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Hello, everyone, and welcome to another episode of Good Hang. Boy, we have a superstar, a pop star, an incredibly talented, wonderful woman named Renee Rapp joining us today. We're so excited to have Renee here. We are going to talk about so many things. We're going to talk about falling in love. We're going to talk about standing up to bullies. We're going to listen to her new music, which is incredible, her record,

Bite Me is coming out at the end of the summer and her new single, Leave Me Alone, is out now. It's so good. And we're going to talk about what it means to make music during these times. It's fun and funny and I can't wait for you to listen. And we start these podcasts the same way all the time. We try to get our guests' friends or fans or people who want to give me a question to ask our guests questions.

on the line. And today we have Cara Delevingne, beautiful actress, model, director, gal about town, a total delight. And Cara is joining us from Paris and she's going to tell me what to ask Renee. Hi, Cara.

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Hello? Kara?

Hi! Hi! How are you? It's nice to meet you. Have we never met? I mean, I feel like perhaps I've walked past you at an event. And I've never stopped you and hugged you? Not yet, but now. Like, how rude! Like, I feel like I just, I adore you and I'm such a huge fan and I feel like I know you so well because I think Parks and Rec probably saved my life during COVID. So, like, I feel like I know you. So if I'd seen you, I would have run up to you and

Probably kissed your feet if I'm going to be real with you. I just got back from work, so I'm just getting into my hotel room, and then I will sit down. Of course. Take your time. We have people doing these Zooms from restaurant bathrooms, from set, from cars. Oh, perfect. I'm talking to Amy Poehler. I'm on her podcast. My girlfriend's a big fan.

She's freaked out. She doesn't understand. I would tell the camera, but she's naked. Oh my God, that's how I imagine your life. That's exactly how I imagine your life. We love the podcast. I know, we do good hang. We are good at it. We're the best at it. Okay, so we're talking to the great Renee Rapp today. Who? Exactly. My favorite. Your favorite. My favorite. Can you tell me how you guys met? I literally don't even think we've known each other that long, but...

uh, through my old manager was like, you know, I always want to be behind the camera in as many ways possible. And I think music videos is a great way of doing that. And he was like, would you be interested in, um, directing a video for Renee rap? And I was like, yeah, obviously let me, let's talk though. Let's get on the phone. And what I realized about Renee, again, for someone who is nearly 10 years younger than me, she is

I mean, a consummate professional, her voice can just like break me to the floor while also like lift my spirits. But also when you've worked with someone who's a musician, who's also an actor and who's so brilliant and just can like take direction, take notes, be spontaneous, um,

Yeah, she's so good at that. Okay. And then my question to you is, what do you think I should ask Renee today? There's a lot I know about her, but I want to hear what you think. I had so many questions that I wanted to ask. And then I realized a lot of people won't understand the question. So for everyone, the questions that I wanted to ask her, number one was, if she was a drag king,

So not a drag queen for the people that don't know that drag kings are dresses in drag as a man. What would her drag name be? Great. Very important. What would yours be? Okay, let me think about this. Well, I'm going to think about the old trick where you sometimes take the street you grew up on and your first pet name. So mine would be Bradley Algonquin.

hot. I can imagine the dance you're doing too. Yeah. So my guy, I think would probably be a professor, like some kind of professor with a mustache. With braces, a bow tie? Yeah. And just, and he's just like, uh, he's just kind of like sternly telling you to get your work done. Obsessed. Disciplinarian. Professor Algonquin.

I can't claim this one, but someone, a drag king is called Clit Eastwood, which I just think is just... Come on. Incredible. I wish I'd made that up. It's not mine. I don't know what mine would be, but I'm not the one being asked questions. And the other question would be, oh, oh, if Renee had to be in a girl band like the Spice Girls, it doesn't matter how many people of female...

singers, rappers, whoever, dead or alive, who would it be? Honestly, that's the hardest question, I think. Oh, that's such a good question. Renee is going to be so happy that we talked today, I think, because, you know, these are always surprises. Fuck Renee! Any excuse to talk to you, Emmy, goodnight. Thank you! You're the best! It could have been for anyone. Oh my gosh. But no, I love Renee. I'm so glad it was her. I'm so told like this.

Okay, well, just come back next week and we'll just talk about whoever that is. I will. I'm going to find a job to do so I can just come and talk about it. Yes, please. I would love that. That's how it works. Okay. Thank you so much for your time. Bye. This message is brought to you by Apple Card. Calculators make complicated things simple, like finding the square root of pi, figuring out how long you should tan, whether or not you should cosign for a car, and whatever those other buttons mean. What's not complicated?

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Subject to credit approval, Apple Card issued by Goldman Sachs, Bank USA, Salt Lake City branch, terms and more at applecard.com. Renee, I'm so happy you're here. I'm so excited to be here. I've been listening to your, I've been lucky enough to listen to your, can we listen to your song right now? Please. Okay. Of course. I love this song. Thank you.

Is it weird to listen to your music? I mean, I'm forced to listen to it a lot. So, no, it's not weird. Is this your first single? Mm-hmm. It's fun. It's so good. Thanks. It's got like a Runaways, Joan Jett vibe. Oh, 100%. 100%. I know I like it. And it's very crunchy. Thanks, dude.

Thanks. I'm partial. It's so good to like music. A hundred percent. I really like your music. Of course. Thank you. It's very sweet. I really like your music. Thank you. Thanks. I'm glad that you like it. It would be shit if you hated it. Yeah, I wouldn't tell you. You can tell me. You know what I mean? But this record is so good. Congratulations. We're going to talk all about it. Thanks. How are you today? How are you feeling today? Good. Renee Rapp.

Yeah. I first met you without you meeting me. So I guess I should say I first saw you on Tina Fey's phone. Love. I mean, that's kind of like a sick...

thing for me to know that that's where you first seen me. I'm like, oh my God, that's so cute. I saw Tina said, listen to this woman sing basically and played a video of you singing. And we both kind of watched it together in awe, as I imagine a lot of people do when they first hear you sing. Thanks. And

You were, you know, I think you were already hired maybe at that point to do Mean Girls, which was, give us a sense of what time that was. What year was that? Probably 2019. Right. And you were how old? 19. Dang. And what do you remember around that time about getting that part? I was just like so entitled. I was just so entitled. I was just like, yeah, okay. Yeah.

