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And welcome to the Tuesday, Wednesday. It is Wednesday, July the 2nd as we come up on a big holiday weekend. This is Bill Gunderson, President of Gunderson Capital Management. And this is the Best Stocks Now show. And we are off to kind of a sluggish start in the market today. We had an interesting day yesterday that I want to talk about a little bit.

But I think maybe they're leaving for the big holiday early here. We do have the NASDAQ up 69 points. That's better than yesterday. And the Dow, which had a huge day yesterday, all of the kind of garbage, no-growth Dow stocks had a good day, while the leadership stocks in the NASDAQ had a bad day yesterday. Today it's the other way around. The NASDAQ up 69, Dow down 93.

The S&P is up three points, very quiet there. The small caps doing very little today. They've not had a very good year. We look over at the bond market. You've got interest rates up a little bit on that big package. Senate passed the big, beautiful, big, ugly, big, bad bill yesterday. Now it's up to the House to put the finishing touches on it.

The gold markets were up yesterday on that news, and I'm seeing the interest rates trickle up about six basis points here today to 4.30. Gold today is up, no, down 10.10 basis points. So welcome to today's Best Stocks Now show with professional money manager Bill Gunderson, president of Gunderson Capital Management, and I'm here with Barry Kite.

Our chartered financial analyst. Barry, I've come to the conclusion on something, which doesn't, I think it's a logical conclusion. I think when you take these big Wall Street institutional names, I think they trade heavily amongst about 100 stocks.

You can list the hundred, all right? I mean, we could make an index, the Wall Street shopping market. And I think they just exchange a little bit in their basket, you know, every 90 days.

And I'm talking Target yesterday had a big day. Wells Fargo had a big day yesterday. Home Depot had a big day yesterday. A lot of these, what I consider to be soggy stocks, I think they just kind of trade them amongst themselves.

And they do a little bit of reallocating every 90 days. Well, and they're the ones that hold all of them. I mean, when we look at those institutional ownership numbers, I mean, I use UnitedHealth as a great example, a stock that you would have ran from over the last six months, probably over a year and a half. But...

but 90% institutional ownership. And so the only people that own it are those big institutions. And they exchange it amongst themselves because that's the only place where there's enough volume for them to trade the big blocks of shares like they do. And, you know, I mean, just from a logistical point of view, as a guy who's, you know, traded stocks and bought and sold for the last 25 years, you do need liquidity.

Especially now. Well, Target, like you said, Target's 84%, by the way. Yeah, okay. So let's just say that, you know, I was told by someone who used to work there that Merrill Lynch has about 20 portfolios for clients to choose from. And it's just kind of a little different variation from amongst those 100 or so stocks.

And that's why, you know, the Kimberly-Clarks and Johnson & Johnson and Merck and Pfizer, which all had a big day yesterday at the first day of the quarter, which is the natural time that they would be doing their rebalancing. But it just makes sense. It's almost like the corner that Warren Buffett has backed himself into where he's limited to about,

50 or so, maybe 100 stocks to choose from because of the liquidity and how big do you think? If Merrill Lynch has their clients spread out amongst 20 portfolios,

and they decide to make a change at the end of the quarter in one portfolio, lowering their exposure, rebalancing, etc., they've got to do it amongst these great big giant stocks. And I think their hand is limited because of how much money they manage and how big those portfolios are. So that's just my takeaway. And I come to that conclusion because the action I saw in the market yesterday was,

And, you know, where it shows up is on, okay, first day of the quarter. That's rebalancing day. They don't rebalance on the last day of the quarter. They rebalance on the first few days of the quarter. So yesterday you had this giant lopsided day.

where all the soggy stocks led the parade, okay, where they've been trailing all year long and really for the last 10 years. They had a huge day yesterday. And I sent out several charts yesterday as an example. I said, look at this big jump in Target. Did all of a sudden their fortunes change and they're going to go become a double-digit grower? Why is all of this action? Well, then I saw a pattern.

I saw the same kind of action in Pfizer. I said, did Pfizer come up with a new drug today or something? This is the best. I saw the same action in Intel. I saw the same action in the big banks and J.P. Morgan and Goldman Sachs is pretty much, it's a growth stock.

