Elon Musk vs Trump Gets Ugly And Ashton Forbes Drops New MH370 Bombshell
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Hello and welcome to Investigator's Podcast. I'm your host Chad alongside my beautiful wife Sherry. On tonight's episode we got a very special guest and this guy's been on the podcast quite a few times and we've got a lot to talk about because it seems like just everything has been going to hell the past week or two and there's been a lot of stuff going down with Ashton Forbes himself. Ashton, welcome back to the show, man.

Hello, Chad and Sherry. How are you guys doing? We're doing great. Yeah, we were just kind of bitching about nothing going on in the news. There was nothing to talk about and now it's blowing up. Yeah, everything seems to be going down, especially the past two weeks. It's like, what in the hell is happening? We're going to talk about that on tonight's show. We're also going to talk about a lot of backlash that Ashton has been getting over the past month and

And it seems like when it rains, it pours. And then obviously, Ashton, also, I want to talk to you about your experience at Contact in the Desert. We've had a lot of listeners reach out and say, hey, did Ashton meet some of these people that have kind of went against him on the M.A. Street 70 theory? All of this stuff. We're going to get into all of that, guys. But welcome to the show. It is June the 5th, 2025. Do have a big announcement. We finally have a merchandise store. And the name of that merchandise store is Investigate Earth.

That is investigate earthstore.com. And there's something very special about it because all of our graphic tees on the store that says limited are only going to be there for one month. So from today, it'll be there for one month after that month. Then we roll out a new line. That shit will never be back unless maybe we decide to bring something back. Very rare. But we're going to do that.

But it is investigate earth store dot com. We will put the link in the description of this podcast. And so we're very excited about it. We've been doing this podcast for like seven years and never had a store. But I do want to design a Ashton shirt that has Ashton's cute little face in the middle with the planes and the orbs. Yeah. For a limited time. So with Ashton's permission, of course. Yeah.

I think it'd be cool. It's a free country and I like you guys. So I guess, I guess I'll give you permission. So there you guys go.

You want to, for some reason, have a shirt with a picture of my face on it and three or four orbs, maybe even six orbs. It would be so cute. It would. It'd be nice. Yeah, we got we got a Beagle shirt, guys. Of course, we had to do a Beagle shirt on the store. We've got a we've got a lot of cool stuff. The only the only shirt this month that we do not have, unless we just randomly add it. So be checking back is a Bigfoot shirt. But I have been seeing a lot of videos about Bigfoot lately. I've been sending it to the guy that we brought on many times on the show. Yeah, yeah.

And he's like a Bigfoot researcher and all that stuff. He's with the BFRO, Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization. And so I've been sending him all these AI videos of Bigfoot, like doing selfies in the woods where he's like finding people's shit or like scaring them off. It's hilarious. And they are really funny. Yeah, it's crazy how fast AI is coming along, which leads us, I guess, to our first thing. Now, Elon Musk has talked a lot about AI and kind of the

the worry that we really should have about AI, like is AI going to develop general intelligence or the general artificial intelligence? And I think a lot of you were saying it may already be there, but let's talk about this now. Good old Elon Musk, which was like Donald Trump's bestie, Donald Trump and Elon Musk are fighting it out on social media. I'm talking about hardcore and one of the posts today. Now this all comes from the big, beautiful bill. Elon Musk said, well,

This big, beautiful bill is not big and beautiful. He says, false. This bill was never shown to me once even and was passed in the dead of night so fast that almost no one in Congress could even read it. Trump said, I was very disappointed with Elon. I've helped him a lot. He knew the inner workings of the bill better than anybody sitting here. He had no problem with it. And all of a sudden he had a problem and he only developed a problem when he found out that we're going to cut the EV mandate.

So, Ashton, let me ask you, is this a legitimate beef? Is this like a legitimate argument between Trump and Elon? I keep waiting on someone or one of them to be like, no, we're just like, yeah, this is April Fool's Day. Yeah, no, I mean, this seems real to me. You know what? I'm just going to go out because I know a lot of people are going to say this is a psyop. I'm already seeing that narrative forming that they're.

distracting from something that's usually what people say but no this feels like raw emotion that's what this feels like i'm looking at this interaction this looks like hurt feelings is what it feels like you know is that they had the bromance and now you've had that fall i'd be like people out there you've had that that good friend you know that you like we're almost like people would make funny you say oh you were like a wedding couple because you were you know such good friends when you're growing up and then you had that fallout maybe both like the same girl

or something like that, or, you know, they forgot to give back your favorite clothes or something. And then you have this big falling out and you find out that, you know, at the end of the day, you had these, all these hurt feelings about it, but you know, you could have just been bigger about it and, and moved on. That's kind of what this feels like. It was like a lot of cheap shots going back and forth, you know, Elon Musk saying like, Oh, Donald Trump's in the Epstein files, but okay. He's in them. But does that mean he's like, you know, implicated in criminal stuff? That's a bit, that's a big difference. Right. Yeah. Uh,

Yeah. And by the way, to that point, Elon's tweet or X said time to drop the really big bomb at real Donald Trump tagged him and put is in the Epstein files. That is the real reason they have not been made public.

So have a nice day, DJT. Like what in the hell? Like how do you escalate something that fast, that big by literally accusing Donald Trump of being the reason why they have not released Epstein files? Well, look at it like this. Elon, what's Elon been trying to do? He got so much fire, so much flack because he was trying to use Doge to get rid of USAID from this huge scandal. We find out that

Essentially, the whole government, everybody affiliated with the government, is leeching money off the U.S. taxpayer to do nothing, to do absolutely nothing. They come up with just fake causes in some cases, and they're just getting contract money from the government and doing absolutely nothing with it. And I'm here to tell you that's basically happening on even a bigger scale than that.

These defense contractors, non-for-profits that are solely government funded. This is all just slush money funds that the taxpayer has almost no oversight over whatsoever. Elon Musk tried to stop that. And he found out, like everybody out there, that this is a system designed to be broken. And everybody is leeching off of it. It's not just the Republicans or the Democrats.

They're all doing it. And so Elon realized the reason why he couldn't get it overturned despite having complete political control and the ear of the president is because no one wants that to happen on the inside. All the political people are the ones abusing the system. There's no incentive for that to occur. So what's the answer? We have to break the system. And you can see now that Elon Musk is starting to get a little bit red-pilled. He's starting to realize that

You know, government may be non-efficient, but it's very efficient at stealing people's money and it's very efficient at hiding information and secrets as well. And that's what I hope to look forward to the day when Elon Musk realizes that zero point energy isn't something that you just dismiss and ignore.

Because when he realizes that, that's going to be the biggest red pill. When he realizes all the rocket stuff he's been doing for the last 20 years is all was obsolete the whole time. And everybody knew it was obsolete. They just didn't tell him. That's going to be what I'm waiting for. Well, do you not think that Elon Musk, though, think about this? I've thought about this before, and this is something we've not really talked about extensively. But the amount of contracts with the government that Elon Musk has.

I mean, and likely from what I've understood is that Elon Musk has some of the top secret, like, you know, the top, top secret security clearances you can possibly have. Obviously, he's developing a lot of our weapons. But do you really not think that he knows about our advanced technology on a level? And he's just lying. He's just out there. He can't say what he really knows. Although, yes, he is still using rocket technology, but he's got to know.

nah he doesn't know you don't think so the giveaway was when he went on rogan last time that's a man that doesn't know he either deserves the oscar for for that i mean like for his performance and he went all in on being a retard right like all in he went on and said not only does it not exist but i have a security clearance and i would know that's not true and he says i also know the defense contractors that's like i have a black friend you

You know, like it's all just the dumbest arguments ever. And he goes, and if they had it, they would be, they would be competing against me. Yeah. Elon, they have class. They've been working with the government, hiding this technology for a hundred years. You came along 20 years ago. They don't give a shit about you landing your dumb rockets on the platform.

They're so far beyond that, that you're a joke to them. You're like, well, I'm making so much money. They don't care about money. They control the money supply. They care about money. They have billions of dollars. They don't need anything more. They don't want to be famous. They don't want any of that.

So, no, Elon Musk just simply does not know. What about Trump? The reason why he doesn't know is because he's not somebody that does the investigative work himself. He just listens to his trusted experts. And all his trusted experts are like Ivy League people that are NPC brainwash type people. Now, they might be awake on COVID.

Because they're the type of people that's not their primary interest. But they're PhDs that come from a classical view of training, of physics, of the Copenhagen interpretation, where everything is particles and everything is real. And they're all wrong. They're all wrong. And they're telling Elon Musk. And they're so certain that they're right because what they build works. Therefore, they must be right.

It's not possible for there to be another interpretation, but there is. There's another interpretation consistent with everything that we can currently do with rockets that also opens the door up to what we would call gravity manipulation. But ultimately, it's just a clever use of physics.

Yeah. Ashton, what do you think about Trump knowing? Do you think Trump knows all the secrets in the hidden knowledge? He knows that we have ultimate weapons and free energy. Yeah, absolutely. And that's why he's out there saying we have weapons that nobody understands. That's not a gaffe. He literally said those exact words multiple times in two different speeches.

The one where he was in Saudi Arabia recently or wherever that was. Yeah. He said that he said he repeated the line that he was going viral for the week earlier. He said, we have weapons nobody understands and we're super far beyond everybody and nobody's going to mess with us or our allies. And that's absolutely true. And when you think what is a weapon that nobody understands? Well, when you look at the MH370 videos, there's a weapon nobody understands. We're watching an airplane just blip out of the sky without disturbing the sky at all.

How is that even possible? Right. That's a weapon that. Hello, it is Ryan. And I was on a flight the other day playing one of my favorite social spin slot games on Chumba casino.com. I looked over the person sitting next to me and you know what they were doing. They were also playing Chumba casino. Everybody's loving, having fun with it.

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One of the when they were doing some of this research, it just got shut down. You're like, how did they shut down like teleportation research or plasma? Because the people that are controlling the funds have no idea the significance of the research that's happening. So like even the people involved in Eric Davis says it's straight up.

that even people in high positions in the government, in the military, et cetera, they have no idea that this technology exists. None at all. But select people do. And if you do, you don't talk about it. It's like Fight Club. Because A, you're abusing that insider information to make tons of money. And B, if you talk about it and start disrupting things...

then you're just shortening your life expectancy significantly. Yeah. And I think too, with that, you know, is do they shut these programs down or do they take them dark?

