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She can do it all. And people love working with her. And I loved working with her. And today we talked about what is her relationship to work? What is her process? How important is it for her to feel connected to the stuff that she does? How is she dealing with this new version of fame and popularity? And how is it changing her life?
And also how important female friendships are and how you really haven't met everyone you're supposed to meet, even at my age of 53. So I'm really excited for you to hear what Catherine and I talked about today. It was a really good hang. It always is with her. So check it out. But before we start, guess who we have as a special guest today? Talking about Catherine Hahn and hanging in the studio, only Patti LuPone.
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Patty just checked in and said, got it. I'll have to be on my phone. Okay. Putting on slap now. I don't know what that means. I'm going to say, okay. Ha ha ha. Okay. Thanks so much. Okay. This is fun. So I don't know what putting on slap means. It either means she's slapping on makeup or that's some kind of Broadway term. Wait, is that a term putting slap on? Yeah. Slap is an expression for makeup. Yeah. Putting slap on.
I love you, Patty. I love you too, darling. Let me just put a little more slap on. So what are you doing these days? Singing. Are you...
Yeah. Do you have a show tonight? No, I have a show on Monday, but what I have tonight is an opera. You're attending it or you're singing it? No, I'm attending it. My friend is taking me. Let me just get the eyeshadow on, darling. Who can talk when you're putting eyeshadow on? But I'll try. My friend that wrote it is here because it just premiered and we're going to the Senior Citizens Special. He's calling it dinner at 5.30. Ha ha ha!
The opera starts at seven and it's three hours long. And so we're going to go and have dinner at the Met, which is very exciting. It's very, you know, you feel like you're in, I don't know, another dimension when you go into the Metropolitan Opera House. But it's pretty incredible just to watch the people that show up and how they're dressed and how they act. Daryl, I'm ready for you. Oh, you look fantastic. I look hideous, but thank you.
But let's talk about Catherine. Okay, let's talk about Catherine. So today's episode, we're talking to Catherine. We're doing this fun thing where we're kind of talking behind people's backs before they come in just to kind of hear more perspective about them and what you think I should ask her or, you know, what you'd be interested in hearing her talk about. And tell me how you met and...
your relationship with her? Well, we met on Agatha at the table reads, basically. Catherine, because she was the leading lady, was incredibly generous and incredibly open and incredibly inclusive and embraced, I think, the responsibility of a leading lady. And that's, you know, that comes without fear, basically. And she was fearless and generous and
And one of my favorite things about her is she snorts when she laughs. So, you know, she's having a good time. She's a big laugher. She's a big laugh. But when you get the snort, something was really funny. And that's, you know, one of her best qualities, her snort.
She is a real mix of a very poised and serious dramatic actor and deeply goofy. Yeah. Very, very funny. Yeah. And doesn't take it seriously, which is great. You know what I mean? I'm going to ask her about this, but I want to ask you too. I mean, the response has been huge for Agatha. It's,
It's viral TikToks. It's people waiting for you at the airport. Like the way you get this giant, huge new group of people who know you and know your work. What has that been like? I don't have the kind of response that Catherine has gotten. I mean, and I know that it's so weird because...
Because I do so many different things, some people know that I sing and do Broadway musicals, and some people know me from Steven's Universe, and some people know me from Life Goes On, and some people know me from Agatha, for Agatha. And the ones I've been getting more fan mail about Agatha, which is great, because who would think that I would end up in the Marvel Universe?
knowing nothing about it and choose to remain that way, knowing nothing about it. Any ideas of what I could ask Catherine today? Like any questions? I'm sure she's never thought about directing. And would she cast me?
I'm just curious to know whether she would want to direct. And of course, I need to get hired. And I think, you know, she would be a riot behind the camera. I think, you know, they'd have to take take after take. If it was funny and she snorted, I think she'd be a great director. I think she would be a great director. Agree. All right. Love you, Patty. Thank you so much. My pleasure. Talk to you soon. Bye. Bye. Bye.
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You know, I've only done a few episodes so far. This is very new. And I got a note recently from the great Bill Simmons, who is kind of like, I guess my boss. But he is so good at podcasting and has created an empire and has allowed me to come do it. And he said, lose the ringer. And he said, lose the laptop.
Why? Oh, just so it's like more conversational? I guess. Before I do, I just want to audition it one more time. How do you feel about it? Listen, I think that that's fine for him if he doesn't need one. But if you need one, screw it. This is your podcast. Well, I want to say to you and Bill that I like to look things up on here. It does take me a long time. Okay.
You're fact-checking as it's going on. I think that's good. Well, I kind of was joking that I had it to just make it seem like I was fact-checking, but I'm fact-checking. Have you ever used it? Yeah, I did. Okay, okay, okay. If it's just there for evidence. What if I was just watching? While I'm talking to you, I just have to catch up on the pit. Okay.
