Kosmographia Episode#109 Moon Refuge, Crop Circles, Plasma? Megafloods Tour Stops
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If the moon was honeycombed, and there is some theoretical evidence to suggest that the mass could be honeycombed, in other words, really big caves throughout the mass of the moon. Did you get that? Although there seems to be evidence that there's a... What I said, really big caves? Yeah. There is a solid core, a dense solid core. What I'm thinking now, if you cut the moon through the middle, you've got a rigid shell...

You've got a dense solid core, and in between you've got almost like a honeycomb structure. And I think that seems to be, at least the papers I've read and so forth, seems to be a model that could be most effectively representing the structure of the moon. Okay, so that, okay, so I'm going to exit out of there. And now four days after, or three days, four days after this went live,

Here's the headlines on a bunch of the science websites. Okay, let me grab it here, move it over. Here we go. Nice. Yep. And the other thing is, let's see, the cool thing here is... So are they saying that opening in the surface of the moon is a cave then? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, and then using the moon caves as a shelter...

And then the other thing they make the point is that there could be hundreds of them. Let's see. Scientists have long theorized the existence of lunar caves. Underground passageways formed through volcanic processes are connected to the pits covering the moon's surface. Now, a team of international researchers has found the first direct evidence that the moon's deepest known pit connects to a cave that could provide shelter to astronauts. So...

They did this. Then there's, you know, they say, oh, yeah, Brad's right, the depth of 558 feet. But some of the others that have been studied, they don't seem to have bottoms, which is interesting. So see where they say this, that there could be hundreds of these caves. So, yeah.

Lunar caves could provide massive benefits for astronauts and rovers as they can seek shelter from the hazards on the lunar surface, such as radiation, micrometeorites, and temperature extremes. The moon has more than 200 known pits, and I've shown a couple of those in my slides. Is that the same kind of thing you'd call skylights before? Yep, you got it. Yeah. Yeah.

So then future exploration of moon caves. And there's been some buzz. And Matt Bell was, he was impressed with this. The day it came out, he excitedly sent me a text with a link showing the discovery, like it says here, the discovery of the caves. So anyways. So what was that? It goes back several years. What was that last little new information?

Larger than we expected. Okay. Because I've, you know, there's been so many Discovery Channel and History Channel and Science Channel things on the moon that I've watched over the years. I know they've shown things that are like, and they propose that, yeah, there could be cities-sized caves somewhere.

beneath the surface of the moon and they've shown things. So I thought that kind of large stuff had been discovered already. So maybe it has, but it hasn't come out quite yet, or maybe they're not quite that large, but I know I've seen that covered on some of those documentaries. Well, yeah, I mean, that's where I got those two photographs of the, of the, what I'm calling the skylights. Um, yeah, right here, the moon has more than 200 known pits, such as the one at Mari Tranquil Atadas, but it's a handful extend out to caves. Uh,

The newly discovered cave will remain unclear. Or vent shafts, right? Yeah. Breathe under there. Yeah, moon cave. Yeah, auspicious timing again for you, though, Randall, you announcer of things large and world-changing. Well, I mean, like you said, Brad, you've known Brad for years now about this. And that's what I was saying is that, you know, I thought that –

The little video of us there up in the balcony is kind of appropriate where, you know, we're kind of playing it up. You know, there's some humor in it, but behind the humor is really this profound knowledge that could turn out, you know, if this is, you know, once we go back to the moon, now if these caves are being colonized and stuff, hey, might as well rise. So, yeah, I just got this strong instinctive feeling that I needed to talk about it.

And I didn't realize why until, you know, in fact, he sent me the link showing the caves. And then I started seeing other people sent me links who had listened to the podcast. And I started seeing some buzz about it.

So anyhow, I thought that was worth sharing. What'd you think, Graham? Well, you've been a little hesitant about doing the full moon reveal. So, you know, that's good that now you're starting to come out with a little bit more of your thoughts and feelings about the moon. So what's next? Well, what's next is that, you know, my story is this, that most likely if we're reading the ancient legacies and the ancient traditions, right?

We've already gone to the moon and colonized these caves. We've already done that. This is not a new thing. That is ultimately where this is going. And then once the thing, what dwellings are already there. Yeah. Who's already there. Could it be? And yeah, and that's, there's a whole part of my moon slide, hidden moon slide show. That's about all of these traditions. Yeah. We've already gone there.

And there's stuff inside the moon. Prior advanced Earth life that had to escape for one reason or another. Yes. And it extends right up. It builds right up on the whole foundation of planetary catastrophe. And I was talking to Brad about this the other night and bring up the point of, you know, here you had over 50 Clovis sites in non-glaciated North America, highly active culture, quarrying and with settlements, apparently campsites, hunting megafauna.

We've got tons and tons and tons of remains of the megafauna that were inhabiting North America, unvaciated North America at the time of the Younger Dryas, right? I mean, we came here, tens of thousands of the remains of woolly mammoths, but everything down to not just mega mammals, but small mammals too, right? How many skeletons and how many remains do we have of Clovis people? Do you know, Graham? Not a lot.

Well, there's one possible, the Anzick site, which is possibly a teenage girl. And that's it. Wow, that is interesting. Not even a complete anything. So they left. Yeah, so they went away. They left and went somewhere. Well, that's been the mystery for years. Why is there no remains? Why do we not dig up skeletons of the Clovis people? We find their presence everywhere.

From coast to coast, from the Gulf of Mexico all the way up to the edge of the ice sheet. But we don't find them. Because even if they burn their dead, there would still be shit from accidents and stuff, you would think. Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's a mystery. But what if they were evacuated? Because somebody had enough foreknowledge to know the fact that North America was going to be ground zero at the Younger Dryas.

So you evacuate them, well, where? Other continents, other places? Well, obviously. But if we're willing to go a little bit out on the fringe, you know, I could show you guys some shit. The ceiling of Dendera shows it very clearly. It shows the gods of Egypt entering the moon. That's even what the hieroglyphics translate at.

Entering the moon. We got a good look at that. We ought to share that if not now, but soon or another upcoming episode. But yeah, hey.

Welcome to Cosmographia. I started recording, so did we get everybody's attention there? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I don't know. I think we need to plan a big reveal. Welcome back. We got to plan. Listen, I want to let you guys in on it, but we need to kind of, okay, how are we going to do this for maximum impact? We need that big reveal build up to it. Maybe sell some tickets and say we're going to have a big reveal. Is there any full moons?

During the... Oh, that's a good question. I'll check that out. It's going to be close because we just had one last night. So 28 days times two, we just said it was eight weeks. So yeah, we might have one. Almost right on. What do you want to reveal that different than you just talked about though? I mean...

you don't want to share what we just saw is the harvest moon does that count there which one yeah harvest moon oh harvest moon that would be a good one so we're talking about our trip to the gorge at scablands part three basically september 13th or no sorry sorry september 15th to the 20th 21 yeah yeah so that would be right in the middle of it then if that's uh that's it yeah on tuesday during the tour on the tuesday yeah let's see yeah we'll be down uh

Kennewick, probably, right? Kennewick, right. Yeah. Harvest Moon, man. This will be good. This is perfect. Look at this photograph of Harvest Moon over Japan. Where is it? Here we go. Wow. Harvest Moons are famous for being, yeah. And the full moon closest to the September equinox is called the Harvest Moon. Because the moon rises close to the same time interval several days in a row.

And, yeah, it's one of the most impressive moon rises, full moon rises in the year. It says it right there. So it's 1034 p.m. That'll be – that's probably Eastern time, right? Maybe we can see what time it rises, Darren. We can catch a view of it. Yeah, I think we would want to see it rise. That's probably Greenwich Mean Time. Yeah, I don't know. It depends on the article or where it's from, time and date. Yeah, it's probably –

Oh, yeah, and I tell you what, if we had some, you know. Well, the full moon just rises at sunset, so it's going to be right around 6 or 7 o'clock, you know, right around then. What we want, ideally, is a vantage point from which we can see both horizons because then you see that effect is very impressive as you see, you know, sun going down, moon coming up. I mean, a lot of people will really get the cosmic architecture when they see that and they get that.

You know, that would be awesome. So we need to. I know the spot. Yeah. We need to do kind of like, yeah, I was going to do it the next morning, but yeah, no reason we can't do it that night. Okay. All right.

All right. Should we make a dinner out of it maybe? Like if we can do a catered dinner or something out of it. Well, I think after that we'll head back to the hotel for dinner and the big moon reveal presentation. Yeah, most people who haven't gotten that don't realize that. It took me a long time. But, yeah, as Darren was saying, as the sun is setting, the full moon rises opposite.

Yeah. All right. And so you can stand there and look both ways and you're in the middle and feel that one of those moments you get to feel the rotation of the earth. Yes. Right. It happened to me in the Hawaii crater on Maui. We got up there for the rise and the set. It was awesome. Nice. Yeah. And like Brad just said, it's like you can actually, if you're just very...

you can actually detect, see the rotation of the Earth. It's like right at the bottom of the threshold of what you could see. Perceptibility. Yeah, perceptibility. Right. That's a word. All right. How about that, Darren? I think that does sound cool. I mean, I've seen most of the Moon presentation, and I've read all the books that were sort of mentioned in it. So...

I'm excited to just keep sort of cracking that thing open. I really am. Yeah, good. And people can go to contactatthecabin.com and click on the Gorge, Columbia Gorge with Randall, and get their tickets that way. But they're also on randallcarlson.com, his site as well, too, right? That links there. And it'll take you to an Eventbrite page. And there's still tickets left. Yeah. As always, those direct links are right in the description of this video.

Only 20 tickets left, though. They'll go fast. There's only 20 spots left. So you guys are going to want to jump on that and get your spot picked out today. Because right now is around the time that those tickets tend to start flying off the shelf. So go grab them. We're running out of privates. If you want a private room, you want to get on that pretty quick.

It's looking like the middle of September. Excuse me, Darren. Yeah. A couple of weeks after Labor Day. So Sunday, September 15th, you'd be flying into Spokane. That the last three nights at hotel in Hood River, right? Down the middle of the Columbia Gorge, right? Yeah. Right on the river. That's going to be a great place to make a home base out of for a few days. It looks beauty. Yeah. I was just there after the.