Right.

If it said like teleporting planes through the sky, they certainly wouldn't axe it, but it never says something like that, right? So these are the ways that they're able to suppress it, even from people like Elon Musk. And I do want to reiterate the idea that, oh, I have a security clearance, therefore I would know about magical technology. That's patently absurd. It's on a need-to-know basis.

And it's above top secret compartmentalized in terms of access. So Trump would have to know 100%. He would have to know because for military purposes and because those videos are on the internet, the technology is already generally known. You might need to know for strategic or leverage reasons, political reasons. You have to know that kind of technology exists. He doesn't actually need to know exactly how it works, but he knows we have it. And like somebody else pointed out, it's probably protecting Air Force One when he's flying around.

Like if some missile or plane or something were to shoot, get shot at Air Force One, almost certainly those orbs are going to get deployed and nothing's going to get teleported away. Yeah. Yeah. I've always wondered, I mean, especially from an aviation perspective is, you know, you have this massive aircraft that's flying through the sky, Air Force One that has the president of the United States, you know, what many would consider likely the most

I guess you can say powerful man in the world, potentially. Most valuable asset. Yeah, absolutely. And yet, you know, never get shot out of the sky. They don't really worry about that too much, including they go over to UAE and all this stuff. Like who's really protecting the aircraft?

That is an interesting concept. And I do want to bring up something because Sherry and I will probably cover this Donald Trump and Elon Musk feud in detail, maybe on our next episode, because I think there's going to be a lot more come out about this. I want to go through the tweets and well, not the tweets, the exes, I guess you call them now. The posts. I want to go through all those because even Elon Musk's girlfriend is out there tweeting now. Oh, yeah. Ashley. I think I saw Ashley St. Clair. She's like, hey, if you want some breakup advice, let me know, Elon. Yeah.

That's her first tweet. And like, I don't know. I know. But isn't it just crazy that there's this feud going on? And you know who's loving is the Democrats. They are loving this. They are eating it up. Yeah. It's kind of like Ashley punched Elon in the eye and gave him a black eye. And that's what Trump was talking about. Because, again, that's just one of those. Why did Trump bring up that Elon had a black eye? When did he say that? Where did he say that? Something about I offered him makeup for his black eye or something like.

that i'm going sitting there in my mind thinking wait isn't he going through like a rough breakup with this ashley sinclair chick right now like a public one like what if she like punched him and like that was one of the things oh that's funny just saying well just from personal experience i think that's from botox yeah from what some people said could be yeah some people said that

I do want to mention this X real quick. The easiest way to save money. This is what Donald Trump posted today at 1 37 PM. The easiest way to save money in our budget, billions and billions of dollars is to terminate Elon's governmental subsidies and contracts. I will always,

I was always surprised that Biden didn't do it. Then he says Elon was wearing thin. I asked him to leave. I took away his EV mandate that forced everyone to buy electric cars that nobody else wanted that he knew for months I was going to do. And he just went crazy. First of all, I think that Trump is lying about this because there are posts from Elon that wanted to do away with these subsidies and do away with the fact that

The government was forcing on the people electric vehicles. And Elon has been public out there by saying, we don't want this. I think we should cancel subsidies. But then you have Trump here acting like that's why Elon's going crazy, even though I definitely do not think that's the reason.

I heard it's because of something about SpaceX and he didn't get the contract for some kind of space stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the reason why the neither of them's points are really very honest. Right. That's what's why that's what shows that it's hurt feelings. The way they're talking like that, they're not being cordial. Right. Like this is obviously they've been feuding behind the scenes and now it's becoming spilling over in the public. That's what this feels like.

And yeah, I think people shouldn't take it too seriously in general. And you shouldn't take everything you're hearing verbatim on either side either. Because it's like a little lover's quarrel basically is what we're hearing. But I think it's interesting to hear. And I do think that Elon, it will push Elon a little bit closer to being red-pilled. Because now Elon really is seeing that it is possible for people to be hiding secrets and how difficult it is to impact change. Yeah, I 100% agree with that. Well, Ashton, we're not going to...

go into incredible depth about the Elon Trump feud. But what I do have to ask is a lot of people have asked, you were just at contact in the desert and we're going to get into all of the backlash that you have kind of experienced over the past month. We're going to get a little bit into Ross Coulthard, all of that stuff on this episode. But we've had a lot of people reach out and say, Hey, I want to know how Ashton's experience was at contact in the desert because we

Contact in the desert is essentially this huge, I guess you can call it UFO conference, I guess. And so basically everybody that is anybody on the internet or whatever, they show up to these things. Some are patrons. Some are people that go speak, um,

And you were there and obviously you were there around a lot of people that have either talk shit about you, tried to discredit you or you have been in tiffs with. So we're talking about people like Jeremy Corbell. Ross Coulthard was there, too, right? Was he not there?

Yeah, I had a confrontation with Ross there. I just went to like I had already I had booked that a while back because I wanted to go and see if I could run into people that I had known and interacted with on social media. And actually I ran into a lot.

And yeah, I wasn't going there to like to trap people. But my my dad always taught me that you should always shake with a firm handshake. Look people in the eye when you talk to them, you know, let them know like who you are pretty much. And so that was kind of my impetuous when I was going around was that I wanted to basically go up to everybody who, you know, yeah, has been talking shit on the Internet and be like, hey, I'm the real guy that you're talking shit to. What have you? I'm a real person.

And, you know, just kind of make small talk. And really, I wanted to get the measure of the man, so to speak, you know, as a Game of Thrones quote, which is to understand, am I right about my judgments on these people? And I feel like in person, I'm a really good judge of the type of character somebody is. And I think ultimately, my overall opinion was that I'm pretty much right about everybody. But I don't think that they are necessarily disinformation agents for the government.

I think that it's more of a situation of that it's just really hard for them to accept and believe. And it's such an unusual situation for somebody as an outsider to come in and find this and be exposing this type of information. It becomes very difficult for people to palate that.

Um, and so for me, it was more so just a matter of like, you know, they just, people aren't awake to this. Like, for example, I, and I'm not to put any people down, but it was, uh, like I ran into Michael Stratt and, uh, Ryan, I forget his last name, but they had a pretty big presentation about reverse engineering. The whole thing was about that. And I ran into them in the elevator. And so I introduced myself and was like, you know, I want to ask this one question. Like, do you think the government has figured this stuff out?

And their answer was a resounding no. And I just look at it and go, this is the perfect explanation of the difference between where I'm at and where the people generally there are at. For them, it's, well, this is kind of unfair, but it's almost like the dangling of the carrot. The carrots are always a few feet away. You just keep chasing it forever. And it's never really meant to end. It's always meant to be continuous, right?

as opposed to what I've been doing, which is not caring about national security and actually trying to find the direct answers as opposed to, Hey, here's this crazy thing. Isn't this weird? Nobody can understand this and I'm not going to try. It's like, Oh,

hey, I just saw something get teleported. How is that possible? Hmm. Who are the people that could have figured that out? Yeah. And that type of thing. And, and too, I want to, I want to make sure everybody knows that, you know, if you're a new listener, Ashton Forbes has been on the leading front of the MH370 aircraft that disappeared in what, 2014, right? Yeah. Yeah. 2014. Just to throw it out there, like,

The reality is those videos are real. I'm a national security risk from having now exposed these for two years. And the science on display there goes all the way back to Tesla. But it really ultimately just only requires us to understand one thing, which is that space, space time is a medium. It's not an empty vacuum. It's a medium that can be manipulated. And it's not inconsistent with Einstein at all, actually completely consistent with

And so, no, that's the thing that is being covered up for us because this opens the door to free energy technology, which, you know. Well, listen, and we're going to get into that. I got to get into some of the gossip, though. So at Contact in the Desert. So I got to ask a couple of things. Jeremy Corbell, did you see him there? What was your thoughts on him? Did you meet him? Did you say hey to him?

Yeah. And I heard this rumor that like, I apparently the people saw, saw me like Thursday night when I arrived and people were wondering, why is that guy there? Right.

They didn't expect me to be there, I guess. And they thought I would be persona non grata as if that would hold me back. No, I just made me want to go even more, honestly. So Friday, I think it was Friday night, I walked up to him and he was hanging out with AJ's brother, Gino from the Y-Files and Vinny Adams and I think a couple other people as well.

And so I just kind of, you know, walked up and said, Hey, I'm Ashton Forbes. And I think I said that I was, uh, you know, sorry, I think I've said some mean things about you on the internet. And he kind of said, just said like, Oh, mean things. Nah, you know, or whatever. And then, uh, but then after that, like, so I asked him, I remember the question I asked him in the group. I said, look, I have one question for you guys. Like,

Would you still want disclosure if disclosure meant, you know, whatever disclosure is, UFOs, aliens, whatever, if disclosure meant the end of the world? And I don't mean right now. I mean sometime in the future, maybe five years down the road, maybe 10 years, 25 years, maybe 100 years down the road. But essentially by opening this box of disclosure, that it meant ultimately we're dooming ourselves. Would you still want it? Hello.

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And Jeremy kind of like laughed and didn't really answer and then never really interacted with the group after that. Just kind of like awkwardly went over somewhere else. And it was actually Gino, AJ's brother, who had the best answer, which is he, he starts going into like what we talk about with the science and that they might be hiding this technology. He's like, I think the government, I definitely think the government's hiding it. And ultimately I think it means that we're in like a simulation. And I just pointed at him and go, exactly. That's exactly what I think is going on as well.

And so I chat with those guys for a little bit and then just kind of, you know, went on my way because I could tell where I wasn't really, you know, was totally welcome. But yeah, they were super nice still, you know, and I think it was good to have a show that we can just hang out and be normal people and chill and have a conversation. Ashton, you remind me of Nick Fuentes at the Republican National Convention. Oh, my gosh, that's not true. It probably was like that. I don't know.

But I think you had fans there as well. I'm sure you did. It's funny because even though we are in completely different realms of content, like I do think that the scenario is quite like him where he's kind of built this, um,

you know, following of people that all share a similar worldview. And it resonates, you know, and it resonates. And he's also blackballed because of that worldview that he has from many different platforms. And he's articulate, you know, and he's knowledgeable as well. And that's something that,

people are afraid of. And so when I look at it, I go, I want to try to emulate those qualities, maybe not in the same way. I don't have the same political opinions, but I look at it and I say, yeah, I want to be able to explain the science. I want to be able to articulate it in a way people can understand. And I want to be able to resonate with people. And those are the reasons why I have more followers on Twitter, at least than anybody else in the UFO community, even more than Jeremy Corbell, even more than Stephen Greer.

