Vance Boelter | Minnesota Shootings | The Political Shooting That Doesn’t Add Up
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Hello and welcome to Investigator Earth Podcast. I'm your host Chad alongside my beautiful wife Sherry. On tonight's episode, we're digging into the chilling case of Vance Bolter. The man accused of killing Minnesota's former House Speaker Melissa Hortman and her husband and then shooting Senator John Hoffman and his wife.

But something's not right about this story. Bolter dressed as a cop, had a kill list with up to 70 names, and scouted several homes. Yet the narrative we're getting is vague, just political extremism. Why were some lawmakers targeted and others were spared? How did he get their addresses? And what was his real motive? There are too many gaps in this story, and tonight we're going to try to expose them all. Guys, welcome to the show. It is June the 19th, 2025. The name of this song is Fly Duncan by Kylie Daly.

And yes, this is something that we had to do because mainstream media is not talking about it much anymore. Obviously, the Israel-Iran thing has taken all over social media and mainstream media. But this happened about a week, a week and a half ago now, where there was this extremist to some degree. We don't exactly know for sure what his political affiliation is, but it seems like

This guy may have been on the right. He was at one point in time registered as a Republican, although Sherry, when they came out and said this, he's from Minnesota. And I guess Minnesota is not necessarily a place you can find out who or how someone registers to vote. Right. Right. In certain states, you don't have to register to be a Republican or Democrat. You just register to vote. And in Minnesota, those are one of those states.

So we don't actually know if he was a Republican or a Democrat in Minnesota. But in 2006, he was in Oklahoma and was a registered Republican. Yeah. But what is strange about this whole thing is because he was working for Tim Walz or under Tim Walz in a supposedly bipartisan state.

Committee or capacity. And so we don't really know. Does Tim Waltz hire people that are Republicans? Does he hire all Democrats? How does that all work? And that's where I think a lot of the confusion is, is because he was working under Tim Waltz, but he was registered as a Republican. And from what I can see, he definitely is a Christian. He was a preacher in Africa at one time and preaching his heart out and dancing on the

On the mat or whatever and going kind of crazy. Like he looked a little bit crazy. Yeah. More of like an evangelist, I guess. And I'm not saying evangelist Christians are crazy, but I'm saying he was like dancing up and down, jumping up and down, you know, those type of people. Yeah. Yeah.

No. So I don't know if any of you guys have ever been to a I think it's like a Pentecostal church. I've been to one of those before and I'll never forget this time. And this is kind of an offshoot story, but I'll never forget the time one of my friends took me to their Pentecostal church way back in the day. I was probably 13, 12 years old, somewhere around there.

And I think his dad was a preacher. But so as we bowed our heads to pray, as we are in the pews of this church, I'm thinking that it's going to be normal, just like all the other church services I have attended. And then I start hearing people running down the aisles and I look up and I'm like, what is going on? And then they're speaking in tongues. They're like yelling. They're jumping up and down on their knees. It was kind of crazy. And I was like, what?

in the hell did I just get myself into? But yes, this guy kind of reminds me of one of those preachers, especially when he would go to Africa. And as always, it's kind of interesting because Vance Bolter, as he was preaching in Africa, he had like a the

The translator translator. Yeah. So we had a translator out there and this guy was just trying to keep up with whatever this guy was saying. And so it was an African translator trying to tell what Vance Bolter was saying. But yeah, when you watch some of those videos, it does. He does seem a little odd. He seems a little off. And this guy was 57 years old from Green Isle, Minnesota, evangelical Christian, former 7-Eleven manager, operator of a purported security company and a missionary preacher who

Um, his ideology and motives, he's a registered Republican, according to mainstream media turned no party preference. And, but we do know he was anti-abortion, anti-LGBTQ rhetoric, uh, left a manifesto with 70 plus targets, Democrat politicians and abortion, right. Advocates basically took up this entire list, uh,

Um, he disguised himself as a police officer, used police style vehicles, wore realistic mask and body armor, carried firearms. Surveillance on multiple targets showed this, uh,

And so this is very interesting storyline. And we're going to get into the press conference, which I think is one of the weirdest things. I know when Sherry and I were watching the press conference from a U.S. attorney and I think the FBI was there and it was about a 30 minute conference. But there was so many things, how they explain some of this stuff that made no sense. And anytime, obviously, you have senators that are executed publicly.

their homes. And it's not just one. There were multiple. He had actually went to four different houses. Right. Senators and representatives. Yes. And so he went to four different houses. It just so happens that the police were so proactive that they happened to appear at some of these houses before or when he got there. Yeah, they had telepathy. But literally, I felt like I was the little court

room lady, you know, the one that speaks in the little speaker when they're doing all the transcripts. I spent almost an hour going through this whole thing, writing down everything.

line by line what they're saying to make it make sense because it wasn't making sense to me. Now, yeah. So now it does. Yeah. The press conference is very confusing. There's a lot of things they say that doesn't make any sense whatsoever. And so obviously we actually had quite a few people that reached out to us and said, hey, what do you guys think about this? And when we actually watched the press conference, I was like, I understand completely why people think maybe there's a conspiracy around this. Now,

Obviously, right wing pundits, they're out there trying to make the connection of Tim Watts and this Vance Bolger guy, which I understand because if you are on a committee under a Democrat governor such as Tim Watts, the once almost vice president of the United States under Kamala Harris, yes.

you got to think about that. You got to ask yourself, like, it's very strange that he had this connection. And so in the intro where I said, you know, Hey, how did he get these addresses? I actually think he got these addresses based on the committee he was on. Right. So this was a bipartisan committee and,

and he was actually appointed to this committee by the previous governor before Tim Waltz. And then once Tim Watts came into Minnesota, uh, Tim Watts then reappointed him. Right. And actually John Hoffman, which is one of the victims, he did not die, nor him or his wife did not die. They were, uh,

They were wounded. They were in critical condition. I think they're going to make it, it sounds like. But both of them did not die from their gunshot wounds, which is crazy. And then you have Melissa Hortman and her husband that did actually succumb to their wounds. They were dead. They were found dead. But

John Hoffman was on this committee with Vance Belter. And this is I say Belter and Bolter, but the press conference, they say Belter. Yeah, they say Belter. But it looks like Bolter the way it's spelled. Yeah, it looks like. So let's just say Belter. Yeah. So this is a wild story. We're going to get into all that. By the way, do you get to say congratulations, Karen Reed, because she is officially not guilty. Oh, my gosh. I was actually crying for her. And it was just crazy when they were reading the verdict.

And you could hear everyone on the outside cheering for her. Yeah. And I know there's a lot of Karen Reed haters as well. For sure. But there was a lot of supporters for her and it had to make her feel good to know that she had that support and not just a sport, but they donated over a million dollars worth of funds to get her through these trials. Yeah. Because the lawyers like, uh,

Alan Jackson and Alessi and some of these others, they were basically working pro bono. They were working for free. And so they have spent two years of their life working on this case. So to donate a million dollars is good because this mostly housed the defense team. It fed them. It kept them in hotels. It did whatever they could to. I mean, they really didn't make a lot of money on this. They devoted their life to this because they believed enough that Karen Reed was innocent. And at the very least, they absolutely believe that Karen Reed was not guilty.

going to be found guilty because the police department did a horrible job with the investigation. And so it was interesting and it is almost kind of awe-inspiring when you heard the not guilty verdict on the Karen Reid trial and you heard those thousands of people outside. I think they said it was three or four thousand people outside. All in pink. Yeah, it's almost like... To show respect and support, yeah. Yeah, but it's almost like that they...

