Was Scott Spivey Murdered | The Horry County Case Officials Ruled Self-Defense
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Hello and welcome to Investigator Earth Podcast. I'm your host Chad alongside my beautiful wife Sherry. On tonight's episode, we're turning our attention to the mysterious and unsettling case of Scott Spivey, a man shot and killed in Horry County, South Carolina in an incident ruled as self-defense by Weldon Boyd. But not everyone is buying this narrative. From conflicting accounts to suspicious gaps in the investigation, questions are piling up.

Was this truly a justified shooting or is there a deeper story being buried? Could this be another case of small town connections shielding the truth? Join us as we examine the facts, explore the inconsistencies and consider the growing whispers of conspiracy and cover up in the death of Scott Spivey. Guys, welcome to the show. It is May the 10th, 2025.

And I'm pretty excited about this episode because obviously this is, again, in our backyard. We just recently had another episode in our backyard, like really our backyard. We talked about Sheriff Chuck Wright and all the corruption potentially that's surrounding Chuck Wright. He's being investigated by the FBI. And for those that do not remember that episode, I do encourage you guys to go back and listen to it. It's getting pretty big numbers right now. And for good reason. I think that when you start looking at just kind of the overarching story

aspect of corruption in general. Most people always think that it's only the big time elites in government. It's only our politicians in the higher echelons of government. But when you start actually looking closer and you start looking across departments across the country, we've had so many people write in saying, hey, I have this thing that's going on in my county or my local police department. We've had tons of people reach out to us since then.

And Nick, we are joined by Nick Duncan and Brittany Duncan. Brittany actually kind of brought this case to our attention. We've heard about it off and on for the past year or so. And obviously, after Nick came on our show talking about Sheriff Chuck Wright, we had to bring them on for this episode as well, because obviously this is in South Carolina. This is in a very prominent and well-known tourist section of South Carolina, Myrtle Beach area.

I used to live there for six or seven years. Brittany and Nick, welcome to the show. We're very glad to have you. Thank you. Yeah, not a problem. Now, Nick, obviously, one of the things that we talked about in the Sheriff Chuck Wright episode was, you know, everything kind of surrounding the corruption in Spartanburg County. And we see this quite often. Right. And I think that's one of the things that you ran against Chuck Wright on.

was, you know, hey, here's what I want to do with the department. Here's how I think I can be better, obviously, than my opponent. At that time, it was Sheriff Chuck Wright. And obviously at this time, you didn't necessarily know everything that was about to come out about your opponent, because had you have known that then, things likely would have went much different in that election than happened.

But with this case, and as you've learned more about the Scott Spivey case, I guess there's similarities here, right? I mean, people covering up for others that they may know, even though maybe in Spartanburg, maybe there were people that covered up some of Chuck's inconsistencies or some of the things he may have been doing for a while. Is this common in law enforcement? Are you seeing more of it today? What is your thoughts on that? No.

Maybe not necessarily in law enforcement, but politics as a whole. It is. That is why I encourage term limits for everything is because the longer you're in politics, the more susceptible you are to, you know, corruption and buying into the whole power. And, you know, somewhere between the eight and ten, eight to twelve year mark, you know, you'll start to see.

politicians have a shift. Yeah. And, you know, you eventually get enough contacts where the essentially the good old boy system is in full effect. Yeah. I think that's what we're going to find here.

Yeah, absolutely. And do you think, though, to like the good old boy system? I mean, there's been books written about this. We actually had some lady come up probably two or three, four weeks ago, and she came up to us and she was like, hey, have you guys read the book about the good old boy system? And she was trying to tell us all about this. And I think she kind of knew we were likely going to be doing an episode about the Chuck Wright thing. And so she started telling us about this. Is the good old boy system just something in the southeast or is this maybe just everywhere? It's just part of connections.

No, it's everywhere. You know, in the South, it's the good old boy system because, you know, it's just the South. But, you know, it's everywhere, especially in politics. But it's, you know, you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours. One hand washes the other. You know, it's everywhere. Yeah, it is. And Brittany, you brought this this case to my attention. Why were you so interested in this case?

Well, Jennifer Spivey Foley came across my For You page on TikTok, and that is Scott's sister. And that's what...

brought my attention to this. And then, you know, as I started looking at it and I knew that y'all had a large platform. And so I was like, well, maybe, you know, they can discuss it and bring more awareness to it. So hopefully that the Spivey family can get some justice for Scott. And guess what happened? I said, Brittany, why don't you do it with us? Absolutely. We had to bring you on. And they were like, well, we got to get Nick on too, because I think Nick can offer some insights and aspects of this that we don't have. Absolutely.

Yeah. So some of the things we're going to cover on tonight's show is we're going to cover the initial and original 911 call where Weldon Boyd actually called 911. And this was during the pursuit or chase of Scott Spivey. Now, this all kind of stem from a road rage incident. And so on September 9th, 2023, Scott Spivey, a 33 year old,

from Tabor City, North Carolina, just across the border of Myrtle Beach, was fatally shot on Camp Swap Road in Horry County. Now, the incident followed an alleged road rage encounter involving Spivey and North Myrtle Beach businessman Weldon Boyd, along with Boyd's friend Bradley Williams. Now, Boyd and Williams claim self-defense under South Carolina's Stand Your Ground law, stating that Spivey brandished a firearm and fired first. Consequently, no criminal charges were filed against them.

Now, Nick, I'm going to bring you in real quick. What is the stand your ground law? So the stand your ground law is if you are somewhere that you have a legal right to be, whether it's at a friend's house, a restaurant, somewhere out in public, anywhere, and something happens, whether it is someone is threatening you or threatening other individuals, you do not have rights.

You do not have to flee. You can essentially stand your ground to protect yourself and protect others. Okay. And for those out there that are listening that are not in South Carolina, because obviously most of our audience is outside of South Carolina, you

We do have a constitutional carry now in South Carolina, Nick, which just passed what last year, I believe it was. That's right. So you can constitutionally carry a firearm, whether it be concealed or open carrying. Obviously in North Carolina, you have an open carry, so you can open carry in North Carolina, but you cannot conceal the firearm. And it's always weird because when you're traversing from South Carolina, North Carolina, especially for people that, you know, you can conceal it in South Carolina, you cannot do that in North Carolina. So if you get pulled over, you always got to kind of be aware of what the laws are per state, right?

But in South Carolina, we are obviously a state that believes in our gun rights, which is why the constitutional carry amendment was passed and pushed so heavily. We've had this in many states across the country, such as Texas. I believe I think Florida also has a similar and I think Tennessee, maybe Arkansas. There's a lot of people in South Carolina that are armed and armed.

They're armed because, you know, we do believe in the Second Amendment. We do believe in our constitutional rights to carry a firearm. And that is because if you look around the world today, which if any of you have been listening to our podcast for any amount of time, you will understand why people carry firearms. This world has drastically changed everything that used to be back in the 80s and 90s when I grew up. There's things I just feel like are much more dangerous.

Is that something you've seen in law enforcement, Nick? It's just a shift in just the way people are nowadays as far as you probably should carry a firearm if you can just to kind of protect yourself in these days. Yeah.

Yeah, people have a short fuse these days. You know, it's it's crazy. You know, before road rage was just throw up your hand and shoot a middle finger and go about your business. But people want to pull over and fight and carry on. Yeah, absolutely. Now, as a sheriff or patrol, would they prefer people to have their gun where the police could see it or not?

Does it matter? I'm just curious. For, to me, it didn't really ever matter. I mean, you're not going to see what you're not going to see anyway, but you know,

I always appreciated somebody just saying, Hey, I do have a firearm. It's in the glove box or I have a firearm. It's on my side or whatever. And you know, don't shoot me. I don't want to shoot you. That was my thoughts on it. You know, you have a right to have a gun. And you know, if you tell me you have a concealed carry, then I would assume that you had a concealed carry. You know, if, if we cross that line and we figure out you don't, you know, we'll cross that bridge later, but yeah,

I always appreciated it, but it, you know, obviously it's not necessary because like I said, if I don't know, I don't know. Yeah. And, and I want to bring up to some of the characters in this story that you're going to hear tonight. Uh, in this case, obviously has been fraught with controversy and is primarily centered around the conduct of Horry County police department and its officers. So,

Number one, officer misconduct. Sergeant Paul Damon Biscovi. He was terminated after body camera footage revealed him displaying a note to Boyd and Williams at the crime scene reading, act like a victim and camera suggesting coaching during the investigation.

And then you have the conflict of interest. Former deputy chief Brandon Strickland, a close friend of Boyd, resigned amid allegations of influencing the investigation. Recorded phone calls between Strickland and Boyd indicated that Strickland assured Boyd of protection and had a role in selecting the investigators for the case.

And so we're going to play some of those clips a little bit later in the show. And then you have evidence handling. An internal investigation by Horry County Police Department uncovered the several dash cam videos related to the incident were mislabeled, quote unquote, raising concerns about evidence management.

And so there's a lot of weird stuff about this from the conversations of Weldon Boyd with some of the officers, in particular Brandon Strickland. You had kind of the scene, you know, who came out to the scene, why these particular people came out to the scene because of Boyd's connections potentially with this department. There's so much to talk about here. And I think the very basic

best thing we can do from the very beginning is get into the actual 911 call where we hear what happened and what led to Scott Spivey's death. Listen. 911, okay, CVM, R&C. Hey, I've got a guy pointing a gun at me driving. We're armed as well. He keeps throwing the gun in our faces. I don't like he's about to shoot us. If he keeps this up, I'm going to shoot him. Where are you at? On Highway 9. He's trying to run from me now. We're on Highway 9 headed toward Loris.

Do you have a cross street? We just passed Marlow Circle. We're past the Marlow Circle. We're heading towards Loris. I'm going to squint from the hallway. Y'all need to get this guy off the road. He's aiming guns at people. He ragged it. He was about to shoot at us and pulled our guns out. I don't know what this dude's problem is. I'm towing a fucking couch, and he just pulls up next to us and aims a gun at my fucking friend's head. Okay, what's your name? He's in a black Chevrolet. His license plate is...

It's a Michigan, what did I say, North Carolina weighted tag Chevrolet black pickup truck. Yes, he's aiming guns. Listen, this dude shoots at me. We're going to put him down. I mean, this dude's insane. Are you following him or is he following you? He's been following us. Now we're behind him.

All right. So this is the very first part of what we got to talk about. The dispatcher just ask Weldon Boyd, are you following him or is he following you? Well, we're following him now, but you know, he was following us. We also have not yet heard Weldon Boyd say that he shot at them. He said that he was waving a gun, but there was no shots fired at this time. Now, obviously in this particular instance and circumstance, you have now someone that is following Scott Spivey.

And where this, you know, stand your ground law starts to maybe unravel here a little bit. Nick is like, well, you're following this person now. Now, Nick, if you call the police and, you know, someone did wave a gun at you, like what is your rights? Or at least I guess what should you do in this circumstance where you want this person to be caught? And obviously he just gave the tag number and the description of the vehicle. I believe. What is he doing wrong so far?

Well, if if Spivey was chasing him, OK, you were the victim and you have a right to defend yourself. You do not have to flee the stand your ground law. You do not have to flee. However, he tells the dispatcher he was chasing us, but now we're chasing him. So those roles completely flipped at that point. Now you become the aggressor.

No, I agree. But I still don't understand this. And Brittany, maybe you can clarify this because what it sounded like in the beginning of this whole crazy situation is that there was a break check. And when there was a break check, Weldon went into a ditch with his trailer and his couch. There's a lie coming up right from that. And then he gets back on the road and starts chasing Spivey. But who's break checking who?

Yeah. I mean, it sounds like maybe that, you know, Scott may initially have break checked them, but I, you know, I don't really know. Cause he said that he, they, that Spivey was chasing them. But if he, if he did, if he slammed his brakes on, wouldn't it mean they would be in back of him? Yeah. Yeah. Well, maybe, maybe he break checks Spivey.