Because people resonate with somebody who's just out there actually trying to find the truth without a bunch of bullshit, without a bunch of pageantry and not trying to say, oh, wait till Saturday at 7 p.m. and I'll give you the real secret sauce. It's like, nope, you just get it unfiltered in real time. And I think that's why people love you, Ashley. And the interesting thing about this too is

You know, obviously, we've talked a lot about UFOs on this show. I mean, over I mean, really, since the beginning, literally, our first episodes was about Area 51 because that was we were going to do a conspiracy podcast or like what is the most in our minds? Like, what is the most intriguing thing? Area 51. And for those that out there that maybe don't really know about this topic, right, you have people like Jeremy Corbell, which is.

Probably one of the biggest names in the UFO community. You know, he's a documentary filmmaker. He's alongside George Knapp. George Knapp broke the story of Bob Lazar, which allegedly worked on reverse engineered spacecraft in Area S4, Area 51 back in the late 80s.

And so, you know, they've blown up, they've had movies on Netflix and you name it. And then you've got people like Ross Coulthard, which is on news nation, you know, like you were saying earlier, Ashton is kind of reminds you of like, um, you know, Ross Coulthard in, in, in like a lower level is like a Tucker Carlson on Fox news, but he's kind of one of those big figures, especially now that he's talking a lot about UFO. Is he on news nation news nation? Yeah. And he has these special reports and all this stuff and everybody's just locked on to his special reports. Um,

But the interesting thing is, obviously, he started kind of coming out against Ashton on mainstream media on a special that Ross Coulthard has had. And, you know, keeping also in mind, Ross Coulthard has been leading these specials probably over the past six months, a year to where he would have these specialized programs that was like 30 minute segments. He would talk about all of his evidence and all the stuff that he's been researching about UFOs.

And then as things started to get hotter for Ashton, as Ashton started to get bigger and his message started to get more clear for a lot of people on the Internet, that's when you started seeing not only Ross Coulthard have almost an entire special on News Nation about Ashton, kind of in some ways. Yeah. But also there has been a lot of people. We've actually had so many people, Ashton, have reached out to us and said,

Guys, do you know how many people that Joe Rogan has been bringing on that has been talking about Ashton? Well, not even Ashton. Well, sometimes Ashton, sometimes not. They bring Ashton up a bunch. Yeah, but in particular, they're talking about the science, but they don't want to talk about it with you. And that's the interesting thing. So before we get into that, though, did you meet Ross Coulthard at this thing? Did you guys interact at all at Contact in the Desert? No.

Yeah. Let me flip the answers back first though, which is that, yeah, it's weird. If you look at the Sonny White interview for, with Joe Rogan and the Hal Putoff interview, these are two people like Hal Putoff's the guy at the top hiding all this, like at the top. Yeah. He's connected to all of it. All the science I found is in, he's somehow involved in all of it. He's got to be at the top.

and he's just talking to joe rogan like whoa if you look at the comments people are like when are you talking to ashen ford just crazy i mean there are and then he has sunny white on i mean nobody really knows who sunny white is except for if you follow me you know because he worked at nasa he tested the impossible drive found anomalous thrust he was also testing warp drive uh experiments and now he's showing joe rogan a free energy microchip hands him a prototype

I'm just sitting here going, holy shit, what is actually happening? But the only person Joe Rogan won't talk to is me, which is kind of bizarre, but it goes to some of that...

hatred and what have you that you have out there and so what i've concluded is that you know i because i've now spoken to a lot of people that are in this direct sphere of influence is they just generally don't like me and then for in general most people are just ignorant they're just ignorant they just don't realize that like teleportation isn't science fiction it's actually just normal physics and it's been normal physics for almost 100 years we've just been so successfully brainwashed

into thinking that teleportation is science fiction from movies, TV shows, and that free energy is not possible because of a misunderstanding of thermodynamics. Literally, just a simple misunderstanding of thermodynamics turns free energy into an absolute reality. And so what I realized is these people aren't all disinformation. We just are extremely ignorant as a species. And even people that are awake in many aspects are just...

completely oblivious and will, in some ways, they will fight the authority when it's government or even media. But when academia comes, I'm a PhD expert, you should listen to what I say. All of a sudden, they go, yep, okay, I'm gonna listen to exactly what you say. There's no way you could be wrong or not in the know. And that's the problem that we have. So with Ross Colhart, truth is, I don't want to have beef with Ross Colhart. And this is what I told Bryce Zabel, which is his podcast host, is that

If somebody is going to come at me and they're going to do so in mainstream media, you can expect a response. Of course, you can expect a response because nobody will talk about me in mainstream media. So if you dare and worse yet, if you're going to lie or misrepresent my opinions, then you're definitely going to get a response. And the biggest sin that Ross Cole committed in that clip, he can have whatever opinion he wants to have. The reason why he was making that clip was because he gets asked about me nonstop. They all do.

And at some point, the silence becomes overbearing for these people. And that's why he lashed out like that. But the biggest sin he committed was not reaching out to me.

He didn't reach out. He's a journalist on mainstream media who didn't reach out to me about a comment about me. Why not just reach out to me? That way you don't have to say that I think aliens zapped a plane, which is a complete lie. You don't have to say that Ashton doesn't have responses for these debunks. What are you talking about? I've responded to every debunk dozens of times, dozens of times. So just going on TV and straight up lying like Ross Colhart did is

is just an embarrassment. And the thing about it is, I think he believes the lie. He truthfully believes the lie in his own mind. And he believes that I must be a scammer. Because if I'm not a scammer, that means that he was fooled. And that means that he was in big trouble. But beyond that, the bigger issue than all that, somehow there was a bigger issue than that, which is Scott Roeder, he was a crime scene investigator,

And he researched the Las Vegas aliens, the shadow aliens thing. He, a couple of weeks ago, came out publicly in support of me without me even knowing he would. I had talked to him, I think, one time over the phone a few months back. Randomly out of the blue, he makes this long statement about how he supports me, the work, thinks it's real, etc. And he texts me and says, I got this message from Ross Colhart.

I'm like, what? You want to send it to me? Like, what is it? So he sends it to me. I wake up and I see the message I'm looking and I click it open. It's so long. I have to like scroll multiple times. So I copy and paste it. It doesn't even fit my discord because it's 8,000 characters, 8,000 characters. That's what? 1,500, 2,000 words. Holy shit.

And it's just lie after lie after lie. Like I, it's the most manipulative thing. It's like somebody, it's like an L jealous ex-boyfriend sends to the ex-girlfriend to try to like manipulate them into feeling bad. Right? Like,

makes up a lie about how he's getting death threats from my community and how I'm viciously attacking him and slandering him online. And I'm just going, dude, that's what you're doing. That's what you're doing right here in this letter to this guy. And why is he even sending this guy a letter? He's never platformed Scott Roeder before. And then...

And so he's like almost like a like manipulative to try to get him to change his public stance about me in a private behind the scenes letter that has full of lies about me. And then so the first thing I do is I reach out to Ross because I'm like, dude, this is like crazy that you're doing this. Like, why aren't you just reaching out to me instead of like lying about me behind my back? And he doesn't respond at all. And then I get another message from Scott same day.

saying, Ross just called me or texted me and said, you're dead to me and you can never talk to me again. What? Oh my god, are you kidding me? To this guy? All real. All 100% real. If anyone disbelieves, you can go ask Ross Colhart yourself. I can't believe this all happened. And I've posted the full letter on social media. I even read several paragraphs of it on one of my live streams. I can believe it. You can listen. If anything, I'm downplaying it. If anything, I'm downplaying it, guys. And

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Yeah, it's right there. Yeah, super nice. And so they've got this nice breakfast thing set up outside and we're just walking down there and I looked at my left and there's Ross Colhart sitting next to Bryce Zabel podcast co host at the table, you know, and I like, oh, wow. And so then he looks over makes eye contact. I'm like, oh, well,

OK, hey, Ross. I just keep walking. I figure that's all what's going to happen. He says something and I couldn't hear him. So I'm like, OK, kind of walk back and lean over the railing. Like, what was that? And, you know, basically, you know, he made it appear seem like he thought maybe that I was there just to ambush him.

Which, you know, maybe I could see him thinking that, but no, that's a little too self-centered. I wasn't really there for all that. But we ended up having a little conversation. And really what I want to know that I asked him is, does he think that I'm really out here scamming people? Does he think that I just woke up one day? It was like, you know what guys, here's these crazy videos. I'm just going to pretend like these are real and scam people into thinking that the planes are teleporting away or whatever. Yeah.

Right. Like, does that really make sense in people's minds? If that's a thing that you can do and you can scam people on that, then more power to you. Honestly, I mean, there's a lot of work, by the way, for you to do to scam. Holy shit. That's a lot of work. And he wouldn't answer the question. And he made it seem like it was some kind of legal issue or why we couldn't talk, which is like because I basically, you know, threatened a legal action online because he's lying about me, which is, again, all true. And so, OK, I've reached out to News Nation's lawyers. I reached out to them yesterday and the day before yesterday.

And because I'm happy to discuss the legal issue at play here, those videos are absolutely 100% real. And so...

uh so the other thing that i want to hold on is there a legal issue right now between you and news nation or ross colthard or what's the i mean not an official one well but i my issue is that he's lying about me you have an anchor on mainstream media lying about me to people yeah behind my act and on tv isn't that defaming you yeah oh to me it's defamation absolutely so i reached out to them to figure out what they're going to do what i would like is recourse

a public apology from Ross Colhart and you know to me and to the families of MH370 because what had happened so just to finish off that story about you know Ross is

I was trying to remember what the other thing was. But anyway, so I was relatively cordial with him. Oh, I said that, you know, I'm not doing this to him. He's the one destroying his own career. Like those videos are absolutely real. And I just asked, like, why won't he just apologize? Like if I did to somebody what he did, like talk behind shit behind people's back, go on mainstream media, make up a bunch of lies about somebody.

I would apologize even if I felt like I was in the right. I would probably still apologize because that's just such a scummy, scummy thing to do. So I just ask him, why won't you just apologize? The whole thing would have gone away if you just apologized. Right. Isn't that the high road? He goes, I have nothing to apologize for.

