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Hello, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Anime Watch Club, a bi-weekly group discussion and reviewer, the host of the What You Say Anime podcast. Nominate and vote on shows that we haven't seen or shows that hopefully lead to a great discussion. On today's episode, we are really banking on the great discussion part. As a part of our April Fool's celebration, we will be discussing the 2009 shoujo anime, New Moon. We got a ton of new people outside of the normal gang. And joining us today is our special guests, Ashley, Simone, and
and burly thank you for joining they will hopefully all be on my side defending this peak movie but until we get into our discussion pat take it away
Yeah, well, so as Pete mentioned, April Fool's, we're doing Twilight Saga, New Moon, as we've already done the the first Twilight movie, which I wasn't here for. But I think we'll be OK because I actually sat down and maybe watch both of them. Don't worry. So I'm fully caught up. Genres are I don't know.
Teenage love. Oh, there they are. Supernatural fantasy, teen adventure, teen drama, teen fantasy, teen romance, adventure, drama, fantasy, and romance. So a couple of double ups there. But, you know, this is a movie from, as Pete said, 2009, right? Done by studio. What was it? Summit Entertainment, I guess, technically. Yeah.
We'll go with that, right? Because that's essentially the same thing. Sweet, yeah. Directed by Chris Weitz. Written by...
Stephanie Meyer. One of the Twilight fans. Thank you, Stephanie Meyer. Oh, yeah. Based on the word manga by Stephanie Meyer. The word manga, there we go. But yeah, as usual, we'll do our opening thoughts. And why don't we go by camera panel just to make things a little easier. Kat and Burley, why don't you guys start us off? What were your opening thoughts on, or maybe some of your connections to the Twilight franchise, first impressions, et cetera? Mine was, I was nine years
at the time. So I wasn't a teen yet. I remember reading the books, seeing like the Burger King had like the toys for them, like Teen Jacob, Tina. It was like, it took, it wouldn't, I wouldn't say it took over my life, but it was a big impact in my late childhood.
I didn't like the idea of it. Also, my mom was a big AO3 fan, or she still is. So when she heard about Twilight, she basically said, yeah, that movie's trash, or the book is trash, and the movie's probably even more so. And then I just stayed away from it, and then I got married.
So, yeah. And here you are reviewing Twilight, a new moon for podcasts. There we go. There we go. All right. Miles, what about you?
Yeah, my biggest connection to Twilight was learning things about it. So I had something to talk to Caitlin Sayers about in high school. That was like a big, big strat for me there. Shout out to my friend Mike Harris, who actually read all the books. I didn't have that level of dedication. I remember being Team Jacob in high school because like now, I was also a contrarian and people were mostly Team Edward at the time.
And, you know, I like being like a little provocative about things I have no idea about, like Team Jacob. I saw the movies, I think, as they came out with my high school girlfriend. And I don't know if I really thought anything of them at the time, other than whatever. But like, I don't know. Now it was interesting rewatching them or rewatching the second movie in particular. It's like a 33 year old dad. I don't know. There was a lot of.
You know, someone like Bella would have been like kind of neat when I was like younger, like brooding and everything. And this time I just sort of like felt bad for her because she's like so many friends, but she's just like stuck on this one guy. And I was like, Bella, come on, come on, girl. But those are my thoughts. That's what I got so far. There we go. And yeah, and the discussion will bring even more out, I'm sure. Pete, what about you?
New Moon holds a very, very special place in my heart because similar to Miles, my New Moon story begins in high school where I was like, hey, you know what's a great way to date Andrea Brown is if I read New Moon and talk Twilight with her.
guess what it worked yeah we dated for seven years or something like that it was awesome yeah um so new moon uh was the jumping point of me kick-starting my high school relationship uh i also worked at a movie theater while i was in high school so i saw this movie i think no less than 30 times um saw twilight probably close to like 50 yeah
yeah seen the seen these movies a lot so new moons holds a special place in my heart i think this movie is great i think it does exactly what it's trying to be like a very melodramatic terrible team romantic supernatural story it just it has the writings of just like a very terrible terrible shoujo manga like straight up like the falling in love with a werewolf or a vampire like we're getting vampire night all over again or something like that it's
It was just a lot of fun, man. I know this movie was like two hours and like 10 minutes long. Felt like 30 minutes. I had absolute blast watching this. New Moon, fantastic. Two thumbs up. Five stars on Letterboxd. And if it was on Mal, I'd give it a 10. There we go. All right, Jay, what about you?
yeah uh echoing the same thing as the other two before me started reading the twilight books well first of all i was always kind of into like vampires and shit because like i was like a closeted child and i mean you don't have to be gay to like vampires but you usually are let's be honest uh or queer i should say i suppose um
but started doing that to talk to a girl. It worked not quite as successfully as Pete, but I was also in middle school at the time rather than high school. So those things, you know, they're not really meant to work out like that most of the time, but new as for new moon in particular, I remember liking new moon as a book. I don't know if I actually ever saw this movie until me and Simone got together. Yeah.
