Grand Canyon Forbidden Zone Breakdown | GE Kincaid and Giants
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Hello and welcome to Investigator Earth Podcast. I'm your host Chad alongside my beautiful wife Sherry. On tonight's episode, we're talking about the Grand Canyon. But we're specifically talking about the places in the Grand Canyon you are just not allowed to go. Not because it's unsafe, not because it's fallen rocks or wildlife. Those areas are off limits for reasons no rangers will explain. Entire sections are sealed off, scrubbed from the public maps, guarded like secrets. And maybe that's because they are actually secrets.

Stories passed down by local tribes speak of giants, actual giants who once roamed these cliffs.

Early explorers claim to find chambers cut deep into the canyon walls filled with artifacts that don't belong to any known civilization. Some even say the Smithsonian quietly stepped in to make those discoveries disappeared. So what's really hiding behind the restricted zones? A safety precaution or we cover up centuries in the making? Tonight, we're going there. Guys, welcome to the show. It is June the 1st, 2025.

It is warm. And although it's been perfect spring for us here in South Carolina. Totally perfect. It has not been too hot at all. It's just nice and breezy. Yes. But not too cool and not too hot. It's perfect. I absolutely agree. The name of this song is Still Got Time by Flux Vortex. I know everybody always asks us what music we play. That is the song.

and it was actually Ross that wanted us to do this episode. And I think that we should have dove a little deeper into the Grand Canyon on our Giants episode. And if you guys have not heard our Giants episode, I do encourage you guys to go back and listen to that because on that episode, we talked about Giants territory

And these account of giants around the world. And we're talking about for centuries and centuries, thousands of years. There have been people that live on this earth, human beings that have encountered giants. We're talking about Indian tribes, the Aztecs, Romans, you name it. Seems like all factions of people at one point in time, especially thousands of years ago, came across giants. And it wasn't just thousands of years ago.

There were reports of giants as early as the 1800s and maybe even the early 1900s. And so the Grand Canyon is in particularly very peculiar because this is one of the biggest national parks in the entirety of the United States. And yes, you can go to the Grand Canyon. You can do certain things in the Grand Canyon. You can even get helicopter rides. They have the pink Jeep tours at the Grand Canyon. They have all of these things you can do at the Grand Canyon. But again,

That is as long as you only do not go to these certain regions in the Grand Canyon. And that includes if you even try to go down the Colorado River on a boat or something like that and try to get off on some of these areas to where they are forbidden, they are restricted areas.

almost like top secret areas, there will be helicopters that show up. You will likely be arrested and everything's going to go to hell for you. It's just crazy. When you go to the Grand Canyon, there's a special area where people can go and look at the Grand Canyon and, you know, view it. But it's only a specific area. Much of the Grand Canyon is restricted by humans. You are not allowed to go there. And it's also crazy to me when you're talking about giants, like,

And just a weird stuff, even like maybe even Egyptian things or things that look Egyptian. You think about that would be in a different country. But right here in North America, specifically in America, we have these things. We have giant bones. We have stuff in the Grand Canyon that you would never believe that would be in America. Yeah.

Yeah. And not only that, I mean, these artifacts, there are some artifacts that we don't even know of maybe that type of people that would have had these artifacts. But according to some explorers, there were actually ancient Egyptian artifacts in the Grand Canyon in some of these massive caves. And so that's all to be talked about tonight on this show. We're talking about G.E. Kincaid that went there. We had referenced him earlier.

a while back on our giant episode. And you guys have to go back and listen to that because we explain it, like I said, around the world. But I do want to say before we get into that, I want to mention something real quick for we have done episodes with Nick Duncan, which is running right now for Spartanburg County Sheriff. Want to give a very, very quick update. Well, the sheriff, which is Sheriff Chuck Wright, has stepped down as sheriff in Spartanburg County. We did a couple of episodes with Nick and his wife, Brittany.

and Nick is running for sheriff. And I know we have a lot of listeners that are in Spartanburg County or in South Carolina or around this area. So I wanted to mention if you guys want to donate to Nick Duncan's campaign, you can go do that at Nick Duncan for sheriff.com. That is where you guys can go donate to him and,

we'll likely be bringing Nick back on before the election. There is a special election coming up and I think it kind of all wraps up in November. Um, there's registration, there's all of these things, runoffs, you name it. Um, and then also we're going to be with Nick, I think this week, I think it's this Thursday where we're going to be video and uncovering a kind of meet and greet town hall in Spartanburg. And so we're going to video all of that for guys that want to, or for you guys out there that want to watch that and kind of see, um, what Nick has,

has to say or what people are asking him in Spartanburg County, we'll make sure that we video that, put it up. It'll likely go on nickduncanversheriff.com and then also all of his social media. So make sure you keep an eye out for that. Just wanted to make sure everybody knew that. I know we have had emails and messages saying, hey, how can we support Nick? That is how you can do it. Yeah, and you can support him even if you don't live in Spartanburg County. You can just go to the website and push the W.

Yeah, because I think I encourage you guys to do that because really you have to get rid of corruption. You know, everyone has corruption and we've got to help each other out. Yeah, I think Nick really kind of put his neck on the line, especially exposing a lot of stuff that happened in Spartanburg County. This is someone I think Spartanburg County needs. I think that Nick is someone that every county needs.

And it doesn't just matter if it's Spartanburg County. So if you do feel the need that you want to help him, there is. I mean, I think he has to just to register a sheriff. And this is prorated, by the way, is six thousand dollars just to register to be able to run as sheriff. Yeah. I mean, that is so expensive. It is. It's crazy. But I do think Nick's going to do a lot of good stuff with Spartanburg County. I think that Nick will win. And the only reason I think that is because he does have.

I think the most expertise, I think he is the most out there and kind of down to earth candidate that Spartanburg County has. I mean, and I've kind of researched some of these other guys and I'm not saying they're bad people, but I do know that, you know, just from our relationship and especially you guys that listen to us and have listened to us for years, um,

It's like we know good people. We know corrupt politicians or corrupt whoever when we see them. That is literally our job on this podcast is to call those people out. And so we have grown pretty close to Nick and Brittany and kind of just got to know who they are as people. So I do encourage anybody, even if you don't live in South Carolina, if you want to donate, NickDuncanForSheriff.com is the best place you can do that.

And we do hope that Nick wins this race coming up in November. And we will be helping Nick as any way we can video wise. We'll probably a lot of video you'll see hopefully will be from us. And we're going to do our very best job to tell the story. That's going to be on the best way we can. Not me. No, I think I think it'll be good. But so, guys, let's get into this topic. Now, we've had some messages, Sherry, over the

I don't know, probably the past three or four months. And there's not been a lot. Actually, most people want to hear our take on the book of Enoch or they want to hear our take on the giants and the Nephilim and all this stuff. And there are some people that are kind of sensitive, right? When it comes to biblical text or just text in general, anything that has to do with God or a connection to God or something like that. People are like, look, I don't want to hear that shit. I am here for conspiracies only or.

mysteries, but I don't want to hear anything religion wise. And first of all, I don't think the book of Enoch is necessarily religious. I mean, I guess it is, but the reality is that book of Enoch and some of our historical texts, like the Bible, for example, they do point to these things. So when we're talking about giants in the grand Canyon or these, uh,

that have seen or witnessed giants over the years. We're talking about over thousands of years. This has been written for thousands of years. This should not actually be a surprise to us, but more in particular, the fact that we have this national park, which is the Grand Canyon. We have this amazing, um,

mass in North America. And yet you can only access a certain part of that area. And there are specific parts of the Grand Canyon. You are not allowed to get anywhere near, including with helicopter or airplane, because if you are, the FAA will have your ass a new one. As soon as you get back to whatever airport you're at. We've had a few instances where pilots have, uh,

broke the barrier down below where the actual canyon walls are. And as soon as they got up from those canyon walls, whatever ATC that they were talking to or in that vicinity would say, hey, call this number immediately. As soon as you get on the ground and you need to get to the nearest place. Some pilots have said they've got their ass chewed. They've got threatened to have their license taken. All of this stuff, all that is technically not a threat.

A no-go zone in this particular area, except for certain... There are areas where there's no-fly zones. Yeah, there are. And that's what's crazy. And to your point about the religion and the God thing, hey, guys, I'm right there with you. I'm like, Chad, I don't want to get too religious on this podcast because that's not the type of person I am. For those of you who know me, I am not about religion. I'm about spirituality. But I do enjoy going down those rabbit holes of Enoch because I think...

It is not only I don't think it's so much religion, but it is history. And especially when you start talking about ancient civilizations, you cannot talk about them without bringing up the Watchers or Nephilim, fallen angels or the Book of Enoch. It's impossible because it comes up in every part of it. Also talking about the no fly zones.