Scablands trip. Took a tour of the place and checked out several of the overlooks we're going to get to. Amazing space on the planet. Yes, come and join us. It'll be warm too. And this is the first one we're doing. This is part three of the Cordilleran Mega Floods tour with Randall Carlson. And we've done Montana a couple times. We've done the Scablands annually. And now this one is...

Well, part three, there could be another leg going farther out all the way to the Pacific Ocean, but that's just too much territory to cover on this one. But yeah, beautiful, beautiful sights, huge waterfalls, some special access. We're just telling them I've got us on some proper property to see the evidence of the

Not really VARs, but the choking at Wallula Gap, which is what's behind me on the Columbia River. And then another Tammany Bar that we've talked about on many different shows, or Randall's talked about, got access into the gravel pit itself. Got a little tour there.

with the staff geologist and the security guy. So get our people in there to see where the layers of the Bonneville flood are going.

over top by the Missoula flood. And then there's some intermingling and there's still a question of, Hey, what was actually happening? But that's, that's a site down there in Lewiston, Idaho, where the snake river comes in, clear water comes in. And then it's the Washington, Idaho border. So yeah, very interesting place. And we're going to have access to that site that we've, we've shared many times on previous Cosmographia podcasts and some of the old classes that are, that are on the geocosmic recs channel.

We're getting to go there. First time with a tour. That'll be good because we have done, we've done five scab lands now and two Montanas, but this will be our first time heading down the gorge. And the other thing people should know is that, you know, we're taking, we're taking a bit of break from the flood tours. So if you want to get on a flood tour, now's the time you're going to want to get in on this one. Cause there might not be one for a year or two while we, while we do some other stuff that we're not going to talk about just yet, but, but it's just as exciting.

But those who have participated in the floods tours, that's a big part of the foundation of everything else. Certainly. And they'll get like a sneak a peek at the exciting stuff too. Yeah. Definitely. And of course, every week new stuff is being discovered around the world showing how vast these floods were and why they

When you add that with that, now the evidence for, you know, now that what is it, France and Italy, the latest discoveries of evidence for the Younger Dryas impact. It's like... I haven't seen those yet. Yeah, there's a couple of new papers out there now. I haven't read them yet. I got to get...

Get new info for your monthly newsletter. Yeah. If you don't have that already coming in first weekend of every month, sign up for Randall Carlson's newsletter at the website because you will get the early info on these tours also. Yep. Somebody just posted in our chats too, our post contact at the cabin chats that Randall has now converted PBS to

PBS had a little Earth's Hidden History documentary, and they say about seven minutes in that water that carved out the channeled scablins came from Canada. Randall has converted PBS.

So there you go. Well, look, Bradley and I have proof that we went to Canada, British Columbia in 25 years ago, exploring the evidence for exactly now where they're saying, you know, now admitting that the water came from.

I mean, the idea originated with me, but when I related to Brad, he instantly like, yeah, man, you're making sense. Well, and I had studied a lot of maps too. So yeah, it was just, okay, you're on it. Let's go look. Let's go look. And here we are 25 years later, Brad, and they're finally catching up to us.

But they're not because we've moved ahead. We've moved the goalpost. Jumped ahead. Yeah, exactly. Well, yeah, we're going to be showing them the impact site soon. Yeah. Where's the impact site? In your backyard. My backyard? Well, to your east. More or less. Like Hudson's Bay? Well, no, that far east. Oh.

Not that far. It's like a 10-hour drive. That's on the tour wish list as well. More than one. Yeah, more than one.

There's polar bears up there, dudes. I don't know if we want to fuck around with polar bears. Well, that's true. That might be a bit much. You mean they're still alive? I thought they were all dying from climate change. We need a stronger waiver. No, there's more than ever. I mean, see, they're not talking about the polar bears too much anymore because their number, the polar bears are getting out of hand. There's so goddamn many of them.

Yeah, the same thing's happening in Alberta with grizzly bears right now. They just brought back the grizzly bear hunt because there's too many grizzly bears and they're terrorizing people. Well, I have some maps here. Do we want to look at some maps? I've got some photographs.

Yeah, it looked like you were getting ready to pull up some images. I'm fine with that. We can go into some of the more places we're going to see on the Columbia Gorge Tour. One of them is actually behind Graham. That's going to be our first major stop the first morning. Oh, yeah. That's at sunset. We're not going to make sunrise, but there's a chance we'll be there early enough if we get the crowd together and up and moving that we'll still be there early enough to see some shadowy hills jumping out in the morning.

versus going sunset, we're going to see how early in the morning we can get there. It's about an hour south of where we're staying is Spokane. So are both of you guys going to be there? Yes. Good. Then in the morning, if I'm still sleeping, you guys can, you'd be okay with carrying me in the cot up to the top? Sure. And then at sunrise, I can lift my head and look and then go back to sleep.

We'll just camp Yoda up there. There might be a sunrise van. I bet some people would be up for that. That's an interesting little extra right there. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I don't think, yeah, I've never seen sunrise from that vantage point. But, yeah, I mean, Graham's up there. His backdrop is Steptoe Butte. And that's always an amazing place to get a really, the broad view of

Because that view behind me is 360. Like, it goes all... You can just turn around and it goes all the way around. Yeah, yeah. Long distance. How far is the drive from Spokane? It's about... I think it's 629 a.m. About an hour? Yeah, it's about an hour. A little more. Because, yeah, you...

It takes 10 minutes to round and round three times up the mountain. Yeah, that's right. So that'll be a 5.30 a.m. departure at least. Maybe five. I mean, a gramp will drive the van. That's a rough way to start out the busy week. Yeah, I'll volunteer. Somebody be up for it. All right. Hardy bunch. Sunrise steptoe on the 16th. Yep, so then we're going to head down across the Palouse Hills down in

to overlook of Lewiston, go check out the Snake River, and then get into that gravel pit at Tammany Bar all on the first full day one on the Monday. That's going to be quite a day. Well, let's pull up the map. I've got a map to pull up, and we'll just look at that, and then we can look at some images we'll share. Okay. Okay.

I'm guessing, oops, you guys are seeing this. But yeah, okay, you're screen sharing again. Yeah, just, I mean, we just kind of jumped into it here. We've been away from this for six months. There's a lot of things been going on. We've been to conferences. We've been on trips. We've had tours. Yeah. People got their own things going on. So we're going to catch up, but...

We had the moon shocker, and now we're reviewing some of the tour. So there's more stuff to get into here now that we're doing episode 109 here of Cosmographia with Darren and Graham from Gramerica joining us. Probably the second podcast Randall was ever on. Is that right? Joe Rogan first, say, and then Graham and Darren with Gramerica? Is that accurate? 2014 or 2013 even? It was early on.

It was 2014, I think, was the first. Well, you know, it might have been late 2013. I better check now because when did you guys come to town? 2015. Oh, yeah. Maybe that was the second time. Yeah, because that was kind of our first trip together, really, is we followed you guys out west from Calgary, from Okotoks, the big block. Yeah, that's it. All right. So, yeah, good to have you guys with us here as we resume here with 109. Yeah.

We're happy to be here. So it was July. It was July 2014 was the further Brimerica Randall Carlson appearance, which kind of helped put us on the map too. So it worked out well. Well, so we've been kind of working together for over 10 years now. That's right. 10 years this month. Right at it. That's crazy. Wow. Right at 10 years. Happy anniversary, gents.

Yeah, it was an unplanned podcast on the 10-year anniversary. And like you said, we're all still friends. We're all still friends. And we're planning our trip as we go along here, too. We're just adding things to the trip.

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Yeah. Yeah. That's interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Isn't that interesting? Hit that, hit that F 11. I always like full screen more. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Yes. Yes. Yes. More map. Uh, there we go. Oh yeah. That's better. And then we're going to head South and what will be our next stop, Brad? After Steptoe Butte. Yeah. Yeah. We're going to, we're going to go across the Palouse Hills there down. Uh, you can see that road comes out of Pullman and goes down into the Canyon. Yeah.

I don't want to give our whole itinerary away, but we're going to go down to Wawa Wai Canyon there, follow the road along the river down into Clarkston. Uh-huh, yeah, and we'll get this overlook here, right? Correct. That is an impressive overlook. When you come right up here and you're looking down, you see the whole... This is where the Great Bonneville Flood met the Great Missoula Flood, and there's some interesting stuff. And Brad has really done...

something great here he's contacted the tammany bar people um do we want to talk about that well yeah i mentioned a minute ago so yeah okay yeah you were looking for photos i was talking about being getting a chance to go down in there first time i will zoom in we've snuck in a few times at the edges and the fences but now we're we're actually gonna actually get on site with a tour correct

All right, you can see Tammany Creek coming down here, and it flows into the Snake River. And this whole thing right here is Tammany Bar, and it's right at Hell's Gate State Park. And it's a gravel quarry. But this whole thing was built. Stop that. The whole thing is built out of the sediments of the Missoula floods, back floods, and the Bonneville floods coming up out of southern Idaho.

Right. Let's go to the quarries right there to the right of where it says Hell's Gate. Oh, there you go. Yeah. So all of this in here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's it. So what they've done is because they're quarrying here, you can get in and you can see this amazing architecture. And I'll pull up a slide here in a second so that so that you can see it. Yeah.

Well, I've got it open. I could do it right now, I believe. So Hell's Gate, right? So it's just beyond the opening of where Hell's Canyon comes into the big plateau there. And then you get into this turn and crook, and then that's when the bar was created, right before it hits the Clearwater River. Yeah.

So all of this in here really comprises the bar. Yeah, we might get into that park also before or after our little tour. Uh-huh. Did you take that picture, Brad? No. No, yeah, we were out there together. That's one of our very first trips. Yeah, you see there, I got that arrow. That arrow is pointing to Brad down there. Scale man. Oh, there we go. Yeah, I've been there multiple times to that overlook, but that's still one of the best pictures. I'm going to reshare.

Screen two. There we go. That's because it was film probably and not digital. I bet it was film in those days, yeah. So there's the gravel pit. And then I go here. Yeah, here's the – this is the – get this out of the way. Here's the bar here. There's Tammany Creek, so this is Tammany Bar. And the next picture is taken from across the river looking down onto it.