Yeah, or maybe he did that and then ended up running off the road. But we know for sure that Weldon ran off the road with his trailer. And then when he got his couch back on the trailer and got out of the ditch is when he started following Spivey. And he said, and we'll hear later, that his truck is super fast. He has a TRX truck. So he was going to catch up to this guy. And at that point, like Nick is saying, he is now following Spivey. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, by the way, Dodge TRXs are they're not cheap trucks. Number one, they get about a thousand horsepower. Very, very fast vehicles. And this is something that Weldon will continue to say in this 911 call. I had a couch and I had a couch and I had a couch and, you know, he he ran me off the road. But it almost sounds like to Sherry's point that he ran him off the road by brake checking him to where he had to almost weave around or into a ditch to

Where it sounds like from the entire story so far that we've heard, I have yet to hear at least, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but I've yet to hear Weldon say that Spivey was behind them. Or he said he came next to him and was waving his gun. Yeah. It makes me wonder what took place before this. Yeah. Yeah, because he said that Spivey was chasing us, but now we're chasing him. So at what point...

did y'all change places? Like you can't break check from behind if he was chasing you. That's less confusion to me. Yeah. And so that's weird from the very beginning. All right, let's listen to some more of this. We've got pictures of him holding. I've got pictures of him aiming the gun at us, everything. He's about to put the gun out again. Sir, this guy aims that gun at me. We're going to have to shoot him. Did it start with a road rage? He just pulled up next to you? I didn't do it. I was talking to my friend. We're trailering couches.

And this dude just, my buddy's like, what the fuck? And he's got a gun aimed at us next to us. Then he tried to slam on brakes and wrecked me, ran me into the grass. He just swerved at me. I need a trooper fast. He may shoot at the cop too, man. Tell the cops we're in a white Ram pickup truck and we are armed. I'm military, so it ain't us. Don't shoot us. But this dude's fucking nuts.

Did he say anything to you or just point the gun at you? Nah, he's turning off the road. We're going to keep trying to follow him. But if he starts shooting, dude, I don't know. All right, so he's turning onto Camp Swamp Road. All right, so obviously you're hearing he's still chasing him in this circumstance. Yeah.

Like, what is dispatchers doing wrong here? Go ahead, Brittany. Well, for one, he he started to say holding his gun and he changed it to aiming. And I mean, that got my attention. And then also he says, I'm military. So already Boyd's using his title from the very beginning to gain credibility in the situation.

And when he was aiming the gun, they did take pictures. But from the pictures, it looks like they're behind him. But maybe they're like swerving back and forth. And you know how people fight on the road and they're back and forth with each other, but next to each other maybe. Could very well be one overtaking the other, going back and forth, back and forth. Yeah, because they're hauling couches. Right. But once Spivey is in front, if this was a law enforcement chase, then...

Then, you know, the things you have to consider when being in a chase is the safety to the public. And, you know, how fast are you going? What is the threat to the public? And, you know, right now the threat is between Spivey and Boyd. So if Spivey is ahead, then he is no longer a threat to Boyd. So what...

Stand your ground. OK, if you're going that way, you can, I guess, claim to stand your ground. But if he is turning on to Camp Swamp Road, then, you know, unless you're going the same direction, then you can't really claim to stand your ground. Yeah. And do you think that him by Boyd saying, listen, he's put it waving his gun. If he shoots at us, we're going to have to put him down.

What do you think that means? That's a foreshadowing term. You know, that's that's a movie term that is, you know, for things yet to come.

And things are about to come as we're about to hear in just a moment. And leading up to this podcast, and I know that Nick and Brittany, we've talked about this with you and we're going to talk about in a moment. But last night we had a guy in our telegram, our telegram. We have a lot of our listeners that kind of, you know, we typically do live streams or live audio streams with our listeners. We have a had a dispatcher last night that, you know, dispatched and knows this guy.

And one of the first things he said was, number one, the dispatcher did not do what he probably should have been doing by telling Weldon Boyd to stop charging.

chasing, especially in a circumstance where you have someone waving a gun and then you have Weldon Boyd on the phone saying, hey, we're going to have to put him down. This is obviously leading to a very bad situation. And so far in this 911 call, we have not heard dispatch try to deescalate the situation and

by saying, hey, look, we have the tag number. We have a description. We have whatever we need. You know, you need to stop chasing, stop following. This is only going to get you in a bad situation. Our dispatchers train typically, Nick, to deescalate, especially in road rage incidents, because I'm sure road rage stuff happens all the time.

Oh, yeah. I mean, as a dispatcher, you're not supposed to escalate the situation. You're supposed to de-escalate the situation. And I'm very disappointed to hear that the dispatcher did not do that in this case, at least, you know, unless there's another tape out there somewhere from, you know, prior to this call. But this dispatcher just seems very, you know, not to armchair quarterback it, but seems that very lackadaisical, I guess. Yeah.

No, I agree. Should have should have definitely, you know, canceled this chase or at the very least told him to back off. You know, let us get there. We'll find him. You've got his tag number. You've got a picture of him committing the crime, appointing and presenting.

Let him go. We'll find him. We'll deal with it later. It's kind of interesting that we talk about this. And I didn't think about this until just a moment ago. But I have a second cousin that I actually didn't even know lived in the area that we live in, you know, in the upstate of South Carolina. And it was in South. It was in Spartanburg County, actually, probably three or four years ago. There was a chase. And I'm not exactly sure why.

I think it was maybe Duncan or Welford or one of the departments actually was chasing this vehicle. And I think they went on the Welford exit, if I'm not mistaken. They were chasing a charger, I think. And my second cousin pulled out of his driveway, I believe it was, or whatever it was, and got hit because this chase was like over 100 miles an hour chase, you

Went up through 85, got off the exit, went down this road. And then my second cousin got hit by the car. I think it was the I think it was the car they were chasing, got hit at over 100 miles an hour. He died on the scene instantly. And these are these are the dangers, obviously, in chases. And this is why there are protocols in law enforcement, Nick, that you, you know, back in the day, it would seem like, you know, cops would chase you no matter what.

And I think since a lot of things have happened, they've done a lot more for trying to protect the public better. Is that how you would say it? Absolutely. Especially with technology now, you have video cameras in car video cameras. You have, in this case, you have a cell phone, again, of him committing the crime. He's given him the tag number, given him the description. He has a picture of it. They're traveling. I don't think we've figured it out yet, but he's traveling over 100 mile an hour.

to catch up to Spivey and to chase him down. Like there is a serious threat to the public there. Yeah, absolutely. And Brittany, how, how many miles was he following him for? Oh, I think they were a little over nine miles, nine miles. Yeah. That's a long time. You think about going from,

Well, I can't really do a point. Yeah, don't do that. From here to there. From here to there. Yeah, from here to there. Now, I know Highway 9 in Myrtle Beach, North Myrtle Beach area. Highway 9 is, you know, decently, I mean, I guess you can say decently desolate, but I think this is kind of towards the evening time when this happened or at least, you know, late afternoon. It was like 530, right? Yeah, late afternoon. Yeah.

Yeah, so you have a lot of people on the roads getting home from work or going home from work, going to eat. So you have a two lane highway situation. And although what we're not going to play on tonight's podcast is there were many 911 calls. And if we played all the 911 calls of people that were kind of around the situation that kind of saw what happened, there were ladies calling that had kids in the car, which, you know, that's obviously something very not regular that you're going to see in your everyday life.

And so let's listen to some more of this 911 call and see how this thing transpires. What road? Camp Swamp Road. He's stopping. He's stopping. Hey, we're about to have a fucking shootout, dude. This dude's got a gun. He's got a fucking gun. Do you have an address where you stopped at? Where at? Hey. I can't. I can't put it in gear. Are you guys shooting? Hello? Hello?

Right here, you can hear this is where the shootout starts. You can hear those like pops in the background. And come to find out, Weldon Boyd is now shooting through his front windshield. Both of them are. Yeah. And so, Brittany, you had sent us a clip that kind of highlights this a little better to where you can hear it a little better as far as what actually happens in this moment. And this is even when his...

His friend Bradley Williams. Bradley Williams says, why didn't you leave him alone? And you can hear it more, I guess, just more pronounced on this clip. Listen. Reload. Back it up, back it up, back it up.

So there's his partner. And I'm going to cuss because I'm going to say what exactly he said. He said, why couldn't you fucking left him alone? Yes. Now, obviously, his partner sounds like that. He realized we're probably maybe about to go to jail for murder. This was kind of his mindset. What do you guys think about that saying right there?

Well, that says a lot. And with Boyd, what I find funny with Boyd, you know, not funny, haha, but, you know, we were talking earlier about the foreshadowing. You know, he says, as we're stopping, we're about to get in a shootout. How do you know you're about to get in a shootout? Yeah. Unless you kind of were planning, kind of knew this. You were looking for one. You were looking for a shootout the whole time.

And with that being said, Brittany, tell a little bit about his background that day. What was going on in his world that day that could have even maybe led up to this?

Well, it had been reported that Weldon's fiance, who was seven months pregnant at the time with Boyd's child, had recently left him for another man named Benji Spivey. I don't believe he has any relation to Scott Spivey, but it's reported that Benji and Scott favored one another. They're about the same age and drove similar trucks. They both had facial hair.

So, I mean, it's is it possible that Weldon thought that Scott was Benji? Is it possible that Boyd went out that day looking for Benji because his family was falling apart? Or is it just that there was no mix up and all coincidence and that this is just, you know.

Maybe what was going on in Boyd's personal life had him on edge and contributed to his state of mind. And that's, he basically gunned down Scott over Boyd.

I mean, yeah. Yeah. And it's weird because we say on the podcast, yeah, we say on the podcast all the time, there's no such thing as coincidences. And there may very well be here. Right. I mean, we don't know. We don't know. We don't. It is weird, obviously. Very strange. Well, in Benji, the one that he his wife was having or his fiance was having an affair with, his dad's name was Scott Spivey. Isn't that crazy? What a coincidence. And just that day, he had listed a eleven thousand dollar realtor.

that was five carats. And then I think he listed her car, right? Yeah, I think so. What did he buy the car for or something? She put the ring, the engagement ring inside the car and left it that day. So Weldon sounds like he may have a little money. I mean, he's driving a TRX, I think is what maybe the truck was. He bought a vehicle for his fiance, a nice ring. But

But the interesting thing, too, is like, let's just do a little conspiracy theory sidebar here, as you might call it. The crazy thing about this is, as you guys are about to find out, that Boyd had a lot of connections in law enforcement in Horry County.

And I know my time in Horry County, you kind of know that, you know, the good old boy system is a thing. It's a thing, not necessarily in a bad way. Right. I mean, you if you're a business owner or maybe you're a firefighter in Horry County or you're a police officer or whatever the case is, when all of the tourists kind of descend on Myrtle Beach, right.

And you are in this, especially in law enforcement, especially as a first responder in those months that you are constantly on the go. And that's law enforcement. That's firefighters. It's like a blur for about, I don't know, four or five, six months. I mean, you are the busiest you're ever going to be. And then the offseason comes and kind of everybody goes home.

But when everybody goes home, you really start to see in Myrtle Beach in that area, this camaraderie that kind of takes place. And it's not just from law enforcement and firefighters, but it's the business owners, it's the restaurant, you know, everybody in that community really kind of knows everybody. It's funny when you look at Myrtle Beach area and you think of millions of people that are usually there in the summer. But when you take the summer aspect out of it, you have a small community. You have a community that is very connected. They're very tight. And especially the people that are

you know, business owners or first responders or whoever that's in this area, a lot of people get to know each other and they feel like that, you know, because of we're kind of like the forefront of the battle against the tourist kind of, you know, every four or five, six months, there is a camaraderie there. And even with business owners, um,

And so, you know, it seems like people that might say, well, how does this Boyd guy have so many connections in law enforcement? I don't think Boyd's the only person, right? I mean, you go to anywhere, you go to Hilton Head, you go to, you go to anywhere that is a huge tourist attraction area and you have restaurant owners there.