Holy shit, man. How delusional can you possibly be? I have no clue. So I said, Ross, you are the one destroying your own career. If you don't believe me that I said this, you can ask Bryce Zabel or my buddy Mike said, you are destroying your own career. I'm not doing anything to you. As you implode in yourself, those videos are 1000% real. And then Bryce finally spoke up. He is, by the way, he's a nice guy. I spoke to him later on and, you know, I said I would smooth, I would go easy on Ross, but I also just have to tell the truth. Um,

He said, hey, guys, we're kind of busy because they were talking before that. And I just immediately got, I said, okay, peace. And then we just instantly walked away. No more words. Because I'm not there to antagonize, but I did want to know answers to the questions. I wanted to understand if Ross is actually...

and lying about me on purpose, or if he's just ignorant and misinformed. And my impression after all this was that he's just ignorant and misinformed. And that was my impression of most, a lot of the people there, honestly, that they're good people, that they believe in what they're doing. And some of them are doing really good work, but they're generally just misinformed and not really aware of,

How successful the misinformation campaigns have been to hide this technology from people. And that's what's crazy. And I know Tim cast is not mainstream media, but he is pretty mainstream. And he has brought you on the podcast despite that.

the interactions with these other people. Tell me a little bit about that podcast. Yeah. And, and yeah, to Sherry's point, I mean, he even said on the clip, he's like, look, I can't even tell you how many people have been talking shit to me because I brought you on is the craziest thing I've ever seen. Like we can bring all kinds of crazy people on, but we bring Ashton Forbes on. Oh God forbid. Yeah.

Like I said, guys, I'm a national security risk. That's the reason why you're seeing this. You don't see this for Bigfoot. You don't see this for Flat Earth. You don't see this for anything else. But if you start saying that a Malaysian Airlines flight that disappeared inexplicably out of the sky was abducted or teleported by the United States government, next thing you know, you've got every single disinformation spook on the internet doing that. Did you see that one guy that we talked about? I don't want to say his name. Oh, yeah. Did you find out that he's actually a real...

intelligence community guy. He's admitted it. By the way, Ash, the main guy that was railing against me. Let's just say double vaxxed. In the very beginning. No, no, no. We call him Booster. Don't say his name. I won't. I just said the guy in the beginning. Yeah, Booster. Yeah. Yes. So.

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don't believe the videos are real, those are the people that I trust the most, actually. The people that are like, I think they do think the videos are real, but then they're not platforming, those are the people I don't trust a lot. So Tim Pool, I thought was it and turns out definitely is, is that, you know, because he's I wanted to leak that out a few days in advance that that was going to happen. And I wanted all that flow of hatred because they're terrified that this hits the mainstream. That's what they're terrified the most because they built this wall of silence around the case and around the videos. And

And the moment this starts to go mainstream and people start to realize those are real leaked military videos, the boulder cannot be stopped at that point. So Tim saw it, and I'm glad he commented about it. I did not expect him to comment about it. And yeah, because he realizes how inorganic all out of that seems. And the other reason why I was like Tim Pool is because he has seen and stated multiple times that his defense contractor friends have shown him faster than light communication.

And I knew that was connected to what was going on in the plane. So I'm like, that can't be much of a stretch then if you understand that to be real, to understand this. But to go back to the Ross Court thing for one second, because this will then segue back, is that the big mistake Ross made

And it wasn't even necessarily his own fault. Unforced error is that he railed about how I said the satellite video was from these satellites. And he said he talked to his NGA. So, yeah, hey, wait, can we can we play this action in this clip real quick? Sure. For what you're about to talk about. Let's play this and then and then hold on to your thought. Here it is. Here's Ross Coulthard on mainstream media news nation talking about Ashton Forbes. And there is more to this clip than what we have. But it's about two minutes long.

Listen, it's time to give a response to this issue. Firstly, I've spoken to somebody in the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency who tells me that the video that is shown in that supposedly leaked video bears no resemblance at all to the kind of video telemetry that you get from those satellites. It's not NGIA or indeed any other type of US government satellite.

But more importantly, and I think surely to God, this would kill the issue stone dead if people looked at it. There are videos of the clouds that were taken from a photo bank, a known photo bank. And they show very, very clearly that whatever the... I'll just put it up on screen. So...

I think the one on the left is the one that's cited in the MH370 video and promoted by Ashton Forbes. And the one on the right is from a photo video bank. And the guy who actually shot the photograph for the photo video bank, which is essentially a raw archive of images, the photographer has come forward and said, I shot that photograph. That's my cloud.

And all I know is that when Ashton was asked about this and asked to explain the reasons why the clouds in the supposedly leaked video bear an identical resemblance, not a resemblance, they're identical to the ones from the photo archive, he really didn't have an adequate explanation. In fact, when Danny Jones raised it with him on his podcast, he said,

He gave Danny Jones a rather puerile explanation that my butthole looks like your butthole, which is quite vulgar and really didn't answer the question. So I'm really sorry. I don't agree at all that this is persuasive evidence. And I think that Mick West, to his great credit, the skeptic, I think he calls himself Metabunk,

He wrote a piece for the Skeptics, which basically went through in great detail. Mick's also a guy who's worked, I think, in CGI and graphics.

And he's explained, I think, very persuasively why he doubts very, very much that the MH370 video is an authentic leaked government video. Okay, but also, let me just start here because we're going to start from the back forward. Mick West debunks anything. He would debunk a blue sky. He would tell you it's red. Mick West will debunk a vehicle. He will say that a car is actually a...

A flying pig. Or something. Mick West does this. Joe Rogan just talked about Mick West on his podcast just a couple days ago and where he said, look, the problem I have with Mick West is he tries to debunk everything. Now that's number one. Number two, Ross Coldari here is saying that, oh, I reached out to my guys in the government and they say this is fake. Oh, really? Shit. So there you go. That's over with. No, not even because of the clouds. Let me respond. Let me just let me respond because I want to make sure I'm 100% clear. Ross Coldari just said I don't have adequate answers to these questions.

Well, let's just start with the fact that I reached out to Sculptor and Enquirer to remove their defamatory and false article that was written by Mick West. The videos are not VFX. They're not video games. One of them is the Air Force's Gorgon Stair Wide Area Motion Imagery.

So weirdly, Ross Colhart was right. Right after he posted that, right after he said those words, just two or three days later, I found out it's actually not a satellite video at all, even though it's called satellite video. It's actually a drone with two pods, one in each wing, staring down at a low altitude airplane that is MH370.

So that's weird. Ross Colhart's sources told him it wasn't anything consistent with any satellite footage. They just forgot to mention that it is actually consistent with the Air Force's Gorgon Stair Wide Area Motion Imagery. In fact, it's not just consistent.

It's a point for point perfect match. It is Gorgon Stare. 100%, no question, no doubt. And explain what Gorgon Stare is, Ashton. Not only is it a point for point perfect match for this system, must be this system. If it's not this system, it is a different system that has the exact same capabilities as this system. But also, I have a source that worked at China Lake on Big Safari, which tests the drones and the drone surveillance capabilities that confirmed it for me.

Let me address a couple other points real quick as well is that

to great credit to Mick West. What is this bullshit that Ross is saying right there? Mick West debunks everything that Ross Colhart believes in, but somehow now he's siding with a guy that's his worst enemy. Now he's believing him out of nowhere, just with no evidence whatsoever. Let me address the cloud photos that Ross says I have no answer to. This is the biggest one, Ashton, by the way. I think the cloud photos are the biggest thing

piece of what they consider evidence. Here's the best part. We just proved that they're fake. We just proved beyond any shadow of a doubt. Why? Because that's Gorgon Stare wide area motion imagery. How is Gorgon Stare wide area motion imagery produced? Oh, it's a bunch of photos stitched together by a super advanced software system. So which is it? Did a human being take some photos and stitch them together and make that whammy footage? Or did the Gorgon Stare whammy system that's the only system capable on Earth do it?

Yeah, it was the Gorgon Stare system that put that together, that whammy footage together. Not a human being. In fact, that's the only possible outcome. And what that means, absolutely no question, is that someone took the Gorgon Stare imagery, the images, because they have those on their servers before they get stitched together.

And they edited them and planted them into that set. And how can I say this? Because I actually did the research. Ross Colhart didn't. Neither did Mick West. They forgot to mention that if you look at those photos in the API of the website itself, it says they were created on October 25th, 2014.

Well, the videos were already on the internet in May of 2014. More than five months before that, they were already out there. And you know what? Just to be fair, we looked on the Wayback Machine. They don't even exist before 2016 in the Wayback Machine. They simply do not exist anywhere on the internet. Anywhere on the internet. And the internet's a big place. Those photos do not exist anywhere on the internet. They don't even exist in any torrents. We also checked third-party torrents that couldn't have been tampered with

Cloud photos also don't exist in there. The weirdest part is the folder that they were entered into did exist in 2012. It was just empty. It was sitting there empty the whole time. And the photo set that they claim this photographer took them from, the numbers aren't even sequential.

These pictures that they claim were used to make the Gorgon stare whammy. There's like a huge gap in the sequential number of the camera. It goes from like 32 to like 42 all of a sudden. There's like all the numbers are sequential. Then it jumps to that. And then you have these five photos and then it jumps again. And you're going, wait, but if you look at the metadata, which you guys are telling me isn't manipulated, these pictures only taking seconds apart. The camera just decided to renumber them midway while you were in the middle of taking photos. Okay.

No, somebody just planted those photos to make them look like they were part of an existing set. The photographer is not on the record anything. The photographer did not take credit for the photos, has not taken legal authority of the photos, and he's deleted his debunk video and he's gone into hiding. Those are all facts. That's not opinion. Those are facts. I remember this guy, by the way, Ashton. I remember site owner is a guy named Marcel. I want to I'm going to find his last name because his name should be known for the public.

The website name owner, who might not even be a real person, by the way. We looked into this company. The company has only been registered in 2023 somehow, even though it's registered in the old name of the company that supposedly existed in 2012. His name, Marcel Vinder something or other. This guy is friends with Mick West, personal friends with Mick West, according to Mick West's own article, where he admits that he's known the website owner for a long time.

The website owner and the photographer are potentially two of the only people that would have had access to manipulate the photos back in 2014, whenever those photos got entered. So they are directly implicated in the cover up.