But the other banks are not. Wells Fargo, etc., they're single-digit growers. That's where all the action was in the banks, in the low PE, big soggy stocks yesterday. And as a source of funds, you know what little exposure they have to the winners in their portfolios, maybe the Palantirs, I don't know, maybe the NVIDIAs, etc.,

They had a big sell-off yesterday. So in my book, they were using those as a source of funds to increase their exposure to stocks that didn't perform well in the first half of the year. So you're lowering your exposure to stocks that did well,

and you're increasing your exposure to stocks that did not do well. And I've always found that people will ask me, should I average down on this stock? I'm down about 25% on it. That's not a good strategy. You're throwing good money after bad. If you like it at 100, you love it at 75, right? Yeah. Add to your winners, not to your losers. But that's pretty much how Wall Street works things out.

Just from the natural flow of things and the logistics of it all, if a stock is owned 90% by an institution and you want to unload a bunch of shares, the only one that can buy that is another institution. So I just think they kind of trade those stocks amongst themselves and try to keep everybody a little bit happy.

It's like the old original Wall Street, right, where they're in a circle and kind of all going back and forth. Kind of a racket in a way. It's kind of like a hobby. It sounds like trading cards, right? We got a bunch of this Target we need to get rid of. Somebody had to get rid of it for somebody to buy it.

So maybe Merrill Lynch exchanged it with Wells Fargo, you know, or Morgan Stanley had a bunch of Chevron to get rid of, which had a good day yesterday, and some bigger firm or some other firm bought it from them. I don't know. That's just my takeaway from yesterday. And, of course, the other stocks, the leadership stocks, the NVIDIAs,

The AMDs, the Broadcoms, the NVIDIAs, or the Palantirs of the world. They had an off day yesterday. Now, and you know who else is caught up in this circle is the big financial channels. The CNBCs of the world are.

You know, who advertises? Who are their big clients? Morgan Stanley and Bank of America. And when they start seeing action in these great big stocks, they get all excited over there at CNBC and say, oh, you know what else? The railroads were having a huge day. I saw your CSX post. Yeah, which I have a couple of CSX posts.

HO and O locomotives because they're Charger. They're San Diego Charger colors. They're blue, yellow with the lightning bolt on the side. Reminds me of Dan Fouts and Eric Oriel. Yeah, pride of Jacksonville, Florida, CSX. They used to be headquartered next to my office. Yeah, you drive right by. I think it's right along the freeway there. You see it. Kind of a

Yeah, right by the river, too. Yeah, right by the river. If you're on 95 and you're coming through Jacksonville right there, you don't got much time to look around that spot. That's a weird spot right there. Yeah, you wouldn't think a railroad. I mean, you'd think a railroad would be in Nebraska, Omaha, not Jacksonville. That's where they're headquartered. So the railroads had a big day yesterday, and I could just see.

CNBC today talking all about that. Is it time to buy the railroads? Is it time to get back into Target and all of these big dinosaur stocks?

And then it peters out after about a week or so, and the leaders take charge once again. So we'll see how that holds true. But I don't think at the end of this year we're going to look back and say, gee, I wish at the halfway point I would have loaded up on Wells Fargo, CSX, Pfizer, et cetera. We'll be right back. We'll be right back.

And welcome back here to the second quarter of today's Best Stocks Now show. Quite a bit of news in the markets today.

as there's a little bit of a hurry up on the news feed so we can take Friday off. Paramount pays $16 million to settle the Trump lawsuit over the 60 Minutes interview. I bet they hated to write that check. Of course, they're the parent firm of CBS, and that had to do with the 60-minute interview with former Vice President Kamala Harris yesterday.

That's a pretty big check that you had to write there. That's the art of the deal, right? Didn't you say he asked for 20? Asked for 20, got 16. That's 80% of the number that he asked for. That's kind of a little art of the deal. Minus the legal fees, whatever they were. I'm sure his attorneys aren't cheap. U.S. private sector employment unexpectedly dips in June. I wouldn't get too hot and bothered about that.

