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Why Should We Care How Southeast Asia Responds to Trump’s Tariffs?

2025/4/11
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John Goyer: 我认为关税是税收,最终由美国消费者和生产商承担,而非外国伙伴。关税会提高物价,导致经济增长放缓,并对长期经济前景造成负面影响。美国政府实施关税的理由有很多,包括促进国内生产、增加收入、促进贸易谈判、解决市场准入壁垒、纠正贸易逆差以及对美国提供的全球公共物品进行补偿等。这些理由的不一致性使得贸易伙伴难以有效回应。市场(股市和债市)的剧烈反应以及越来越多的经济衰退预测,是导致政府暂停关税政策的重要因素。对华关税可能导致与中国的贸易终结,而东南亚国家最大的贸易伙伴和出口目的地是中国,这将对这些国家的经济关系和经济产生重大影响。先前对华关税导致投资和采购活动从中国转移到东南亚等国家,尤其是在越南。高额关税将抑制贸易,导致制造业继续从中国转移到其他国家。东南亚国家面临来自美国和中国的双重压力,一方面要应对来自美国的关税,另一方面要应对来自中国的商品倾销。尽管国会拥有制定关税和税收的宪法权力,但多年来贸易政策权力已下放给行政部门,这引发了关于行政部门行动的法律基础的质疑。高额关税对许多国家来说是生存问题,迫使他们进行谈判以降低关税。由于东盟各国经济利益和与美国的贸易水平不同,因此难以形成统一的应对措施。各国正在加速将出口市场多元化,这将导致美国被边缘化,成为这些国家的高成本出口国。东盟国家已经参与了大量的贸易协定,这将加速其出口市场多元化的趋势。美国对东盟的直接投资超过对中国、日本、韩国和印度的总和,这表明东盟对美国公司具有吸引力。美国公司投资东盟的主要原因是面向当地市场销售和面向第三国销售。东盟国家的贸易协定有利于在该地区投资的美国公司,因为它可以增加他们的销售额。为了降低美国关税,东盟国家可以采取的措施包括:降低关税、增加美国商品的购买量以及解决非关税壁垒。东盟国家对美国商品的平均加权关税很低,因此降低关税对他们来说相对容易。东盟国家可以通过增加美国商品的购买量来换取降低美国关税。解决非关税壁垒是许多美国公司关注的问题,也是东盟国家可以提供的让步。在90天内与众多国家达成协议存在挑战,因为需要确定优先谈判的国家。各国可以在90天内承诺解决某些非关税壁垒,但实际实施需要更长时间。在关税政策下,一些国家可能会因为中国经济的衰退而获得机会,但投资和产业转移需要时间和资源。贸易自由化主要使采取自由化措施的国家受益。10%的关税可能会成为贸易格局的永久特征,这将导致物价上涨,并对贸易产生抑制作用。美国制造业基础的削弱使其在军事和经济方面更加脆弱,但关税并非解决这一问题的有效方法。美国制造业产出处于历史高位,就业率也较低,这得益于技术进步和生产率提高。产业回流将高度自动化,不会带来大量的就业机会。对药品征收额外关税将增加医疗成本,对消费者和患者造成不利影响。美国商会对关税的宣布感到震惊,因为其规模超出了预期。关税计算公式的简单性出乎意料,导致对一些贸易量较小的国家征收高额关税。 Ray Powell: Jim Caruso:

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In our second post-“Liberation Day” episode we are joined by John Goyer), Executive Director for Southeast Asia for the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, to discuss the impact of America’s now-suspended tariff increases on Southeast Asian countries and on the U.S.

John observes that American consumers are likely to experience significant price increases if these tariffs go into effect, since the reason U.S. businesses import from Southeast Asia is because it can get goods less expensively than if they are made in the United States. Meanwhile, both stock and bond markets have reacted very dramatically to each new announcement, and some economists are warning that the U.S. could tip into a recession if they go into full effect.

Southeast Asian countries are already navigating a complicated relationship with China, whose economy has been relying on exports. Beijing’s fraught trade relationship with the U.S. has left it with huge surpluses of goods, many of which have been dumped into neighboring countries. China has also been using Southeast Asia as a place to trans-ship goods to avoid U.S. tariffs.

Vietnam, whose tariffs were announced at the rate of 46 percent, actually has fairly low tariffs on U.S. goods, so will need to find other ways to satisfy the Trump Administration. This may include reducing restrictive policies and regulations or purchasing more U.S. goods.

While some Association of Southeast Asian Nations countries have suggested a unified response, ASEAN has not been effective in moving quickly as a bloc. As a result, each country is likely to seek its own deal.

On the question of who the winners might be in a trade war, John observes that it’s not easy to move manufacturing. These are complex, expensive decisions, and companies will be deliberate and measured in their responses.

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