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photos, which you got, I agree with you guys, they met, they match those photos match. That is a crime that you have that you are in possession and you are an attempt of covering up the fate of 239 people. And I want to promise anybody out there again, this is not a joke.

that anybody out there in the future, when these videos are made to be real, anybody connected these photos that are clearly from the Gorgon Stare, your life is over. I'm going to make sure you are the most hated people on the entire planet for the rest of your natural lives. So be very careful about what you say about me in the media or about these videos in the media, because they are absolutely not fake.

One more thing about the website owner, what was just found out as well, is that he forgot to mention that he has another website service for creating fake high quality cloud pictures. I shit you not. No way. You cannot make this up.

By the way, these guys. Yeah. CG skies. Yeah. I saw that. And, and, and two, like I know we're talking about the photos and obviously with the, with the actual, you know, as an owner, if you saw our post, our posts got like shit tons of views and likes and reshares. I actually just retweeted you actually. I did. What do they call that? When you,

When you get more likes than the original post, I did do that on you, Ashton. Sorry. I retweeted Ashton. I just said, Hey, here's the deal about the photos. And it got more likes than your actual original post, which was interesting because it was so many people talking shit. But then there were people that were making amazing points.

And so we had this guy that there's who is this new who is this new person that's come out right with the videos that you've shared about industry 70 to where they were potentially zapped out of the sky, whatever you want to call it. Who is this guy that's coming kind of come along over the past two months where he's been the big debunker?

um that says hey we know for sure this is what it is and it's just one big account on x do you know do you know i'm talking about or no i have no idea honestly okay but real quick uh so his name is marcel v-i-j-f-w winkle vil vilfwinkle anyway so one more piece of that you're not this is another absolutely unbelievable fact

We found all we look once we find out this guy's name. First thing we do is start Googling around to find out where he's been posted in social media, et cetera. Of course, we find out he has the exact camera that they've been alleging took the cloud photos, the exact model sub model camera, a Canon EOS.

5D Mark II AF. I don't know if AF is part of it. Find a post from 2009 where he turns out he has the exact camera that supposedly this photographer took these photos with. So if you were to fake the photos, you have the exact thing you need to be able to make those look like they're part of something else. Absolutely wild. So just to sum this up, the photographer has been discredited, is in the wind, has deleted everything.

The website owner has no credibility whatsoever. The API proves that the cloud photos weren't added until after the videos already existed.

Mick West is somehow connected to all these people. This Marcel person might not even be a real person. It could just be a front company for the CIA, for all we know. We have no idea. And instead of actually addressing these claims, he took the time to make a animation of a UFO flying over the cloud pictures in his website. So he has no credibility and hasn't taken any of this seriously from the very beginning. In the meantime, I've already proven that his Gorgon Stare wide area motion imagery is

And for some reason, Ross Ross's sources didn't tell him that. And then when I actually confronted him, I forgot about this. I asked him, why didn't you confirm that it was Gorgon Stare? Like like two days after you made this big thing about me, I said, it's Gorgon Stare. It should take you five minutes to talk to your Air Force sources. Anybody that's seen Gorgon Stare will know that video is real immediately. So go ahead and make the five minute phone call. I said, Ross, why didn't you confirm?

with your sources that's Gorgon Stare and this would all have been avoided, right? Oh, I don't care. That was his response. He doesn't care. He's not interested. He's not interested. Yeah, because he just wants to debunk you. What kind of journalist...

on mainstream TV would not be interested. I've given you verifiable information. You only have to spend five minutes of your time. Anybody in the last 10 years. This is why I don't even care about Edward Lynn anymore. I've already got them 100% dead rights. Nothing anybody can say. Nothing the debunkers can even say. They've all gone quiet. Nothing they can say because now they know they're wrong and they know it's been proven. Because that's Gorgon Stare,

Hundreds, if not thousands of people have seen that that footage Gorgon Stare footage. Yeah, I mean, by the way, when did when did when did we start believing in mainstream media news personalities? Is it just the UFO thing? I've got people lining up in my replies to testify in a court case that that's Gorgon Stare.

So I wouldn't even have to pay them. Probably. I was thinking I might have to pay somebody, be an expert in a court case. I want this to go to court. Now I want it to go to court now because I have absolute proof and I have experts that have seen Gorgon stare that will testify that that's Gorgon stare. What are they going to say? What's the other people going to say? No, it's video game effects. Some anonymous unknown person made it. Good luck. There's no such person.

There is no such person. And somebody was had been lying and claiming. Actually, I will say his name, Joe Lancaster, has been publicly lying and knowingly lying and claiming that he made these videos. I think in his mind, he thought the videos were fake and that he would play some kind of like a mouse game about it.

Right. And I had called him out from the very beginning that I knew he didn't make the videos. I knew the videos were real and he persisted with the lie. He even convinced a lot of the debunkers that he had made the videos. A lot of them. I remember this guy. Some of them knew he was a scammer, but other ones didn't. Yeah. Textures person reveals this is how the texture, the textures website owner reveals that in February of twenty twenty four.

Joe Lancaster was trying to coordinate with them this whole scam about pretending to have made the videos and send me fake emails that I sent you the photo that you I bought the photos from literally telling the texture person, send me fake receipts saying that I made the that I took these that I bought these photos from you. And I saw that. Holy shit.

shit oh my god are you kidding me no i saw it yeah this is a literal this is literal operation being run right yeah this is definitely an operation that's an operation like what are you even trying to do here you're like literally trying to lie to try to prevent a to produce a completely fake story and you're trying to get the other scammer

The Marcel guy, he's a scammer for sure, because he those are not photos from Japan. A guy named Joseph did not take those photos. That is Gorgon Stare wide area motion imagery. Anybody who says otherwise is a liar. In fact, I want to call another person out. We're calling people out today. Arthur was this guy's name again? Arthur Michael. He wrote the book on Arthur Holland Michael. He wrote Eye in the Sky, the whole book about Gorgon Stare.

This guy is a 100% fake phony fraud. Nobody should hire Arthur Michael Holland, Holland Michael to do anything or to talk about Gorgon Stare. He hasn't, he doesn't even know what it looks like. He replied. He only made one reply. I actually reached out to him too. Cause I wanted to know about what he knows about Gorgon Stare. He didn't reply to me. This is not Gorgon Stare. That's what he replied on one of the videos of Gorgon Stare. When I posted the MH370 videos, uh,

Yes, it is. Yes, it is, Arthur. And you should have talked to your sources before you made such a stupid post because now your career is over. No one is ever going to believe anything you ever have to say because you wrote a book about Gorgon Stare and you don't even know what it looks like. Yeah. And Ashton, too, like with all this shit we're talking about, I mean, and I'm sure there's people listening to this podcast, especially because we do all types of topics. And one thing I want to say is

I don't think people understand the implications of if you're right.

Right. I mean, that's the biggest thing. And yeah, it's some they're hiding. They want to hide this technology. They don't want people to know that we actually have this technology. And that's the whole debate, I think. Yeah. Well, you know, it's more than that, too, because here's the sad part. It's the thing that's really holding us back is not generally a lot of people want the technology to come out. If you were to just if you were to put everybody in the know and say you want this technology or not, 90 percent of people are going to want technology to come out.

What most people don't want is to be exposed as complete frauds and charlatans. That's what most people don't want.

Yeah. Most people, what they care about the most is what other people think of them. Yeah. That's what Ross Kolar cares about the most. That's what Jeremy Corbell cares about the most. That's pretty much all people out there. They care about how other people perceive them. Right. And that's the thing they don't want to expose the most is that if Ashton Forbes is right about these videos, it basically shows their whole lives have been a lie. Yeah. They've been so incompetent that they've been not able to discover anything in decades. It shows the people that were the MH370 investigators. Yeah.

All completely in common. It shows that I knew more than people that consider themselves to be world class experts in their field, that a random guy off the street was able to completely outclass them while drinking martinis on his live stream. Do you have any idea of how embarrassing this is? It doesn't show the people that are the journalists don't do any journalism whatsoever that a random guy in his spare time, just on his nighttime, in addition to his nine to five.

Can do more work than they've done in their entire lives in just one year. And by the way, I can't let it come out. I've seen the memes because they've all tried to, you know, back in the day used to, which I don't know if you do it as much anymore, but sometimes you have a martini on your life, which I mean, we do have dance sometimes. And it's so cute. I love it. It's great. And that is my thing I want to talk about.

going forward, but I won't talk about it right now. But what I'm saying is, is that there's been this kind of push to try to make you out to be an alcoholic. Like tonight, by the way, tonight, uh, we've been, we actually see Ash on video right now. You guys cannot see him. Yeah. We, we, we don't. Yeah. He, he ate spaghetti and he don't drink. He's drinking a Coca-Cola in a bottle. So that's what I'm saying. But people want to do anything they possibly can to try to discredit you in any shape, way or form. And, but,

But I want to go back to something else. We had a...

We had a bounty on these videos. This was probably about a year ago. And this is when Kim.com was in it. This is when we were in it. We were in it for 20 grand. I don't know what Kim.com was, 100,000 maybe or whatever. Yeah, but do we really believe that? I think Kim was probably, I mean, he was probably in on this cloud picture scam thing. I think that was a whole operation that they ran. But tell me more about the cloud thing. Things were getting so huge. I don't understand the cloud thing. Like, why are they having so much issue with the clouds? Well, that's what I thought.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. So and then the other thing, too, is Ross Clark conflated two debunks there, too, when his thing I think at the end he talks about the VFX comparison and Danny Jones. That's a completely different thing. The VFX didn't match at all. Still doesn't match. That's why it's just completely dismissed. Like you can just look at the VFX they try to claim is in the videos or whatever. They say it's like a perfect match. You can just look at the unedited VFX. It doesn't match. It's just people like, what about this thing from Anchorman? What do you mean? Yes, I'm the one. I am the one.

that told debunkers that it was in Anchorman and in the other things. Because you can just look at it and you can just see that it's not the match. And I'm like...

Like, and their whole argument is that you, they completely edited it. That's their real argument. They're not saying that it's a match. They say after you completely edit the effect, then it's a match. That's their argument. That's why the, the butthole comparison, because you can edit an orange into an apple. That doesn't mean it's an apple, right guys? Like let's just use common sense here. So those don't match. And then Ross color is mixed up the cloud pictures. There are cloud pictures on the internet that the clouds match, right?

