Tuesday Feb. 11, 2025 - Do You Shopify?
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And welcome to the Tuesday morning. It is February 11th, live edition of the Best Stocks Now show with professional money manager Bill Gunderson, president of Gunderson Capital Management in Chicago.

Barry is back from his, I call it the baptism of fire, going into that NASDAQ building into the sacred hall of momentum. Back from New York. And we're going to blame this downward move on him. Actually, probably Chairman Powell's in there. He's in no hurry to lower interest rates, and the Dow does not like that. Down 119%.

That's 27 basis points to the downside. We stand at 44,350. The S&P is down 18 to 6,048. The NASDAQ is down 58. AI taking it on the chin just a little bit, a little bit of profit taking. The NASDAQ is at 19,657, down 29 basis points. The small cap is down about a half a percent.

They don't like it when Chairman Powell doesn't promise a rate cut soon. And the small caps are down 46 basis points right now. Interest rates are about steady. We closed the day yesterday at 4.49, 4.47, somewhere in there. And that's where we are today. I know we're up. Uh-oh, 4.53. Okay, that's what's got the market upset today.

So welcome to today's Best Stocks Now show with professional money manager Bill Gunderson, president of Gunderson Capital Management, a fee-based nationwide firm. We set an all-time record by being invited to the NASDAQ closing bell ceremony twice this year. I guess I was there right before Christmas. Okay, so once in...

2024, now once in 2025. It's quite the experience, isn't it, Barry? Tell the listeners a little bit about it. Yeah, well, you were right. You said, you know, you've got to go do this. And so, you know, you show me. It's a quick trip. You show up at 3, and, you know, they kind of shuffle you in.

kind of give you the way of the land inside the little studio there. And, you know, cameras are around. Of course, you've got all kinds of... I'm watching the NASDAQ, you know, hoping it's going to finish in the green, right? I think it was up about a percent, you know, most of the day. Pretty good day, yeah. And I kept keeping an eye on it. So you can see that in the studio. And they were...

They were there. It was the 15th anniversary, actually, of I learned something while I was there. It was the 15th anniversary of TQQQ, which is basically the NASDAQ triple leverage ETF. And it's the largest, actually, by AUM, it's the largest leverage ETF that there is. So it's $25 billion in leverage.

You know, $25 billion. I was thinking if you're three times QQQ. Well, absolutely. How do you think it got there? Right? Probably moving quickly. Yeah. Well, I mean, over the last 10 years, it's averaged 36% per year. Okay. If you do the math. Yeah.

But along the way, you've had some tremendous turbulence. You've had some dips. Yeah, the math works the other way in a year like 2022, right, if you look at what the NASDAQ did during that standpoint. But it was a great event, unique. It's kind of funny. They throw your picture up on the –

up on the Times Square out there, which is kind of odd. But it would be neat at the same time. But it was a good experience. And then you're out of there around, what, 430, 445? Very well choreographed. Yeah, it is. The ProShares TQQ has $26 billion in it. And if you think about it,

That right there is a testament to the power of the NASDAQ and the growth stocks. It's certainly done a lot better than triple Dow, which I believe there is a triple S&P 500, but 36% compounded annual return over the last 10 years.

I'll take that, Coca-Cola. Okay, well, yeah, we had a pretty good day in the market yesterday. Finished in the green? Yes, .98. .98 on the NASDAQ. And we were up about the same. I think we were up 1% yesterday, so we did okay, too. Now, it was the first time in three weeks that we didn't have a manic Monday, if you remember. Last week we had the tariff.

uh... tantrum and the week before that we had the deep seek uh... horrible uh... smashing of the uh... market uh...

But Palantir had another good day yesterday, and Vidi has been pretty perky here recently. Spotify had a good day. Gold finished at 2,934, all-time high. How about that? And earnings coming in. This is a busy week. We had McDonald's yesterday, which reported not bad.

But it's not a best stock now anymore. Not a best burger now either. I mean, In-N-Out Burger, it can't even hold a candle to that. Coca-Cola reported this morning that

They had some, I don't know if they advertised during the Super Bowl. I'm sure they did. But it's obviously a single-digit grower in today's world. Shopify has reported. That's one we own. Marriott has reported. Lyft's going to report after the close. DoorDash. Tomorrow we'll get Cisco, which obviously time has passed Cisco by. But it's still in the Dow. The Dow's pretty slow to make changes today.