There's been some explorers that have tried to go on boat down there and explore. And as soon as they get into restricted areas, they will see helicopters that are not civilian. They're not normal, but they are Apache helicopters that are coming down out of nowhere where they're not even supposed to be flying. Right.

Yeah, I mean, it could be Apache. There's also black helicopters. They say often are, you know, the and there are various types. Right. We've always heard the conspiracy. We've even done an episode on these black helicopters that kind of show up in places, especially around UFO sightings. Area 51. Yeah. UFO sightings, UAP sightings, whatever. These helicopters kind of just show up out of nowhere. And so many people have talked about these for years. And it always seems like these things.

Particular helicopters show up in places where there are mass UFO sightings, UIP sightings. This has happened off the coast of California multiple times. And although we don't for sure know what the actual source of these helicopters are, I'm sure there is some type of

government agency or government contract agency that has these things to make sure that, Hey, whatever their secrets they're trying to hide is they want to make sure that they have eyes on targets at all times. Anybody that's going to get near these restricted areas, they are going to be arrested. And who knows what happens maybe with some of these people. We also have to remember that in these regions of the Southwest and especially near the grand Canyon out there in Arizona, Utah, Nevada, uh,

There are people out there that disappear all the time. There is a, there is a guy and I cannot even remember his name right now. Actually, I had reached out to him to do a podcast and he,

I'll never forget this guy's whoever, I guess his PR guy or assistant reached back and said, no offense, but like he's not going to go on just a random podcast. Like he was just an asshole. So I'm not even going to mention this guy. But he had a series to where that's all he detailed was missing people that would go hiking out in the southwest desert. They would literally disappear out of sight.

into thin air. And the weird thing about the Southwest is it's not like the Appalachian Mountains or it's not like the Colorado Rockies. There's not a lot of places to disappear, really. Well, the Grand Canyon is pretty huge. Well, of course, the Grand Canyon. But just a little mini fact, since 2018, over 1100 people have vanished. Yeah.

At the Grand Canyon. Yeah, the Grand Canyon alone. Now, are those people that fall off because they're trying to take a cool picture? Or is these just people that have disappeared? No one knows where they are. I don't know, but I don't think 1100 people have fell off a cliff taking a picture. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, I had heard 800 people, but it probably since then has probably been more. But yeah, for sure. There's definitely been a lot of people disappear. And it's not just the Grand Canyon. It is kind of that whole area. And obviously, for those that don't know, the southwest region of the United States is

is heavily prevalent with highly top secret government facilities. A lot of people think that these facilities actually are the ones that may be reverse engineering UFOs or UAPs. And, you know, for example, in the Nevada desert, you have Nellis Air Force Base. I've said this before.

But like once you get above Las Vegas in Nevada, as soon as you leave that 20 mile barrier north of Vegas, it is basically all military restricted airspace. Like the military owns most of the state of Nevada. And so you can you know, if you fly over that region, especially in like an airliner or whatever, you got to be a certain altitude. But you can look down and see craters everywhere. You can look down and see these massive mounds everywhere.

It looks like that are maybe places where they're going underground, you know, and we've talked about that before. It's like if people like Bob Lazar that said that he used to go to Area 51 to reverse engineer spacecraft, you know, I don't think necessarily that those projects are above ground anymore. They may have been in the 80s, but I think everything predominantly has been taken underground. But the interesting thing about.

about the Grand Canyon is that there are some of these massive caverns that are along these cliffside walls. Now, some of these caverns, the entry points of these places are maybe a thousand foot high. And then there are other cavern entry points that are actually on ground level near where the actual river is. Right. So some of these caverns, obviously, maybe you would not be able to even get to them today unless you had some rock climbing experience and you could climb up a thousand feet rocks face.

but there are cavern places, which are some of the restricted zones along the grand Canyon and along the river basin that do actually enter these huge, I mean, huge like, um, cave structures. And some have said they're as, as wide as a quarter of a mile long or a quarter mile wide. And, um,

We don't know besides maybe G.E. Kincaid, which we'll talk about in this article that came out in 1903 alongside a researcher or scientific explorer for the Smithsonian. Although there's been a lot of debate on was these people actually there or not. We'll get into all of that. Well, the Grand Canyon is one of the seven wonders of the world. So we have to keep that in mind. And there's a lot of other canyons around the world that.

that are even deeper than the grand Canyon. So what makes that part of the seven wonders? Could it, because there's spiritual and just weird things that go on there like people missing. But I also just wanted to mention that the grand Canyon is so massive. It's 18 miles across. That's how long it is across. And it goes a mile deep. And then when you look at the rock, um,

When you go all the way down, you're going to see this black, ugly rock. This is molten rock.

Mm hmm. Yeah. And that tells you how deep it is. Yeah. Well, we also. So a mile is what? Five thousand two hundred something feet. So you're five thousand feet to your death if you fall from a surface or a certain area of the Grand Canyon. But I do want to say the reason why the Grand Canyon and kind of the forbidden areas of the Grand Canyon made a lot of news recently. I mean, we had done the giant episode probably a month or two ago.

And we actually did use some clips of the Y-Files, what they had talked about, about the Grand Canyon on our episode there. We'd used quite a few clips and we broke a lot of stuff down. But recently, the Y-Files guy went on Joe Rogan episode and there was a clip specifically where they talk about the forbidden nature of the Grand Canyon and

And so they kind of give you a brief overview, but we're actually going to read the article that happened in 1903. And this was from the what was the Arizona Gazette article.

And not only what I want to do with that is I want to also read older articles. Once I started finding out about G.E. Kincaid and the article in the Grand Canyon, I started looking up today on historical websites and started trying to type in keywords of old newspapers from the 1800s, 1700s and very early 1900s. And I was just curious how many of these newspapers are.

ever mention any type of giant bones. Like, is this just a big conspiracy theory? Are we just all crazy? Or were there actual massive stories in the papers? And we're talking about there were massive stories in the papers from the New York Post and New York Times, even as far back as the late 1800s about finding giant skeletal bones. And it's not just in the Grand Canyon. It is in many places. We're

Alabama, you name it. And these stories blew up. Isn't that just crazy, though, to think about there's giant bones right here where we live? Yeah. It's just so wild to me. Yeah. I mean, well, you know, and so many of the stories from our natives, the native the native Indians that, you know, there were so many of the chiefs, the native Indian chiefs, what you talked about in the giant episode. Yeah.

that encountered some of these. They wrote about them. They talked about these giants that they would encounter. And oftentimes when they would encounter these giants that seemed to be some type of rulers or kings over a certain faction of people in certain areas of either North America or Mexico or all these other places, South America as well,

they would always win the fight. The giants and their people would always destroy them. And many people believe the giants and their people, whoever that was, were the reason why the Mayans disappeared, were the reasons potentially why the Aztecs disappeared. And so there was something that happened at some point in time that maybe a government agency had to come in and figure out how to deal with

these giants which is why i don't think we really see a lot of them today but here is the clip of him on joe rogan and this is the wildfalls guy i can't remember his name um sorry but you you guys probably know his name and this is them talking about the grand canyon mystery what are they hiding listen well the whole grand canyon thing is bananas like there's areas of the grand canyon you cannot explore you cannot go

You cannot fly over. Right. And you can't fly under the rim. Yet when you go to those bad places, suddenly a white plane flies over under the rim. Black helicopters show up. I showed on my episode. I show the black helicopters showing up like they do show. Yeah.

Like they are protecting something. Something. It's not as simple as this is a dangerous area because you can go to any dangerous area. You go to just to the normal tourist area. It's like, be careful. People fall. Two people a year fall. Yeah. Someone fell recently. Yeah. Yeah. An influencer. Of course. Taking a selfie. Of course.

But the Grand Canyon, there's been these crazy stories of people finding these Egyptian caverns with Egyptian artwork and hieroglyphics and stuff.

these stories of artifacts that have been removed from there. The story shows up, I believe, in the Phoenix Gazette, 1903 or so. The explorer is G.E. Kincaid. He's looking for gold deposits or whatever. This is just before Teddy Roosevelt made the Grand Canyon a preserve. He was a naturalist.

So he finds these steps that are clearly man-made. He follows the steps up, and there's a cave, and he goes in there, and he describes hieroglyphics that look Egyptian but are not quite. He finds a statue that he describes as like Buddha-like, not Egyptian, not human, but sort of like Buddha, and all these –

Weapons, shields, gold, all sorts of stuff. He keeps going. He finds a deserted city in the caves. And all these tunnels and caverns go everywhere. And he's trying to map everything. He comes out and he goes back to town and he gathers together a group that we're going to go find this stuff again. And people are excited about it. And a couple of weeks go by and everyone's gathered to go on the expedition. He never shows. The expedition goes nowhere. And that's really the last we've heard of it.