The U.S. private sector lost 33,000 jobs, a reversal from a gain of 29,000. The big one is coming up. Did you say tomorrow? Yeah, so they moved it up a day because July 4th. So we'll get the – I believe we'll get a rare Thursday, you know, non-farm payrolls. But, yeah, the ADP number, it's – whatever – for whatever reason, it's usually –

wrong compared to whatever it looks like on the non-farm payroll side. But we'll see. U.S. job cuts announced in June ticked down from a year ago. It's my observation that

I'm not seeing any weakness in the job market, which would be one of the first shoes to drop as we enter into a recession. I would say, did you see where Microsoft, getting rid of, I guess, way off 9,000 additional workers, but the reason there is I saw where the, yeah, 30%, apparently 30% of their code currently is being written by AI at Microsoft. That's what, according to the CEO, so.

Yeah. I'm waiting for the day when I come down here to my office in the morning and there's a robot sitting at my desk and say, hey, pal, you got the day off. Go fishing. I've got this covered for you. I don't know if that will ever happen. But I've got to believe that the layoffs in the tech sector, they're very vulnerable, very vulnerable to this AI that is sweeping the world right now.

The U.S. halts Ukraine weapons deliveries. Why? Because our stockpiles are almost depleted, according to HEGSETH.

which you would think that would be pretty bullish for the defense industry if we've got to replenish a lot of these weapons. We paused shipments of air defense interceptors and other weapons bound for Ukraine, turned it around, said, hey, opting instead to redirect the equipment to bolster American military stockpiles, according to the Trump administration,

The decision reflects the shift in U.S. priorities, I'll say, as the administration emphasizes readiness for long-term challenges, especially in the Middle East and Asia, over continued large-scale support for Ukraine's defense against Russia. Okay, well, a new president comes along, the priorities shift, and that's what you get. The next president will...

deplete our weapons supply and start supporting Ukraine again. Asia stocks dip amid U.S. tariff deadline jitters. I saw that Trump is threatening Japan especially.

Saying, you know what, I'm not going to extend the deadline, which is July the 9th, by the way. That you might want to put on your calendar when we come back from a holiday. Fourth, fifth, sixth, that would be next Wednesday, is the deadline on those tariffs. You know, he paused the tariffs for 90 days on several countries, most of them, in fact. And that's coming up, and he's threatening not to give them.

Yeah, July the 9th. He's threatening to not give them another extension. So something else to think about over your three-day weekend. I saw an interesting panel. I saw an interesting panel yesterday. They had a bunch of the different Federal Reserve chairmen or equivalent of different banks around the world, and they asked the Japanese finance minister about the extension.

And he said essentially no comment because he deferred to the person in charge of actually the Japanese side of that negotiation. So just like Powell has been attempting to stay out of the tariff discussion, he backed away from it real quick. Yeah, that's a hot potato. He's like, I don't want any part of that.

As I said, you know, yesterday a lot of the leadership stocks were a source of funds. They seem to be picking back up here today. Okay, I'm going to use Robinhood as one example. Look at that thing today. Now, that's a conundrum as a money manager. Yeah, now it's up 7.1%. So we picked up Robinhood in the ultra-growth portfolio on March the 12th.

which was about three days after the low in the NASDAQ. And Robinhood, since March the 12th, okay, so you're less than four months from the buy point, is now up 152%.

Now, here's my conundrum, and I don't know if Wall Street, I wonder if Wall Street, once they get, if a position, if something triggers, if something becomes 5% of a portfolio or 6%, I don't know. But I'm sure they have rules that they have to abide by.

And maybe they automatically have to sell when it gets too big in a portfolio. Well, Robinhood in our ultra-growth portfolio is now in 11.9% position, but here's the rub, Barry. It's still hitting new highs. Okay, so what if I had an automatic rule? This is part of being unconstrained.

What if the charters of my fund, ETF, mutual fund, whatever you want to call it, hedge fund, said, hey, you can't have anyone. The bylaws say you can't have any one position that is bigger than 5% in your portfolio.

