what

It breaks down his face. Damn, ChachiBT. We just wasted one Olympic swimming pool of water. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, good. Yeah. Oh, good. I know. That's tough. I know. That's tough. And you can't really undo that. Wait, young Johnny Resnick. Wait, let me look.

young Johnny Resnick. He looked feminine, which I like. I like when a guy looks feminine. Young Johnny Resnick is one of the... He's John Resnick. He did look feminine. He looks like a lesbian, but I'm into that. He kind of looks like Melissa Etheridge a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's so gorgeous. Finger me. Yeah, and he has the little chin dimple, which I really am a sucker for. Oh, yeah, that chin dimple. Yeah, or he has that Bon Jovi look a little bit.

He's gorgeous. He ain't no Eddie Vedder though. Dude, Eddie Vedder in the 90s. Do you think you could, like, I've never been able to like, I like Johnny Resnick the best. To like come from a thought, but if I think of Eddie Vedder in the 90s on stage with like a white tank and like holding the microphone cord and just charging at me, young Eddie. Because Johnny Resnick to me and like his Goofy House songs are beautiful. What? He's high. What the fuck? Grunge? What the fuck, Eddie? It's like he, oh!

The grunge look really does it for me. You know when you're at a strip club and the guys are too into it and you're like, I'm scared to be near you? That's how I feel about Eddie Vedder. Yeah. God damn it. He's pretty hot. He is. And the way he sings...

Yeah. And, and it's interesting. He has long curly hair, which is my, I'm a sucker for on men. Yeah. And he, Oh Jesus. But they, it's so funny. Him and Johnny Resnick, young Johnny Resnick do have these feminine. I just love guys that are like feminine, masculine. I don't know. I look at that. Yeah. Jesus Christ. But,

But see, androgyny is different now. Like I was actually riding the subway here and I was next to a guy. And like, so there's this thing going on. I don't know if it's going on in other cities. I'm guessing it's probably going on in Portland and shit. But like there's like this Brooklyn like look where every all these men now look like they're a member of a barbershop quartet. And it's like they're they're very.

which I like pale guys, but not in a good way. Like not like in a vampiric or like machine gun Kelly way. It's just like in a, like in a, like you need some vitamin D. It's just like I'm inside like playing video games kind of way. And they're only, it's like a lot of the guys are only doing mustache now.

And first of all, even if you're like a 10 to pull off just mustache is really difficult. But these guys who are like five and a half are trying to do only mustache. And like it was actually making me feel uncomfortable sitting next to this guy on the subway. Wow. Because he had only mustache. And I'm like...

Why are you doing this? Yeah. What does the rest of the look look like? Is it, it's like Barbara, it's like slick back hair. It's not slick. It's just like a big bushy brown mustache. It's like a, hey honey, you want to get a soda pop? It's such a bad look. There are so few people who can pull off only mustache. I mean, Freddie Mercury is the only one that comes to mind.

And he had a great face. But he also, like, he's gay, so he has a little more room. Well, he might have been bi, I don't know. But he's definitely fucking men in some way. Yeah, he was. So he has a little more room. And also, he's an entertainer. So a little more room for...

You know, and it was like the 70s. Yeah. Yeah. Just mustaches. Yeah. Just being a regular guy with a mustache. Wait. So wait. Who's that character that the really overly sexual character that Norm MacDonald used to play? Oh, Donald Glover does it well. On. On. But if he took it off, I think he would be hotter. Yeah. Donald Glover's hot. Whatever he does. He could fucking have an ass on his face and I'd be like, let's make out.

Yeah, the weekend. Burt Reynolds? Yes, Burt Reynolds. Wait, Tom Selleck. Tom Selleck. So Burt Reynolds. That's a daddy. Yeah, Tom Selleck. Yes, Tom Selleck. Brad Pitt, although it does look a little. I don't like that at all. He looks terrible. Oh, Nick Offerman. Very famous just to speak in. No, he's not. He's got a mustache look to him. Yeah. Sure.

Yeah. There's like some guys who just are like Hulk Hogan. No, I mean Hulk Hogan. Like that's part of his like character. Henry Cavill again could have an asshole on his face and I'd be like, you're the hottest. Henry Cavill is like that. But like, that's like we're talking how hot you have to be to be able to pull off only mustache Clark Gable. Yeah. Yeah. So this is what it reminds me of. Like the Clark Gable look and Clark.

Gable's mustache is like a very small specific like he's a small curated mustache not a big bushy mustache yeah the big bushy yeah yeah Burt Reynolds it works there we go Freddie Mercury yeah Freddie Mercury but yeah it makes you know it does oh my god Chris Evans ooh

Ew. Don't ever do that, Chris Evans. See, a lot of the guys end up looking like Chris Evans with a mustache. Oh, yeah. Eddie Murphy does rock the just the stache, which is the little chin thing. Yeah. It's... Salvador Dali. Very, very famous. Oh, God. When people in Brooklyn have the Salvador Dali mustache, I'm like... But you know they make a mean gazpacho. Yeah. They have to... I'm like, you have to have an outstanding talent if you have a mustache like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean... Or be a barber. Yeah.

yeah yeah well that's your that could be your talent just like if you have that kind of a mustache you need a pronounced like it's like if you're gonna be a like you know how when a woman's a bitch like she has to better be really hot yeah and i get really mad when ugly chicks are bitches it's like that it's like that well when you're ugly on the inside yeah

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Oh, my God. Yeah, you better have. We should do it. Okay, we should pitch a reality show. I know we've pitched so many.

where it's only guys with mustaches haunting me and it could be called this mustache got talent and we just take guys off the street that just have a mustache mustache ride as I think the name and then we say what's your talent because you got a mustache like you have one so show it I mean this can you cook me breakfast I almost said something to him because he was also he's sitting way too close to me and he kept picking stuff off his head ew and I was like what are you doing ew ugh a guy last night I

You know how sometimes your energy changes? Every girl I know has had this. You've had this too. Where it's just a weird period in your life. Maybe it's a couple weeks. Maybe it's a couple months where every ex of yours contacts you. Or guys are really attracted to you. So I'm in this period where I'm getting hit on by hot women. Love it. Thumbs up. And I'm like, I don't know what to do with this because...

I don't know what to do with it, but I like it. But also, like, creepy guys. But there was a guy last night on the subway. We were walking down in Union Square, and the cops, as you say many times in your mayoral platform video, that you should have fucking run on the platform. We're fine. We're fine. I'm not mad. I'm very fucking mad. But the cops were always on their phones. So there's two NYPD officers. They were both so...

comedically on their phone. Right. And it was very funny to me because one guy was like looking really close to his phone. The other guy was holding his phone far away. And I'm like, you gotta get off your phone. That also makes me worry like their vision is not good from being on the phone so much. Correctamundo. Anyway, me and this guy were walking down to the platform as we were passing these two officers. And I thought he was looking at the officers too. He was laughing. I thought he was laughing at the cops on their phone. I'm like, yeah, that's crazy, right? They gotta get off their phone or something.

And then he took that as an invitation as if I said, hey, can you finger my pussy on the subway? That's why women are rude to men because once you acknowledge them, they take that as a pussy pass. They really do. They really do. And he sat – I sat in one of those two-person subway seats in the corner. And if you're me, look straight ahead. See, this is where you got to watch the video for. This is how he sat. We're doing act outs now to make you go to the YouTube. Yeah, this is how he sat.

Oh my God. Oh my God. That's so close, Christina. And he wasn't blinking. And I was like, oh, game on, motherfucker. Two could play at this game. And then he started telling me about all the guns he has. And I go, and I go, and I go, but listen, I don't know what got it. I don't know what got it. I feel like lately I've been like sticking up for people like on the streets and stuff. It's been very fun. I've really enjoyed it. But I go, so here's what we're going to do.

I'm going to get off at the next stop and you're going to stay the fuck on the subway card. Do you understand me? And he started laughing and I go, I'm going to take that as a yes. And if that's not a yes, we're going to have a big problem. Okay. And, uh, and I, I,

And then I left and he stayed on the subway and I was like, got it. But it was great. I was very excited. So now choose your own adventure. Let's let's let's channel to choose your own adventure books. What those books? What would have been the problem that you would have created? How do you follow you? I would have yelled. I would have yelled. That's wrong. No, I would yell fire. Fire. Sorry. Sorry. I know you taught me better than that. You taught me better than that. Mayor Fisher. No, it was crowded. It was like.

midnight or 1am or something but like there was enough people I'll make a scene I'll get fucked right and yeah and I watched him well so I got off the subway car and I stood at the door and I watched him like Mike Myers stay there yes precisely Corinne and I watch him I go stay on there stay stay like he was a fucking dog and he wasn't I'm so sorry no offense to dogs yeah no offense to all dogs listening yeah dogs are incredible this man was trash but yeah

So my point is I really got it this past couple weeks. I'm proud of you. Yeah. Well, this reminds me of something that I didn't talk about because I didn't want to tarnish my mayoral campaign. Name names. Name names. No, but I also had an incident on the subway. So this was like, I don't know, maybe like a month, month and a half ago. I was coming back from my salon and

And the salon I go to is right near an Auntie Anne's. Oh, lucky bitch. Yeah. So every like month and a half when I get my hair done, it's a tradition after I'm done. And I have to sit in the chair for like four or five hours because I have extensions. So it just takes forever. I go and get an Auntie Anne's pretzel. Afterwards. Yeah.

