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Beyond gene-edited babies: the possible paths for tinkering with human evolution

2024/12/4
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珍妮弗·杜德娜认为CRISPR技术能够改变人类的基本分子结构,这既带来了巨大的可能性,也带来了伦理和安全方面的风险。她尤其担心CRISPR技术被用于创造基因编辑婴儿,从而改变人类进化进程。 何建奎则对基因编辑技术持积极态度,他认为这项技术可以用于改善人类健康,例如通过基因编辑让人类对HIV免疫。然而,他的实验引发了巨大的争议,并被判刑。他的行为也导致中国禁止对人类胚胎进行基因编辑,并使许多研究人员的研究工作停止。 乔治·丘奇认为,利用有益基因进行广泛的基因改进是不可避免的趋势,未来基因编辑技术将会广泛应用于成人和胚胎。但他同时也警告说,人类能否以正确的方式使用这项技术仍存在疑问,商业利益可能会扭曲技术的发展方向。 埃弗拉特·莱维尔认为,基因增强将利用人群中已经存在的、具有增强能力的基因变异。 卡里·斯特凡松既赞成也反对利用具有显著影响的罕见变异来改变基因组,因为他认为其风险难以评估。 帕拉玛塔认为何建奎的行为导致了基因编辑研究的停滞。 克里斯托弗·宗认为新型基因编辑技术可以用于使细胞抵抗辐射损伤,这可能对宇航员有用。 埃尔诺夫认为,随着基因编辑技术的发展,医生将能够为任何严重的遗传疾病设计基因编辑疗法。 其他专家和学者们也表达了各自的观点,对基因编辑技术的应用前景、伦理风险以及社会影响进行了深入探讨。

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The episode explores the revolutionary potential and ethical concerns surrounding CRISPR technology, focusing on its implications for human evolution and the controversial case of the first CRISPR babies.
  • CRISPR technology allows for the easy alteration of genes, raising both possibilities and dangers.
  • Jennifer Doudna, one of the inventors of CRISPR, expressed concerns about the first CRISPR baby.
  • He Jiankui, a Chinese bio-physicist, created the first gene-edited babies, sparking global controversy and ethical debates.

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My name is on twenty, your regular to, and i'm a biotech reporter here at M. I. T. Technology review. The story is about to listen to is about human evolution, designer babies. And the very real possibility that in coming decades, gene edited people will be born who are immune to alzheimer disease, heart disease and other conditions of old age. Thanks for listening narrow by noah.

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In twenty sixteen, I attended a large meeting of journalists in washington, D. C. The keynote speaker was Jennifer douda, who just a few years before, had to invented crisper, a revolutionary method of changing genes that was sweeping across biology labs because IT was so easy to use with its discovery, doubter explained, humanity had achieved the ability to change its own fundamental molecular nature, and that capability came with both possibility and danger.

One of her biggest fears, he said, was waking up one morning and reading about the first crisper baby, a child with deliberately altered genes baked in from the start. As a journalist specializing in genetic engineering. The weird are the Better.

I had a different fear. A crisper baby would be a story of the century, and I worried some other journalist would get the scoop. Gene editing has become the biggest subject on the biotech beat.

And once a team in china had altered the DNA of a monkey to introduce customized mutations, IT seemed obvious that further envelope pushing wasn't far off. If anyone did create an edited baby, IT would raise moral and ethical issues among the profoundest of which douda had told me was that doing so would be changing human evolution. Any gene alterations made to an embryo that successfully developed into a baby would get passed on to any children of its own via what's known as the germ line.

What kind of scientists would be bold enough to try that? Two years and nearly eight thousand miles in an airplane seat? Later, I found the answer at a hotel in guangzhou, china. I joined the documentary film crew for a meeting with a bio physicist named her jane qui, who appeared with a retenue of advisers. During the meeting, he was immensely gregerson ous and spoke excitedly about his research on embryos of mice, monkeys and humans, and about his eventual plans to improve human health by adding beneficial genes to people's bodies from birth, still imagining that such a step might lie at least some way off, I asked if the technology was truly ready for such an undertaking. Ready, hart said.

Then after a laden pause, almost ready, four weeks later, I learned that he'd already done IT when I found data that he had placed online describing the genetic profiles of two gene edited human fetuses that is crisper babies in gestation, as well as an explanation of his plan, which was to create humans immune to h. HIV. Her had targeted a gene called ccr five, which in some people has a variation known to protect against HIV.