Um, people finally realize like this is a system that is now against someone because of a shitty and shoddy investigation by the police department and maybe a setup on Karen Reed, maybe on the behalf of one of the people involved in that house. Now we don't know for sure.

the question will be is, are they going to reopen the case? Are they going to investigate further after this? I don't necessarily think so. I don't either. Because even if you think about Karen Reed's fam or not Karen Reed, but John O'Keefe's family, you know, they still probably think that Karen Reed is the one that killed John O'Keefe. Well, obviously, because they're going with a civil lawsuit and they're suing her right now. Yeah. Wrongful death lawsuit. And it's interesting. It's kind of like

the OJ situation. Even though he was found not guilty in a criminal court, he was still found guilty in a civil matter. Yeah. Because you don't have to have as much... Burden of proof. Yeah, burden of proof. Exactly. To find him guilty of that or find her guilty. And what's sad is when she came out there...

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in paraphrasing, you know, I am looking out for John. I am the one that is out there trying to find the real murderer. Yeah. I am not the one. And John O'Keefe's family felt that offensive because they think it's all her. Yeah. And I think they always will. I mean, especially if the

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So the shooting timeline is essentially this. Senator John Hoffman and wife in Champlain, Minnesota, shortly before 2 a.m. Central Daylight Time, June 14th, Bolter knocked, announced himself as a police officer, and then shot Senator Hoffman nine times and his wife, Yvette, eight times. They survived following surgery. Then he went to two other homes. No injuries. Bolter visited the homes of State Representative Kristen Bonner,

In Mabel Grove, no one was home. He then went to state Senator Ann Rest in New Hope, spotted by a real officer at 2.36 a.m., and he refused to cooperate, which you will hear in the press conference momentarily. Then he went to Representative Melissa Hortman and husband in Brooklyn Park, Minnesota. He arrived there about 3.35 a.m.,

So he disguised himself in an SUV in a driveway, Bolter in full disguise, knocked claiming to be a police inside the home. And then that's when stuff gets weird. We're going to let the press conference actually play out. We're going to break down the press conference so you guys can hear why this whole thing sounds weird. Now, I will say that I do pray and we both pray for all the victims of this horrific situation. Political violence is a thing that happens.

is a very, it's, it's, it's very bad. I think it's going to get worse when you have both sides of either political party that consistently try to tell the other that they are evil or Satan or they are Hitler or Nazi Germany or whatever it is. You have people that may eventually get to a point where it, they break, maybe they are suicidal. Maybe they are so sick of hearing the political shit.

They are so sick of hearing that they are the problem and the other side is the, you know, the almighty whatever. Right. And so you will have people come out of the woodwork to maybe do these things. That's why when we talk about like the rhetoric that is on mainstream media where they're consistently, we've heard this with Donald Trump, they've consistently called Trump Hitler. Right. They've consistently said that he's fascist, a dictator, all these things. They've charged him in court with 34 plus felonies that were upgraded from misdemeanors. They've done literally everything.

trying to assassinate him. And I say they, we don't know who Thomas Crooks was. We don't know exactly what the deal with Thomas Crooks exactly or where he came from. What we do know is that Thomas Crooks had many offshore bank accounts worth millions of dollars. And he was young. This kid's like 20 something years old, early twenties. When the FBI and federal agencies went to the house of Thomas Crooks,

It looked like it had been professionally cleaned. They had opened drawers in the kitchen. There was no silverware. There was no plates, bowls, nothing. It looked like it was a model or demo home. Like if you go to a new community and you want to check out what the house looks like, even though I think they usually give forks and silver and stuff like that in the drawers. But in Thomas Crook's case, his house had none of that.

So it was just like the people that have come out and spoke that had been in the house said something was off. It was scrubbed. There's something weird with that. And we don't understand. The FBI then said, well, we can't get into his phone. We have no idea how to get into Thomas Crooks' phone. We don't we're never going to release a manifesto. Very similar to the. That's what I was getting ready to say. I think it's very similar with Vance. What's going on? Yeah. Vance Bolter. But also, you remember the Nashville school shooter? Yeah. Right. She was a trans.

I guess, extremist. She went into this national Christian school. She shot kids, killed kids and also employees. And yet we never truly saw the full manifesto. The only reason the manifesto was ever even leaked was because there was like three or four national police officers that actually leaked it to, I believe, Stephen Crowder.

Once that was found out, there were multiple officers that were fired because of that. And so the interesting thing about this situation is that if you are on the left or you are pro this LGBTQ, trans, Antifa, BLM, you name it. If you do something very heinous, you commit murders.

you're going to be protected to the umpt of the law. They're going to do everything they possibly can to protect your image is what I'm trying to say. They're going to do everything to protect your image. They're going to do everything to protect why you actually did it. But if you are on the right, they're going to at the very least say, Hey, he had 70 names on this manifesto. All of these people were either pro abortion or Democrats.

And they're going to do everything they can to use that against one side of the political fence. Right. I agree. If you're right, then they're going to use it against you. If you're left, they're going to do everything they can for you not to be able to use it against them. I agree with you to a point. But have you noticed it's been in the news at all? No. Is it because Iran and Israel or was this a false flag or whatever you want to call it? Did they put this here? Did they plan this to get our eyes off of that?

Iran-Israel conflict? I'm not sure, but I have not heard anything for two days. And I'm like, why have we not heard any more about his manifesto, where he was planning, what he was planning? Why did he have no King's pamphlets in his car? And he had this huge list of people he was going to. There's a lot of things that do not add up or do not make sense. Yeah. It was almost like when the police officers came upon his vehicle and

He did have these no king flyers. Now, the no kings protest, which happened across the country. This was at the same time the army celebration, 250 year celebration in Washington, D.C. Same exact day. The no kings thing was really started coming after the ice raids in Los Angeles. And then they started ramping up the no kings protest, basically saying that Trump wants to be a king rather than a democratically elected president.

And so why would someone that has so much ideology for the right that wants to murder and assassinate people on the left have no King's Flyers,

in his vehicle doesn't make a lot of sense but also he just happened to have the list of all every single person he wanted to assassinate in his vehicle he had all the things like that would point to him being a far-right extremist except for the fact that he had no king's flyers in his vehicle there's something about this that doesn't make a lot of sense and especially when you guys listen to this press conference i think that you will understand a

Because there's certain things that the U.S. attorney says here that you're just like, OK, how did he do this if he did this? And a U.S. attorney is Joseph Thompson, and he announced that federal stalking and murder charges filed against Vance Bolter, the suspect, obviously, in the shootings of the state lawmakers. Let's listen to the press conference now. Political assassinations are rare. They strike at the very core of our democracy. But the details of Belter's crime

or even worse. They are truly chilling. It is no exaggeration to say that his crimes are the stuff of nightmares. Belter stalked his victims like prey. He went to their homes, held them out as a police officer, and shot them in cold blood. Now, there has been a lot of information and misinformation out there about Belter's crimes. We have filed a detailed 20-page complaint, an affidavit,

that sets forth what happened in this case. I'd like to share some of that information with you now. In the early morning hours of June 14th, Belter went to the homes of four Minnesota state politicians with the intent to kill them. Belter first traveled to the home of Minnesota State Senator John Hoffman in Champlain, Minnesota. Belter arrived at the senator's home disguised as a police officer.

He arrived in a black SUV with emergency lights turned on and with a license plate that read police. Belter wore a black tactical vest and body armor. He carried a flashlight and a Breda nine millimeter handgun. He also wore a hyper realistic silicon mask. All right. I got to pause for a second because. OK, so the U.S. attorney here is saying that he showed up disguised as a police officer.

we have to remember that he was the owner of a security company. So him as an owner of a security company, like for example, I'll give you a good example here in South Carolina. In South Carolina, I don't know how Minnesota's laws are, but in South Carolina, if you are a contract security company and you are hired on a property,

In a lot of cases, you have the same powers on that property as a deputy sheriff. You can, you have arrestable powers. A lot of, a lot of security officers also are armed. You got to go through special training, you know, your firearms qualifications, all of that stuff. And, and,

But a lot of the equipment that he had was obviously based on his security company, even his vehicle, Sherry, right? It had his security company on the side, right? Yeah. And I don't, unfortunately, I did not write the name of his security company down, but it did start with a P and it looked like police in a different language. Yeah. Yeah.

which was really weird. And he even had blue and red flashing lights on his car. Yes. And there are some cases where security companies can actually have blue lights on their vehicles. You got to get it specially approved by the state, all of that. There are also security companies can write state tickets or also known as blue tickets in South Carolina. Those are not all security companies. There are certain security companies that can get those designations to be able to do that.