And is there any photographs or anything? No. There never is of this stuff. Right. Just descriptions? Just a great story. Well, the great part of the story is the fact that you actually can't go there. And just the idea that there's an area where the military is protecting people from being foolish, that doesn't make any sense. Nobody asks why. Right. Nobody asks why. It really bothers me about that story in all of these, whether it's disclosure or whatever.

I don't hear anyone asking why. Well, they won't let us. Well, who's they? Someone's in charge of stuff that's not the president or Congress. So who is it? Is it possible there's some sort of a government installation down there somewhere?

You know, it's all going to be woo-woo conspiracy stuff, or it's real, or G.E. Kincaid found something and someone got to him. But if G.E. Kincaid found something, why would they want to hide some ancient civilization discovery, particularly in the early 1900s?

Why? For what reason? I don't know why Graham Hancock is marginalized now. Right. But wouldn't you think that there's less of a grip on that stuff in the 1900s, early 1900s? I would think so. So my guess would be treasure and money. That would be my guess. It shows up in the paper. The government goes down there like, there's a lot of stuff down here. Let's grab it.

Send it to the Smithsonian, who keeps 99% of the stuff under wraps. They have a billion items that nobody can see. And then that's the end of it.

But what the fuck? Which I would love to know the official reason. See, I want to pause for a second because what he's going to get to in just a moment from the Y-Files. Now, I want to explain the Y-Files for a minute. I think it is an entertaining YouTube channel for sure. They cover a lot of conspiracies. They cover a lot of stuff. But the one thing he always also does at almost every single conspiracy theory or theory that he covers is he.

He tries to debunk it at the end, which I've thought about this. I really thought hard about this because I've always watched his videos. And usually the end, you know, there's always some funny thing, the little fish that's always talking. And, you know, he's he's a he does a very, very good job at telling a story. He's always been in media, which he talks about on Joe Rogan.

But the interesting thing to me is that he he gets these videos to just blow up massively. We're talking about everything from the Grand Canyon conspiracies to UFOs to you name it. Just the one I watched today was seven million people had watched it already. Yeah, absolutely. And he's got videos on there that have 14 million, 20 million. But my thought on this is that, you know, if you want a plant to.

to like garner as much attention to somebody as you possibly can. I'm talking about maybe a plant from the government or whoever. And then at the end you say, Hey, just so you know, you got to debunk this though. At the end, you know, you draw them all in and then just say, Hey, but here's their real story guys. By the way, this isn't true. G and K didn't even exist in the essay, this guy and this. So they do get into that in just a moment, but I'm going to read you guys the actual article because as you are listening to Joe Rogan, um,

and, and him talk about this. Uh, uh, this is the article from the Arizona Gazette of April 5th, 1909. And this is the original article. And it says, it says explorations in Grand Canyon, mysteries of immense high cavern being brought to light. Jordan is enthused. Remarkable finds indicate ancient people migrated from Orient.

So it says the latest news of the progress of the explorations of what is now regarded by scientists as not only the oldest archaeological discovery in the United States, but one of the most valuable in the world, which was mentioned some time ago in the Gazette, was brought to the city yesterday by G.E. Kincaid, the explorer who found the great underground citadel of the Grand Canyon during a trip from Green River, Wyoming, down the Colorado in a wooden boat to Yuma several months ago.

According to the story related to the Gazette by Mr. Kincaid, the archaeologists of the Smithsonian Institute, which is financing the expeditions, have made discoveries which almost conclusively prove that the race which inhabited this mysterious cavern, honed in solid rock by human hands, was of Oriental origin, possibly from Egypt, tracking back to Ramses.

In their theories are born out by the transition of the tablets engraved in hieroglyphs, the mystery of the prehistoric peoples of North America, their ancient arts, who they were and whence they came will be solved. Egypt and the Nile and Arizona and the Colorado will be linked by a historical chain running back to

which staggers the wildest fancy of the fictionist. And then it goes into a thorough examination under direction of a, of a professor S a Jordan and,

And this is, by the way, below the surface of even the 5,000 feet of the walls of the Grand Canyon. Mm-hmm.

The long main passage has been delved into to find another mammoth chamber from which radiates scores of passageways like the spokes of a will. Several hundred rooms have been discovered reached by passageways running from the main passage. One of them haven't been explored for 854 feet and another 634 feet.

The recent finds include articles which have never been known as native to this country and doubtless that they have origin in their Orient. War weapons, copper instruments, sharp edge and hard steel indicate the high state of civilization reached by these strange people.

So interested to have the scientists become, the preparations are being made to equip the camp for extensive studies, and the force will be increased to 30 or 40 persons. Now here's Mr. Kincaid's report. Mr. Kincaid was the first white child born in Idaho and has been an explorer and hunter all of his life, 30 years having been in the service of the Smithsonian Institute. Even briefly recounted, his history sounds fabulous, almost grotesque.

And it quotes, first, I would impress that the cavern is nearly inaccessible. The entrance is 1486 feet down the sheer canyon wall. It is located on government land and no visitor will be allowed there under penalty or of trespass. The scientists, which to work unmolested without fear of archaeological discoveries being distributed by curio or relic hunters.

A trip there would be fruitless, and the visitor would be sent on his way. The story of how I found the cavern has been related, but in paragraph. I was journeying down the Colorado River in a boat alone, looking for mineral.

Some 42 miles up the river from the El Torvav Crystal Canyon. I saw on the east wall stains in the sedimentary formation about 2,000 feet above the riverbed. There was no trail to this point, but I finally reached it with great difficulty. Above a shelf which hid it from view from the river was the mouth of the cave. There are steps leading from the entrance some 30 yards to what was, at the time, of the cavern was inhabited. The level of the river...

When I saw the chisel marks on the wall inside the entrance, I became interested, securing my gun and went in.

During the trip, I went back several hundred feet along the main passage till I came to the crypt in which I discovered the mummies. One of these stood, sorry, one of these I stood up and photographed by flashlight. I gathered a number of relics, which I carried down the Colorado to Huma, from which I shipped them to Washington with details of the discovery. Following this, the explorations were undertaken.

So here's some of what the passages kind of detailed. The main passageway is about 12 feet wide, narrow into nine feet towards the farther end, about 57 feet from the entrance. The first side passages branch off to the right and left, along which on both sides are a number of rooms about the size of ordinary living rooms of today.

though some are 30 by 40 feet square. These are entered by oval-shaped doors and are ventilated by round air spaces through the walls into passages. The walls are about three feet six inches in thickness. The passages are chiseled or hewn as straight as could be laid out by an engineer. The ceilings of many of the rooms...

And then the shrine. Quote,

Several hundred feet long in which are found the idol or image of the people's God sitting cross-legged with a Lotus flower or Lily in each hand. The cast of the face is Oriental and the carven, this cavern, the idol almost resembles Buddha, though the scientists are not certain as to what religious worship it represents. Taking into consideration everything found thus far, it is possible that the worship most resembles the ancient people of Tibet and

Surrounding the idol are smaller images, some very beautiful in form, others crooked necked and distorted shapes, symbolical probably of good and evil. There are two large cactus with protruding arms, one of each side of the dais on which the god squats.

All this is carved out of hard rock resembling marble. In the opposite corner of this cross hall were found tools of all descriptions made of copper. These people undoubtedly knew the lost art of hardening this metal, which has been sought by chemicals for centuries without result.

On a bench running around the workroom was some charcoal and other material probably used in the process. There is also slag and stuff similar to mat showing that these ancient smelted ores, but so far no trace of where or how this was done has been discovered, nor the origin of the ore.

Among the other finds are vases of urns and cups of copper and gold made very artistic in design. The pottery work includes enameled ware and glazed vessels. Another passageway leads to granularities such as those that are found in the Oriental temples.

they contain seeds of various kinds one very large storehouse has not yet been entered as it is twelve feet high and can be reached only from above two copper hooks extend on the edge which indicates that some sort of ladder was attached

These, uh, Gennaries are rounded as the material of which they are constructed. I think it is a very hard cement. A gray metal is also found in the cavern, which puzzles the scientist for his identity has not been established. It resembles platinum thrown permiculous promiscuously over the floor everywhere, or what people call cat eyes, a yellow stone of no great value. Each one is engraved with the head of the Malay type. Uh,

We're going to get to the hieroglyphics in a minute, but let's listen to a little more of what Joe Rogan and the Y-Files guy says. Google, is there an official reason why you're not allowed to go to certain areas of the Grand Canyon? They use a VPN there, brother. The story, I was looking at an article about the original article, and it says that the two guys mentioned might not have even existed. Right.