Sure thing. You were like, I got it. Nailed it. Yeah. Do you remember the audition? Yeah, totally. What was it like? I auditioned a bunch of times. And when I first auditioned, I remember I was like, I need to dress really girly. And at that time in my life, I was like, I mean, I was dressing horrifically. First of all, I was dressing like an infinity scarf, a legging.

Like, I was, like, my, like. And you're telling me those are not cool? No, no, no. Like, I love a little, like, small infinity scarf. You know, like, tiny knit. Yeah. But that was just, like, I don't know. I was just dressing crazy. I was dressing crazy. I'd also, like, just started making money. So I discovered, like, athleisure. And I was, like, a musical theater person who was moving to New York. And I was, like, fuck. You guys all wear these little fucking Lululemon skirts. Right. Right? Right.

assholes. I gotta get one. So I was dressing crazy. So I was like, alright, I gotta dress the part. And I looked fucking insane. I just looked so terrible. And I remember being like, I can't walk in these heels and this skirt is like making my ass sweat so crazy. I have to go home. And I did a terrible, terrible first audition. It's true. The wrong clothes can ruin... Fuck you up. Yeah, big time. Fuck you up. I...

Ugh. Hated it, hated it, hated it. So then the next audition I went back, changed clothes, wore some pants, skinny jeans. Eh, that was nice. And I looked less bad, did better. What did you sing for your audition? Do you remember?

No, but I remember that an ex-boyfriend picked it out for me. Yeah, because I was like, he was a musical theater major in college and just smarter than I was. And he was like, oh, I think I said something. I was like, I'm going to sing like a Beyonce song. And he was like, what the fuck for? He's like, cool. But at that time, it wasn't like...

You know, the girls weren't doing pop like I think they are now. Yeah. And he gave me something. Fuck, I don't remember. He was like saying something from HMS Pinafore. Literally. He was like, Pirates of Penland. He was like, Joseph's Technicolor Dreamcoat. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. So I remember I did that. And then after that.

The auditions I went back, I just had to sing songs from the show. That was way fucking easier. Yeah. Because I hate having to make decisions. Written by the great Jeff Richman. Let's give it up for Jeff Richman. I love Jeff Richman. Who's an incredible musician and Tina's husband and my friend for many years. He's so talented. There are no two people cuter. It's kind of outrageous. They are a power couple.

It is kind of outrageous. And I am not the biggest fan of musicals. Sorry. I like them. I don't love them. That's okay. I'm not either, to be fair. I love the Mean Girls musical. I love the music in it. It's really fun. Yeah. It's really, really fun. And the music is really good. What was it like doing a Broadway show? And how many shows did you end up doing before COVID hit? I mean, it was super fucking hard. I don't know. I did like six and a half months. So I did like half of what would have been my contract. Yeah.

Just like did a ton of fucking shows. You just do literally so many. Holy shit. And the hardest part of your day is at the end of your day. Absolutely. Actually, do you know what? No, the hardest part of my day was like the mental game of waking up and waiting the entire day. Yeah. And planning your entire life around doing a show at night. And I want to, I know you identify primarily, you know, like you identify gay. Yes. We're going to talk about that. No, no, go ahead.

Rude. Yeah. But you identify as a musician and singer in many ways more than an actor, right? Is that true? I think so. Okay. But I do want to just talk about the Jimmy Awards. Please. Because for people who don't know what the Jimmy Awards are, what are they for people who have never seen them? The most intense...

Scary. Yeah. Scary. Really intense. And I don't say that about other people. I mean that more about, like, myself. Like, I was a fucking terror. I didn't make a friend the entire week. So they're a high school competition. Yeah. Okay, so, yes, actually. So what it is is a high school theater. I'm like, scary. You went way in. Yeah, no, it's a high school theater competition. Ugh.

All across the country. Yes, correct. And everyone kind of competes. And a lot of like very famous people have been discovered through the Jimmy Awards. You being one of them. Do you feel like you were discovered because you did the Jimmy Awards? Like in many ways? I feel like, I mean, it definitely like, it definitely gave me like,

leverage because I was like just kind of an asshole and I was like you guys are going to pay attention to me whether you like it or not. Yeah, you were really feeling like that's the when I watch your performance on it that is definitely what I feel is this vibe of I've arrived and I'm ready. You felt that then? Like

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Have you always been this kind of person? Renee, like if you had some kind of inner compass that like tells you you have? Yeah, definitely. Where do you think that comes from? I literally have no idea. Like from inception to now, I don't know.

Same way. Same way. Like, always. And don't get me wrong. Like, I think my parents have those qualities, absolutely. But, like, even before, you know, when you're, like, a little tiny thing and you start to sort of, like, take on parts of your own personality and as those become, you know, what they are, I was always, like, just, like, super driven, crazy, like, little bit angry and, like, ready to go. Yeah.

And do you think you, like, this is a little woo-woo, but do you think you've lived before? Do you think you've been here before? Because that's a very, you know, it's like, did you think you arrived with some, like, are you a reincarnated? There's no way, because I wouldn't have come back. I'd be like, I'm not doing this shit again. I'm like, I'm not doing that shit again. No, this is your first time. Gotta be. You're so centered. Gotta be. From a little, from a young age, you know who you are. Definitely. I think I'm just very, like...

I just always been very feisty. Yeah. But also when I was like being born, I guess. When I was being born and like in my mom. When I was there being born. When I was like shooting out. Yeah. My mom like chose my first and last name to be. Okay.

chose my first and last name to both have like R's. Yes. She was like alliteration just in case she wants to be a pop star. Like before I was born, which is so fucking head ass and is so conceited. And I'm obsessed with the way she did it. I'm like, thank you, God. She gave you a pop star name just in case because Renee Rapp is a huge pop star name. It's a really good one. And Renee Rapp is a huge pop star.