But this guy in particular, all of his gear that he had on when he showed up at these houses was based on his security company. And if you look at a lot of security officers, like if you just glance at them and they have, yeah. And they had the, you know, the body armor on the outside, you know, or the tactical vest, they have a badge, they'll have a gun, they have flashlights, everything. It looks like a police officer, especially if it's two 30 in the morning, three o'clock in the morning. And you're looking through your ring camera. Now,

the other thing is, is that one of the cameras were positioned downward, right? So this camera was kind of like in a left quarter, uh, side of a, uh, I guess an overhang or a porch. And so it's looking down at the person. A lot of cameras we see today are actually on the doorbell. So you're looking straight out, but this camera in particular was up in the left corner of the porch. And as it looked down, uh,

And the U.S. attorney here says that this is a hyper realistic silicon mask that he had on to make him look like an older guy, even though he is an older guy. But when you look down, this is a bald dude. But looking down on the camera, you can see this like a black shadow in his eyes.

I mean, it looks evil type shit. I mean, this is the thing of nightmares, which is what he says. Yeah. And so if you're looking in this camera view, I mean, first of all, when we have people show up at our house in any way, shape or form, I don't care if you're selling us a security system, which they always try to do. And Sherry has been on that shit before. We regret that.

But they show up at our house. They ring the doorbell. And then there's other randoms that show up at our house, whether it's lawn care or whoever. We never answer the door. Never. Our dog goes to the window and barks, but...

We don't go to the door ever. If we don't know you, we're not opening the door. And I think more people need to be smart like that because you never know nowadays who's coming up to your door when they're coming up and what their intentions are. Yeah, absolutely. And that goes with doxing people and everything.

and swatting people yeah well the other thing too with this is that number one we know that criminals use the police thing as a way to get in people's houses and especially late at night they will show up they will appear to be dressed as police officers or something similar they will knock or bang hard on the door saying sheriff's department sheriff's department this is what actually gangs do in chicago and other places where they are going on their rivals uh

you know, territory, they'll bang on a door, like their police hoping that these people are going to open the door. And this is how they make their entry inside of the house. But also they can do this in various ways, trying to sell you lawn care, trying to sell you pest control. People do that shit. And I, and I always say like, it is not safe ever anymore to answer your door and

If you don't know who they are, and especially if you are a female out there and you don't have a male home or you don't have a way to protect yourself, never answer the door just because the doorbell rings. There's no reason to. It's just too unsafe. If you have a ring camera, if you want to figure out who they are, then talk to them on the thing. But still, even then, if they say, hey, we just want to sell you pest control, we want to do this or whatever.

But they are getting smarter about convincing you enough to open that door. That's all they need. Because it's a lot easier for you to open the door than it is for them to break into a door, especially with dead bullets and all that stuff. Now, we never leave our house unlocked. I am hardcore about that. I am OCD. Sherry can go outside for like 10 minutes. Yeah. And he'll lock me out. And I'm like, Chad, you locked me out again. Yeah. And it's just a habit. I'm always locking the door. But I want to get back.

to this doxing thing for a minute because I think this is a crucial time for YouTubers and podcasters because a lot of people are getting doxed

And it's just like that Nick Fuentes guy. He got doxxed and somebody actually came to his house with a gun intentions to shoot him. Yeah. I mean, I don't care what side of the political field you're on. That doesn't give you a right to go shoot anyone. Well, obviously. But yeah, this guy, I mean, there are extremists out there. I think it was a woman.

No, it was a guy. Yeah. He done murdered two people before he came to Nick's house. And then as Nick is watching on his camera, Nick Fuentes was actually doing a, a live stream of, you know, for a show at the time this was happening. And so he was looking at a security camera and this guy's like pulling out a gun from his bag and all this shit. And so you can imagine kind of what you would feel, but especially if you are like a state Senator or,

or a representative for your state or whatever, never go to the freaking door ever in a million years. You don't do that. Well, I did see a state, a state Senator in South Carolina and he did post something after this happened and he had this huge, like AR 14 thing with a AR 15, sorry, with all these bullets going down the thing. He's like, yeah, come to my door. I'm ready. Yeah.

not putting up with this stuff anymore. Well, you don't want to just the big thing is you don't want to be on the other side of the door if someone does come to your door at two and three in the morning. And this is an unfortunate thing, especially if it is actual law enforcement. But the thing I will tell you, this is what you do. If you ever have law enforcement show up at your house at one or two or three in the morning,

What you need to do if they're representing themselves as law enforcement, you need to call 911 immediately and say there is someone at my door at one o'clock to whatever time it is. Is this law enforcement? They will check for you. That is something that is an emergency situation, because if they are law enforcement, they have a reason to be there for some reason. And they're banging on your door in the middle of the night.

they likely might break your door down depending on what the circumstances are. But also at the same time, it's the safest thing to do is by calling 911 saying, are they supposed to be at my house? Is this law enforcement? That is the safest thing to do because listen-

criminals are getting all new ways to break into your house and to do crazy shit. And there are more and more people that are in this country right now that are nefarious. And we see them all the time. You can go to the grocery store, the gas station, walking along the sides of the roads, uh,

And oftentimes we've had more break-ins around here than I can imagine. I can't even count how many break-ins we've had around this area. And it happens all the time, and especially during the summer. But guys, we're going to get into some more of this press conference. It gets weirder. Senator Hoffman had a security camera. I've seen the footage from that camera, and it is chilling. Belter knocked on Senator Hoffman's front door and repeatedly shouted, this is the police, open the door.

Senator Hoffman and his wife Yvette came to the door. When they opened the door, Belter shined the flashlight in their faces and said there had been a shooting reported in the house. Belter asked if they had any weapons. When Belter lowered his flashlight, which he had shined in their face, they realized that he was not a police officer. They shouted out, you're not a cop. You're not a police officer. Belter then announced this is a robbery and forced himself into their home.

When Senator Hoffman attempted to push Belter out and stop him from entering his home, Belter shot him repeatedly. Belter then shot Ms. Hoffman repeatedly. Belter fled the scene, and the Hoffman's daughter called 911. Unfortunately, the Hoffmans survived, although they remained hospitalized. After shooting Senator Hoffman and his wife, Belter traveled to the home of another Minnesota state representative in Maple Grove, Minnesota.

Video surveillance showed that Belter rang the doorbell at the state representative's house at approximately 2:24 a.m. on Friday night. Again, he was dressed as a law enforcement officer, wearing a tactical vest and body armor, carrying a handgun and a flashlight, and wearing that same hyper-realistic silicon mask. Again, the images, as you can see on the screen, are haunting. Now, fortunately, the state representative

was not home. She and her family were gone on vacation. And so Belter left. Belter then traveled to the home of a Minnesota state senator who lived in New Hope, Minnesota. He parked in the street in that same black SUV with the police license plate. At about 2:36 a.m. on Friday night,

After learning of the shooting of Senator Hoffman, New Hope Police dispatched an officer to conduct a wellness check on the state senator who lived in New Hope. When the New Hope officer arrived at the scene, she saw Belter's black SUV parked down the block with the lights on. The New Hope police officer believed that Belter was a police officer who had been dispatched to the scene to check on the status of the state senator.

The New Hope police officer pulled up next to Belter in his car, rolled down her window and attempted to speak with him. Belter did not respond. According to the officer, he just sat there and stared straight ahead. So the New Hope police officer who had been dispatched to the scene proceeded to the state senator's home and she waited for other law enforcement to arrive. OK, so this is where it starts getting weird. Obviously, this is not that long after he had already shot John Hoffman and his wife.

