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Four More Weeks: What December Will Mean for Stocks

2024/12/2
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Ben Levisohn: 主持讨论,引导嘉宾就就业报告、美联储政策、地缘政治风险、个股表现(特斯拉、Salesforce、Campbell、ChargePoint、Dollar Tree、Dollar General、苹果、英伟达)等方面发表观点,并就市场短期和长期走势进行预测。 Al Root: 对短期市场预测持谨慎态度,认为年底可能出现圣诞上涨行情,但美联储12月18日的会议至关重要,可能影响市场预期。长期来看,关注企业盈利增长,认为只要盈利持续增长,标普500指数就不会出现灾难性下跌。关注地缘政治风险和利率变化。认为Alphabet是未来五年值得持有的股票。 Nick Jasinski: 认为11月新增就业岗位预计为20万,但需谨慎看待,需结合10月数据综合判断就业市场整体趋势。美联储官员近期言论显示,他们没有急于降息的必要,预计未来降息步伐将放缓。市场情绪指标显示极度乐观,这是一种反向指标,暗示市场可能面临回调。长期来看,预计2025年美国经济将保持稳健增长,但地缘政治风险是主要的不确定性因素。建议持有标普500指数ETF(SPY)。 Al Root: 认为Salesforce有望超出预期并上调未来预期,但其估值较高。对ChargePoint的未来发展表示担忧,认为其业绩不佳,股价下跌。认为Dollar Tree和Dollar General公司股价下跌,原因是消费者转向沃尔玛和好市多等提供更高性价比商品的零售商。认为特斯拉股价目前偏高,建议持有比例较低,其未来增长潜力主要依赖于自动驾驶技术的突破。认为苹果公司估值较高,且在人工智能领域的投资力度不及其他科技公司。 Nick Jasinski: 认为金宝汤公司的新战略并未得到投资者的认可,该公司本季度盈利预计下降。认为Dollar Tree和Dollar General公司面临成本上升的压力,且放弃1美元定价策略导致消费者出现价格冲击。认为苹果公司在人工智能领域的进展滞后于其他科技公司,这可能会影响其股价表现。

Deep Dive

Key Insights

What is the expected jobs growth for November and how does it compare to October?

The consensus estimate for November is 200,000 jobs added, a significant rebound from just 12,000 jobs added in October. October's low numbers were influenced by hurricanes in the U.S. Southeast and the Boeing strike, which removed 30,000 workers from the workforce.

What is the current unemployment rate and how has it trended recently?

The unemployment rate is expected to tick up to 4.2% in November from 4.1%. It has been bouncing around this level for the past six months, having been at 4.3% as recently as August.

What does the current jobs data imply for the Federal Reserve's interest rate decisions?

The jobs data, combined with upcoming CPI data, will influence the Fed's decision on whether to cut or pause interest rates in December. Currently, futures market odds are about 60/40 in favor of a cut. However, Fed officials, including Chairman Jerome Powell, have indicated no rush to cut rates due to solid economic conditions and firmer inflation readings.

What are the key risks to the stock market heading into 2025?

Key risks include geopolitical tensions, potential changes in fiscal policy under the new administration, and the possibility of a currency crisis if the dollar strengthens further. Additionally, the bond market could react negatively to deficit-increasing policies, potentially leading to a failed treasury auction and market panic.

How has Elon Musk's relationship with Donald Trump impacted Tesla's stock?

Tesla's stock has added about $300 billion in market value since the election, partly due to Elon Musk's close ties with President-elect Donald Trump. Investors believe the Trump presidency could benefit Tesla through lower taxes, proximity to the president, and potential federal standards on self-driving cars.

What is the outlook for Tesla's stock given its current valuation?

Tesla's stock is considered frothy, with a significant portion of its valuation tied to future opportunities like self-driving cars and robots. Analysts suggest that Tesla could be fairly valued at around $200 per share for its core businesses, with the rest of the stock price reflecting speculative future growth. The stock has rallied post-election, but earnings estimates for 2025 and 2026 have not changed, indicating that the stock has become more expensive.

What are the expectations for Salesforce's earnings and its focus on AI?

Salesforce is expected to beat and raise its earnings guidance, with a focus on AI and large language models (LLMs) to improve workflows. The company recently hosted a major AI event called Dreamforce, signaling its commitment to AI-driven growth. The stock is up about 26% year-to-date and trades at 30 times 2025 adjusted earnings.

Why are Dollar Tree and Dollar General struggling despite economic conditions favoring discount retailers?

Dollar Tree and Dollar General are struggling due to rising costs related to labor and transportation, as well as a shift in consumer preference towards value retailers like Walmart and Costco. Both companies have moved away from the $1 price model, leading to customer sticker shock and declining earnings. Dollar Tree is also dealing with the fallout from its acquisition of Family Dollar, which has not performed well.

What is the outlook for Apple's stock given its position in the AI race?

Apple's stock is trading at a record high, but it is considered expensive at 32 times calendar 2025 earnings. The company has been a latecomer to the AI race, relying on outsourcing AI expertise rather than aggressively investing in its own AI technologies. This contrasts with competitors like Microsoft, Amazon, and Alphabet, which are heavily investing in AI.

What stock would you hold for the next five years?

Al recommends Alphabet, citing its investment in AI and potential for long-term growth despite current sentiment being at a trough. Nick suggests SPY, the S&P 500 ETF, as a high-confidence option given its historical performance over five-year periods.

Chapters
This chapter analyzes the November jobs report, its implications for the Fed's dual mandate, and the potential impact on the stock market. Experts discuss the expected job growth, unemployment rate, and the Fed's likely response, considering the upcoming CPI data and the balance between price stability and maximum employment.
  • Consensus estimates for 200,000 jobs added in November
  • Unemployment rate expected to tick up to 4.2%
  • Messy reports due to hurricanes and Boeing strike
  • Overall job market trend is cooling, but still strong
  • Fed's decision on December meeting (cut or pause) will depend on jobs report and CPI data
  • No rush to cut rates, according to Fed officials
  • Outlook for 2025 suggests higher growth and inflation, slowing rate cuts

Shownotes Transcript

Barron's Deputy Editor Ben Levisohn, Associate Editor Al Root, and Senior Writer Nicholas Jasinski discuss the Fed, payrolls and other potential pitfalls as markets head into year end.