Do you remember the moment when you sang or when you watched people realize that you had an exceptional voice? You have an exceptional voice, beautiful voice that can do so many things. And everybody says like, oh, my kid's a good singer. You know, my daughter loves to sing, whatever. But there is always a moment where...

somebody sings and everyone looks at each other and says, holy shit, she's really good. Do you remember a moment where you or someone locked in and knew, you know, your ambition and talent were matching? It didn't match for a very long time. Really? No. I don't think. Are you hard on yourself? 100%. But also, my parents were never like, my kid's a fucking star. Yeah. They were like,

Like, I would, like, come off of, like, a stage or even, like, I played a lot of sports growing up, come off the field, like, court, whatever. And they'd be like, you know where you messed up? And I'd be like, I'm five. This is crazy. This is crazy. But also my dad has relative pitch, so he's very musically inclined. What does that mean, relative pitch? So basically, like, if I was flat, he'd know. Like, he has a really good ear. He has a really, really good ear. So...

He was always like, you know where you were flat, right? So I was like, fuck. So they were really getting you trained. Like, are you trained? Or did you ever do any musical training? I did, like... I was in choir. Yeah. I was in choir. I took piano lessons when I was a kid.

But they give me panic attacks. I got very stressed. And I would start crying. So I stopped. Good. Got rid of that. But I did... I feel like choir was, like, how I learned kind of how to, like...

So I don't want to say like, no, I have no training at all. What were you? Were you alto? What were you in your… I was an alto in choir. You have the hardest lines. Thank you so much. You have the hardest lines, yeah. Because altos sing like they're far away from the choir and singing a different song. Yeah. Oh, 100%. They're just like…

I will tell. Yeah. And the sopranos are, what were you? Were you a soprano? I was a soprano. Congrats. I was a soprano. Thank you. But also, sopranos are bitches. Yeah. If you're a soprano, everybody's like, oh. They're like, oh, congratulations. You get to sing the song. Right. Exactly. The altos have to sing some weird dirge that is underneath the song. Of course. It's like, you know, the All I Want for Christmas is...

what the fuck? Yes. Outda line. Okay, what is it? It's just like, okay, you sing the, I don't want life for Christmas. There is just one thing I need and I,

Like it's the same shit the whole song. And that's exactly what being an alto in a choir is. And then occasionally having to memorize the most difficult line of music. It is. It has nothing to do with what the song is. Couldn't be less. It is so confusing. And you know what happens when those altos go away? Song falls apart. Falls apart.

You have like a very shrill, pitchy soprano and like tenor boys who are like not at all developed yet. Yes. Singing like shit. Yeah. The altos are gone. They're the bottom of the pyramid. The altos are like when you do the cheerleader pyramid. If all those bottom gals decided to just leave. What do you do when the bottoms are gone? Yeah.

We always say that. What are you going to do when the bottoms are gone? Nothing to top. Nothing to top. Nothing to top. No one to top if the altos are removed. Nope, that's what my girlfriend needs. Me. That's it right. She needs me. It's interesting. What I'm realizing is I'm asking you these like technical questions, but I'm realizing how you come to singing is very intuitive. It's like what you're feeling in the moment. Totally. So do you do vocal warmups? No. No.

Can't do it. What? Don't like them. Don't like them. Makes me too anxious. Puts me in my head. Anytime I've ever done a warm-up before a performance, I have done so shit.

That is so interesting. I can understand that because it then becomes very important. Yeah. And I'm like thinking about it and I'm thinking about the like different technicalities or whatever my voice and I don't... That's not how I learned how to sing. So I don't think...

Whenever I try and do that, it's kind of like going back on the actual thing that I know how to do. How did you learn how to sing? How would you describe it? Listen to Beyonce. Tried to match it. Like genuinely. I was like, well, this is it. Yeah. So I got to do that. Yes. You let music come from all around you and you brought music in and you're less concerned about trying to be. 100%.

Yeah. 100%. Have you met and talked to Beyonce? I have met. I have met Beyonce. Would you like to tell us? Would you like to tell us how? I was forced. Okay. By? I was forced. Management? No. By one of my best friends who is like just she will always introduce me to someone. Always. She's like, you must. And for Beyonce, she was like, this is your like.

Like, this is your everything. Set the scene. Where were you? So we were at a party after I just told everybody at this Oscars party that Nemo was the best film ever made. And they're like, cool, she's going to work for a long time. And we went to an after party and I was with

Like, two or three of my really good friends. And my friend Cara is, like, the best person to have out with you because she is, like, your biggest cheerleader ever. Is that Cara Delevingne? Yes. She, like, she will take... She just, like, will literally, she'll be like, Renee, I gotta, like, hold you for a sec. Like, she's, like, one of the greatest friends on planet Earth but knows how much I love Beyonce and is really fearless about it. And, um...

I was like, oh my fucking God. I was like, Beyonce's literally... Standing. Here. That's so crazy. And the whole day she had been saying, she was like, we're just going to introduce you to her. Like, they invited you. Like, it's okay. Like, she... Like, you guys... Like, I'm sure that she loves you. I was like, no, no, no. Like, we really should, like, tone it down. And I was...

Did you see her in the room? Yep. No, definitely. Okay. You had some liquid courage. She was in the room. Yeah. She was in the room and very blonde. And I think like probably the most beautiful person I've ever seen in real life ever. And I love my girlfriend, but like she knows you don't compete where you can't compare. And I... Oh, I like that saying. Can't... Like, what are you going to do? You put anyone in a category with Beyonce, it's going down. So... Sure. Yeah.

Kara was like, you must say hi to her. I'm like getting so anxious talking about it. It makes me... I'm like, I could vomit. She was like, you have to. And I was like, you walk me up there, bitch, and I will kill you. I'll kill you in front of everybody here. But it sounds like you meant the opposite. The truth is I didn't. You didn't. Oh, she dragged me. And I was like having such a like a visceral... I was like, this is my hero. I can't do this. I would never even like want to bother her or anything. And...

I just and she's like, oh, my God. Hi. I was like, you don't have to do that. It's OK. Love you.

Lovely to meet you. You got really sleepy? And I just was like, I couldn't look at her at all. I also was super, I love to have a good time. And I was gone. So I was like, hey, so nice to meet you. Thanks for having us. Like, you know. Like, basically, you hurried her along. Oh, she didn't get a word in edgewise. I was like, I gotta go. And she was like, oh, that's so lovely of me. I said, no, no, no, don't even worry about that. You just have a good night, ma'am.