Go ask any of those restaurant owners if they are connected or no law enforcement in some way that, you know, if something happens, who are they calling? Go back to Murdoch, for example, the Murdoch murders and how influential he was in South Carolina and law and his entire family. And there's a lot of people that speculate like did or was Murdoch.

you know, Murdoch coached at the crime scene of when that happened. We don't know for sure. There's a lot of still unanswered questions in my mind about what happened in the Murdoch case, which we also covered. But this is not necessarily uncommon, this thing. Now, I don't know if that's the way it is

Like, say here, Nick, in Spartanburg County, I mean, did you ever see any stuff like that? I mean, how how connected was the sheriff's department, Spartanburg County with local business owners or, you know, was there people that were prominent in the county that could make a call when something happened to where your guys were like, maybe you would investigate it more? And I'm not saying you particularly, but, you know, the department.

Absolutely. I mean, we called them, honestly, you know, in the department, we called them friends of Chuck, FOCs. So, you know, I worked in investigations and, you know, if Captain called up and said, hey, we got an FOC, Captain probably wouldn't say FOC, but, you know, Captain called up and said, hey, you know, I need you to take care of this. In one instance, it was a missing chicken. It was a chicken. I was about to say, tell the chicken story. We had to get two investigators off of their normal caseload

to go investigate a chicken because the owner of the chicken was an FOC. So, I mean, it happens everywhere. You know, it shouldn't. I mean, everybody should be treated equally, but it happens everywhere. Hey, if you ever become sheriff, nobody better mess with my chickens. That's right.

Or our beagle. Yeah, or our beagle. But I think it is a good thing for law enforcement to have a relationship with the community as well. Right. It's very important to network and support those people in the community. But at the same time, you don't have good old boys and girls who protect you.

Their own, no matter what, even if it means bending and breaking the law. When the law comes into effect, like the law is the law and, and, you know, we don't help people break the law or we don't help people get away with law. You know, we're not defense attorneys. We are the law.

Yeah, Nick. And how many times have you saw Nick? Obviously, there's a tons of videos out there on the Internet that show cops. They're pulling over other cops that maybe they got hammered that night and they are pulled over and, you know, they'll show their badge and, you know, the officer will smell alcohol in their breath.

usually the off duty officer that is drunk. He'll be like, Hey man, look, I'm one of you do like, come on, you gotta let this go. In those particular cases, I always cringe. It's weird to watch those videos sometimes because I cringe because it's not, it's not that I cringe at like the guys even, you know, asking for a favor in some ways, in some weird way in my mind, I'm always like, yeah, the cops should let him go and like drive him. I know that sounds bad.

Which is why I'm not going to be a sheriff. Yeah, that's not good. But you feel bad because you know their career is about to be destroyed. Their career is over. But that's also the case in some ways, you know, with other people that get pulled over for DUI. But there are cops that do hold up their end of, hey, I'm going to abide by the constitutional oath that I took. Right. You didn't take an oath to the Constitution just for your friends and family.

You know, just to protect them. You took it to protect everyone. Just because we're in the same field. I mean, I get the, you know, I've got your six. You know, you are willing, just like the military, you are willing to put your life down for my life. I'm willing to put my life down for yours. We're going to protect each other. I've got your six. You've got my six. However, if you were breaking the law and you were driving drunk and you were putting the...

the public at risk and you were putting my wife and my children at risk because you're driving drunk. Don't expect a professional courtesy with that. That is not something, you know, you were putting me in a bad position. You were asking me by, you were asking me to, to hide my integrity and compromise my integrity. And that's just not right. Don't put me in that position. You're being a really,

trashy friend. Yeah. By putting me in that position. Yeah. And, and, and, and also when, when you start that kind of analogy, you know, the, the analogy of, Hey, look, man, I'm one of you. Like, that means that you don't give a damn about his career, about his, um, you know, integrity, you care about yours. Right. And so that's, that's a selfish thing to start to do. But you know, if you're drunk and stuff and you're in your car, of course you're going to do that. Well, and that

That doesn't happen just with law enforcement. It happens with government lawyers. I mean, everyone. Nancy Pelosi's husband. Judges. Yes. Yes. Because he was also called DUI. But that DUI case disappeared because, you know, that's a higher echelon. So you're not going to have that thing, you know, go on. But for law enforcement, it's important that you, you know, you you.

to maintain your integrity of the public, you know, to the public. Yeah. And I always love seeing the videos when you see that. And even though, you know, I got your six, like you said, Nick, and you got mine, but I'm still sticking to the law and you're breaking the law. And this is what's going to happen. And I'm so sorry. I am still your friend. I love you. But I mean, I'll still be there for you. Yeah. I'll be here for you. But get your shit together. Yeah. I love you. I'm going to pray for you. We're going to get through it.

But you're going to pay for what you did. You've got to be held accountable. I have been, just to be straight honest, I have been pulled over while on duty.

And, you know, a town officer come up and then they give me their whole spiel and I give them my driver's license. And then they're like, oh, you're a cop. Like, yeah. They're like, well, why'd you let me go through all that? I said, buddy, you do your job. Yeah. You do what you're supposed to do. If I deserve a ticket, by all means, give me a ticket. And they're like, well, I mean, are you working? Yeah, I'm working. But I mean, I just wasn't paying attention to the speed limit. Well, you know, okay. You know, if I deserve it, give it to me. I mean, that that's my integrity. That's your integrity. Just because we're in the same profession.

you know, that's just where I stand. Yeah. And by the way, that's, that's called, you know, okay. So there is something called professional courtesy and I've seen it happen with my brother. My brother, you know, has been a cop somewhere in North Carolina. And so there was a time we were coming back from somewhere. He was speeding a little bit. He, he gave his ID because his ID, his wallet has his badge in it and whatever. And it was a trooper and

And he's always like, you're you're long for it. Yeah. He's all right. Have a good day left. Right. And my brother was only going like 10 miles over to speed limit. But that's one thing. Right. He wasn't drinking. Well, a lot of times they'll do that for regular citizens. Exactly. It's officer discretion. But when you get into situations like this and this is where everything turns, you

When you have a case where this guy's not law enforcement, but you know, he did just tell you he is military, even though he isn't military. I mean, maybe he's reserve or whatever. I don't know. Maybe he was military, but,

But when you get in a situation like this, the good old boy system where, hey, I'm your friend, bro. Like, and make sure that I am protected. Get here now. Yeah. Don't shoot me. Don't shoot me. I'm military. Yeah. Make sure you don't shoot me. I'm military. And, you know, I'm hauling couches. Let's listen to some more of this because there's so much more to unpack. And we're already in 39 minutes. But I think. Back it up. Back it up. Back it up. Are you guys shooting each other? Boss, please. Boss, please.

Are you guys shooting each other? I mean, maybe at least he could have said, hey, you guys probably shouldn't be shooting each other. But anyways, continue. Are you guys shooting each other? He aimed and shot. He held his gun and aimed right at us. Dude, please come help us, man. Has anybody shot? I don't know. Dude, I don't want to go over there. This guy will try to kill us. I don't know if he shot or not, man.

He shot fucking first. The dude shot at him. Why the fuck would he do that? Where are you at? I'm on Camp Road. You turned off from 9? You're on Camp Swamp Road? Yes. This dude, he fucking shot at him. Why the fuck would he do that? I don't know. Man, what the fuck? Man, he might be dead. We don't know, man. Why the fuck would he do that? Why did you fucking do that?

And this man right here sounds like he is just in rage. And I am one of those people that travel with a firearm everywhere we go. It doesn't matter because I'm always like, Hey, if a situation occurs to where I have to protect myself or my wife or whoever I'm with, I need to be able to use my farm to protect myself. But again,

Also, understanding that any time that you present a firearm, you better be ready to use it and you better be ready to go and live with the consequences of that action. And so even if you can carry a firearm in South Carolina, like we talked about earlier with the constitutional carry,

That's one thing. But to make the decision to use the firearm in a particular circumstance, and especially considering the fact that you follow this guy for nine plus miles, he turned off on a road where I think Camp Swamp Road was actually leading back to his house. Right. So he was trying to get back to his house. So now, obviously, you you go from this main type of highway, which is Highway 9 to

And so when you turn off Highway 9 on Camp Swamp Road, it is a two lane road. You have right and left lane. It's a very narrow road. There are trees kind of alongside the roadway. It is a very narrow road. You're getting into kind of the woods. You're getting into the the narrow back roads of this area. What it sounds like to me at this point is that, you know, Scott Spivey realized that he is not getting away from this truck anymore.

And yeah, because we got to remember that they went into a ditch with the couch and they had to get the couch back and get out of the ditch and then catch up with him. Yes, they had to catch him. Yeah, they had to catch him. We're talking speeds over 100 mile an hour to catch him. Yeah. So you're on this two lane road. Now, if if you're being chased now, we don't know, by the way, at this point when they turn off on Camp Swap Road.

you know, what is the mindset? What is the situation? What is the, what is, what is the story here? Like you have the TRX that is behind Scott Spivey. You're not going to escape that vehicle. If this, if this is a TRX Dodge, you're not escaping that truck unless you're in like a Lamborghini. And maybe even in that case, you may not escape a TRX.

And so you're not going to escape this. And I think in almost some ways, maybe Scott Spivey stopped in the road to, to be like, Hey dude, quit following me. That's exactly what he did. He didn't want to lead him maybe back home, Nick. I mean, is that, is that kind of, you know, he's getting close to his house. So both, both individuals, you know, Boyd and Spivey obviously had some sort of adrenaline dump at some point. So let's, let's just say that Spivey is the one that, that,

initiated everything get did you know break checked him running him off the side of the road even even drove up beside him before he did that as he was coming around flash his gun because he was going too slow or whatever so you know he's got his adrenaline dump and by now he's thinking damn I messed up like I shouldn't have done that now I got this guy following me so now I'm trying to get away and he's

traveling super fast, 100 mile an hour or however fast they're going for over nine miles. I just want to get back home. So I turn on my road. I'm not going to lead him back to my house. I don't I don't think anybody would. So what do you do? You stop and you're like, hey, quit following me or whatever. Maybe if I stop, maybe he'll just pass by. Here's the question for both of you, Brittany and Nick.

What if Scott Spivey, knowing what we're about to find out in this podcast about Weldon Boyd's connections in Horry County, keep that in mind for a second. Say that Scott Spivey turns off on this road. He then stops in the road because, you know, he's like, hey, you're going to quit following me. But what if Scott Spivey would have got the shots off?

To the pursuers at this point, because they are the pursuers and he gets his shots off into Weldon Boyd and the person in the passenger seat and he kills them. Would Scott Spivey now be in jail for murder? Absolutely not. He'd have been 100 percent justified. He would have been standing his ground. Yeah, he's he is the only one in this situation at this point. He is the only one, in my opinion, actually standing his ground.

Yeah, but what if the investigation told a different story? Well, what if just them seeing that it was Weldon and the connections that he has? I mean, yeah. I mean, I think...

Should it had happened, you know, like if it was reversed and Scott shot and killed Weldon and Bradley, should it had happened that Scott went to jail? No. But with Boyd's connections, probably would have. He would have. I think so. Now, during the 911 call, Brittany, he says he shot at us first. He shot at us first. Do we know for like.

that he even shot anything? I don't know that we know that for sure. Because there's no shots in their truck. The only shot. Well, I think that there was. Oh, in the tailgate. Right. In Scott's truck. That's right. I think his sister had to call three times to have, three or four times to have evidence come and taken out of Scott's truck whenever she met with the insurance adjuster and stuff like that.

But I mean, I also think that it was clear to Scott when Boyd turned down Camp Swamp Road that Boyd was committed to following him. He didn't keep going straight down Highway 9. He was committed that he was going to follow him and continue. And it was an inevitable shootout no matter what. Unless law enforcement would have been in the area,

And could have intervened at a certain point in time, which, you know, Highway 9 to Camp Swamp Road, that's out there. You know, it's not somewhere law enforcement necessarily is going to be. And we have to remember that Spivey had been at a bar previous to this and had been drinking. He was drinking and driving and had a weapon, which is a big no-no. So I guess we got to put that into perspective.

the situation as well. Right. Right. And thinking about, thinking about Boyd, thinking back on it, I'm just cutting in. Sorry. So, you know, Boyd mentioned that he racked his gun earlier in that 911 call. He said he pointed it, he racked it, he pointed it at us going down the road. And then did he not say that again, that he got out of the truck and he racked his gun again? Like how many times do you need to rack your gun? Yeah. It doesn't make sense. Yeah.