Wait, is that the medical procedural? Okay, great. With a guy who's already been on a medical procedural. Okay, great. It's supposed to be great. It's so good. Okay, I got to get into it. And that's what I want to talk about. Okay, good. Just kidding. Okay. I want to talk about paradise. Dr. Carter, a.k.a. Noah Wiley, is now in a new show, which is nothing like ER, but I'm a huge ER fan. But the pit is so good. The pit. So because Bill told me to get rid of the laptop, I'm going to put it in half-mass. Oh, good. Okay.
And then if I need it, I do feel like I want to watch something with you today. Yes, keep it there. Okay. Yeah. Half-masked. Okay. Don't close it. But Bill, I hear you and I appreciate the... Love, Bill Simmons. Love. And I have to say, I'm still trying to figure out the process of this. So I so appreciate you coming in mid-process. I am so happy. I love mid-process. You do. I do. I do because it's still...
Figuring itself out. So I like it. I don't like, it's better. It's more interesting than a well-oiled machine. Ooh. Yeah. Tell me more about that. Cause you're so, you do, you, I love that about you is you love the, the, the messy middle of stuff. I do because it's like a, there is like a little on your toes thing.
feeling of growth that's happening while you're in it. And that always feels like super chargey to me. If it's like, I don't know, it's more like sometimes it's good and like, you know, that you're going to hit this, this and this. But I love conversations. And I think, and I know you do too, that are like a little not so prescribed at the beginning. You're so good at them. You're really, really good at
um, hanging in. Uh, yeah. It's what makes you such a good person and friend, but, and also such a good actor is you, you can like tolerate the in-between, which few, I don't know if I can, I'm learning. I'm learning. Yes. It is uncomfortable sometimes, sometimes depending on what it really is, but just to sit in it and let it
I'm not talking about a podcast, but like life or like schmacting. Yeah. It's definitely like that kind of like uncomfortableness I think is like the time that you're going to be surprised. Did you know that – let me see if you can guess how many times, how many episodes of Parks you did. Would you know to guess? I would say between seven and 13. Ten. Ten. Ten.
Okay. It's kind of right between, but it was such a huge impact on my life. Like it's still the thing I get most recognized for. Really? Yes. And I just remember, well, first of all, you were the most incredible number one on a call sheet because you had dance parties at lunch every day.
And anybody that walked on that set just was filled with such confidence and such joy, which is I had the greatest time on that show. I have such... I don't have the greatest memory. That's where we kind of fell in love. But that's really, Catherine, where we, I think, actually met. My first kind of like real memory is in the trailer of Parks and Rec and...
We used to, Catherine is talking about dance parties and we used to do a thing where just like after lunch, we would play three songs. The great Autumn Butler, our makeup artist.
Had great taste in music and we would just kind of dance around for two or three songs. Yeah. The best. I think for me, a way to honestly just keep my energy up. Yeah. But it became a way to meet people in the trailer. And I remember two things I loved about you right away. How much you love to laugh. People that know you know that. If someone's going to break in a scene.
Is this professional over here? You know, I don't. Do you think you break? I have to be really serious in my mind. Like if I have because if it starts to happen, it is tears. Yeah. And mucus. But you I have seen you in bloopers and you're hanging in. Yeah, I do hang in. You hang in. I do. Yeah. You, in fact, go in harder. I think when people are. I have to.
I know it's a survival technique. I just have to dig in a little bit. I do. I go harder. I feel like every time I've done a scene with you, you are so good at improvising. In fact, like a lot of your character on Parks and Rec, Jen Barkley's moments were improvised.
Were they really? Well, one of the favorites, one of TikTok and memes and gifs and gifs is Poncho. Yeah, Poncho was very surreal. So let's talk about what happened. For people that have never seen that, tell us what that scene was. Well, I went to Ben and Leslie's house. I'm speaking as Jen Barkley, my character. I'm the first person. Wow. For people that aren't watching, she just transformed. I just transformed. Her eyes turned dark and she's a completely different person. A lot more hairspray.
I went to their house. They have children. I am not into children at all. I wore a plastic poncho so that I wouldn't get any sticky fingers or crap all over me. And at some point the kids rushed by with paint.