Oh, yeah, it even says right there gravel pit. So gravel pit's been there a while. Now, this is an old, this is an enhanced U.S. Geological Survey 1 to 24,000 topographic map. All right, so.

We're across the river from this vantage point looking down. Here's Tammany Creek coming in. So we're looking to the east. And then right in here is the gravel pit. So all of this in here is the bar that you can see. So you had the Bonneville flood coming from the south this way. And you had the Missoula flood coming from the north this way. And we're going to zoom in on this area right here, that area. Here we go.

So now you can see there's some talus-type material sitting at the bottom that creates this slope. But you can see that all of this, you see that there's two very distinct types of sediment here, right? You've got this gray, darker stuff, and then you've got this buff colored on top.

So all the gray darker stuff is the Bonneville flood sediments. Now, the thing to keep in mind here is that the Bonneville flood is going downhill and the Missoula flood sediments that are the buff colored stuff on top, they're going uphill. So it's a backwash, right? So all this water that's come down like the Palouse and the Cheney Palouse and hit the Snake River,

It reversed the flow of the Snake River. It backwashed all the way up to Tammany Bar. And you can see right here the cross section of the bar. So you've got, we'll zoom in here even closer. And now you can start getting a look at the texture here, which is a very interesting story. So there's no...

I mean, you can very clearly see the distinction between the two types of sediment, right? And so all of this, and you'll see closer up here in the next slide, but it all has four sets in it. So here the four sets are tipping to the north, which means this water flow is coming from right to left. So left is to the north, right is to the south.

And then the Missoula flood sediments are coming from the left. They're backwash, and it's coming up on top of this. The key thing here, I think, to notice is that there's no evidence of a separation or a hiatus of time between the deposition of these two layers of flood.

you know, that's the thing that we would want to determine. And we may be able to determine this when we go to actually now tour this gravel pit. And we can maybe hopefully talk to a geologist if they have an onsite geologist or a chief of operations or something. Simply ask them, is there any evidence of, you know, grasslands, savanna, forests, trees, shrubs, anything between these two? Because if there's not,

That implies that the deposition of the Missoula floods was very, very soon after the deposition of the Bonneville floods. Does that make sense? Yeah. What would that layer look like if there was going to be a layer of, say, some grassland or 100 years of grass? You'd find evidence of the plants.

And if there was 50 to 100 years between the two or more, then you'd probably even have trees growing there. So there should be evidence. You should find sticks, branches, leaves. Anything like that would leave a distinct calling card. So that must be what, that's like four brads or five brads of the bottom layer and like four brads of the top layer? Well, that's... Is that brad? No, this is...

And a guy named Mark, and he's probably 6'6", so you can kind of figure from that. He's a tall guy. He's a tall guy. Yeah, and that's a lot of water to leave. Like, what, that's got to be like 25 feet of sediment on just the bottom one. Just the bottom. Well, and what's falling off? Well, that hill that he crawled up to get to it, there's more behind that, right? I mean, that's just what is exposed.

All right. So that'd be probably double, twice as – Yeah, you can see it keeps going down. This whole fascia has been removed. It's been quarried. It's gone. There's some new stuff exposed, but it does show very similar features and layering. So we're going to get to that.

We're going to get something different than this. What does that mean for the timeline when you talk about your younger, the younger dryas flood and the one that we we look through the scablands? How does the Bonneville one fit into that then? Well, there I mean, to me, that's the controversial issue. Now, at this point, the flooding, there's no Cordieran flooding that's dated to the younger dryas.

It's all dating several thousand years older. And that's a whole discussion to have, whether or not that dating is accurate or not. And I think that there is some issues with that dating that would be legitimate challenges, but not to get into that here. However, there is evidence from the...

of the draining, catastrophic drainage through the McKenzie River Valley north into the Arctic Ocean and south through the Minnesota River Valley right there by Big Stone Lake where Brad and I took Graham Hancock on I guess our last or next to last day, which was the southern outlet of Agassiz.

And I haven't seen the dating, but it looks like Agassiz was draining in multiple places. And the dating from James Teller is right at the lower Younger Dryas boundary. I mean, it's right there, you know, within a few decades and, you know, a very narrow margin of error. So it's likely that those floods have been dated directly to the Younger Dryas boundary.

What produced the water from Bonneville? Well, that was the overflow of Lake Bonneville.

What caused that? Which is another tour in the works. Another tour in the works. I'll back up, though, very quickly, and you'll see here. And I will link, again, in the description, the cosmography episodes that Randall does go into pretty deep detail on what we're looking at briefly here. Yeah, and we are going to do, like Brad said, Brad's already done some recent scouting for a Lake Bonneville tour, a Bonneville flood tour.

Little bit on Lake Bonneville area, 20,000 square miles, maximum depth, 1,033 feet. You know, great salt Lake is the puddle that's left over from the end of the demise of Lake Bonneville. Um,

So we've got, you know, elevation of the Bonneville shoreline at that number. And then the Bonneville flood was an overtopping of a sediment dam. And it took about a year for the water level to drop from this shoreline down to this shoreline right here, right?

And then what happened was you had soft rock at the Red Rock Pass, which you'll see in a second, soft sedimentary rock. So the lake rapidly rose up over top the sill on the northern outlet.

Took a year, they estimate, to cut down from 5,090 to 4,765 feet. And then once that soft sedimentary rock got washed away, it hit a hard granite sill. And at that point, the flood stopped. And you now had Lake Bonneville constituted at that level. And then over the next decade,

Throughout the Holocene, it's basically evaporated away to leave Great Salt Lake as the remnant of Lake Bonneville. So here's your Bonneville flood peak discharge, 35 to 41 million cubic feet per second. Total volume that drained 1,140 miles. So it actually is almost double or is about double the volume, the total volume of one Lake Missoula draining.

The basin of Lake Missoula up to Lake Pend Oreille holds about a little over 600 cubic miles of water. The total volume here you can see was 11,000, 1,140 cubic miles. Assume duration several weeks to months. And so here's the pass that it breached right here, Red Rock Pass. And this is driving through Red Rock Pass.

And this is looking west out across the path. So this was the drainage, the spillway for the overflowing waters of Lake Bonneville. And it came up through this way, diverted to the west, and then flowed out and carved out what is now American Falls Reservoir right here. And this aerial shot that I took. But we're going to keep going because we're not going to spend a lot of time here. Here's Bradley.

uh he's this is some of the sediment left over from the flood and you can see it's pretty serious stuff and uh massacre rock state park i love this this is one of my favorite all-time photographs i mean check this out so talk about mute testimony to the power of this flood this is the power of 40 million cubic feet per second that you see right here and so here's the snake river gorge um

Shoshone Falls, which is like Dry Falls, but it's got an active falls there today. However, you know, during the Bonneville flood, it was completely immersed. So yeah, so there you can get the idea. So here's Twin Falls at low water, but the entire scene here was submerged under

the 40 million cubic feet of the Bonneville floods. All of this is eroded. Here's a huge cataract. So think Palouse Falls, right, Darren? Yeah. That's what you got. Yeah, how tall is that waterfall compared to Palouse? Oh, that's not very big at all. That would be less than 100 right there. Is that one maybe more like the one we weren't allowed to swim at on the last tour? I think it's more than that. But height-wise, maybe the same. Yeah, probably.

It's a little counterintuitive because it's going north, right? Instead of like when I feel like all the floods would go south all the time, but... No, Graham, we have to dispel that notion. Yeah. But they go back, it's going back north, right? Yeah.

West here and then north. Yeah. And, and, you know, so this, so this flood that's coming up through here, that's the point that you're getting now that it, it met the Missoula flood. And what I'm really curious about is the hiatus between them. Check this out. Now this next one, here's your scale and variance. So here's the modern snake river in its channel. And here's the Bonneville flood channel.

So here you go. Modern Snake River discharge, 56,900 cubic feet per second. Highest recorded historical peak flow. But here's the estimated peak discharge of the Bonneville flood, up to 40 million cubic feet per second. So 40 million is divided by 56,900. So 700 times greater than the modern Snake River. 700 times greater.

That's kind of what the river in Calgary looks like, too, the Bow River. It's always down. It's always way down from the plains. That's me and Bradley out there in the debris field. And you can see that this is the kind of, this is the sediment load. And this is stuff he shows on the Matt Beal also, along with some of the mood info. So the mainstream. Yeah, go ahead. Does the mainstream accept the Bonneville flood? Is that pretty concrete? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, there's been rigorous work by.

Professional geologists, it's totally accepted, yeah. It's just the timing in relation to the other ones from the north, right? Exactly. So then we get back to this, and now you can really clearly see the four sets. So remember, the downward tilt, it tilts down in the direction of the flow. So this is from right to left. And this is up in Tammany Creek.

And here you can see, look now, Graham, you can see the difference here now, can't you? Look at this. This is your Bonneville flood. And it's interesting that the last surge of the Bonneville flood has these bigger boulders. So there must have been some kind of constriction or something upstream that got breached. And that was like the final stage of the flood.

If those floods are coming down, they're putting so much shear pressure on the walls of the channel that you're going to get landslides. So if you had a landslide that fell down into the channel, now the water rises up behind it and builds up this pressure and then it bursts through.

I think that's how you would explain the fact that you've got this layer that you can see very clearly here, that you've got these larger boulders right at the top of the Bonneville flood layers. You see that? The other thing that's really interesting about this that you could overlook is you'll see this has got your tilted, you know, here. This is more level, and the reason is is because –

The steeper the gradient, the steeper the force sets, right? The faster the water is moving, the steeper the force sets. So as the velocity slows down, you can see the force sets, you know, getting more horizontal. But what you've got up here is this is like surges of like almost like muddy, slurry water backwashing, right? Then on top of that, you'll notice you've got this not quite, but almost horizontal layering in here, right?

And then what happens right up here at the top? You got about five feet of this different stuff that actually, if we could zoom in on it, you'd see that it's got vertical, vertical orientation, right? So what is that? Well, that's the LUS. This is the stuff that after the final flood layer was done, this stuff descended, settled out of the atmosphere onto the upper layer of those Missoula backflood muds, if you want to call them that.