They should have changed out Cisco a long time ago. And the AI scene is trying to help Cisco, maybe. Yeah, but it's still a 4% grower. Right. And then Airbnb, Roku. Roku's trying to turn the page. They're almost there. They're almost profitable.

They still have some pretty good sales growth, and they're pretty close to crossing the line to profitability. That's always a major marker in the life of a company. Okay, tariffs. Who's next? You know, the EU is not going to blink like Canada and Mexico did. And Trump has even said it himself. He says, oh, they're tough. They're going to be tough.

But they've been taking advantage of us for years, says President Trump. And the EU vows to respond to U.S. tariffs with firm and proportionate countermeasures. So you better stockpile your French brie cheese, your French wines, your Switzerland fine cheeses, etc. Holland, known for their cheese, that Dutch Gouda, of course.

It looks like the trade war is setting up to be pretty hot and heavy. He did sign the tariffs against steel and aluminum. I put out a chart on X yesterday of, I think it was copper, C-P-E-R-E-T-F.

which has like Freeport and McMoran in it and others that are, you know, there's not really any one company that just produces copper. They usually are into a lot of other things too, like steel. It had a very good day yesterday, obviously. So, I mean, Trump with his U.S. first policy, you had a pretty good gain in the U.S. steel market.

and mining stocks uh the fury against copper remember yes dr copper i can't say that the economy drove it yesterday or the building boom drove it but uh tariffs against other and you know they've been cheating look they've been relabeling uh

cheap steel and bringing it into America and other imports, aluminum, et cetera. What did we find? We found, I remember it was counterfeit titanium. Oh, yeah. Remember you read that story? And I'm like, well, that doesn't sound good. Think about that next time you're on a regional jet coming from New York City and flying over Washington, D.C. Number one, you've got to worry about Black Hawk helicopters and counterfeit titanium. Oh, boy. I don't want that in my wings anymore.

The fury against Elon Musk continues. Now he's floating auditing the Fed. He's sounding like Ron Paul. Okay, Ron Paul, that was his big thing. We need to audit the Fed. Hey, I got nothing. That's all I know. All these audits are turning up all kinds of stuff, all right? All kinds of goodies buried deep within the bureaucracy of the U.S. government.

with checks being funded by us let's not forget being funded by us you know that money that comes out of your paycheck every week or two weeks or whatever it is

Oh, FEMA. They caught FEMA all kinds of millions and millions of dollars going to nice hotels in New York. Did they subsidize your hotel? Did FEMA pay for your hotel? Thankfully, it did not come from a disaster area. No. And you know what? Millions and millions of... And they were nice hotels, too. I mean, not like Skid Row or anything like that to house illegal immigrants. Right.

And then, of course, North Carolina comes along, and guess what? FEMA's out of money. So there's some angry people out there with all of this stuff being unearthed. I say go ahead, audit the Fed. Well, I mean, if you've got publicly held...

publicly traded companies, right, who are held to a higher, I mean, should they be held to a higher standard than the actual government, right? The government should be held to the highest of standards. That's sacred money. That's the people's money that we're sending to them. Okay, when we come back, AI, AI, and more AI. This is the Best Stocks Now show. I keep loving you.

And welcome back here to the second quarter of today's Best Docs Now show. We've got a little bit of a downdraft here.

in the market, but consider the NASDAQ three times. Just buy and hold it. You could make a case for buy and hold, Barry. Just don't look at it every day. 36% per year. Do the math. Build yourself a nice little spreadsheet. Take $100,000 and compound that by 36% a year over a 10-year period of time. No wonder that thing has grown to be...

$26 billion. Those are some good management fees they're earning off of that ETF. I'd have to research what would it look like if you held it in 2022, right? Because at some point, I think what they'd do is they'd eventually do some reverse stock splits because...

You know, if you have, say, three times, right, what the NASDAQ was down, what, close to 35%, right, in 2022? So three times 35 is over 100. Let me look real quickly. We should have that data in the Best Stocks Now app. The chart should have got weird. Because we adjust for splits, okay? So it's TQQ. I thought it was S.