Oh, that's good.

Yeah, no. So I went to the Auntie Anne's and right next to the Auntie Anne's is a McDonald's. So I always get Fountain Diet Coke because McDonald's has the best Diet Coke.

And so I'm on the subway and I have a Auntie Anne's bag and a McDonald's Diet Coke. I look very capitalist, you know, or fun. Yeah, I agree with you. I was like, whatever, you know, and there's all these like companies like I can't I never I can never keep track of like on the left what companies were not shopping at this week. So I just can't I can't I can't do that. And I this guy comes on with a mask and he's

Like a COVID mask? Yeah. A medical mask? Yeah. Okay. And I don't want to say anything hurtful against people with masks because there are some people I know who are like getting over cancer or actually have an actual something wrong with them. But

This was just a guy who was doing it to be annoying. You could tell. There's a different type of person that does it because they're annoying. And so he gets on and he also has like some tiny dog in a bag. I just like, it's not a lot. It's just a lot. And I feel like immediately is like staring at me.

Fun. And I was like very on edge during the campaign because like everyone was so combative like on the street or whatever. And he fucking what else? And then he's just like looking at me and then he like very obviously takes a picture of me. And

I don't know. I don't want to be overreactive because like I do have to remind myself like I'm a little bit famous. So I guess like I never assume it's that though. I've had people do that to me and I go, what the fuck did you just do? I don't either. Ask me. But I had to like calm myself down. So I was like, okay, well,

I have to like stop and remind myself that I'm like, okay, well, first of all, you're fucking running for mayor. And then second of all, you're also like, you know, you also like some people know you as a comedian and a podcaster. So like, I tried to talk myself down from like what it could be. Cause I'm like, what? Like, I'm not doing anything. Like I'm not doing anything. Like, and then I was like, and I was like looking and I was like, well, I'm standing like where, if there was someone with a wheelchair, like in that standing zone where, you know, the holding the rail that you hold. Yeah. And I was like, is he,

because I'm like standing in the handicapped area. Or he's like, that girl's got the right idea with the Annie Ann's and McDonald's. No, the look on his face was bad. And I was like, you know, that's not like in New York, we stand wherever. And then if someone gets on who needs the space, we move. Like I was literally standing. I'm not even sitting in a wheelchair like space. So I was just like, what?

And then I was like, is he taking a picture of me because I have two like capitalist brand names? I'm like, what could possibly be

Cause I could just see he was like a super far left person who was taking a gotcha pic. And I was just trying to get to, just for my, I was just so curious. The man in the mask with the tiny dog in the bag that looks obnoxious is taking a fucking photo of you. I was just so curious what it was. Did you ever get a, did you ever, how did it end?

I, well, first of all, I took my phone out and then really obviously took a photo of him. Good. Good. And then as I walked off the subway, I leaned really close into my face and I said, don't fucking take pictures of people without asking. And I walked off. Yeah. Cause I'm like, good. Someone who's wearing a mask is going to scare easily. Um,

And again, you hurt my feelings. I don't know. I don't know. Like this might be like a New York specific thing, but like there there just isn't a type of person who is wearing a mask to be to say I'm better than you and I care about COVID more than you because unlike you, I still remember it's a thing. And so I don't know what's going on in other cities, but I just want to explain to listeners. Obviously, you really have some kind of an autoimmune.

autoimmune issue. You can always tell though if they do. Yeah. Well, I know like what way they carry themselves. A comic that we know had just gotten over or you don't get over cancer, but it was in remission from cancer. And so she was wearing one really late and I'm like, there's reasons to, but again, visually, you know, if they're, you do. I'm like, I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah. I'm like, your only issue is that you think you're better than people. Yeah. Yeah.

And you're very much not. And that's what you're suffering from right now. I want to start carrying a mirror with me. Okay. That way, like if that guy did that to me or if the guy that was sitting close to me, I would just put the mirror up and go, do you see this? Yeah. Love that more. Yeah. And I was like, I just cannot. Taking a picture. And also, like if you're going to take a picture of someone, be stealth.

Right. What are you doing? Pretend you're scrolling. What are you doing? That's what I do. I pretend I'm scrolling. What are you doing? What are you doing? I was recording firefighters the other day putting water on a giant pile of trash, really giant pile of trash. It was very weird. And I was recording them, but I was acting like I was scrolling. Yeah, yeah. And I'm just like, this is fucking crazy. Eric, have you ever...

taking a picture? No, I was going back to the mustache. Has an older gay man ever taken a photo of you? Like a, like a, I'm sure. No. I could totally see that with his face. Maybe. I don't know, but I've gotten a lot of scary DMs. Like what? For men or women? When I was, when I was 17, I got, I was getting DMs from this woman who was, she was, she was a model at some agency and she kept trying to get me to come to her new year's party.

This just sounds fun. Yeah. Why'd you say no? Dumbass though. I was 17 and living in a different state. Oh yeah. The 17 is. Wow. Women can be creeps too. Yay. Was it obvious that you were 17? You look 17 now. It was in my bio and you could look. Yeah. Well, you could click the link in my thing and it would say how old I was on the modeling site. Is that legal? Oh.

Oh, that's acting. You legally can't say your age. You don't have to anyway. Yeah, I think modeling, you can do whatever. Yeah. But yeah, then she went on like a whole tirade of my DMs the next day saying that I was never going to work in Chicago again. She's going to message everybody. Ooh, female Harvey Weinstein over here. Yeah, exactly. And then I had another doctor. I had a doctor reaching out to me. Oh,

A female or a male? Male. He was like older and he was saying, he was like offering me Oxycontin to, uh, to do sex stuff with him.

Is that the way he said it? No. I will offer you Oxycontin to do sextant. It was long messages. How graphic did he get and what did he want you to do? Talk in your mouth? Pretty aggressive, yes. Wow. 100%. He's like, maybe I'll just blow you and I'll give you some Oxy. Wow, he's thought about that. Well, if you actually need some Oxy, him just blowing you wouldn't be that bad of a trade. No. Yeah, because then you get a blow job and drugs. Yeah, and I get to kind of zone out. You just close your eyes and pretend it's a girl. Guys.

Guys have that luxury. Well, every attractive young man I know has some, or even older, has some horrific story about usually like one of their mom's friends doing something like so inappropriate with them. Yeah, yeah. I actually know, like the women I know who were assaulted or raped or anything, it's much, the stories are much worse. Of course. But if we're just playing a numbers game, I actually know more men who were sexually assaulted

Well, I guess mid-level sexually assaulted because like basically every woman was at least low-level sexually assaulted at some point in their life. And then if we're going like middle range, someone acting really inappropriate towards you, I know –

ton of men and then really really bad basically just women and like yeah I know a lot of guys who were when they were like 12 13 the babysitter fucked them yeah that's rape I know like for me I think it was like 14 to 16 like a lot of guys I know in the 14 to 16 range like their mom's friend tried to like jerk them off or something yeah yeah yeah yeah and you're like I know a couple of those stories yeah I know so many guys with stories like that and you're like what the fuck is going on

I think I'm lucky I'm a late bloomer. I felt terrible at the time. You felt terrible? Everyone else is going through puberty and I felt behind. I was not tall yet and I have armpit hair.

I'm glad you have it now. Yeah, at least you have it now. Wait, are you saying that you like the sexual harassment? No, I'm saying that I'm happy I was a later bloomer because it probably negated some of that. Oh, I see what you're saying. Okay. Yeah, getting titties when you're 12. It's not fun. It's not fun. I mean, I wouldn't know, but yeah. One day. One day. Okay.

One day more. You went through a period where you were like, I just want to show up to Christmas one year with just tits. Like rock hard tits. Remember you said that? You were considering getting, maybe it was just a bit. Oh, I would never wanted rock hard tits. I would get the teardrop ones that sag actually. Oh yeah? Yeah. Well yeah, because I don't like the rock hard ones at all. My friend has the best fake tits. You got to get gummy bear teardrop style. Gummy bear teardrop.

