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Christine Wenc's 'Funny Because It's True' calls 'The Onion' "the original fake news"

2025/3/31
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Andrew Limbaugh: 我一直对《洋葱报》的简洁幽默风格很着迷,它能用最少的文字表达出最大的幽默效果,这体现了其写作技巧的高超之处。 Christine Wenc: 《洋葱报》的早期成功与麦迪逊市的低廉生活成本密切相关。低廉的生活成本使得年轻的创作者们能够全身心地投入创作,并有更多的时间和空间去尝试新的事物。麦迪逊市为《洋葱报》的诞生和发展提供了肥沃的土壤。 此外,早期《洋葱报》的幽默风格融合了反讽、滑稽和荒诞等多种元素,深受当时流行的脱口秀节目等文化的影响。这种独特的幽默风格使其在众多媒体中脱颖而出,并逐渐形成了其独特的品牌特色。随着时间的推移,《洋葱报》的幽默风格逐渐从最初的荒诞转向更贴近现实的讽刺,并逐渐确立了其进步的政治立场,将其融入其幽默之中。 在911事件后,《洋葱报》发表的幽默报道,在当时紧张的社会氛围中给人们带来了慰藉和希望,并提升了其品牌形象。这一事件也标志着《洋葱报》在新闻讽刺领域的影响力得到了进一步提升。 我认为《洋葱报》是‘好的假新闻’,因为它旨在通过讽刺指出社会问题,而非制造混乱和破坏真相。它试图通过幽默的方式来改善世界,并通过讽刺来揭示社会的不公和荒谬之处。 Scott Detrow: (作为主持人,Scott Detrow 没有表达核心观点,而是引导访谈的进行,并对Christine Wenc的观点进行补充和引导。)

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This chapter explores the origins of The Onion, from its humble beginnings as an alt-weekly in Madison, Wisconsin, to its evolution into a multimedia platform. It examines the unique comedic style of its early writers and the factors that contributed to its success.
  • The Onion started as an alt-weekly in Madison, Wisconsin.
  • Its early humor was absurdist and tabloidy, influenced by shows like David Letterman.
  • Cheap living costs in Madison allowed young writers to experiment and develop their style.

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Hey, it's NPR's Book of the Day. I'm Andrew Limbaugh. I have this job in part because I love words, right? I've always thought a lot about word order, how to structure a sentence in the exact right way to deliver the message you have in your head, which

which is why I've always been fascinated by The Onion, the satirical news site known for its pithy headlines. In its heyday, the writing staff there were masters at maximizing real estate, getting the biggest laughs in as few words as possible. Author Christine Wentz has got a new book out about the beginning of The Onion. It's titled Funny Because It's True, How The Onion Created Modern American News Satire. And Wentz knows a thing or two about it because she was there when it was founded.

She talks to Empire Scott Detrow about how the onion went from an absurdist sensibility, you know, laughs for the sake of laughs, into something with the political point of view. That's after the break.

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Here's some headlines for you. Kitten thinks of nothing but murder all day long. Everyone involved in pizza's preparation, delivery, purchase, extremely high. Defiant Milosevic eats big sloppy sandwich during trial. Those are just three headlines from maybe millions to choose from that at one point or another have graced the front page of the satirical news outlet The Onion, America's finest news source as it has long called itself.

and also a leading pioneer in modern news satire. Its headlines, as you can probably tell by now, are often a range of absurd spin on real news or goofy jokes or sly subversiveness. The Onion has been around for nearly 40 years now, but where did it come from and how did it become so influential?

That is the story that author Christine Wentz, who was a member of The Onion's original staff, writes in her new book, Funny Because It's True, How The Onion Created Modern News Satire. Christine, welcome to All Things Considered. Thank you so much for having me. Before we get into the history, can I ask what some of your favorite Onion headlines from over the years are? One of my favorites, I think, is archaeologists uncover ancient race of skeleton people. I have a penchant for the silly ones. I like the raccoon headlines, too. But there are some good political ones also.

I was talking to Stephen Thompson, who works here now and worked for The Onion for a long time. And he said he loves the ones that can kind of write an entire story in one line. Like, Winner didn't even know it was a pie-eating contest. Right. Yeah, that's a really good one. Yeah. And The Onion now is something people consume on social media. It's a website. It's a video platform. It's a bunch of multimedia things. In the beginning, it was really just a tiny newspaper newsletter almost in Madison, Wisconsin.

