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Ep 456: Struggling To Find Your Purpose? This One’s For You

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Jean Chatzky: 找到人生目标是一个挑战,目标可能抽象、难以捉摸且不断变化。人们可能在工作或家庭生活中感到满足,但在另一个方面却感到疏离。拥有强烈的目标感可以降低抑郁和焦虑,并影响生活选择。 Dr. Jordan Grumet: 目标是关于现在和未来,与行动有关。它与我们找到高度满足感的行动有关。意义与目标不同,意义更多的是关于我们的过去和想法,而目标更多的是关于行动。我们不是找到目标,而是创造目标。宏伟的目标很难实现,并且通常是“非此即彼”的,容易导致失望。小目标更注重过程,更容易获得持续的满足感。我们可以设定宏伟的目标,但要对目标持更开放的态度,并将它们融入到日常生活中。宏伟的目标会导致目标焦虑,而小目标则更注重过程,带来持续的满足感。社交媒体和社会文化通常会鼓励人们追求宏伟的目标,这可能会导致焦虑。 “赢得游戏”的关键在于将更多的时间花在热爱的事情上,而不是讨厌的事情上。即使不喜欢工作,也可以通过调整工作内容或增加其他有意义的活动来提升生活目标感。我们可以利用金钱、人际关系、精力、热情和技能等工具,以及加法、减法和替代法等杠杆来改善我们的时间分配。我们可以将目标感融入生活的各个方面,例如周末、晚上、人际关系等。从事有意义的活动能吸引他人,并建立更深层次的联系。 作者通过减少生活中不必要的事情来找到目标感。财务独立可以帮助人们创造更有意义的生活,但金钱并非唯一工具。如果即使不付薪水也愿意从事某项工作,那么就不应该停止这项工作,除非被迫。找到目标感的三个步骤:意识到目标是丰富的;目标不是找到的,而是创造的;金钱只是工具之一,还有其他工具可用。退休储蓄目标并非一成不变,应根据个人情况进行调整。享受生活不必等到退休,应该平衡退休储蓄和生活品质。拥有养老金和社保的情况下,可以承担更高的投资风险。

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What is the difference between meaning and purpose according to Dr. Jordan Grumet?

Meaning is about the past and the stories we tell ourselves about our lives, while purpose is about the present and future, focusing on actions that bring fulfillment. Purpose is created through meaningful actions, whereas meaning is derived from our thoughts and reflections on our past.

What are 'Big P Purpose' and 'Little p Purpose' as defined by Dr. Jordan Grumet?

Big P Purpose is goal-oriented, associated with a scarcity mindset, and often leads to anxiety and disappointment due to its high fallibility. Little p Purpose is process-oriented, focuses on daily activities that bring joy, and is associated with an abundance mindset, incremental gains, and long-term happiness.

Why does Dr. Jordan Grumet suggest focusing on 'Little p Purpose' rather than 'Big P Purpose'?

Big P Purpose often involves setting lofty, hard-to-achieve goals that can lead to disappointment and anxiety. Little p Purpose, on the other hand, emphasizes enjoying the process of daily activities, making it more sustainable and fulfilling, even if the ultimate goal isn't achieved.

What tools and levers does Dr. Jordan Grumet recommend for building a life of purpose?

The tools include money, relationships, youth, energy, passions, and skills. The levers are the joy of addition (adding purposeful activities), the art of subtraction (removing tasks you loathe), and substitution (changing jobs or roles to align with your purpose).

How does Dr. Jordan Grumet suggest de-centering work to find more purpose in life?

He recommends using tools like money and relationships to reduce time spent on unfulfilling work and adding purposeful activities during free time. Additionally, subtracting tasks you dislike at work or substituting them with more enjoyable ones can help create a more balanced and purposeful life.

What is the significance of interpersonal connections in relation to purpose and happiness?

Interpersonal connections are crucial for happiness, as they provide a sense of community and belonging. Pursuing Little p Purpose often leads to these connections, as engaging in activities you love allows you to show up as your best self and build deeper relationships.

How did Dr. Jordan Grumet use the 'magic of subtraction' to find his purpose?

He subtracted tasks and roles he disliked from his medical career, such as general practice and nursing home work, and focused solely on hospice care, which he found deeply fulfilling. This process helped him clarify what truly brought him purpose and joy.

What are the three key takeaways Dr. Jordan Grumet offers for finding purpose?

First, purpose is abundant and can be found in everyday activities. Second, purpose is not something you find but something you create through meaningful actions. Third, money is just one tool among many, including time, energy, and community, that can help build a purposeful life.

How does Dr. Jordan Grumet define 'winning the game' in terms of purpose?

Winning the game means spending as much time as possible doing activities that bring joy and fulfillment, and as little time as possible on tasks you loathe. It’s about maximizing the value of your time by aligning your daily activities with your sense of purpose.

What role does the FIRE movement play in Dr. Jordan Grumet's approach to purpose?

The FIRE movement helped him understand how to use his financial independence to transition away from a job he didn’t love and focus on activities that brought him purpose. However, he emphasizes that financial independence is just one tool, and other resources like time and community are equally important.

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This chapter explores the core concepts of purpose and meaning, differentiating between the two. It highlights that purpose is about present and future actions, focusing on building and creating purpose through fulfilling activities, unlike meaning which is derived from past experiences and self-narratives.
  • Purpose is about the present and future, focusing on actions.
  • Meaning is about the past and our thoughts, deriving from the stories we tell ourselves.
  • We don't find our purpose; we build or create it.

Shownotes Transcript

Today we’re diving headfirst into a question that has sparked both inspiration and existential angst for centuries: Finding your purpose. It’s a daunting idea, isn’t it? Purpose can feel abstract, elusive, and ever-shifting — something we’re constantly chasing but rarely confident we’ve fully grasped. 

Dr. Jordan Grumet, author of The Purpose Code: How to Unlock Meaning, Maximize Happiness, and Leave a Lasting Legacy) has answers — and thankfully they’re not as complicated as you might think. 

CHAPTERS:

**00:00 **The evolving nature of purpose 

04:00 The difference between meaning and purpose

07:00 Little p and Big P Purpose  

22:00 Finding purpose using the magic of subtraction

33:00 Mailbag Question 1: Retirement benchmarks vs. life priorities

41:00 Mailbag Question 2: Rebalancing portfolios near retirement 

TAKEAWAYS:

  • Purpose is created through meaningful actions.

  • Rather than chasing lofty, big-picture goals, you should engage in daily activities that bring joy and fulfillment. 

  • Leverage all available tools—time, energy, community, and passions—to build a life filled with meaning.

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