And the thing, too, is he's saying he pulled out his gun and he racked it. If Scott was looking for a gunfight when he pulled off on this camp swamp road, do you not think that it would have already happened, that he would have already racked his gun and ready to go? Yeah. I mean, it seems to me that he just wanted to intimidate them and show his gun so that they would back off and leave him the hell.

Intimidation factor, just like a home defense. It's better to have a pump shotgun because everybody knows that universal sound. Yeah. Somebody breaks into my house, they hear that sound, they're like, oh, shit, I better get out of here. Now, Nick, with what I just said, I just want to ask you,

What Chad was asking you, he was standing his ground. But what if he was drinking with a weapon? Would that change the circumstances? I mean, it does. It does. You know, he may have gotten, you know, in trouble for that. But as far as protecting his life, he would not have gotten in trouble for that.

You know, he may have, you know, caught some charge about carrying a firearm, you know, unlawful carry or whatever. Maybe some other charge, but he would not have been charged with murder. He would have been charged with, you know, anything like that. Yeah. And then you got, I mean, it really sounds to me like Boyd's pursuing a gunfight. You know, he's saying it's, it's going to be a shootout prior to him even pulling onto Camp Swamp Road. It's going to be a shootout. We're going to have to put him down. And he still turned down that road. Right.

Right. Yeah. And keep in mind, too, it's like, you know, when you have a situation to where your fiance just broke up with you, gave back your diamond ring, gave back the vehicle. And was this the same day? Same day. Same day. Yeah. So see, that's what's crazy to me is like it is crazy. Listen, it's.

Sherry and I used to not be so loving to each other at times. I'm just gonna be honest. But at the same time, it's like if you have this mindset and you get into a situation, say you're pissed off as hell, you are mad at the world. You were you were hauling couches and you were going down a road and and some dude just lightly screws with you. Right. And I've had this. I've had this before. I've been pissed off before on the road. And listen, it does not take a lot.

you know, if you drive around, especially South Carolina, for some reason, I don't know what the hell is up with South Carolina drivers, but well, in the lights, the lights are on. The red lights are crazy. I don't know. Yes. But like you just get pissed off sometimes. And, but what leads you from that to like, Hey, I'm going to escalate the situation to the maximum degree. And there's always something I always talk about with the videos I see all the time. And I think maybe Nick, we talked about this on the Spartanburg County episode where the

You know, there are these guys that they're First Amendment auditors and they go to law enforcement places and they try to kind of instigate stuff. And and there are some officers in some departments that do very well at this and handling these situations to where they're saying, you know, hey, look, they have a right to film. They have a right to do whatever they're doing.

But then there's some officers, it seems like they had a really bad day or really bad morning. Maybe their wife hates them. Maybe their entire family structure is just completely screwed. And you can maybe usually tell those people that just escalate everything.

And it almost seems like Weldon was in the perfect mindset, potentially, that it was the wrong day for this particular thing to happen. And he almost wanted to get out everything from everything maybe he was feeling. I'm not a psychologist. I'm not an investigator. I'm just saying that it just...

It was like the perfect possible scenario, potentially, that his fiance was leaving and all this stuff. And then this happened. And the dude was named Spivey and all that. Right. And it also could be that he was trying to show up for his friend. Yeah. Yeah. That could very well be part of it. You know, just trying to...

get a little bit of his, what is it? Mojo back or something, you know? Well, when you get into a stressful situation like that, you know, if, if you're thinking fast enough, you know, everything moves in slow motion, the adrenaline dump and all that, you know, you, you have an outcome in your head, like where you think this is headed. And,

And it's kind of like riding a motorcycle. You look where you want to go and it's the same thing. Yeah. It's if, if you were already in your mind, I'm going to have a shootout, then there is a good chance that that is possibly where you're headed. However, if you're, I'm going to get away from this, get off the X, I'm going to go.

You know, then when Spivey stopped, guess what? You just keep driving. Yeah, you're you're exactly right. I mean, yeah, when when you're thinking about this and he's he's kind of predestined in this and he's saying, hey, we're going to we're going to have a shootout. We're going to have a shootout. We're going to have a shootout. He is essentially preparing himself.

For what is to come. He's probably in his mind. Like that's where his mind is going. That's, that's where he is, you know, subconsciously. I believe that is where he was directing his mind and that's where he was directing his actions. Yeah. And not to keep on with the dispatcher. Cause I mean, he didn't shoot anybody, but the whole, where are y'all at? You know, like, okay, you should have already known where they are. Like he told you they were turning on onto that road. Like, you know, that's gotta be,

I mean, if you're responding to a call, you know, and you know that there's guns, you know, there's road rage, you know, there's speed and all this stuff like that's got to be frustrating to respond to that call.

If a dispatcher is not telling you exactly where you need to be going, you know, is that even a factor in all of this? Like, I don't know. Are the cops even responding to where they even need to be going to? That is that is a good point. And, you know, the dispatcher could have used to been a cop that was in corruption. Now he's a dispatcher. I don't know. I'm just kidding. But he might be friends with Strickland. Yeah. Who knows? But let's listen to the rest of this 911 call. And then we're going to get to the personal phone calls.

from Weldon, which may shed a lot more light than even what we're talking about here. Listen. How quick can you get me a cop here? They're coming. You think you hit him? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. One hundred percent. He got out, held the gun up.

And then he whacked it, and when he whacked it, I tried to put the truck in reverse and get the fuck out of here, and then he shot. I don't know if he shot my truck. I don't know where it hit, but as soon as he shot, man, I shot back. I can't risk my fucking life like that. I understand. I can't hear. I can't hear you. I'm in my truck, and it's loud. I've got to get out of my truck and see if this dude's alive or not.

Bye. Hey, you should have said, no, you probably should not get out of your truck. Leave him there. Stay the hell in your truck. Well, just two seconds later ago, he's like, man, I can't go over there. He's going to shoot me and try to kill me. Although

Although, you know, he slumped over in his car and he's dead. And he can't risk his life after he's been going 100 miles an hour down Highway 9. Exactly. Driving crazy and reckless. And you can't hear what the dispatcher is saying because you just shot through your windshield. I'm surprised that you can even see at this point. Oh, yeah, all that smoke.

Probably the shards, the glass shards. I mean, you know, that's like the thing to do. You know, you see law enforcement do that. They shoot through the windshield sometimes on like the worst case scenario. Right. And that's never Nick. And you can probably tell this, but that's like the worst case scenario because you don't want to shoot through windshields because it could disable you from the fight.

From the shards of glass, right? Well, I mean, the shards of glass and then you can't see through the windshield. Now. OK, so now it's just shot through my windshield. Can I see the suspect anymore? And, you know, it is so that's the last ditch effort.

Yeah. And so then so he pulls up on this. Now, listen, let's just say that Weldon Boyd is correct here with what he says about when when Scott Spivey got out of the vehicle. And the first thing he says, he was racking his gun. So basically, it sounds like he didn't have one in the chamber. But yeah, he kept saying he was racking his gun throughout this whole process. So how many times you got to rack your gun to get one in the chamber? I mean, that's the question. And number three, I guess, on what I'm trying to say is that.

He was rocking his gun, which means that, you know, yes, if if you want to give Weldon Boyd any type of credit, if if

If say that the situation was completely different, you did not follow him for nine miles. You did not go over a hundred miles an hour and chasing this guy down, even to the point where he turned off on the road, where he was headed towards his house, which obviously Weldon Boyd would not necessarily know where this guy lives. But the guy eventually stops in the road and now he is out of the vehicle, racking his weapon, and he is about to potentially shoot Weldon.

At Weldon Boyd in that particular situation, if this thing was just random, you're behind a vehicle, they stop in the middle of the road. He gets out and he starts racking his weapon to shoot you. That's where stand your ground law would apply.

If everything that we have listened to so far did not happen. Is that correct? Even if you are following the person. Yeah. Well, you're behind the vehicle. Yeah. I'm just saying, regardless of the following things, say the guy in front of you is break checking, um, whatever. And then he gets pissed off at you and he stops the car in the middle of the freaking road. It gets out of the vehicle. He's racking his weapon. He's about to shoot you at that point. Then the standard ground law would still apply, but everything leading up to this particular circumstance, uh,

negates that in my mind, Nick. Right. Yeah. I mean, I can, I can see that with, with Boyd. I mean, Boyd does not have to run away. Okay. If he was just, you know, forget everything else. If he just, if, if Spivey stopped on the side of the road and he was like, what is he doing? What's, what's, what's this guy doing? And he stops and he comes out with a gun. Okay. Now Boyd has a stand your ground. But you know, like you said, with all this other stuff that was going on before that negates everything with Boyd,

And then the only one with the standard ground is Spivey. Yes, 100%. And I want to make that clear because I think that, you know, in this last part of this 9-1-1 call where he's like, well, we had to do what we had to do because he got out of the car and he was dragging his weapon. You followed him for nine miles. You were probably on his ass. You were probably right at his bumper. We don't know that for sure, but I'm just saying.

You have a TRX. He's not outrunning you. Oh, just wait until you get to the personal calls, Chad. I know, but listen. Here's also the thing. Let's forget the weapons, for example. One of the things we've talked about on the podcast before, and I know this is getting a little bit conspiratorial, but the CIA...

where you had Mike Pompeo and I think it was, was it Julian Assange or was it? Yeah. I think it was Julian Assange. Yeah. That he said he wanted him. Yeah. So, so Mike Pompeo, there was a leaked document from Mike Pompeo, CIA guy at the time, CIA director. And there was a leaked document that showed that they wanted to get rid of Julian Assange. And so one of the ways they wanted to get rid of him was they wanted to involve him in a traffic accident.

They wanted to set up a situation to where they were basically chasing a vehicle, rammed the vehicle off the road, killing him. However, they needed to do this just to get him out of the conversation, out of the sphere. Now, this is a leaked CIA document. And this happens all the time. This just happened to Virginia Jufri, by the way. And then she was found suicided.

Two weeks later. Yeah. She had a bus accident, supposedly. And then all this stuff. But what I'm saying is a vehicle alone can be a weapon. I mean, if you're being chased and say you're say you're whoever it doesn't matter who you are. If you're being chased, a vehicle alone can kill you instantaneously, especially if it's a Dodge Ram TRX. It's got a thousand horsepower. It is hauling ass.

I can't tell you how many people have died in traffic accidents from situations like this. So it's not just a gun thing. You are technically if you're Scott Spivey and you're being chased for nine miles, you're fearing for your life of this at this position. I mean, if if the circumstances would have been reversed and there would have been a drone video of this entire situation and you see what we think we we are hearing here, Scott Spivey could have legally got out of the vehicle and shot both of them.

And maintain the stand your ground law defense. And this is just from the 911 calls we're hearing. This is not from any of the other leaked calls that have come out. Yeah, absolutely. All right. Let's listen to the rest of this and then we're going to get into the personal calls. Do I get off the phone? What do I do? Do you have another mag? Hand me another mag. How far from 49 are you on Camp Swamp Road? Do you want me to check to see if the guy's alive or not?

I wouldn't get too close in case he shoots again. How far from Highway 9 on Camp Swamp are you? We're right off the road. And I don't know what that sound is right there, but it almost sounds like gunshots again. I mean, I could be wrong, but... It does sound like the same that we heard earlier.

And that's what, like a minute later, he just said, get me another mag. Right. He just asked for another mag. Yeah. Right. And is that is that a kill shot?

I don't know. That's a good question. Is that the final, you know, okay, it looks like he's still breathing. I'll pop him one more time. He's like, give me another mag. Give me another. Why do you need another mag? Yeah. If you're already done with it. And I don't know, by the way, I did not count all the shots we heard. Yeah. Yes. All speculation. We have no idea. We're just kind of speculating here, but I don't know. I didn't count how many shots it was that we heard prior to what we just heard, but there

There was a lot. But basically the rest of the 911 call is just saying, hey, dude, I need to call my mama. And this is going to come up in the personal calls in a minute. So I don't think we need to play. And another good point Nick made whenever I sent him that video also or that audio also is he had no problem putting it in reverse after they shot. In the beginning. He said, I can't put it in gear and then.