Yeah. Right. Cause it's like a little semblance of natural. Yeah. No, I mean the problem is I, it would look better in clothes, but I feel like my tits are so symmetrical naked and I was really worried that they would not be symmetrical. And also the part where you have to get the implant plant changed out every 10 years. Oh, you do? That's too much. That's too much. That's too frequently. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. That's nuts. Yeah. Um,

For those reasons, sharks, I'm out. I will not be investing in your titties, madam. One more thing on the cosmetic surgery. Did you guys ever see the chin implants that men get sometimes? That's the only one that can look normal.

I think the calf ones can look normal, can't they? The calf? Oh, yeah. I forgot about that. They do. The bicep ones I've never seen look normal. Men get their calves so much. Wait, chin implants are great, you guys. Yeah, the chin implants. Wait, that guy just looks like shit. Some people get their chins too sharp. Chin augmentation? Oh, that looks way – yeah, that guy looks way better. Yeah.

Those are the ones that look normal. Yeah, like in the left picture with the chin that like basically his neck just goes from his clavicles to the chin. It does look a lot better, but also he's so underwhelming to look at either way that you're almost like, what's the difference? That guy looks – yeah, that guy looks – he got a bunch of work done. But see, that looks good. Wait, what's the before and what's the after for this guy? That's before and that's after. Oh, I like – Because he's got his nose done. Oh, I actually like him –

I like his chin before. Well, you can't make your chin muscle because there's no like muscle there. Yeah. Well, there kind of is. Because you know how you do like face yoga?

I mean, I know that it exists. I don't know. You've never done it? I have done it. Me either. A lot of shit like that I don't think actually works. I don't know. I spend a lot of time like reading about stuff and I'm like, I think a lot of these are fake. Yeah, probably. The big one right now for men is the, I don't know if you've seen this, but it's the heightening surgery where they break your femurs and your shins. They put like these bandages.

bolts that stick out. Yeah. What? Yeah. And every day you crank it like a millimeter. Yeah. And you can get like

four to six inches taller. That's actually incredible. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Six inches is a lot. I didn't know you could go that much. It's stretching the bone? They break your bones in your legs and then they stretch them apart and then they grow longer. They grow to meet each other. I see, I see. Can they walk during any of this? No. It's a long process. It's extremely painful, I guess. I wonder how common that is.

What kind of person? You've got to really be short. But then if you're really short, you've got to not be able to walk for a long-ass time because you want to get that much taller. The shorter you are, the taller you want to get. I feel like if you're a guy who's 5'2", though, that's going to change your life. But imagine you do all that work and then you're still only 5'8", and everyone still disrespects you. No.

Then you go on a shooting rampage. America, my heightening surgery didn't work. I think if you're that short, just develop a talent. Yeah. Don't break your bones. Eat a girl out. Oh, I meant like sing. Or like paint. Indoor pussy? But also that. But also that. Develop a talent, grow a mustache. The second ever episode of Guys We Fucked. Nico. Nico.

He was pretty short. Yeah, but he's one of the hottest guys. Oh, he's so hot. It's different. I was thinking about him the other day, actually. It's rare that I think like exes. There's only a couple I think about that. I'm like, that was fun. He's one of them. Yeah. Do jujitsu.

Good for us. Anyway, this is a solo episode if you haven't caught on by now. And now our guest. It's a doctor. It's us, but with medical enhancements. It's us. One second.

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We did a mediumship exercise and this girl's dead mom, like another person got impressions of this other girl's dead mom. One woman was in Ireland. The other woman was – she was in Alaska maybe. And yeah, I'm like fucking A. Anybody can do this shit. So it's really cool. And then we just – the other Zooms are like group therapy-esque. And they're really good. It's really good. Patreon.com slash Christina Hutchinson. It's a space that I'm very proud of and happy to do and I think that you would enjoy it.

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It's been a minute. It's huge. Everyone's so happy. They've made it to the semifinals of the Eastern Conference, which hasn't happened in 25 years. Right. It hasn't happened. Crazy. The team captain is Jalen Brunson. His dad actually played on the Knicks years and years and years ago, Rick Brunson. That's cool. And you went to one of the games. Yeah, I went – was it –

I guess. There's so many celebs there. You had like a good seat. You had a celebrity seat. No, I didn't have a celebrity seat, but I had, I had, I had a good seat, but it was not a celebrity seat. You know what? It keeps having celebrity seats. Fucking Emilio Savone. The fuck?

He was sitting behind Lenny Kravitz this weekend and Ben Stiller, like the role behind. And I was like, I saw him on TV and I was like, and I was like, why are you sitting like so close to Timothy Chalamet? Homeless surfer chic. Yeah. I saw him last night. Yeah. It was, uh, yeah, it was incredible. So, but, uh, yep. It's a big thing anyway. So without a country, uh, Wednesday. Oh,

They start the next round, so they're playing the Indiana Pacers now. Cool. They defeated, first round they defeated the Detroit Pistons, and then they just defeated the Boston Celtics, which was huge. That's a big one. Big rivalry. Yeah. Fuck you, Boston, and fuck you, Dave Portnoy. Sorry, I love performing in Boston, but you guys are fucking so annoying. Yeah, you're like Philadelphia's meth brother. Yeah, yeah. Like, it's not. As sports fans, you're very, very annoying. When the bars let out in Boston at 2 a.m., I run inside.

It is literal stampede. Yeah. It's very scary. Yeah. And Dave Portnoy was talking a lot of smack, but... Bye. Oh, sunk it. Go eat your pizza. Bye, bitch. My brother loves his pizza show. Eric, do you have anything to promote? Yes, I do. I'll be in Phoenix. Actually, I'll say this first because this is more important. One day I'll get this right. This is more important than the show. I was so excited when you started Phoenix. I know. We need more...

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We rode around on those animals. That was so fun. We went for Tommy's birthday last year. Oh, that's a great field trip. Me, Tommy, and Grant. It was so fun. It's a great field trip. Okay. And again, sorryaboutlastnightshow at gmail.com. That's where you send all of your dilemmas to. We love you, baby. Let's get into it. Let's read some emails.

First subject line. My best friend and I broke up over her affair. Now she has a new best friend. All right. Well, I mean, that's obviously going to happen. Yeah, that's how it goes. Hi, Kurt and Christina. I am a 32-year-old female from Melbourne, Australia. I have been listening to your show since I was 23, and you're our daughter. But I'm going to tell you a story.

Back in 2015 when I was living in London, commuting for hours a day, I discovered you and have religiously listened ever since. Oh, thank you. Thank you for your vulnerability and honesty for all these years. And showing up for your listeners, I can truly say you've played a massive part in raising me. I've wanted to write him for years, and after listening to the recent episodes of Friendship Breakups, I thought this could be the perfect time to write about my friendship breakup with my bestie of nine years.

Apologies in advance. It's a long email. I had to cut a bit out. Hopefully this captures how diabolical my ex-friend is. I met my now ex-best friend, 34 female, let's call her Sasha, while I was living in London 10 years ago now. We had both moved without knowing a single soul, met each other only a few days into both of us arriving, and we're inseparable ever since. See, I feel like friend breakups always happen when you're like, just like fucking...

like you're just obsessed with each other. Well, because that's always a recipe for a friend. It's also a recipe though, to abuse when, to abuse when you're in it. It's like, this is like, you know how, when you're in a bad relationship with a man and they like make you cut off all your friends. Yeah. Well, you're starting off like that when you only know each other. Yeah. Yeah. It's like a perfect recipe for disaster. Yeah.

We were there for each other through the tough London winters, being homesick for our families, heartbreaks, weekends of partying and hangovers. After a couple of years, she moved back to Melbourne with her boyfriend and I moved back to Brisbane.

When we were both back in Australia, we messaged nearly every day and would visit each other a couple times a year. At the end of 2021, my boyfriend and I moved to Melbourne. I was finishing university, and we both needed a change from Brisbane with better job opportunities. By the time we moved, Sasha had gotten engaged to her boyfriend. They were planning a wedding for April 2023. There were quite a few cracks in their relationship even before they got engaged.

Sasha had been on a 12-month health journey. She lost about 25 kilograms. How much is that in pounds? I think that's a lot. Yeah. Wait, let's look it up. Because kilograms is... Who are the fucking only country that does inches, miles, and pounds? Like, fuck off, America. That's 55 pounds. Whoa, okay, that's good. Okay, girl, get on your health journey. She can't stay with that fiance. She's about to upgrade.

Why were you engaged in the first place?