Absolutely the clouds match. Maybe you have to stretch them slightly, but it's the same clouds. The same formation. And so the answer is those cloud photos were planted on the internet. And where did they come from? Well, they come from the Whammy pictures because Whammy is actually photos. It's photos looking down or at an angle being stitched together by a software system.

The question you have to ask yourself is, did a human stitch a bunch of cloud photos together and then create two videos of an airplane flying by? No, because that's not humanly possible. That's why you don't see videos like that. That's why the software does that. That's why they paid millions, if not billions of dollars to produce the software that does that for the military.

Yeah. And two, I mean, and I've said this to some of our listeners, we've talked to some of them and leading up to this conversation with you is number one, this is you have been, well, we, I guess not we, but like, you know, you didn't come on our podcast first. So we got to say we. Oh my gosh, Chad. Why do you always do that?

You always want to get a shout out. This has been like a year and a half, though. No one has come forward with the videos. There's been no actual proof of anybody that actually created these videos. And as big as this whole thing has been with you and MS370, all your research and all this shit, no one has come forward and said, hey, here's the source files. Here's how I created it. Here's the actual videos. Let me show you on screen record how I created these. No one has done that. There has been people try to.

recreate these videos that looks just dumb that, you know, a lot of people can do. And especially now with AI going forward, one thing I will say, Ashton, is likely going forward, there are going to be people that are going to be able to take these videos into certain platforms or softwares, and they're going to have various files that they may be able to produce to show now all of a sudden, oh, look, I created these.

That's what I'm saying. Sorry, too late though. The video is already improving real. And it's like, it's also a situation where like we were at the tip of the spear like a year ago. Now we're already like past the goal line, a hundred yards down, honestly, like, and I'm not going to stop either. I'm not waiting for everybody to catch up. The videos are already been proven real to, you know, cope with it. However long you need to, they're never going away. They're always going to be real. I always were real. Um,

And now it's just a matter of like pushing onto the science and what the science shows and figuring out how to literally create a teleportation protocol and mimic that teleportation protocol and understand what the orbs are. And that's what I want to talk for the rest of the stream about is, you know, what the science is and where they've been hiding it. But before I do that, let me just tell people what happened to the plane.

Why is this all happening? What was going on here? Because once the Gorgon Stare reveal happened, everything pretty much slid into place. So it was a counter espionage operation that China was trying to steal those engineers, those scientists. We let it happen because we set up this operation. The CIA did set this operation up to basically have that battery fire go off at the exact right moment, initiated the operation.

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And instead of it landing, the CIA is the one that would have run this operation, same as a lot of other operations that did under Obama. It would have been with JSOC and probably SOCOM would have been involved as well. So these are special forces. They were recording that with both drones and the drones were probably already in position because that drone was overhead. And that would have been the rendezvous point. And they broke out the orbs. They broke out the orbs to send a message to China.

It's possible they thought they might have saved some of the people, including the engineers. But overall, I think they were all considered to be just collateral damage at that point. In fact, where the plane goes is definitely, definitely teleportation is what's happening there. But it is a closed loop teleportation protocol. They have figured out that nature may not allow retrocausality, aka reverse time travel. Like nature just has maybe the double slit experiment with the wave function breaking down is how nature prevents teleportation.

But what they figured out is they can set up the system in such a way where they can get instant transmission, instant teleportation, not retrocausality, but still teleportation. And that's what they're doing. And they may not even care the outcome of that. That may not even be a matter of making it show up on the other side in one piece. They may just not even give a shit about that. We're just going to do this and see what happens. Because they're also getting evidence too about how the teleportation protocol works on large scale objects.

which it may not be a test, but it's serving as a warning to our adversaries about what we're capable of. And it's also giving us valuable information about how to advance that technology even further. And then the videos, they did not want those videos leaked on the internet. No question. It was Edward Lin. I was right about Edward Lin. Edward Lin though was not on the operation. Nobody on that operation is ever going to leak those videos there. You never put somebody that you don't trust on an operation like that.

But he was on the VPU2 Wizards, and I've spoken to a source that was working with him. They had some overlap with him. But didn't he go to jail for that? Or he went to jail? No question, no doubt, he would have had access to that footage is what they told me. And that I said, even something that's like a JSOC, like super secret operations, said, yep, 100%. And this is not even public knowledge, I don't think, which is that they told me...

When he got caught with those flight manifests in like May of 2014, which is two months after the plane disappeared, he had flash drives on him. He had flash drives on him as well. So this would imply that the data came out of a SCIF, which is a secure facility, and

And that means that all the desktops would have had their USB ports like disabled because in those skiffs, because they know about the security risk. He brought a laptop in with him. He had a laptop that did not have disabled security ports. I'm almost certain that's the simplest explanation for how the information got out. And so you and you, you did go through the rabbit hole with his whole family. And then when you went into all of that, there was a lot of stuff that came out of that.

Yeah, he was the person my source even told me he was considered a prodigy within there. He was considered a prodigy. And that was crazy because I went, that's exactly what I've been saying is that he clearly had preferential treatment. He was, if you look at his career path, he was the congressional liaison to the Navy. So he was privy to the black program portfolio. So he was considered very privileged and they knew that as well. So, um,

I think that what happened was he wasn't even, he might've been on the search operation for MH370, but I think that his Taiwanese contact got in touch with him and said, this plane disappeared. Like you, I know you have access. Can you figure out what happened?

And he went and logged into the system. Boom, finds it. Right. And he freaks out. Why would he freak out? He might have thought it was aliens, but I think more likely he knew that it was us. And he knew that we were covering it up. He knew we were covering it up. And so and he didn't know the full context. He didn't know that it was a China operation. Without that China operation context, you just think that we targeted a civilian airliner for no reason. If we targeted this airliner for no reason, that's an evil act.

And so he recorded the data just like you would. I'm going to go to CNN with it, sent it to his dude in Taiwan or tried to leave the country with it because he freaks out. This is an absolute fact, by the way. He had orders to go to somewhere in the United States and he was flying to Taiwan.

He was getting on an airplane in Taiwan. That's when they picked him up in May. So you look at that story, you go, oh, shit. He wasn't going to China. He was going to Taiwan. He was going to our ally. Why? Because he just found the craziest shit ever on the internet that shows absolutely the United States is doing, he thought, illegal. I still think illegal operation. Right.

and he was trying to be a whistleblower and then he gets caught up in it and they tell him no we didn't target it for no reason that was like a message to china and what you just did is not only give china that but you just exposed everything and and also exposed our surveillance capabilities too because that's gorgon stare and that was state-of-the-art brand new that gorgon stare increment too that we were looking at so he did a huge amount of damage and this is why he triggered

a national security alert to the highest levels, the Pentagon, the highest levels. And this is why it wasn't really a spy case, though, is that he did something horrible, but it wasn't necessarily unforgivable. And that's why he got out. And the last thing is, nobody knew what he did. Nobody knew. That's why they didn't kill him. Nobody had any idea that he was the guy that leaked those videos, just me, just me. And now that I've been exposing this, this is why he changed his name.

Because previously people just thought he went to jail for some prostitutes or something, right? That's what they were. Even my source told me he thought it was like about prostitutes. I go, just think about that, man. I go, just think about that. Do you really think that a security alert is going to go to the Joint Chiefs of Staff because some guy was talking to a prostitute? Nobody cares. Nobody's going to believe a prostitute no matter what she says. It had to be physical evidence. And that's when he was like, well, yeah, he got caught with flash drives. And I'm like, dude, dude.

It was MH370. It's not some prostitute bed talk. Yeah. And his family was involved as well, too, right? Yeah.

Like there you went down rabbit holes with his whole family. It's just it's nothing but rabbit holes. His sister, Jenny Lynn Naylor, is a lawyer for Homeland Security specializing in weapons of mass destruction, countering weapons of mass destruction. She has a paper about next generation super weapons beyond nukes, which, by the way, are real weapons.

And she's married to Sean Naylor, who's a mainstream media national security consultant. Which, by the way, anyone who's a national security consultant just says spook on their name. Anybody who's national security is just with the government. They're just spooks. They're just being paid indirectly. And she's married to him. He was on Danny Jones. What? What?

He was on Danny Jones and he's talking about, get this, this is the topic. Again, I'm not making this up. I wish I could make this up. He's saying how the CIA justifies extrajudicial killings.

What? Literally the topic of how they would justify what they did to the plane. Because how do you really justify that? The answer is, by the way, I looked into that too. There was CIA spooks that were blowing the whistle on what Obama was doing because they were bombing people indiscriminately and killing like 90% or more innocent people. And they were justifying it. Yeah, I remember that. And who was helping justify it? Avril Hines. Yeah, we did a podcast about that. Avril Hines was the DNI just recently under Biden.

I have multiple sources and other people are now saying it too. She was the one doing the UFO coverup. She was the one orchestrated the whole coverup under Biden to keep it on all this stuff under wraps. That is so crazy. Well, listen, and she's the one justifying the extraditional killings under Obama. Maybe even gave like the, the like justification for what we did to MH three seven zero.

Well, the last thing I want to talk about is obviously we have a lot of audience and Ashton, all of that shit is crazy. And I'm glad I'm glad we've brought you on again because there's so much. And there's so many rabbit holes that you can go dive in. And Ashton's been down every rabbit hole there is. Yeah, for sure. But what do you say to the people that look at you as the guy that is that is screwing up their life?

their mindset on UFOs. Do you still believe that UFOs are real? I mean, or do you think that everything we are seeing in our skies is advanced technology? Well, I think it's all advanced technology for sure. A UFO just means unidentified flying object. Right. And I think we have to go back to that because that's really what it is. We don't, we don't know. I think the people that are out there that are saying, we don't know what that is. Therefore it's alien, right? It's not us. Those people are the ones that have no clue. Those are the most in the dark.

Is that, you know, we have technology way, way beyond what the public is currently aware of at the moment. And that's the big problem about it. Now, does that mean that flying saucers and aliens aren't real? No, that's absolutely nothing. In fact, I shouldn't be threatening those people at all. All this can be real and all the alien stuff can be real, too. That's why I joke about we're going to have all the aliens. We're going to have the best aliens because, yeah, basically what I'm saying, if I'm right, everything is possible.

That means every kind of alien you could imagine exists out there somewhere. Right. In fact, I think what it means is that it's actually just going to get a lot more dark than what people were expecting. I got a good question for you, Ashton. Think about this for a second.

