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Well, tis the season and alex and I swear I get asked to put something up on the TV by a visiting family member or a wife or a kid because people are over. It's the holidays and they want to show stuff on the TV. And so I was digged through a bunch of links.

I knew I D found a tool they would let you send over your land from a, from a deaths pera laptop to a chrome cast, no cloud required. And I found that is called cat C, A, T, T, cast all the things and allows you to send videos, even web pages, like you can have an mp four just on your hard drive, and you can use cat C A T T to send IT directly over your land to the crown cast. No google cloud required.

That's awesome. Does he does he support multiple screens at once? Like.

can you think you want the world, alex just want the world? It's a good question. I've i've never tried. I'm not a fancy pants like you.

It's pretty interesting though like you just have any video you think I wish I could just throw this on that screen over there from the terminal. You don't need any fancy because one of the things that kind of bugs me about china cast from a computer is pretty much limited to chrome to do IT. Like you can either cost a tab or if you're on new year, whatever that has the cost, but then the corner.

But at least this way, you can just cast any M P for the you've got. There's even also a way to cast a web page. You can cut cost rolling wherever you alike.

It's it's not bad. And I feel like the chrome cast is low key under utilized. There's a lot of ways we can be taking advantage of them, but google just hasn't really pushed that forward. So we can do with our own open source tools, and we don't need anything but just the hardware listening on the land.

Pretty exciting, but not as exciting, I think, for you at least as what just drop today. I think the rose pie compute module five.

yeah at least as we record. And it's surprise me that it's actually compatible with the C. M. four. Like I I can't even believe that I IT literally sounds like I could crack open my home assistant, yellow, pop off the C. M.

Four and pop in the computer module five and IT works because they say, and this is a weird way to put up, but they say, is, quote, mechanically compatible with its predecessor? So IT exposes all signals through a pair of high density perpendicular nectar, which attached to corresponding parts on the Carrier board. And those remain compatible. And so, you know, you pop out the four, you put in the five, I think it's pretty similar terms of hardware, but just a little bit faster.

So that's the dream is neat, at least IT was the dream that we were promised of the market.

Yeah, I was I was mentally I I just didn't see IT. I was mentally prepared for a totally new set up. I figured the homes assistant yellow was gonna be a one off device that once IT was sort of tapped out, I would just have to tossed IT.

And IT is what IT is. That sucks, but that's what I was. But this this is huge, alex, this is great. And they're gona have a sixteen gig variant in later in twenty twenty five. That is my attention.

I wonder if this sets a precedent for the compute module, six, seven, eight, nine, whatever. Like you look at what AMD have done with the a m 4 socket on the desktop， and that socket has has really been the MVP of desktop computing for a long time. I know A M five is the new hotness this year, but A M force had a good like since he run on the next top side.

I'd love, i'd love even just a two or three generation run, right? That's great. yeah.

And think about what other things that might precipitate a reorganisation of the mechanical connection IT would be, things like power requirements that can no longer be satisfied or extra or new fancy I O stuff. And the four, the computer dual four, this is the five, doesn't really change much in either regard. This is a little bit more power hungry, but not much.

What we do get is a new I O example board. You know how they have these daughter boards that you put the compute module into? This one comes with new one has got a whole bunch of stuff on there.

And they also have a new metal case, which they say turns the IO board into a complete and capsule ted industrial grade computer. And you know it's it's an upgrade. Ox.

because IT has a power, but not on the bottom.

No, no. Yeah, somehow the engineering manage, the engineering town was there. They managed.

Ed put on the front. Apple, really, this thing looks great. I don't really have anything negative to say about this. But one thing that really caught my attention in the press release, eben upton, who of course the the leader of the ruby pie, I think it's a CEO of the company behind the rusby pie foundation. He noted that in today's announcement, some seventy to eighty percent of rush repair units are going into industrial or embedded applications.

I wonder what those are, you know, because there are more robust systems, but I suppose the pi has gotten pretty mature over the years. I mean, is the yellow technically considered an industrial application?

I bet IT is yeah IT must be things like that in the pie. K, V, M, but there is going to be a bunch of other stuff we pretty don't even see, like what's powering stuff in airplane seats these days.

I want right? Of course.

there's so many things like stuff.

yeah. And also is it's not too surprising because you're recall during the supply crunch, after covet or kind of during covered rasberry pie, prioritize their business customers, their industrial customers over U N. I. And that's why things like the pie .

tracker set up much to ash Green at the time.

Yeah right. So is that that surprising that after that sort of c changing event that so many of their sales are .

now industrial?

Perhaps not. Perhaps I think it's there's a tinge, though, of a little bit sadness because the pie started as this great educational tool that was in the hands of children at schools. Maybe some of these are maybe some of that industrial and embedded, but I don't know.

Thing is, for those use cases that you don't really need anywhere near what the pipe fall could have done for, you know, compute possibilities, maybe for some robotic stuff.

maybe they also did just recently update the zero .

or did they work with?