And so then this female officer was dispatched to this other representative's house or state senator. Sorry, I believe it is. Maple Grove. Yeah. And he was sitting on the street. He was not in the driveway, but on the street, kind of down the street from the house with lights on, I guess. Yes. And I'm just wondering, was he doing that to see because he already left John Hoffman's house?

But interesting enough, when he shot John Hoffman and his wife, his wife shielded the daughter and the daughter was not shot and she was able to call 911. Yeah. So between that time, they don't tell the official time that he went to John's house. But we know the second house he went to, he was at at 224 in the morning. Yeah.

And then 236, I think, is this third house where the police officer said that.

Oh, you're one of us. Are you here for this wellness check? What's going on? Blah, blah, blah. And as she's talking to him, he just stares straight ahead in his car and does not answer her. And then at that time when he didn't answer her, she then drives to this representative's house into the driveway and waits for backup. Yeah. And at that time is when he leaves. Yes. Yes.

Yeah, and the interesting thing here to me, the weird stuff about this is that, you know, it's weird to be that proactive, not weird. I mean, it's a good thing if a law enforcement agency is that proactive to where, you know,

You obviously know, I guess at this time that Hoffman and his wife are shot. The daughter was able to call 9-1-1. Obviously they told the story, Hey, here's, here's who my family is. I would assume this would be the conversation, but then just the proactiveness to send other officers to other houses or other state representatives or, or senators is strange to me. It is a little bit because it's just like, I don't know, like,

That's only probably we don't like I said, we don't know what time the Hoffman residence was. I don't think either way. This female officer shows up. She tries to talk to him. He moves on. Maybe she's thinking maybe this is a federal officer because of the, you know,

the status of these people. Maybe that's why he ain't going to talk to me. And he moved on. So like, whatever, I'm going to go check on these people. Cause maybe this officer thought this person, if there was suspicion there, right? Maybe there was someone wounded inside already. And so that's why you kind of got to go in and you're waiting on backup. And I probably should have,

check the time that it takes to get to Chapman to Maple Grove. That would have probably helped us in the investigation of this timeline. We don't know because we don't know when he started at John Hoffman's, but we do know when he went to the third house, it took him 12 minutes to get from the second house to the third house. And that's where we're at. Yeah. The third house is where we're at. This is where the female officer. New hope. Yeah. This is where the female officer actually sees him.

And then it gets a little stranger because what, when he actually gets to Melissa Hortman's house, this is where everything gets strange. And the descriptions of how they say this happened, doesn't make a lot of sense. Um,

And Sherry and I went back and forth on this because I first when we first tried to record this episode, I thought that he had shot through the door of John Hoffman and the first person. Right. John Hoffman and his wife. There is a picture out there. You guys can go look up. If you look at Vance Bolter or Belter, however you want to say it, it's B-O-E-U-L-T-E-R or something like that. But there's a picture out there that shows like multiple gunshots through a door. This door does not it's not a wooden door. It's one of those metal frame doors. Right.

That likely has, I don't know, you know, that that B.S. wood inside of it that kind of frames the door. But it is still a metal door. But it was able to this this house, which is we find out is Melissa Hortman's house. There is multiple gunshots through this door. And I'll go ahead and just let you know, when you're listening to the next part of this, it took him in a little bit over an hour to get to Melissa's house from the third house over an hour.

Like all the other houses were within 12 to 15 minutes, except for the first one. We don't know because we don't know when it started, but he traveled an hour away. Yeah. And this is when it gets really crazy. Yeah. Let's listen to some more. When they did, by the time they did, Belter had left the scene. Belter then traveled to Brooklyn Park, Minnesota, and the home of Minnesota State Representative Melissa Hortman.

At approximately 3:30 a.m., Belter arrived at Representative Hortman's house in his black SUV with the police license plates. He parked in the driveway and left the emergency lights on his SUV flashing as if he was a police officer. Belter approached Representative Hortman's home, again dressed as a police officer, wearing the tactical vest and body armor, and wearing that hyper-realistic mask.

He was armed and carrying a flashlight. Before he entered the home, two Brooklyn Park police officers arrived at the scene. They, too, had been dispatched to check on Senator and Representative Hortman.

After learning of the shooting of Senator Hoffman, when they arrived. Now, I want to stop for a second, because, I mean, this is in another town. And yet this police department also was dispatched to these representatives houses. And this is how long do you say it took? An hour. So an hour. And let me just remind you to the second and third house he went to. They were not home. Thank God. And that's why he traveled on.

They were on vacation or didn't come to the door or whatever. But it did take him over a little over an hour to get to her house. Yeah. And then it just so happens this police department show up at the same time he gets there here an hour later. They're also dispatched to do a wellness check on these people. Very weird. I don't know what did some. Here's the question. Here's what I'm already starting to think.

Was there Intel already that this guy was maybe going to do this? Did they have some type of Intel on the inside or through, you know, spy and communications? There's almost nothing you can do anymore. And this is something I tell everyone. There's nothing you can do on your phone or on email or on something. If you're out there, you're actively communicating or talking to someone online.

about something that you're going to plan to do, whether it's a terroristic thing or whatever, trust me, there are algorithms and software out there that a federal government will catch that shit so fast. Oh, yeah. And they'll be at your house if they want to be within hours. Yeah, well, probably hours, especially if it's FBI or whoever. But still, this...

When I started thinking about this, I was like, did they know about that? This was going to happen beforehand and almost just kind of let it play out. And it's also interesting to me that the first house he went to, which was John Hoffman's house, he pulls up in the driveway, the second and third house. I'm not sure about the third house, but the second house, I know he was down the street.

like casing out the situation. And he had been casing these people out for months. Yeah. And then the last house he goes to, which is the people he shoots, he's in the driveway again. And by the way, so to your point about casing out for months, you know, they announced this literally like the day it happened.

Oh, he was casing us for months. Oh, really? How do you know that? Was that also in his police vehicle? Well, they said it was his GPS tracker in his vehicle, supposedly. Yeah, but who knows, right? My theory so far, just before we even get into anything else, I mean, we'll get into some MKUltra stuff and all that in a little bit. But my theory is potentially that what if...

Whoever FBI, federal government, some agency knew about this potentially happening or unfolding, which is the entire reason why just miraculously all these departments through, you know, an hour away and 30 minutes away show up about the same time he's there. And what you're about to listen to how Melissa Hortman and her husband dies is pretty wild. It is pretty insane, especially considering if you look at this dude,

This guy is 57 years old. He's not fit or built or anything. He's actually a little bit overweight. This guy does not look like he's going to run away from anything. And anyways, well, and I'm going to go ahead and say it. If you look at the pictures of him in the cowboy hat in his dress after he was in law enforcement officer, uh,

He does not look like the same person. The person in the law enforcement officer pictures looks way more fit, skinnier, thinner. I agree. Not the same dude. Yeah, I agree with that. And then they show the picture when they got him. Right. Yeah. And he's like this overweight kind of guy. His face looks nothing like including also his Facebook. I went to this guy's Facebook page.

as soon as it happened. And so they, they posted a picture of when they caught this guy, right. And his actual face. And then I go to his Facebook profile and he looks nothing like this guy. This guy apparently was a doctor or something. I mean, that's what we first heard. Well, he was a doctor. I think a physiology or something. Yeah. But either way, when you look at any of his social media, cause he actually had his social media pretty wide open. I don't know if he still does. They probably took it down already. Um,

But his social media was pretty wide open. Like recent pictures of who they were saying was the guy that did this looked zero like the guy that was actually caught. So what the hell's up with that? That makes no sense to me either. But how the Melissa Hortman thing went down makes a little less sense. They too had been dispatched to check on Senator and Representative Hortman.

after learning of the shooting of Senator Hoffman. When they arrived at the scene, they saw Belter's black SUV parked in the driveway with the emergency lights flashing, and they saw Belter standing in front of the house several feet from the door. When Belter saw the officers get out of the car, he drew his weapon and began firing. He rushed into the house through the front door, firing into it. He repeatedly fired repeatedly.