Yeah. What would they shot? Then it was like he put it right in reverse. Miraculously works again. Yeah. How many shots were fired? Was it like over 40, 40 rounds? Yeah. Over 40 rounds. Well, OK, listen, but listen, 40 rounds. But what would cause you not to put your truck in gear? I don't understand. You're looking for a gunfight. Yeah. OK, so so a firearm. OK, I don't know. I don't know what weapons were used, but let's say it's 15 round magazine.

Okay, so there's two in Boyd's truck. That's 30. And then, okay. Bradley Williams was shooting. Did they tactical reload? That's what it sounds like. But how many times did Bradley shoot? Do we know? Yeah, they both shot out the window.

Yeah, but it looked like if you look at the actual image, it looked like everything come from Weldon Boyd's side predominantly. Bradley shot too. I know. But Boyd said he was he knew he killed him. Yeah. So, OK, so the next part we got to play is some of these personal phone calls. And this is the initial part of the personal phone calls. Yeah.

with Weldon Boyd and some of the guys, both law enforcement and also family. And then we're going to get into kind of the really crazy stuff to where you start hearing the relationship between Weldon Boyd and law enforcement. And then at the end of this, we're going to break all this down. And at the end of each clip, we'll break it down. But we're really going to break down what the entire scenario maybe means for

In relative terms, because there's so many people talking about this. And if you're the public and you're hearing something like this, the Scott Spivey case, and you're hearing about this, this connection with law enforcement and Weldon Boyd being able to contact certain high positions in law enforcement to where he's like, Hey man, here's what's happening. And then you hear how law enforcement responds to him as normal public citizens. You were probably thinking, well,

How the hell do I not have these connections? Like, how do I not have the same benefits that maybe Weld and Boyd potentially had in this case? And I think that's the most important thing is like we have to hear this out from a standpoint of is it corruption or is it not? Let's listen to this unredacted.

between both law enforcement, family, and what Weldon Boyd said after the fact. Listen. And before you do that, I just want to mention the only reason we have these phone calls is because he had put a voice recorder on his phone because he was going through a custody battle with his unborn child with his fiance. Yeah. And he forgot that he had this pre-recorder on. Yeah, for sure. All right, let's listen. I got people. I got a judge. I count a judge. I've got...

Brandon with the SWAT team. What's up, man? Brandon, where are you at? At my house. Can you come to Camp Swamp Road off of 9 like as fast as possible? Yeah, what's wrong? I had to shoot somebody. What? You had to shoot somebody? He held a gun at us. He ran us off the road. We stopped to try and get the stuff on the trailer because we were hauling a couch. He got out, pulled a gun, started shooting at us, and we had to shoot back.

Yeah, they're all here. And I've got witnesses that watched them run me off the road, that watched them hold the gun out the window. We have a picture of him holding the gun out the window. And then when he was in front of us, he got out the car, racked the slide, aimed it at us, and started shooting. And we shot back. And then when he got back in the car, we quit shooting. And then he started shooting again, and we started having to shoot again. Yes. Yes.

I've got to be real careful with that because in my jurisdiction, we're an investigating agency, so I've got to be careful that I'm not showing any... I know that. It's self-defense. And we've got witnesses that are all saying it's self-defense. I just... I'm a f***ing nervous wreck, dude. I'll slot out there, but I've got to be real careful. You know what I'm saying? Okay. All right. You know, it's just... I just don't understand what in the world was...

going through his head i mean all right so that was him calling brandon strickland he is telling brandon hey i just had to shoot somebody you know uh i need you out here right now and he said he said i'll slide out there so this was the first encounter of him trying to call his favors in for his local law enforcement buddies now who is brandon britney in this entire saga

Brandon Strickland is the chief deputy of Horry County Police Department. And what I found interesting is that Boyd, what he tells Strickland of what took place is not matching up to what's on the 911 call. He's telling Strickland that Spivey ran him off the road. And because they were hauling a couch, which is a third time that we've heard about this dang couch that he's hauling. So it makes you wonder why.

What's up with that? That's very strange. But anyways, he says that him and Williams had to stop and try to get their stuff back on the trailer.

He makes it sound, he made it sound like it was, uh, like, like they run off the road and they got out of the vehicle to go get the couch situated back on the trailer or something. Right. And he's saying, but Scott got out and pulled out a gun and shot. And then they had to shoot back, but he leaves out important information. Like they chased him for nine miles going up to a hundred miles an hour that he pursues Scott down a secondary road. And that Scott pulls over and gets out and yells at him to stop following him and to leave him alone.

Before any shots were fired. Yeah. And so. No, that's weird. And that is weird. Yeah. So he's calling his guy here. Right. And he's saying, hey, man, you got to come out here. You have to come here. And this is important for later conversations that we have to where there are personal conversations between these two to where Brandon ends up not rolling out there, which will understand why he did not later.

But Brandon did sounds like send someone out there to make sure that everything was good. But he did not want to kind of muddy the waters with the Weldon Boyd and Brandon Strickland relationship and friendship.

And so at first he's like, well, let me get my pants on. And I think Brandon probably was thinking in his mind, like maybe I should not go out here. And he just said in that conversation, just so you know, we are the investigative agency. Now, Nick, what does that mean? That means they are the ones investigating this case themselves.

So we got to be very careful about what I do in this particular. Right. It's their jurisdiction. So they're going to be the ones to investigate it. The only way they would not investigate it is if there was some sort of, um,

issue between, between the victim suspect and in law enforcement or what have you. So it, in my opinion, at this point, he should have recused himself at that point and said, Hey, you know, nevermind. I'll come on out there. I'll, I'll support you. You know, we're friends or whatever, but you know, we're going to have to pass this torch. We're going to have to call Florence County or whomever sled or whoever to come investigate this because now we're

The waters are muddy. Right. Yeah, that's interesting. All right. Let's listen to some more. As this conversation goes on, it's going to move between the conversation between Weldon and Brandon and family and some others. Listen, they just lost it.

And this is Brandon Strickland he's talking to now. Listen. Wow. Hopefully they do a top screen on them. Yeah, they will. They will. Because originally the...

Do they know how many times he was hit or anything?

They'll do the autopsy either today or tomorrow. I don't know. But I was up through it last night talking to them. I was working. I was in the shadows last night. I weren't there, but I was in the shadows. But I'm going to tell you, I told Jay last night and I talked to Daniel. I said, it's one of the hardest things I think I've ever dealt with, having a friend of mine involved in something like that. And I can't be there for him.

You were there for me, and I fully understood what you were saying. I mean, it was – and Ken got there very fast. I mean, Ken was with me, me and Bradley pretty quick. Okay. Alan's a good dude, man. I wanted to send you right first. Here's another conversation where Brandon is talking, I believe, with Weldon about who he sent out there to make sure that this thing was handled properly.

Right. And Ken Moss is Boyd's attorney. Yeah. Okay. They treat you good, though? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was fine. I just wish it didn't happen. But hopefully they just – it's just all this rumor. I mean, I'm still seeing people saying stuff, and it's just like, dang, y'all, I mean, it ain't –

And before we go any further, now he's telling another story, it sounds like. Yeah. I pulled off the road and he ambushed us. Yeah. Completely different story than the 911 take. The only thing consistent is that he was hauling a couch. Yes.

That comes up every single time. It makes you wonder, what does it count for really? Yeah, going into conspiracy, if he's friends with the deputy chief,

You know, is his calling for. Yeah. You know, it could be something. Yeah. Who knows? And here's the thing, too. And I and this is just speculation. I mean, this is not right. I mean, this is a conspiracy podcast. It is. But we can be free. But when but when he says that he says, do you know how many shots hit? Yeah. It was like.

that's not you just wanting to know because you care so much about this guy. It was you wanting to know like, how good did you do? Right. So you can brag. It's bragging rights for them. Yeah. And real quick before you start it, Brittany, tell them what really happened as far as where the shot was and what happened. Well, what I heard is that he hit him in the back. Yes. And that's where the kill shot happened was in Scott Spivey's back. Yeah.

Now, do you think that's in the vehicle where they hit him? So, yeah, that's my question. Was he out on the street or was he in the car? Cause he got hit in the back. He was from what I had heard is that he was like, his body was over the, uh,

Yeah, he was like slumped over. And in the truck. So how do you hit him in the back? I mean, if you had hit him outside of his truck, he would have fallen, you know, maybe even fallen into his truck, but he would have been fallen into his truck, like laying on the seat or something like that. It wouldn't have been slopped over the console. I think there's a clip we have that where he talks to Brandon Strickland more on a kind of

foyer requested clip to where he talks about the guy gets out he's hit likely hit from Weldon Boyd outside of the vehicle at one point in time he climbs back in the vehicle and it sounds like once he climbed back in the vehicle he was struck again by gunfire but I

I'm just saying if he got hit in the back, that is so good for the attorney on Spidey's side. I mean, initially it was, no, y'all do this autopsy to cover Boyd. Yeah. And then it's like, okay, well, he was hit in the back. You know, that does not help Boyd at all.

And I will say this. I'll stop right here right quick. But so I pulled up, I just Googled some images of the Scott Spivey crime scene. And, you know, you've got Boyd and I'm guessing Bradley sitting on the back of a trailer and they are hauling a couch. It is like a wicker type couch. Oh, man.

OK, so real couch. Oh, there goes our conspiracy there. But he weren't there. I weren't there. Yeah, that's what Strickland said. I weren't there. Yeah, I weren't there. He did say that. And the interesting thing about this is, though, is that, you know, as as we start hearing this, you know, as Weldon Boyd is more comfortable with conversation with whether it be family or Brandon.

And we go back to like the fact that he had phone calls recorded that when he turned his phone over, all these phone calls got FOIA, which is nuts to me. But he forgot. I love FOIA though. Yes. But he forgot he recorded all these phone calls. Yeah. Thank goodness. Yeah. That's insane. For sure. For sure. That's insane. Let's listen to some more. I think he's about to talk to his family and I think he talks to Strickland again. All right.

And I talked to Nate last night, too. I called Nate. He was at dinner. And I discussed it all with him. And he said that when I talked to you today, he's thinking about you, but not to worry about anything. Because they'd have to go to him if they were going to charge you for a warrant. You know what I mean? Okay. And they're not going. And it's going to go to him if they're going to charge anything on a warrant. So don't worry about anything. And Nate is the judge, right? Yeah, I think he's a magistrate. He's a magistrate, yep.

Yeah. So like, okay, if everything's on the up and up, why, why do you need to make all these phone calls? Yeah. Why do you, I mean, why are you making a phone calls to let him know that, Hey, you don't need to sign a warrant. Like judge was getting ready to sign a warrant on you, but I talked to him and now he's, we're all, we're all good. Yeah. We're all good. He said not to worry about it. Yeah.

Yeah, and I think that Horry County tries to say, well, he was just boistering his, like, authority and just saying all these things to make him look bigger and badder and cooler and, you know, talking about Strickland, that he was really just boistering that, you know, he's a cop and he can get things done. But it really would have been the same thing regardless if he...

was in play or not. But I don't agree with that. I think he was boistering, but I think he was boistering in a way that he really utilized his influence and his connections and and not connections. But I mean, obviously, he's in law enforcement. He is a major part of this investigation at this point. And he made all these calls, which is why he got fired.

Because he was in the shadows. Yeah, he's in the shadows. On Boyd's behalf. Yeah. He's just making sure all the right people. Yeah, he told him. He specifically told him. I wasn't out there, but I was in the shadows. Basically, I was working. I'm working for you. Basically, I mean, what's the difference in him being there physically if he's going to be making all these phone calls? You can't be there physically because it shows impropriety to...

But yet you can make all these phone calls on his behalf. I mean, it's the same. It's the same as using your title and your authority for Boyd's protection. Absolutely. I agree with that. All right. Here's some more. I don't even think about that. But yeah, you good, man. I hate you went through it, man. It is what it is. I mean, it didn't. It's.