nail me with the paint. And at some take, just to make you guys laugh, I don't even, did not have any idea it was going to be any, I just swung my arms open and went, Pancho, Pancho. And that really has me kind of like a thing. It's like Batman's cape. I mean,
the best. Like I just wanting to make you guys laugh and just having so the, the energy is so loose. So I like, it's funny you say that I'm improvising again. I can do it if I know who I am and like the given circumstances and like that, I feel like I feel really free in that department, but just. Well, you know how like we, we were on set a lot and I would watch you work and I would say the same thing about Adam. And I wonder too, if it's because of your, both of your training, but I would watch the way you two worked and I,
You would have a moment where you'd stay really, really loose. But just right before the scene, and I can think of a couple of scenes, the great scene
where Jen Barkley is telling Leslie, no, basically, you know, you have to start thinking bigger, which is a huge moment in the show. I love the writing in that scene. Oh, my God, that scene. Mike Schur and the writers, like, I just love how they slowly took care of Leslie and they sent people in to give her these messages. And Jen Barkley is just this, like, Gen X ball buster who –
Who kind of sees something that Leslie doesn't. Anyway, in that moment when you're giving that speech, I remember very clearly right before the scene, you just took a moment. And I think we joked about it later because I was like, it was like watching, it was watching a real actor. Just staying one more second on Parks because I do think that-
It was such a formative time in my life, obviously, for many reasons. And one of them was meeting you. Yeah.
What I always use that us as an example of is that you never know who you have yet to meet. Yeah. I think, you know, when you're in your 40s, there's this feeling that you've pretty much, you have your old friends, your high school friends, you have maybe a partner and their friends, you have your kid mom friends. Yeah, college. College, yeah. You have like this, all these different groups of friends and you think, I think I've met everybody that's going to be my close friends. Yes.
I have, I re I know because sometimes those friends become just family, you know what I mean? As everybody grows and changes and like people there's there. So in my life, always, always, always, but we are very different people. I don't know what, you know, and you're right. There are people like, I think even I've been in a lot, a lot of projects where you get like intimate really fast and everybody says goodbye and
But then there are certain people where you, I didn't anticipate this. Like I did. That was the, the, one of the pleasures for me too, is like, I did not anticipate that you would want to continue to be my friend. It's gotten like deeper and deeper. I'm like, no, I don't know how to do it. I mean, like, I am so grateful for you in my life. We've like, we've been in the trenches. We've been in the trenches. Yeah. We have, yeah. We have like, we've been through a lot of tough times together. Yeah.
We've been very honest with each other. Yeah. We've like, I think we've really like taken great pains to see each other. Yeah. Yeah. Like we're making a priority. And I mean, I know how I feel about
how important that is for me, but what, what, how are, what are, how are female friendships important to you? What do they do for you? I think that the real female friends that I have, the deep ones are fewer than I thought I would have. Like the ones that are really, you know, have your back through anything. And there's a difference like these, it's so important to have
women in your life that aren't family to grow old with in a way that it's like you said, feels very honest, but, and also hilarious, but also doesn't feel like we have to keep up any, anything together, like keep up any sort of like
It just feels like, and also very affirming, like to walk into these next chapters together, it just feels like it's not as terrifying. Yes. The witch's road. The witch's road. Come in. Come in.
Yes. Coven on coven. Yes. Yes. That's why, I mean, that is why when I watched that show, when I watched Agatha all along, that was so moving. You just, basically you must hold hands with someone to go into the next step. And let's be honest, our female friendships and relationships are gonna, you know, with the exception of maybe our sibling relationships will probably last the longest. I know they will. And I think with,
My dear, dearest women friends, of which there are very few, that is such a source of comfort just to be heard by another woman. Yes. Without judgment, without like anything, but just...
Love. I know. I feel you. Speaking of other women. Yeah. So we do this thing where we ask people before we have a guest to chat about the guest. So like, I kind of like want it. I want to like love it. And we got Patti LuPone. No, you did not. Oh my God. The wolf. Patti. The wolf. The wolf. LuPone. LuPone.
Of course the wall. Oh my God. I mean, this is going to be the best. Well, first of all. What if it was like, ah, ah. Well, she can't sing, but. Yeah, not talented. No, she, she's so great. Isn't she? I know.
Talk about, you know, a new friend that I want to, I mean, I feel like I keep, I have to stop telling her or I have to stop asking her if we're friends. I just have to start believing that we are. But anyway. Oh, doll.
Call everyone doll. You're right to have someone that is like in a different stage of our lives that you can, that is so real. Very, very important. I don't know about you, but I get very comfortable around older women who are very bossy. Yeah. Because I get very relaxed. Yeah.
We're in good hands. We're in good hands. And the few times that I've hung out with Patty, she's like, we're going for a walk. And she tells me what to buy. And it's just. Okay. So tell me about how you. Was Agatha the first time you met her? Oh, yeah. Okay. And I remember when they said it was Patty LaPona, I was like, no. And then I met her at the first table read. And she just came in with so many questions.
Which, of course, like she knew nothing about Marvel. I barely know anything about Marvel. So she was like, OK. And it was just all of these very detailed questions. But then she just forgot and it didn't matter. She'll still be like, I don't know anything about Marvel. She did. She told us that. She did. She said, well, I don't know anything about Marvel, which I love. I know. And also...
