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Medical debt and your credit: It's changing and we have an update

2025/6/3
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Nancy Marshall-Genzer: 目前参议院共和党人正试图通过一项大型支出和税收法案,该法案旨在延长2017年的减税政策,并增加国防和边境安全方面的支出。然而,国会预算办公室估计,这项立法将使联邦赤字增加近4万亿美元,这引起了参议院财政鹰派的担忧,他们希望降低法案的成本。共和党希望在7月4日前将法案提交给特朗普总统签署。普遍存在对关税的不确定性,这将减缓全球经济增长。 Ron Johnson: 我认为应该恢复到疫情前的支出水平,以此来控制财政赤字的增长。 Rand Paul: 我主张取消该法案中提高联邦债务上限的条款,以此来避免国家债务进一步增加。 Josh Hawley: 我对可能削减医疗补助(Medicaid)表示反对,因为这将影响到数百万低收入美国人的医疗保障。在密苏里州,大约21%的居民受益于医疗补助或儿童健康保险计划(CHIP)。 Alvaro Pereira: 我认为关税的上升,特别是美国对钢铁和汽车征收的新进口关税,正在增加企业的成本,这是导致经济增长放缓的一个重要原因。 Leanna Byrne: 经合组织警告说,贸易壁垒正在推高通货膨胀,并扼杀商业投资。同时,全球公共债务已达到80年来的最高水平。各国必须削减开支,扩大税基,并增加对能源网、住房和数字技术的投资,否则将面临严重的经济放缓风险。

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Medical debt in your credit, it is changing, and we have an update.

Now that members of Congress are back from the holiday break, the focus is on Republicans in the Senate trying their hand at the big spending and taxing bill. Marketplace's Nancy Marshall-Genzer reports. The bill would extend the 2017 tax cuts, which are scheduled to expire at the end of this year. It would also boost spending on defense and border security. All that's expensive. The Congressional Budget Office estimates the legislation would increase the federal deficit by almost $4 trillion. But

That upsets Senate deficit hawks who want to lower the bill's price tag. Ron Johnson, a Wisconsin Republican, is calling for a return to pre-pandemic spending levels. Republican Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky wants to drop a provision in the bill that would raise the federal debt ceiling. Other GOP senators, like Josh Hawley of Missouri, object to potential cuts to Medicaid, which provides health care to low-income Americans. Hawley wrote an op-ed in the New York

Times. He said around 21 percent of Missouri residents benefit from Medicaid or CHIP, which insures low-income children. Democrats are not expected to support the legislation, which means Republicans can't afford many defections. The House would have to approve any Senate changes, which would take time. Republicans want the bill on President Trump's desk, ready for his signature by July 4th. I'm Nancy Marshall-Genzer for Marketplace.

U.S. import taxes and general uncertainty about tariffs will slow economic growth this year around the world. That's the calculation from the Club of Larger Industrialized Countries, the OECD, based in Europe. My Marketplace BBC colleague Leanna Byrne has more.

The global economy is losing steam, according to the OECD, which now expects growth to fall to just 2.9% this year and next. That's a downgrade from earlier forecasts. Chief Economist Alvaro Pereira told me, "...a big reason is rising tariffs, especially in the US, where new import duties on steel and cars are adding to costs."

The OECD warns these trade barriers are driving up inflation and choking off business investment. At the same time, global public debt is at an 80-year high. Pereira says countries must bring down spending, broaden tax bases and boost investment in energy grids, housing and digital tech or risk a deep economic slowdown. I'm the BBC's Leanna Byrne for Marketplace. Markets S&P futures are down 0.2%. Nasdaq futures are little changed.

Paying back money borrowed to pay for medical care is seen by many as different from paying what you owe for consumer goods. The debt is seldom from discretionary spending. Coming out of the Biden administration, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau had finalized a new system to keep medical debt from hurting your credit score.

But under new leadership now, the CFPB is pushing the other way. There's a nonprofit that works to pay off people's medical debt as a charitable endeavor. Alison Sesso is president and CEO of what's called Undue Medical Debt. Welcome. Thank you. I'm so happy to be here. What had been the newish rule that had come in during the Biden administration? Give me just a sense of it.

So medical debt would no longer be on people's credit reports and allow them to not be burdened by having something that happened to them, like getting sick, undermine their ability to access credit. It is clear that credit does not indicate whether somebody or not will pay back a loan. And so this would help at least 15 million people. But just so we understand, I mean, when people hear someone has debt, the general impulse is to say, well, you got to pay your debts.

Many view medical debt as a different animal, a different category. It's very clear that people on the left and the right agree on this point, too, which I think is important to point out. People are no longer buying the moral hazard argument. They very much feel that the system is working against them. The number one predictor of whether or not you end up in medical debt is whether or not you get sick. That is nothing to do with whether or not you're willing to pay or able to pay a loan back.

All right. So the rule to remove almost $50 billion of medical debt from records gets finalized right at the beginning of the year. But a new administration comes to power, no friend of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, and there's not much of the CFPB now left.

What's happening? Trump administration is leaning into unwinding this medical debt thing. Yeah, they've really backed out of doing any enforcement on this. And unfortunately, they've actually sided with the debt collectors in the court system. And so we don't see this rule actually being implemented. And unfortunately, this is at a time when we're also seeing proposals in the big

beautiful bill that's been proposed of cutting Medicaid by $715 billion, which is only going to lead to more medical debt. So the impact, unfortunately, on people's credits is going to likely worsen in the future. All right. And at a time that the federal government seems to be moving away from what had been one approach to dealing with this, you

You do have some states that are dealing with this. I think there's about 11 states right now that have actually put laws in place, including places that are a little bit more conservative, like Virginia. There actually are places and state actions that are happening. Even places like Florida have put limits on medical deaths and what can be put on credit reports. Does the massive...

taxing and spending plan working its way through Congress address this at all? It does not. It's only going to make medical debt worse, and it's going to make the cost of getting insurance worse because there's a lot of people that are going to be removed from having

access to health insurance because of the Medicaid cuts. We know that places that didn't expand Medicaid under the ACA have higher rates of medical debt. And that's exactly what we're going to see here. And we recently made a huge purchase of medical debt, $30 billion. And we saw that most of that debt was in places that had not expanded the ACA through Medicaid. Allison Sesso is CEO of a nonprofit called Undue Medical Debt. Thank you so much. Thank you for having me.

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