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Ep 66: Member of Technical Staff at Anthropic Sholto Douglas on Claude 4, Next Phase for AI Coding, and the Path to AI Coworkers

2025/5/22
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Sholto Douglas: 作为Anthropic的Claude 4模型开发的关键成员，我亲眼见证了它在软件工程方面的显著进步，尤其是在处理复杂、不明确的任务时所展现的自主性。每次新模型发布，我们都需要重新评估其能力，并调整我们使用这些模型进行编码的方式。模型能力的提升体现在任务的绝对智力复杂性和模型能够有效推理和处理的上下文或连续动作的数量。Cloud Code等工具的出现，以及模型现在可以访问所有必要的工具，这在实用性方面是一个有意义的改进。未来，我们可能会管理一个模型舰队，而不是单个模型。探索个人管理带宽的极限，以及模型对经济的影响和生产力回报，是一个有趣的问题。模型的经济影响最初会受到人类管理能力的限制，直到我们可以信任模型自主管理模型团队。总的来说，我对这些模型的持续改进充满信心，并期待它们在各个领域带来的变革。

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Sholto Douglas, a key member of Anthropic's Claude 4 development, shares his excitement about the new model's advancements in software engineering and autonomous capabilities. He highlights the expanded time horizon and improved ability to handle multiple actions and access tools.
  • Claude 4 represents a significant step up in software engineering capabilities.
  • The model demonstrates improved ability to handle multiple actions and access tools.
  • The time horizon for task completion has expanded significantly.

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Sholto Douglas, a Member of Technical Staff at Anthropic, joined Unsupervised Learning to break down why coding is the clearest early signal of model progress, how AI agents are already accelerating research, and what it’ll take to unlock real-world breakthroughs in fields like biology and robotics.

 

(0:00) Intro(0:48) Claude 4(1:30) Capabilities and Improvements(2:29) Practical Applications and Advice(3:04) Future of AI in Coding(4:38) Managing Multiple AI Models(11:20) The Barrier to Agents is Reliability(16:35) Agents Conducting Research(19:54) Impact of Models on World GDP(25:14) Most Important Metrics in Model Improvement(29:53) Stories of Model Creativity(32:45) How Often Will New Models Be Shipped in the Future?(39:51) Day-to-Day Work of AI Researchers(46:46) The Future of AI and Society(51:26) Quickfire

 

With your co-hosts: 

@jacobeffron 

  • Partner at Redpoint, Former PM Flatiron Health

 

@patrickachase 

  • Partner at Redpoint, Former ML Engineer LinkedIn

 

@ericabrescia 

  • Former COO Github, Founder Bitnami (acq’d by VMWare)

 

@jordan_segall 

  • Partner at Redpoint