Well, you would have missed out on it. You have to keep trimming this one, yeah. You just kind of have to take it a case at a time. You can't be constrained. That's what started to bother me about the dividend and growth is that it has to pay a dividend. That's constraining yourself.

because most of your income is going to come from capital appreciation, not the dividends so much. You're not going to live off of dividends. You're going to live off the dividends that are going to be part of it,

Or no dividends at all. They're not necessary, but most of your gains are going to come from your capital appreciation over time. Total return. When I got into the business 25 years ago, the Dow was at around 3,500. Now it's 43,000. It's up 40,000 points.

Those points are all capital gains, you know. That's not counting. The dividends really are a very small part of the overall picture. And yet there is an obsession on Wall Street. That was another area that had a big, big jump yesterday. A one-day phenomenon, I would call it, were the dividend ETFs, like quality dividend ETF. They were up like 3% yesterday. We'll be right back.

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And welcome back here to the second half of today's Best Docs Now show. Let's just check in on...

The market's here very quickly. You know, usually you get a shortened week. It starts early, normally. I think it started last Friday, thinking about the 4th of July. Now, yeah, you know, look, the NASDAQ's actually picking up a little bit, which, you know, I kind of had the opinion that yesterday was a one-day phenomenon.

where you saw big sell-offs in CrowdStrike and Palantir and CoreWeave and some of these market leaders in the first half of the year, and you saw the big outsized gain by the Dow, well, that was a one-day wonder, too. Today you're seeing the Dow down 40 points. It's going back to its normal place in line, which is third or fourth place, and the NASDAQ is assuming its leadership here today.

And the NASDAQ is now up 137 points or 68 basis points, and that could be a new all-time high there. Okay, well, let's look at gold. Gold was obviously a huge winner in the first half of the year, and it had a very favorable environment as an asset class. Number one, you had all the turmoil in the Middle East. Number two, you had all the turmoil with the trade wars and everything.

And gold outshined stocks, really, in the first half of the year. It ended up about 24%. It was up 30% at one point in time. But the long-term average of gold is 5% or 6%.

Okay, and even though gold had a good first half of the year, I look at the chart and I see a major leveling off there. Now, I don't know what your course instructor would say, Barry, from your charting school that you went to. I call that a number three topping off. That's after it's been going up. It levels off like an airplane taking off from Charleston International Airport.

It's been range-bound, been range-bound really since late April, really. Exactly, it's range-bound, and it's done much, much better than average over the first six months. And that would be one, and we did. We lowered our exposure to gold, not because it had become too big of a position, but

But because of the favorable winds that it had at its back subsided, and now gold is kind of flying at a normal, doesn't have those tailwinds behind it anymore. And I see it, you know, performing like it always has, maybe even underperforming. BMI holds a neutral view on gold. So they pretty much back up.

What I am saying here, I don't think you're going to get the same performance out of gold in the second half of the year that you got in the first half of the year. The state of the bond market, would you be happy? We do have a few people that we manage money for that want ultra-safe, and they have all of these different non-correlated... That's probably one of the biggest growth areas in our industry.

are alternative investments, alternative investments. But in parentheses, the fine print, I would put commission-paying investments, right? Most of those private, whether it's a non-traded REIT or if it's private debt, that seems to be the hot ticket right now is private debt as far as non-correlated investments.

Alternative investments, alternatives to the stock market. And I decided a long time ago that I don't want to play any of that game more than two decades ago. And I said, what's wrong with buying a portfolio of six- to seven-year bonds, holding them until maturity, for the people that want that kind of safety, okay, with very little volatility? So here's an example today, Hilton.

I mean, Hilton's what, one of the second, third biggest hotel, maybe the biggest in the world. You can buy a bond going out to 2033 and get five and three quarters percent.

So you figure, you know, you're $10,000. You're going to make 5.75% on it every year. And, of course, you can take that 5.75% and buy more bonds with it. You can reinvest in other bonds and continue that thing rolling. And at the end of the period, you've made 5.75% for seven or eight years, and you get your principal back. Unless Hilton, unless something big happens, right?

which, you know, isn't likely, but there's always that risk. I'm just saying that as far as there's no commissions involved...