This is Weldon Boyd's family, okay? So his parents that he's talking to now. It sounded like she said, don't tell Bradley you enjoyed that. Yeah.

That's right. Well, if you enjoyed it, son, you just need to keep that to yourself. And I wouldn't even tell Bradley that because, you know, you just, I mean, I know y'all friends and everything, but you wouldn't want Bradley to accidentally slip up and tell somebody that you said that. They finished the analysis on both my vehicle and his. All right.

Sorry, I got to stop that. He is saying to his parents that he enjoyed this. He enjoyed it. This is fun. This is a fun time. It's like going to Frankie's Fun Park or Carowinds or Six Flags. I enjoyed this, which I mean, you know, not in one call. Sounds like that. It was a hunt for a mysterious in boss on a video game. Yeah, it almost sounded like he was hunting Scott. Yeah, I mean, that's what's weird is, I mean, I go back to the weird video

The very weird coincidence that a spivey names with a fiance and this guy come up. And I also go back to I don't think it was something I said I was going to say this earlier. But if you have connections to law enforcement, like obviously Weldon Boyd did, and this is a conspiracy spectacle here. But what if like at one point in time, Weldon Boyd was like, hey, I need to know who my fiance is screwing. I mean, I just I just want to be like, you know, very raw here.

And so they kind of look up these names and they give him some names. I mean, this is all just speculation. We have no idea. But just say, for example, they give him some names. Scott Spivey, the other Spivey, whatever. Benny. Here's some of the people. Benji. Yeah, Benji. Here's the people I think that your fiance is involved with. And because law enforcement can do that. I mean, Nick, you can clarify this, although you can't necessarily...

You're not supposed to do that. It's frowned upon to go look in the system and do all this shit, NCICs and whatever, but law enforcement does do that stuff on the back end, right? Yeah, you're absolutely not supposed to share anybody's personal information. I mean, as a law enforcement official, you are entrusted with a lot of different avenues that you can take to figure out where somebody lives or what they look like or information that is not readily public.

readily available to the public. But although you're not supposed to, I mean, you're also not supposed to go behind somebody for nine miles and then shoot them in the back. Well, and you're also not supposed to use your title to get people out of murder. Right. But if he's willing to do that, I mean, yeah, I'm sure he's willing to help Scott out. I mean, point out at some point in time to figure out who his girlfriend or fiance is sleeping with.

Yeah. You know, it's a lot easier to look up somebody's name than it is to lose evidence and cover up a murder. Yeah. And by the way, it's all speculative. We have no idea. Yeah, we're just speculating. Yeah, I mean, it's just all speculation. It's all speculation.

But it is just a discussion. It's a discussion. But it is interesting. Very interesting. At the very least, that the Spivey name comes up with both. What a coincidence. And in our line of work, we don't believe in coincidences. No, we don't. Absolutely not. Typically not. No, I mean, there are definitely some coincidences. I mean, you can somehow meet someone in some weird way that maybe you knew 10 years ago.

years ago and you see them in a restaurant or a grocery store in some random city and it's the most random coincidence that you ever see and that's a coincidence yeah but but but but when things like this are lead to a shooting to where your fiance just broke up with you

And the guy that she I mean, it's just weird, right? I mean, the same names are involved here. He's also heavily involved in and connected to Horry County Police. I'm not saying that they gave him names or whatever, but maybe they did. Anyway, we definitely know it's possible. It's definitely possible. All right. Let's listen to more of this. X was never hit once other than the shots that we made through the windshield.

Scott was shooting a Springfield XD 45. That explains the lower round count and the big hole in the tailgate. On top of that, they have significant evidence that Scott, there was shell casings. There was a significant amount of shell casings outside of the vehicle.

and significant amount of shell casings inside of his vehicle, which confirms our story that he engaged us from the outside of the truck, got back in his truck, and we quit shooting, and then he started shooting again. So our story is solid. Now, here's where it gets crazy. Remember when he put his head up and we both were starting to shoot again? Yeah. That's when we killed him. Yeah.

You know why he put his head up? Why? He was lifting himself off of the center console where he had another high-capacity magazine that he was trying to get to reload and get back in the fight.

Ken told me that I had a horseshoe up my a**. He said, what are the chances that you get in a shootout and you got five independent witnesses where none of them know you and none of them know each other all stop to back up your story?

Yeah. He said that this had to happen on a back road where it was just you, Bradley and that vehicle. And there was no one else around. He said, this would have been a whole different situation. Yeah, I believe so. And Brandon said, just be thankful he wasn't black. Yeah. Just be thankful he wasn't black. Interesting. Interesting tells from old Weldon Boyd here. And Brandon,

You know, he talks about his head popping up. Obviously, that means he went back in the vehicle. He does say significant amount of rounds outside of the truck. He gets back in the vehicle. He pops his head back up. So then they issue kill shots to him. Well, a couple. So, OK, so Springfield 45. And they said that explains the low round count.

But then he says there's a significant amount of shell casings outside of the vehicle and inside the vehicle. So, you know, does that mean that Spivey reloaded several times? Or does that mean, you know, as an investigator, I want to know what shell casings were found outside of that vehicle. I want to know where Boyd and Bradley were at.

you know, in relation to that. And, and so as Spivey, you got two guys shooting at you. Okay. Boyd's truck was never hit one time. I mean, I understand shooting somebody. If somebody has a gun, you know, you don't wait for them to point at you and start shooting. If you feel like they're a threat because it, you know, action is faster than reaction, you know? So I want to know,

Where the shell casings are at, whose shell casings are where, are there bullet holes through the tailgate, through the cab of the truck? Like, how was he shot in the back if he was sitting in the truck? And then...

Does does Boyd fully expect him to just sit there and let two guys shoot at him without reloading? If I'm in a gunfight, I'm going to keep fighting until I'm dead. I'm not going to just sit there and be like, well, I guess today's my day when I have other firearms somewhere else that I can get. Well, Nick, let me ask you this. We heard the 911 call and he goes into this, you know, the shooting. We heard the rounds shot out.

I don't know how many times it was, but at the very least it was like two minute pause. You didn't hear anything. 911 dispatcher was like, Hey, are you there? Are you there? You didn't really hear anything. And then you came back and you heard something. He said, Hey, give me another mag. Give me another mag. Right. And then once you heard that about, I don't know, 40 seconds later, you heard what we paused earlier in the video and said, Hey,

Do you hear that? Sounds like other shots, but it wasn't as pronounced. Those shots in the clip that we listened to, the 911 call, it wasn't as pronounced as the original shots. So if you think about the shots from the driver's side of Weldon Boyd's vehicle to where they're more pronounced, you hear those shots, they're being laid out, and then you hear him say at some point in time, I need another mag, and then you hear...

probably 40 seconds later, you hear something. That's where I pause. I said, do you hear that? It sounds like more shots. Well, it's very possible, but he had told him to back it up. And after the initial shots, he backed it up and then he got back on the phone and that's when he was, and that's whenever he was asking for more ammo. So it's possible he left his phone behind.

with bradley at the car or truck and went up to his vehicle up to well uh to scott's car yes yes that's that's what i think because that second set of pops that you hear that is very this it seems distant it's not the same sounds that you hear in the original nine one call um the call where he is shooting through the windshield it does not sound that pronounced

When he talks about the magazine and they don't hear him for a while. And then like 30 or 40 seconds later. Yeah. 40, 40 seconds later, you hear more little pops like barely. I mean, you can barely hear them, but you hear them. Did he go up to the vehicle and issue the kill shots? We don't know. But if to what Nick's saying is like, what were the what were the casings outside of

Scott Spivey's vehicle. Was it Scott Spivey's casings? The 45, the XDM 45 or whatever? Weldon Boyd knew exactly which shot was the kill shot because he said he put his head down and when he came back up, I shot. Yeah. All right. So here is some of the deep conversations that we're about to hear. Now we've heard everything. We heard the 911 calls. We have heard the conversations with Weldon Boyd's family.

We actually heard some of the initial conversations with Brandon Strickland. But let's listen to some deep conversations that unfortunately for Weldon Boyd was recorded and came out. And here are those calls and they are in segments. So we're just going to keep playing them as they go. And then we will comment on these after the fact. Listen.

Well, I appreciate you. Well, it ate my ass up, dude, that I couldn't be there. Because I'm going to tell you, when you called me, I jumped up and started putting my clothes on. I was like, wait a fucking minute. No, you did the right thing. I don't need to go there. Yeah, because I didn't want to put you in a spot. And I didn't have your dad's number. And I didn't want to call you back to get your dad's number because I didn't know what you had going on at the time. I wanted to call your dad and be like, hey, look, we got him. He's fine, kind of thing. But...

No, I understood, and it all made sense to me. Well, you know, I'm a friend that will always be there for you, and I didn't want you to look at it as, damn, Brandon didn't even come to me, but I did it for you. No, that never even crossed my mind. I mean, I fully understand everything, and it just, I don't know, it's just not how I expected my Saturday to go, that's for sure.

Here's what you got to realize, and I don't mean this for the other guy, I mean it for you, but sometimes bad shit happens to good people and you can't control it. And, you know, this guy puts you in a bad situation and you're a good person and you got to do what you had to do. So it's like this right here. You got a lot of people that love you and think the world of you and you got to go home at the end of the day and be with your family. So you did everything you had to do to do that.

You'll be fine. There'll be people who are going to run their mouth, man. Like I said, the best thing you can do is just not make any comments. If the media reaches out to you, I'd say I declined to comment. Don't put nothing on social media about it. Just let it sit back. All right, I'm going to pause here for a second. Brittany and Nick.

What are you hearing in these conversations between Weldon Boyd and Brandon Strickland? I mean, is this a coaching? That's what I was going to say, coaching. Yeah. Like, what does this sound like? Does it sound like he's an innocent guy, a victim? Well, I mean, you don't need to be making a bunch of comments. You don't, I mean, calls. You don't need to be making a bunch of calls and talking.

If if everything was on the up and up, I just that's just where I'm at. Like, you know, why do you have to call your guys? Why do you have to call Jimmy, the prosecutor, and tell him the deal? And, you know, why do you have to have your guys come in and, you know, call the magistrate if.

I mean, it's just, I don't know. It's shady. And I'm wondering at this point, like how long after was this conversation? This was the next morning. Yeah. So it's the next morning. So at this point, does he even know what Boyd has done? Has he even heard that he was chasing him for nine miles, that they were speeding after this guy? Or does he think...

Only what Boyd has told him that we pulled over on the side of the road. This guy got mad. He pulled over. He pulled out, racked his gun and started shooting at me. I mean, there was no I mean, how much of an investigation can be done in less than 24 hours?

I mean, but to that point, right, you have this situation where Weldon Boyd is calling his boys. He's calling them the morning after. And you hear this conversation that is it sounds like, hey, look, dude, we have you. Don't worry, bro. Right. Don't worry about it. You're good. We're not going to get a warrant on you. They got to go to Nate for that. Like, I got you. I was in the shadows. Yeah. And we don't even care what happened. We don't even actually give a shit. We don't care about the Spivey family. Like,

We got you. Yeah, we don't care what happened. We just want to make sure you're good. And no matter who this guy is, we don't care. But Nick, we don't care. I want your truck and I want that ring. So we're good. Yeah. And Nick, back to your point, like, how does this transpire like this? I mean, you know, if you're a department, we had talked about this the other day where, you know,

Horry County is different than sheriff's departments, right? They're not elected officials, technically. Yeah, I don't think the head of the department, I don't think it's an elected official. I think it's appointed just like a regular police chief. They've done away with a traditional sheriff's office like you have in the rest of the state. Now, okay, let me ask you this. If you had to choose between who would be the most corrupted, whether it be a city department or county, right?

I know that sounds nuts to even ask you that question, but like who would be most likely to be corrupt in that situation? Definitely. So, you know, with a city, you have the city answers to the police chief would answer to the mayor and city council and, you know, county administrator or city administrator.

But in the county, when you have a sheriff, they are an elected official. They essentially don't answer to anyone like they are. They are it. They are the top. They are the highest elected official in the county. So, you know, granted this, I don't I don't think he's elected. I need to research a little bit more, but I don't think he's elected. I think it's an appointed position. I think he does have a little more. He has to answer to a few more people.