I don't follow IT too closely, but I know was just recently updated, kind of making IT just a .

little bit more powerful, that zero is a really interesting form factor. In fact, we'll be talking a little bit about mechanical keyboards with our new sponsor in this episode. But I noticed on the circuit board that I got on on a new mechanical keyboard a couple of weeks ago as like a little rose repair embedded controller on that thing. So as a company, they are branching out of bit.

I could see IT. Now, alex, actually, you could use these in the new x space you're working on for those built in displays. I'm picture and you're going to have yourself some sort of like command center because all I heard is that an attic revamp was a underway and I thought OK, well, let's let's fly down. They'll get brand and we will come down and we will do like a tech makeover ver, and we will turn the whole thing IT like an Operation center in the I .

think that's what's needed. Yeah so I mean, my needs have changed in this house since doing a lot more video, and it's not really fair to ask your old in the house to be quiet while studies filming, you know and so we are converting the attic of this house, which is about a thousand square we give or take, is currently flawed over. We're gonna convert that into a dedicated studio space. So it'll be suitable for my filming needs as well as in a recording, podcasts and stuff like that.

This is clever. I like IT.

We need to come up with the name for this thing. I mean, you've got jb one and lady jubes. what? What can I nicknamed the .

attic and 嗯， the mile high studio bad lab is something Better. Lab is good, I like.

But i'm thinking about the tech requirements are going in there, like there won't be many windows up there. I want to control the light for filming purposes and that kind of stuff.

Good IT hot too. You're gonna some air condition.

Oh yeah. Well, I mean, gets like a hundred and something old degrees up there in the summer right now. So geo zone mini split that's already in the quote from the contacts. That's all it's all taking care of nice and quiet too.

Yeah, good. I'm glad that was settled. good. But are you thinking .

about where i'm going to run the fight? Like what switches do? Do I need to buy? What screens can I put up in the background? Like I want to put things like my blue irish web fronted up on a screen so I can actually just dance that since see, you know, the wife home from wherever.

I know I was kidding, but I was kind of serious. You do want some screens for that kind of stuff because you're kind of in this chAmber, you want to know what's going on, who's pulling up, maybe who's the you know, outside like I keep an eye stuff.

Yes, i'm actually considering and this might seem a little strange, but like a separate home assistant feeds them up there. I don't know, like I have been kind of do. Do you ever get this at I think I wish I could just unpick all of the decisions i've made over the last few years in my home assistant instance and think I want to to start fresh.

Definitely the last time I rebuilt IT.

That's how I felt. yeah. But the reality of that, of repairing everything, particular, particularly that the egg be controllers and all that, the reality of of doing that is just so vast.

Yeah, yeah. I just, I can't even think of IT now.

Even so, I mean, there are gonna some things that I want to tie into the house, so gonna want to light at the bottom of the stairs, not a recording in progress, like, you know, so that nobody opens the door in, run to take, or something like that. Is that some very small quality of life, things like that, of course, climate control will be integrated into home assistant. But like, what else can I think of? What else can we think of as a team can be crowd source of my days from the audience?

Yeah, I bet there must be people that are listening that work from home and use home a system to make that smoother. That's a great question on our scientists. Obvious, right? But there must be other things you could do to help like prevent interactions or breaks in concentration.

You know, besides just the lighting and the thermos that are obvious, there must be something else. I'm going to give that a lot of thought because i'd like the implement some of those ideas too. Yes.

not very often. You get a blank canvas to really a IT. Is that because I got a perfectly functional spacetime here whilst all of that nonsense is happening up there. And so it's not like I have to move in immediately whilst the contractors paint is still dying. You know, it's like I can I can take my time and do IT right and set IT up for the next few years of of producing on the regular like we do.

Hat is a great question, alright, boost in and tell us how you would set IT up. I'm going to be thinking about i'm to get about a two from like presence detection as well. yeah. Why not set the entire thing up to be present away from the beginning?

Yes, million me to wave light switches.

That yeah thing or I may be even like even zoned up a bit like cause know there's going to be some parts where you're doing one particular job and another part to do another particular job. I I might even look at different presence for zones. There's a lot to think about their alex, this is going na be interesting project. So you tell me when retina I need to get down there and we will .

pack up and all the control services to manage IT too. Oh yeah, now after the break, we're going to be speaking to brian moses. We spoke to brian earlier in the year and he's got a brand new post for us talking about his D I Y addition .

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I'd like to welcome brian moses back to the show. We last spoke to brain in january of this year, but we got to meet this summer at texas linux fest in Austin. Hy, brian, welcome back to the show.

Thanks a bunch. It's banner. It's bin a while.

not as long as you might think, to be honest. But the reason that I thought we would have you on today is you've just published a branch new blog post and these are an annual tradition at this point aren't the DIY has twenty twenty five edition? yeah. I am really excited about that.

There are almost, there are almost an annual tradition I try and do in every year. But some years, some years I I skip IT or I on low f for DIY ness. But this year, this year before the for the twenty twenty five one, I achieved all my goals.

I ve always wanted to do this like car models. You know they released the car the next year's bottles at the end of the year, right before the Chris you right before the holidays. I've always said I want to get the DIY as published this year, you know, just like a car, like a new model car. And i've never been able to do that. And I finally made a happy this year.

but i'm excited about that. Well, let's great IT. It's a nice looking rig. I mean, it's it's small and it's packed tells about what's in this thing.