SQQ is triple short the NASDAQ. Yeah, this is TQQQ, which I guess makes sense. Okay, here's what I show. Down 89% in 2022. That's what I show. Okay, but let's average it out now. Who could sleep through an 89% drop? Yeah, right, exactly. Holy cow. But 10-year average, 36.4%.

The stock price went from $81 to $81 a share. It lost 90% of its value. So if you had $1 million, it went down to $100,000 that year, right? Yeah, it went to the lowest, $17.

basically from 80, at one point it was around 83. Here's where we blew it, not buying it in January of, when we put out the buy on the NASDAQ in January 2023. That's a good one for the incubator portfolio, the best drawer portfolio. It's up 49% over the last 12 months versus the market 21.5%.

And in 2024, in 2023, you had 193% return after that 90% drop. It's a roller coaster. Well, and that's what we were talking about. I was thinking, because they said at the presentation that there's $25 billion right in that strategy. And I'm like, man, that sounds like a lot. But then I started thinking, I'm like, well,

It might only have been $10 billion in it two years ago. Well, I bet a lot of money comes and goes. By that time, it could just grow to it. A lot of money comes and goes because people use it as a trading. I doubt that very few people owned it for 10 years. Right. My hat is off to the...

And you know what? You say it's been around 25 years or 15? 15. It was actually their 15th year anniversary, and like I said, I learned that it's the largest leveraged ETF out there. I'm adding 15-year and 20-year and 25-year returns to the app. I have the numbers here.

I just haven't put it in the app yet, so it will be interesting to see what the 15-year, since inception, since the day they brought it public. Yeah, I mean the 10-year. So the math on the 10-year, it's up a lot.

1,738%. Okay. EU launches 200 billion AI investment plan. One of the questions I was asked when I was interviewed by the CEO of Granite Shares, Will Rine, back in December was, Bill, do you think AI has played out here? I said, no, not at all. I think it's in the early stages.

And I think I was pretty much right. I did put that interview. I found that interview. I put it up on the newsletter on Friday. And we'll have to put it on our website somewhere. Bill called it exactly. Did they interview you guys?

No, yeah, no interview this time because you had the – basically it was kind of the tactical team there who – they're the math whizzes that put all the – put the math together behind three times leverage or the other way, right? So you've got to hedge out those –

Are you going to find that contract and how to make it work? Because you want the least amount of tracking error, right? You don't want it three times fun that two and a half times. Now, okay, we had Trump announced, what, a couple weeks ago, the $500 billion initiative in AI. I don't think it's going to be that big, but that was SoftBank and Sam Altman. Now the EU, or yesterday, France announced a $200 billion AI initiative that

The EU launched a $200 billion AI initiative. So I don't think at all that AI has played out. It was funny yesterday. You know, Elon Musk, he should have never sold his stake. Him and Altman started it.

open AI and I think they had their differences and I think maybe that must doesn't have any investment in open AI anymore but he did put up an unsolicited bid he says 97.4 billion a group led by Elon Musk made an unsolicited bid for the the nonprofit entity which I don't think it's nonprofit anymore

And Altman said, "No thanks, you know, OpenAI is not for sale."

But, you know, look, it's worth $100 billion somewhere in there right now. It's an interesting dynamic. I'll say. I heard this morning, I mean, they're going back and forth. I try to stay out of some of the fray. But, you know, I mean, you just had what? It was only a couple weeks ago, right, where you had, you know, essentially Altman and, you know, a couple others with, I think, I don't know,

Was it Larry Ellison, I think? Yeah, Ellison and SoftBank. Yeah, with Trump, and then now you've got this kind of...

feud that's kind of re-fired again you know trump just said you know elon doesn't like certain people he doesn't like altman oh and altman said today was talking about you know this morning was you know heard a quote he's talking about his pretty talking about his personality that he feels sorry for elon i'm like it's kind of a little bit of a scary guy is that altman so anyway

No, it says right here, Musk has no investment in OpenAI anymore. He has his own. Is it Grok? I think it's Grok. Okay, here's the boomerang effect. Fox is investing in Red Seat Ventures, which is a podcast site that features Tucker Carlson, Megan Kelly, and Bill O'Reilly. Okay.