But I mean, you still, you know, as long as they're doing their job, then I mean, I don't see any reason why it would be any different than, let's say, the sheriff covering for Boyd. So a good example, this is like Horry County Police. How are they different? Are they answering to the county council?

So they would answer this. So they are a County police department. They would answer to, I'm assuming the County administrator and a County council versus, you know, city doing city councils and, and a city administrator. Okay. So, you know, typically the, the sheriff, if an elected official, they, they are yet the buck stops with them. Um, they get their money from County council and the County administrator, but, um,

every other decision is up to them because they're the highest elected official in the county. Okay. That makes sense. All right. Let's, um, let's play out the rest of this. Here you go. All it's going to take is one comment to be tried. Somebody tried to take it out of context. I'm just going to make it worse. Yeah.

Well, I'm just going to stay quiet. And I guess my truck, they got it impounded. It's got a bag of keys in it that I need. But they said once it was impounded, it's there. So I guess I'll get that stuff back Tuesday. Yeah, what they'll have to do, and I'm sure they probably explained to you, they'll have to do a search warrant on it.

Right.

They'll get you your truck. How bad's your truck messed up? I heard you went full gangster out the windshield. Yeah, I heard you went full gangster out the windshield, bro. It was awesome. We love it. And to the Spivey family, I hope that y'all say, hey, this was a shitty investigation. Yeah. And they have, by the way. They're suing Weldon Boyd.

And in a civil case, let me talk to Brittany for just a minute, because this is where the investigation gets really bad. And I want Brittany to just give us an idea of what happens. OK, so after all this is happening, Vascovi comes over and says, hey, he writes a look on his pad. Act like a victim for the camera. Yeah. And trying to mute his microphone. How do you how do you mute it? What do you do? How do we get these things off? They're trying to help them.

But after everything is said and done, how do they transport Scott Spivey?

Well, okay. For one, about that, what we just heard, they made a con, a comment about taking out of context. Well, thankfully we've getting all these phone calls and all of these, uh, body cam videos. So we're getting the full context of the corruption. Uh, but as far as the, the body being transported, he was taken in his vehicle, uh,

I think he was in there for five hours in 80 degree temperatures. So they said that they were going to do that for preserving everything. They towed the vehicle with him in it? They towed the vehicle with him in it. For five hours? And he was in there for five hours, sealed up and taken to the impound lot, but

But yet they said that they did that to preserve evidence and, you know, to make sure everything is accounted for. But his sister still had to call three separate times for them to come and retrieve evidence that was left in his truck. So make that make sense. But you're not you're not preserving anything like you're moving the vehicle stuff is shifting around. The body is shifting around and, you know, like, I mean,

Nick, does this ever happen? If you are on a case and somebody's murdered in their car, do you transport a dead body in the car to the impound and then lay the body out in the police impound on the floor? No, it happens right there. It happens right there on vehicle accidents where people aren't shot in the back. So why would it happen? You know, that doesn't make any sense. Like, you know, your evidence is changing. Like I say, if you were towing, especially towing with the body in the vehicle, you

You know, he's not going to be in the same position. It's not going to line up. Who knows how many shell casings you lost on the side of the interstate going back or to the side of the road, going back to the county impound lot. Like your evidence changes, the more you move around, you know, you take a picture, you move a little bit, you know, you, you know, you take a picture of all the shell casings there. You collect the shell casings, you do everything there on the scene that you can do there. Right.

The only time you move it is when things are done and everything else can be done. The vehicle can be searched later after it's inventoried, after you've got pictures of everything, after you've collected everything you need to collect that is imperative to the investigation. And they said that they did that because there was a storm coming in or rain coming in or whatever. But I mean, do these departments not have tents? Yeah, that's why they have canopies. Like, I mean...

It doesn't make sense to me. Nick, let me ask you with that situation. I mean, we talk about law enforcement and kind of their investigative practices. Do you feel like law enforcement is well-trained in crime scene investigations enough to where they need to be? There's always room for extra training and improvements everywhere. It doesn't matter how long you've been in. But I mean, a lot of times, yeah,

you know, there's under-trained people. And I, you know, without knowing any further, it sounds like

you know, they're just bad decisions there. It almost sounds like law enforcement already had their mind made up and it's probably because of the calls that were made to the judge and to the investigator that went out there and, and to the suspect in the case that, you know, the, the investigation was skewed. Honestly, the ball was dropped with the 911 call with that dispatcher. I mean, that's when the ball stopped being, I mean, like that's when it started being dropped. Like,

It should have been stopped. The pursuit should have been stopped then. And I mean, it's just, it's been a tragedy from the, from the beginning. Yeah. And by the way, I've got, I've got a friend and they'll probably kill me for talking about it, you know, both sides of the story, but I've got a friend that was chasing after someone for a DUI. He saw someone that was DUI called dispatch and he,

From my understanding, I've only gotten one side of the story. From my understanding, he called and he said, Hey, I'm following this guy. We're, we're riding down the road. We're not going super fast, but I'm in my car. I can catch up, whatever. Dispatch never tells him to stop the chase. Okay.

When the sheriff's deputy gets to him, the sheriff's deputy pulls him over and says, dispatch told you to stop. Why didn't you stop? He was the one. And meanwhile, the DUI gets away. He was the one. Why? Okay. This is just a DUI. This isn't even, you know, it should have happened this way. It should have said the dispatch should have said, stop chasing this guy. You're putting yourself in harm's way.

you know, at very least cautioned him on it. Yeah, no, I agree. I want to point out this too. There is a new article from WBTV.

And it says North Myrtle Beach business owner who shot killed Scott Spivey seeks immunity and money from Spivey's family. And this is court documents that have come out now. So this is Horry County, North Myrtle Beach business owner who shot and killed Scott Spivey during a 2023 road rage incident is seeking immunity and compensation from Spivey's family and

And there are court documents that show this. So it says Spivey was involved in altercation. Obviously, we've talked about that.

The motion is to dismiss Foley's lawsuit and could grant both Boyd and Williams immunity from criminal charges. And they also seek compensation for attorney and court fees, as well as loss of income. And now Oregon, a police report showed Spivey had allegedly initiated the shooting before he was killed. And however, about a week later, 15th Circuit Solicitor Jimmy Richardson said,

Asked the South Carolina attorney general to review the shooting after Boyd, who owns buoys on the boulevard in North Myrtle Beach. So what they're saying is, is that Weldon Boyd has initiated a counterclaim on this lawsuit from Scott Spivey's family to where they say, hey, we want to be immunized into. We do not want to be charged in any way, shape or form in criminal charges going forward.

and we are going to have you pay our attorney fees and loss of income from anything that we have accrued during this investigation. I am not an attorney. I do not know how this goes, but how in the hell does a counterclaim on a civil lawsuit grant you immunity in some type of criminal charge? Yeah, if they want to reopen it and have a special prosecutor. Yeah.

I have never heard that. Like, I don't know how you claim immunity unless... I don't know. I can't think of anything where you would have immunity from a civil suit, especially something like that where you chase someone. Well, especially whenever they're finding new evidence. Like, I mean, they just found new evidence of the dash cam footages from the deputies. So, I mean, when they're uncovering new evidence, like, how are you going to get immunity? Well, and you also have to think...

The investigative agency, Horry County Police, is not the one that is finding this evidence. It is the family of Spivey. It is their own investigation overturning this evidence. And was there a video in Weldon Boyd's truck? What do we know about that? I mean, he had some type of video recording device in his truck.

Has that come out in any FOIA request or any release of information? I do not know. I do know that it was four months after this incident before they got their hands on

Boyd's phone and his iPad that was recording. If you guys look at the picture of where they shot out their own windshield in the middle, there's a little stand right there where there's supposed to be like an iPad. And I believe he had an iPad that had recording evidence of

the incident of that night and it's disappeared. Yeah. And there was a press conference, which I don't know if we want to go into that. We'll figure it out in a second. But there was a press conference to where they mislabeled dash cam video, seven videos that Horry County police mislabeled. And they said, well, we didn't know where they were for two years. And now all of a sudden there's new shown up. Yeah. Now all of a sudden we know where the where these videos are.

So I'm looking at the, I'm looking at the Google images. And when you said that, uh, about the pictures. So there's a picture here and it looks like a crime scene photo. It's got the tape on there. So you have, you have a, um, a grouping there right at the driver and a grouping right there at the passenger where they both were shooting out of the, the windshield evidently. And then you can clearly see this full size iPad in the middle and it is still there in this picture. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah, that's what we're talking about. And they didn't do anything with that until four months after the incident.

So was he recording the whole thing on that? Do we know? He says that he was not. But in recorded conversation with his mom, he mentions he mentions it. And in a recorded conversation with his ex-fiancee, he mentions it. Yeah, he recorded the whole thing. And he has proof that he was on the defense is what he was saying. Well, and then if that's the case, then why are you not coming out with that? Yeah. You know, why? Why are you facing all of this public scrutiny? Yeah.

And you can clear yourself and post that publicly if that's the case. I mean, I would.

Well, we have something that would clear me. You best believe it's going to be coming out more of these pictures. So evidently Spivey's tailgate was up. So again, that questions, you know, the biggest question, you know, how was he shot in the back? You would have to go through, you know, two layers of tailgate plus the bed of the truck plus the cab of the truck. And I don't know if it was a four door truck or what, but then you, yeah, it looks like maybe a four door truck. So you would have to go through all that to shoot him in the back. Yeah. And that doesn't make sense to me either. Yeah.

Well, let's listen to this last about 40 seconds of personal phone calls. I don't know if he hit the truck or not, but he shot. I mean, he got out. He racked it. He did some kind of weird matrix move with his right arm and started shooting. And then we started shooting. And, um,

I could see his shirt rippling. So then he crawled back into the truck and we quit. When he got back in the truck and I couldn't see him anymore, we stopped. And then after like three or four seconds, he starts shooting again. So we just laid into the back of the cab and I guess he died in the truck.

Yeah. So I don't know if he hit the truck. Yeah. So he's saying here that, you know, he crawled back in the truck, which is obviously why they found him in the truck, hunched over his console. But I mean,

With the investigation, like Nick, I don't even know how you even suss this out. Like, how do you know who shoots first in this situation? Like, how do you do that investigative work to where you like? You're never going to know who shot first. It's always going to come down to the witnesses and, you know, any kind of investigation, whether it be the.

the video to in dash cameras, you know, ring cameras or whatever, you piece all that together to try to figure out who shot first. But again, I mean, if Spivey is outside of his vehicle, even if he's holding the gun up in his, in the air, in my opinion, you know, boy would be justified if he had a legal right to be there to, to shoot first.

Because, you know, again, action is faster than reaction. So, you know, you don't wait until somebody's, you know, shooting you before you shoot them. If they are an active threat, you know, if they have a firearm in their hand and are, you know, facing you, then they are obviously a threat. Yeah. Yeah. It's just so strange because, you know, obviously you have the spivey family that has lost a loved one.

And they want answers. I mean, they want to know what happened exactly. Well, and none of this would have even came out unless his sister like pushed the issue. They were going to just have an open and shut case saying this was self-defense. Let it go. We're going to tow the body for five hours in a car and lay it out in an impound a lot. And then we'll take it from here. And hopefully they don't have any questions. Yeah, I mean, it has been open and shut. I'm just going to take Boyd's word for it.

For the last year and a half was September 23. Yeah. You know, here we here we are in, you know, 20, 25 and it's just now coming out. I hate to bring this up, but man, we've had so many people based on they know that we have a podcast and we are based out of Spartanburg County that have, you know, after our episode with Chuck Wright and Spartanburg County and so many people that had death investigations that were ruled suicides.

And I go back to this all the time. And I can't help but to say this towards the end of this podcast, because so many people have reached out and said, hey, if you if you talk to Nick or you talk to someone like, please tell our story, please, like, tell Nick our story or tell someone, especially in light of Chuck Wright and the potential corruption and all that stuff. Like, should our cases be reinvestigated?