It's super fantastic. So like, I love small form factor DIY as builds. I don't need you anymore, but I used to have a very small office space and I just couldn't fit anything anywhere.

I really wanted something small, foreign tors, and that kind of resonated with a lot of people in my audience. So I i've continued doing IT. And this one, this one is super dense. It's cubic almost, and I think it's about two hundred and twenty millimeters each direction. There's a give or take a few millimeters, I take on the height and has five five drive base is got in intel in one hundred CPU, which is everybody's home lab darling right now. Thirty two gig bites of D D R five RAM ten gig a bit ether net, which is which is kind of a standing when you factor in the Price, which is which is without the drives at just hundred, six hundred, twenty bucks.

Oh yeah.

that's my bad. Okay, yeah, yeah. I was when when I found out about the motherboard that went into IT. It's the top ten and eighteen. When I when I found about the spects of that motherboard and the Price that they that they were selling IT at, I was I was super excited and bite, in fact, bite enough to stock my ebay store full of them a plug.

So what exactly is IT about the end one hundred that has you so excited to say is everybody's home lab, darling, right now?

Well, I think I think especially for homeland s, there are tons of really cheap many pcs out there that are running the end one hundred. And there are people who you know, they have a modest home lab or that the only machine in their home lab. And there people are doing elaborate clusters with with many of these many pcs. And I think I think that's really fascinating. Their low power, I think six, what is there tdp?

Is that overload or is that just idle?

I think that overload. I did some testing while I was running bad blocks for what seemed like three weeks on the hard drives that I wanted putting in there. And with all five drives teaching, IT was doing about sixty idle. That's incredible.

So essentially the end one hundred is, you know, intel recently switched to having A P core, performance core and an efficiency core model to A P N E core. Yes, I believe the end one hundred is just four of their equals, like the spiritual conclusion of what atam was supposed to be. So this thing has intel quickly built in very, very low power usage.

And this motherboard really is that IT takes A D D R five S O dim. It's got six souter ports on IT, two m up, two N V M lots. And as you say, it's got the ten gig bit marvel nick, in addition to two two and half gig nix four for two hundred and fifty birds. That absolutely bunkers .

and IT is bankers. Although I will point out the the one thing there are not enough PCI pcr e lanes to do x four on the N V M E slit. So those are only those are throttle down the x one and their PCI version three. That's kind of one of the the gotch's with these and one hundred boards they have they don't have the P C lanes to dub all the funds .

probably ly tolerable in a national application though. yes.

So I want up building A A mirror out of those two N V M E drives with the, I guess, middle of the road in N V M S S. And I was getting you know I was saturating the the ten gig bit, nick, you know, on special reads and write.

I think that's what you need isn't that's what you need. So tell us about the case that the Jones both stuff, I want to say a new manufacturing, but I suppose they've been around for a few years .

at this point. Yeah, they've been around a while. I use the in one case I want say a couple years ago when I first found out about IT, they're fantastic.

One of my, one of my big I don't want, I called grapes, but the other is just not enough people building D I Y S machines for the big case manufacturer to be releasing cool as cases every every year or every few quarters. And john's boys kind of come in. I don't say they disrupted that, but theyve, they've come in and theyve released.

I think they're up to five now. The end one, the end two and three and four and and five, the end five is is big. But all of their cases are are really fantastic.

Are there are decent Price. They've got a set back plane so you can hot swap your drives. And this one, the end to IT seems a pair up really nicely with these. These one one hundred boards have six airports. So you say IT .

has a backplane. It's a service backplane. Is IT? Or does IT do sas as well? Do you know?

I think it's always sada.

okay. And what sort of Price does that case run you?

I think it's about one hundred forty dollars on amazon right now. okay. And it's it's all medal. I mean, it's all metal. Yeah the slides I like if you had the net pic at IT where they save money is there's no sled. So it's just a little and almost feels like a little rubber washer that you screw into each hard drive and that slides in and that holds in place.

It's weird. Isn't IT where manufacturer kind of cut corners on the bits that you actually touch? You know, it's kind of strange sometimes IT is.

But one of the things one of the things that I that I ve said before, usually when i'm talking about building up an inexpensive and economical as is that hot swap drives are are kindly overrated. They're underrated when you're the guy that has to go out to the data center three in the morning because an important drive failed, right? You go out there, you swap to drive, you kick off, you know the the rebuild of that pool.

But you know for for me here at home, you know a hot swap drive isn't really that important. You know the users who are inconveniences are are really me. I mean, i'm no one that in inconvenience and i'm already being inconvenient by by swap in the drive.

I don't know. Like I had a lot of issues, cabling just being really unreliable or working its way out of hard drives, which touch wood so far doesn't seem to have been the case. So this this comes from specific experience in that rose will case up.

I love so much that was IT called the forty five hundred year or something and I was having lost issues just with saturn disconnections and just just random stuff like power cables and know that. And then I switched out for their rose will like four unit five in a quarter, which bae you can fit four hard drives vertically in IT. It's been perfect since then. So I I don't know like I I hear what you say like I used to I like I used to be in that camp, but i've kind of changed my tune lately.