There's no evidence of them. G.E. Kincaid? And another guy named S.A. Jordan. Oh, so it might be just a story that someone printed? Some horseshit? When I was looking into one of these things before, I found something explaining that back in the early 1900s when newspapers were a really popular thing to read, I don't know if it was like a game or if there was actual prizes people would play amongst themselves to try to get fake stories printed. If you could get the craziest story printed, you'd win like 500 bucks or something.

I might be wrong, but I think Jordan was connected to the Smithsonian. It was according to I pulled this from the Smithsonian debunk, which I mean, I want to pause here for a second because here's the thing about S.A. Jordan. So alongside Kincaid, they had a guy named Jordan that also explored these caverns with Kincaid.

Now, when the Smithsonian was officially reached out to and they asked specifically about Kincaid and Jordan, the Smithsonian came back with a quote. And it says this.

And I don't have it actually right in front of me. You're paraphrasing. Yeah, but the quote essentially says that we have never had anyone by the last name of Kincaid or Jordan ever to work for the Smithsonian in any of our records ever in history. Well, I can't believe they would actually say it like that because it wasn't very hard to research that there was a very, very prominent figure by the last name of Jordan that was one of the biggest people

archaeologists and professors of the time that was one of the greatest explorers and finders of relics around the world. And his last name was Jordan. Now, it was not S.A. Jordan. It was not exactly like the guy's name. But it could be the same guy. Could be the same guy. Absolutely. But the very fact that the Smithsonian was

made sure that they said there's no record of anyone by the last name of Jordan, although it is actually on record that people could find that a Jordan did work for the Smithsonian. But we also know such as the giant bones that were found in Utah. There were caves in Utah to where these explorers found these massive bones in a cave in Utah. They

Somehow the Smithsonian came in. And so all of I think there was like 12 or 13 explorers that actually found these bones. And these were kind of what they consider rogue archaeologists, because anybody that doesn't go with the Smithsonian or mainstream science, they're rogue. Exactly. You're not supposed to be doing this. And not only did they find the bones, but they did find mummies. Yeah, they found mummies. They found giant skulls, elongated skulls, all of these things. Well, when the Smithsonian came in.

those bones disappeared. No one ever saw them ever again. And then the Smithsonian came out with a statement saying, we never found anything such as this. We don't have any bones. We don't know what you're talking about. And as a matter of fact, the X-File guy called them and they said,

We don't have these bones. We don't know what you're talking about. Have a nice day. He's like, how many calls do you get about this? He's like, oh, we get them quite often. There's a lot of people calling asking about this. And isn't that funny that so many people are calling about it.

There's got to be some truth behind it. I don't think they're telling the truth. Yeah, it's Smithsonian for sure. Yeah. And so even with the discovery in Utah, for example, there were 14 very well-known archaeologists, what they consider rogue archaeologists. So think of like a Graham Hancock today or a Randall Carlson or someone like that. Right. To where you have these guys very respected archaeologists.

Although they may not 100 percent be on the mainstream scientific narrative. You know, like Graham Hancock has the you know, all these shows on Netflix where he's trying to prove that our civilization is much older than we think and even more advanced than we ever thought of. And Robert shocks like that to Robert shocks the same way. But all of these people have been threatened. Very similar to other people like doctors that were kind of stood up and stood out against covid-19.

But the people that are doing the same thing on the archeological side are facing the same scrutiny as the people that, you know, kind of stood out and stood up during COVID. And there's a reason, you know, I often think about this and we've said this on so many shows. We, I believe, just have this fixated instruction from the time we are born to the time we enter school. We have history books. They teach history only what they want you to know.

And I think personally that we have been lied to more about history than we have almost about anything. And I don't even know for sure about our historical facts, even as historians.

early as the civil war. I mean, think about even nine 11, think about, um, think about the Iraq war. You know, we went in there because they were, uh, they had weapons of mass destruction. We just knew it. They sold this story come to find out they had no weapons of mass destruction. We just wanted probably either oil or we wanted to kill Saddam Hussein or some other

nefarious purpose. Maybe they had minerals or resources besides oil that we really wanted. But regardless, we sold the story to the people. We told them they had weapons of mass destruction and that's the way it was. 9-11, 9-11 happened. Very, very horrific event. There's so many unanswered questions about 9-11. I mean, even building seven where it just fell out of nowhere, didn't get hit by a plane, but it fell, didn't even have a fire. And this building just happened to have all these very important documents that

that could have held a lot of people in account for some things. We'll just put it that way. And even there's a group called the architects and engineers of nine 11. These are all over 2000 architects and engineers that build buildings like the world trade center that have come out and said, there's no way that two planes hitting these world trade centers could have possibly had this collapse happen. Uh, look like controlled demolition there. There's so much. So, so even if we're thinking about to 2001, uh,

But yet, for some reason, we think that the history we've been told, you know, for hundreds of years is true in our history books. Yeah, I just don't think that's the case. And so what the Smithsonian does and by the way, I don't know if most people realize this. The Smithsonian is not an organization. I think they actually talk about this in this clip.

It is a government entity. The Smithsonian is a government entity. It is a way that the government controls information. So if people just randomly find giant bones one day, like in your backyard, if you're digging up a site. Yeah, that's where it goes. Yeah. And then some somehow some way there's probably going to be a helicopter show up. You don't call Smithsonian and then that shit is going to disappear. Well, I wonder if it's kind of like the Vatican. They're the ones that hide all these missing files and missing artifacts.

Maybe they have something in common. Especially religiously. Yeah. Anything religious wise. And I think they know a lot more about UFOs as well. Now, I want to tell the story and I, gosh, I'm money. I wasn't going to do this at all. I was not even going to bring up the book of Enoch whatsoever. Oh, my gosh. I told my friend Brittany that I knew it was going to come up. Well, I'm going to try. I'm going to try.

I'm going to try not to do this. And I'm sure our telegram knew it, too. Well, the only thing that I'm going to say is that the one thing that we always have, like if you read the accounts of the giants being found in these caverns, including the giants in Utah and including other giants around the world, the number one thing that they mostly all have is.

or elongated skulls. Now, there's a reason for this. But real quick, have you not seen some of these history channel stories or documentaries about how people actually elongated their skulls on purpose? That comes back from the very beginning of time. They would put like gold locks on their necks to even elongate their necks. Yeah, so they would do the same thing

in on their heads. They would wrap their heads to where it would protrude their heads. They did defeat too. They did defeat. They did all this stuff. But even in the book of Enoch, it talks about that the people under the Nephilim and under the watchers, they were anybody that served the king, especially the people that were kind of in the king's castle in the king's chambers. So many of those people were Nephilim people.

These are the people that had no choice. They had to do certain things. And so they were the ones, including the Nephilim, that would wrap their skulls. They would wrap their heads to elongate their skulls. It was some type of show of mercy to the gods. That was why they elongated their skulls. And it talks about it in the book of Enoch. And it's just very interesting when you start seeing some of these giant skulls.

Even our recent discoveries as far or as I guess as early as the 1900s, you see these elongated skulls even with giants. Yeah. And it's crazy. Nowadays, people just blow up their lips, but you can't really see that in a skull. Yeah.

Well, that's the thing. Like, like, yeah, there's a lot of people that do a lot of fake shit nowadays. Like you have fake boobs, fake asses, fake cab. Even guys get fake biceps now. Fake calf muscles, fake abs. I mean, literally they get dudes literally get this. Oh, yeah. I was thinking about that the other day. I don't even want to work out. I just want to get fake biceps. Let me just get all the stuff. But I think women do it way more than men do. Oh, for sure.

But there are definitely some of these pictures. As a matter of fact, I was showing Chad the other night about Jeff Bezos. Oh, God. Yeah, but that was a picture. No, but I seen other pictures of her. She has the biggest blown up lips and biggest cheekbones I've ever seen in my life. And I don't even know why that's a fad. Yeah, I don't know. Well, I mean, but.

It's just because women they have. And it's not just women. I mean, there are so many people that have this ideology of like what society. Yeah. What society tells them looks good. Yeah. Just like the 80s hairdos. And then they go so far extreme. And this is not even to worship a God. Yeah. They're just they're just good. They're just superficial. Yeah. But.

But what happened with these elongated skulls was to worship or be obedient to the gods. And for whatever reason, they elongated their skulls. And we've seen this also in like African culture. We've seen it, especially with people that kind of worship the sun and moon gods and all this stuff. But it also kind of maybe goes back to the Book of Enoch because all the watchers had various godships, which are the god of sun, the god of water, the god of air, the god of Poseidon, for example, the god of underworld.