Into the house. Okay. So there was some confusion about this as well. Was he firing at the police or firing in the door?

After I've listened to many, many times, it doesn't sound like he was firing at police. He was firing through the door at this time. And it's interesting to get into the house. Yeah, because I asked AI and I said, you know, what was he firing at police? Was he not? AI thinks he was firing at police based on all the reports. No, he was firing to get into that house because he knew the police was up on him. Yeah. So likely if you're going to breach a door, right, you're going to fire into the lock system. If the door is locked, you can fire into the lock system.

You can fire into the actual, you know, I don't know if their door was dead boulder or not, but yeah, you can fire through usually breaching weapons or shotguns, not, not nine millimeter Beretta's right. And that's, that's going to be a lot harder to breach a door that way. But yeah,

The thing is, when you look at the picture, like I said, of the door that was shot to hell and back by someone, it was like all the shots were in the middle of the door. It didn't really look like he was trying to breach the door through shooting the lock or the actual door handle. It looked like every shot was coming through that door. But it's interesting how he explains it further here in just a minute of how I guess Melissa Hortman and her husband were killed. Listen, when he entered.

He murdered Representative Hortman and her husband, Mark. The Brooklyn Park police officers fired at Belter as he rushed into the home, but he escaped into the home and out the back. Officers recovered Belter's 9mm Beretta along with the body armor and the mask behind the home along his path of flight when he fled on foot. They later searched Belter's car.

where they found five more firearms, including assault-style rifles and a large quantity of ammunition. Yeah, and so it says, though, in the official reports that he shot through the door and killing the husband, I believe, in this case. Mm-hmm.

But the way it the way that the actual if you read the news reports, it says that he makes his way in the side of the house, then shoots through the door and kills the husband. Yeah, that does not make sense at all. And they all keep saying this. And none of that makes any sense whatsoever.

But the interesting thing about it is, is that obviously he was shooting through this doorway extensively. I mean, there are probably 17 bullet holes through this door, through the doorway. And that's called the kill zone, by the way. You don't ever want to ever be in front of a doorway, especially like if you're law enforcement, military, whatever. You know that when you stand in front of a doorway, if you knock or you're doing a warrant or whatever, you're

You move out the way. That's a kill zone. Right. Yeah, you knock and you get to the side. If you're going to breach the door, you're breaching it from the side. You're not going to be standing in front of the door because if someone wants to just shoot through the doorway, then you're dead. Mm-hmm.

And so it sounds like potentially the way it kind of sounds, even though they're explaining it completely weird, it sounds like that they were behind the door when he started shooting through the door, which is what actually hit them. But the crazy thing about that is, is that as I was saying, this door was like a metal frame door. It's going to be harder for those nine millimeter rounds to actually penetrate. And that's why I got confused at first, because I thought,

And I think there was actually some reports about it was the Hoffman's actually that maybe their door. Yeah. Well, and their door. Yeah. Yeah. And their door was penetrated with rounds through the doorway. And that's why I was thinking, well, it's like maybe that's probably why they live, because if he shot John Hoffman nine times and his wife, how many ever other times? And they're the ones that lived.

It would make a little more sense to me if he was shooting a nine millimeter through a door that was then striking the Hoffman that they would live, that maybe they would live. Maybe they had a little better chance of living, but apparently that's not the case. It was the Hortman's that they were firing through the door. Exact opposite. And not only did he shoot the Hortman's, but he also shot their service dog. And I just want you guys know how I am about dogs and beagles. And I think it's tragic for all these families. Like, can you imagine that?

what they're going through right now, but I'm talking about their families that are still living. It's tragic for them. Anyways, I just wanted to talk about the dog that Melissa had for a minute. This dog came from a shelter and she was raising it to be a service dog. His name was Gilbert. And they also had to put Gilbert down because he was shot as well. And it's just all around. It just breaks my heart that,

People can be so extreme on one end or another. I don't know what his like. I don't know what the ideology was behind. Yeah, I mean, he was extreme. And I think what I think he was is a radical lunatic. Yeah. And it's not left this time. It's radical right, potentially. And we're not going to pretend to try to make you guys think that he's not right. We don't know for sure. Sounds like maybe he was.

But there's also, you know, if he has no King's protest flyers in his vehicle, that makes zero sense because that's mostly a radical left thing. That is something that they hate Trump and the Republicans for.

And so there are definitely mixed messaging on who this guy actually was. And they're not even talking about it now. No, they're not. But this guy went from preacher to a security company on a committee where they, you know, we'll get into the committee thing a little bit, but that was assigned by the governor in Minnesota. Yeah.

To then somehow getting all of these addresses, all 70 plus mostly Democrats going to their houses and trying to execute them. Imagine what the person that was not home on vacation feels like right now. Oh my gosh. Because they're like, thank God. Yeah, thank God we were on vacation because we would likely be another victim. And he would have probably killed more people. He would have been able to kill them maybe and then also still go to the other houses that he went to. So it's just wild. Let's listen to some more.

Belter also had in his car notebooks containing a list of more than 45 Minnesota state and federal elected officials, including Representative Hortman. Now, Belter planned his attack carefully. He researched his victims and their families. He used the Internet and other tools to find their addresses and names, the names of their family members.

He conducted surveillance of their homes and took notes about the location of their homes. He also prepared in other ways. He concealed himself as a police officer, outfitting his black SUV with police lights and a police license plate, wearing a black tactical vest and body armor, carrying a police flashlight and a handgun. And of course, he wore that hyper-realistic silicone mask as seen on the surveillance videos.

The video of his arrival and shooting of Senator Hoffman is truly chilling. Again, it's no exaggeration to say this is the stuff of nightmares. There's a photo of the firearms found in Belter's abandoned SUV. Based on these crimes, we brought a federal complaint charging Belter with an array of federal charges. Counts one and two charge him with stalking.

Count one charges him with stalking Representative Melissa Hortman using interstate facilities. And that's Title 18, United States Code 2261. The statutory penalties there are life in prison. Count two, similarly, charges him with stalking State Senator John Hoffman using interstate facilities. The statutory—the maximum penalty of that count is 20 years in prison. Counts three and four charge Belter with the murder—

of Melissa and of the Hortmans using a firearm in violation of 18 USC 924J. Count, and these are punishable by term of life imprisonment or even death. And counts five and six charge him with shooting the Hortmans and the Hoffmans using a firearm. And both of those counts also carry a maximum sentence of life in prison.

Now, before I finish my remarks, I want to say a little bit about law enforcement and the manhunt that we've heard about the last two days. Over the past 48 hours, federal, state, and local law enforcement from throughout the state of Minnesota have worked together to carry out the largest manhunt in Minnesota history. Now, a lot has been said about law enforcement in recent weeks, but make no mistake.

The men and women of our federal, state, and local law enforcement put their lives at risk and on the line to keep Minnesota safe. They work tirelessly, day and night, to make sure that the tragic events of Friday night end without further violence or bloodshed. We owe them all a debt of gratitude, and they will forever have my respect and admiration.

Yes. And good job, law enforcement, for sure. Absolutely. And I do love law enforcement. But do you know how he was actually found? Yeah, I do.