It's yeah it's it's one of those things that I that I really love about the D I Y aspect of all of this is that, you know the the value proposition depends on the point of view of the person who's making the decision, right? There's almost no wrong decision.

You know I know I I built a set of part and I say, hey, this is this is my ideal but it's IT shouldn't be everybody's ideal, right? You should take that and say, hey, I don't I don't like A B, C. About brian DIY as build and i'm going to swap IT out for these other things because i'd like them Better and that's that's what that's what I hope you know people take away from these blogs.

So let's move onto a possibly even more divisive topic you've picked true as scale as the Operating system. He took through the rational .

of picking that I have been, I got myself a fan boy. I I don't know that accurate or not. I when I set out to do this like twelve years ago and built my first snow and blogged about IT, I had no idea what I was doing.

And IT was called free as then to free as the free B. S. D. based. I tried IT, and i'd liked IT ever sits.

But the one thing that I ran into was especially for me when I was building the economical things, the hardware support under free b sd was always a little bit of body, you know, yet to work really hard to make sure that the onboard sea controller had good support for free B S D on that inexpensive motherboard that you found. And a lot of times I found, you know that wasn't the case. And then I said, well, you know, I can't I can't use that motherboard because it's a deal break.

Er and then when trina scale came out, IT was built to a top debian and they're way, way more device is supported and it's just it's just Better i've been using to scale ever said like the minute its first beta came out, I backed up my my true as core config and just reinstalled tunas scale, rebuilt my nez, I guess technically from scratch. And i've been i've been really placed with IT so far. Well, good. I mean.

that's really what matters. And I am assuming because we skipped over the hard drives, I assuming you probably with the fs on the this. With a true has set up. I'm always kind of curious how you're doing like the boot drive stuff because that's always something you have to solve .

with true these days. I say this in this blogged. I think people really over think their boat drives on with through the scale, especially yeah.

i'm probably guilty of that myself.

I way back way back in the day, we were using USB drives and a decent USB drive you know from like sand disc was between fifteen and thirty dollars that that changed a lot since then. But that kind of drilled into my head those first few D I wine as walks was, I don't care what i'm gona buy, but it's going to cost between fifteen and thirty dollars for the boot drive and the and I guess the the bomber is with her as and for guys like me is that you know, on this particular machine there's only six air ports and two M A two ports. And if you trying to cram as much storage into a machine as you can, you have to sacrifice some of those ports for for the trainer scale bot drives.

Yeah.

that's an interesting problem. That's part of the reason that I want to picking the johns bell in two case, right? The mother board, the motherboard has six, eight airports. The case has five drive base. So there was a, there was a free state apart for an inexpensive hundred and twenty eight gigg by, you say, that S S D, that to mounted up next to the motherboard.

And if you found the new docker stuff in the was IT called electric ill version of truth.

I like IT. I like, I like that i'd made the switch from cuba etes the darker. Um I didn't. I didn't find the I didn't find the switch to be that dramatic.

You know mostly what I had what mostly what I had on my nas was I run next cloud in a virtual machine and then I have A A smart s board of little, little containers that are stored related. And i'd set most of them up as customer maps from outside of the the tune, as cata, the official catoche. And all of those migrated from from cuba.

Ties to darker just fine. And i'm really excited now that you we're using dockers. There's just so much more out there in terms of working examples that you could throw together your own your own container instead of being reliant on, you know, a catalogue e, either being maintained by the folks that at our ex or a third party catalogue that you know you may not have much faith in existing a few years from now, right?

Dr is the toole's name and has been for a long time, so it's seen the most love and attention from the community. So it's only natural.

makes IT easier to to get started on some of these projects. brand. One of the things I noted that you seem to, to really focus on with this one was just power consumption.

I particularly appreciate that. And I think it's something that maybe folks don't think a lot about when they are set up a home now or a home lab. Some of these servers can take almost as much as a hair drier in terms of power. So i'm glad you were looking at that this time.

It's an interesting problem to solve. You know what? I live in texas. We have unreliable power, but it's inexpensive sometimes. So it's kind of something that i've i've overlooked in the past. But you know in talking to folks that you live, you know here in the states like california or even overseas in europe were where electricity is is really expensive, I gained a little bit of perspective from those folks and said, well, not only do I want to build something that kind of, if power efficient, but I also wanted, I wanted share with everybody. You know what what I saw when I, when I use IT and IT helps when you justify all the money I .

spend on my IT pays for itself down the road, right?

Yeah IT IT doesn't do that. But IT helps. Like, I love, I love home automation and a home assistant.

And there are little energy dashboard in putting smart outlets on everything. So IT all kind of the one diagrams of things where where they overlap. There are really .

fun that some man math, right? The agents.

Well, brian am already looking forward to the twenty twenty six edition rumors have. It's gonna a good one. Thank you very, very much for put all this together. It's really it's a community resource.

awesome. I'm i'm super glad to get that feedback and and you're very welcome. I love write news blogs.

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Chris?