Those were all people that once worked for Fox. I was on Fox News Channel in prime time with Megyn Kelly talking all about, let's see, it was Cylindra in the Silicon Valley, which was a big scam of solar. They got all kinds of federal money.

And the money went up in smoke. And I just happened to have a contact that told me about the story. And we sent Fox the info. And within a week, I was on Fox with Megyn Kelly. I've got the picture of it. But here they are investing in Tucker Carlson, Megyn Kelly, and Bill O'Reilly. It's like the exiled island. Amazing.

All right. We'll be right back. We've got a lot of individual stocks to talk about today. This is Bill Gunderson. Thank you for tuning in to today's Best Stocks Now, Best Inverse Funds Now show. I put several hours of research in during the wee hours of the morning each day to bring you the very best cutting edge stories that I can.

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We've got to get together sooner or later. And welcome back to the second half of today's Best Stocks Now show. Well, the market has closed the gap here somewhat, at least the NASDAQ has. It's down just seven basis points right now.

I'm going to see, though. It doesn't look as good underneath the surface, however. I'm seeing some pretty big sell-offs in AI today. I'll tell you what. Talking about meta, I mean, talking about a streak. 16 days, right? Yeah, 16 days, and it's barely in the green right now. I was just looking at it, given that the NASDAQ is down. But, yeah, it's a 16-day streak.

Maybe the longest streak ever. I know it's since 1990. So basically since the data, I believe it may be the longest. So pretty impressive. Hats off to Zuckerberg. But, you know, I'm seeing a big sell-off in AI today. I mean, look at that chart, by the way. Look at this chart. Astera, Vistra, Constellation, Arista, and Spotify is down 2%. So I'm seeing a lot of the momentum stocks.

selling off today despite the nasdaq closing the gap here okay quantum computing let's come back to that for a minute there is a private company out there that is currently being valued let's see by 750 million to 1 billion is called q era

Google SoftBank among investors in quantum computing startup. It was actually started at MIT. They don't have a football team, I don't think, Barry. If they did, they would pass a lot. Yeah, they'd be running Air Coriel, wide open offense, fun. Anyways, keep an eye on this. But this just tells you...

This company already has tens of millions in revenue from several customers, including Japan's National Institute of Advanced Industrial Science and Technology. Quantum computing has become a hot topic on Wall Street, thanks in part to recent advancements made by Google, which obviously had that Willow quantum chip system.

And I continue to watch stocks like IONQ and QBTS and QUBT and RGT, Rigetti. They've been struggling, but they have made up quite a bit from the low that they hit after last.

After the CEO of NVIDIA, Jensen Wang, hit him upside the head saying quantum computing was 20 to 30 years out. Well, if that's the case, these companies have already invested. They raised $230 million in a matter of weeks, said Q-era CEO Andy Orry. So there's a lot of buzz around quantum computing. Apparently this company...

has cleared some of the technical hurdles that have been in the way, technical milestones. And so we'll keep an eye on this one, but I think it's good to know that this is going on in the private sectors, the private area of the market right now. Okay, here's one that NVIDIA is investing in. You know, anytime NVIDIA invests in a company, in fact, I added it to my app today, this stock is up 64% today.

Firefly Neuroscience. Firefly Neuroscience is headquartered in Kenmore, New York. They develop neuroscientific solutions for mental illnesses and neurological disorders using technology and AI. You know, I want to say that maybe one of our followers or listeners tipped us off to this talk.

And that obviously went right over my head. But I did add it to the app today. It's only a $40 million company. That's what we call, that's not even quite a micro cap. That's not even a small cap. I mean, that's micro cap. Micro cap. And even I call them bottle caps underneath that where, you know, I knew a guy that used to collect bottle caps. He was a heavy drinker. He had a lot of bottle caps from different beers around the world and all this stuff.

NVIDIA Connect to include Firefly. They call it a nano cap. Okay, there is a word. Underneath micro cap, it's nano cap. So maybe I need to create. I'm going to make a note to self in the app.

We're going to create a nano cap. I'm going to say that's probably under $100 million. I'll have to get the definition of what that is. And those definitions are always interesting because we've talked about a large cap nowadays and basically a mega cap, right? I mean, we've got companies out there that are $3 trillion. It breaks the scale of what used to be published. Yeah, well, I mean, we never had trillion dollars. Right.