Yeah. The interview, which I need to try to see. Yeah. He was found in a field. Yeah. But you know who found him? Who? It was a lady that he was in her land and she had a game camera set up and that's how they found him. Yeah. Well, but also where the end of this manhunt ended was there was this woman that was going down her driveway and saw someone in the bushes or in the tall grass and

And she realized that law enforcement was in this area at the time they were looking for this guy. And so initially she thought, well, maybe this is just SWAT team. Maybe this is just like, you know, them kind of going through the bushes. And this guy didn't even really attempt to get down. And they even said in the interview, they said if he would have just got down, she would have never seen him. Yeah. And he didn't. He was just kind of creeping through the bushes or through the tall grass and

And so she had called law enforcement and said, hey, there's a guy that looks like, you know, I don't know. He's like creeping through the bushes. I don't know if there's you guys, SWAT team, whatever. Guess what? It was him. Yeah. But let me remind you, this is 60 miles away from where all these shootings occurred. How did he get 60 miles away to the new car where he left his hat, where he's in this field? Yeah. Somebody had to help him.

Yeah, so there's a lot of weirdness to this story. Number one, he's married, but don't live with his wife.

Well, he does. Okay. I figured that out. Okay. He is married. He has five children and two German shepherd dogs. He has to travel daily. And I guess he travels so far that he does have a second house where he has these roommates where we're going to do the roommates conversations and interviews. And then we'll get more into that story. Yeah. Let's get into that right now. Let's hear what the roommate of Vance Bolter says about him and who they thought he was.

David and Ron, I love you guys. I made some choices and you guys don't know anything about this, but I'm going to be gone for a while. Sorry. So I just want to let you know I love you guys both and I wish you hadn't gone this way.

I don't want to say anything more and implicate you in any way because you guys don't know anything about this. But I love you guys and I'm sorry for all the trouble this has caused. And what's the other recipient? Ron Ramsey. That's another friend. He doesn't live in the state. Got him. He's going to move up here. So you two were his two best friends? Yeah.

Yeah, I just don't want... Jenny, seeing a splash, I don't know. Yeah, we wouldn't run it big. Yeah, it's all right. It's iReddit. That's... Okay, that's fine. What time was that? What time was that test? I think it was...

617 a.m. today. Yeah. So I just got over here. What did you text her? Judy missed it. I can't read it again. It takes too much out of me. But yeah, I mean. All right. So there's there's the initial when all the media shows up at his roommate's house. This is David Carlson, and this is supposedly his roommate that lives in

in town where Vance comes and stays because he works. And there's a lot of people on the internet giving him a bunch of shit because his shirt said Papa John's, which makes us think that he worked at Papa John's. I don't know. All I know is they were best friends from second grade on. And obviously he is very distressed. I don't think he's telling a fib to get into the media because that's what a lot of people are saying is, oh, he's just trying to get into the, you know,

Into stardom or whatever through this. Even though he did not want to when the media says, can I get an image or a shot of that text message? A screenshot of it. He's like, no, we're not going to do that. Which is strange. But he didn't want to implicate his other best friend that was in the chat message with him is what he said. But if we go on and listen to the other person.

I think they come back the next day, the other interviews. He talks about where Vance was definitely a Republican. He voted Trump, all this stuff, and they ask him more questions. I don't know if we want to get into that or not. Yeah, let's go ahead and listen to this. Can you talk about his politics a little bit? I know that you had some discussions. Well, everyone's calling him a Democrat. He's not a Democrat.

He would be offended if people called him a Democrat. But because of this board thing he was on for Governor Walz, he was just serving the community. But he, you know, he...

I can't believe a political issue would cause him to do such a thing. Did he ever bring up the senator or the representative who were targeted? Like I was saying, no, he never talked about those people. I didn't know all those people. I didn't recognize their names. Any politicians he mentioned? Well, do you mention Nancy Pelosi? They don't like Jim Walz.

Tim Walz? Like Jim Biden? What would you say about him? Well, I mean, nothing. I mean, it's just normal. I don't like that Tim Walz did this. I don't like that he did that. Did he mention the protests that were planned for yesterday? He never mentioned the protests. What do you make of everything that's happened here? Maybe I mentioned it to him, but I don't think he mentioned anything. What would you tell him?

I would tell him to surrender himself so he could be taken alive because he's like my best friend, so I don't want him to get killed. I don't want him to kill anyone else, you know? So I think if I saw him, I could talk him down, but I don't know where he is. And did he listen to any particular podcasts or TV shows or anything online that concerns you?

Well, he listened to Infowars. Of course he did. I kind of told him, said, well, it's like 50% truth. I kind of said, don't take everything seriously.

what they say for granted. So he listened to InfoWars, Alex Jones for the L again. They're doing everything to try to take this guy out. Is it Alex Jones? This is what this is all about. Oh, he listened to InfoWars. Thank God he didn't say Investigator Earth.

I mean, seriously. No, but it is interesting because this guy is out here. All the media is at his house multiple times. He keeps coming out. He keeps telling these stories about his friend, his best friend, Vance Belter. You know, this guy is a one thing he did say at the beginning of this. He said, I can't believe he would ever do anything like this politically. Yeah.

But the one thing he had to mention and the one thing the reporter asked him, which I think was an MSNBC reporter, was like, did he ever listen to any podcast or anything like that? And of course, the guy's like, yeah, InfoWars, you know, yeah, InfoWars he listened to. And so yet again, it's just like, listen, I'm not saying that things are like this particular incident is not true. It didn't happen. I know it happened. There are people that died.

But also we have to think about this for one second. Is that political parties or people or agencies or organizations can kind of scoop up a, an event, something that happens, a tragedy, a politically motivated assassination and use it for their benefit. Let's make no mistake.

You know, when we have seen and what we've seen with the political divide, especially over the past four to eight years, where right now it's like the Democrats have nothing. They have no candidates. They have no promising figures. They have nothing. Everything that they ran on, everyone voted against. That's why Trump is in office. Although I think that a lot of stuff Trump's doing right now is pissing me off.

But regardless of that, there is still something a lot. The Democrats don't have a lot, but it's just interesting that yet again, he listens to InfoWars. And do I think that InfoWars or Alex Jones is going to drive people to go out and murder state senators? No, I don't think that. And if you do ever go murder anyone politically based on a podcast you listen to or a something that and listen, Alex Jones says a lot of truth.

And he says a lot of truth that he has been proven time and time again to be truthful on that stuff that has come out. He's predicted stuff. There's a lot of podcasters out there to talk about things that are against the narrative, against the agenda. And for Alex, he's always preaching about the globalist, the new world order or the one world government system that is being set up and how a lot of these politicians are being installed and all this stuff.

Could that drive someone, I guess, to a politically motivated assassination? Maybe. But that still makes you crazy. There are always going to be crazy people out there. And just the same as maybe a podcaster or something that they're saying, maybe it's the truth. But regardless, it's just like a man that gets pissed off his wife or a wife that gets pissed off at her husband that leads them eventually to where they kill their spouse. Right.

I mean, you know, you can't really blame a lot on that. But if you can somehow pin it on a podcast or a person that talks about a certain ideology or belief system, that's where you get this stuff to where they're going to start using this in some way, shape or form against a certain political group or people.

And that's what worries me with this. Well, just the other night, we saw a dude that was a live streamer get murdered on his live stream. Absolutely. Yeah. And.

And I think it was like somebody that was also a live streamer. Yeah, they were both live streamers. Yeah. And it was in Las Vegas. And I guess the live streamer got murdered. He was talking shit about this other live stream guy. And this live stream guy was like, well, I'm seeing that he's live streaming in Las Vegas, which is where the guy that murdered the other guy. That's where he lives. And so he went and found him. And not only did he murdered him, but he murdered his wife. Yeah. And his wife right before. On live stream. Yeah. As he's murdering her.

Which you can see it on the video. Oh, my God. Is this really happening? Yeah. She was going over there like trying to stop it. And then he shoots her and kills her as well. But and this is the craziness that people get in their head sometime. But I also want to bring up things like MK Ultra. For example, John Hinckley Jr. Could he have been on the ultra whatever they do to your brain? Could this guy have been?

brainwashed in some sense. Yes. We think about MKUltra, we think about all these, you know, we've talked about MKUltra on the show so many times, right? To where MKUltra, and there are weapon systems, there are things that intelligence agencies or organizations have to where they can manipulate people's minds, what they believe, they can somehow, almost in some ways, take control of their feelings, emotions, thoughts,

Even algorithms nowadays, even though this is not anything like we're talking about as far as microwave weapons that can actually influence people's beliefs, right?