If what you're saying is true, which I believe that we do have advanced technology like these orbs, and then also say that the UFO thing is real, who wins that? Like, like, let's just say, for example, that we have UFOs that actually have this at this technology. Maybe we have reverse engineered some of the crash craft or whatever it is. So say that Jeremy Corbell and some of these people are right. And you're right. Say that both of you are right.

Who wins in a situation to where we have humans and I say humans because we don't know what the hell these things may be that are actually flying these craft and they could be interdimensional beings. They could be the watchers from the book of Enoch. They could be any of these things, which are kind of like gods, right?

But who would win that? And especially when it seems like if you think about the concept of human beings now have advanced technology, if you go back to the story of Atlantis, you go back to the story of Tartaria, you go back to the story of many of these advanced civilizations. And if the people are correct,

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Like who wins this battle? Who wins the battle? Because it may come down to a battle between the gods or whoever it is that have these craft. Let's just say, and then humans now that have capabilities to do very crazy shit too.

Yeah, we do cool things, but we have no chance. I mean, the conclusion that I've been coming to from this, going down the logical conclusion of the technology is that biological beings are obsolete. We've probably been obsolete for a long, long, long, long time. And that's so scary. Yeah, I mean, and then it gets even weirder. Like if I'm starting to get really weird with it, I would say, why are we building all these quantum computers? Yeah.

What are all these quantum computers we're building doing? What are we even using them for? Are we just building a super intelligence? Do we even know what we're doing? I don't think so. Are we building a super intelligence without even realizing it?

And if so, are we just being directed by it? Do you think Trump realizes what we're doing when we're using AI and all these computers and things that are going advanced? Like, I don't think he realizes the implications. Yeah. Of what can happen. Maybe there's no stopping it. Maybe there's no stopping it. And that's, that's the big thing for me is that you, I think we're going to, we are in our lifetimes hitting the tech singularity and the AI singularity where it's going to achieve consciousness. It,

The military government AI may have already done this long ago. And the moment it hits that, it becomes completely unstoppable because time doesn't isn't perceived at the same rate for the AI as it is for people. Right. So it can theoretically evolve infinitely faster than we can.

And it just, the only limitations of AI is going to be energy consumption. And what have I been saying? There's free energy everywhere. We don't even need the sun. So the AI is going to become unstoppable practically instantly, which means it probably already did become unstoppable long ago. In fact, it probably means we're in a simulation if you really boil it down. And the other thing is the medium, the medium. Where's consciousness coming from? Why are we even alive to begin with?

Are we just biological robots ourselves? And if our consciousness is not in our bodies, what if our consciousness is just we're an antenna? We're an antenna to our consciousness. Then that consciousness is probably in that zero point energy, that same zero point energy all around us all the time that gives causes gravity, mass, inertia, whatever.

that we can use the tunnel through space-time, that's probably what gives us consciousness as well. That's probably where consciousness is coming from. So if that's the case, then why can't a ball of plasma that

That's coherent. Be conscious. Why can't an A.I. be conscious if that A.I. has a constant connection to that energy as well? And maybe that's what the quantum computers are doing. Maybe that quantum computers are the same thing that's in our head. Maybe we just have a quantum computer in our brain. And that's what's really scary when we have A.I. that's not in a body or a shell that is doing these things, you know.

There is no turn back from this. And there's massive influence. I think I want to be on that side. When the war happens, I'll be on the side of the people who have no bodies and no biological limitations. Seriously, they will. It's weird, man. This whole talk is weird. And especially if you look back in ancient civilizations, if you believe any of that stuff.

It seems like that we have always destroyed ourselves. And it seems like maybe to what you are saying now with our technology, that maybe we have the I guess you can say the ability to replicate and also, you know, kind of suss out and actually put out there in the in the sphere of

This is when this is when we may destroy ourselves. I think there are many people that make a good argument. Randall Carlson, all these people that say lost civilizations, lost civilizations killed themselves. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, and I think it's going to happen. Once you hit the singularity, that's the big thing I'm telling people. We can make a black hole super weapon. When you see the MH370, we already scaled this up. We apparently scaled up quantum teleportation to the size of a Boeing 777 already. It's not really that big of a logical stretch to think that we could scale it up to the planet size. Now our whole planet gets teleported into the sun or something, right? Game over. So yeah, I think that's the scary part is probably game over on that.

Now, on the plus side, the technology is incredible. The orb technology, this all goes back to the Air Force Research Labs papers in the early 2000s. Eric Davis's teleportation physics study, ball lightning study. Frank Mead, he was the program manager for all of Eric Davis's Air Force papers. So clearly what happened is these guys all got put together. Hal Putoff's probably the one to help put them all together.

And they figured out how to make these plasma orbs, which are all just based on hypersonic Russian aircraft designs. It's just an engine, though. They just figured out to turn it into a drone way before we had drone technology. And so they figured, oh, we can just turn this engine into a drone. And these hypersonic engines, like they were already seeing these weird things in hypersonic flight because they were creating a plasma sheath in front of them.

And you guys probably heard on my other podcast, I put together the concept of, oh, they took the plasma sheath and they just figured out how to turn it into an orb. Actually, it's more complicated than that. It's actually a real engine inside there that's shooting a laser beam forward, zapping the air. And they found this endothermic upstream process. They can pull energy upstream as opposed to like propulsive where we shoot the energy out behind us. So you're talking about the actual orbs have these things. Yeah.

Yeah, and so they use magnetohydrodynamics, which is just magnetism, to control the plasma and keep it coherent in this bubble, basically, which is why it looks like this large, what they call Bose-Einstein condensate. It's basically just a fancy word for quantum coherent object.

flying around. And it also has this laser in it. It has a communication system in it because it's got to be able to communicate. It's got an AI navigation system. That's how they're able to fly around even better than what Elon Musk has right now. So those things are super, super amazing. And the coolest part

Is that it's barely spinning around the plane and then it's able to quantum entangle to some other location, just like Bob Lazar was saying in the 90s. Yeah. Yeah. Is that it's like pulling like the three, remember he says like the three gravity generators. Right. That's basically, I mean, it's kind of a crude description, but that's basically what the orbs are doing. They're little gravity generators and they come together and the point between them is the magnetic null zone. Right.

So they're just like three magnets or double magnets. And there's a zero point between them. That's the safe zone. And that's where the plane is. And so when they come together like that, it causes this actually is quantum decoherence, where if you think of the double slit experiment, where the wave function collapses, this is exactly the same thing, but their system reproduces the wave function instead of collapsing the wave function.

So what they do is they create this optical kind of trap system that confuses the universe into not knowing where the plane is. And then for a brief moment when the orbs converge, all the zero point energy gets pushed away and the plane is in true nothingness outside of space and time. It only has to be for a microsecond, a fraction of a second, but that's long enough.

And then the universe is decoherent. And now the universe has to figure out where the planes are going to be. Yeah. And so where is it going to be? Wherever the beacon is, wherever the fourth orb is. Yeah. And that's what's still crazy to me. Like, I don't understand where the plane went. Yeah. Well, hold on. Before we get into that, or I want to point this out, too, is you had a post action and

Fly Ether, by the way, who is that that does these clips of your videos? Because they do a great job of kind of clipping a lot of your stuff. He does a great job. Shout out to him. And yeah, I'm actually considering trying to bring him in like actually officially. And that is that is at fly a e t h e r three three. Fly underscore ether, I think. But you can find him fly ether. And I retweeted a lot of his stuff out there. But several people volunteered and wanted to be involved.

in the editing and video processing. So brought several of them in on a volunteer basis. And yeah, some of them have already gotten so good just over the past couple months. It's incredible. No, it's great. I even watched those clips. I'm like, damn, those clips are good. No, so this clip right here, he takes something from you. And this last thing, we're not going to be on here forever, but

He talks about that everything is waves. And this is something you had said on one of your shows. And I want to end this with this because we've talked about a lot of this, whether it be interdimensional reality, spirituality, you name it. But you had a good point on this. And I want people to hear this. Listen.

Everything radiates at a unique energy signature. So this is a nod to Tesla, right? Energy, frequency, and waves. That's what Tesla said. And so what we've realized when you consider this idea of the ether is that you realize everything really is waves. And so therefore, we can have these interactions, these wave-like interactions, perturbating through this ether into different points in our space and time.

And here we are, the granddaddy of all quantum weirdness, the infamous double-slip experiment. To understand this experiment, we first need to see how particles, or little balls of matter, act. If we randomly shoot a small object, say a marble, at the screen, we see a pattern on the back wall where they went through the slit and hit. Now, if we add a second slit, we would expect to see a second band duplicated to the right.

Now, let's look at waves. The waves hit the slit and radiate out, striking the back wall with the most intensity directly in line with the slit. The line of brightness on the back screen shows that intensity. This is similar to the line the marbles make. Okay, so you guys understand wave patterns, right? Wave pattern on the wall versus if you were to shoot particles at the wall. You're going to get two different patterns. Okay, now let's get to the fun part. Something different happens.

If the top of one wave meets the bottom of another wave, they cancel each other out. Interference. So now, there is an interference pattern on the back wall. Places where the two tops meet are the highest intensity, the bright lines, and where they cancel, there is nothing. So, when we throw things, that is, matter, through two slits, we get this. Two bands of hits. And with waves, we get an interference pattern of many bands. Good so far. Now,

Let's go quantum. An electron is a tiny, tiny bit of matter, like a tiny marble. Okay, so we're going to shoot electrons now through our slits, and we're going to see what happens. Spoiler alert, we're going to end up getting a wave pattern. We should get, like the marbles, two bands. What? An interference pattern.

We fired. All right. Can you just explain this, Ashton? Because this without the video is harder for people to understand. Double slit experiment. Because I'm like looking at Chad, like, why are you playing that video? No, I don't understand. Well, if you shoot an electron, if you were to shoot one electron, if everything is a particle, then I want to take one electron and I'm going to shoot that at two slits.

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you're gonna say okay well which slit is it gonna go through is it gonna go through the left slit or is it gonna go to the right slit well we test we put an experiment on and we shoot these electrons one at a time and then we have a detector on the back a wall and we say okay what's the pattern on the wall is there going to be two slits there should be two slits right because it's going to go through either the left slit or the right slit and so on the wall i expect there to be two slits there but there's one that's not what happens with the electron when you do that you get a wave pattern but the only way that's possible

is if the electron is going through both slits at the same time and interfering with itself. Or the simpler answer is the electron is not a particle at all. And what you're seeing is just a wave.