The ocean. But anyway, so also the hieroglyphs. Kincaid also says on all of the urns or walls over doorways and tablets of stone or

which were found by the image and the mysterious hieroglyphs, the key to which the Smithsonian Institute hopes yet to discover. The engraving on the tablets probably has something to do with the religion of the people. Similar hieroglyphs have been found in the southern Arizona. Among the pictorial writings, only two animals are found. One is a prehistoric type.

So one of them looks very prehistoric. The other one, I don't know. Now, also, he talks about the crypt and also known as the tomb. The tomb or crypt in which the mummies were found is one of the largest of the chambers. The wall slanting back in an angle of about 35 degrees on these are tiers of mummies, each one occupying a separate hewn shelf. And the head of each is a small bench of

of which is found in copper cups and the pieces of broken swords. Some of the mummies are covered with clay and all are wrapped in a bark fabric. The urns or cups on the lower tiers are crude, while as the higher shelves are reached, the urns are a finer design, showing a later stage of civilization. It is worthy of note that all the mummies examined so far have proved to be male, no children or females being buried here. This leads to the belief that this exterior section was the warriors' barracks,

And it quotes among the discoveries, no bones of animals have been found, no skins, no clothing and no bedding. Many of the rooms are bare, but for water vessels, one room about 40 by 700 feet was probably the main dining hall for cooking utensils are found here. What these people lived on is a problem, though it is presumed that they came south in the winter and farmed in the valleys going back north in the summer.

Upwards of 50,000 people could have lived in the caverns comfortably. One theory is that the present Indian tribes found in Arizona are descendants of the serfs or slaves of the people which inhabited the cave. Undoubtedly a good many thousands of years before the Christian era. A people lived here, which reached a high stage of civilization. The chronology of human history is full of gaps. Professor Jordan is much enthused over the discoveries and believes that the final proof

of incalculable value of archaeological work. And it quotes, one thing I have not spoken of may be of interest. There is one chamber of the passageway to which is not ventilated. And when we approached it, a deadly snaky smell stuck us. Our light would not penetrate the gloom. And until stronger ones are available, we will not know what the chamber contains. Some say snakes, but other boohoo,

but other boohoo this idea and think it may contain a, um, a deadly gas or chemicals to use by the ancients. No sounds are heard, but it smells snaky. Just the same. The whole underground installation gives one of the, uh, shaky nerves and creeps. The gloom is like a weight of one's shoulders and our flashlights and candles only make the darkness blacker. Imagination can revel in conjectures of ungodly daydreams back through the ages and

that have elapsed till the mind reels dizzy in space. Here's some more of Joe Rogan. So they would, if this is the way we're going to go with it, but them debunking this and they gave two links, one to the original 1909 article and one to a 2008 update. And that's where I was pulling that from. I don't trust the Smithsonian. They're exempt from all kinds of stuff. Yeah. Well, like there's a law passed not too long ago that if you have Native American artifacts that are important to that culture, especially burial artifacts, they must be returned. Right.

Unless you're the Smithsonian. Then you can make a case that you don't have to give it back. How do they have so much power? It's a government agency. Smithsonian's a government... Oh, I didn't even know. I thought it was a private agency. So there's no official story as to why this area of the Grand Canyon is off limits. For your safety. The forbidden zone, they call it. Yeah. It's all I can find. That's fucking weird. I'm looking into that. That's fucking weird.

that this story comes from the very area that's forbidden. That's fucking weird. What are the odds? I don't believe in coincidences. A lot of these stories come from places you just can't go. Has anybody tried to hike in? All the time. Or raft in? Yeah, did they get busted? And busted, yeah. And arrested. Really? Really?

You can find online, I wish I knew the names of a team that went up there. That's who found the black helicopters. I used them in the video. I credit them so you can find their videos. They're up there for an hour, hour and a half trying to

trying to find stuff. And what they found up in that Forbidden Zone is anchored into the ground a giant hook, or like a loop. What would you use that for? And that would be to rappel down. That's the only reason that would be there. There's no explanation for what is this. They also found artifacts from that era, from the early 1900s, artifacts that people were there.

So it's possible that they repelled that. Like, they might have been standing right above that entrance. And there are reverse angles of that rock face that look a little weird. It could be pareidolia, but... What's pareidolia? Pareidolia is the mind's ability to see...

objects in random noise. It's something we evolved to see predators in the forest. That's why if you see a cloud that looks like an Abraham Lincoln, it's not Abraham Lincoln. It's pareidolia. But debunkers will always fall on pareidolia. So the real believers, they hate that word.

And actually what they found was an oar, an oar from 1908 where people were traveling down there. And that's when I was talking about these people and it was a man and a woman. And I can't remember their names either, but they were traveling by boat and somehow, or maybe it was an oar that was from that century. Yes. They found an oar from the century of these relics. Yeah. I

That makes sense. That they found. Well, you would have to have. I mean, you would have to obviously have transport. I'm assuming that during that time, which most people believe that Grand Canyon was at one point in time carved out by water, obviously, maybe the Great Flood. We don't know for sure. Well, it's been carved out, according to some scientists, eight times with water. Because if you look at the Grand Canyon and you go through the layers and you can see the layers very clearly in any picture you see, it's

It says that at least eight times or eight episodes of the sea coming through there. And those rock sediments are anything from shell to limestone. Yeah, it's there's even fossils of shells in there. Yeah, that's a very interesting concept as well. Yeah, there's archaeologists and geologists that go to the Grand Canyon have been down to some of these places. And when you're kind of in these areas, I mean, this is the middle of the high desert.

You know, the Grand Canyon is a high desert. And you see sea stuff there. That's just crazy. Can you imagine the Grand Canyon ever being underwater? It was. But at one time, I did watch a documentary about this too as well. At one time, according to scientists, before it was the Grand Canyon, it was huge mountains the size of Mount Everest. And over time, they eroded and they became flat plains. Yeah. And then the flat plains...

were overgrown by seas. And that's what started carving out the Grand Canyon. Well, it's just like if you fly from, for example, if you fly in a private aircraft from South Carolina to

To say Utah, right? You fly there. Say you're flying at 20,000 feet. Well, at 20,000 feet from South Carolina all the way to like Oklahoma, it looks like 20,000 feet. You know, it looks way down there. As soon as you start getting into the desert areas, especially right around Colorado and even if you're West Texas going into New Mexico and all that, you're

That 20,000 feet starts sinking or sorry, start shrinking very fast because the desert starts coming up. And so to where 20,000 feet above sea level used to be what you were flying over, it is now you're only maybe 10 or 9000 feet above sea level. And although you're technically 20,000 feet, you're only now 9000 feet above sea level.

So the high desert is also very interesting because there is something that happened, you know, and if I had to look at the southwest desert, especially the high desert, and this is in the same area as the Grand Canyon,

And, you know, there's people that speculate, as we talked about earlier, that there are many rocks in the Grand Canyon that look to be geothermal or some type of volcanic explosion that once probably happened. Yeah, molten rock. Yeah, molten rock. And which would also explain why the high desert is so high, because if you have this massive explosion of a huge mega volcano in this region.

then that area of land is going to be much higher than East Coast because that multi lava is just going to keep coming up and coming up. And it's going to build this structure, this basin that is probably 10,000 feet above sea level or more. So that molten rock was actually six miles deep and they did carbon date them back then.

to 1.7 million years old. Yeah. And they had garnets in them. And that's what makes it older for some reason. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I'm not a geologist. I'm not either, but that's what I was researching. You know, David's a geologist. Yeah, I know. It's crazy. I mean, I don't know if you know anything about that. We should ask him about that.

Yeah. I don't know if he knows anything about that anymore, but yeah. So this whole area is very unique and you know, it also just goes back to like, if you guys ever go on a hiking trail and you go down this high control and it has been, you know, hit by severe thunderstorms week after week after week, you're typically going to get these, uh, goalie washers, they call them, you know, and it's like these little caverns that are in the trails and it looks like a mini grand Canyon. If you're a little tiny ant, uh,

That's like your Grand Canyon. So imagine that amount of water and then imagine what would have to happen for the Grand Canyon to be carved out. That is a huge flume of water. And so I think it is absolutely water erosion. But you're talking about some massive flood. We're talking about the Great Flood, I think. Well, even if you took all

If they took all of the water on Earth and put it into the Grand Canyon, it'd only fill it up one fourth of the way. Yeah. That's how massive this thing is. But the also interesting thing about this is I wonder if they had a way to seal these caverns. Because if we're talking about these ancient civilizations that potentially lived in these caverns that were on these cliffs, to me, what that sounds like is it would have had to have been post-flood. Because...