There are there are systems. There are far advanced systems. This is not a big conspiracy theory. You guys can go to AI and look this up. Look up the weapon systems that countries have around the world that can manipulate the way you think or feel like the Havana syndrome. Yeah. Kind of. Yeah. Havana syndrome mostly is just to completely destroy and disrupt someone that.

oftentimes it happens with intelligence officers or intelligence community to where they're in a certain country. And while they're there, or while they're in a certain area, they start feeling like they had a stroke. They, they can't think about anything. They're having intense headaches. They oftentimes, a lot of these guys will suffer for the rest of their lives because of whatever that direct energy weapon, because that's what it is. It is a direct energy weapon to where they are microwaving a particular person in their brain.

And this particular person suffers all these effects because it almost radiates your brain to a way that is a directed energy, a microwave pulse weapon going to a particular person. But as we've talked about many times on this episode as well, MKUltra used to be a program and I still think they definitely utilize MKUltra. But MKUltra was utilized in the beginning in the 70s.

and I think even potentially in the back to the fifties, although we don't know and necessarily have a lot of documents on that, but MK ultra was actually, um, was the government trying to figure out ways to manipulate people. They first started with military, uh, you know,

you know, military officers. They then went down the line to, you know, reservist and whoever. Then they started doing this on unsuspecting citizens. And so they would either give them LSD or they would give them all these other things and they would bring them into these rooms and they would try to brainwash them into thinking a certain thing or ideology to where they would potentially be almost like a soldier of war for their country.

whatever their agenda was. So whether it was the CIA, whether it was the FBI, whoever. And so they would bring them in, brainwash them, give them these drugs, do all these things. And then by the time they got out of this MK ultra program, they wanted to see like, can we make someone want to murder people based on ideology or idealistic tendency or belief? And they figured out very quickly they could, right?

Now, the difference in now and then with MKUltra is that now, as we were talking about earlier, there are weapons of war. There are weapons that our intelligence agencies have that they can actually influence your thoughts and feelings and beliefs.

And I know that sounds nuts. I know that sounds crazy. We're not talking about algorithms. Like you're, you're scrolling on social media and you're looking at constant things about one side of the party or the other. We're literally talking about, they are disrupting and, and manipulating your brainwaves with radio or microwave type weapons to where they can influence how you feel. They can make you feel sad or happy or depressed or pissed off or angry. And, uh,

We've we've done episodes on that and it sounds batshit crazy. I'm not saying that this Vance Belcher guy or Bolter guy is an example of that, but we also don't know if he isn't an example of that. Well, he just sounds like he's an extremist in any way, fashion or form. Yeah. And the same thing goes also when I when I'm when I'm saying this stuff about this, you know, direct energy type weapons. The Havana syndrome is one thing.

But then, like I said, as you go and kind of research how they can actually influence your thoughts and feelings and emotions. Right. They can absolutely do that and they can do it in various ways. And I'm not just saying it because this guy maybe was Republican. Right. They could have also done that to the national school shooter. They could have done this to other school shooters. They could have done this to other people that are on the left side of politics to where these people carry out heinous crimes. Right.

It's all very possible. I'm not saying that's true. I'm just saying it that we're going to use this example to say it's possible. Well, I'm the one that brought it up. Yeah, but it is true. MK ultra is, is nuts. If you guys have not listened to our extensive episode on MK ultra, I do advise you to go back and listen to that. I don't remember when it was, but please go back and listen to the episode. Now we also have someone that talks about this as well, about the alleged suspect in the Minnesota shootings. Um,

And his roommate gave the interview. And this woman kind of had a pretty interesting standpoint on what she thought about this. Listen.

I want to preface this video by saying that the events that took place in Minnesota yesterday are horrific. And I also want to acknowledge that I've been on a rant lately about the media sensationalizing stories. That being said, yesterday I had a client in town from out of state all weekend. And so I didn't get to participate in any of the stuff that went on yesterday. And I didn't really get to social media until last night. And I started seeing this clip go around and it's going around again today. And when I saw it last night, it bothered me. And when I've seen it today,

It extra bothers me. I love you guys. I made some choices and you guys don't know anything about this, but I'm going to be gone for a while. You guys don't know anything about this? Then he doubles down and says it again and adds. I don't want to say anything more and implicate you in any way because you...

What in the holiday sauce? I don't want to implicate you guys because you guys don't know anything about this. And maybe it's just the tense that he uses in it. It's very present tense. You guys don't know anything about this. Whereas...

If the text came in at 6.15 in the morning, like he said, it would have been after the events, which means it would have been in past tense. Or for some reason, he formulated the text prior to the events. It would have been in future tense. You guys won't know anything about this or you guys didn't know anything about this. You guys don't know anything about this. But then it gets even weirder. And now he can't read it again?

And then it gets weirder. And now on those screenshots of the text, there is something funky smelling.

about this whole video. Are there any psychology professionals that can weigh in on what it is that's bothering me about this? Or maybe law enforcement types that can weigh in on what's bothering me about this? My gut instinct is that he either wants to be a part of this story and is not, or knows more than he does by showing off this text message that consistently says over and over again, I don't want to implicate you any further because you don't know anything about this. I don't want to dive into conspiracy theories, but there's something about this video specifically that

That it just, it's unsettling in my spirit. I've looked on Google and I cannot find very much about it on Google except the same clip over and over again calling him the roommate. But that guy was married and had kids. It's all.

All right. So she makes some good points here because she's talking about, number one, there were some things that we did not point out in when we actually first listened to that. Number one, he's talking about you guys not know anything about this and you guys didn't know anything about this. He said this twice. And it's almost like, you know,

why did you emphasize that multiple times? But then when this new reporter shows up on the scene and he said, Hey, can you read that one more time? It's not like it was a very long text, right? I mean, he could have easily read that pretty quickly, but instead he's like, no, I don't want to do that. It just, it really upsets me when I read that and I just can't do it again. Sorry, you missed it. And then, you know, he talks about again, you know,

He kind of just keeps reemphasizing this. Like, was this an actual text? He didn't want anyone to take a screenshot of it at all.

So that's that's maybe why people are thinking, is this guy full of shit? Is this actually his roommate? And especially considering the Belcher guy, Bolcher, whatever the hell his name is, obviously had money. Yeah, he had money. He lived in a big house, but yet he stayed in this shitty house. Right. In this area with this random dude that was supposedly his roommate when he traveled and

But was this guy just making up this text off the top of his head, maybe? And that's why, number one, he wasn't didn't want anyone to screenshot it. Number two, he couldn't recite the text because he couldn't remember it word for word like he did and said it the first time.

Um, or could it be that maybe certain parts of that text were not in the text? Like you guys didn't know anything about this. He reemphasized that twice. We don't want to implicate you. And this was at 630 in the morning or whatever. 617 in the morning. The next morning. Yeah. So which is it? Is it that he added things to the text or is it that.

There was no text at all. Or is it that he's hiding something much bigger? And also, I do want to play a quick clip of Hoffman. I mean, not Hoffman, Hortman of Hortman, Melissa Hortman, when she voted against Democrat lines about immigration, because we've not even played that. And that could be.

very well a reason why he went and hunted her down. And so before we play this clip, by the way, this is Melissa Hortman, and she was one of the lone Democrats, and there were a few, but there was only a few, that voted against giving illegals health care. And so she was one of those that voted against this, right? So...