I'm going to head on out. You're like, we're going to get you in the car now and we're going to get you home. I literally, I turned around maybe three feet, middle of a party, middle of a party, screamed, top of my lungs, turned around in the car and I was like, ah! And she was still very close. Yeah, she was super close. I could have walked a bit further. Ah!

But I was so—I was like, I can't do this. It was the greatest night of my life. Do you want to meet her again? And do you think you'll be cooler when—no, that's it. We can't talk. We can't talk. I know you mean like sometimes you just don't want to meet. I can't. It's too much. Also, she'll be like, this woman just screamed like two feet away from me. And I'll be like, I totally did. I'm so sorry. Like, how could I ever do that around your ears? She probably is used to people like—

Hearing people... Totally. Yeah. Tweak. Tweak after they meet her, for sure. I once met Prince at SNL. He came offstage after doing a soundcheck and walked past me, and I said, how was your summer? That was what I said to him. What did he say? He was like...

He just went like, hey. Like, can you imagine that being the question you asked Prince? Yeah. Terrible. No, it's good. Okay, let me talk about your album. Okay? Because this music, your record, what's the name of your record? Bite Me. Amazing. Yeah. I kind of forgot. I was like, yep, got it. Okay, Bite Me. So, incredible. And it is very, I was talking to you when we were, hold on, I got to play this song. Go. Go.

Go, girl. Stream my shit. Yeah, okay, so that's what music is, is you stream it now. I guess. Yeah, you just stream it now. Yeah.

It's funny that you say cannonball. Sorry. You're so cute. No, please don't. Hold on. Nana needs to listen to it again. No, go girl. Come on, Nana. It's funny. Come on, Nana. Let's go. Nana's getting on up. No, but you know what? It's funny that you say cannonball in it because it did have a Breeders vibe. Like there's a heavy like PJ Harvey vibe. And what it...

And what I like about your music is I feel like I'm in conversation with you. You're in conversation with us. Totally. I mean, hopefully. Yeah. And there's not to get too, you know, like, but I did, you know, I don't always do research on the guests because I understand because I'm like, it's OK. Of course. But I did listen to all of your songs many, many times. Thank you. And so I just want to I want everyone to know that. But.

No, but the two songs, the one, Why Is She Still Here and I Can't Be Around You Anymore. Oh, yeah. Those two songs, everyone listen to those two. They feel like they're...

From the perspective of two women in the same—like, it's very cool coupling those two songs. They're great songs. Thank you. Thank you. They're, like, some of my favorites. That is true. They're kind of A and B to each other. Right? One is, like, why is she still here? What's going on? And the other is, there's something going on. Yeah. We can't really handle. And I Can't Be Around You Anymore is—

That's a killer song. Thank you. I'm obsessed with that song. I love that song. And that's a good example, I feel like, of where you're able to show restraint because you have to kind of sing it. You're singing it in a way that really makes us feel something, like really feel it deeply. It's so good. Thanks. It's really, it's, I love that one. That's going to be a late night driving song for a lot of people. Yeah. That's awesome.

It is for me. Yeah. 100%. And it's going to be the kind of song that people send to each other like, hey, and they're just going to send it and be like, I can't see you anymore because we're

We have too much chemistry. I got it. They're like, we're actually out. I mean, is there anything hotter than being like, we can't see each other anymore? So hot. It's like, we literally can't. You have to leave me alone. Of course. So then you do. You have to see that person again. Yeah. Must all the time. You can't. You have to, but you can't. Of course. It's too dangerous. It's forbidden. Yes. It's forbidden. Romeo and Juliet. Damsel. Fuck. Balcony. Yeah. Yeah.

Suicide. Speaking of balcony, suicide. Balcony, suicide. Watch it. Speaking of love. Suicide. Speaking of love, how did you meet your girlfriend? Um.

Similarly locked her in my house. Kind of same thing to Beyonce. Toa Bird, for people who don't know, an incredible musician. The best. Opened for you and was kind of discovered like online, right? Totally. Like was performing and doing videos like during the pandemic online. Yes. Yeah. We always joke around that we're like the two TikTok signings at our

At our label. I had known of her for like the longest time because she's super talented and is really sexy. And so obviously I knew of her. Because all the sexy, you clock all the sexy people. Yeah, yeah. I have like a Rolodex. I got a list. I'm like, who's hot? Got it. But yeah, I just always like thought she was just so fucking cool.

And I had asked one of my best friends to introduce me to her. And yeah, I was like, you have to introduce me to her. He was like, I don't know if she's like in a place in her life where she's like wanting to like meet anyone. I was like, I really couldn't give a fuck less.

I'm not either, but I'm going to meet her. We need to at least be friends. Yeah, you were like, there's something about her that feels... Yeah, I was like, I need to know her super bad. And so then he introduced me to her and she was so fucking mean to me. And I was like, hot. Wait, you liked that?

Loved it. But she's scary. Really? Yeah. Well, she's like from the UK, so like her humor is also super different. But she's also just such a bitch. Tell me, what did she say? Well, I was like, I've heard so much about you. And she was like, why are you talking so much about me then? Oh, she's really negging you. Yeah, I was like, oh my God. And then speaking of negging, the next time we talked, we were talking about cars.

Because I love Cars and also the movie. Good animated film. Holy shit. I always say that Larry the Cable Guy should have been nominated for an Oscar. I mean, it's incredible. His performance as Tow Mater is incredible. Un-fucking-real. It is un-fucking-real. And I hear laughter, and that's rude because— Because it's true. It is true. His performance is incredible in Cars. No, it's stunning. Agree. It's stunning. I just re-watched Cars 2 recently. I cried in bed obsessed with it. But—

Anyway, how the fuck? Oh, okay. So we were talking about cars and she was telling me what kind of car she drove at the time. And I was like, oh, that's so interesting. I wouldn't like peg you for someone who would drive a car. And she looked at me or who would drive a car, who would drive that kind of car. And she was like, oh, you don't want to peg me. And I was like, oh,

I was like, I'm so confident and so like. She went over. She topped a top. She literally topped a top. She out flirted me. She tip-topped. She tip-topped a top. She tip-toed on my top. You like confidence. Love. Okay.