Now, this is five feet of stuff. Remember when Mount St. Helens erupted? You had places that were as dark as midnight, you know, two states away from six inches of ash. What would the atmosphere have been when you had this stuff in the atmosphere? So that's the third component of what you see here. You had the Bonneville floods, and I'm thinking...

See, here's what I'm thinking. I'm thinking you probably had earlier Missoula flood, back floods, but then the more rapid, more erosive Bonneville floods washed that away.

But I don't know that maybe we'll find out, maybe we'll learn some of this stuff going in. Maybe there's a, you know, God, that'd be awesome. If there was a geologist to guide us through here and we could ask questions. Well, that's something we can, we can talk about is see if there's somebody up at the Moscow, either of the universities there at Pullman or Moscow and have somebody come down and see us there. Yeah. Yeah. We'll have to talk about that. Darren and Graham. Yeah. Well,

We're an hour plus in. We probably want to take a little break here and move on. I mean, this is all just really the first or the second big stop on day one of our tour. That's a lot. Right. Darren, you know, by now you ask one question and, yeah, we get distracted for a few minutes there on Bonneville. But, yeah, all interesting stuff. But, yeah, again, I'll post the links to the previous podcast where we have talked about these in depth.

And we may want to get into some other topics here with this show, getting back into maybe a pattern with Cosmographia. But, yeah, guys, let's take a break. Okay. Sounds good. I'm going to get a drink. Deal. I've been drinking a lot of pomegranate juice lately. I've been eating way too many freezies.

You're what? Eating freezies. I've been eating way too many freezies. It's the biggest mistake I ever make is buying my kids freezies. Oh. And then all of a sudden, I'm eating like a thousand freezies a day. Okay.

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Hey, Kyle and Russ, we're giving it a try. Hope you guys are doing well. Yep, hadn't seen them since went to, well, they were at the Cosmic Summit. We all were down at the Eclipse event in Texas.

Right. So we've run into those guys, but they're staying busy. We're all busy. There's been some conferences. So we're going to get into a little bit of that. But I want to do any wrap on the tour. Basically, we're talking about the first day there at Steptoe Butte and then down at Tammany Bar. We're going to get over toward Wallula Gap, which is right behind me. A section of it is actually about five miles long.

And then it opens up again. We're going to drive down right along the river a ways and then get into Columbia Gorge and stay there the last three nights down near Hood River. So lots of waterfalls. May want to check some of that out if you got some photos handy, Randall. But yeah, there'll be another chance to do some follow-up and we'll probably do a...

one tour-specific intro before the date actually comes up. But like Darren said, we're about half full, so there's maybe 20 seats left. Join us. And after our little intro about the moon, Randall says there's going to be more once we get there. What are you thinking now about doing there, Randall? Well, we should commemorate the beautiful September harvest moon, and that will be coming right in the middle of our trip.

And I think that would be a great time. You know, there's no better time to integrate your consciousness with the cycles of the heavens than during a full moon. And so it would only be appropriate that we have a little bit more full moon or moon disclosure. I won't say what it's going to be, but we will get into that while we're enjoying the harvest moon, which is going to be near the fall equinox.

Again, that tour is September 15th to the 21st, coming up about eight weeks now, depending on when this is published soon. But you can find more info on RandallCarlson.com, of course, and contact at thecabin.com, our co-hosts on these Mega Flood Tours, Grimerica with Darren and Graham.

That's right. That'll be a September 15th check in around 4 p.m. and dinner at five. And then we'll do a welcome meet and greet. We're right at the airport. So you don't have to worry about a shuttle or a ride or anything like that. You just get off the plane, walk across the street and we will take care of you for the next six days, I guess, until we drop you back off at that airport.

around uh 2 or 3 p.m again a week later with a head full of knowledge and the moon presentation and i've seen a little bit of moon disclosure at like five or six different events now so if we're going to do the full the harvest moon thing this is worth the price of admission right here i'm telling you though it's not going to be the full disclosure not quite the full but it's going to be the next phase so there's

Ooh, I wonder how far, how deep does this rabbit hole go? Because I figured we were like close to the end of the disclosure already, but we're just warming up. We're just getting started. We're just on the rim.

I was looking at the moon last night, actually, with my wife. And it's already starting to get that because it must be the full moon, right? Did you say it was a full moon yesterday, Brad? Correct. Last night, the 21st. So I looked at it. It was yesterday. It was last night. But it had that orange tinge to it already. Well.

What does that get? Oranger and oranger each full moon until the harvest moon? Or what was causing that? Because for a second I was like, is it the blood moon? Is it an eclipse? Or why is it starting to look orange already? Because usually that's not until the fall. Forest fire smoke, maybe? Or it could be the forest fire smoke. It's probably atmospheric. Something in the atmosphere.

So speaking of that, before we switch bases, I want to get you to explain this because I was trying to explain it to my kids a while ago and I failed kind of miserably. How come it is when you look at that, when you look at that harvest moon and it looks so big in the sky, but I've been told by a bunch of people that if you like, if you could somehow measure it, it's actually the same size as it is all the other time. It's just like a weird optical illusion. And then someone else told me it might've been you.

But I can't remember that if you like bend over upside down and look at it through your legs upside down, it'll go back to the normal size. Yes, that's a fact that if you do that or if you have somebody stand and spread their legs and then you look through their legs, then you'll see it. So there are different ways. And the more, if you have a row of people, like say you've got three people or five people, you know, and they're lined up. No, what it is, Darren, is you've got,

you've got the perigee and the apogee. The perigee, the moon is about 221,000 miles from the earth. And at apogee, it's farthest point. Perigee means next to, right? So it's closest in the moon's orbit is elliptical. So sometimes it's farther away and sometimes it's closer. The closest it is to the earth is at about 221,000 miles. That's perigee. Apogee is around 252,000 miles.

So what's the difference there? If you go, you know, 252, you're looking at, you know, about 30,000 miles difference. So when the moon is at perigee, it's closer and looks bigger than when it's

252,000. Think of it. Just over a quarter of a million miles is an apogee, around 252. I don't remember the exact number, but it's in that ballpark. And that's the main reason. I mean, you can actually detect. Obviously, the closer the moon is, the bigger it's going to look, right? Well, there's also a factor. There's a factor of if it's on the horizon or not, right, or if it's up high. You get that.

Yes. And effective at looking in. Yes. Exactly. And then that's also why you've got a total solar eclipse and an annual solar eclipse, right? When it's farther away, it doesn't cover the full sun disk. Man, you mentioned the eclipse, and it seems like that was a year ago already. It's hard to believe that that was only three months ago. Three months. Yeah. That's crazy. Really? For me, it's just the opposite.

I'm thinking, yeah, that eclipse was only three months ago. Or no, it was three months ago. I thought it was April 8th. Yeah, three and a half. Yeah, it was a year from now. I'll go, wasn't the eclipse three months ago? Time flies when you're having fun. And you guys have been having fun? I'm having fun. So you and Graham both went to Cosmic Summit. I missed it.

How was it? Let me interject one more cosmic cycle because I just realized this or found this yesterday. We're talking about the moon going around the planet, right? So our country is now one year old, but it's a year of Pluto. The orbit's 248 years old.

And our country's 248 years this year. So we're one Pluto year old. I think we would say it's a plutonic year. I was going to say plutonic, but somebody would correct me and say it's not platonic.

It's not Plutonic. It's Plutonic. I have to be very articulate with my Plutonics. With your Plues and your Plaz. Plutonic year. Is that the longest one? Strange things that are going on in our first birthday here in our country. Well, is it even a planet though? I mean, I thought it got demoted and then it got added back in and it's just rogue. I mean, I guess that would be the longest one if it's still included, right? Yeah.

Yeah, I lean towards it being a devolatilized hyperdisk object, personally. I'm sure that's what you would have figured, too, right, Graham? Whether it's a planet or not. Devolatilized. I think it has to count. It's got to count. That's what I was taught in high school, in school, so...

What were you taught? There's some amazing photos they got a couple years ago or whenever that was, eight years ago now, that ice, big chunks of ice moving around and crashing in and making just mountains of ice. Yeah, fantastic. Anyway, yeah, so not to get into any political stuff, but there are things happening in our plutonic birthday one here in the U.S.,

Well, not that's for Randall's Randall's, uh, own podcast. That's something else we want to talk about. Some of our other projects, Randall's Randall's doing his own project podcast where he will get into some political stuff. Yeah. I've done some good things on climate change on sea level rise on tornadoes on wildfires. I interviewed Matt, uh, not Matt, um, Will Harrison, his daughter, Jenny about regenerative agriculture. Um,

I interviewed Sean Webb on his mind-hacking happiness and his work with Navy SEALs and psychedelics. So, yeah, I'm going to cover a lot of stuff, but I'm going to be talking about – I'm going to – I'm doing – and so what I've done the last three episodes, I'm just really zeroing in on the Tunguska event because that's important. And that's called Squaring the Circle, and that's with Randall only, and it's on Rumble. Well, unless any of you guys want to join me, I mean, it's an open –

The door is open to any, you know, somebody who wants to join in. And yeah, I mean, I'd like to have guests. I definitely am going to have guests. I have a shirt. I have a shirt. With Sean Webb, he was in the studio. And then I just did a interview with Beckett Fusic in the studio, but there were problems with the audio. So I don't know if we're going to be able to use it or not. And then, but yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I'm still figuring out where to go with it. Is that a live thing, Randall? Are you doing that regularly every week live at all? Or is that just something you're uploading later? I'm not doing it live. I haven't done it live yet. But we've been averaging better than one a week, I think. I think we're up to 14 episodes now in two months, maybe. Two and a half months, something like that. And I'm going to accelerate the pace. You know, it was slow at first because I was really just getting my feet wet.