I know. Why is she? That sounds terrible. About six months before the wedding in April, Sasha told me that she'd been having an emotional affair with someone from her gym, a married guy with a nine-year-old kid. His wife also went to the gym, but Sasha didn't interact with her much. No shit. Nothing physical had happened, but they were flirting at the gym, messaging and sending photos on Instagram. At the end of 2022, Sasha's wedding was called off, but the affair wasn't.

This affair started leaking into her professional life. She would leave work early without telling anyone so she could make the same gym class as him. Girl, just wait. She would have a meltdown if he went on a family holiday and didn't message her for days on end. Yeah, that's what happens when you fuck a married guy. She would freak out if his energy seemed off at the gym class, maybe because his wife was also there. What? Oh, no!

No, girl! She went on a gym class with his wife? Oh my God. That's rude as hell. That's rude as hell. Oh my God. If I was his wife, I'd smack you in the face. But also, why are a husband and wife going to the same gym class? Yeah, it's pretty weird. You can't be doing so much together. Yeah, it's weird. It's too much. She would call me at 7 a.m. having a panic attack that she was so behind at work and thought she'd get fired. This happened multiple times.

I spoke to her about putting an end to it. She deserves someone who would get... It's the way she wrote that. It made it seem like our life. Here's a gun. Kill yourself. She deserves someone who would give her 100% of their attention, not breadcrumbs. As a friend, I will always be in your corner. But that also means I will tell you the truth and give you some hard realities. You seem annoying. Nah, that's a good friend.

friend no i told her anytime someone says i'm a person who tells it like it is well that's true when you do announce that you're annoying um you're you're telling me you're going too much one thing about me i tell it like it is yeah one thing about me i feel like a fat cunt i'm gonna tell you in your face in front of your kids fuck off and your husband and i fucked him i'm just i'm just rosie i don't know i told her it will all come out and she'd need to find a new gym new friend group etc and

She felt like she had to put a stop to the situation, so she tried. Until Sasha called me one morning needing to tell me something. She was nervous to tell me that her and the gym guy had booked a sauna together and hooked up. At the gym? I fucking hope not, but I guess so.

Because I don't know. Book de sauna is like a different language than we use here in the States. Right, right. So I don't know exactly. I mean, obviously I know what a sauna is, but I don't know what book de sauna means. Because it's like they're open to everyone at the same time. You don't book them here. But maybe there you can. Ew. Ew, those have so much jizz on them, I bet. I felt like our conversations went in circles. I told her I was worried about her. She already wasn't coping when it was just messages, and now it's turned physical. How was she going to handle it? She'd been at, I mean, that's her problem.

problem. She'd been at rock bottom with her mental health. Okay. So she, she basically was like not helping herself in any way and making it worse. She'd been at rock bottom with her mental health, had made plans to cut it off and then taken it one step further. Did she, did she not feel bad, guilty? She told me she didn't. I mean, that's,

Okay, she's being honest. That's how she feels. You can't get mad at her for that. It is what it is. Yeah, you can't make someone feel guilty over something that they don't feel guilty about. She was actually worried about how he was feeling as he stressed about the situation progressing. And then she befriended the wife. No! That's so cunty. That's rude. So cunty. That's rude. That happens often, though. That's fucked up. If that happened to me...

I can't legally say what I would do. If I was the guy, I would cut it off immediately if that happened. You're a better man than him. But then the diabolical friend would probably tell the wife. Yeah, it would be like Gone Girl or something. Wasn't that an affair? I don't know. And then she befriended the wife. She started going for coffee and walks with her during her lunch break. They lived slash worked close. She'd go out. Oh, this girl's scruffy.

she'd go over for dinner ran marathons together that's no small feat she started going on family trips away with them and their kid include oh she's gonna murder someone including an overseas trip to japan together diabolical yeah this is a crazy picture you should be very happy that she found a new best friend yeah that poor i hope that new best friend is this guy's wife yeah it might be sounds like it though

She wasn't exactly telling me all of this. I wasn't the friend to go to. Well, because that's what that's the mistake you made when you said I'm the friend who's going to tell you like it is. You got to just be quiet and get more information. That's true. And hype her up with her new best friend and her secret boyfriend. So how did I know all this? Well, she wasn't telling me what she was up to. She was posting on Instagram a lot. Oh, no, she's psycho, but kind of

Dumb. A lot, including candid photos of the husband, photos of their kid together and wife. She'd become completely enmeshed in their lives and seemed to almost be flaunting it. Whoa. And no, I was just going to say, maybe they're in a throuple. And no, they weren't in a throuple. I did ask her. Ha ha. Thanks for clarifying. Because honestly, I'm like, my naive ass was like, maybe they're all three dating and everything's great.

Nope. Here's how it impacted our friendship. I mean, she's just a bad person. For the next 12 months of our friendship, she slowly started to not show up for me. Yeah, because she was busy hanging out with the guy she was fucking's wife. Seems like she has a lot on her plate. She's got a lot. That's a lot of energy. She would bail on get-togethers I hosted, which she used to always come to, to go away with her new family, the gym guy, wife, and their kid. That is crazy. Wow. That is so crazy. How did she not? Okay.

Wow. Okay. That's crazy. She showed up late to her birthday, to her birthday present I'd organized, which she meant she only got 20 minutes of a nearly hour long psychic reading. Okay. So you're crazy. Girl, she only needs 20 minutes for that psychic to go. You're too fucked up. I'm going to give you a refund. That also feels like a really backhanded gift for someone who's this diabolical.

I can't, maybe you won't listen to me tell it like it is. So listen to the psychic tell you like it is. It's like, it's like, is she like Christina where she like likes psychics or is this something you just pulled out of your butt? Cause then that's rude. It's kind of funny though. So you just started using LinkedIn premium. Now what? Well, on your premium company page, you noticed around seven and a half times more page engagement and five times more page views. Well done. And now new clients are messaging you.

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That's code perfectmanny20 for 20% off at oliveandjune.com slash perfectmanny20. She actually told me that I didn't make the cut on her Instagram birthday. Huh? Highlight reel. Oh, okay. Even though I showed up and paid for her birthday dinner. Jesus. She double booked looking after my dog for a month because she booked a trip at the same time and didn't tell me.

I mean, you should not leave a living creature with this woman. Never. Our interactions were basically messages through the week about surface level stuff. That's so depressing. She would come over on a Sunday for dinner and trauma dump about how shit she felt because he's giving her breadcrumbs. You went to Japan with a family. Yeah. She, that's not a breadcrumb. That's a fucked up weird. I don't even know what that is. Yeah. And it's like, how? And it's like, the husband's just fine with that. That's crazy. Yeah.

that's crazy that they're not in a throuple if she's doing that yeah it is crazy and i'm like it's like are they are they is he secretly fucking both people on these trips like what's the arrangement here i hope they're in a throuple and they're all fucking and it's all great she never invited me over to her house yeah no shit when we did hang out i felt like she was holding back not telling me anything about what was actually going on in her life because she didn't want me to judge her which i

I really tried not to. You failed. You were judging her really hard. Yeah, you failed. That's all right. You wrote us an entire email. I would judge her too. It's fine. Right. It's okay. I don't blame you. It's okay, but I also understand why she wasn't telling you anything. Own it. Judge her. She deserves it for the first good while, but it becomes exhausting when you feel like your only purpose in the friendship is to be an emotional dumping ground when the other person is posting highlight reels on Instagram of the new family where she's leading a double life. I mean, this happens.

It happens in girl friendships all the time. It just happens that this is like an exceptionally weird one. But like this dynamic of like you become the dumping ground for someone's relationship gone awry. I mean like that's just – that's like every heterosexual girl or woman goes through that. Yeah. During periods. That's true. It just happens.

I'm not saying it's great, but... It's not great. Yeah. We had a couple of conversations where we both tried to explain our side of how we were feeling. They just went in circles. I explained at the end of the day I was just worried that when it all comes out, she's going to have all this rebuilding to do and that our friendship just wasn't the same anymore.

She said she knew that, but she was still going to do what she wanted to do. Seems like that's kind of her MO. Yeah. Uh, we saw each other for the last time in February, 2024. We went for a walk and grabbed a coffee. The conversation was the same. She told me her mental health was the worst it's ever been. I asked her if she wanted to talk about it. She said, no, I know it's my own fault. Uh,

Oh, she said, no, I know it's my own fault. Okay, well, at least she knows, I guess. After that, we just didn't message each other. She wished me a happy birthday a few months later, and that's it. I treasured our friendship for the time we had, but looking back, I see a lot of selfish traits in her. I mean, it doesn't seem like you treasured any of this part. No, that part sucked. But the part where you're both in London, that was fun. That was a fun... Because that was a cool time in your life where you're in a different country, and you only knew each other, and that's like... It's...