Love. And what would be... Okay, so she's super confident and then you're like, okay, now she's a challenge. Yeah, of course. I was like, now I'm like, you want me so bad. Just say it. You want me. That is true. Yeah, it was awesome. Yeah. And so then you started dating. Yeah, then we started dating. And then who said I love you first? She told me... I'm so sorry, babe. But she told me we were...

Sat on the beach. Incredible. And high out of our minds. Okay. Sorry. And I was so beyond in love with her. Like, I've never been so scared to, like, fall in love with somebody in my life. I was like, oh, Jesus. I was like, we're either going to get married or I can never speak to her again. Like, it's like that kind of, like, I just am so... I, like, worship her. I think she's perfect. And...

Yeah. She was like, I think I'm falling in love with you. And I literally didn't answer. Didn't say a word. I'm on shrooms. The sun is setting. I'm like, it's a bit cold. There's like a TikToker behind us that I'm obsessed with. Who? Which one? Her name is Flossie Baby.

no flossy baby. She couldn't be more hilarious. She was behind you during it? She's behind us on the beach, but I can't say anything to her because I'm like, flossy. She doesn't know me at this point. Yeah, a lot going on. Yeah, we know each other now because I broke everything down to her on Toe's birthday because I invited her. I said, you don't understand what a big part of our lives you are. Flossy baby. I'm obsessed with her. And so Toe was telling me this and I was like, mm-hmm.

But I was high, distracted by Flossie Baby, so I was like, there's no way she just said this to me, and what if I'm receiving it wrong because of things that are impairing my thought process. Yeah, sure. Natural plants. So I didn't say anything, and I said, repeat one more time. And she was like, are you fucking kidding me right now? I was like, sorry, sorry, sorry. Let me walk back in.

I love you too. Like, I was like, of course. And it was the craziest. I love you too, of course. Wait, love you too, girl. Babe, I love you too, of course, girl. Honey, you're so cute. And yeah, I was just like, I'm obsessed with you. And Flossie Baby's here too. Yeah.

It was awesome. It was awesome. It was so fun. It was so fun. Wow, so it really feels like real, true, beautiful love. I love love. Yeah, me too. That's so great. And what is it like working together? You guys have been on... Do you tour together now still? We did. I mean, we'll go out for shows for the other person. Will she be playing with you for any of these shows that you're going to do? 100%. Wow. What's that like? How do you stay...

In love. And work together. It's not always easy. No. I mean, she like... I think I just respect her so much as a musician that I...

I'm kind of always looking to her... Seeking her approval kind of sounds like she's doing something really terrible to me. But I'm always... You respect her. Yeah, I want to know... I really respect her opinion. I really respect her opinion, and I think she has amazing taste. And I think that there are so many things and ways that she's so much smarter than me, and I love having that in a partner because I want to learn from her all the time. Yeah.

But there have also been times where, like, we've worked in sessions together and we're writing for each other's projects. And she's super fun to write with, so easy to collaborate with. And I don't think I'm as much like that for her because we were writing and God bless her. We, like, left and I was like, you seem a bit upset with me. And she was like, no, I just, like, I don't think you needed to, like,

nitpick my vocals all that much and I was like got it got it got it so what had happened was I was like trying to vocal produce her on like a demo for like the better part of an hour and a half and I was like again again you were like I can tell when you're a little flat yeah sorry do you know where you were

wrong she was like cool cool cool so I don't know if she wants to work with me again but I love working with her yes love working with her I don't think I'm maybe the person for her which I totally get I'm a bit neurotic it's funny you are a bit neurotic you don't seem neurotic um in like a studio setting okay okay I'm pretty insufferable to be around you want to get it right yeah it's gotta be it's gotta be it

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Subject to credit approval, Apple Card issued by Goldman Sachs Bank USA, Salt Lake City branch. Terms and more at applecard.com. The two of you are very, very sweet together and very, very like, you know, I know that the, you know, the people that are fans of yours like already know this, but you're very, um...

You're a very sweet example, I think, of like a beautiful young lesbian couple that are very open and very loving in real time. And it goes back to, I think, Renee, something that's very special about you, which is you very generously like shared love.

Yeah.

And you were working with the writer Celeste. And do you want to tell that story? I mean, it's the best. It's an incredible story. It's the best. So Celeste and a couple of other people had written into the skit that I was doing. They were like, okay, we're going to call you a little bisexual intern. And at that time, I was very publicly bisexual. I had been for a very long time.

And, like, in private, I was, like, talking with my girlfriend and a lot of my friends for the last maybe, like, eight months before that of being, like... I actually, like, don't really feel very, like, bi at the moment. I feel, like, very much like a lesbian. And, like, it feels so nice. And, like, that word feels amazing and it feels very, like, euphoric for me. So I was, like, do you think that we could just change it to, like, gay? Because I was honestly a little...

I don't know, like, labeling yourself publicly is really, really, really empowering. And also, I think, can be kind of intimidating because you're like, Jesus fucking Christ, this feels so good for me right now. And I don't want to go by something that doesn't feel correct. But I'm also going to, like, give myself the willingness to be like, what if in 10 years I don't, like—

that identity either. And I just want to, I don't know, like what if in 10 years I'm completely different in terms of my identity and sexuality or like my gender expression, anything like that. Or if I decide to be a really nice person, then I want to be like, wait, I'm fucking nice now. Right. I want to have the grace to be able to change from being a bitch to being a sweetheart. So whatever. But yeah, I was just like, I maybe like gay. I don't know.

And Celeste was like, fuck yeah. Like, literally whatever you want. And I was like, okay, eh. And I fucking love Celeste. And then I was talking to Bowen about it. And I was like, I kind of just want to be like, like, slur. No, I kind of just want to be like, like, lesbian. I was like, I'm just going to kind of do it. And I called Toa. And then I was like, babe, I think I'm just going to like, rip. Like, I think it like, feels good. Also to like, come out as a lesbian on like, SNL is like, pretty cunty. I was like, I'm going to do it for sure. And,

And I was also like, okay, I'm probably going to disappoint a lot of people who felt like they connected with the very openly bisexual part of me. And I'm also probably going to piss a lot of other people off. And I was like, okay, what else do I live to do other than cause a controversy? Sue me. Like, fine. Okay. What a big fucking problem. So then I just wanted to do it. And Bowen and Celeste and everybody were like, hell yeah. What's been the feedback?