Post-flood, that's how you're going to get into these places. You're not obviously, you know, because likely the Grand Canyon wasn't even a canyon at the pre-flood. No, it was probably a plain at that time. Yes. So this would have been post-flood civilizations. Right.

that came into the canyon areas. Maybe during that time, it wasn't as high up as maybe we see it today. But I think these civilizations that lived in a grand Canyon, including the potential giants that lived here or the seekers that they're trying to hide, this is post flood civilization. I don't understand necessarily the kind of religious worship of maybe the Tibetan gods or maybe even ancient Egypt, but,

And some of the, you know, relics that they found in some of these caverns. I mean, we're talking about pots and all these things that kind of point to some various sort of gods, very similar to like the sun and moon gods and all this. And where did all these like.

Very nice metals come from gold and platinum. Well, that area is pretty, you know, and that's the thing. I think that area, the southwest and all that stuff, I think it is very rich in minerals and especially post flood. Because if you think about today, like Idaho, like there was a huge gold rush during that time. Yeah, that's true. And so if you think about the rivers that kind of wash down through there, if you had a flood, you're going to wash a lot of mineral deposits into this region. All right, guys, we'll play a little more of this clip here again.

would be imagined everything would have to be rewritten if they found some evidence of a lost civilization with no connection to any known civilization

That was advanced. That was living in the Grand Canyon. Did you ever think about going? To the Grand Canyon? To go and just be an outlaw and go see. How would you get in, though? I mean, if they have black helicopters and they're scanning the sky or scanning the ground with some sort of a drone or a plane.

All right, guys. So the next clip I want to get into, I think he does an amazing job. We're going to break this down as well, especially everything we've been talking about. I think he does a really good job of this. Scary Mystery Channel on YouTube. Shout him out. Go follow him. Go give him some love. Does a great job on this. Let's listen to this about the mysteries of the Grand Canyon that are insane. Every town has a dark side.

But what if I told you that the Grand Canyon, in addition to being one of the seven natural wonders of the world, is also the site of a disproportional amount of unexplained disappearances? Over 1,100 people have vanished here since 2018, and that's the highest in any area of the whole United States. And on top of that, well, really, that's just the beginning.

Because beneath its towering cliffs, there appears to be secrets here that have been actively buried for centuries. Things like hidden tunnels, ancient artifacts that don't belong, and even evidence of advanced lost civilizations. So what's this all about? Are these things connected? And what else will be hiding right now along all those restricted areas of the Grand Canyon? We have a pretty good dive here for all those interested in thinking outside the box.

And most of us don't think of the Grand Canyon as a place that could even be riddled with secrets because it's right there for anybody to visit. And you can take photos, videos, even fly over it. But the reality is that 90% of the Grand Canyon traffic is concentrated on the south end, which means the majority of this place is totally off-limits. In an area that covers just about 2,000 square miles, well, that's a lot of places people have never seen. Or have they?

And that's exactly why so many of them are never heard from again. The Grand Canyon is a natural wonder that's been shaped over millions of years. Its beauty has fascinated us for centuries, and for some time it was a free-for-all in terms of being able to be explored. There was no national park designation. So in the Wild West days, for example, if you wanted to, you could wander into whatever cave, cliff, or crevasse you could find.

But just around the time that we began getting more sophisticated with our exploring capabilities, well wouldn't you know it, it was time to shut all that down. It was in 1908 when President Teddy Roosevelt was making the moves to declare the area off-limits to mining and logging operations. And after that was established, they could then cut the general public off to wherever they saw fit.

And seeing these restrictions on the horizon, a flurry of adventurous people set out to explore the area before it was too late. And one of those individuals was a man named G.E. Kincaid, who at the imminent closure of the canyon decided to seize the last opportunity to explore its darkest corners in search of precious minerals. Instead, though, he actually ended up triggering one of the most intriguing mysteries in all of modern history.

Riding up the Colorado River in a small wooden boat, Kincaid navigated between the majestic cliffs until he was about 40 miles from the Tover Crystal Canyon. That's when he noticed strange markings on a rock formation above. And these were high up the cliff, so he couldn't tell what they were exactly. Driven by curiosity, he docked the boat and began climbing.

After a strenuous ascent, he then discovered a series of steps carved into the sandstone, hidden beneath desert shrubs, and he couldn't believe what he was seeing. These steps led him to a cavernous entrance, only it wasn't a totally natural formation. This one had been formed by the hand of somebody. Hard and straight edges created a large doorway.

Kincaid lit his lantern and entered the cave where what he found defied all logic. The walls were covered with inscriptions that didn't resemble any known language in North America. Instead, the symbols looked a lot like ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics, only a bit different. As he moved forward, the passage stretched so far he couldn't tell where it ended.

and there were other doorways that led to other halls and rooms. It was some sort of large underground complex, built by what could have only been an advanced civilization. As Kincaid looked around, he documented everything he was finding. The main tunnel was approximately 12 feet wide and tapered towards the ends. Along the sides, passages branched off, leading to rooms carved with geometric precision.

Some rooms were as large as a regular living room, but others measured much bigger, 30 by 40 square feet. The entranceways were curved, not straight angles, and the walls were ventilated with circular openings carefully drilled. Inside some of the rooms, Kincaid found shelves filled with glazed ceramic jars, many of which still contained seeds in them.

He also found copper tools and described a workshop with remnants of charcoal and slag, evidence that the ancient residents practiced metal smelting. But the most astonishing discovery was a large room that Kincaid described as a crypt. There among stone shelves carved into the rock, he found dozens of mummies, each inside its own rocky casing.

In the lower levels, the jars were more rudimentary, while those on the upper levels featured more elaborate designs, suggesting a sort of cultural evolution over time. How long had this culture been there? How long would it take to create such a large structure? And how far did it really go? Overwhelmed, Kincaid needed help, and this was going to change the entire world and all the history books ever written.

Sending artifacts and notes to the Smithsonian Institute, he requested financial and logistical support. Within weeks, Professor S.A. Jordan arrived with a team of 40 scientists and workers, and everybody was excited to see what else they could uncover. With more resources, the expedition confirmed that the tunnels converged into a central chamber. And there, they found a giant statue.

The figure, sitting with its legs crossed, was holding lotus flowers in both hands, resembling more modern depictions of Buddha. However, the researchers couldn't definitively identify the culture behind the statue. This was something totally different from anything we knew about. And people were not supposed to have even stepped foot in North America until about 15,000 years ago. And those that did were primitive.

And supposedly it stayed that way until Columbus sailed the ocean blue. And over the past 500 years, we've built the America we know. I want to pause for a second because there was something we read in the actual article where G.E. Kincaid finds this lotus flower among this god or whatever he finds this deity essentially in this cave. And so the lotus flower, it carries a very, very symbolic meaning across many ancient civilizations and is often tied to gods or creation myths or

And the divine. And so think about ancient Egypt. It's meaning in ancient Egypt was rebirth or creation, the sun or purity. The blue lotus was especially sacred. It was linked to the sun god Ra, which is also mentioned in the book of Enoch.

As the lotus would close at night and open with the sunrise, symbolizing resurrection and renewal. In the Egyptian creation myth, the lotus emerged from the primordial waters of Nun, and from it came the sun god, often represented as a child of the god of Nefertum. The flower was commonly found in the tombs, an art to symbolize the afterlife and eternal life.

There's also ancient India and Hinduism. They represented the lotus flower as spiritual awakening, divine beauty, detachment. The lotus is a sacred symbol in Hinduism associated with gods like Brahma, which is the creator god who emerged from a lotus springing from Vinshu's navel. Also, the goddess of wealth and purity. You also have Vinshu representing cosmic order, also holds a lotus symbol.

Buddhism, the lotus is one of the eight auspicious symbols of Buddhism. Buddha is frequently shown seated on a lotus or holding one. And this is kind of what this figure that G.E. Kincaid describes in this cave looks more like Buddhism, right?

And so there are different colored lotuses that have different meanings. The white means purity of mind. Blue means wisdom. Pink means the historical Buddha. And red means compassion and love. And then even in ancient China, they...

considered the lowest flower as virtue, harmony, perfection. The Lotus was a symbol of purity and nobility rising unsullied from the mud. It also played a role in the Tainist and Confucian philosophy represent inner strength, moral integrity, and the harmony between humanity and nature. And it became a motive in Chinese art, poetry, and religion symbolizing the ideal person who's detached from worldly concerns.

And in Mesopotamia, Mesopotamia, what came after Enoch, that was many stories like Gilgamesh and all this stuff, though not as central as in Egypt or Asia. There is evidence of lotus like water lilies in Mesopotamia are often linked to fertility and divine favor, sometimes associated with goddesses like Inanna and Ishtar. And Inanna and Ishtar were watchers.