And, and I know we talk about corruption all the time and it's like, you know, how much does County departments brush shit under the rug based on, you know, who's the sheriff. They want to make sure that, you know, their, I guess record is the best it can possibly be. But we look at this case, for example, it's like, Hey guys, we, we got you. We, we, we, we want to make sure that this is a self-defense thing rather than a murder case.

And especially since we have connections, we've talked about that before with the Spartanburg County stuff. Do you think that there is stuff brushed under the rug in large capacity in sheriff's departments? I mean, it's very possible. It's very possible. And to anybody that wants their case opened, I mean, it...

There is limited that you can do with a case that's already been closed because once that evidence is gone, the evidence is gone. And then you have to think about, you know, now you're looking at, you know, how well did the investigator write, you know, their narratives and that sort of thing. You can't really go back and do a

more thorough investigation. You can just offer your opinion based on the evidence that's provided in that case. So, you know, anybody that wants their case re-looked at, it doesn't have to be the same agency. Send it to another agency, send it to SLED. Maybe they'll look at it, you know, if there's enough evidence or send it to an independent agency, you know, that's always a possibility. Yeah. All right. So with the Scott Spivey thing, do we think that this investigation can be reopened and how does that happen?

Like, is this a possibility for the Spivey family? I think that there is a very good possibility that the investigation could be opened again, especially since, you know, you have the conversations with Boyd and Strickland that, you know, obviously there that is a skewed.

you know, outcome already just from the very get go. As soon as, Hey, we got all these guys out here. I need you to come out here. Okay. I've got a judge out here already. I need you to come out here. So obviously there was an issue there. I really feel like, you know, another agency should have handled that. You know, I'm not exactly sure what the process would be to open that investigation, but I think it needs to be.

No, I do, too. And Brittany, what do you think? I mean, do you think that do you think that Scott Spivey deserves answers in the family? I mean, is this something for you that like when you get involved in this, does it seem right to you? I mean, does this whole situation seem it's on the up and up? Obviously, you have all the corruption on the outside with law enforcement and all this. I think that's why so many people do not trust government in whole today.

No, absolutely not. The whole situation is a tragedy. And what happened to him is horrific. And my heart goes out to the Spivey family. And what's also heartbreaking to me is just the loss of trust with the law enforcement, you know, for the community, for other honest law enforcement, you know, with their fellow deputies, they've been put in a bad situation, you know,

And so, no, I mean, I really definitely think that it's not on the up and up and it definitely needs to be looked into and which is important to have more eyes and ears on situations like this. So there can be more accountability so that other agencies, so SLED, so the attorney general's office know that they're being held accountable as well as the sheriff's office or police departments or whatever. Yeah. Yeah.

And I want to say, too, for any of the Spivey family members that are listening to this podcast, we do, you know, reach out to you guys in prayer and support. And and what and look, we know this is a very bad situation. You lost a loved one. That's a very hard thing to deal with. It's a very hard thing to get through. And listen, at the end of the day, we're not judges. We're not even attorneys.

And so for Boyd and his family, we don't know for sure whether you were in the wrong or not. We're speculating here and we're not just speculating. And for good cause. Like, I mean, it's shady. Like what he said on the phone, what Brandon Strickland said on the phone was shady and they need to be held accountable. I mean.

I'm not even going to share code it. No, I get it. No, I get it. I totally agree. And I think that, you know, my heart lays with Scott's family because I don't, you know, they just thought, oh yeah, he knows the police. This is going to be swept under their rug. It's going to be an open and shut case. You guys are all good. This is self-defense. Don't worry about it. Don't go on social media, but guess what he does? He goes on social media, he stirs up stuff and people stir up things and, and,

There is a lot of stirring going on right now. And what makes me so mad and heartbroken is Scott and Spivey's family were not allowed on scene. They didn't know where Scott was being taken. They didn't know what was going on. But yet his attorney, Boyd's attorney, was all over that crime scene. It sounds like a lot.

No, no. Yeah. And the only reason I'm saying this is because, I mean, you know, if you look at it from that perspective of like, you know, there's going to be people that are on Weldon Boyd side to listen to us and they say, hey, you know, he has this perspective and and we get that. But.

At the same time. But they need to reevaluate. Yeah. Well, that's what I'm saying. We are hearing the evidence as we hear it. Right. And so. Yeah. And the evidence is facts. It's true. It's facts. It's the real thing. It's not speculation. Whenever he gets on the phone and says that he had a blast. Yeah. There's something going on. Yeah. That is facts. That's coming from Weldon's.

on mouth and if if you're friends with him and you hear him say that after taking someone's life you need to be really evaluating your friendship yeah bradley was quiet because he knew because he knew they were in a role yeah you know that's that's why he said in you know his conversation and if he's still friends with weldon he probably is for sure well he shouldn't be he shouldn't be

Well, I mean, but that's the thing. You have these law enforcement officials that are friends of people and they're going to, you know, unfortunately for him, you know, he lost his career and he's probably done with law enforcement forever. There's three other guys coming up that are going to lose their careers as well. But you know what? That's a choice they made when they chose. They chose what they did.

I chose friendship over integrity. Yeah. That was their choice and I don't feel sorry for them either. And I don't feel sorry for...

Weldon Boyd's family who's sitting there making excuses. Well, you don't need to be telling people that, that you had, you enjoyed that. You had a good time. No. Like how, how do you raise someone like that? No. Yeah. That's no remorse for human life. Yeah. And to just take it. And the thing is, is this man is still on the street. He is reckless and he killed somebody and gunned them down over, over,

over a brake check and he's still on that street driving up and down that road yeah

That's that's. Yeah. Where is the accountability? There's no accountability. No, there is none. And I'm sorry, I'm getting. No, no, no, no, no. But you have good reason to. And I feel like you feel for the victims and which I'm I'm so glad to hear that, especially, you know, of a wife as a, you know, of a detective, somebody that's in the police department, that you have that integrity, that you

no right is right and wrong is wrong. And that is the main reason. And making excuses and no accountability is unacceptable. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a weird situation. And, and the crazy thing about this whole scenario is, is that this happens all over the country all the time. And I, it's weird because we've done this for so long and we've had so many people reach out to us and it's,

Although this is in South Carolina, Scott Spivey or the Chuck Wright thing or whatever. We've had people reach out to us and we've talked about some of these things. And it always seems to be the same story. There's always corruption. There's always these connections to where the people that are doing bad in some ways in these corrupted agencies are protected. And we have to somehow stop that.

And I think that, Nick, that's why I'm glad that we had the Spartanburg County episode with you, because you kind of told your story on that perspective of Chuck Wright. And, you know, Chuck Wright in Spartanburg County in South Carolina has been like a god for so many years. And now he is somewhat in some ways being held accountable, potentially. We don't know for sure what will happen with that, but at the very least,

We got to hold people accountable that are being corrupted, that especially when they hold power and control over people. That is the main purpose of our podcast. We've always had is like if you have more power than the general public, you have to be held to a higher accountability. Yeah, but I am going to interrupt you with this. I think law enforcement deserves a raise for sure. Well, they do for sure. And here's the thing. What I want to say is like law enforcement in general, we have to have.

But we have to have leadership. Well, and you have to have training. And I think that's what we're lacking is the lack of training a lot of times. Yeah. Law enforcement should be held to a higher standard. You know, if you're going to take someone's freedom, then you need to be doing the things you need to be doing correctly. You need to be having people there checking you. You don't need to have unchecked power.

Yeah. Well, I got into a road rage the other day and somebody blowing the horn at me because I didn't turn or I was in the turn lane or whatever, whoever was in the right, wrong, whatever, you know, you know what I ended up doing? I ended up driving off. I didn't, I didn't follow behind them nine miles and then chase her down and then shoot her in the back. You know, that's true. Yeah. You have, you have to make sure for your own actions. Yeah. You have to be responsible for your own actions. You're exactly right. And just to,

Who is Weldon Boyd that people so many people will be willing to put their careers on the line to to protect him? I don't get that either. Yes. Weird. Well, I mean, you think about this. The buoys on the beach, you know, it is a Ocean Boulevard bar. You know, that location in general is not cheap at all.

For sure. I mean, you know, there's money. There's money that's involved in that. And, you know, any of the people that own bars in Myrtle Beach, I mean, that's prime real estate. You're talking about like mega, probably multi millions of dollars worth of real estate value. But it comes like this again, like I said at the beginning of the podcast, like

It's great to be a community. And I think it is very important for law enforcement to be a part of the community and to get along with the community. But that does not mean give favors. No, absolutely not. Yeah.

Well, guys, that's going to do it for this episode because we just wanted to talk about the Scott Spivey case and just talk about the potential corruption in Horry County. I think for you guys that are listening, whether you're in South Carolina or not, I think you should reach out to whether the department or the council members or whether the South Carolina state government.

People need to reopen this case. This is a problem that we have across the nation, is a problem that we have across the world. Oftentimes we talk about globalism. We talk about all of the issues that kind of involve us not only as American citizens, but humans, people that live in this world, people that are influenced by world governments or whether it be corruption in a much larger scheme.

But when we kind of dive down to some of this lower stuff, which we say lower stuff, but you know, you have a family, the Spivey family that are highly affected by this situation. And this is what so many people do not trust government for. And we have to bring new leaders into power in place because

But I do think that we have to have leadership that is for the people, not their power, not their authority, not their corruption. And I go back to, like I said, the episode we had about Spartanburg County, this Scott Spivey episode in particular. We have this across the nation and we got to do something to change that.

And we do pray and we are with the Spivey family. The Boyd situation, I mean, hopefully it gets into a court of law. We are not judges. We are not juries. I at the very least think that a jury should have heard this case.

to where a jury of peers could have decided what is right and what is wrong versus, yes, we are four people on this podcast, but there should have been at least eight or nine that listened to all the evidence to say, okay, what is the actual outcome of what happened that day? And in my opinion, I think that Spivey was the victim in this case. And, uh,

If you listen to everything we've played out tonight, it doesn't sound necessarily like Spivey was the one that was chasing Weldon Boyd. He wasn't chasing her for nine miles. He was not the one that was Spivey was not the one instigating this necessarily, at least from what we heard. We don't know for sure. We got to have answers. And we hope that someone reopens this case to at least let a jury hear out the evidence. You guys agree with this?

I do agree with that. And I will just say that the Spivey family is asking for a fair and honest investigation. And if Weldon Boyd did nothing wrong, then that should not be a hard ask. That's all I got to say. If Bradley Williams did nothing wrong, that should not be a hard ask. So...

That's all I have to say about it. If they did nothing wrong, then what's wrong with an honest and fair investigation instead of just taking their word for it?

If the facts of the case presented themselves accurately to begin with, then it'll be the same outcome. And honestly, to clear my name, I would want an honest and fair investigation. Yeah, I'd be like, hey, investigate it. Go for it. Please. And here's the dash cam video. But instead, instead, we're getting protection from civil litigation. Yeah. And they may want to protect him because of tourists and all that. But if people do not feel that they're getting...

and representation and have safety in the law enforcement there, then people are not going to want to go to Myrtle Beach. Yeah. They're not going to want to go to Horry County. No, I agree. Myrtle Beach is somewhere that used to be amazing. And there's a lot of people that don't want to go there anymore. And I hate that because... Well, it's the sex trafficking capital or whatever. They say, yeah, for sure. Who knows? I'd be lying if I said I wanted to go. I don't want to go. Yeah. Yeah.

All right, guys. Well, that'll do it for this episode. We just wanted to kind of talk about this. We do encourage all of you to go investigate this case for yourself. We do pray for the family of Scott Spivey. It sucks that this situation happened. It's very unfortunate. And unfortunately, he does not have a story to tell anymore. And guys, until next time, we love you. Peace out. Peace out, guys.

Most of the times I think I'll make it through, but all that it takes is one image of you and it's even. Nobody knows the way it shivers. Nobody knows. It hurts just a little. When I'm with my friends and we drink together.

Nobody knows because it shivers.

It's cold and it's not that you in my arms, yeah, it shivers at all. If just for a minute, I'd fall asleep and not dream about you. And I hate to admit it, I'm out of ideas. I don't know if I'll cope without you. Yeah, it shivers at all.

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