Yeah, it was basically a form of the Alt Weekly, which was, you know, really having a resurgence around that time, I think. It was probably, you know, eight to 30 pages long, something like that, most of the time supported by advertisements. And the rest was all made up pretty much. And the book really gets to the fact, I mean, this is really in many ways a love letter to Madison, Wisconsin, where The Onion was founded. Yeah. Can you tell us about what made that place so special during the years we're talking about here when The Onion gets up and running?

When I think about that question, a lot of it is really around economics. It was cheap to live in Madison. You could get by on a minimum wage job and still have time for projects and a social life. And, you know, rent was cheap, you know, so it was really a place where young people had the kind of space to try new stuff. What's the best way you would describe the sense of humor of the early group of writers? Was it an ironic place? Was it goofy humor? Like what was going for laps in those pitch meetings? Yeah.

At the time, there weren't really, it was more loose than pitch meetings even. It's a Gen X thing, so there's lots of irony and multi-layeredness. There were local improv comedians writing. There were folks of that ilk kind of hanging around the office. So shows like David Letterman were really popular then. So there was a more absurdist kind of tabloidy vibe, I think, at

beginning and later it turned into the more straight AP style that people think of The Onion for today. Yeah, I guess for older listeners, a Letterman sense of humor from the 80s. You know exactly what we're talking about. Exactly, yeah. You write in your book about...

The early years when people working at the paper kind of realized, you know what, we can have a political point of view. We're going to express it when it makes sense to and we're going to have it kind of work its way into our humor. What what was the touch point for that?

Well, editor Rob Siegel at the time, he remembered an abortion bumper sticker debate that they were going to put. And their impulse was to post two different sides of the abortion debate on the front cover. But then he thought, well, no, let's just pick a side here. And at that point, The Onion, you know, sort of picked up the mantle of fighting Bob La Follette, right? And became often, I think, a progressive voice and a kind of

They're in favor of the area men and area women. You know, they support them, even though they sometimes make fun of them. And that's important for The Onion's kind of political point of view. I'm glad you worked area man into this interview. Yeah, I had to do that. Yeah.

One moment in particular, and I am of the age that I remember physically seeing this issue and just the tension-breaking laughter that it brought me in a very tense moment. This is the first Onion to be published after 9-11. I'm going to read just a few of the headlines.

Not knowing what else to do, woman bakes American flag cake. Hijackers surprised to find selves in hell. This is ironically right as the creative staff had moved to New York City. This would have been the first issue they were putting out as a New York-based publication no matter what. Then 9-11 happens. No one knows when and what is appropriate to make jokes.

The Onion staff thinks it over, pick up the story there and tell me how this iconic issue comes together. You know, they write about things that they're thinking about themselves. That's what I would have learned in like the million interviews I did myself.

And of course, they had just gone through this situation in New York City along with all the other New Yorkers. And they were very apprehensive about the response that it was going to get. And luckily, it actually made people feel very much better. And it gave people a lot of relief in their first laugh and really took a stand and went out there like before other people did and kind of made it okay to be funny again. And I think a lot of comedy people in particular, like really, really respect them for that.

And that really was a moment that elevated the Onion's brand, right? Yeah, yeah. Their readership apparently doubled in response to that, and they got a lot of attention, for sure. A serious topic like that leads to just the constant onslaught of very serious news that our news cycles have put themselves into in recent years. And the fact that, you know, misinformation, I think, plays such a key part in some of the stories that are consuming all of us.

You wrote that this is part of the reason why you wanted to write this history of The Onion, that the very intense news of today and the question about truth ironically made you think of the satirical newspaper.

It did, yeah. And the kind of conclusion I've reached on that is that the onion is good fake news, right? The onion is trying to make the world a better place. I mean, that's ultimately the position of satire, even at its most cutting and sardonic. That's what satire wants to do. It wants to help. It's trying to point out what's wrong. The bad fake news is trying to wreck the whole idea of truth and shared reality and sow chaos and all of that stuff. And it's a very, very different mission than what the onion is doing. Yeah.

That is Christine Wentz, author of Funny Because It's True, How the Onion Created Modern News Satire. Christine, I feel like I should tell you before we go that the sports team from my area is superior to the sports team from your area. Thanks, Scott. Thanks for talking. Thank you.

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