I might be a digital horter, alex. I might be that's it's I .

think there's a submit .

IT for that, don't you? Oh yeah, i'm i'm always kind of like maybe i'm a digital package. I wonder which one IT is. I'll let the audience decide because the you know i've developed a flow, alex, i've developed a flow over the years because you know, when you do and four, five shows a week, you're you never not prepping the next show. In fact, you're always prepping all the shows all the time IT never .

think is so easy. Now you do is talking to a microphone for thirty minutes.

right? Yeah, so well, you have to have something to talk about. And one of the ways I do that is I collect stories and sound bites and video bites and social media post.

I just collect all that stuff all throughout the week, and then I kind of slice IT into the right category, depending on what we showed us. Maybe it's a code radio story, maybe it's a supposed ted story. And I kind of slice and dice that that way.

And I ve used various tools, pinboard, which is a hosted service, has been pretty great over the years, was one of the og users. But recently, theyve been having some database issues, which has affected me during the day while i'm working. And so I wanted to finally self host a way to quickly save links, videos, notes, information from a website and categorize all of IT.

But I don't want to spend a bunch of time doing IT. That is where holder came in harder, got APP. And IT is a bookmark in service kind of turned up to eleven because IT will pull in not just bookmark links, it'll let you assign notes in text, everything you link.

And I can automatically pass some of that using A, I, either a local L, M or an OpenAI A, P, I, K. Then IT can O, C, R. All of the text in the images that IT grabs from those sites and IT gives you the ability to plug stuff in over rss. And just like auto archive as IT gets posted, which I love, because a big part of my workflow is our set.

So hold on a minute. That sounds absolutely amazing. IT. IT takes a snapshot of the article or the blog post as IT hits the R S.

S feed you, and not only will grab the text so you have the text in a nice readable view, in a reader view, but I will also literally screen shot IT. So if anything changes or you know something like that, you have the original copy and then in your library display, IT uses that screen shot to build nice displays in thun ils of what you've bookmarked. So they actually use that for multiple purposes. It's really clean.

Yeah, no kidding. That's pretty cool indeed. Now the text stack looks pretty interesting. It's the next J S. Web up with a bunch of, in fact, there's got five or six projects i've never even heard of underneath data base, for example, is in their cold drizzle, which is anyone on me.

So what's interesting, those you look at the, when you look at the get hub page, IT talks about why did I build this thing? And IT basically the blurb that here says from the author that eyebrows read IT twitter and hacking use a lot from my phone and typical read IT later apps like pocket, or how I catalog this stuff. But then I got into self hosting, and I can pretty much feel my own words echoing on the page. You like, i'm assistant engineering my day job, and I just didn't want to get two attached from web development. So I built this cool thing that scratches my own age really.

And he is still working on IT. He is IT is still underactive families. Very clear about that. But this I think IT has a visual, not over a lot of the other options like this.

And b IT has just the right amount of firefox ing cho extension and android and IOS APP. So it's not too much is not like trying to pull down on your bookMarks and in integrated with your web. Brother IT just gives you like a sharing sheet on mobile so you can archive this stuff that's IT.

It's always and when I tried to switch to max a couple of years ago, IT is always mobile where where IT fell l over and end up going with obsidian for that reason. Then up i'm looking at this harder thing, and i'm very glad you brought this to my attention because this really looks fabulous.

And I will import from a lot of popular bookmarking services, like one of them being pocket. So what else IT does that I just touched on a second ago, but I just want to have double down for a second, is the A I based stuff I thought was going to be kind of gemacht. But I went ahead and I spent like twenty bucks, and I got myself and OpenAI A P, I credit.

And I plugged in the A P I key in this thing. And IT does a pretty fantastic job of automatically tagging everything and then generating me a summary, which saves me the step of doing exactly that, which is what I do with all the stuff, is when I go to process IT, I take IT and I write a summary for future Chris. And now these things just doing that for me, and I will see if that works long time for long term for me. But for just last, you know, a week or that i've been using this, i'm really like in that aspect when I thought I would just be like a thrown away.

So they have a page in their documentation talking about the associated costs of using the OpenAIA P I. So one thing I hadn't realized, IT does text tagging, but IT also does image tagging as well.

And so you can search inside the images, which I know that's amazing.

Now they guess that you'll will be able to generate tags for about three thousand bookMarks for less than one dollar. And also you are bail to run what they call inference on a thousand images for under a dollar too. So really pricing you know for for running IT through a model isn't yeah, it's not going to break the bank hopefully.

And if you want, those are justice parameters. So if you frequently soul or i'm sorry, frequently save really long articles, are you can go up and bump up the inference window. IT will cost you a bit more in API tokens, but it's just you just got to find that baLance.

I think the defaults are pretty sensible for the kind of work, and I do. So I I don't know. I suspect twenty five dollars of A P I credits will last me a very long time, since I don't really use IT for anything else.