And I'm getting more adept at doing it, and so it's going to be easier the more proficient I get at figuring out. I mean, I had no idea how you use an audio mixer or the video switcher. Neither did Rowan. Rowan has been kind of handling that. We've had some coaching and good tutoring from John Arthur Fiala.

um, who is a professional, you know, audio visual guy really knows his shit. Um, so Mike Robertson met him through the Tesla tech conference, which is coming up next month. Uh, is it next month? Uh, August probably. You got an event in August too, in Colorado, don't you? Yeah, I do. I'm going to be doing the Gaia event in August and it's going to be about the great year cycles. It's going to be primarily about cycles. Um,

and how modern science might be confirming ancient traditions of cycles. I'm only going to have an hour and a half. There's only so much I can get into. So that's what I'm going to be pretty much, I think, focused on there. And then the next thing after that will be the gorge tour with you guys. God, I'm looking forward to that. And you know, here's the thing. It was that gorge tour in 1970 that really...

tuned me into something happened in that landscape. You know, it really was. I mean, I was blown away and very impressed by going through that gorge back summer of 1970, you know, one year out of high school. And now I've been back through it a number of times. And, you know, I don't recognize the specific places, but I'm quite sure, you know, I remember the Hood River, some of the waterfalls.

Can we show some of the pictures of the waterfalls we're going to see on this trip? Multnomah Falls. We're going to do Multnomah? Well, yeah, they're definitely on the schedule for the last full day. Do a kind of waterfall finale there. But the one thing is they're planning to do construction on that road in the fall.

And I'm not sure 100% yet that we're going to have access. I think we are. But if not, there's plenty other things to do. But we might miss two of these waterfalls and the Crown Point overlook. Okay. Well, check this out, Darren. What we're looking at, we're at the bottom looking up into a cataract. You see that, the cataract? Yeah.

And it's pretty clear that this stream did not carve this cataract, right? I would agree. Would you interpret that, Graham? Yeah. Well, over millions and millions of years. But this was cut away. I mean, this is in the gorge. And basically, the rim of this cliff is the high water mark. See? Yeah.

Because you've got a picture, you had a relatively shallow valley, right, with the pre-flood Columbia flowing in it. Then you got this huge flood come through and it carves this channel between four and 800 feet deep and leaves these sheer walls. So you can picture, Graham, right? It makes sense that you would have had tributary streams flowing into the Columbia and then they're

After the flooding is over, the gorge has been cut down four, five, six hundred feet. You've got these sheer cliffs. So instead of flowing into a nice gradual slope into the Columbia, it now comes up and whammo, it's got these sheer walls it's got to go over. This is Multnomah. Look at Oneonta, which is the next one. Look at the undercutting here of the basalt layers. You can get a scale by looking at the human figures down here.

This is a very impressive place. Yeah, that one's awesome. I got some good photos of those columnar basalts hanging there. Yeah. Last trip. Look at this. You get wet and it's slippery, but you can go right up under those things behind the falls. Yeah, but don't worry. I mean, you've got a better than 50% chance of living. And this is a view from Crown Point.

And what's interesting about this, Darren, you see this knob? This is a beacon rock, and it's a volcanic neck that is harder basalt than the surrounding softer sedimentary rock, which is stripped away by the floods. I would guess, and I don't have proof, but if you look at the top of beacon rock, that's probably very close to where the pre-flood valley floor was.

Right. And you can see this shelf was cut by the when the water was at its highest. You can see the high watermark right up here. Wow. You see it. And at that high watermark, it cut this shelf. And then as the as the bottom of the gorge got deeper, then the water probably receded from its high watermark up here. Wasn't up here the whole flood. Right. Right.

Is the fact that that shelf is flat like that, does that mean the water was at that level for longer? Yes. In other words, it got this high, and I bet you any amount of money there's a natural bedding plane between the shelf and this, and that's natural for the water to pluck up.

the rocks at the preexisting bedding planes. So if you've got a bedding and then you've got a hiatus and you've got another layer on top of it, that would be the natural cleavage position within the stratigraphic column for a few waters, the sheer forces of the water stripping it. See, you'll see a lot of the shelves in the, our basalt shelves throughout the, um, throughout the scab lands. We see a lot of those going up, um,

Grand Coulee, right? You remember some of those. You look over and you'd see that flat basalt shelf. This is not basalt this high, but this is basalt down here. Do you have an elevation on that, Randall, on that shelf? Because I was thinking that Beacon Rock was 800 feet high, but maybe not. Maybe I'm off on that. Do you recall? No, I think that's in the ballpark.

Um, but the bottom of it's, you know, basically would be down here at the river level. Yeah. So we're going to stop there for the hearty hardy that want to, uh, hike up that it's pretty challenging. Uh, I think the number is 53 switchbacks in the stairway. That's like anchored into the side of the basalt.

848 feet. There we go. But, yeah, it's worthy. But there's not a lot of hikes, actually, on this trip. There'll be a couple, and that'll be one of them. But that's definitely a strenuous one. How tall is Steamboat compared to that? Steamboat's about 800, I think. So it's about this. Steamboat wasn't terrible. So that's just a lot more elevation, a lot more quickly. Correct. A lot of stairs.

So now, now can I ask about the Cosmic Summit? Okay. Before we do it, I'll just show, here we go. I didn't realize this graphic was here. So this is just suggested pre-flood valley profile. And then based upon the elevation of Beacon Rock. Okay. So then there's the high water mark. And then after the flood, you got this. So hopefully we're going to get that view from Crown Point.

If the road's not under construction, but I think we're going to be there early enough to get there. Yep. Check out Randall Carlson.com or contact that the cabin.com for info on those tours. But yeah, so it was middle of June, right? It was right almost over the solstice right before the solstice, I guess I went to the Monroe Institute. You guys were at cosmic summit, uh, Graham and Randall. And then Darren was, uh,

across the pond in england at the tycosium symposium that would have been a better name so what'd you guys find there i just passed through i had my own deal going on i just want to know how it was you know i missed it i heard it was very paradigm-y so that like a paradigm symposium feel to it and seemed like a good time but i also heard that uh there was some uh

Some like scandalous stuff, like some controversy, maybe some controversy and maybe even some what do they call it when you wreck some sabotage? Sabotage. I don't know if we need to get into all that. I mean, I had a really good time. I mean, Randall had a lot of people, you know, watching him all day long. I mean, he had like an all day long workshop type thing in the main room and there was two other workshops going on. So it was hard to choose.

you know topic so i chose to go to malcolm bendall's and bob greener was there and and sheila talking about resonance so i mean it really was i i like that part of it because a bunch of people got to go see randall and a bunch of people got to go see uh malcolm bendall and all that whole thing and then there was other people that got to go see um scott walter and uh and uh

Jim Hogan, I guess the, about the Templars. Tim Hogan. Yeah. So, I mean, it was pretty, pretty amazing. I mean, I, you know, I think Malcolm made some progress with, with the, you know, testing the tests and the technology, the thunderstorm generator. It's pretty interesting. I mean, they did some smoke testing on it, uh,

I think it was pretty obvious that they had a base model going without the contraption on it, and you could smell the difference between that and the one with the generator on it. So what you're saying, Graham, then, is that it passed the smell test. It passed my smell test, yeah. Okay. Yeah.

What did you think of the conference round? And it was very professionally, it was, it was professional put on. I mean, I'm sure there was some hiccups and there was a little bit of controversy, but I mean, overall, it was very well, well put on. My, my only regret was that, you know, because I was on for a lot of the time, I didn't get to see a lot of the other speakers I wanted to see. However, you know, I can get the, um,

you know, the recordings of the whole thing and watch them at my leisure, which I definitely intend to do. Because, yeah, I mean, there's a lot of those talks I didn't get to see. And, you know, you realize, you know, it was one of the bigger audiences I've ever addressed. I mean, there was like 600 people in that audience there, right? So I don't think they believed me, Graham, when I started out. And I said, before we get going here,

I always like to kind of know my audience a little better. So could we go around the room and everybody could, each of you could in turn stand up and give us your name and your preferred pronouns. But we didn't do that. I didn't insist on that. But a little bit of levity to start the thing, which is important, especially if you're going to be talking about anti-gravity forces. Start with levity.

There you go. If you, if you, that's clever. Uh, but yeah, that, so yeah, there was some, I had a great time. I had a lot of fun there. I really did. I had fun. I know there was a few controversies and that's regrettable, but they weren't,

So that should still be available to access on live stream. You should still be able to purchase that, right, and see all the speakers. I think it's pretty reasonable. I'm not sure. Is it $69 or $79? It's something very reasonable. Yeah, for 20-plus speakers. You know, it was multiple stages going on Saturday and Sunday, I think. Yeah, so lots to catch up on there. Some total of it is, I mean, great stuff. I mean, great stuff.

Chandra Wickramasinghe patched in and he did a presentation. And Luke Caverns, you know, he's been exploring Central and South America and he's got some amazing stuff. I mean, it's incredible. And then, you know, next month, the Tesla Tech Conference has got a really great speaker lineup.

And they're going to have in-house demonstrations and a lot of practical stuff getting into all aspects of Tesla-related stuff. And plasma physics. And it's going to be a rich smorgasbord of stuff at the Tesla Tech. And I think you can get, yeah, I think it's $99 for four or five days of stuff, worth of stuff.

It's the same location every year. Yeah. Albuquerque, New Mexico. Yeah. But yeah, go to a Tesla tower, go to my website or how to brandle at randallcarlson.com. I'll have a link on there. Um, your how to.com. Yeah. Have a link. And if you buy a ticket through there, I get a little, little bit out of it, which is good. Um,

Because I can always use a little extra boost now and then to, you know, everything that's over and above what I need to live on, that's going into let's get this story out there to a bigger audience. That might be something we could talk about because there is some interesting potential here in the pipeline over the next six months to a year about where do we go with this and what level do we want to take it to? And do we want to go beyond just

interesting discussions, but, you know, academic kind of, or, you know, stuff that's not really, I mean, at this point, I think, you know, we're looking at, you know, the whole thing, like what's, what's going on with, uh, UAP disclosure and I'm using UAP rather than UFO. You've been drawing that closer than I have. I think Graham, um,

But, you know, it's one of those things that I've avoided, but it's sort of imposed itself on me whether I like it or not and pressuring me to go there. And that's one of the reasons why I'm feeling like, well, with other signals I'm getting, that's what's telling me it's time to get into some of the moon disclosure.