It almost seems like there needs to be a, well, mega cap. I don't know if you can go any bigger than mega cap. I mean, mid cap nowadays is, mid cap in my head nowadays would have probably classified as a small large cap in the past. Well, I mean, when you cross $100 billion, that used to be a mega cap.

But if you take $100 billion, that's nothing compared to $3.7 trillion. So I have to keep moving the goalposts all the time in the app because yesterday's large cap is now a mid cap and yesterday's mega cap probably is now a large cap stock. Okay, Astera Labs is in the news today. Now we're going to start getting into earnings today.

Astera Labs has got a lot going on for itself. It is one of the chosen few in the Ultra Growth Portfolio, which is up double digits so far this year. And, you know, the Ultra Growth Portfolio, go ahead, look at it. Since inception, I have meticulously kept track of every single buy and sell. I created this portfolio for Seeking Alpha for my subscription model there.

And we've kept records since inception 2019, January the 1st. So it now has a five-year plus track record. It's done pretty well when you put it up against the S&P 500. Of course, we have it shown if you took out the maximum fees every year.

versus what you were just trading it on your own in your own portfolio. But Astera is one of those stocks we own. They designed semiconductor-based connectivity solutions to unleash the potential of cloud and AI infrastructure. Okay, there's a couple of buzzwords. And I just have to say that Astera has got that kind of growth that...

Big stocks are made of, whether or not they follow through, it's flat after earnings. It's actually down 2%. But their last three quarters, four quarters of sales up 270%, up 619%, up 206%, and up 179%. Take that, DuPont. Out of Santa Clara, California, I think we have a client that works for Astera Labs.

I believe so. Of course, we're heard in that neck of the woods there on KDOW Radio where we have a lot of followers. I love being on that station. I've listened to that station for 20 years myself.

Every time I visited the Bay Area, I would turn to KDAO. Astera Labs is down a little bit today, but getting some good reviews here. One of the analysts here from, let's see, what company is he with? He's got a buy target on it and says their AI prowess continues to shine.

So I think this is one that we're patient with. They are a big, big player in that big, big space, that AI infrastructure space.

and the cloud. So ALAB has reported earnings. Okay. Yeah, they're in that, you know, think of it as sectors and ecosystems, right? They're in that AI ecosystem. Speaking of which, SMCI had a big day yesterday out of nowhere, Super Microcomputer.

I just happened to notice it, and it's been very controversial. We have clients that work there too. Supermicrocomputer had a huge day yesterday, and there is a two-time Supermicrocomputer brought to you by Granite Labs or Granite Shares. It's down 4%, and they're going to report today after the close. That could be a good one. Get the popcorn ready for that one.

And then you've got your soggy stocks, always soggy stocks. You know, we have to put them up by comparison.

And, you know, at one time, I mean, Coca-Cola was probably one of the greatest inventions of all time. We had a client in Atlanta. That was one of the most interesting. Their son was the curator of the Coca-Cola Museum. Can you imagine? Now, that's on my bucket list. I think it's World of Coke, I think. That is on my bucket list. Just to see, I mean, I remember the old billboards, the signs on barns.

All of that stuff is worth a lot of money now, Coca-Cola memorabilia. I've seen the old Coca-Cola coolers, right? I mean, it goes on and on and on. But the bottom line is, in today's world, they had a good quarter, but their sales were up 6% year over year. That's organic growth, 6%.

It's been about 3% over the last several quarters. So we'll call this a good quarter, but expect single-digit growth and returns in the stock investing in a company growing at this rate in today's world. It's up 3.4% on the day. We'll be right back. ♪♪♪

And welcome back here to the final segment of today's Best Stocks Now show and our next earnings report.

It comes from the 44, number 44 rank out of just over 5,000 stocks. Definitely a stock of today. Okay, we can go back to the Sears catalog, right?

And in fact, you know, I took a tour. I took all you guys on a tour. Were you on the carriage ride down there? Yeah, no, we saw the Roebuck house. Yeah, so there's a couple of them where downtown Charleston is gorgeous. Okay, what can I say? To take a carriage ride down the streets and see some of those classic southern homes are just gorgeous. It's just a beautiful little city.