And she said you guys met at the table, Reed. Yeah. And Agatha was a really big circus to lead. Oh, yes. And you had to do a lot of big stuff on there. A lot of swinging. Oh, my gosh. So much, you know, if one is to believe that acting is a little embarrassing. Oh, right. You had to do so much stuff. Burthing scenes and cringes.
stuff and holding hands and singing yes so much fine lines incredible stuff but like walking in the razor's edge because we knew if it went one way or the other it could be like oh wow and america voted and it worked america voted for if tiktok voted tiktok is my government okay i know and i gotta get on tiktok it's it's so i think it's wrapping up oh i know it's my perfect timing as usual
Still my AOL. That's like me in podcasts. I'm like, let me get in there. And everyone's like, now? And I'm like, yep, right before the door closes. But just for a second, what was it like to be on such a big show, having to make really big choices with all these incredibly big personalities and people? It was just, it must have been something.
We were all, there was no trailers to go back to really because we were kind of far away always. So we would set up like a little coven of our chairs in a circle. So we're like all of our crew chairs would be in a circle and you could just hear us cackling like the whole, like, I mean, we just laughed and Patty had a boom box and she would get up and like dance or start singing and we would all be like, it's coming out of her mouth right now. So Patty wanted me to ask you two questions. First, she said she loves your snort and we already got it.
We already got it once. I thought like, ooh, it's not as cute anymore. But it still comes out. I mean, you're talking to a person that laughs like a... I've been described as a raven when a raven...
When someone runs over a Raven's foot, that's how somebody described my laugh one time. So, I mean, I don't know what you're talking about. It's the greatest laugh ever. It's just, I have a very witchy laugh too. You have a very witchy laugh and a very, you do. And it's a cackle and a very devious laugh sometimes. It is. It is. It's a little cat that ate the mouse. It's,
I just love it so much because it's like a little devious. And then huge cackles.
you have a great laugh too. Like you laugh with your whole body. I do. I do. There she goes. But I really do. I do. I love a good laugh. God, me too. Have you always been that way? Was that, where did, where, like, have you always been that kind of person that loved a good laugh? In high school, it started for sure. And then I was like, you know, I went to an all girls Catholic school. So we had like a, I mean, that group was constantly making fun of the nuns. And so it was just like crazy.
crying all the time. Just crying all the time. Just like, ah, just floating maxi pads in the, like the St. Then like Mary's pond. Like there was like a statue of Mary and we just like, and the nuns were like, okay, so there are maxi pads floating in the, it was like always shit like that. Just like fun church giggle stuff. Stupid. Like you'd open up a locker and there'd be like a huge dick that she was like, pop, pop.
would pop out on a spring. This proves my theory that Catholic school girls were A, so bad. They were so bad. Well, because everything was, you know, uniforms and there was like church every week and it all felt like, I don't know if I believe in any of this. Yeah.
And then B, they were just like really ready to go. Yeah. Ready to go. Oh, I was like, let's go, let's go. And there were, I was like, any takers, any takers? And there was not takers. So horny. And I was like, okay. I was like, is it my over plucked eyebrows?
What's happening? Is it my Catholic school uniform that my mom thought I was going to gain maybe or like seven dress sizes? But I was literally like kids would go down and see my skirt and just pull it off me.
Like in school. So we had to wear boxers. Oh, yeah. Boxers were a big deal. Wait, it was just an all-girls school? Yeah. And they were pantsing you? Pantsing me. No, but they were skirting you. I did go to a co-ed Catholic elementary school, and we would have something called Friday flip-up day. So we knew to wear boxers because on Friday, all the guys ran around and flipped up your skirt. Oh, my God.
my God. Yes. And Thursday throw up day, Wednesday wedding day. I don't know what Tuesday or Monday was. And they would just flip up your skirt. And back then we were like, the price of being a girl. It is. We were like, oh, we better get prepared. We were like, maybe someone will flip up my skirt today. So fucked up. So fucked up. So fucked up. And the teachers were like, if you guys are doing the flip up, fuck.
outside of class. I don't want to know about it. And then I remember some guy, some kid, I was in sixth grade, called me gorilla legs because I hadn't shaved my legs yet. And I was like horrified by that. So I went home and I tried to shave and it was like a cheese grater. It was like I could see a curl of my skin before it started bleeding and I was like, oh, I still have scars. Oh,
I didn't know how to do it. I went rogue with my dad's shaver in the tub. Oh no. So that stupid boy. I was that stupid boy. No, I had a stupid boy tell me one time that I look like a frog, that my face looked like a frog. And I just, I still think about it. I mean, I still remember it. I just remember being like,
Oh, that's horrible. Yeah, but you just get that thing where you're like, well, I guess I'll live the life of a frog then. Like you just immediately are like, well, if one boy thinks it, then it shall be so. Then it shall be so. Yeah. I guess they'll just flip up my skirt and wear my boxers and shave my legs in the bathtub and have a face like a frog. I mean, it's horrible. Yeah.