They were the watchers. That's crazy. They were gods. And it goes with the lotus flower. And the lotus flower is still important to many communities on different continents, I guess, today. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, so if you read the Book of Enoch at all, Inanna and Ishtar are often mentioned throughout the watchers. The watchers were, Inanna and Ishtar were some of the highest gods of the watchers that came down, mated with women that created Nephilim, just so you guys know. And just so how we know that

are even connected back in Enoch days. And this site would prove that all of that was completely wrong. The team nicknamed the site the Citadel. As they explored further, they discovered barracks, grain storage facilities, temples and workshops. Whoever lived here, they were making tools and weapons out of copper, bronze, and a gray metal they couldn't identify, and possibly platinum.

They also found stone tablets engraved with hieroglyphs, the translation of which remained a mystery. The mummies, all male, reinforced the theory that this section of the complex was a military barracks and no women or children were discovered, raising questions about the actual function of the place. Despite the lack of answers, the team concluded that this lost civilization was highly advanced with knowledge of agriculture, metallurgy, and architecture.

The discovery sparked controversy to say the least, as it suggested the existence of an advanced civilization in North America long before what conventional archaeology accepted. The similarities to Egyptian and Tibetan cultures were undeniable, but how could that be? Well, unfortunately, we weren't able to find out, or at least us common folk have not been privy to the findings.

I want to mention something, too, here as a non-geologist, but it mentions platinum. They had talked about finding platinum in some of these caves. Right. The interesting thing about platinum is I'm sure you've heard of like platinum rings and all this stuff, wedding bands. It is one of the rarest.

actual commodities on earth as far as a metal or a, you know, whatever. So it's much more rare than gold or silver, any of that. And many people believe that most of the platinum on earth may have actually come from meteorites billions of years ago. And, and,

if you actually go into space, if you were able to go and blow up some of these meteorites or comments, yeah, you would have tons of platinum because space is full of platinum. And even in the game that I played, which is no man's sky, when you go up and you get off your planner or whatever, and you go blow up these little comments or these little asteroids, that's what you're extracting is platinum and ore and all these things. These are, these are minerals that are in space, very abundant. And so, um,

archaeologists or not archaeologists, but many geologists do not believe that platinum necessarily is a naturally occurring substance or metal on Earth. It actually most people believe it came from space some way, shape or form. But it's also interesting where you have these godlike deities in these caves. You have all of these ancient advanced type

hieroglyphs, pottery, you name it. And then you also find platinum. Yeah. And it's just so baffling to me that scientists don't even really know the form or the origin of these things. No. They're like, it's kind of Egyptian. It's kind of Tibet. But we don't really know what this is. No. And even the god, the deity that was in there that he saw was

you know, where the legs are crossed and it highly resembles Buddhism. And so there are all these various things. It looks like Egyptian, but it kind of looks like Buddhism. It kind of looks like all these other facets of of ancient civilizations. So maybe it's one we don't know about. Probably so. And I'm sure that, you know, they had various ideas from certain maybe people.

or gods or whatever, that maybe they were just a different civilization we've never even heard of. Yeah.

And that's what's the most fascinating. But the interesting thing, too, is like once G.E. Kincaid got Jordan down to these caverns and he was part of the Smithsonian, which the Smithsonian denies. Once you get on down there, that's when it wasn't long after that. The government was like, we got to shut this shit down. So they started making all these natural or these national parks. And it's not just the Grand Canyon that has a lot of mysteries. And there are many national parks that are

have places that you are not allowed to go. That are off limits. Yes. And so many people believe that national parks are created to protect whatever the secrets were there to keep you away from them so that you couldn't just go buy the land, do all your discoveries you want to do. Because back then there were people that had the money to buy a large swaths of land and they could have went in and found all this stuff, exposed it to the public, which could have been very detrimental to the story of our organization.

origin and history and the question is is that why is the government hiding it like what are they hiding what are they hiding all of those discoveries like why are they hiding discoveries from us and i get i get the you want to preserve these things and kept them keep them you know untouched by humans and preserve this but in order to know it you have to see it yeah

Well, I mean, but you have to also understand that a lot of these places that, you know, Smithsonian or whoever can come in, take a lot of it. I'm sure the Smithsonian has taken a lot of this. I'm sure a lot of these underground, deep underground military bases, also known as DUMs, I'm sure they housed a lot of our ancient history that we just will never find out or know about. Likely the government has got to a lot of this stuff that mankind will never, ever be able to find now unless you dig something up. Exactly. But even like the

You know, they're not allowed to actually dig. They can use. Yeah, they can use sonar or they can use all this technology that we are now coming up with. But they can't actually go and dig and find out because they want to preserve what was down there. Yeah. I mean, it's it's like many people that have visited South America, you know, even the Amazon. Most people don't realize the Amazon as you walk through the Amazon. It just looks like a mass jungle because it is. Mm hmm.

But what many archaeologists believe is under the Amazon are giant pyramids, whole cities that have been lost to the Amazon. I mean, the Amazon is completely enveloped. Everything that once was in that region. Yeah. And there are many archaeologists that have done LIDAR scans. They see these things underground. They know there are mass cities underground under the Amazon, and they're never going to let you ever explore this. And there's reasons for that.

Well, and some people say it's kind of voodoo if you open up these things like you're going to have bad things or bad evil spirits come out if you want to go that route as well. Maybe. Yeah, you don't know. You don't know who protects them. Is it the watchers that come out and say, oh, you have disturbed my lair? I don't know. But either way, let's listen to some more.

The story here took a dark turn when the Smithsonian, after receiving the reports, allegedly denied funding the expedition or even receiving artifacts from Kincaid altogether. This fueled conspiracy theories that exist today about a cover-up to protect traditional historical narratives. It made Kincaid look like a crackpot, a guy who made up the story entirely, and maybe that's what he did.

But also, maybe the powers to be in this country didn't want this sort of information getting out to the masses. Knowledge, as they say, is power. And if we had to change the entire timeline of world history based on this finding, what would that do to the world in terms of our beliefs? Religions could be questioned. Scientific and archaeological authorities could not be trusted. And that's a big problem if you want to stay in control.

And today, there are no official records of Kincaid's findings. However, access to many areas of the Grand Canyon are restricted, leading to speculation about forbidden zones that may hold more secrets. Some believe the complex could be the key to uncovering lost connections between ancient civilizations, while others see Kincaid's story as nothing but a fabricated tale meant to get attention. So then, what is Off Limits exactly and why?

They're called the Forbidden Zones and perhaps you've heard the name mentioned as it's become synonymous with the Grand Canyon. The caves, for example, are forbidden zones. Which, by the way, of the more than 1,000 they've documented in the park, only 325 have properly been mapped and explored, so who even knows what's in the others?

This name, though, isn't official. It's not like the park itself calls places they don't want you to go forbidden zones. That's just what they've evolved into being called in popular culture. Among the most notable of these places are the Hopi salt mines. These are located at the confluence of the Colorado and Little Colorado rivers.

And this area is sacred to the Hopi and other indigenous tribes because the salt extracted here is used in religious ceremonies dating back hundreds of years. So access to these mines is restricted. All right, we're going to stop here because that kind of covers the Grand Canyon stuff. Now, what he goes on to talk about, obviously, is there are many places that are kind of excluded from public viewing or excavation or any type of public traffic.

I thought it would be interesting to just talk about some newspapers from the 1800s and 1900s. And back then, newspapers were pretty much the only information we had. Everyone read newspapers every day. And just a little tidbit of information, I was a newspaper delivery girl for about a year. And I did even deliver newspapers during a blizzard. I'll just put it out there. Yeah.

Yeah, I used to play the newspaper game, the newspaper delivery game. You remember that game way back in the day? Yeah, Paperboy. It's called Paperboy. Really? Yeah, you had to like escape dogs, trash cans. You had to throw papers at each house. Oh, I was so good. Who remembers that game? I was so good at throwing newspapers. I could get them right on the porch. I was so good at it. My mom was good too. Nice.

All right. So there is an article from 1870, Ohio Democrat, January 14th, 1870, Cardiff giant undone with an enormous iron helmet. And it says on Tuesday morning last, while Mr. William Thompson assisted by Mr. Robert R. Smith was engaged in making an excavation near the house,

of the former about half a mile north of West Hickory, preparatory to erecting a derrick. And I don't know what the hell this means, because this is definitely weird language from 1870. Well, yeah, isn't that weird how the language has changed so much from the early 1900s? Absolutely. And it says they exhumed an enormous helmet of iron, which was corroded with rust. Further digging brought to light a sword, which measured nine feet in length.