No wonder so many people come here to visit us. And they had some Roebuck houses there.

that people actually bought the plans out of the Sears catalog like what a hundred years ago or something like that yeah it would show up as an erector set I think it may be in I don't know they said maybe 20s or 30s yeah so about 100 years ago would show up so they would you know everything would show up it was like a kit and you put your house together okay now okay we go from the Sears catalog then we started to get some of the great department stores and

I don't know if you got to Macy's, which is a whole square block downtown New York City in Manhattan. And, of course, Saks Fifth Avenue. Walked by one of those. Woolworths and some of the great general stores of all time, et cetera, et cetera. The best is the real thin escalators, which are on my mind. We were thinner back then.

Now we're wider. That's why we need Lily's zap bound. Then we went to the, you know, we started to put stores together in areas and called them malls. I remember the first mall. Well, in San Diego, yeah, Mission Valley Mall and then the Fashion Valley Mall. Then we had one come in downtown, which is no longer there, believe it or not. It got wiped out by...

Online. Online sales, okay? So we went from these general stores to these giant department stores. We got into mail order type stuff out of the Sears catalog. And now we've got Shopify, okay, which is the next generation. I consider Shopify one of the great stocks of all time. And we owned it way back when in the early days of Shopify, okay?

Then they kind of had to sort things out. They had trouble being profitable there for a long time coming up with the model. And let's not forget eBay. eBay was definitely part in there in the evolution with the online bidding for stuff. eBay is still around. Etsy is another one that's pretty big selling online homemade wares and whatnot. But Shopify is a mammoth company.

uh out of canada actually i think ontario yeah ontario canada just they give these brick and mortar yeah they give these brick and mortar places you know i mean that was a big thing during covid where you had you know uh you know call it your mom and pop shop or just your independently owned boutique or whatever your whatever wares you were selling and

And they had zero online presence, and you could basically use them to get you going pretty quickly in terms of online sales. And that's what they do. They're an online marketplace. Think about the overhead you save. I mean, it's not to go to one of these big malls and rent a space. Now a lot of these malls are deserted. They're ghost towns. We have a big one in North Charleston that's just...

Maybe there's a pool hall in there or a bowling alley or something, but no longer are the anchor tenants there, JCPenney and Macy's and all of these, etc. More medical offices than anything, no? Yes, and Shopify is an online mall, okay? $153 billion. I have to admit, I've never ever bought anything online.

I'm putting that on my do-to-do list today. I'm going to visit Shopify's website and see what all they have to offer. I haven't bought anything on Shopify where I knew it was there. So, you know, I've gone to a website, right, and, you know, maybe buy something. And then the back-end pay feature, part of the pay side of the business, right, is, you know, the payment side is Shop or Shopify. And so...

So it's almost like they're doing work for this company on the back end. It didn't necessarily attract me to them, but they're helping link them up and get paid. It's always traded at a high multiple. It's 83 PE ratio, but they reported earnings that were up 167% year over year.

$0.64 versus $0.24. That's pretty good. That's a really good quarter. I mean, if they can keep that up, they're on track. They're up over $2, maybe $2.50 per share in annual earnings now. We'll see if they can keep that up. But I thought they had a really good quarter. Their sales were up 26%. They did $2.1 billion in sales versus $1.7 billion for the same quarter last year.

Shopify in my book is one of the chosen ones in today's world because they really don't have a competitor out there. A lot of wannabes, a lot of people tried, but it just seems once you get that dominant spot in a space like this, it's very hard to encroach upon it.

So we do own Shopify. It's not a dividend payer. It's not a small cap anymore. It's $153 billion. It's a large cap company. I'm interested to read the comments because they're a Canadian company, and I'm interested to see if potentially any of the tariffs could affect them in a certain way. Yeah, I don't know if the tariffs will affect them or not. Yeah, I'm not sure how all that ties together. That's why I'm interested to read some of the comments.

the analyst questions uh at the end of the transcript yes okay then last but not least and then we got to bid you a do dupont uh up 7.2 percent obviously a soggy stock of yesteryear the pride of delaware i believe it's headquartered yeah wilmington delaware home of joe biden and uh dupont

a big chemical company, but not quite the growth engine. They're a 7% grower, okay, not a 160% grower. All right, well, man, we had a record week last week of people signing up for the four-week trial. I would just like to say to all of you that are getting the trial, if you have a question,

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