Ah, I see. It's interesting because of Malcolm's stuff too and the Tesla tech, it all fits into the UAP thing. Yes, it does. The disclosure needs to happen for the energy, the free energy for that reason, really, if anything. Yeah. And I think that right there, this could be like a major connection because...

You know, given three years ago, four years ago, I knew almost nothing about plasma physics or plasma energy. I was complete zero. Now, you know, I started out, then I kind of went through kindergarten, I think first grade, and I think I'm about ready to graduate into second grade now with it. But give me another six months to a year, maybe I can get out of grade school. But what I do understand at this point is leading me to think, well,

If there is an energy system, a type of technology that is being used by, you know, by the UAPs, it's got to be this. I mean, it just seems to fit all the criteria. And if it's not this, what is it then? But I mean, there's so many signals that suggest, yeah, that is the next evolution in mankind's utilization of the natural energies of the universe is the plasma.

And I think that, you know, there's a lot of interesting connections to explore here. Like, for example, and I'm not, we won't get into this discussion, but there certainly does seem to be, because of that fact that we know that plasmas naturally want to cohere into vortices, right? And those vortices seem to be fundamental to so many processes. You know what you were saying about Sheila's work with frequencies. I don't know if you've seen some of the stuff she's doing. She's taking some of those numbers and

The frequencies that I've been teaching people about in the drawings and stuff for decades. And she's showing, she's modeling them in 3D and showing them their changes through time, their frequencies. 432 is a frequency. It's the number of vibrations per second.

and um and they're and they're coherent which is weird so she plugs she plugs all of malcolm's like all of them from specific areas in all of these numbers you're talking about these sacred numbers and they're coherent and you can't really do that if you do random numbers like it's just it looks like a fuzzy jumbled mess right using an oscilloscope and and it's coming out clear actually we have her on the show tomorrow which will be like uh

July 23rd. This will probably come out afterwards, but by the time this comes out, we'll probably have a show with her. It's amazing work. It really is. Oh, it is. Yes. And it really, it's like the next step, the next level of making sense out of

Why this canon of numbers has been so important, so universal, so intrinsic to all of these things that have gone on through history all over the ancient world. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, and then there's the other link, you know, which is probably the key to the mystery of crop circles.

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I was just arguing with some Englishmen about crop circles. Who were you arguing with? Some Englishmen. And what was the nature of the argument? I'll be saying they're fake. Is it James? It's James, right? James from the UK. He's a crop circle enthusiast. He was kind of pointing me out to some place I could go maybe see some crop circles or where they normally happen and

And I was kind of busting his balls. I tend to bust balls on crop circles because for like the fifth or sixth episode of the show, we had on a crop circle maker. So this guy was going out and he was claiming a bunch of these different crop circles he made. And Graham got really offended by the episode. Well, I would like to see his examples because, listen, I –

You know, in my work, we like do we do job layouts, you know, we have to get out there, we use a transit, we lay out things, we set out building lines, you know, we, in a way, you know, I mean, if you wanted to go a little bit more elaborate, you know, like, for example, I mean, we build things that are octagonal. So you go out and you lay out an octagon on the ground, right? And

Clearly, you know, we use, you know, I'll have a fiberglass measuring tape that's very accurate and we'll use a transit and we'll use a laser level, you know, modern stuff. But I know that if we're going to go out to lay out a job, we got a three-man crew and it might, if it's a larger job, it might take us the better part of the day to get the whole thing laid out. Now, my thing is, is I'm looking at some of these crop circles and I'm still straddling the fence on them.

But what's coming to my mind is, okay, if these things are fake, if they're being done, some of them are really elaborate. You would have to, how do you do that? I mean, if I was going to, you know, I'm used to like having a team of 10 guys or more. We're organizing for you. Okay, how do we go in there? It's going to rain on Wednesday. We have to have all this layout and everything done in one day. So get it organized and do it.

Now, if I was taking that same approach to crop circles, I'm going, okay, I've got to get out there with a crew. We're going to be working in the dark, so I suppose we've got to have night goggles on, right? We have to come out there unseen, get in there, and to lay out something of the intricacy of some of these crop circles would be immensely challenging to do it, even in broad daylight over several weeks, right?

Right? That's my point. Now, that doesn't mean that it's not somebody who's come up with some way of doing this and do it over and over and over again and never get caught. Right? Never get caught. And it's not one or two guys out there doing these things. It would have to be a team. So what do you do? Do you bring them in on a bus and everybody gets out with their night goggles on and they get out there without leaving a trace into the fields? And they never get caught. Right?

See, I just, you know, it's like to me to tell me that they're all fake seems to me as outlandish as to say that they're done by aliens. They just don't make sense. And if it is fake, if people are doing it, and I mean, some of the ones that I've seen, the aerial photographs and stuff, it would take me hours to draw the thing on paper, you know, much less go out in the field and draw it over a hundred feet or more. I mean, there's...

There's definitely some fake. I mean, some people have, but they're not all fake because there's changes in the crops that are measured that can't be just trampled. You know, you can't be bending those stocks the way they do just by trampling them. So there's some legitimacy to the mystery for sure, I think. That's one of the ones that Darren and I kind of argue over and differ on, you know.

I tried to commission him to make a crop circle just outside of the old town we used to live in, but he would have no part of it. And it was right under the flight path, too. I was like, we'll get a bunch of publicity. It'll be great. Wait, wait, wait. Who are you trying to commission to do a crop circle? The guy you were interviewing? No, me. Who? Me. Oh, Graham. Oh, you and Graham.

I don't want to be part of faking it. Like, I don't want to be a part of faking the make. I called it the faker maker. Like he was the, you know, the crop circle faker maker. I don't want to perpetuate the man-made circles. Well, see, I can tell you this. On many of our jobs, we use a professional surveyor to come in and do a survey.

And typically, even not a complicated job, a surveyor will come in. It'll take most of the day. Set up and do a survey, mark out the boundary lines, get all the information on. This would be, some of those crop circles would be extraordinarily challenging for a team of highly accomplished surveyors to pull off.

That's my thing is that, okay, let's forget all this, the magic, the psychic stuff, the alien stuff. And let's try to imagine how you would fake them. And that's where I run into a roadblock because I'm thinking as, as somebody who's worked with surveyors, no surveyors work, who's done much building layout on a job site and seem familiar with the techniques by which you would,

demarcate things on landscape, I would go, okay, if somebody said, here, let's see if you can pull this off. One night you go out and here's your geometric shape. You've got to create this in the field in one night. And I would go, oh, how the fuck am I going to do that? See, that's where I come up to this roadblock. And I don't know the resolution to that question because that's how I've thought it through. Okay, if it's fake, like let's say the four of us were going to try to do it,

Now, we wouldn't be able to do it. There's no way. Not in one night. Well, we're not very artistic either. We're not very artistic. Well, I'm a pretty fairly accomplished geometrician. That's true. You should be able to just throw some sticks on some ground and give me a rope and just say, Darren, just go run around, hold the end of the stick, run this way. Then you grab that stick and go the other way. Well, see, that's the misconception there that somebody who is not

you know, done that kind of work as part of their profession, might imagine you just put a stick here and you run over there and you put another stick there and you do your knotted rope or whatever. But circles are notoriously easy to make. Oh, yeah, sure. A single circle.

Hell yeah. I mean, that's, yeah, that's nothing, man. You put a stake in the ground and yeah, I mean, I can do it. I've done it many times just to demonstrate how easy. We should make a crop circle or a sand circle, I guess, maybe on the trip. Find a, uh,

I'll try and come up with a design that we can pull off like just quickly on the beach or something while we're on the tour and see if I can get us to make a passable crop circle that gets you guys maybe on board with me. What do you think, Brad? I'm thinking there might be some fields in September that they would let us out into to crush some things that haven't been turned under yet. Yeah. Yeah. You draw it out. I'll go kick in the dirt and see what happens.

But what do you think about crop circles in general? Well, I think there's both. There's definitely people faking them, but, you know, I don't really want to call it faking. They're making art to mimic what seems to be a phenomenon, right? But just like Graham said, there's stuff that's bent over 90 degrees and they're still growing. You know, there's been some sort of heat treatment or some kind of whatever, and they're still healthy and growing, right?

with this 90-degree bend in them, you know. And they go way back before there was GPS, you know. I was joking a minute ago. Well, maybe somebody's designed something that you can have it and tell you exactly where to be in a field to draw something out quickly, maybe. But they didn't have that in the 70s or earlier when they started showing up.

So I think it's a little bit of both, but you know, I had friends that, Oh, it was Doug and Dave. Right. So, I mean, Doug and Dave came out in the freaking nineties and that's what everybody saw. It was Doug and Dave. And then that was kind of the end of it for a while. I was like, no, come on. Did you see those guys? No. And see, that's where it gets just as absurd as the, to me where people immediately want to go to aliens. Right. Because I, I probably have as good of a grasp of,

what would be involved in pulling something like that off and faking it as, as just about anybody. I mean, because I, unless, unless you've got a small group that has some kind of technologies that nobody else knows about, I mean, using off the shelf technology, like I said, I mean, what are you going to be using? I mean, you'd have to go out there and you'd say, you'd have to set up a laser level. You'd have to set up a transit. You'd have to find a center point. You'd have to set up the transit. You'd have to calibrate it. You'd have to have,

night goggles obviously right but you know one guy couldn't do it two guys couldn't do it there's no way not in a night two guys could do something like that but again uh

Not in one night. That's the problem. See, if it's being faked, somebody has really come up with something. I mean, they're able to get in there. They're able to deploy. They've got their geometry already completely mastered and figured out because they know exactly what they're going to do. They get out there, they find their datum point, they set up, and then within a matter of six hours or something, it's done. They clear out, they're gone, and they never get caught in the act.

