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Talk Tracks Ep 8: The Skeptic Who Couldn’t Debunk The Telepathy Tapes

2025/4/27
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The Telepathy Tapes

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Kai Dickens: 我邀请Becca Kramer参与播客,因为她对"心灵感应录音带"进行了深入调查,并挑战了长期以来关于拼写、沟通和心灵感应的错误假设。她仔细研究了超过100篇同行评审的研究,采访了各个领域的专家,并仔细分析了从眼动追踪数据到"意动效应"的科学基础,以验证"心灵感应录音带"中的说法。许多记者仍在引用过时的关于拼写的论点,而Becca Kramer通过仔细研究,揭示了这些论点的不足之处。 Katherine Ellis: Becca Kramer最初是一位坚定的怀疑论者,她致力于驳斥"心灵感应录音带"中的说法,但她的研究最终挑战了她原有的世界观。 Becca Kramer: 我最初的目标是驳斥"心灵感应录音带"中的说法,但录音带中清晰的证据让我感到震惊,促使我进行深入研究。我最初的目标是证明Akil并没有读懂他母亲的心思,但我的研究却发现了挑战我许多假设的证据。我观看了纪录片《告诉他们你爱我》,该片中的双盲测试结果表明,非言语人士的拼写可能并非由引导者控制。对辅助沟通的40多项研究使用了"信息传递测试",但这些测试本身可能更适合测试心灵感应。科学家们对"意动效应"的结论可能是由于对新现象的误解造成的。根据信息论,仅仅通过暗示来指导非言语人士选择字母是不可能的。关于"意动效应"的主要研究存在严重的缺陷,其结论不能完全令人信服。我们从未证明"意动效应"是导致信息传递测试失败的原因。关于"意动效应"的Kazuka研究存在方法论缺陷。即使不考虑"信息传递测试",也很难通过暗示来控制非言语人士的选择字母。许多家庭对科学过程失去了信心,因为他们认为科学界对非言语人士的沟通能力缺乏足够的重视。在20世纪90年代,辅助沟通曾出现过虐待指控,这导致人们对这种方法持谨慎态度。为了保护非言语人士的权利,需要制定相应的规章制度,允许他们进行沟通,并进行进一步研究。阻止非言语人士沟通,可能是一种严重的人权侵犯。"心灵感应录音带"中的参与者非常勇敢,因为他们公开承认了心灵感应的可能性。对非言语人士沟通能力的研究具有重要意义,因为它可能影响到数百万人的生活。我计划撰写一篇文章,概述我的研究成果,并与相关人士联系,以推动进一步研究。

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In this episode of The Talk Tracks, we meet Becca Cramer—nuclear engineer, mother of two, and self-proclaimed skeptic—who set out to disprove the claims made in The Telepathy Tapes. What began as a rigorous attempt to debunk the series transformed into a months-long investigation that challenged her worldview.

Motivated by scientific integrity, Becca combed through over 100 peer-reviewed studies, interviewed experts across fields, and meticulously examined the most common criticisms, including the infamous “ideomotor effect” or "oujia board" effect. But as she dug deeper, she found that many long-held assumptions about spelling, communication, and telepathy didn’t hold up under scrutiny.

In a conversation with Telepathy Tapes coordinator Katherine Ellis, Becca shares the “aha” moments that shifted her thinking, the flawed science behind Clever Hans-style dismissals, and how the skepticism that fueled her investigation ultimately opened the door to a more expansive truth.

This episode is a powerful reminder: true skepticism isn’t about cynicism—it’s about inquiry, curiosity, and the willingness to evolve in the face of new evidence.

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