It's horrible. The shit I got for my nose my whole life. Really? For the size of your nose? Yes. And that I had such a...
I'm such a like thing about it that I was like, when I'm 18, I'm getting a nose job. And now I'm so glad that I did it. No. Yeah. And now I love my nose. I just think people should know that you have never gotten any plastic surgery. Not that there's anything wrong with that. But I just think. But I think also we, I feel that way with you. Like it's like. We're in a treacherous time. This is a treacherous moment where you're like, have to leave behind all that currency that I really did. I wasn't, listen, I wasn't like.
That wasn't my currency in this business. Same. Which I think is helpful going forward because it's not...
Yeah. I'm like, but now you're, now you've gotten into mother phase, your mother Han. Now I'm mother Han because honestly, this is my Instagram thing that I haven't used to sit in the first fight. I kind of petered out on the dumbest one. I just haven't done it again. I put it on my computer and yeah, I haven't posted it. Literally it's the dumbest last one. I don't even know what it is, but it was just petered out. And we tried, my daughter tried to find a name for me and or like whatever handle and
Is that what it's called? Yeah, I think so. And we couldn't find anything with my name. And then we saw Mother Han, lowercase. And I was like, oh, that's funny. And she was like, you know the other connotations, though. And I was like, yeah, fine, I'll be cute. But then it has really a very, it does have a very specific connotation.
The following, which I love. That's what I'm saying is there's this amazing moment that's happening for you in general where, you know, people that have loved your work now for 20 years are seeing you get this kind of next level of, um,
recognition and, you know, all that comes with like the Marvel machine. Yes. And there is this also celebration at the same time led primarily by gay men, but not just gay men. And young gay women. Young gay women who love the lesbian kiss that you had on Agatha with her beautiful Aubrey Plaza. Yes. Like that are deciding to just be like, mother. And that feels like you're being anointed. Which I'm like,
it's Anne Bancroft in The Graduate. Like that's what it feels like. There's like a cougary vibe. Yes. Instead, but I also think that there's kind of like a, because I don't, I mean, that's not who I am, but I guess it also means like, I don't know. What do you think it means? I think it's like a way. Yes. Like a guide. I think it's like a way to compliment someone's
and fortitude without making them, while still making them feel sexy. Yeah. There's something that feels sexy about it because it's very Dom. It's very like, she will crush you. Like it's a little bit of like mother. Right. Um,
Maybe you should have done Instagram. You should have been, whoops. You should have tried to spell it out. But also there's a reverence to it, like a respect. There's like a loving respect. Again, someone else could probably break down the etymology and what it really means. And we all know where it comes back. It goes back to like the houses and, you know, like all the –
Queer culture back. Yes. Who are creating their own community and family. I love it. I know. It moves me so much. Me too. And it's, and it's, it's just, there's some, something that's happening right now. I'm noticing in real time where it's,
our age and our fifties and our business used to kind of just be on the way out. For the most part, there were a few, but a lot of them were not really regarded by young people as being vital. Yes. Producers of things. Yeah. And that is changing. It's kind of, it is changing. I never liked MILF.
I hated MILF. Me too. Why do we hate it? Well, because it's a porn term probably by a lot of young men that have a fetish for fucking older women. Mothers. Yeah, and also I didn't like it because it was like, oh, you'll still fuck them? Yes. Let me check. Yeah. They don't want to fuck you. Yeah.
I just checked. Gut check. Gut check. Butt check and gut check. Butt check. It's not happening for you, too. And it's like, oh, great. I know. It was like, well, I had a couple milfs. And it's like, oh, God. Maybe we don't like it, too, because it sounds like milk. Yeah, maybe because... Yeah, but it just feels like it's from the dude's point of view in like a gross, porny way. Yeah, mother feels a little bit more... You respect it. And it feels more...
gay adjacent, queer adjacent. So it feels a little. Yeah. Which I love so much. I love it so much. I love the very young queer women that are felt really like loved Agatha all along. Like that was such a huge part of our audience. That was very, very moving. I mean, you were the first gay Marvel kiss, right?
Or queer Marvel kiss. I don't know. I think so. I have a piece of paper. Let me see.
Yep. It's not on the, yeah. Oh, yes. Yeah. The first Marvel lesbian kiss, according to this paper. That just flew in. Hold on. It just floated down. From the sky. It's coming from the sky. Here we go. But yeah, it's pretty cool. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, it's cool. That's cool. And with Plaza. So it just could not be cooler. I know. I know. Our beautiful baby Plaza. What's going on?