Yes, I may even turn up the window a little bit. That way just does more comprehensive summaries. But you can die that as you like IT. If.

of course, you want to go fully self hosted route as Christmas earlier, IT supports so lamer as well as you could run this against the local LLM that you .

have yeah and all the documentation makes IT really clear, which you've got ta swap out to do that. And you know, you get the benefit in of no A P. I fee at all. And you can make the context windows as largest you want, and this just the speed of your machine. And you can also go in there and adjust how long IT waits for the L M. To respond because if you move to something that might be a little bit slower, you'll have to go in there and maybe just tweet the way times I think by default, like thirty seconds or something like that see might want up that if you're using a local language models a little slower.

I noticed in the show, don't care that you've put that in automatically archives youtube videos too.

yes. So they use youtube D, L P. I think it's Y T, D, L, P, and it's off by default. But you can turn IT to, yes, you know, just like there's a dot environment file, but I don't love, but there's a dot environment files, very simple and is all documented and you just go in there and you know video archival, yes. And then you can set the maximum size of videos, your law, by default, fifty megabits, but of course, go bigger. And then anything that you save, if it's got a video attach to IT, it'll pull that down and store that as well.

Where has this bit of my life? This APP is awesome. So you've been trying out of you yeah.

yeah, yeah. I've all, all the week shows i've been prepped and i've been using this for prep.

Is IT music music ready for prime time?

I think so. Yeah, I uses the thunder heavy development and things will change. So there's always that cava at. The one thing IT doesn't have that I haven't figured out IT doesn't have an API.

So maybe I can figure this out through different means, but I would love the ability to actually have this generate rs fees of each of my category. So what I do when I take something for self hosted, currently in my old system, anything that get takes self hosted goes into A R S S feed, which that I consume in other places. So it's a way I can kind of narrow things down.

And I I can also like for linux on plug. I tagged something west is described that our s so we can see every link i'm tagging as I tag them. So IT be nice if there's a way to show. And maybe there reason I just have figured that out or maybe I need use the API, but um that's one thing that think adds more features i'd love to see is the ability to generate feeds from the things i'm saving.

stuff like that. I wonder if you could do that by training a couple of apps together, like training walla bag to holder or something separately. But maybe that's an extra step. This just not needed with a bit development time. Yeah.

yeah. But i'm really impressed with how far it's come so far. It's I think they say it's under develop.

I'm key. I'm sticking with that. It's stables, far as I can tell, maybe to block on me, but so far I .

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comms lash self host to go tried out for free up to one hundred devices and three users at tail scale up comes lash self hosted. Not a limited time deal. It's a plan I have been on since the beginning.

It's a great way for enterprises to dip their toe and then really try things out tae scale is the easiest way to connect devices, applications, services whenever they are directly to each other, wherever they are. Now you're probably think in h, Chris is A P R R. no.

I mean, yes, IT is secure. Yes, IT gives you remote access. And yes, IT is protected by wire guard.

But IT builds out a flat mesh network. It's intuit. It's programmable and it's easy to deploy zero conflict.

It's a zero trust network that is one flat system that means all your boxes can talk directly to each other, to each other even if you're behind, like Carrier, great net, one of them at A V P S, and one of them on your phone and one of them in a vm. And that vms behind the zone out. IT still makes IT all work out.

And then they have acl policies, so you can security control access to devices and services. So if you want to share IT with multiple billion of a lot of people on your tAiling, they got you covered there. And yes, IT clicks in with your existing authentic ation infrastructure supports two factor.

And then there's a bgi zed features. On top of that, you can send files to each other. You can association and use your tail scale.

I D is keys so you don't have to pass around keys. I run everything on my toilet, my jellyband instance, my business infrastructure, even our web infrastructure. There are things you use when you download our podcast and access our website.

You're hit in a front system. IT is then proxy all that traffic into a tail net, and it's accessing those system security over a tAiling t and then bringing the results back to you. So we don't have to run a bunch of systems on public ips.

We just have one box with the public IP that can then handle all of that. And IT works so smooth you never even know is happening. I love IT.

And you could just do simple things like your ipad actually useful and make IT a coding terminal to associate into your box and access your files like the way you can stack IT just IT changes the way you network. And now I have no inbound ports on any of my firewalls. And their personal plan, they commit to keeping that free forever.

So try that out and support the show. You got a tail scale dock com slash self hosted that gets you one hundred devices and three users for as long as you want IT. It's tail scale that com slash self hosted.

So Kevin, routine, just a little. We'll follow up from a previous episode where we talked about perplexity o on the self host A I stack. Hey, guys are just listening to one, three, six.

And you all mentioned having some problems getting popular ica running well and reliably. well. I also had those same problems, but I realized the open web. I have search features built in, including being out to hit searching.

I've highly recommend checking out open web I, as IT puts all the A I things into one ui with multi model model support, trusting that three times fast yeah, you cannot load all kinds of data sets for L M. To use as context and do all sorts of other stuff too. Thanks for the recommendation, Kevin.

Open with your eyes pretty cool. And i've been using IT for a while as my friend and for obama. And I just share IT out of my talent as as a front end for other people to use internally at work, actually fund enough and then they can use that to kind of hit my G, P.

U. In the basement and do whatever they need. They need to do for, you know, whatever they're doing with our EMS this week.

Have you tried the enabled upon documents and have to be super smart about that particular context feature, because that is a killer feature. I love that.