How did it feel to do it and did anything change after you did it? I mean, I definitely... I kind of just like didn't even like look online afterward because I was like, I don't care. How did it feel in your life, in your real life? Amazing. Yeah. So fucking good. Like so fucking good. I think also just like being from somewhere incredibly rural, you know, you... I don't know. Like you don't like...

It's just like, it's like fucking like Magatown where I grew up at. And like it always has been. And it's probably better now than it was when I was a kid. Or it's ten times worse in so many ways. So I think for me, I was like, it was really interesting because I think a lot of the people who I grew up around who are incredibly homophobic are very supportive of me now that I am like a public person because I think the idea of fame is

And wealth can sometimes trump hate if it's close in proximity, which is really fucking frustrating. Because I'm like, I know you don't like anybody else who's gay. And you don't like me either. You just like the idea of the closeness to something that is very shallow. So much so that you're willing to put your bigotry to the side for a second to be like, oh, I babysat her. I'm like, no, you're a fucking homophobe. And I don't like you to the day. And I will never like you.

My neighbors are boycotting Target for having, like, a pride line. I'm like, I could give a fuck about y'all. I could give a fuck about y'all. So that, in that way, really frustrated me. Yeah. Because I was like, you don't get to be, like, supportive of this thing now that it's easy for you and fun for you and something for you to fucking brag about. Yeah, you must feel very used. So used. So used. Yeah. And then on the other side of that, I, like—

love being a lesbian and I love the lesbian community so much and I love like the community surrounding lesbians that like like really fuck with us I don't know so there's like there's really bad and there's really really good yeah yeah um I also like I love to watch people

come out publicly who feel like they can and then, like, change their identity or not. It's just kind of, I don't know. It's not for everyone, but, like, for me, it was definitely an integral part of my life. Well, I think what you're talking about is that by doing it, you're just kind of, like, leading by example this idea that

everything doesn't have to be so serious. Like you can decide. Totally. As long as it's you deciding. Totally. Then you can decide however and whenever and wherever you want. It can be in your parents' house. It can be on SNL. It can be in a relationship. Totally. Like that is, I think, what, if I may speak for myself, like what Gen Z has done for me. Right? What young people do for me is I came up at a time when labels meant so much. Absolutely. They were...

Not only were they lifelong, they were like tattoos, right? Absolutely. So people were very, very afraid. Like, what if I get something wrong, basically? Absolutely. What if I get it wrong? Or like, to your point, what if I want to change? Or what if I'm kind of 10% this and 90% that? Or what if I'm in the middle? There was no, there was, it was really binary. Yeah. And Gen Z, because life has been so serious. Yeah.

Gen Z has kind of balanced it by saying, like, it's not that serious. It's not that—it's okay. It's make a mistake or not. Totally. Decide however you want. Totally. Relax. And there's some way that you did that and the way that you do that, the way you live authentically, that's very relaxing. Mm-hmm. And I think it's very cool. Yeah. Thanks. It's nice. It's nice. I, like, I don't know. I enjoy it. I also just have, like, a big, like, group of, like—

gay friends around me. Like I like have like my like gaggle of lesbians. So speaking of please we do a thing here where we ask your friends or people that know you to talk well behind your back.

They talk shit about me? No. Okay. I believe it. It's totally fine. No, it's like mean girls, but not mean girls. It's the other side of it, which is basically we got Cara Delevingne. We talked to her today. Bitch. Such a fucking bitch. Bitch.

Whore. Common whore. Incredible. By the way, when we called her, she was in Paris and there was... Her partner was naked in the bed and... So... Oh, God, I love her. She was wearing headphones and, like, she looked... She's so... I mean...

Supermodels are so hot. Models are so hot. Models are so hot. We got to start talking about it more. Models are so fucking hot. Let's just be clear. Models are so fucking hot. I know a lot of... Yeah, this is a hot take. Models are hot. Models are hot. Yeah, and they're pretty...

On camera, they're pretty during the day. They're pretty during the night. All the time. Yeah. Literally all the time. Good job, models. Cara wanted me to ask you a couple questions. Please. I'm sure they're— She had incredible questions. I was going to say, I'm sure they're very PG and very normal. Okay. And super—yeah. Totally. First of all, what would your drag king name be? Oh, my God.

I know. I'll let you think. It's so good. I got a little put on the spot. Yeah, what did you say? Well, I picked what—I got nervous. That's okay. So I said, you know, like when you're trying to figure out like your dancer name, your exotic dancer name. Of course. You do the street that you grew up on and your first pet.

Oh, no, I didn't know that. What is it here? It's probably because this was set in like 1978. It's good. So I said Bradley Algonquin was my drag king name because that was the street I grew up on and I had a guinea pig named Bradley.

Oh, I thought your guinea pig's name was Algonquin. No. I was like, wait. Yeah. Cool. Yeah, I know. But anyway, we'll cut this part out. No, I like it. I like it. I actually think it's pretty strong. There's nothing worse than giving a drag name and people going, wait, what? Explain it.

And then you have to explain it. And then they go, no, I like it. Well, Algonquin is where I was like, I was more just like, where's the guinea pig? Yeah. Algonquin. Actually, yeah. But that was your street name? So I just gave that to myself. But again, no one's ever going to hear this. We're going to cut all this out. And my social security is as follows. Okay. So what is your drag king name?

And do you like, I mean, I actually have to say, like, what I really love about you is, like, your experimentation with Mask and Femme. You do it a lot in your work and in the way you dress. And I really relate to that because I'm always very confused about how to dress. A hundred, a hundred fucking percent. I'm very confused. And you present both often. Like, you go back and forth. And again, you're showing us by example that you don't have to choose. Thanks. Yeah. I've, like, watched so many people do it.