So Tesla was right. Everything is energy, frequency, and vibration. We're seeing electrons are waves that are traveling through the slits. That's why when it hits both slits, it creates a wave pattern. But then the question is, this is the real mystery of the double slit experiment. And this is absolutely true and proven. You can repeat this at even high school science labs, is that if you try to look

If you try to set up a measurement device, not even with your eye, just a computer measurement device, to try to figure out which of the two slits the electron's going through, the pattern, the wave function changes. The pattern changes just by setting up the detector. The pattern becomes two slits. It begins to act as though it's a particle again. And we call this wave-particle duality.

But that's not what's happening. It was never a particle. There are no particles. Well, there may be particles, but electrons aren't them. The answer is coherence. What we're seeing is either coherent or decoherent. When something is coherent, we consider it to be particle-like, point-like. When something is decoherent, we consider it to be non-deterministic, probabilistic, over here or over here.

And it turns out when you look at quantum systems, how do they refer to them? They refer to them as coherent or decoherent. So if you connect this back to the idea of the ether, this medium that we're in, then what you realize is what's happening all the time is there are perturbations in this medium and we're interacting with this medium. And so quantum entanglement is us just throwing a stone at

Into the ocean, into the water and created seeing the ripple effect happen. We're seeing that we just don't see it with our eyes because we're not our senses don't detect that extra dimension, but it's there. And this same phenomenon explains quantum tunneling. If you take a semiconductor or superconductor and you put up a wall and insulator and then have another semiconductor, somehow some of those electrons get through the wall.

How are they getting through the wall? Well, the answer is they aren't. What's happening is the medium is being disturbed. Therefore, some bit of that medium ripples through the wall. That's the answer. And so then how is teleportation possible? How did they teleport that plane? Because the answer to the double slit experiment is it's a transactional exchange.

It's not a retrocausal situation that's happening. It's not real. The Copenhagen interpretation is not correct. What's happening is the universe itself is looking at the exchange of information that's trying to happen here, and it's correcting for it. So the way it would be described by John Kramer is you would have this negative energy time reversed wave. So you have to think about it as transactional. I'm asking the universe for this, and the universe is responding to

With this alternate with this answer. And and if you look at it from that perspective, it actually answers all the questions of all the various double slit experiments that have been out there. And there are dozens of variants, including the delayed choice quantum eraser. And here's the big profound thing for you guys. This is something that will really keep you guys up or excite you.

is that some of the smartest minds in the field, John Archibald Wheeler, Richard Feynman, they thought there's going to be no way retrocausality will be possible. It won't be possible to go back in time. They believe that the universe, nature itself, would prevent it. And so maybe that wave function collapsing is the thing that prevents us from going back in time. Because if you try, you become coherent. And when you become coherent, boom, now you can't teleport anymore.

And then sorry, I lost my train of thought. Whatever. So, yeah. Anyway, so. And by the way, how does this how does this double slit experiment, how does it affect our lives? Is there any way that we interact with this on a daily basis?

Oh, yeah. We're interacting with it all the time. So what's happening then is that we are creating these ripples in the medium. And what they figured out is they figured out how to control that ripple to the point where they can yank something from one location and make it reappear somewhere else. So if you imagine Minkowski spacetime, a flat spacetime that Einstein would say is just a piece of paper.

Then what they're able to do is like take your hand, your other hand, and put it on the paper in like an L shape. And they can connect any two points on the flat spacetime anytime they want. So what this means is that all points in spacetime are connected, just like Ben Rich was telling people, the Lockheed Skunk Works guy. So what they figured out here is they can manipulate this quantum principle here.

to cause what we considered a low energy phase transition, which is a transactional exchange with the medium where you're saying, hey, I want this plane to be over here. Or like I explained earlier, confusing the universe into not knowing where the plane should physically be anymore. I mean, to me, that's essentially like hacking into the code. So does it impact us? Yes, it impacts every single aspect of our lives and our technology, but

One thing that would be possible from this is unhackable communications, quantum communications. But also you could control a rover from Mars from on Earth on Mars. So that's crazy from here in real time with a video screen with no lag whatsoever. That's crazy. And Ashton, I got to ask you. Last thing I'm going to ask you.

And this sounds stupid, but maybe but maybe not. I have my reveal, too. So forget that. But maybe but maybe not. What do you think about Wi-Fi? The signals that are through our air that reach this computer. Like what the hell is that? Like, how does that happen? How is information being spread to a physical device through the air in a Wi-Fi signal or a cell phone signal?

That's the signal we cannot see whatsoever, but we know it is actually giving us a product or a, you know, for example, you're on video right now. We're projecting this message out, you know, to the world. But how we're able to do that is through Wi-Fi. I know that sounds weird, but a lot of people are probably thinking, like, how does Wi-Fi even work?

Yeah, well, that's just a classic electromagnetic wave. So we are familiar with classic electromagnetic waves and we have no problem with that. The issue of the ether and a longitudinal wave or scalar wave is that it has no electromagnetic component. There is no transverse wobbly wave. So then the question is people, classical physicists say, well, it's not real then. It's not real. Well, yes, but it's the effects are still real. There's still these potentials.

The potential is the ripple in the medium. The potential is the airplane just vanishing out of the sky without impacting the clouds or anything around it. Like as if it was just edited straight out, as if it flew right through a mirror. That's the potential. And those experiments are proven. The Ehrenhoff-Bohm effect proves these potentials are real. There is no question about it. The Casimir effect proves the zero point energy is real.

Just like I've been saying all along, the issue of all of this isn't a matter of anybody discovering the new physics. The physics has been out there. It's just been a matter of us accepting the experimental results and the model that fits with those experimental results. Yeah, for sure. Sherry, what did you have? Okay, Ashton, I don't know, and I'm not even sure about your personal life, but...

This is my findings and this is what I want to do. Oh, goodness. Finding quantum love with Ashton Forbes, a bachelor of science. Oh, shit. Here we go. Finding love with Ashton Forbes. Is that a new TV show we're doing? Yes. Do we even know that Ashton has a girlfriend or not? We're going to suss out the girls and we're going to put you on some dates. First of all, do you have a girlfriend, Ashton, or no?

Well, let's just keep that private. But yeah, let's, you know, we can talk about this and make this happen. But do you not love that?

Oh, God. No, I mean, let's get some honeypots, you know, some honeypots in this situation. We can we can honeypot the honeypots. This is all about right. Let's get those Russian honeypots, Chinese honeypots. Yes. Finding quantum love. Finding quantum love with all equal opportunity lover. So so if you guys are interested in my show, my God, finding quantum love with Ashton Forbes.

The Bachelor of Science. Oh, that's funny. You better come to my inbox because I'm going to suss you out and I'm going to find the perfect girl for Ashton. That would be an amazing show. Oh, I would actually do it. You know, I mean, I should have started an OnlyFans, honestly. I found out there are people interested in sapiosexuals. I found out it's a word. I don't know what that meant. So I could have been making big money. I could be the, you know, the big brain male, you know, sapiosexual OnlyFans guy. Yeah.

You guys can see Ashton Forbes orbs for only $10.99 a month. Yeah. Well, if you guys are interested in Ashton Forbes and you think you could be a potential partner of Ashton Forbes. Yeah, send us an email. Send me an email because I am serious. Quantum of love. Yeah, it's called Ashton Forbes.

InvestigateEarthPodcast at ProtonMail.com. Send us an email. By the way, we have a lot of very beautiful women that listen to our podcast. And shout out to you girls out there. We have so many beautiful women that listen. And we have a lot of awesome dudes to listen to. I mean, we've got a lot of good dudes. But Ashton is not good. He likes girls. I don't think Ashton likes guys. No. He likes girls. Let's stick with the girls. All right. I wear the freshest clothes and hang out with the hottest dudes. Yeah.

Okay. No, this sounds fun. Let's do that. Yeah, ladies. There's no way this can backfire. I can't wait. No way. Yeah, there's absolutely no way.

Unless you are Emmanuel McCrone's wife. And then that could backfire. Yeah, because you might get slapped in the face. And you might be a dude. But either way. But guys, listen, we're going to end it here. Ashton, I want to thank you again for coming on the show. You are going to be at not it was. Yeah. Cosmic Summit, right? That's in Greensboro. Yeah. You're going to be speaking there, right?

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Yeah. Yeah. So if anybody wants to. Yeah, I don't know if there are tickets still available. Is Cosmic Summit? I think there are. You guys, I am not kidding you about this. I am going to match make Ashton. Yeah, we're going to do it. We're going to do it for sure. It'll be fun. You guys. Nobody's doubting. Nobody's doubting you, Sherry. I would never doubt you. No, it'll be fun. But guys, go follow just X Ashton on X. I mean, we had a lot more to play. He has an amazing timeline. If you want to go see.

crazy stuff and everything. He's kind of getting into it with the UFO community and the mainstream media community. You're kind of, you're kind of like a target right now because you know, you are over the target. And so they're like, Hey, we got to destroy Ashton. That's what we got to do today. And so Ashton's always trying to kind of defend himself, but also he is presenting the evidence, presenting the facts that,

And man, that's why we love you so much. We always love you. And by the way, earlier you said, there's not many people I can trust, but I hope that you can trust us because we always have your back and we always will. And, uh, you're a hundred percent. Yes. A hundred percent. Yeah. That's why I'm going to fix you up, Ashton. Absolutely.

All right, guys. Ashton, do you have anything that's coming out besides just X Ashton on X and then obviously the Cosmic Summit? But is there anything else that you want to promote or put out there? Yeah, I'm going to be on Tim Pool in a few weeks again, bringing Dr. Yu from NASA with me. Become friends with him after my interview on Hard Truths. Definitely recommend checking that out. I'm a big fan of Yuan Theory.

And I think that's going to be controversial. We're going to probably challenge all conventional physics ideas. So check it out. For sure. Awesome. Well, thanks, guys. That's going to do it for this episode of Investigator's Podcast. It's always good to hear Ashton Forbes. We're going to play it out with the wedding dress. I know this has nothing to do at all with what we've talked about whatsoever, but we're going to play it out with the wedding dress.

Guys, until next time. It has to do with what I'm going to do. Hey, maybe that's true. Maybe that's true. Yeah, Ashton's going to be, well, not Ashton, but his girl might be in a wedding dress in a few months. We'll see. We'll see. All right, guys. Until next time, we love you. Peace out. Peace out. Peace out.

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