So what i've started doing actually for youtube videos is, rather than writing the tags myself, I upload the transcript into perp lexi ca, and then they generate me a comma separated list of thirty tags with this video.

And if IT goes, love that kind of stuff. Yeah, I, I, I open where you eyes next on my list to try out to. Because of also the searching, the search, X, N, G, whatever support built them. That seems killer as well.

I've seen a lot more of searching in the self hosted world since we died. Talk about IT like youtube OS popping up all over and yeah.

it's it's .

it's really gathering some steam so they deserve IT. Glad to see that.

but we did get some great boost that we have a nice bag of boost and source for is our boler booster. This week, he sent us one hundred and sixty nine thousand and sets, and he sent him an email about a bachelor of novos that he recently came into the ownership of. Very similar.

Any had a question of, like, should I build a cluster at home, or should I ve sent these out to folks and I told him, go through them all, take all the best working parts, build a few good working ones, send those ones out to folks, and keep one for yourself because, you know, then yeah, spread, spread the love around. Great opportunity. Icy sce, appreciate that nice boy boost.

yeah. Is a wonderful email too. Apparently he went through the back catalogue and picked out a couple of choice, choice moments, one of them in episode fifty four. Apparently I just casually dropped. Have you guys said of tail scale for the first time, ancient history this point and then no kidding. Episode seventy nine, around the forty four minute mark, currently only he died laughing where I talked about who need rulers when you have card, dex and C, D cases as measuring systems.

units like olympic swimming .

ls or jump w jet, people love that one as a measuring unit. Only they do.

They do. I love the lip pool on insta. Dave came in with ninety eight thousand, one hundred and ninety nine cats, long time signal member and a huge proponent of self hosting.

I'd love to see more people take the plunge, assuming there is a population users who are interested, what are the most significant barriers preventing individuals and small businesses from adopting itself hosting? And what steps could be taken to lower these barriers and increase interest in self hosting solutions or Better data sovereignty as a dollar? Dave, that's a zipo boost, which i'll tell you the location of you in the moment.

But i'm gonna guess so, like a zip code of ninety eight, something that's going to be like, yeah, I know two or no is beauty hills. So like eight to up in neck show IT.

You are right. You are right. That is in the seattle area. I believe we see .

out close there was this is a really interesting question. We've talked for many, many years on the linux desktop side about this mythical new linux user. And I think actually there's a lot more people coming to self hosting these days. And therefore, linux, because of things like home automation, because of things like self hosting media slacks or right kind of stuff than ever before. So what are the barriers that are in their way, complexity?

Complexity, I suppose, and ease, right? It's so simple to just go sign up for a service services to set up server. Yeah well, cost over the long term, you could argue self hosting, but short term.

you could argue short. Look at, look at the as we talked about brian earlier, for example, I minutes still a thick end of two thousand dollars, but the time we got some hard drives in there, yes, that's cheap ish for what IT provides over a five year period. But as you say, you know, the upfront cost of that is still it's it's a wedge. But look at .

what's caused all of the giant tech companies to just spend on building out their infrastructure. And IT has been workloads that just simply require large amounts of computer, and I think that holds true even in the hole lab environment. At the other into the scale, it's workloads that are large and storage, large and compute. And that is some of the first things that are economical to bring on to your own network storage.

For me, yeah, yeah.

yeah, yeah. Maybe video storage or maybe, you know I know maybe some business type of story. I think file servers instead like that are a great way to start for a business print hosting, things like that, that just naturally work Better locally than means not acceptable to internet outages. I everybody know A I know talks to a lot of folks in the grand forks area and while not common, you know they can have an internet outage at the office once, twice a year and at certain office is its devastating. And so he can go in there and talk to them about the advantages of running that infrastructure locally on their land or you know if they're okay, if they're not connection, he'll be probably be happy to and that infrastructure for them in their data center as well just kind of depends on the shop.

Yeah now has got some really interesting takes on this kind of stuff. One thing that occurred to me though is the. He had to fall of the money like he talked about.

Is so simple for us to spin up a cloud service verb X, Y, Z or whatever. And a lot of that is for the the connectivity piece that something like a tail scale, you know, kind of solves the remote access peace for self hosting for other people. But it's it's that fact that self hosting china is a grassroots type thing.

Be you look at harder is as a great example, it's someone scratching their own niche in solving their own problem. It's not a company trying to milk a few dollars a month out of view. And that's probably that's probably south hosting biggest feature and also paradoxically, it's biggest a killy heal really is that it's not creating shareholder of value, right? It's just scratching.

IT is in solving problems for small subsets of people. And so in terms of adoption, really IT would be finding a way to monitise those projects to attract the top tier developing talent. And then ultimately, of course, we end up in the initial ation phase after, you know a decade of that business model. But yeah, it's it's a tRicky paradox to solve that one.

Yeah I always love some input to and how you know how do you get people pass that first hurdle? Good question, dave, and stayed right down there. Thank you for the boost.

Bio drone comes in with fifty thousand sets. Hey guys, long time jb network fan here, especially so hosted you actually inspire me to start my own home motivation business in the U. K.