Infection is rare for numbers in a spread ed sheet to make the hair on your arms stand up, although maybe some climate ologies feel the same way. Seeing the latest arctic temperatures, IT appeared that something historic and frightening had already happened in our story. Breaking the news that same day, I ventured that the birth of genetically tailored humans would be something between a medical breakthrough and the start of a slippery slope of human enhancement for his actions.

He was later sentenced to three years in prison, and his scientific practices were roundly exploration ated the edits he made on what proved to be twin girls and a third baby revealed later had, in fact, been carelessly imposed, almost in an out of control fashion, according to his own data. And I was among a flock of critics in the media and academia who would subject her and his circle of advisers to promethean level torment the a daily stream of articles and exposes just this spring field, or of a gene editing specialist at the university of california, berkeley, lashed out on x, calling her a scientific pyromaniac and comparing him to a baroque. A demand from J.

R. R. Tolkien, the lord of the rings IT, could seem as if his crime wasn't just medical wrongdoing, but daring to take the wheel of the very processes that brought you, me and him into being futurists who write about the destiny of humankind have imagined all sorts of changes.

We will all be given auxiliary chromosomes loaded with genetic goodies. Or maybe we'll march through life as a member of a part of identical clones. Perhaps sex will become outdated as we reproduce exclusively through our stem cells.

Or human colonists on another planet will be isolated so long that they become their own species. The thing about hers idea, though, is that he drew IT from scientific realities close at hand. Just as some gene mutations cause awful rare diseases, others are being discovered that lend a few people the ability to resist common ones like diabetes, heart disease, alzheimer and HIV.

Such beneficial superpower like traits might spread to the rest of humanity given enough time. But why wait one hundred thousand years for natural selection to do its job for a few hundred dollars in chemicals? You could try to install these changes in an embro in ten minutes.

That is, in theory, the easiest way to go about making such changes. It's just one cell to start with. Editing human embryos is restricted in much of the world, and making an edited baby is flatly illegal in most countries surveyed by legal scholars.

But advancing technology could render the embro issue mood. New ways of adding crisper to the bodies of people already born children and adults could let them easily receive changes as well. Indeed, if you are curious what the human genome could look like in one hundred and twenty five years, it's possible that many people will be the beneficiaries of multiple rare but useful gene mutations currently found in only small segments of the population.

These could protect us against common diseases and infections, but eventually they could also yield ld Frank improvements in other traits, such as heights, metabolize or even cognition. These changes would not be passed on genetically to people's offspring, but if they were widely distributed, they too would become a form of human directed self evolution, easily as big a deal as the emergence of computer intelligence or the engineering of the physical world around us. I was surprised to learn that even as hers critics take issue with his methods, they see the basic strategies as inevitable.

When I asked her, nov, who helped coin the term genome editing in two thousand and five, what the human genome could be like and, say, a century, he readily agreed that improvements using superpower genes will probably be widely introduced into adults and embryos as the technology to do so improves. But he warned that he doesn't necessarily trust humanity to do things the right way. Some groups will probably obtain the health benefits before others, and commercial interests could eventually take the trend in and help directions.

Much as algorithms keep his students noses masted unnaturally to the screens of their mobile phones. I would say my enthusiasm for what the human genome is going to be in one hundred years is tempered by our history of a lack of moderation and wisdom. He said, you don't need to be eldest hooky sley to start writing the topia at around ten pm beijing time, his face flicked into view over the ten cent video conferencing.

APP IT was made twenty twenty four, nearly six years after I had first interviewed him, and he appeared in a laughed like space with a soaring ceiling and a wide screen T, V on a wall. Or love had warned me not to speak with her, since IT would be like asking burning madoff to open about ethical investing. But I wanted to speak to him because he's still one of the few scientists willing to promote the idea of broad improvements to humanities genes.

Of course, it's his fault to everyone is so down on the idea. After his experiment, china formally made implantation of gene edited human embryos into the uterus. Is a crime. Funding sources evaporated.

He created this blow back, and IT brought to a halt many people's research, and there were not many to begin with, says polar amata, a fertility doctor at oregon health and science university, who colleagues, one of only two U. S. Teams that have ever reported editing human embryos in a lab.