I think you could have some big pole or something that elevates. You got drones now, right? It's got a laser on it. It shoots down some concentric circles and then somebody is on the ground and you know, that's, there's, there's, there's ways, but I mean, there are people doing it and they've admitted it and they've shown their designs and they're proud of it. We know they're being made by people. Yeah. I think what Randall was getting at though, was that, that this plasma technology that you're learning about,

has all kinds of applications, creative applications, and it could be being used as they sort of utilize this technology and UFOs and whatever else that they could be doing that as well to test our, I don't know, to test our discernment or to figure out how we're reacting to these designs in the fields. What about natural? Could it be natural? Could it be like some sort of cymatics? Well, that's a fair question. And

well it is like i've said is it some kind of a message do we subconsciously meditatively see this mandala and it means something internally it's for it's part of consciousness expansion at some level that you don't know yet okay so here's the work that randall's going to talk about with the plasma plasma stuff um you know he was on he was presenting with uh

Chandra Van Ram, I can't pronounce his name. Yeah, yeah, with the New Science of Heaven. I mean, when you get into all the different plasma physics, Bob Greenyear's work and all the stuff that's like at the Cosmic Summit, it really sort of overlapped all these people talking about this stuff. That Robert Temple book, yeah, New Science of Heaven, I've recommended that to so many people. Absolutely. Yeah. It says here the most crop circles happen in Wiltshire.

Like real close to Stonehenge. Stonehenge. I was at Stonehenge. I just went to Stonehenge. Dude, I missed the graffitying of Stonehenge by like six days. And I could have been there in my cowboy hat taking out eco-terrorists. Taking them out, yeah. But I missed it. And Anthony was wearing his Grand America shirt too. It would have been great.

Okay, so here's my final approach on this drop circle thing, Darren. I'm going to ally with you. I'm going to go, okay, I'm going to side with Darren in this one. And I'm going to try to think through how you could actually pull this off. If people are pulling it off, they've come up with a system, a methodology that's pretty amazing.

And the fact that they've been able to duplicate this kind of thing over and over, come up with these extremely elaborate designs, transpose them into a field. And they're doing this in one night. They somehow figured out they've got a methodology. For free, too. They're doing it for free. And I want to know.

How are they doing it? In the same way that if I go, okay, wait a second, you guys just went out there and you laid out this big complex job in an hour and it takes me and my crew eight hours to do it. I want to know how you did that.

You see, that's kind of how my approach. However, we do have this kind of work. Like this is from the late W.C. Levengood. He was a biophysicist and he had over 50 scientific papers to his credit. So this is one of his papers and he says it's entitled, it was published in Physiologia Plantarum, which is a journal of botanical research primarily. It's a bunch of botanists and guys who study plants. A bunch of hippies.

Physiologia plantarum. Okay, and this is in his abstract. Crop formations consist of geometrically organized regions ranging from 2 to 80 meters in diameter in which the plants, primarily grain crops, are flattened in a horizontal position.

Plants from crop formations display anatomical alterations which cannot be accounted for by assuming the formations are hoaxes. Near the soil surface, the curved stems often form complex swirls with vortex-type patterns.

In the present paper, evidence is presented which indicates that structural and cellular alterations take place in plants exposed within the confines of the circle-type formations, differences which were determined to be statistically significant when compared with control plants taken outside the formations. So it goes on, but that kind of gives you the point. There are the issue that Graham raised,

about literally alterations in the plant structure itself. Yeah, I think I remember seeing something about that a long time ago on like back when they used to show cool stuff on TV. Well, I wouldn't be surprised. No, they don't really show too cool stuff. But I've seen Stonehenge.

We actually parked at the old woodhenge and walked all the way from where they say that the village of that, the people that the last people that were using Stonehenge lived and walk that whole way. It's like, oh, I want to say it took about 45 minutes to walk, but you got to like walk up on Stonehenge for through these fields and have it sort of just come out of the background and get bigger and bigger and.

until you were there and then you were just on the you know you were five feet away from the people that paid the money and went into the busy parking lot and queued in the kiosk and and we got to do it for free so i thought it was a pretty interesting um not only was it free but it was a lot more of an authentic experience and you know just getting off where there's 10 buses parked and queue and you walk around this boardwalk and go along it was kind of neat to to walk up on it and see the horizon for a while but the other cool

thing I seen while I was over there was up in Edinburgh I saw a gothic Cathedral type thing but it wasn't really a cathedral it's just like an almost like an Eiffel Tower like a weird gothic Eiffel Tower and then of course I went to the Canterbury Cathedral which is the only Cathedral I've ever been to and I wasn't really sure what to expect

But it was mind-blowing. It was crazy. I couldn't believe the intricacy of everything, of every little detail of everything that, you know, if you made it today, it would just be a corner or just be an arch. But everything was ornate. From one corner to the other, every bit of it was...

ornate the ceiling was probably over a hundred feet tall it was it was really something it was it'd be hard and you got the sense that you could have a thousand people in there

And it wouldn't get really hot because the ceilings are so high. And you'd still be able to hear whoever was at the front. I mean, honestly, to walk in that building, it's almost a religious experience in itself. It really is like, whoa, man, this is something else. This is on a level of no building I've ever been in in my life. Yeah, yeah. And when you walk out of that, you start thinking about the consciousness of

behind that and the level of organization and inspiration. Because transplant that now into Chartres, Amiens, Reims, Notre Dame, Lyon, Bourget. Keep going. There was 150 years where the whole of European society was behind this project. Now, how do you motivate? How do you get that kind of unification around that?

a specific vision. We're going to build these incredible structures using this new engineering system that primarily uses tensile forces rather than compressive forces like have been used in virtually all architecture since the beginning of civilization. And you include the element of astronomy, because I can guarantee you Canterbury is oriented astronomically just like all the rest of them. So you know there was an astronomer involved in determining the layout.

And see in here, yeah, and this is where it starts. The template, you have to lay it out on the ground. So you start with a geometric model. You start with a 3D idea. You have your template. And then that has to essentially be duplicated in two dimensions on the ground. But wait, before we go any further, I've got to ask this. So couldn't this, like, modern-day circle-making thing be like the –

the new version of that like the the like it's gone underground and because that's i mean there is kind of that weird beauty in those things too that you just look at them and you're like wow this is something else interesting question but it brings me back to the thing that that that is the question prominent in my mind what is the technology they're employing to do this i mean are they employing laser transits

like I would be doing if I was trying to do it, duplicate it, or anybody else or any surveyor that you knew, using the technology that would be available within, shall we say, the conventional framework, it would be extremely difficult to pull off. It would be extremely challenging to pull off.

This is not to say that somebody isn't doing it, but in the same way that, you know, since I've been in this building industry, I've seen lots of changes, innovations that speed things up, you know, just the shift from swinging a ham nailer to using a pneumatic nail. But there's dozens of things like that, you know, shifting from just using a siding to

tube, basically transit to shifting over and using laser transits, right? Well, 20, 20, 30 years ago, nobody's using laser transits. Now every surveyor is using a laser transit, right? What will they be doing in 20 or 30 years? Okay, so now in the way I'm thinking about this problem, okay, if they're being hoaxed, well, what is the technology? Because I have a very hard time imagining the

that they would be using the standard surveyor's technology to pull these things off. See, that's the... If you were going to do this, if you were going to duplicate some of these, you would go out there and what you would do, you would be setting up like theater lights around to illuminate the whole thing. You would carefully have to lay this out on a site and then you got to flatten all this. But before you do that, you have to have the key points of your composition all laid out and determined beforehand.

Just like when I go on the building site, I've got blueprints and I've got my ground plan, the plot plan it's called. And I go out there and I use that and I go, okay, we start out by staking. We run stakes where all the key points are. And that's only the first step. I don't know how you would do that, not going through the processes that I do. That's why I go, okay, I'm going to go and think somebody, if somebody's doing this, have they come up with some technology that,

That allows that within which they can do this, because obviously I can do things presumably more efficient than my predecessors of a generation or two ago because I have more advanced and sophisticated technology. Right. But using that sophisticated technology would still be challenging as hell to pull off some of these things in a single night.

But now we have this. This is also from Physiologia Plantarum. You'll like this, Graham.

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Talbot with BLT. I'm not sure what that is. It's in Cambridge, Massachusetts. I'll do this and then I can be quiet for the rest of the evening. The findings reported here lend further support to a decade of research, get this Graham, which suggests that over 95% of worldwide crop formations, are you ready?

involve organized ion plasma vortices that deliver lower atmospheric energy components of sufficient magnitude to produce significant bending, expansion, and the formation of unique expulsion cavities in plant stem pluveni, as well as significant changes in seedling development

Here we just demonstrate that in a number of formations, quantitative node alterations can be directly related to fundamental concepts of electromagnetic energy absorption through the atmosphere. And then it goes on. So presumably someone inside our solar system is using plasma technology to make crop circles on Earth. It's almost like a calling card for a reason, right? Okay, you're getting into some really interesting territory. 50 years ago.

What's the date on that? If, I mean, okay, so let's lay that out as a working hypothesis. Someone is doing it. Someone is faking it. And they're using a technology that the rest of us don't know about. Which then brings us to the question of, well, who are they? Who is doing this? Who's behind it? And what specifically is the technology? Well, this may be a very interesting hint.

Right here, what I just read. This is a whole paper. Graham, if you'd like this paper, I'll send you a copy of it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. When's it from? Well, it's from 1999. 99, okay. So according to the Book of Knowledge, there's an alleged 1678 news pamphlet, The Mowing Devil, or Strange News at a Hartfordshire, which is where I went for the Tyco's Conference. It was a weird little synchronicity. I was just in Hartfordshire.

or however these guys say their weird words, a couple of weeks ago, claimed to be the first depiction of a crop circle. And 1686, Robert Plott reported arcs of mushrooms called fairy rings. And in 1880, a letter to the editor of Nature by amateur scientist John Rand Capron described several circles of flattened crops caused by a strange cyclonic action in the wind.

In the wind. But those aren't caused by wind. No, no, those aren't caused by wind. But yeah, I mean, look at those. Now, go for this one. Stop right where you're at. Second row, second from the left. That one. And that's huge, too. That's a really big one. Now, I'm going to tell you, man, to get out there in one night and do that. No, I mean, like I said, that would be.

enormously challenging. I don't know how you would do that using, like if I got the best surveyors in the world with their equipment out there and I said, let's do this. I don't know how you would, I mean, I just don't know how you do it.