You would think, especially with such a big thing like illegal health care. And this was highly publicized. I think it was like six hours. Oh, was it six hours? Yeah, six hours. So six hours before this all went down. And she's out there. She had voted against this. She was on media. And this is what she said just hours before she actually was assassinated by Vance. Listen. People will be hurt by that vote. And I'm...

We worked very hard to try to get a budget deal that wouldn't include that provision. So, yeah, there she is. And she obviously is weird. Like she's crying. She seems distraught or scared or something that she voted against party lines about giving illegals health care. And that's something that a lot of people have come out and said, like she seems completely distraught.

And this is literally hours before she is assassinated by this Vance Belter guy. And she was one of the only ones that voted against illegal health care. I mean, I'm talking about free health care for illegals, which is still asinine to me. I mean, the fact of how much health care problems we have in this country is

to where there are so many of our own citizens that, you know, die because they don't have health care. And yet what the past four years has done, especially for illegals, the people that came across our borders illegally and made their way in the country, the Democrats set them up with everything they possibly could to,

to give them the best life they possibly could while at the same time spitting in the face of their own people. And this is what we saw in the UK. This is what we saw around the world, Australia, many places in South America. They spit in the face of their own citizens while yet still inviting any and everyone across the borders that gives no shit about this country whatsoever. Not all of them, but a lot of them.

And, you know, they give them everything they possibly want. And this woman, Melissa Hortman, voted against giving illegals health care. This was one of the last things she did in her life that she felt like she could not do. She could not get behind. And then when she came out in that press conference and it wasn't just that press, there was there was a couple of other interviews that

Where she said, we cannot do this. Like, what are we doing, basically? I mean, do you know how many Americans die because of their lack of health care? And yet we're going to give illegals that are here illegally health care. And she was a Democrat, you know, and she went against completely what was so pressured on this particular faction of representatives to do.

And then come to find out hours later, she is assassinated along with her husband. Now, John Hoffman, which was also on the committee with Vance, you know, he probably should have been killed, I guess, with his. I mean, if he was shot nine or 12 times, how many ever times it was along with his wife. He's very lucky to be alive. I would still like to know what the connection there was, because obviously Vance Belcher had everything.

If he had 70 plus names, although in the press conference it says 45. Right. But if he had 70, he had to have picked the most important ones first. Like, who are the people I'm going to make sure that I kill? Obviously, John Hoffman was number one because that's where he went first. He wanted to make sure if I get called after this, I want to make sure they are dead, even though he did not accomplish that. And then the second person and the third person that were not home or did not answer the door. And then the fourth person, which was Melissa Hortman and her husband. Yeah.

So these were the most important four on a list of 70. The question is why? And that's what we have to dig into. We have to figure out why there is going to have to be extensive research done on why these people may have been the most important people on his hit list. But we at least know that Melissa Hortman was one that did not vote on this particular issue as far as illegals. Yeah.

Sorry, Cher was dying there, but we're I think we're back. Sorry. But yeah. So, you know, and Melissa Hortman, she was one of the ones that did not vote on this. Now, we don't know if this is has anything to do with actually why he assassinated these people, but is compelling at the very least. Like, why did this happen? We're going to have to break all that down.

And the weird thing is John Hoffman was on the committee with Vance Belter. He did not necessarily know Vance, but he was on the same committee as Vance was. So they did probably at some point in time, at least come into contact with each other. They probably spoke at one point in time, although they're out there saying that they didn't know each other on a personal level and they probably didn't, but I'm sure that they communicated in some way, shape or form at some point in time.

There's something that don't pass the sniff test on this entire thing. And it's interesting, especially considering that this guy is supposedly a right wing extremist. But yet mainstream media, all they want to talk about is Iran, Israel. They don't even want to talk about this anymore. Why is that? Because it's one of the things I've always said, like if all mainstream media is on board with taking out Iran, then we should not probably agree with that.

Anything all of mainstream media is all on board with. That's all they're talking about. Yeah. Everyone. Anything they're all on board with, we should definitely run the other way. And anything they're trying to cover up or hide, we should also be thinking about that as well. Now, Sherry, I want to briefly talk before we get off here about his wife. Absolutely. So his wife. Now, she was apparently maybe implicated in this. Is that what we're hearing?

Yes, absolutely. And let me remind you, he has a wife with five kids and two dogs, and they had seven cars. I don't know if people knew that, but he had seven cars. That makes me understand how he had one car here and one car there. But I still don't understand how he got from...

The scene of the shooting to 60 miles away to another car that he had where he left his hat. But yes, his wife was also stopped and detained for a short amount of time. She was never arrested. But while she was detained, she had firearms, ammo, money and a passport. I don't normally drive with my passport. Do you know? No, she knew something.

Obviously she knew something was about to go down. She might've been a part of this bigger plan of whatever was going to take place.

And it goes back to even the roommate guy. Like, what the hell is his story? And why was he not allowing the reporters just to, I mean, why would you not allow a reporter to take a screenshot of whatever the text is from this killer that supposedly is your best friend? Makes no sense. And then also when they, a new reporter comes up and shows up, obviously you want to be all over media. And all of a sudden you don't want to recite the text message again for some reason. Or let them screenshot it. Like you can like blast.

the names out if you don't want your friend implicated. Yeah, well, that doesn't even make sense. I mean, yeah, why would if he says this is his friend, who's the friend? Was it the wife? Was it someone else? Well, there was three people in the chat. He didn't want the other best friend implicated. Well, I mean, they're going to be.

Obviously, they're going to have every single text message that guy's ever sent. They're going to know all the numbers, everything he did, everything he planned. So I don't even think that's true. Like, it's not like this guy is going to, you know, oh, my God, I accidentally told all my friend that was in this chat as well.

The federal government is going to know everyone that Vance Belcher ever came in contact with, probably in his entire lifetime after this investigation. But David Carlson, the guy we're talking about, the roommate, was supposedly the one that actually called the police. Yeah. We don't know for sure, but that's what it sounds like. But, you know, they didn't find him because of David Carlson. I think we found them because of the woman that just happened to be in the right place at the right time. Yeah, for sure.

Yeah, this is an interesting story, guys. We wanted to talk about this. I mean, it is a little late as we're talking about this because it has been, what, a week now? This is, I guess, since happened. Well, it was this weekend. Yeah, it was this weekend. But let us know what you guys think. Do you think there's something fishy about this? If you have new information or just your thoughts and theories on this, please let us know. Reach out to us on X, Facebook, Instagram, or Investigate Earth podcast at protonmail.com.

And guys, we're just kind of waiting to see what unfolds with Iran and Israel, because I think there is so much going on. I know basically everyone's talking about that right now. We just recently did an episode on that. That is our last episode that we did. And right now it's like the world is waiting on what the United States does. Is Donald Trump going to bring in these bunker buster bombs to destroy Iran?

probably the biggest site that Iran has. And Israel has officially said today that if the United States does not bomb this facility, they're going to send troops in. Yeah. And Iran's saying...

F.A.F.O. Yeah, basically. Yeah, because here's the reality is that most people look at Iran is like kind of rolling over. They're basically a lame dog right now or lame duck, as they call it. You know, you can't really it's almost like they're not defending themselves. But Iran does have a military and Iran.

Most people say that if Israel does send in their military or the IDF into Iran, it's going to be a suicide mission. They're going to destroy the shit out of thousands and thousands of soldiers. And how desperate is Israel to take out Iran? That's what we're about to find out.

But guys, we will be back as soon as we find out more information on that. Until next time, we love each and every one of you guys. And make sure you go and visit our store, which is investigatorstore.com. And prayers to the families. Absolutely. For sure. Prayers to the families. Absolutely. There's no political violence that should ever happen. But unfortunately, it does in the world we live in.

By the way, we got a great episode coming up very soon. It's going to be part two of the book of Enoch and we're going to bring James back on the show. So be looking out for that. It'll probably happen in the next three or four days. Till next time, guys. We love you. Peace out. Peace out, guys. They can.

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