And the publicity nobody wants to be associated with, something that is considered scandalous. eugenic. After leaving prison in twenty twenty two, the chinese, by officials, surprised nearly everyone by seeking to make a scientific comeback. At first he floated ideas for DNA based data storage and affordable cures for children who have muscular destroy.

He, but then in summer twenty twenty three, he posted to social media that he intended to return to research on how to change embrace with gene editing, with the caveat that no human embro will be implanted for pregNancy. His new interest was a gene called A P, P, or am alloyd precursor protein is known that people who possess a very rare version or a lel of this gene almost never develop alzheimer disease. In our video call, he said the APP gene is the main focus of his research now and that he is determining how to change IT.

The work, he says, is not being conducted on human embryos, but rather on mice and on kidney cells, using an updated form of crisp r called base editing, which can flip individual letters of DNA without breaking the molecule. We just want to expand the protective ale from small amounts of lucky people to maybe most people, he told me. And if you made the adjustment at the moment and eggs fertilized, you would only have to change one cell in order for the change to take hold in the embryo, and eventually everywhere in a person's brain.

Trying to edit an individuals brain after birth is as hard as delivering a person to the moon, he said. But if you deliver gene editing to an embro, it's as easy as driving home in the future, he said. Human embryos will obviously be corrected for all severe genetic diseases, but they will also receive a panel of perhaps twenty or thirty edits to improve health.

If you've seen the signified film, gategroup takes place in a world where such touch ups are routine, leading to stigmatization of the movies, hero would be space pilot who lacks them. One of these would be to install the A P, P variant, which involves changing a single letter of DNA. Others would protect against diabetes and maybe concern heart disease.

He called these proposed edits genetic vaccines and believes people in the future won't have to worry about many of the things most likely to kill them today. Is her the person who will bring about this future in twenty twenty three in what seemed to be a step toward to his. He got a job heading a gene center at wool chang university of technology, a third tier institution in 武汉。 But her said during our coal that he had already left the position.

He didn't say what had caused the splits, but mentioned that a flurry of press coverage had made people fail. Pressured one item in a french financial paper. These echoes was time LED gmo babies, the secrets of a chinese Frankenstein.

Now he Carries out research at his own private lab, he says, with funding from chinese and american supporters, he has early plans for a startup company. Could he tell me names and locations? Of course not.

He said, with a chickle IT could be. There is no lab, just a concept. But it's a concept that is hard to dismiss.

Would you give your child a gene? Tweak a swap of a single genetic letter among the three billion that run the length of the genome to prevent alzheimer the mind th ef. That's the seventh leading cause of death in the us.

Polls find that the american public is about evenly split on the ethics of adding disease resistance traits to embryo S. A sizable minority, though, would go further. A twenty twenty three survey published in science found that nearly thirty percent of people would edit embryo s if IT enhances the resulting child's chance of attending a top ranked college.

The benefits of the genetic variant her claims to be working with were discovered by the iceland tic gene hunting company, decode genetics, twenty six years ago. In one thousand nine and ninety eight, its founder, a doctor named Carrie stefan son, got the Green likes to obtain medical records and DNA from ice citizens, allowing decodes to a mass, one of the first large national gene database. Several similar large bio banks now Operate, including one in the united kingdom, which recently finished sequencing the genome of five hundred thousand volunteers.

These bail banks make IT possible to do computerised searches to find relationships between people's genetic makeup and real life differences, like how long they live, what diseases they get and even how much beer they drink. The result is a statistical index of how strongly every possible difference in human DNA affects every trait that can be measured. In twenty twelve, decodes geneticists used the technique to study a tiny change in the A P P gene and determined that the individuals who had IT rarely developed alzheimer otherwise seemed healthy.

In fact, they seemed particularly sharp in old age and appeared to live longer to lab tests confirmed that the change reduces the production of brain, places the abNormal clumps of protein that are a hallmark of the disease. One way evolution works is when a small change or error appears in one baby's DNA. If the change helps that person survive and reproduce, IT will tend to become more common in the species eventually, over many generations, even universal.

This process is slow, but it's visible to science. In twenty eighteen, for example, researchers determined that the baggio, a group indigenous to indonesia whose members collect food by diving, posa genetic changes associated with bigger spans. This allows them to store more oxygenated red blood cells and advantage in their lives.

