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The Roaring '20s Economy and Stock Market

2024/12/23
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Ed Yardeni: 我于2019年首次提出2020年代经济强劲增长的观点。这一预测基于对生产力增长的乐观预期,特别是技术进步对生产力的提升作用。我认为,劳动力短缺,特别是熟练劳动力的短缺,将进一步推动生产力增长。与1920年代类似,新技术的涌现将显著提高生活水平和实际购买力,从而带动股市上涨。虽然关税政策存在潜在风险,但我认为经济衰退的可能性较低。我预计标普500指数将在未来十年内达到1万点,经济繁荣可能持续到2030年代。 尽管市场估值较高,特别是科技巨头的估值,但我认为这反映了市场对经济持续增长的预期。美联储的政策存在不确定性,但我不认为这会构成重大风险。我更倾向于认为美联储的政策可能导致市场快速上涨(melt-up)。 潜在的风险包括地缘政治局势、债务危机等,但我认为这些风险的概率较低。生产力增长是抑制通胀、促进经济增长和提高企业利润的关键因素。我预计2025年每股收益将达到285美元。 我长期以来一直看好市场,认为市场通常会上涨。我关注信贷市场中的风险,但认为信贷体系比以往更加具有韧性。我对美国财政赤字表示担忧,但认为特朗普政府的措施可能有助于缓解这一问题。我认为,如果美国政府能够有效控制财政赤字,债务危机的影响将得到缓解。 我认为加密货币是投机泡沫,但我承认自己错过了投资机会。我建议投资者将所有公司都视为科技公司,评估其生产力提升的能力。我认为房地产投资信托基金(REITs)和公用事业公司在2025年将表现良好,特别是那些与工业设施和数据中心相关的公司。 Lauren R. Rublin: 主要关注市场估值过高以及美联储可能放缓降息甚至加息的风险。 Ben Levisohn: 分析师对2025年盈利增长的预测存在分歧,但普遍认为经济增长将带动盈利增长。他认为Nordstrom家族的私有化交易对非家族股东不利。他认为零售业的赢家和输家差距越来越大,只有那些能够保持灵活性和控制成本的零售商才能生存。他分析了企业分拆的趋势,并指出分拆后的公司往往表现更好。他还推荐了几只被低估的股票,这些股票的技术指标显示出潜在的买入机会。

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What is Ed Yardeni's 'Roaring 2020s' thesis based on?

Ed Yardeni's 'Roaring 2020s' thesis is based on better-than-expected productivity growth driven by the digital revolution. He believes advancements in technology will allow faster and cheaper data processing, leading to significant productivity gains, similar to the industrial revolution of the 1920s. This, combined with lower inflation, record profit margins, and rising real wages, forms the foundation of his bullish outlook for the decade.

What is Ed Yardeni's S&P 500 target for the end of the decade?

Ed Yardeni predicts the S&P 500 will reach 10,000 by the end of the 2020s, driven by strong productivity growth, lower inflation, and rising corporate earnings. He also suggests the bullish trend could extend into the 2030s.

What are the potential risks to Ed Yardeni's 'Roaring 2020s' scenario?

The primary risks include geopolitical tensions, trade wars, and tariffs, which could disrupt economic growth. Yardeni also mentions the possibility of a debt crisis, though he assigns a low probability (20%) to these risks. He remains optimistic, citing the economy's resilience to past challenges like interest rate hikes and oil price spikes.

How does Ed Yardeni view the current market valuation and the role of the Magnificent Seven?

Yardeni acknowledges that the market is richly priced, with the S&P 500 trading at over 20 times earnings. The Magnificent Seven (e.g., Apple, Microsoft) account for 30% of the S&P 500's market cap and have a forward P/E of 30, while the rest of the market trades at around 19. He believes these companies will continue to dominate due to their technological advancements and market leverage.

What is Ed Yardeni's outlook on the Federal Reserve's interest rate policy?

Yardeni is not concerned about the Fed's interest rate policy, believing the economy is already at full employment with inflation close to 2%. He criticizes the Fed's focus on a 'neutral rate' and warns that further rate cuts could lead to a market 'melt-up,' which he assigns a 25% probability.

What sectors does Ed Yardeni recommend overweighting for 2025?

Yardeni recommends overweighting technology, communication services, industrials, and financials. He has reduced his emphasis on energy due to underperformance but remains neutral on materials and healthcare, which he sees as contrarian opportunities.

What is Ed Yardeni's view on corporate spinoffs and their performance?

Yardeni highlights the success of corporate spinoffs, particularly GE's split into GE Aerospace, GE Healthcare, and GE Vernova. He notes that spinoffs often perform better as independent entities, with the spinoff index up 63% in 2024. Companies like Honeywell and FedEx are also pursuing spinoffs to unlock value.

What is Ed Yardeni's opinion on Bitcoin and cryptocurrency?

Yardeni refers to Bitcoin as 'digital tulips,' comparing it to the historical tulip bubble. While he acknowledges its speculative potential and global market reach, he remains skeptical and does not own any Bitcoin. He also raises concerns about quantum computing potentially undermining cryptocurrency security.

What are some out-of-favor stocks that could present opportunities in 2025?

Boeing, Nike, Ulta Beauty, and Verisign are identified as out-of-favor stocks with potential for recovery. Boeing, despite its challenges, is seen as a turnaround candidate due to its new CEO and resumption of 737 MAX production. Nike faces competition but remains a strong brand, while Ulta Beauty and Verisign are viewed as quality companies with growth potential.

What is Ed Yardeni's outlook for REITs and utilities in 2025?

Yardeni believes REITs and utilities will perform well in 2025, particularly those tied to industrial facilities and data centers. He notes that utilities have become an AI play due to their energy demands, while REITs could benefit from lower interest rates and a recovering commercial real estate market.

Shownotes Transcript

Ed Yardeni, president of Yardeni Research, has predicted the economy will "roar" through the 2020s and perhaps into the 2030s, propelled by productivity growth. It's a bullish recipe for markets, too. Barron's Senior Managing Editor Lauren R. Rublin and Deputy Editor Ben Levisohn talk with Yardeni about his Roaring 20s thesis, and his 2025 market outlook.