There's no big, giant, heavy management fees involved. No contractual requirement in terms of if you're in some kind of annuity, fixed annuity that's paying 4% or 5%. The bonds are liquid, so you don't have some of the liquidity risk of some of these other different products or investments out there. Now,

We've met with a lot of people. I have over the last 25 years. You and I have met with a lot. Have we ever sat down with somebody that was happy that they had purchased an OIDI? Not necessarily.

Not thrilled. We're just telling you the truth here. We don't have really a bone to pick at this. We don't have a dog in this fight other than what we hear from people, what we hear from consumers. Right, and there could be financial planning or potential reasons for that, right, to hold that. But as an investment, a lot of times, particularly if you're looking at it as a stand-alone investment with surrender charges, illiquidity,

potential and other parts of it and high fees. A lot of times it just doesn't make sense from an investment standpoint. No, and most people are taking that 10% out every year just to get out of the thing. They can't take it all at once because they would get hit with huge surrender charges. I'm just saying those are just my observations over the years.

And I've also, I think the private REIT thing turned into kind of a disaster, really, because a lot of people got held. They're stuck. How many private REITs? They might still be in there. They're still in them. Right, because they haven't had that liquidity event that they thought they would, right, in terms of the initial investment.

you know, set up of the investment where, you know, hey, you might be in this private REIT for, you know, we hope to get out in five to seven years. Well, you know, and you may make some interest along the way, and sometimes the interest doesn't come, and then sometimes maybe the interest comes, but that principal payoff in the five to seven years is still locked up for a while, right? You know, was it Mark Twain? He said, I'm not so much the return on my money, it's the return of my money.

And, you know, what in the world would be the advantage of buying into a private REIT versus a publicly traded totally liquid REIT? Can you explain that to me? What advantage there would be in buying into a private REIT?

Well, the problem with a publicly traded REIT is, the good news is, obviously, you have liquidity. The problem is, a lot of those real estate type investments, there's value in that illiquidity piece. There's the illiquidity premium, which kind of helps it be, quote unquote, non-correlated sometimes to the market. But when you

Wrap it up in a market wrapper and you trade it on an exchange. What happens? It ends up looking a lot like the market. Exactly. In times of crisis, particularly. And, you know, I remember in the early days of that private re-craze, they weren't pricing those things every quarter. They were listing the value as what you put into it because there was no market for it. And the SEC came along and said, whoa, wait a minute.

This guy put $50,000 into this reed, and you're telling me a year later it's still worth $50,000? How do we know that? So they got into a lot of trouble, and they had to start pricing those reeds at some kind of a market value.

So I just think the whole thing was a disaster myself. And who made out with the big commissions were the big Wall Street firms. Okay, what else do we have? Oh, look at this lawsuit against Google. We talk about, what did you say, that we invent, Europe regulates,

China counterfeits. Yeah, it's what U.S. innovates, China imitates, and Europe regulates. Well, you can add California to that Europe part. On Tuesday, a jury in San Jose, California said Google misused customer cell phone data and must pay over one-third of a billion dollars, $314 million. That's a pretty big check.

to Android smartphone users in the state. Okay, so that was a jury award, which I'm sure will be appealed, but that's what the jury decided. I don't know, how did they arrive at that number? 314.6 million in damages because they misused the information of California cell phone users, Android cell phone users. We'll be right back. ♪♪♪

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And welcome back here to the final segment of today's Best Docs Now show. Tesla gains after Q2 deliveries tally is not as bad as feared. They announced that they delivered 384,122 vehicles in Q2. The consensus was 389,000.

The electric vehicle giant produced $410,000 during the quarter. The company said 2% of the deliveries tally was subject to operating lease accounting. So it was better than expected. And Tesla's stock had a bad day yesterday, very bad day.