I'm aware of it as you're, as a therapist, I'm aware of the time. It's 1148. I am so fine with going. Just letting you know, cause I want to respect your boundaries. You have a long press day. And so I know you have to do a lot of talking, but, and you have to eat wings. You have to eat hot wings. I'm so sorry. I don't have wings. I know I should be prepping before my diarrhea kicks in. I haven't asked to do that wings thing. You haven't. And you're like, no, I absolutely not. I could say hate milk.
So I don't know how I'm going to do it. This is going to be a disaster for you. No, it's going to be. Someone said peanut butter on toast beforehand. Line your stomach. The things we go through for press. I have no reason. What do we have to do? We have to line our stomach? How did this happen? How are we now doing eating spicy things? And spicier and spicier.
While being asked really interesting, really interesting questions, really great questions. But, um, but the way in which we're like, I guess, yeah, I guess for this show, I gotta have diarrhea for four days for four days. Ring a fire. Uh,
But I also, there's something about it that I was like, yes, because it just felt so, so unique that it just, I don't know, it's going to be hilarious. This is a really good example of what we were talking about earlier. Like, you're like, this is going to be fun. I'm into it. You're into the lack of control. Yeah. And man. Like, I'm like, am I going to vomit? Am I going to?
I don't know. We actually do. That is actually Friday, but I have a lot of other stuff to do. But I am. So I have a couple of days to prep my stomach. It's like a colonoscopy. I'm going to have to start eating light. But like in reverse, because I think I got to line it as thick as possible. So there is no way. Like my throat down to my colon has to just be lined. With bread. Yogurt, peanut butter, and just bread. Bread.
shoved in there. Show business, baby. That's what, that's why we got into show business to do stuff like that, to just eat weird hot stuff on camera for free. Um, but we were talking a little bit about the like way in which you're getting received. Like when you're out in public, that's a little overwhelming sometimes because of the fandom of it all. Like there's, you're in a machine now that's bigger than maybe some other ones.
And we were kind of talking about that feeling of like having to take on other people's energy. And how do you balance the introversion and extroversion part of what we do? Well. Please excuse her. Oh, God. Yeah, that's a good answer. We were talking about hot ones for a while.
I need a Pepsi. Oh, okay. Fans. No, you know, you're, I mean, Marvel is a totally different machine and I am so rarely recognized in my life. Like, you know, I just,
walk out like this. I don't think about it. So I'm like, you know, I had one meal with Carrie Kinney Silver, who I love so much. And she, someone came up to our table and was like, sorry, I have to tell you, I love you. And I think it's so hilarious. You go out of the house looking like this. And I was like, oh, thank you. My thing is when people go,
Can I tell you who you look like? And I'm always like, please don't. No. It is never... No, it's never going to be great. It's never going to be great. Unless it's ScarJo or something. Like, it's never. And it's also so...
So it's always someone who is at a hard 30 years older than who I am, which is fine, but okay. So let's talk about Philly justice before we talk about the studio and then we'll be done. Actually, one of the most, the thing I'm almost the most proud of. Okay. Can you explain to people what we're talking about? Okay. When we were, there was a bunch of the parks and rec actors. It was Paul Rudd, you Rashida, Adam,
And is that it? Yeah, me. We the original picture that Philly Justice was born out of was me, you, Rashida, Adam and Rudd. And it was we had like businessy outfits on. I think we were going to court or something or like. So all of us had like very businessy. And I don't know whose idea was it, but we took a it was whose idea was it?
But we were all in like kind of staggered stairs and what looked like the front of like a very, you know, a courthouse. We pretended we were on a fake TV show in the 90s called Philly Justice or the early 2000s. Yes. All crossed our arms. Yes. Then that became a text chain where we started pretending that we were just pretending we had been texting each other. Like as the actress from it, is the pilot going to be picked up?
Like we were going to do, like we were all very excited. It was like a David Kelly-esque show. So there was like some cachet. It wasn't like a shitty show. Right. Catherine is playing like a lawyer, question mark? Question mark. We don't know. And who has a very tempestuous relationship with Angie Martinez, played by Rashida Jones. Yes. And. We're not sure. Yeah. A lot of past. I mean, I think you guys are lovers. Yeah.
Amy, please excuse her. She knows not what she's doing. Like Robert Durst when he's guilty. Sorry. Every time I bring up being your lesbian tendencies, you start burping and we're like, hmm. Okay. But I mean, I remember thinking...
I can't believe how lucky I am that I'm working with people who want to also do this dumb thing. Yes. Like fun, dumb things to me are a love language. That's a way of like, it's like proves like safety, I guess, that if you're relaxed enough to do fun, dumb things and you're in the right place. Yeah. And the older and older I get, I feel like.
Just want that. Yeah. Like nothing is that important. Right. Great transition into your new show. Yeah.