Even though the variation in the APP gene seems hugely beneficial. It's a change that benefits old people way past their reproductive years. So it's not the kind of advantage natural selection can readily act on, but we could act on IT. That is what technology assisted evolution would look like, seizing on a variation we think is useful and spreading IT. The way probably that enhancement will be done will be to look at the population, look at people who have enhanced capabilities, whatever those might be, the israeli medical geneticist efrat level had said during a gene editing summer in twenty twenty three, you are going to be using variations that already exists in the population that you already have information on. One advantage of zero ing in on advantageous DNA changes that already exists in the population is that their effects are protested, the people located by decode, where in their eighties and nineties there didn't seem to be anything different about them, except they are unusually clear minds.

Their lives, as seen from the computer screens of decodes biobank, serve as a kind of long term natural experiment, yet scientists could not be fully confident placing this variant into an embro, since the benefits or downsides might differ depending on what other genetic factors are already present, especially other alzheimer risk genes, and IT would be difficult to run a study to see what happens. In the case of APP, IT would take seventy years for the final evidence to emerge. By that time, the scientists involved would all be dead.

When I spoke with stefan son in twenty twenty three, he made the case both for and against altering genomes with rare variants of large effect like the change in APP. All of us would like to keep our marbles until we die. There is no question about IT.

And if you could, by pushing a button, installed the kind of protection people with this mutation have, that would be desirable, he said. But even if the technology to make this edit before birth exists, he says, the risks of doing so seem almost impossible to gauge. You are not just affecting the person, but all their descendants forever.

These are mutations that would allow for further selection and further revolution. So this is beginning to be about the essence of who we are as a species. Some genetic engineers believe that editing embrace, though in theory easy to do, will always be held back by these grave uncertainties.

Instead, they say DNA editing in living adults could become easy enough to be used, not only to correct rare diseases, but to add enhanced capabilities to those who seek them. If that happens, editing for improvement could spread just as quickly as any consumer technology or medical fd. I don't think it's going to be germ line, says George church, a harvard geneticist, often sought out for his prognostication.

The eight billion of us who are alive kind of constitute the marketplace. For several years, church has been circulating what he calls my famous or infamous table of enhancements. It's a tally of gene variants that lend people superpowers, including APP, and another that leads to extra hard bones, which was found in a family that complained of not being able to stay a float in swimming pools.

The table is informal because some believe churches inclusion of the h HIV protective ccr five variant inspired huz effort to edit IT into the crisper babies church believes novel gene treatments for very serious diseases, once proven, will start leading the way toward enhancements and improvements to people already born. You'd constantly be tweaking and getting feedback. He says something that's hard to do with the germ line.

Since humans take so long to grow up, changes to adult bodies would not be passed down, but church thinks they could easily count as a form of heredity. He notes that railroads, eye glasses, cellphones and the knowledge of how to make and use all these technologies are already all transmitted. Ted, between generations.

We're clearly inherited even things that in organic, he says the biotechnology industry is already finding ways to emulate the effects of rare beneficial variance. A new category of heart drugs, for instance, mimics the effect of a rare variation in a gene called P C S K nine that helps maintain cholesterol levels. The variation initially discovered in a few people in the us, cents ziba bi, blocks the genes activity and gives them ultra low cholesterol levels for life.

The drugs taken every few weeks or months work by blocking the P C S K nine protein. One biotech company, though, has started trying to edit the DNA of people's liver cells, the sight of classroom metabolism to introduce the same effect permanently. For now, gene editing of adult bodies is still chAllenging and is held back by the difficulty of delivering the crisp er instructions to thousands or even billions of cells, often using viruses to Carry the payloads.

Organs like the brain and muscles are hard to access and the treatments can be ordeals, fatalities and studies aren't unheard of. But biotech companies are pouring dollars into new sleep er ways to deliver crisper, too hard to reach places. Some are designing special viruses that can home in on specific types of cells.

Others are adopting nano particles similar to those used in the COVID nineteen vaccines, with the idea of introducing editors easily and cheaply. There a shot in the ARM at the innovative genomics s institute, a centre established by doubt a in berkeley, california. Researchers anticipate that as delivery improves, they will be able to create a kind of crisper can variability that with a few clicks of a mouse, allows doctors to design gene editing treatments for any serious inherited condition that afflicts children, including a deficiencies so uncommon that no company will take them on.