It's friendship wise. It's very romantic. Yeah. I think this is a friend you needed for a season in your life. Yeah. The whole thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And the need for male validation. As far as I know, the affair is still going on and she's constantly posting on Instagram. It's like, oh my God, I kind of want you to give me. I know me too. I'm not. I want to see it so bad. Sometimes I do miss her, but our friendship just wasn't the same when it started. Our values are very different now. Yeah. I don't value friends who sleep with other with friends, husbands.

It'll be interesting to see what happens when it all comes out, as it always does. If this gets right on the podcast, thank you. It'll be the highlight of my year. Love always. A very loyal fucker. That was a wild. That's fascinating. Please tell Sean this is Instagram. So wait, I guess I'm not as familiar with.

With the woman fucking a husband who's married, a guy who's married and then befriending the wife. This is like a dynamic you've seen. Well, yeah. I mean, and it also like, so she could like feel less guilt. And often like the new, the new girlfriend will try to befriend the old girlfriend who she's always like living in the shadow of like, this is a very, and I don't really know where this comes from. I certainly have like looked at my, at a boyfriend's ex girlfriends. Cause I think it's interesting to see how,

like what they like to see if they're like, I'm to see if they're like continuing a pattern and I'm similar. If they took a hard turn, turn, like, like, do they like women who, um, are like very career oriented? Do they like, uh,

granola girl. I just, I'm, I'm always just curious to see what kind of a person they dated. I think that's very interesting. Um, and I have no problem telling them about who I dated in the past. Yeah. Um, so it's,

It's on the internet. Yeah. Well, I mean, like it'd be sometimes harder to track like exactly who it was, I guess. And yeah, men don't, men do not research unless they're serial killers. They really don't. They really don't. They really don't care. I wish they did. What's the most you've ever researched someone else that you're, that like an ex was dating? When he friended me on Facebook,

This was – I was younger. I was like maybe 21 and that was a bizarre experience. Wait. Were you dating the girl at the time and that was her ex? Was he the ex or was he the new boyfriend? No. I was the ex. And the new boyfriend friended you. Was he hot? Was he handsome? Yeah. He friended me. I don't know if he did it to troll me or what, but that relationship didn't last very long. Did you break up with her or did she break up with you? I broke up with her.

I guess that's the way to say it, but I don't know. We dated in high school and then a bit in college, and then it kind of fizzled out because she lived somewhere else. Was he hot, the new boyfriend? I don't know. He's fine. Was he handsome? He was like a tall, lanky artist guy.

Okay, that could go either way. Yeah, it's like fine. Men need to be like, I want men to have a class, like straight guys need to take a class of like, this is how you identify another guy's hot when a woman asks you this question. They know. They just don't want to seem gay. That's so dumb. Who cares? Culturally homophobic. Joke's on y'all. I think it's hot. I feel like I could be like, that's an attractive man. Would you suck his dick, Eric? Would I suck his dick? I'd have to see it first. How big was it? You'd need to see it. Good answer. Fair answer. All right.

The emails about other people's lives continue. Guys, we fucked. This subject line says, my sister is a 30-year-old virgin. Live your own life. Who cares? Hey, Corinne and Christina and Eric, too. Longtime Canadian fucker since 2017. I've loved listening to you two the entire time. I won't take up too much time singing your praises, but I thoroughly appreciate the... Nuisance? I don't know. Nuisance?

Okay. Tough love and open-minded opinions you two shared with, share with us. Nuances? Yeah, I think it's nuances. Yeah. I listened to a variety of female advice podcasts. Okay. Ew. And sometimes it's a bit tiring listening to the host trying to be overly kind and affirming when giving advice while you won't.

come across that problem here. Not a guys we fucked. Not a house of guys we fucked. I've already been rude five times. I haven't even gotten past the intro. Speaking to their audience, I appreciate that you don't treat us like fragile little babies. It's a nice show of respect or at least a dose of reality. Good. You have the right read on us. I know sometimes people read in after hearing us troll

or be very rude to so many other writers. And you guys write in thinking, I'm going to be different. They're going to not be nice. And I know that. And we're not doing it to be assholes. We just actually care more about

Your well-being, frankly. Yeah, you getting the advice that we need you to hear more than liking us. I think that's more important. I'd rather have you go out and be a good person in the world, even if that means you stop listening to the show, quite frankly. Because if we're playing the long game... Not all heroes wear capes. Sorry. That's better for us. In the short game, it's financially a wreck, but...

Yeah, but it doesn't seem to deter you. Yeah, then new people will just listen. It's fine. But yeah. No, I mean, like, I think, and I also think, like, yeah, like, that's the problem with, like, female advice shows. It's just, like, women being nice to other women. That gets us absolutely fucking nowhere. Like, women are mean to women so often, but in the wrong times. Yeah. We need to be mean and honest up front and directly in response to, like, your inquiries. Yeah, like. To your fucking face or on a microphone while you listen. Women are.

mean to other women when it only benefits men. We want to be mean to you when it benefits you. And that's what feminism is. Guys, you fucked. We're in for mayor. Anyway, on to the thing I'd like. Advice on which you can fully rip me into me for if need be, lol. Alright, we'll see. We'll see. The other year when I had a heart-to-heart sit-down with my younger sister, I learned that she was a virgin. Not only was she a virgin, but she had never dated anyone and hasn't even had a first kiss yet. This woman is fucking

30. I don't know why. That's not crazy to me. I also wonder how old is the writer? It's a wild world out there, girl. Yeah. I mean, not having a first kiss is a little... Not even in high school? Yeah, I guess so. Spin the bottle or anything? I was getting fingered.

I mean, what? I gently asked if she was possibly a lesbian or asexual. I thought asexual. Sure. And she remarked she's neither, but that the few guys she took, I mean, took a bit of a shine to turned out to be gay. Like a liking to. Okay. Turned out to be gay. LOL. Okay. Well, that happens. Yeah, it does happen. I still have crushes on gay guys. Yeah, it's happened to me. And I very much know they're gay. And I don't even like effeminate dudes at all. Um,

I had a feeling she was a virgin this whole time, but I'm surprised to hear that she hasn't dated anyone, let alone had a first kiss for Christ's sake. Yeah. I'm not even surprised by the hasn't dated anyone. The first kiss to me is like, that's a lot. Yeah. I'm like, is she just like really anxious or? Was there sexual trauma there? Yeah. Because in which case I get that.

You might be thinking, is she butt ugly? I was. I didn't want to say it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Highly autistic or just super weird as hell. Weird people. Weird people, but ugly people and autistic people. Yeah. There's a whole dating show with autistic people, and they're horny. Yeah. The answer to all that is no. She's obviously not a Victoria's Secret model. Okay, well, that's rude. But she's listening. She's obviously not Miranda Carr. That's so weird.

But she's pretty fashionable, charismatic, and thoughtful. Not to mention her career has really taken off. Well, that's hurting her. She's making a solid six figures now. That's a problem. That worse than being butt ugly. She's genuinely a catch.

Sounds like, yeah, sounds like it's got a lot of good attributes. So I proceeded to ask her what's the case. Why hasn't she tried dating? She told me it's because of religious trauma. Oh, that's real as hell, though. Interesting. Talk to anybody from Ireland who's an Irish Catholic. In the moment, I listened earnestly and I was sympathetic to her feelings. But, well, it's also like, wouldn't you guys, your sisters, wouldn't you have a bit of a similar upbringing?

Right. But in my head, I was perplexed at what the hell she's talking about. I understand some people might think I'm an asshole for not accepting her trauma instantly. But from my viewpoint, it's entirely self-inflicted. Which is that happens.

Well, and also, you know, as we've talked about many times on this show, two siblings, even, you know, in the, who grew up in the same household can have vastly different experiences. I know my brother and I have, have very different, um, experiences. I know you and your brother had different experiences. So I mean, I get it, uh, to give you some background, there are three of us. We have an older brother on the middle child, 32 female, and she's the youngest 30 female. We

Sounds nice. Yeah.

That's interesting. That's a true Christian. Yeah. With that being said, while my mother was very open with us about sex growing up and happily answered any questions we had, they still really emphasized with us that sex should be saved for marriage and how important the sanctity of marriage was for our future partners and for God. You lost me there. My brother took all of that with a grain of salt. He was a good looking. He was a whore. Yeah.

He was a good-looking, popular kid in both high school and university. I have no doubt that he was out getting laid. As for me, I took the whole saving myself till marriage thing pretty seriously, even though I was an incredibly horny teen. Girl, same. But I still pursued boys, made out with guys, and had relationships. Eventually, I realized that saving sex till marriage was fucking stupid, and I lost my virginity at 25. Okay, so...