And the studio. But it is, the studio is fun. It is fun. And you mentioned Catherine O'Hara. Talk to us about the show and the cast. I mean, Catherine O'Hara, another goddess that I couldn't believe. We've only have a couple scenes in it, but I have gotten to know her like through the press thing. And she is like, we were saying like what I want to, like, that's how I want to grow up. Yeah. Even though she's, you know, basically my aunt, but she is, I mean, on camera and not off camera, like,
just such a huge, a good egg. And it's Seth Rogen and Evan Goldberg, Seth stars in it. And they both wrote all the episodes and directed all the episodes with like one shot. They're all like oners or some invisible seams.
I know, but it's really incredible because we rehearsed each scene like a play. Like we had to rehearse it a gazillion times with the camera and then know when the camera is going to be on you and know like when to get out of the way for the camera. One still like try to keep eye contact. It was, it was like a, the challenges were so fun and juicy. And, and also you knew that if you fucked up one line in it, you'd have to go back to the beginning. So like the tension of everybody.
Really added to the tension of this fictional studio, Continental Studios, that Seth Rogen just became the head of and trying to save it. Like it can't keep it from the streamers and also the like balance between art and money. Like he's a lover of film that just wants to make like
you know, Fox catcher all the time. And they're like, you can't make it all the time. You have to make a Kool-Aid movie, you know? So it's like the, the tension between, and it's Ike Barinholtz is in it. Who's fricking hilarious. He's so good. The best chase. We wonders peach, hilarious. And, uh, Brian Cranston has like, uh, recurring as the, um,
the money guy on top of the studio. And, uh, who do you play? I play, um, the market, the head of marketing. Okay.
Your look is incredible. It is incredible. And I feel like there's a lot of humans in Hollywood that just dress label to label. So she's just totally decked out. Got a girl at Saks who will bring the shit to the office and she tries it on at lunch, has a tab running, running tab at Saks. Nice. And also probably, you know, what is it? Delay that Dover street market. A lot of like street brands. Yeah.
She has big nails. I remember that, right? Long, long nails. Yeah. And no personal life. So it's all feeling like a deep, empty hole. Yes. That she gets, that she just lives at her job. And is it a weekly thing or can we? It's weekly. Okay, great. I have to say overall, I'm enjoying a more weekly thing because I feel like we binged too hard. I do too.
Yeah, it gives me a headache and also makes me feel like a little bit sick. The binging is too much. It's too much. It's too much. And you lose the. Yeah. Swallowed at that time. I was like three. I can't do three on your podcast. Yes. What is wrong with me? I just swallowed. It's the rule of threes. You have to do one more burp for comedy. Maybe that was the third. It was just I swallowed it.
Now it's just a hot acidy mess. There are people I know that listen to these things and they have a hard time like with whatever it's called. What's the word when you don't like mouth sounds? Oh. Misophonia. Misophonia. Where they don't like the milky mouth sounds of people, which I understand. I understand it. I understand it. The worst is when you're talking to someone and there's little white cream on the creases of their mouth. And then when they talk, you can hear like, and you just want to be like,
Slide them a glass of water. You want to slide them. And I feel like this is the end of our interview because where are we back? We're back to water. We're back to water. How badly do you have to pee? Not at all. I've been peeing this whole time. Oh, right. Next time I'm going to wear...
Just, I don't even know how it works. If there's an adult diaper or just a bucket. No, you just pee. The thing, people don't tell you about podcasting. Yeah. Which I learned when I first started. Yeah. You pee anytime. You just pee in your seat. You have to. All of the men you're watching, they're constantly peeing. It's true. Just underneath their table. Gross. There's a stadium, buddy. Yeah. Or have you ever seen the women's version of that? I haven't. Oh! The women's version. When did you get it? My friend gave it to me. It's like a funnel because we could be like, rah!
It isn't like a straight shot. Okay. Keep it in my car. Okay. I thought you were like, keep it in my pants. I keep it in my bed. No, it's a funnel that you, I suggest getting it. You're supposed to use it for camping, but I have it for my car because sometimes you're in traffic and it's, oh no. Can you get that going while you're driving a car? Well, I have never, to be fair, I've never actually used it. Oh.
Oh, okay. But this, knowing it's there. I know. It's nice. That you have a backup. Maybe also sometimes if there's a questionable gas station restroom. I would rather cop a squat. I would rather pull over and pee than go to a gas station. I've done that before. Yeah. I've done that definitely in places that match, like the national parks where you like open the small one and it's just a hole. Yeah. I just think. I don't want to look at it. I've just pulled over and opened up my car door and just peed. Oh.
