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Alexander Vindman's 'The Folly of Realism' suggests a long-term approach to Ukraine

2025/3/11
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安德鲁·林堡：本书探讨了美国对乌克兰政策的长期视角，以及如何结束俄乌战争的长期目标。 亚历山大·温德曼：我认为，特朗普政府奉行的绥靖政策并不能解决问题。这种‘俄罗斯优先’的政策持续了30多年，俄罗斯不会满足于这种程度的安抚，因为乌克兰人不会投降。目前的情况比特朗普上任前更加糟糕。我始终关注的是美国国家安全，而不是乌克兰或特朗普本人。自苏联解体以来，美国及其盟友对乌克兰和俄罗斯的判断一直存在偏差，错过了几个关键时刻，例如2004年的橙色革命和2014年克里米亚危机。我们本应该更强硬地谴责俄罗斯，投资乌克兰，并在2014年俄罗斯侵略时采取更强硬的立场，例如实施制裁和援助乌克兰武器。 现在，我们应该关注长期目标，加强与北约的联盟，支持乌克兰和台湾等可能成为侵略目标的地区。拜登政府也犯了类似的‘俄罗斯优先’错误，只是程度较轻，在支持乌克兰方面总是慢了一步。向乌克兰提供更多武器是结束战争的关键。俄乌双方力量失衡，但都认为自己即将获胜，难以妥协。特朗普政府试图结束战争的策略最终会失败，因为与普京无法妥协，最终需要选择美国或俄罗斯作为赢家。如果俄罗斯不妥协，就需要重新平衡，支持北约和乌克兰才能结束战争。

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This chapter sets the stage by introducing Alexander Vindman's new book, "The Folly of Realism," and his perspective on the long-term approach needed to resolve the conflict in Ukraine. It touches upon Vindman's background and his critical stance on the Trump administration's policies toward Russia and Ukraine.
  • Vindman's book, "The Folly of Realism," offers a big-picture analysis of the war in Ukraine.
  • America's failures regarding Ukraine predate the Trump administration.
  • The need for a long-term approach to resolving the conflict is emphasized.

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More than three years after Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine, Alexander Vindman is out with a new book on U.S.-Ukraine relations. Vindman, who was born in Ukraine, is the retired Army lieutenant colonel who testified against President Trump in the 2019 impeachment hearings. In his new book, The Folly of Realism, Vindman argues that the United States has taken an incorrect position towards Russia and Ukraine since the collapse of the Soviet Union, a period spanning six American presidential administrations. In today's episode, he joins NPR's Mary Louise Kelly for a conversation that touches on what Vindman calls the Trump administration's "Russia First" policy, the case for investing in Ukraine and Taiwan, and when the conflict in Ukraine might end.To listen to Book of the Day sponsor-free and support NPR's book coverage, sign up for Book of the Day+ at plus.npr.org/bookofthedayLearn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoices)NPR Privacy Policy)