Oh, wait. So that's only five years before your sister. Girl. Then that makes sense. You were a virgin until 25 and you're saying that... And you're kind of making fun of your sister for being 30. 25 is insanely old to be a virgin as well. I want to look at... I don't know what her sister's name is, but I want to look it up in her inbox to see like, oh my God, my sister was a virgin until she was 25. Like her other sister's writing about her. Yeah. Like...

That's also, that's also intense. Yeah. Um, and you have to remember younger generations are having less sex. So like you're a millennial, two years younger than you. She's not, she's still a millennial. I believe if she's 30 now, but you know, if she is much, you know, she's closer to Gen Z and these younger people are having less sex. That's been statistically researched or proven. Um,

Okay. So I lost my Virginia at 25 and had a really fun slut phase. My parents are fully aware that I'm not a virgin anymore. Tell them. Yeah. I mean, I don't even know. And while they don't let me and my long-term boyfriend sleep in the same room, when we visit them, they were 32 outside of that. That's weird. What? 32 years old. You can't sleep with your boyfriend. Uh, I know parents like, I mean, I, I mean, I don't think that some parents just have that really who aren't religious. Like, wow.

I mean, whatever your house. Okay. If I'm whatever, I certainly like will sleep with boyfriends at their parents' houses, but I should, to be honest, I don't fuck because it's disgusts me. Like if your parents are in the bed, like bedroom next to like, that's fucking gross. I do not want to have sex with you. I'm literally just cuddling. Yeah. Um,

My sister, on the other hand, took all of this extremely to heart. Oh, that you were a hoe? She believed that to be a good Christian, she had to adhere to extreme celibacy. She turned down a boy she liked to her grade school dance because she thought our parents didn't want her to date anyone. I legit remember my mom being so confused about why she turned him down. They never forbade us from dating anyone. At the most, my mom said she'd prefer if we waited until we were 15. Oh, which is a...

That's fair. That was my rule. She was strict with herself and didn't pursue anyone during high school or college because of this weird internalized Christian belief. I mean, also, like, think of all the times we've said things on the podcast and then how the audience has interpreted it completely wrong. So, I mean, you can say something matter-of-factly and it just goes through a filter in your own brain and you hear it differently. And you cling on to it. So your parents said the same thing to all three kids and all three of you interpreted it differently. Yeah.

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Because part of the filter that it's going through is the filter of how you are treated in society. So like, makes sense. The field she's in is very female dominated. So she wasn't introduced to many men that way either. And as a, and as for men at her church, well, let's just say that a hot take me and my sister share are that most Christian men kind of suck. Yeah. It's not Christian specific. Yeah. So a combination of man thing. Yeah.

Girl, get the Christian out of it. Yeah. So a combination of thinking she needed to stay pure for marriage and being surrounded by female coworkers and friends seemed to have led her to this extreme fear of pursuing a relationship. I'm sure as the years rolled by and she got older, it became harder and harder to actually try to go out and date. All right. Buckle up. It's fine to date when you're 30. Yeah, but she just...

Her sister's, the neural pathways in her brain were just formed very early about this one particular issue and she kind of clung to it. Yeah, and it also, you know, the longer you put off doing something, the scarier it gets. Totally. This is why I roll my eyes at my sister blaming religious trauma for her predicament. Me and my brother...

uh, took what my parents said as advice while she took it as law. She's a different person. So she has different sensibilities than you do. So that, yeah, I totally see how your, how your sister could take it that way and you could take it the other way. And just innately, like some people are more leaders and some people are more followers and she's just more of a follower, you know? Yeah. She was an incredibly anxious child growing up though. So I'm sure that plays a part. This reminds me of what Christina has said about her own up

bringing how even though her and her brother had, we just talked about this, her and her brother had the same parents. They both had vastly different interpretations of their childhoods. This is where I'm going to ask for advice on the one hand, what my sister does with her life is her business. Correct. Probably could stop there, but I was going to say there didn't need to be any more words after that. Yeah, but there's two paragraphs. Yeah, keep going. Um, if she truly didn't want any man and just wanted to live her best single life, I'd absolutely respect that being single is great, but from the way she speaks about it, it's clear that she would like a relationship with

one day I don't blame her I wouldn't be the person I am today without the relationships I've had me neither but not in the way that I think you're talking about I've had with men both positive and negative as much as men sometimes drive me insane I love men and I love love girl same I want her to be able to experience that or at the very least get laid for fuck's sakes I'm wondering if there's anything I can do to help her get over her fear of dating or if I should even do anything at all I've thought about maybe setting her up on a

blind date with one of my good male friends, not because I want them to get together, but so she can have the experience of being on a date with no expectations, like a test run. I would ask her before doing that. Yeah, definitely ask her. Like a double date. Perhaps it'll lessen her anxiety around it, or am I perhaps overstepping here? I'll happily accept any advice you two have for me. Thanks again, you two. Some people...

Everybody has their own individual amount of how important it is for them to be perceived as a good person. And I'm thinking that your sister has a higher amount of that than you. Because...

No, because she really took your mom's advice to heart of saving sex for marriage and the sanctity of it. She clung to her mother's words in a way that maybe gave her purpose and meaning. So to now be a whore and go around town and start fucking, that purpose and meaning is gone. And now what does she do with her life? She has no foundation kind of thing. But I think the writer also does care about being perceived as a good person. She's just, instead of putting it towards God, she's putting it as, I want to help my sister. Yeah.

No one wants to help other people this much. I do. I don't. No, sorry. I didn't mean I don't. I mean, I was going to go on to say like I don't.

I do believe that most people's want to help other people comes from something self-serving, even if it's like healing themselves. Sure, sure. I don't know. Like for me, you know, for me, for example, it comes from I think it's a responsibility that I have because I had a nice childhood. Right.

So I think everyone has like a reason why they want to do good things. I think for a lot of people, it's healing for a lot of people. It's like redoing, you know, bad things that happened to them. For some people, it's making them feel better than other people. Right. You know, I think there's like a reason, a lot of variations, you know, cause otherwise we should just, you know, I'll go out and have fun, you know, with all that'd be cool. Sometimes I like look at the Kardashians and I'm like, maybe they honestly have it right. No, they don't.

I think maybe they just have it right. Just like, yeah, just like get a ton of cosmetic surgery. Look, the be the hottest version of yourself in the land, which is not even a version of yourself that anyone from your grammar school would recognize. Nope. Get on a yacht and like sell us protein popcorn. Yeah. I love popcorn. I mean, I'm going to buy it too. I need more protein. I'm going to buy it too. Yeah. Even though I heard it's just sharing. I even though I just heard they just put a fucking protein powder on popcorn and you could technically make that yourself.

Maybe they used a plant-based protein. I don't know. Yeah. Everyone says it's kind of powdery because they just put protein powder on popcorn and like shook it up in a bag. And I go, you know what? Well sold. What a simple genius. Cause I wasn't going to do that. I mean, yeah. Um,

So I mean, okay, so I appreciate that she – I get like she's – the writer has experienced like the really valuable like beautiful lessons from good and bad experiences with dating, love and sex. And so – and that certainly shaped us. So like preaching to the choir with that but like – and I guess you want your sister to have those experiences. But sometimes people got to –

If they're scared, they just have to like pushing them into something. Isn't there? I don't know. I don't know your sister. I wish I knew like what her temperament was like, because I feel like I could tell you I could better. I mean, I think she definitely needs to go see a therapist about religious trauma. Yeah, sounds like it. And I totally get how I now I get why your sister calls it religious trauma is because it's affecting her ability to connect with the opposite sex and find.

a connection, sexual, romantic, or otherwise. Yeah. And I mean, I also think it's like, okay, so she probably has a difficult time finding men because it's like, so the men in the church kind of suck, but I'm sure she wants someone who is like kind of Christian, but like what level of Christian are we talking? You know, it's like, you know, a lot of people aren't religious anymore these days and it's hard to find someone who's kind of like in the middle where you're like Christian enough to

And with guys, guys aren't just – guys usually aren't like a little bit – well, maybe they are a little bit religious. I'm trying to think. Young men are much more –

to be religious than young women. Oh, really? Yeah. Because they're praying for pussy? Well, that's like a new, again, that's just like a new, like men are just becoming, like turning to religion in a way that women aren't. Because they can't get laid. Well, it's also, you know, most religion is pretty misogynistic. Yeah, that's true. So,

but I mean like, you know, for, for, for women, we have this reemergence of spirituality, which I would argue is just another religion, but you know, because it's women led, people don't categorize it as religion because they don't respect it. So astrology, tarot, et cetera. That's also religion. Also just religion. Um, so, uh,

I mean, I think she should try to set her sister up. And if her sister reacts poorly, then okay. You can, I would say, ask her if she wants you to set her up with this friend that you have in mind. And like, are you setting her up because you actually think there'll be a good match or just because it's this one single guy that you know, like make sure it's like, uh, you're, you're putting thought into the pairing. Yeah. Uh, I liked Christina's idea of trying a double date. I think that's fun. Cause that's super low anxiety. Cause it's like also to like,

For some reason, like this is more like when I'll go on three way dates. But we we set a precedent of like, hey, let's meet up for an hour for a drink and then we're going to leave. So like whether we had a good time or a bad time, like it doesn't matter because that we got a cut off period and that made me less anxious. So maybe with her, like, I don't know. And also maybe maybe someone has written a book about like getting over religious trauma and becoming a slut. I'm sure they have. I just don't know what book that is.