So well. Who does it well? I mean, not to be, like, so annoying, but, like, my girlfriend does it really well. I wasn't going to say, but she really does do it well. Like, she's fine as hell. What are you going to do? Yeah. Take me out. Like, it's fine. Yeah, she really does. Fuck. I don't know. I wish I knew. I didn't know how to answer it. It's a really good question. I mean, we could think of some fun pun, like, you know, instead of, you know, instead of, um...

Timothy Chalamet, you could be called Timothy Chalagay. Is that good? That's it. That's actually it. Right? I can't even explain to you how much exactly that is it, but it is. Oh my God, we did it. That's perfect. And then the other question she had, which was amazing, who would be in your girl band? If you could put together a girl band, dead or alive, who would it be?

If you could put together a girl band. Good question, right? Okay, I have a real one and I have a fake one. Okay, great. Okay, the real one would be me, Karen Carpenter, Beyonce, and oh, maybe like Queen Latifah or something amazing. Something so sick. Dana Owens. I love Queen Latifah. I'm like, please. That would be so hard. Have you ever met her? Again, I was forced by Cara. Yeah.

How funny. She takes me up to everybody that I'm scared of. She is so great. Like, no surprise. No, she's fucking amazing. She's amazing. She's fucking amazing. She's so fucking cool. And it was also just like so. She is like timeless. She's so timeless to me. So that's your real band. Then what about you said you had a fake one? Yes. Fake band is me, NeNe Leakes, Ellen DeGeneres, and Wendy Williams. Yes.

That's the one I want. That's the one I want. Yeah, that makes sense. I want that bad. Keep talking about it. Who would be your manager of that band? Probably Cara. She'd manage it. Yeah. Yeah. She'd manage it. I don't know how much managing would be done, but I know that she'd manage it. And who would be your opening act? If you guys went on the road...

Maybe like you as your character from Inside Out. Oh my God. I would dress up as Joy and be your opening act. Yeah. That'd be super cute. That would be wild. But no, like head, like face paint. Okay. Like your true face paint. That would be like an acid trip. I would love to do acid wild stuff.

Doing that. Totally. I'd be like, this is fucking awesome. And then we also get Ellen to like do Dory as well. That would. On the side. Oh, hold on. Now I see it. Now, thank you for that. That's great. So I'll come out as Joy from Inside Out and then Ellen will join me as Dory. Oh my fucking God. And then you assume that's all we're going to see of Ellen. I'd start crying. She comes back. She washes her face paint off. And she comes back in the band. As a girl group. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, fuck. Yeah, fuck is right. That sold out now. As you would say, that fucks. No, that fucks. Yeah, that fucks. That does fuck, yeah. Now, what are you listening to these days, watching, doing? Like, how do you check out when you're, like, when you need to rest your brain or get away from the hard stuff? What?

What's making you laugh? Where do you go? I watch. Oh, sorry, go. No, what do you watch? No, no, I'll cut myself off. I love to hear what people are watching. I watch SVU.

Okay. I watch SVU. Which one? Law and Order with Christopher Melonian. Mariska Hargitay, that's right. So talk to me about why that's a good checkout for you. I love them. Yeah. I love them. Like, what the fuck are you doing? Yeah. It's also the writing on that show is so crazy. It's so crazy. Yeah. It's like, got a burp dead? Yeah.

Yep. What a shame. Raped? Absolutely. Whoa. No trigger warning. Right? They go right there. And then it's like, cut to dum-dum. It's so intense and there's so much going on. You're like, holy shit. This is either, I can't tell if this is awesome or if it's so...

so bad and I think everyone would agree with that. It's quick and I need something that's quick because I don't want time to think about something else because then I'll start tweaking. And I also think Christopher Meloni's kind of fucking jacked and it's hot. He's not kind of fucking jacked. He's super jacked. Have you ever seen the picture of him in like a middle split when he did like Men's Health? This one? Love. I'm going to say something. I love Christopher Meloni. I did a movie with him. I don't like men doing splits.

Can I be honest? I don't like, I don't find that attractive. I, yeah. As a straight woman. Totally. I don't enjoy flexible men. I couldn't agree more. I don't like, this is, and some of my friends do this and that's okay. I do just want to flag. Some of y'all do this and that's all right. I'm not big into boys flipping.

Doing backflips? We got to cut that out. Oh, I don't like... Okay, and this is just my personal... Right, you don't even like boys. No. But this is just my personal preference. Yeah. I totally agree. Any kind of like goofy gymnastics? Totally. I've just been like...

and physically assaulted by too many like theater boys. Theater like twinks, the straight theater twinks who ruined my life as kids who were like, wait, I do a flip. And so the director was like, front and center, front and center.

Front and center. They're like, do that flip. Yeah. They're like, come on. Come on, Joey. And Joey's only getting front and center because the director has a massive crush on him and he can do a flip. This is before your time, but there was a movie, a great movie called The Outsiders. Do you know that movie? Heard of it. Okay, so it was based off of a book and it was all young Rob Lowe and young...

Patrick Swayze and all these boys. And Tom Cruise is famously in it. And he's one of the, and it's one of his first films. And he's like one of the bad guys. And I remember being like, he's cool. And then he does a backflip in it. And I was like, no, no. Immediately out. Immediately out. I lost, he lost it for me. There's something about it that's a bit vulnerable. I'm like, wait, cut that out. You're a boy. What are you doing? Yeah. And look, I've seen you lift your leg. You are very flexible. Yeah.

Now, girls can be flexible. Boys shouldn't be flexible. Boys shouldn't be allowed to be flexible. Cut that shit out. Cut that shit out now. But I've seen you sing and lift your leg like this. Yeah. When your leg is like up. And that, that too is similar to the flipping, something that people shouldn't do. Yeah.

That's not true. If you can do it, you should do it all the time. Oh, if you're like dancing or doing something fucking incredible, absolutely. But like people shouldn't do what I did. That was weird. I'm going to take back my thing though about boys and gymnastics for one reason. Two times I found men doing gymnastics exciting. One was in Footloose when Kevin Bacon's stunt double happened.

