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Rediscovering Stevie Wonder, with Wesley Morris and Josh Gwynn

2024/10/4
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Josh Gwynn
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Kirk Hamilton
视频游戏专家和《Triple Click》播客主持人。
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Wesley Morris
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Wesley Morris: 我起初并不想制作Stevie Wonder的播客,因为我觉得更想听别人来做。但最终因为团队成员和Barack和Michelle Obama的参与而决定接手。这个项目的目标之一是展现Stevie Wonder音乐在不同世代中的意义,以及他如何成为理解20世纪70年代及之后非裔美国人生活的关键人物。Stevie Wonder的成就并未得到充分的认可,他的地位在流行音乐史中没有得到应有的重视。制作过程中,我们关注了不同世代对Stevie Wonder的理解,以及他音乐中所体现的不同阶段。我们试图将他的音乐成就放在当时的音乐环境中进行考量,并与其他同时代的音乐家进行比较。Stevie Wonder在音乐创作中高度独立自主,这在流行音乐史上是罕见的,只有少数艺术家能够做到这一点。播客没有过多地依赖Stevie Wonder本人的说法,而是通过其他人的视角来展现他的音乐作品,这使得播客更加丰富。通过制作Stevie Wonder的播客,我对《Music of My Mind》专辑中的歌曲《Sweet Little Girl》有了新的理解,这首歌体现了Stevie Wonder在音乐创作上的探索和尝试。我认为Stevie Wonder的歌曲《Jesus Children of America》是一首被低估的杰作,它在音乐性、情感表达等方面都非常丰富。 Josh Gwynn: Stevie Wonder对不同的人有着不同的意义,他的音乐在人们生活中扮演着不同的角色,因此制作播客时,将故事限制在一个特定的时间段内,更有助于讲述一个更集中的故事。制作Stevie Wonder的播客时,我们不得不忍痛割舍一些歌曲,因为Stevie Wonder的作品实在太多。我小时候对Stevie Wonder的了解有限,只是把他当作一个演唱轻松愉快歌曲的歌手,直到后来在乐队演奏他的歌曲时,才开始深入了解他的音乐和背后的故事。制作播客的过程中,我逐渐意识到播客的主题是关于孩子们的,是关于音乐传承的。播客的制作方式,让不同的人能够从不同的角度来解读Stevie Wonder的音乐,并引发他们对自身情感的思考。通过制作Stevie Wonder的播客,我对歌曲《Boogie on Reggae Woman》有了新的理解,这首歌展现了Stevie Wonder在经历车祸后的内心挣扎和音乐创作的坚持。 Kirk Hamilton: 我非常欣赏这个播客,它成功地将Stevie Wonder的音乐作品置于更广阔的文化背景下进行解读,并展现了其音乐作品在不同世代中的影响。播客中对Stevie Wonder的分析主要围绕他的音乐作品展开,而没有过多地引用Stevie Wonder本人的说法,这使得音乐作品本身成为更重要的焦点。

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This chapter explores the origin story of the podcast "The Wonder of Stevie," including Wesley Morris's initial resistance to hosting and the involvement of Anna Holmes, Barack and Michelle Obama, and the Pineapple Street Studios team. The collaborative process and the decision to focus on six albums are also discussed.
  • Anna Holmes's initial idea for the podcast
  • Wesley Morris's initial reluctance to host
  • Involvement of Barack and Michelle Obama
  • Collaborative process with Pineapple Street Studios
  • Decision to focus on six albums

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Kirk talks with Wesley Morris and Josh Gwynn about the endless world of Stevie Wonder. Morris and Gwynn are host and producer, respectively, of the brilliant new six-part podcast series The Wonder of Stevie).

Check out Josh Gwynn's terrific pop culture podcast Back Issue), Wesley Morris's culture podcast Still Processing), and Morris' essential writing on Aretha Franklin), Jam & Lewis), Meshell Ndegeocello), and his mustache), as well as his 2019 essay about Black American Music).

REFERENCED ON THIS EPISODE:

  • "Wild Wild West" by Will Smith, Kool Moe Dee, Rub Fusari, and Stevie Wonder, 1999
  • "Straight, No Chaser" by Thelonious Monk, recorded 1967
  • Thelma Golden and Michelle Obama talking about listening to records as kids, from Episode 5 of The Wonder of Stevie

Stevie Wonder Song Excerpts:

  • "Keep On Running" from Music of My Mind, 1972
  • "You Are the Sunshine of My Life" from Talking Book, 1972
  • "Jesus Children of America" from Innervisions, 1973
  • "Boogie On Reggae Woman" from Fulfillingness' First FInale, 1974
  • "I Wish," "Sir Duke," and "As," from Songs in the Key of Life, 1976
  • "Happy Birthday" from Hotter Than July, 1980

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