Yeah, there's got to be. So I would try that. There's got to be. I think you can meddle a little bit, but like don't make this your entire like life. So yeah, yeah, yeah. Put work into you. I think you could do it a little bit, especially because you're the older sister. Yeah.

Let us know how it goes. All right. The most unhinged wedding speech. Hi, Corinne and Christina. Huge fan of yours. Been listening since 2017. I've listened to every episode. Wow. That's more than me. Yeah, me too. I'm writing in with another weird wedding story. An ex-boyfriend of mine and I went to his aunt's wedding in Oregon when we were in college. The wedding was at an overnight camp on the coast. Very DIY and lovely. That sounds so

At the reception, the groom's father gets up to make his toast. He says all the typical nice things about how proud he is of his son and then says that he has a gift for him. He pre-

He proceeds to take out his preserved foreskin from his bris. It was a Jewish wedding. Okay, this is not a Jewish thing, though. This is not a Jewish thing. And hands it to his son. Please, we have enough bad press right now. And hands it to his son.

He framed it as a sort of circle of life moment. No one in the room really knew what to say, nor did they know that people preserve these things. It was an unhinged moment and one of my favorite wedding stories to tell. Oh, my God. Wow, wow, wow. How did they let him keep it?

Yeah, that's true. You're usually not allowed to keep medical. You can keep teeth, but anytime I've heard other people try to keep parts of their body that were removed medically, they always say no. What? That's rude. That's yours. You're not allowed to. You should be able to keep it. But you're not because I think they're weird. People are going to be doing Frankenstein's monster type shit. I mean, they will anyway. Okay, one more. Is this not too long? Okay.

All right, this one says, wedding fail, angry bridesmaid. Hey, Christina and Corinne, love you guys so much and correct on your new journey to the political world. Well, that's over. Yeah, but write her in June 24th. Thank you. I'm going to jump right in. I got married in August of 2024 and shortly after my bridesmaids stopped talking to me or inviting me to hang out. For some context, I have been friends with this girl since we have been in the fifth grade. Although our friendship has had its ups and downs. She finally sent me a letter last night to let me know why is she...

is upset with me and I'm so bad. God, my heart to my stomach. I hate that. Oh Lord. There's so many problems around weddings. Always the context. Last year on my birthday, we were supposed to go to a comedy show in NYC that week. I'm at work and walk into a conference room and find my coworker dead, like literally dead. Whoa. Whoa. I mentioned to my friends how I'm excited to go out for my birthday and forget what I just saw.

uh you call someone's a crazy story the day before this friend told me she can only go out to lunch for my birthday and i got pissed our plans are at night don't come okay well you seem like a cunt too she just saw a dead guy maybe that's got you crazy it's a little bit of a crazy reaction um i apologize later for overreacting okay thank god because i was like that's a crazy reaction and then i was just emotionally sensitive given what i saw she forgave okay okay

This friend then had a birthday party where we stayed at an Airbnb. How old are you guys? Maybe those are 40. I'm saying that this feels like a very immature email. Her sister and friends ganged up on this one girl and straight up would not acknowledge or talk to this girl. Who was at the Airbnb with you? That's so fucking rude. Ew. I let them know that they were being bitches. Good.

But again, like this is also this is a person who's married. So you would expect them to like you expect there to be a certain level of maturity going on here. No, that's not like that. This email is like sounds like it's about 16 year olds. Yeah. Additionally, her sister, who was also engaged at the time, told me she doesn't shave her vagina or legs and barely fucks her fiance. OK. OK. I might have expressed my judgment there. I forget. I mean, she told you for a reason.

Another piece of context is this friend of mine slash bridesmaid healed from thyroid cancer this year. Okay, so she's going through a lot. After my wedding, it was her one-year cancer-free celebration and she invited all my bridesmaids that she met at my wedding and didn't invite me. So yes, I asked her if something was wrong and yes, I discussed this with my bridesmaids. Yeah, okay. Those are logical next steps.

Oh, gosh. Lastly, she sprained her foot before my wedding and she was sobbing at the end of my wedding. So in my thank you card to her, I mentioned I was sad. I didn't check in on how she was doing. This is a weird email. Here's some pictures of my wedding for context. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on what? Yeah.

If I handled things wrong or how you recommend dealing with this, I, in parentheses, I plan to never talk to her again. Okay. You're the immature one. You guys all need to grow up. Yeah. You, you ended this letter with in parentheses, I plan to never talk to her again, unless you're 16 or under, which I'm guessing not because I technically is a legal to get married in some States. I think if you're 16, but I don't think you are. Ew. Ew.

Like to another, you're not 16. Like if your parents like say two 16 year olds, like, um, yeah, that's a good decision. But wait, here's the letter. Wait, let's read the letter. Crazy. Wait, hon dear. She didn't say her name, right? Yeah. Don't just say dear blank. Yeah. Dear person, Rosa's email. So this is a letter from the friend, the angry bridesmaid friend to the girl who just wrote us. Dear writer. I've been sitting with my thoughts for a while now. It's actually an actual letter to print it out.

I've been sitting with my thoughts for a while now, trying to process how I've been feeling in our friendship. Avoidance has kept me from addressing this sooner, but I wanted to take the time to articulate everything in a way that's honest and clear. She seems mature. My hope in writing this is that we can have an open conversation afterward. Over the past year, I've held in a lot because your wedding was approaching and I didn't want to create any tension during such a special time for you. That's kind. That being said, there were moments that made me uncomfortable and left me with a lot to reflect on.

One of the first instances was your birthday. Being impulsively disinvited and the reaction that followed when I got my dog because my timing didn't align with yours.

All right. So that's something we haven't not even heard about. I guess you plan to get dogs at the same time. Even after I made an effort to celebrate with you, it felt like my presence truly wasn't welcomed. Though you apologized a few days later. Yeah. I mean, like how I don't think this is all stemming from you finding a coworker dead. You might just know. Yeah. Yeah, you might be because this this friend. No offense to you, girl. This is a much sounds much more emotionally mature. Yeah.

Though you apologized a few days later, words can't always be taken back so easily. My birthday weekend last year stands out as a particularly difficult moment. The way you treated my sister, the constant picking on her, the negative commentary felt like bullying and I will never be okay with that. And the way that you said what you said about that, the girl's sister felt weird and like you were being judging. You're like, I might have said something bad. You know, like you definitely said something bad. Yeah, you did. Like fucking own up. You gotta be more, you gotta pay more attention on how you treat people.

Yeah.

That feeling resurfaced. Oh God, I've had friends like this where you never know how they're going to react. It's really tough to be around. That feeling resurfaced when I read the thank you card you sent after your wedding. The wording caught me off guard in a way that made me step back again. Another moment that

Truly Hurt was my one-year cancer-free celebration. I wanted to have a small dinner, and instead of supporting that, you made it about you. Yeah, you do seem like that kind of gal. Texting me and bringing your sister and the twins into it. That was a deeply personal milestone for me, and a real friend wouldn't turn it into something about themselves. She's very correct.

To me, friendship is about supporting and uplifting each other with self-awareness. And in that moment, I felt the opposite. We've known each other for decades, and I know that we'll always have some level of involvement in each other's lives. I don't know exactly what moving forward looks like, but you've been on my mind for months, and I didn't want to keep avoiding this. I hope we can find a middle ground and talk things through. Take your time to process everything, and if you're open to it, I'd love to talk when you're ready. If not, I still hope this brings you some understanding. You're the problem. You're the problem.

problem thank you for coming to guys be fucked yeah no but no one's gonna fucking tell you this yeah in this blunt of a manner but your friend tried to write you a very sweetly worded considerate compassionate email about this but what she's saying is you are the problem yeah and you know what's great about that you can fix it exactly you have full control over fixing the situation so this is a pivotal moment for you right so you can either do one of two things in this moment

You could go down the slide of self-pity and victimhood and making it about you again and bringing your family to all these other people's events. And being mad at us. And being mad. And we're cunts and we're bitches. Or you can fix it, which it might not feel good all the time. In fact, it won't.