During his dance break, he swung on a high bar in a barn. And I was like, okay. But that's cool. That's not a bar. Yeah, that was cool. That was cool. That's like, what are you doing on a high bar?

you doing on that pole you little slut that's cute that's cute that's okay and I liked it and I didn't it didn't bother me yeah and um the other one was that great gymnast that was on the pommel horse that was with the glasses obsessed okay cute he can do that but that's like their that's his job that's his job you know what that's his job if backflips are your and splits are your job do it do it tenfold go for it love it you're good at your job commit

If you're just doing it in the middle of the street, keep walking. And I'm not saying that, like, if I could flip, which I can't. So I'm not, like, I'm not hating because I can't do it. Wait a minute. Hold on. You just brought something up. Do you think we're hating on it because we can't do it? Literally, no. I think it's weird. I'm sorry. And by the way, that doesn't mean that other people should say it's weird about anybody else, okay? Because I really, like, I love my friends. And if they want to flip, fucking flip. It's just not my thing. Okay.

It's not my thing. You know, if the back flippers come for us. They're going to fucking. Whatever. I'm ready. If the back flippers come for us, we can just run away because they're back flipping all the time. But they'll kick us. They will kick us with their feet. Think about the strength in that thigh. I mean, have you ever done this? I love Law & Order. The original Law & Order, the first like 12 seasons with Benji Bratt. I've never watched it.

I'll lock in. It's so good with Jerry Orbach and Esa Pather Murchison as the lieutenant. It's just like, it's the early law and order that every, it's the, you know, sui generis. It's the mothership that all of them were based off of. And,

They have that little exchange always before the bump bump. And you can sometimes guess the last line. Absolutely. I love doing that. Oh, my God. There was one last night I wish I could remember because it's just so crazy. It's so crazy. I'm like, I can't imagine…

delivering that line. Right. Like there's a, you know, a body found in Central Park and someone's like, yeah, it was during the marathon, you know, and the suspect was found here under the tree and then Jerry Orbach comes over and just goes like, well, I guess you're not making it to the finish line today. Exactly. And you're just like, oh. Exactly. I cannot imagine having to deliver that line. I would...

walk out. I'd walk right on out of a set. I'd be like, you know what? I disagree. I think you'd nail it. Oh my God. I could... My like, what's it? Suspension of disbelief or something? I'm not... Ooh, I'm not good at that. If I get like... If there's a line that I'm like, I can't do this, I like totally shut down as a person. I'm gonna say...

That you're underestimating yourself because what I have learned about you, Renee, if I may, is that you're pretty good at overriding nerves to get to level up. You've done it over and over again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How do you get through the scary parts? What do you do? I really just don't take it seriously. I just do not take it seriously because when I take myself too seriously—

I panic. Yeah. I panic because it's like oftentimes it's truly not as much as I hate to say this. It's truly not about me. So and no one fucking use that again. OK, but like, you know, I'm going to just finish by saying this.

I've seen examples of you being like a very loving and supportive person in real time. And I know that about you. And I heard that about you. Thank you. Can you advocate for yourself the same way? Oh, absolutely. Okay, great. Oh, with a quickness.

With a quickness. Yeah. Because like, you know, kids are assholes. People are assholes. I was an asshole. Like, I'm sure there were so many times I can recall that like people were assholes to me when I was growing up in school. And I guarantee that there were 10,000 times that I was so mean to somebody else for no reason because I was pissed at myself or pissed off at somebody else. So like, I don't know.

That's not to say that sometimes I'm not an asshole. I totally am. Yeah, but just like how you said earlier, you may want to identify as a nice person soon. I know. I might need to tap into that sort of little pigtail kind of infinity scarf girl again.

Oh, my God. We're back to the infinity scarf. That was perfect. Full circle just like the infinity scarf. Totally. I'm straight again. You're straight again. I'm straight again. That's what I do to people.

Sorry, ladies. I made Renee straight again. Fuck. I know. Don't worry. We'll get her back. We'll get her out of the room. We'll get her back. Yeah. Come out with the lesbians. You'll be gay yourself. I mean, I wish. Oh, my God. Literally come out. We go out every weekend. Come out. Where are you going this weekend? Literally wherever. Okay. That's not a place. Literally wherever. The problem is. You go out late. No. Well, yeah. But like you'll be so fine. I promise. What time do you get leave the house?

Like, what time do you want to leave the house?

I'm asking you, what time does your night start? Like at 9. At 9? Oh, that's not bad. Yeah, because we'll get dinner before because you need to eat if you're going to go out. I can't. I can't do two things. It's either one, it's out or dinner. I get it. I get it. I get it. You know what? I'm so sorry. I can't go. That's okay. That's totally okay. I'll send you. I'm so stressed. I'm so tired. Don't worry. Don't worry. And I know 9 means 9.30 and then it's going to take some while to get our food. Lesbians. Yeah, 10.30 and then my stomach is full.

And, you know. In an anti-acid. Yeah, and I'm going to have to take a Pepsit or something. That's okay. But have a good time and tell me how it goes. 100%. I'll send you photos. Renee, thank you so much for doing this. This is so fun. Thanks for having me. This was a blast. Thank you, Renee Rapp. You were awesome. And, you know, this is the part of the show where I just give little shout-outs. It's the polar plunge, if you will, where we go deeper. So, first of all, check out Flossie Baby on TikTok and probably other platforms. She's hilarious and she was at the beach when Renee fell in love. So, she's technically...

She's technically good luck. And also, because we're talking about music, I just want to point out that our theme song, the Good Hang theme song, is written by the great Amy Miles. Amy Miles is a singer-songwriter from New York City, my dear friend for over 25 years. She's incredibly talented. She wrote this for us. And so many of you want to hear the whole song. And so, what...

We want you to go to Spotify. Go to Spotify and check out Amy Miles and check out the Good Hang theme song. You can get it there and show her some love because she's so talented. And she's my friend and I love her. Thank you, Amy. Okay. Thanks, everybody. Never know how to end these. Bye.

You've been listening to Good Hang. The executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss-Berman, and me, Amy Poehler. The show is produced by The Ringer and Paper Kite. For The Ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spillane, Kaya McMullen, and Alea Zanaris. For Paper Kite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell, and Jenna Weiss-Berman. Original music by Amy Miles. ♪

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