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David Autor on AI’s impact on jobs, expertise, and labor markets

2025/7/2
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David Autor: 中国的经济增长和加入世界贸易组织导致了对美国制造业的冲击,尤其是在劳动密集型产业。这造成了大量制造业岗位的流失,对当地经济产生了深远影响。与此相比,AI冲击虽然可能迅速发生,但其地域集中性较低,更多地影响职业和工作方式,而非摧毁整个行业。此外,AI对企业而言,既是挑战也是机遇,因为它既可能导致工人失业,也可能提高生产效率。因此,AI冲击的性质与中国贸易冲击有显著不同。我认为,中国贸易冲击对美国制造业和劳动密集型制造业产生了非常严重的影响,导致超过一百万个制造业岗位流失。与此相比,AI的影响不会像中国贸易冲击那样具有地域集中性,它将更多地影响职业和工作方式,而不会摧毁整个行业。

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What if AI helped people develop and deepen their existing expertise, and better outfitted them for the jobs of the future? This week, Reid and Aria are joined by one of the world’s leadest labor economists, David Autor, Ford Professor of Economics at MIT and co-director of its Work of the Future Task Force. He is also a Visiting Fellow in the Google Technology and Society Program. David’s landmark research on the China Shock has become foundational for policymakers grappling with globalization’s labor impacts. Reid, Aria, and David discuss the parallels between China Shock and AI Shock, the labor market, how AI can help us make better decisions, automation vs. collaboration, and AI’s potential to enhance human-centered jobs.

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2:27 - Hellos and intros

4:30 - China Shock vs. AI Shock 

10:56 - How AI could affect skill-based labor 

15:37 - Google Gemini aside: more about the air traffic controller shortage

16:31 - How technologies can be amplifiers of expertise

22:09 - AI as a collaboration tool 

24:52 - Why speed of labor market change makes a difference

29:25 - How AI can be good for the middle class

31:04 - Learning to use AI to your advantage

34:27 - More upward mobility at work 

41:39 - Technology increasing quality of life 

47:34 - Tools to put in place to ensure improvements for all 

50:29 - Successfully transitioning to a new AI future

56:51 - Rapid-fire questions

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Possible is an award-winning podcast that sketches out the brightest version of the future—and what it will take to get there. Most of all, it asks: what if, in the future, everything breaks humanity's way? Tune in for grounded and speculative takes on how technology—and, in particular, AI—is inspiring change and transforming the future. Hosted by Reid Hoffman and Aria Finger, each episode features an interview with an ambitious builder or deep thinker on a topic, from art to geopolitics and from healthcare to education. These conversations also showcase another kind of guest: AI. Each episode seeks to enhance and advance our discussion about what humanity could possibly get right if we leverage technology—and our collective effort—effectively.