But boy, will you like yourself more after. Yeah, I don't know. It was like really odd. The way you worded your email was weird. Yeah, the difference between your email and her letter shows us that you guys are at very different stages in your life. Yeah. And obviously, like, you know, I'm a big...

like I talk a lot about not feeling aligned with people my age because I'm interested in different things. Um, but I'm, I'm not interested in acting juvenile. I mean, I'm, you know, I will please say we're going to go to the mall of America and write a SpongeBob rifle.

Christina, Christina, Claire. So please know that we are recording got pushed back 30 minutes today. So I had 30 minutes to kill and please know that I went to Claire. So when I say juvenile, I don't mean that you can't do fun things. I'm a, I actually, one of the things I hate about adulthood is that you can't just go to Claire's. I'm like, did I get littlest pet shop at

Claire's, I fucking did. Littlest Pet Shop. I was feeling sad. I saw Littlest Pet Shop and the thing, which was like so nostalgic and I was like, I can't wait to open this Littlest Pet Shop in my home. I'm 39 years old. So when I talk about...

When I talk about like maturity, I certainly don't mean like being too adult. I hate that. It's one of my least favorite parts of being an adult. Most adults make me sick. But you have the parts of like being immature that are like toxic. Yeah. You know, like not being able to resolve conflict. Yeah.

And about getting dragged into petty situations. And you say you're baffled by the letter she sent you. What? There was not one word in that letter that baffled me. I guess she... The only way I would be baffled by it is if I took everything personally and I convinced myself that she was the problem when that wasn't the case at all. Right. Then I guess I would be baffled. Yeah. So I... Yeah. I think you...

You are still in that like phase where you think everything is about you, which again concerns me because you're married and marriage takes maturity. No, it doesn't. Yeah, it should. Right. Yes. But I know plenty of motherfuckers got married that I'm like, ugh. Yeah. That's not going to go well. I mean, I... So...

You really have to take a long, hard look at yourself and the relationships in your life. What do you value in your life? What actually means something to you? And not your ego. What is this a picture of? Someone crying? That's her. This is the writer, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I'm pretty sure. Yeah, because it was her wedding. Yeah. Yeah.

And I mean, my God, if I, if I just read the letter that your friend wrote to you and I didn't know anything, I'd be like, what a great lady this gal is. Yeah. It's a well-written letter. It's so compassionate. She expressed like, there's nothing that, uh, is like calling you a bad person. She's just saying like, you did some things that made me feel in certain ways and it changed how I felt about you. She didn't say you're a dumb bitch. She didn't say she wasn't using any like ego tools against you. Yeah. Yeah.

And you know what? You know what's really cathartic that most people are kind of terrified to do? Say you're sorry.

Like if, as long as you mean it, like if you don't, if you don't mean it and you're truly still baffled, I'd say go to therapy. It seems like you have a bit of a journey to go through. You definitely do. But it's good news. Okay. It's good news. Cause your friend in that letter was being very cautious with you because she knows you and she knows that you'll react one minute, one way in the next minute. I get that. I've been like that in my life. I know people like that. I get it. But.

This is, this is a good thing. Don't, don't take this moment and feel bad for yourself because that is the wrong decision. Like really, I totally get why your friend was upset with you. Yeah. And if you don't, this is a great time to just sit and think about it. Reread that letter again. Yeah. Makes a lot of sense. Yeah. I mean, I'm sorry when, when you ended it, when, with the last thing I plan never to, to never talk to her again. I mean, I knew it was you. No loss. I knew it was you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

But if you listen to our show, this is the thing that's so interesting to me. I mean everybody – look, every second of everybody's life up until the moment they were born until now, until you wrote this email, that informs how you behave in the world, right? Yeah. And so I don't think enough people take advantage of the fact that we can make a pivot in how we behave in the world despite our circumstances. But it's interesting that you listened to the show and you wrote us –

Like you're being delusional, which again, I have been delusional. Four out of five people in my book dedication are blocked on my phone. So I understand what it's like to be delusional.

But you really you wrote us this after listening to our show thinking like, ah, they're going to agree with me. Like I could tell you thought we're going to be on your side. And that happens a lot with the emails that we get. And I'm like, damn, dude, did you listen to us? Your email didn't even really make sense until we read the friend's email. Yeah. It's not even like it's written, you know, like like like you were like like I'm in a manic. Yeah. Yeah. Manic.

And game recognize game motherfucker. So again, don't take, I hope that you'll pivot in a positive way from, there's something going on with how you feel about yourself. That's making you be mean to other people. And yeah, but also like you're, you're, you want attention, but the way you're getting it is by acting poorly and you can get attention for acting kindly. And it feels way better. Or at least like middle of the road.

Yeah. What a lot of... And this isn't a wedding. This is not a wedding fail. It's not a wedding fail. You fail. It was you being a bitch to your friend. Yeah, this has nothing to do with a wedding. It's you fucking up your friend's one-year freak anniversary. Yeah, this literally has nothing to do with that. Yeah, and I'm telling you, I'm telling you, find a place where you can meditate on it, think about it, journal it, but there is a reality where you genuinely reread your friend's letter and feel like, oh, fuck, I fucked up. And you're genuinely sorry. And I'm telling you,

Fucking up and going, you know what? Instead of sliding down that self-pity slide where I act like more of a cunt and more nuts, I'm going to actually own up to it. I'm telling you, it feels so much better.

She was so much better. And I wonder, are you one of those women who like... And you develop self-esteem from it. Yeah, are you one of those women who just like go home and like tell your friends, your husband's stories about how all your female friends are bitches and he like yes-ands you? Are you like one of those couples? Are you the equivalent of a dude who's like, oh, my exes are crazy? Yeah, are you like a pick-me girl but with your husband? Like, I don't know. How is this like...

Or does your husband not know about this? Because I was going to say like your husband could possibly be a good like bouncing board for like am I – do you feel that I am like immature in my relationships with my female friends? But I worry – I don't know your husband well enough. Yeah, I worry asking a man for any opinion regarding women's relationships in general. Yeah. But again – Like there's some men I know in my life that I would turn to for that but most, no.

So I don't know what your husband's deal is. Yeah. But think about what we said. Yeah. You got, you got some work to do.

Yeah, it's okay. We all do. That's fine. But now you know it. Your friend tried to gently tell you. Yeah. I'm glad you emailed us so we can not gently tell you. We can tell you meanly, yeah. It's you, girl. Yep. I've been there. It's okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We've all been there. It's all right. Sure. Okay. All right. That was our webisode. That was a good one. Oh, wait. Do we have – how many – I feel like we had to be pretty brutal today. Yeah, you want to end on a high note? There's a writing cringe story. Oh, is there still one? We're at an hour 25 also. Okay. Okay.

All right. Should we save it? I'm not trying to rush you off. Eric's done. Eric's done. I'm just letting you know where we're at. No, end on a high note. I'm just – Let's just – real quick. Cringe wedding story. Hopefully this isn't actually – this is actually a cringe wedding story. I was listening to the most recent GWF where you asked for wedding stories and as a wedding photographer, I feel I have a ton. This past year was maybe the most chaotic year I've ever had.

Recently, I was working as an assistant to another photographer at a beautiful wedding. Seriously, the most luxurious wedding I've ever shot. So at one point, later in the night, the father of the groom started to give a speech after dinner. It started as your typical speech where he was talking about his son's achievements. About halfway through, I realized he was calling the groom, let's call him Jack, by a different name.

For a moment, I thought maybe it was just a situation where it was his legal name and he went by his middle name or something. And the main photographer forgot to tell me. Then I realized he was talking the whole time about the groom's brother. Oh, that sucks. Oh, that sucks. He was going on and on about his football career and when he broke his leg and how he never gave up.

the one getting married. That sucks. This is what I'm talking about about Reading Cringe. He would circle back and say something like, Jack would do that too and jump back into the brother. This speech went on for 20 minutes and the DJ ended up having to cut him off. Oh, wow. We missed the entire time. We had set aside for golden hour photos and the dad just kept going. The bride was a good sport about it and was cracking up the whole time but the groom was pissed. Later that night, the groom got into a fist fight with the bride's brother and it was just the most bizarre wedding I've ever shot. Whoa.

That's great. Thanks, girl. Thanks, Ashley. Thanks for that. Oh my God. All right, guys. Well, that's our episode. Thank you so much for joining us. This has been Guys We Fucked, the anti-slut shaming podcast. This is our regular episode, right? Yes. All right, this is our regular episode. We're recording a couple episodes today. Thank you for joining us. We'll talk to you next Friday. Bye.

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