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Jobs Report in Focus Amid More Signs of Softness

2025/6/6
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Colette O'Claire: 今天发布的五月份非农就业数据将检验一个理论,该理论认为,像就业和零售销售这样的硬性数据并没有受到美国和中国国家主席昨天讨论的关税紧张局势的太大影响。分析师预计就业增长将从四月份的17.7万人降至13万人。然而,估计范围从最少的9.5万人到最多的17.5万人不等,预计失业率将保持在4.2%,工资环比增长0.3%。非农就业人数总体呈下降趋势,但四月份的报告表现强劲,最近的数据常常出人意料地表现强劲。然而,上周首次申请失业救济金人数和裁员数据引发了对就业市场的担忧,这发生在就业数据公布的前一天。根据挑战者裁员报告,上个月雇主裁员约9.4万人,低于四月份的约1.1万人,但服务行业的裁员人数激增。同时,首次申请失业救济金人数连续第二周上升至24.7万人,达到八个月来的高点。持续申请失业救济金人数回升至190万以上,接近四年来的高点。特朗普总统与中国国家主席习近平进行了贸易通话,但细节不多,市场反应不大。特朗普暗示,关于中国用于工业和汽车的关键矿产的争议是讨论的一部分,但由于信息不足,市场对此消息反应平淡。特斯拉股价因特朗普与马斯克之间的争端而大幅波动,特朗普威胁要终止马斯克数十亿美元的政府补贴和合同。特斯拉的大市值本身就给标普500指数带来了压力。博通的季度收入和每股收益略高于分析师的平均预期,但对第三季度收入的预测略高于市场预期。Lululemon 的盈利指引令人失望,导致股价在盘后交易中大幅下跌。未来几天,焦点将回到国债上,即将举行新的政府债券拍卖,包括三年期和十年期国债。较低的收益率可能表明经济增长放缓,而较高的收益率可能意味着消费者和公司的借贷成本增加。下周将发布备受关注的美国月度消费者价格指数(CPI)报告。市场目前预计今年将降息两次,但就业数据可能是关键。标普500指数未能突破6000点的心理关口,随后下跌,这通常会引发更多抛售。道琼斯工业平均指数下跌108点,跌幅0.25%。标普500指数下跌31.51点,跌幅0.53%,纳斯达克综合指数下跌162.04点,跌幅0.83%。 Cooper Howard: 初请失业金人数的上升表明劳动力市场出现了一些疲软。如果今天的就业报告继续显示疲软,可能促使美联储更加关注六月和七月的就业数据,投资者可能会期待九月份降息。作为施瓦布金融研究中心的固定收益策略主管,我个人认为就业数据是影响美联储决策的关键因素,而初请失业金人数的增加预示着劳动力市场可能面临挑战。如果这种趋势持续下去,美联储可能会重新评估其货币政策,并考虑在未来几个月内采取行动以支持经济增长。我将密切关注接下来的就业数据,以判断这是否仅仅是暂时的波动,还是更深层次问题的迹象。此外,全球经济形势和贸易紧张局势也可能对美联储的决策产生影响,因此需要综合考虑各种因素。 Nathan Peterson: 人工智能的长期增长故事和相应的投资推动是推动对经济和增长的乐观情绪的关键支柱之一。作为施瓦布金融研究中心的衍生品分析主管,我认为人工智能的快速发展正在对经济产生深远的影响。这种技术不仅提高了生产力,还创造了新的商业模式和就业机会。投资者对人工智能的乐观情绪反映了对未来增长潜力的信心。然而,我也意识到人工智能发展带来的风险,例如技术失业和社会不平等。因此,我们需要采取措施来确保人工智能的发展能够惠及所有人,并最大限度地减少潜在的负面影响。我将继续关注人工智能领域的最新进展,并评估其对经济和市场的影响。 Kathy Jones: 政治和经济的不确定性可能会加剧固定收益市场的波动。作为施瓦布的首席固定收益策略师,我认为当前的市场环境充满了挑战。政治事件和经济数据的变化都可能对固定收益市场产生重大影响。投资者需要保持警惕,并密切关注市场动态。我建议投资者采取多元化的投资策略,以降低风险。此外,了解不同类型固定收益产品的特点和风险也很重要。我将继续为投资者提供专业的分析和建议,帮助他们做出明智的投资决策。全球长期收益率上升的趋势表明,过去20年积累的政府预算赤字需要更高的收益率才能吸引投资者,尤其是在低利率和低通胀时期。

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The May jobs report is expected to show 130,000 new jobs, but recent data suggests a softening labor market. Initial jobless claims rose to an eight-month high, and layoffs increased in the services sector. The Federal Reserve may focus on upcoming jobs numbers if softening continues.
  • May nonfarm payrolls report expected to show 130,000 new jobs
  • Initial weekly jobless claims edged up for the second straight week to 247,000
  • Layoffs soared in the services sector
  • Odds of a September rate cut are around 75 percent

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Welcome to the Schwab Market Update podcast, where we prepare you for each trading day with a recap of recent news and a look at what's ahead. I'm Colette O'Claire, and here is Schwab's early look at the markets for Friday, June 6th. May jobs data takes center stage this morning, even as trade news swirls after a discussion between the U.S. and Chinese presidents. Investors also studied earnings from Broadcom and Lululemon.