Curiosity in incited them to enlarge the hole. And after some little time, they discovered the bones of two enormous feet following up the lead. They had so unexpectedly struck in a few hours time. They had unearthed the well-preserved remains of an enormous giant.

belonging to a species of the human family, which probably inhabited this and other parts of the world at the time of which the Bible speaks when it says, and there were giants in those days. This is from 1870 newspaper, the Ohio, the helmet is said to be of the shape of those among the ruins of Nevaeh. The bones of the skeletons are remarkable white. The teeth are all in their places and all are extraordinary size.

These relics have been taken to the Tionesta, where they are visited by large numbers of people daily.

When his giant ship was in the flesh, he must have stood 18 feet tall in his stockings. These remarkable relics will be shipped to New York early next week. The joints of the skeletons are now being glued together. These remains were found about 12 feet under the surface of a mound, which had been thrown up probably centuries ago and which was not more than three feet above the level of the ground around it.

And it says Broadside Advertisement published at Saratoga Springs, New York, August 10th, 1870, $5,000 award. It says $5,000 reward for the piece of the same material as the Cardiff Giant. We make the above offer to any man as we know there is nothing of any kind in this country. Again, we will give every visitor $1 when they are, after a careful examination, believes the Cardiff Giant to be a humbug.

So then you also, so here's kind of the article about that. Saratoga Springs, August 6, 1870. Dear sir, I have visited the Cardiff Giant several times and examined it carefully both by daylight and gaslight and am free to confess that to me, the monster stone man is a mystery. If it is a veritable work of art, I cannot understand why any sculptor possessing the skill to produce so perfect of a specimen of statuary could

could have consented to place his subject in such an unartistical, grotesque position. Again, I cannot understand how by any known art the whole surface of the body could possibly be made to exhibit so perfectly the perspatory and oil tubes visibly in all parts, not only to the naked eye, but specifically so under a microscope. Again, if it is verifiable work of art and...

As some claim a very recent, I defy any man to show how the abrasions of the limbs on one side manifestly produced by the action of elements could possibly be imitated by artificial means. Says I leave old fellows as thousands have with the question of inquire, what is it?

So that was something else. Then you also have Memphis Daily Appeal, August 28th, 1870. Chickasawabla, remains of giants found in Arkansas. This actually also went out in the New York Post and it says relics of a former race. The statements which we make below and the facts detailed are so strange and almost incredible and so like the many roarbacks and canards that have from time to time appeared in the press of Europe and America that we permise them with a declaration that are strictly true and that we have

not exaggerated what we have seen one iota with the much as preface we will proceed with our story so this is the chickaswabla two miles west of barfield point in arkansas county arkansas on the east bank of the lovely stream called pimasat river stands an indian mound some 25 feet high and about an acre in area at the top the mound is called the chickaswabla

And from it is the high and beautiful country surrounding it. Some 12 square miles in the area derives this name, Chickasawaba. The mound derives this name from the Chickasawaba, a chief of the Shawnee tribe who lived, died, and was buried there. The chief was one of the last race of hunters who lived in the beautiful region and who once peopled it quite thickly for Indians. We mean,

Aunt Kitty Williams, who now resides there, relates that the Chickaswap would frequently bring in for sale as much as 20 gallons of pure honey in deerskins, bags slung to his back. He was always a friend to the whites, a man of gigantic stature and Herculean strength.

A number of years ago, making an excavation into or near the foot of the Chichicahua mound, a portion of the gigantic human skeleton was found. The men who were digging, becoming interested, unearthed the entire skeleton, and from measurements given us by the reliable parties, the frame of the man to whom it belonged could not have been less than eight or nine feet in height."

Under the skull, which slipped easily over the head of our informant, who we will her state is one of our best citizens, was found a peculiarly shaped earthen jar resembling nothing in the way of Indian pottery, which has been before seen by them.

It was exactly the shape of the round-bodied, long-necked carapace of water decanters, a specimen of which may have been seen on Gaston's dining table. The material of which the vase was made was a peculiar kind of clay and workmanship was very fine. The belly or body of it was ornamented with figures of hieroglyphs consisting of correct delineation of human hands parallel to one of

to one, each other, other palms outward and running up and down the vase, their wrist to the base and fingers toward the neck. On either side of these hands were the tibet or thigh bones, also correctly delaninated, running around the vases. There were other things found with the skeleton, but this is all

that our informant remembers. Since that time, whenever an excavation has been made in the Chickasawaba County in the neighborhood of the mound, similar skeletons have been found and under the skull of every one of them found similar funeral vases, almost exactly like the one described. There are now in this city several of the vases and portions of the huge skeletons.

One of the editors of the appeal yesterday measured a thigh bone, which is fully three feet long. The thigh and shin bones together with the bones of the foot stood up in a proper position in a physician's office in the city, measured five feet in height and shown the body to which the leg belonged to have been from a nine foot tall man.

At Buford's Landing near Barfield, in digging a deep ditch, a skeleton was dug up, the leg of which measured between five and six feet in length and other bones in proportion. In a very few days, we hope to be able to lay before our readers accurate measurements and descriptions of the portions of skeletons now in the city and the artifacts found in the graves. It is not a matter of doubt that these are human remains, but

of a long extinct race, a race which flourished, lived, and died many centuries ago in those days told of scripture. And there were giants in those days. It was Sir Hans Sloane, we believe, that first put forth the theory that the gigantic bones found in the various parts of old worlds were not human remains. This so ill-recording with the popular ideas and superstitions about giants was considered the...

So,

All of these articles, including the Toronto Ontario Daily, giant skulls with perfect teeth they found in the Toronto Ontario Daily. That was another article. You also had articles from the New York Times. You also had articles from Richmond, Virginia Daily State Journals. This was 1871. Talks about wonderful discoveries, a cave of dead Indians and mammoth remains of giant skulls and beans. You

You had Hartford, Tennessee Weekly. This was 1872. Race of Giants Found in Underground Tomb Under Old State Fort in Tennessee. I mean, the amount of articles from the 1800s were vast. New York Times, February 8th, 1876. The Early American Giant. They published an article and this says, The public will unpleasantly reminded of the callous indifference to the future of the part of prehistoric Americans by the recent discovery of three unusually fine skeletons in Kentucky that measured over 11 feet tall.

This is the New York Times, February 8th, 1876. The article was called The Early American Giant. The reason why I'm saying all this is because when we talk about the Grand Canyon and we talk about the Utah Grand

Cave discovery where these scientists, archaeologists, geologists, they all found these giant skeletal bones. And then once the U.S. government started to kind of ham down on all the national parks, they made certain sections. You are allowed to actually discover some sections you were not. Right.

But then the Smithsonian came in. Then all of these, I guess you can call museums and artifact preserves and all these red tape type things popped up, organizations, government entities. Once that started happening, we didn't really hear about stories like this anymore. But you guys can absolutely certainly go back to newspaper articles from 17 and 1800s and find discoveries of giants all across North America. But.

there have been other discoveries of potential giant bones in the Grand Canyon, including discoveries where the Smithsonian came in and also covered those up. But very closely to these places where G.E. Kincaid and S.A. Jordan found these caverns that housed all of these, I guess you can say artifacts. There have been other discoveries along the Grand Canyon where they have found what they believe to be giant bones, including, as I said, not just in Utah, not just in Arizona, not just

in Nevada. But yes, we've had these discoveries in Ohio and Kentucky and Tennessee and South Carolina and Georgia and Alabama. And if you guys go back and listen to our Giants episode, we break down everywhere all of the Giants have been found in the past.

So anyway, so there's no secret that there are many places across North America that are very secretive. They are almost maybe top secret. The government is hiding it from us for some reason. And the Grand Canyon is no different. The Grand Canyon is very mystical. It is magical. It is a beautiful place. But as the government kind of came in and they started saying, hey, you know what, guys?

you were not going to allow you to go everywhere in national parks. And we're going to make sure that we cordon off certain areas to where you can't actually discover your past. And as I said, I think that we have been lied to very heavily about our history. And I think that much of what we believe our history to be is probably not accurate, but I do think that a lot of these new discoveries that we are finding the rogue archeologists, the road geologists, if you actually just read some historical texts, um,

It's not really that far off. And maybe is that what they're potentially hiding? They don't want you to believe necessarily in historical biblical text or any of this other stuff. The book of Enoch, even there's probably a reason why they excluded that from the 66 books. But it does explain a lot of our history that we can't even explain today. So.

I don't know, but we are going to have another book of Enoch episode coming up very soon. We'll dive a little bit deeper in some of this stuff. We got a lot of great episodes for you guys this week, but that's going to do it for us. The name of this song, if that's okay, by loving caliber. So next time we love you guys. Peace out. Peace out. Yeah. My head's spinning hearts racing, knowing that you could give me a call.

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