While sending device options to clients. I noted we need a Better way to compare between brands. So my business and I partner, my business partner and I built smart home index dot com, think PC part picker.

But for smart devices, what itll? It'll always be free. Little value for value system shows hoa system compatibility as well.

With love, the community's feedback. Smart home index dot com. A great idea.

Great idea. Oh yeah, oh yeah. This is that. This is that.

Where can I go? Hit the home assistant can be up. Pom, going to go check that home assistant certified box power. Look at that. I'm going to send this to west right now because he's slowly building out devices and stuff.

You know what I love about this? As well as he puts home assistant front and center right next to the other famous person. Yeah, yeah.

And IT makes you look like a real, a real thing, which of course he is to some of us. But you know like norms won't consider home a system. But maybe now also .

look at this ex. It's just common here for connectivity, like a lot of times of amazon. I got to like dig through the description to find out of a zig b or wifi or whatever like there's a this is so great on bookmark in this right now.

So how do we contribute to this if we this is a question for buyer drying himself. How how do we contribute data to this if we have a device in our house that we know works with a certain thing on a certain standard, like are you accepting crowd contributions or you mention its a business like what was what's going on there? Reach out to us. Let us know.

Yeah, IT does look like he does have A A contribute page, so i'll linked to that too. That is such a great idea. I'm surprised nobody thought of that before.

You know how, man? right? Link that up in the shown note. So if you're listening this.

thank you by a drone, right? So so answering the previous boost, what can we do to lower the barriers? This kind of thing?

Yeah, really no kidding. That's that is helping people pick the right stuff that works out of the box. Absolutely nice one.

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Mino came in a twenty thousand sats saying, thanks for the recent jelly fin and d google in discussion. And then user twenty one fifty four came in with sixteen thousand seven hundred and eighty nine cents. Alex, and we go.

I heard you guys talking about complexity before I had a chance to look into IT. I'm going to give you a try soon. I've been using open web.

I search in the integration in my chrome search part. So he has he's using he's got his on my bar set to search his open web U. I system. He says, that works great.

Yeah, I have that set up for search in. I would yeah much prefer to have that speaking to an intelligent right system.

That's crazy. Very well done. You said the conversation regarding skipping reminded me of a macos APP called clips IT provides historical le clipboard using comments and command shift Y I found extremely useful again that's called clips.

Um also following up on last week, boost IT was a typo um that was called cheap dw. I double checked a type of this time. Hope everything is great over at duper broadcasting. And that was across three boost. Thank you.

Used for twenty one five. Yes, thank you very much indeed. I am going down the IT hole. Develop a productivity tools hard these days on the mac. And I tried out a new window manager this week called arrow space, which is like a thilan window manager for Michael s. And it's it's gona take some getting used to, if i'm honest.

I ve got to check this out. What's a con?

Ero space is completely free, I think. okay. And essentially if you think if you are familiar with I three on linux, then it's such a very similar concept, but to keyboard shortcuts to do split and all the rest of IT and you know can have gaps and ba ba ba, you know it's right. It's pretty interesting. Take a lot error space yeah .

and it's open source, huh so that's that's nice. Usually everything on the map cost ten box .

or something know right?

Shout to peg dot. He sent us three thousand, three hundred and thirty three cats and gene being sent to us, a rod ducks, asking if we're doing the next version of jelly fin. Not yet.

I'm not. I'm still using the darker version. Probably my next install. Are you you you use an docker for jEllies install.

Oh yeah, you pride container. H from my cold .

dead fingers as I think yeah yeah I have right now a next cloud and um just like one or two apps that i've nixed because if it's working, I don't really want to tear IT down and rebuild IT into the next version when the container versions working just fine. So i'm just transfering.

I tell me where the nx module system really falls down for me in that regard. And it's versioning, right? I know that they the next project releases things every six months, but i've had stuff in the repose break mid release cycle.

Docker, for example, had an video package issue fairly recently. And you know, you think he said, I want to stay. Will releasing this? Shouldn't this this interface shouldn't be changing. And yet, i've had two or three instances now where that that kind of things happened. Most recently this week, answer ble failed to build a python three eleven, had an issue with ghost script or something and here, like none of those please .

and I just want to my .

packages guys like this is not i'm not even trying to great to twenty four eleven here. I'm just staying on the stable branch and stuff is breaking like us, not the best user experience.

Then a to rap us up. Linux teams there with ten thousand says he says he wants a search engine that lets him list a website to search first and then prioritize results from all these websites. You could like plug a bunch in there. He's one to do that something searching could do. Not that I know of, I don't think so.

I mean, if you go into the preference, like what what what you want to do is really have like a waiting of the engines, I suppose. yeah. So if you go into the preferences of searching, there is a way to do that, actually, if you go in, and you can actually do this for general search, image as videos, news or all the sub categories, for example.

And you can actually set eat, you know, dr, go out. The box has a awaiting of one, for example, but you could easily set up to one hundred. So that doctor go was always at the top.

So the way you might be way to do IT, there you go. Yeah, they go in the extream start thinking, alex, alright, that wraps us up on the boost. Thank you.

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