I think we all have. I mean, what are you going to do? What are you going to do? No, no one wants a UTI. And you can't be like a man and pee in a bottle like a- Oh my God. Have you ever been- There's some streets in New York City. I know this is getting long, but there's some streets in New York that are like the arteries for getting off the bridges or whatever. If you walk down, it's like filled-
Coke bottles with urine. Men are so fucking disgusting. But I have to tell you, okay, last thing. I'm so sorry. Sometimes I'm like, women, lift up the freaking seat. A hundred percent. I'm like, I've sat so many times on other women's urine. Women, you cannot pee on a seat to protect your own germs. I know. You can't not sit on a toilet seat so that I have to pee.
to sit in your pee. Yes. Lift it up. It's disgusting. Also, if you're really that weird about it, put toilet paper on the seat. They have to.
They have things for you. They have things. Don't squat on the seat, pee on it, and then leave. And then leave. You know what? Women are disgusting too. Or wipe it off with a... And you're like, I know you just tried to wipe it off, but it's still there, bitch. You're talking to a gal who left signs in a... I think it must have been when I was at SNL. I was like, who is peeing on this seat? Yes. I was like, hey, newsflash. This is...
A disaster for those that follow. This is a restroom for a lot of women. Yeah. Well, last thing, growing up in Cleveland, we had faulty, what's it called? You know, when you flush a toilet. Oh, plumbing. Plumbing. Ah, age. But my dad had a sign above the toilet that said, poop flush, wipe flush. And the toilet paper in there would overflow immediately. Poop flush, wipe flush. Poop flush, wipe flush. I'm going to leave you with that.
But I think these are important things to say. They are. They are. They are. We don't talk about it, but these are. But also, just women, lastly, lift up the seat. Just to clarify. Gives us a bad name. You don't have to lift. Yeah, don't. Just sit on the seat. Sit on it. Sit on it. If you don't feel like sitting on it, lift it. Sit on the seat. Sit on the seat. What? Like, where are we? That's why they. Just where are we? You're so lucky to have a seat. Dude.
There's a lot of people that just have to squat. If someone ran for like Congress and their whole thing was sit on the seat, they'd win. They'd win. They'd win. They would win. Sit on the seat. I'm going to start making bumper stickers. Okay. I'm asking, I'm asking a bunch of people cause you love to laugh and you have a great laugh. I'm asking a bunch of people, what are they doing right now to make themselves laugh? Like what is the thing you're watching or doing or listening to? What cracks you up?
Um, my dog really cracks me up. He's such a little weenus. Everything. His name is Banjo and he's such an idiot. He has a, he's such a mutt and he has his tail that's always so high. So he's got a really aggressive asshole and everything he does is so stupid that
That he makes me laugh so hard. He's a dingo. Like everything he does is gentle. What does he do? He'll get outside and he'll do laughs back and forth as fast as he can from one side of the lawn to the other. He won't stop. And he has this corn cob that he can chew. It has a sound in it. And he'll just look at you and be like, and you hear the horn going on for so long. And so his anxiety is funny. He has had a cone on for a third of his life.
Because he constantly is eating something or he'll look at you like, ah, there's this blood gushing out of his back leg. And we're like, Banjo! He licked the skin off of his own little paw because he just was stressed out. And then he keeps licking it. So he's had to. Yeah. So who would play Banjo in a movie if he was a human? Oh. It would be. It would be. He's got a lot of white male privilege. Yeah.
He is so blonde. It's not Patrick Schwarzenegger because he's really great. I mean, honestly, it's a young Leo is really what it is. It's a young Leo. It's a young Leo. It is. It's like a... Yes. Maybe it's the kid from Baby Girl. What's his name? Yes. Right? His... I don't know his name. Fuck, we'll never know. The two of us. We have a laptop. We can't figure it out. Harris Dickinson. Harris Dickinson. Maybe it's a Harris Dickinson. Yeah, with a little more like...
say but I can't I forgot it already his day focuses at five o'clock that's the only thing he holds on to is dinner at five everything else is chaos and all of a sudden at 445 he's like I love him so much good news we just got we just heard that Austin Butler is excited to read for banjo oh okay so okay maybe I'll put him out I'm curious to see his I'd love to see him read I would love to see him read
I'd love to see him read. Can't wait to get the tape. Okay. Love you. I love you so much. Okay. Thank you to Catherine Hahn, our great hilarious friend, man. That was so fun. She's so funny. And she was reminding us about dance parties, which we used to have on the set of parks and rec. And I want to remind you, you can always have your own. All you need is three songs, one other person. And, uh, and, and,
the want and need to have fun. So do it now. Let's start with Brass in Pocket by The Pretenders. Take it slow, warm up and stretch. Then go to Red Wine Supernova, Chapel Rowan. Sing all the lyrics really loudly and point to each other. And then finish by going to the club.
with a little Rihanna, We Found Love in a Hopeless Place, and pretend that you've lost your purse on the dance floor and run around. Three songs is all you need to change your day. Thank you guys so much for listening to another episode. Thanks for hanging.
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