Tesla stock today is up 4.6%. And I see that Elon himself is taking over the sales part in Europe and the U.S. He fired one of his lieutenants, and he's going to do it himself.

in between fighting with Trump. That feud seems to be back on again. Rigetti computing in focus as Cantor starts with an overweight rating. You know, here's my key takeaway from Rigetti, however. They say quantum computing is in its infancy, but remains one of the most highly coveted technical milestones. It's kind of like the cure for cancer, maybe not that bad.

with enormous economical implications, says analyst Troy Jensen. While we are likely years away from full-scale quantum capabilities, the technology has already captured the interest of investors. As such, companies in the sector have seen meaningful appreciation and now trade at steep valuations.

Rigetti recently completed a $350 million at-the-market equity offering to help shore up its balance sheet. So you know what? You be the judge yourself. Are you willing to invest in something now, today, that could be years away?

And they have no order book right now. They have no orders for any of this stuff. So that's what you're fighting in this quantum sector. Highly shorted jack-in-the-box fires off a poison pill to defend itself against activist investors. Well, Barry, can you... The old poison pill. In layman's terms...

Is it one of their tacos at midnight? Is that the poison pill? What's the poison pill? Essentially, it's building something into a deal that, if triggered, basically creates

creates a financial suicide potentially right for a company so essentially it would never get the idea would never get to be triggered it's just there as a fail safe but it's

you know, these, you know, activist investors and, and, you know, it's a way to protect against poison pills, a way to protect against some of that stuff. But yeah, well, you got, you know, boards and, you know, it's interesting. I mean, boards and, and obviously, you know, shareholder votes and those things. A lot of times it's tough because a lot of those, those, you know,

positions and voting shares are what we talked about are the institutions right and so that's where you get that's where this stuff comes you have an institution that's taken a 9-10% stake in the company and they're starting to get very nervous about that when I was out in California recently

We don't have Jack in the Box out here, but I grew up with Jack in the Box. It actually started in San Diego. It was called Food Maker. Oh, really? Yeah. I mean, it's not that good, but you know what? Look, I ate plenty of Jack in the Box hamburgers going through college and high school and everything. A day at the beach, there was usually one down in the beach area or something. I did kind of like their talk.

So there was one out there when I went fishing in California. I did have some jack. They're just as bad as always, but it still kind of hit the spot. I'm not going to go running. It'll fill you up. Yeah. I mean, we don't have enough of that stuff in our neighborhood. We don't have that much. We've got McDonald's and Chick-fil-A, and that's about it.

It's hard to get employees around here. I guess so. We just don't have a lot of fast food available. Geely plans to launch an electric vehicle. That's what we need is one more player in the electric vehicle market. Geely is the company out of China that owns Volvo. And, you know, that's another headache that Elon Musk has. He didn't have any competition for a long time.

Just the startups like Rivian and Lucid, etc., but now China has taken the world by storm. Whether they're selling them or parking them on a vacant lot somewhere, I don't know. But they're producing a heck of a lot of EV cars. You have that headache on the one side with this big increase in supply, and on the other side, in my book, you have a demand problem.

Because people have learned that there's a lot of inconvenience that goes along with having, especially if you're in an area like we are, where the charging stations are not as closely clustered together as they might be out in California.

or other areas. Okay, the last story, I don't know what happened to all the beer drinkers, but Constellation Brands, they've had several bad quarters. I'm going to blame it on the weight loss drugs.

Because not only do the weight loss drugs kill kind of your overall appetite, but I've heard that a lot of people have stopped drinking as much. And smoking, too, like all types of vices. Yeah, I mean, a shot in the stomach and all of a sudden you're vice-free and you're losing weight and everything.

What could be better? I mean, I don't know. I guess it's kind of a wonder drug. But at the same time, it's Tecate beer or Corona beer and this kind of thing is not selling like it used to.

I remember a time when Constellation Brands was a major player, and they were gobbling up all of these. They probably have some tariff issues, I would imagine, potentially, right? These craft breweries, that's such a crowded field. Some kid that wants to get started on a craft brewery in today's world...

It was as crowded as that market is. I wouldn't recommend it. All right, well, we are out of time. We kind of have a shift back to kind of a normal market after a very abnormal market yesterday. If you'd like to talk to us about money management,

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