So you don't have like a... I was hoping you might just pull out some little sacred geometry trick that you're like, well, yeah, if you have a compass and a stick, you could whip this up in three hours, Darren. That's what I was hoping for. No, I can't do that. I wish I could do that, but I can't do that. Now, what I would go... If there's somehow...

Somebody is employing plasma technology here. Man, it almost looks plowed. It's really crazy how well they... Yeah. How flat they get it. I mean, it'd be hard to even just do that with a stick and get it that straight. Yeah, I mean, look at that. How are you going to do that in one night? It's like layered. What? There's like two layers. Oh, there's the torus right there, in a way, right? That one. Yeah. So...

This is something I'm thinking about. Oh, there's one. Oh, there's Doug. Upper row left on the left. Oh, there's me and Gramnick in our circle. Yeah. So this is what I'm saying here. That's more likely to be the thing that, you know, whoever they were, Doug and Dave. I mean, look at it. Come on. Okay. Oh, yeah. So...

Oh, man. There's several of those that have definitely been done by artists. Which one there was done by artists? I would say several of them that we've seen there. Which ones? The one, well, how do you describe them? The one with all the circles in the field? Yeah, some were done by artists, but it's hard to tell just from these pictures here. Man, look at the scale of that thing. Yeah.

Yeah, so there's the people lying inside it. Okay, so the first thing you'd have to do there is you'd have to go out and you'd have to lay out an accurate heptagon in the field. That would be the first step for that last one you had up there, the seven-pointed star. And then, yeah, you'd have to draw rings. That one perhaps could be faked. But again, maybe the issue is, you know, the physiology of the plants. In the faked ones, is there a difference between...

between the plant physiology in the faked ones and the hypothetical not faked ones yeah yeah yeah wait go back oh i mean yeah shit look at that okay right there stop all the way over to the right let's look at that one they're gonna show us this whole thing here for wide magazine oh man

Yeah, some of those are pretty tricky to pull off. Now, how does a bunch of people tromping around in the field in one night do that? Yeah, you need to zoom in. You know how much work that would take? I mean, come on. That's not doable. And you're out there at night, right? And you're trying to stumble around in the fields at night with what? Ropes and...

And sticks? You see, though, out on the outer rings, there are rows.

So it's not just one flattened band. There's like somebody could have done that seven times going around, whatever they had flattening. Can you see what I'm talking about? Yeah, right here. I mean, as intricate as that is, I don't know if that's one that's claimed to be done overnight. What's the diameter of that one there? Yeah, you do have to be careful because some of them will be, oh, we took a week and we did it all day long. And, you know, like they're not all done overnight, but a lot of them are.

But I would say those, I can't remember the difference between these tram tracks. I can't remember what they're called, these tracks. Yeah, for the machinery, you'd have a standard width of those that you could. Yes, probably 16 feet. Probably 16. I think they're bigger than that. Yeah, they're bigger. Bigger? Not all of them, but yeah, some of them. So they might be 70 or 80 feet in diameter. Okay, so let's say you had 80 feet in diameter times pi. Okay.

but yeah that one that was so intricate that you started with i i don't know it seems like that's over 100 yards it's like 360 feet across i don't know why i remember that but i remember that yeah that's huge let's say 300 feet so i go that times pi so that's almost a thousand feet in circumference okay so that would mean that if you made that circumference five times you've walked a mile yeah yeah and if you're walking

What, two miles an hour? How long would it take you to get a lot of dudes? Half hour per circumference, yeah. I'm pretty good on my lawn tractor, though, Randall. I don't know. I might be able to whip something up. Well, there we go. See, now we're getting into the technology question. Are they sneaking in lawn tractors? Is that the secret? Silent ones.

The silent lawn tractor. The battery ones, the Tesla lawn tractor. Yeah, they're electric. That's right. But so if you've got a thousand foot circumference and you go around five times, you've had to walk a mile. So I don't know how, you know, again, at night walking in a field. Now, this is presumably he's not just like walking down a sidewalk. He's having to crush the grain, right?

So, I mean, he's only going to be walking a fraction of the velocity he would be moving like in a normal walk, which is, what, two to three miles per hour. Yeah. Right? So just it would seem that that alone would take all night to do, if you could even do it all in one night. Do you think it needs to be done locally, or do you think it could be, like, just, like, sort of, like, beamed out or done from, say, you know, like the moon or Mars or something like that from orbit? I don't know. But...

I would think that what it is, if I was going to try to think in terms of a technology and the hint that we just saw here, the fact, what did he call it? Organized ion plasma vortices. If he's onto something, then it's like, okay, how do we technologically organize ion plasma vortices? And then how do we transpose those into a crop field? They're programmed. Yes. Like a stylus.

Yeah, exactly. See, like you've got some kind of a way of, you know, could it be something akin to a focused, almost laser-like? I mean, and it would seem like you're done from above. I mean, again, the problem is, you know, you pick a field and like to do those complicated things in one night, you couldn't, a couple of guys couldn't do that. I mean, you got to have,

You would have to have a team. So you got to get the team delivered to the site. It has to have been. And it's just like, you know, those examples where, for example, they build a whole house in a day. They sometimes will have competitions where they'll get different crews out there and they'll all have a task and they have to like build a house in a day. Well,

The fact that they build a house in a day didn't just happen. It meant that they rehearsed and practiced it for months, for months, coordinating every single move. And you'd have to have that level of organization. I mean, if it's people out there tramping in the field, you'd have to have, they would have to be so rehearsed

Now, can we show that the frequency at which these things happen, would that imply that there would have to then be multiple teams? Because I think, what is the frequency? I mean, how many will show up typically in a summer? Dozens, right? Dozens, yeah. 30 averages, 30 a summer. 30, okay. So that means...

on that on some considerable level of sophistication this team would have to go out there and have rehearsed and i mean your distance isn't the kind of thing you're going to be able to rehearse and do in a couple of nights you would have to have every move choreographed and coordinated right down almost to the second to pull something like this off in a single night and yet

That would be like saying we're going to bring together an orchestra and we're going to play a masterpiece symphony. And 30 in a summer, what are we talking about? 30 over four months maybe or three months? What are we talking about? Probably four months I'd call it. English summer is more like four months. Okay, so 120 days divided by 30 means that one has to be produced every four days. Now imagine you're getting a symphony orchestra who's going to master a very complex composition.

They play it, and then they have to do it again in four days. You know that when you go and listen to an orchestra, they've practiced for months to get it perfect. And we're looking at something. I wonder why. Go ahead. Yeah, you wonder why. Why would 28 of the 30, or sorry, I guess it would be 26 of the 30, be in Wiltshire? I don't know.

I have no idea. The wheelchair doesn't come up in any of your searching over the years or looking at any of that stuff? Nothing special about the wheelchair? Only as being like a central location for megastructures, you know, megalithic stuff and hinges and that kind of thing.

Because it's not far from Avebury, I wouldn't say either then, right? Avebury's in Wiltshire, yeah. Is it? Is it? So that's where the standing circles are too, the standing stones. That's right where I was, yeah. Now, does that mean that there's some unique property or energy or force? I mean, I don't know. Yes. I don't know. I was amazed that there was nobody at those standing stones. I literally had the place to myself. Really? Which standing stones? The Avebury ones. I think it's the biggest one. Yeah.

I had to like steal parking at some pub across the road and had to like buy something there so it wasn't too shady and then just walk there and there was nobody else there. We walked around the whole sort of thing, did the trail around, checked it all out. I mean, the whole site is kind of neat because you can also see where they like dug a moat up and piled up. You know, there's a bunch of earthworks going on there as well. Yeah. So I think, Darren, to conclude this discussion on crop circles, I would say this.

If they're hoaxed, and I'm not sure what we mean by hoaxed then, you know, to me a hoax, yeah, some guys out there in the fields with sticks and ropes and planks, okay, my impression is that if somebody's doing these, they've figured something out and they're using some kind of technology that we don't know about. And that's not out of the question that there are people who maybe have some technological knowledge that,

that is not generally known. And it's just people out there that have figured out some kind of, and the thing is, I'm not saying people out there to imply that it's people out there walking around in the fields, right? But the question becomes is if there is a technology being employed here, then there's two major questions that I would leave this discussion with. One, what exactly is the nature of this technology?

And then who in the hell is it that's using this technology to do this? The man in the moon. Again, what and who? It's an inside competition between Raytheon Bike Shop and Lockheed Skunk Works. Is that what it is? Okay. Well, who knows? I mean, you know, Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency. Who knows? Some defectors from there? I don't know. I don't know. But I tell you what, let's get to the bottom of it, Graham.

let's do it i mean it could have been the people that were rolling around in airships 150 years ago yeah yeah but i guess uh it's as good a time as any to wrap this up hey we should get out of here we've gone over two hours probably almost two and a half yeah two and a half getting close yeah so i was gonna ask uh well several things i'll just hold on we'll do this again eventually but yeah the the uh uh

cosmic summit had the snake brothers speaking uncharted x ben speaking and playing right randall got on stage to play the drums with 50 dynasty and ben is that right so is that available on video because the theme of the show is 50 dynasty you know yeah kyle and russ's band and randall got up there to play the drums with them so i'm wondering if that's part of

you know, the live stream from the cosmic summit. Is that available for people to see? Probably. I, I, I can't say for sure, but I would imagine that it was recorded. Yeah. I just wish we need to look. I just wish I'd had a, a, a, a time or two to rehearse with them, you know, cause then I think I could have really gotten into the groove, but I, I kind of held my own, but yeah, if I could rehearse with those guys, but,

You know, I'm just, I'm yearning and missing for the days when I played in a band. It was so much fun that obviously I got to get it going again somehow. And I know that in our vast network of people, there's got to be some musicians that would. All right. So yeah. Miss those guys. Episode 109 in the books though. Thanks, Graham and Darren.

Good to have you with us. Happy 10th anniversary of the Randall's first show with you guys. Yeah. Thank you guys. Synchronistically here on a 22, seven ancients pie day. Even we'll, we'll make a big circle of that too. Uh, more to come. Check out the tours. Randall Carlson.com is the way to find everything. And we'll see you on the next one. Thanks everybody. Add anything in, do it, but yeah, we're out. Great show. The moon later.

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