This is the trend in my field. We can capitalize on human genetics quite quickly under the scope of the editable. Human will rapidly expand, says earn ov, who works at the institute.

We know that already today. And forget twenty one twenty four, this is in twenty twenty four. We can build enough crisper for the entire planet.

I really, really think that this idea of gene editing in a syringe will grow. And as IT does, we're going to start to face very clearly the question of how we equitably distribute these resources. For now, gene editing interventions are so complex and costly that only people in wealthy countries are receiving them.

The first such therapy to get fda approval, a treatment for sickle cell disease, is Price at over two million dollars and requires a lengthy hospital stay because it's so difficult to administer, it's not yet being offered in most of africa, even though that is where sickle cell disease is most common. Such disparities are now propelling efforts to greatly simplify gene editing, including a project jointly paid forward by the gate's foundation and the national institutes of health that aims to design shot in the ARM crisper, potentially making cures scalable and accessible to all. A gene editor built along the lines of the covered nineteen vaccine might cost only one thousand dollars.

The gate's foundation seize the technology as a way to widely cure both sickle cell and H I V, an unmet need in africa, IT says. To do that, the foundation is considering introducing into people's bone marrow the exact H I V, defeating genetic change that hit tried to install in. Scientists can foresee great benefits ahead, even a final frontier of molecular liberty.

As Christopher zon, a space geneticist at wild cornell medicine in new york, characterizes, IT Mason works with newer types of gene editors that can turn genes on or off temporarily. He is using these in his lab to make cells resistant to radiation damage. The technology could be helpful to astronauts, or he says, for a weekend of recreational genomics, say, boosting your repair genes in preparation to visit the site of the chernobyl power plant.

The technique is getting to be, I actually think this is a ephori application of genetic technologies, says Mason. We can say, hey, find a spot on the genome and flip a light switch on or off on any given gene to control its expression at a wim. Easy delivery of gene editors to adult bodies could give rise to policy questions just as urgent as the ones raised by the crisper babies.

Whether we encourage genetic enhancement, in particular free market genome upgrades, is one of them. Several online health influencers have already been touting a unsanctioned gene therapy offered in honduras that its creators claim increases muscle mass. Another risk if changing people's DNA, it's easy enough.

Gene, terrorists or governments could do IT without their permission or knowledge. One genetic treatment for a skin disease approved in the U. S. In twenty twenty three is formulated as a cream.

The first rub on gene therapy, though not a gene editor, some scientists believe new delivery tools should be kept purposely ly complex and cumbersome. M, so that only experts can use them a biological version of security through obscurity. But that's not likely to happen.

Building a gene editor to make these changes is no longer, you know, the kind of technology that's in the realm of one hundred people who can do IT. This is out there, says or no. And as delivery improves, I don't know how we will be able to regulate that in our conversation or nav frequently returned to that list of superpowers, genetic variants that make some people outliers in one way or another.

There is a mutation that allows people to get by on five hours of sleep a night with no ill effects. There is a woman in scotland whose genetic peculiarity means SHE, feels no pain and is perpetual happy, though also forgetful. Then there is arrow montana, the cross country ski champion who won three medals at the one thousand nine hundred and sixty four winter olympics and who turned out to have an inordinate number of red blood cells, thanks to an alteration in a gene called the E P O receptor.

It's basically a blueprint for anyone seeking to join the enhanced games, the libertarian plan for a product doping international sports competition that critics call borderline criminal, but which has the backing of billionaire Peter till, among others. All these are possibilities for the future of the human genome, and we won't even necessarily need to change embryo s to get there. Some researchers even expect that with some yet to be conceived technology, updating a person's DNA could become a simple as sending a document to via wifi, with today's viruses or nanoparticles becoming an acronyms like floppy desks.

I asked church for his prediction about where gene editing technology is going in the long term. Eventually, you'd get shot up with a whole bunch of things when you're born. Or IT could even be introduced during pregNancy, he said.

You'd have all the advantages without the disadvantages of being stuck with heritable changes. And that will be evolution to you are listening to M I T. Technology review where antonio regalado rights beyond gene edited babies the possible paths for tinkering with human evolution. This article was published on the twenty second of August twenty twenty four and was read by Peter handy for noa.