Today's May nonfarm payrolls report at 8.30 a.m. ET tests a theory that suggests so-called hard data, like jobs and retail sales, haven't seen much effect from tariff tensions that the two presidents discussed yesterday.

Analysts expect jobs growth of 130,000, down from 177,000 in April. However, estimates range from as few as 95,000 to as many as 175,000, with unemployment expected to stay at 4.2% and wage growth up 0.3% month over month. Non-farm payrolls have generally been falling, but April's report was solid and recent data have often surprised with their strength.

However, initial weekly jobless claims and layoffs data Thursday raised fresh concerns about the jobs market a day before the payrolls number.

Employers cut around 94,000 jobs last month, according to the Challenger Job Cuts report, down from about 11,000 from April, but layoffs soared in the services sector. Meanwhile, initial weekly jobless claims edged up for the second straight week to 247,000, an eight-month high. And continuing claims were back above 1.9 million, a nearly four-year high.

The rise in initial jobless claims suggests some softening in the labor market, said Cooper Howard, director of fixed income strategy at the Schwab Center for Financial Research.

If softening continues in today's jobs report, it wouldn't necessarily mean a trend, but might get the Federal Reserve more focused on June and July jobs numbers as investors look ahead to a possible September rate cut. Odds of that are around 75 percent, according to the CME FedWatch tool.

A number of big stories vied for investors' attention yesterday, including President Trump's phone call on trade with Chinese President Xi, which was instigated by Trump. After the call, Trump reported progress and said there'd be more meetings soon between lower-level officials from the two countries, but offered few details.

Trump hinted that a dispute over critical minerals from China for industrial and automotive use was part of the discussion, Behrens reported. With information thin, the market didn't appear to move much on the news.

Tesla stock moved dramatically on Trump-elated news, however, as a feud between Trump and CEO Elon Musk over the federal budget went public, and Trump threatened to terminate billions of dollars of Musk's governmental subsidies and contracts. Tesla shares, which had rallied from April lows in recent weeks despite falling sales abroad, fell double digits and pulled down the S&P consumer discretionary sector.

Tesla's large market capitalization on its own contributed to pressure on the S&P 500 index. The other big story yesterday was the initial public offering, or IPO, of Circle Internet Group, which traded more than 100% higher than its debut price at times.

In earnings yesterday, Broadcom slightly surpassed analysts' average estimates for quarterly revenue and earnings per share while forecasting third-quarter revenues just above consensus. Shares fell initially in post-market trading.

Yesterday afternoon also brought earnings from retailer Lululemon, with shares off double digits initially in post-market trading as earnings guidance disappointed. Next week is light on earnings, but one tech firm to watch is Oracle on Wednesday.

The AI secular growth story and corresponding investment push is certainly one of the key pillars that is fueling the bullish optimism about the economy and growth, said Nathan Peterson, director of derivatives analysis at the Schwab Center for Financial Research.

Though earnings are scarce, focus returns to treasuries in coming days ahead of fresh government auctions. These include a three-year note auction Tuesday and a 10-year note auction next Wednesday. Recent auctions drew solid demand, which helped bring yields down from their late May highs. Recent soft data has yields even lower, but weak auction demand, a strong jobs report, or upbeat trade news all could get yields on the comeback trail.

Lower yields can suggest slowing economic growth, and higher ones can mean increased borrowing costs for consumers and companies. But on the whole, stocks often trade more vigorously when yields decline. So far this year, jumps above 4.5% for the 10-year yield generally caused selling on Wall Street. The 10-year yield inched up three basis points to 4.39% Thursday, not far above near-term lows.

Political and economic uncertainty could keep fixed income market volatility up. The higher trend in long-term yields has been a global phenomenon, said Kathy Jones, chief fixed income strategist at Schwab. The market is signaling that adding to government budget deficits accumulated during the last 20 years, when interest rates and inflation were low, will require higher yields to attract investors.

Speaking of inflation, next week features the closely monitored U.S. Monthly Consumer Price Index, or CPI, report. A New York Federal Reserve survey found that among businesses facing higher operational costs due to Trump's tariffs, 75 percent are passing on at least some of those costs to customers, Barron's reported.

Futures trading as of late Thursday put odds of a June rate cut at less than 3% and a July trim at 30%, according to the CME FedWatch tool. Odds are near 75% in September, but check the market again after today's jobs report for any sense of perceived Fed response. The market now prices in high odds of two rate cuts this year, but employment data could be the linchpin.

Technically, yesterday was a weekday on the charts for the S&P 500. It topped intraday at just below 6,000, a psychological level it hasn't been above since late February. Failing to climb the final rung, it then fell to close more than 0.5% lower for the session, the type of performance that often inspires more selling. However, with today's jobs report ahead, data might have more influence than charts.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average lost 108.00 points Thursday, or 0.25%, to 42,319.74. The S&P 500 Index dropped 31.51 points, or 0.53%,

to 5,939.30, and the Nasdaq Composite slipped to 162.04 points, or 0.83%, to 19,298.45. This has been the Schwab Market Update Podcast.

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