This movie sucks. I'm sorry, P. This movie sucks. This is one of those movies that you watch every few years to try and convince yourself, nah, it's not that bad. And then by the end of the year, you're like, oh, shit. It's that bad. God damn it. Like, nothing happens in this movie. Literally nothing of consequence happens in this movie at all.
This is a movie that the entire plot of it could have been solved via text message or Facebook messenger. Like the entire thing could have been avoided. I think that this is a very serious case of a sophomore slump.
honestly in terms of just like like as a movie it's not bad like i think that like it's it holds up pretty well compared to the original movie but just in terms of story i don't think it holds up compared to the original which i mean wasn't like shakespeare or anything but it was entertaining enough a lot of shakespeare references in it yeah i mean this one starts off on a shakespeare reference literally the first line is what yeah true
So I don't know. Yeah. I don't really have much else to say about this movie. The soundtrack for this one wasn't nearly as good either. They had less bangers. Real lack of paramour. Yeah. Fair enough. All right. Simone, how about you? So I'm what you would categorize as a Twihard back in the day. Also Team Jacob. That being said, this is one of my least favorite Twilight movies. Yeah.
I think it's one of the least, well, what Jay said, it's like one of the least, like nothing really happens of consequence. It's definitely like a filler. This is from one to three. This is just in the middle trying to get you there kind of thing. But I love it. I love garbage. I love romance. I love, I love the cheese. So it's, it's still up there for me. Absolutely adore it. There you go. All right. And Ashley, what about you? I'm kind of echoing everybody else. Like,
This movie and the books were really big when I was in fifth and sixth grade. So I was probably like 11 years old. Definitely reading them way too young, watching them way too young. So as a result, it's very nostalgic for me. I just really enjoy like trashy fun stuff. Like if you're going into it looking for groundbreaking cinema, you're going to be disappointed. If you just want a good time, you're going to have a really good time.
Yeah. And similar to me, I yeah, it was 11 when this came out. So you were probably like nine ish or so. At least the movie came out, I should say. I do remember my Twilight experience is not going anywhere near it because I was more interested in sports than girls at that time. So I guess I didn't grind hard enough. Yeah, I know. Boomy, boomy. Yeah.
Yeah, I was reading like, what was I reading in that time? Probably Captain Underpants. The Art of War. I did. Animorphs. Animorphs is a red...
That was earlier. Art of the Deal was second grade. But no. The bell curve. What's the book that Rick Riordan wrote? Percy Jackson. Thank you. Oh, yeah. Oh, that makes so much sense for you. Warrior Mindset. The Bulletproof Mindset of a Fearless Person by Andy Faye. Yeah. Was that out back then? Was that out in 2009? Yeah. Atlas Shrugged.
But yeah, I was as yeah, me reading Percy Jackson over this is probably the least surprising thing in the world, if you know me. So I did enjoy those books. But and then this movie, I didn't we didn't have to pause it. The first movie we watched like a week ago, and I we had to like pause it halfway through. I couldn't take it. I actually enjoyed this one. Like, I think a couple of the said so far, but
it's really dumb and poor like like they said consequences don't really happen in this movie but i was at least entertained and uh maybe part of that was enjoying ashley quoting lines before they happened such as uh uh what are you doing here where you been loco that's what it was yeah that one she literally said it she said it like mumbled it and i was like
What? And then it says it on the TV right after. I'm like, oh my God, is this what's going to happen all movie? And then, yeah, that is what happened all movie. But it was at least funny. I don't know what team I'm on. I kind of feel like I'm somewhere in the middle. Like my initial instinct says Team Edward because he was there first and like there's the connection already, whatever. But at the same time, the more I think about it,
Jacob's just trying to save Bella from being cursed and damned eternally, right? So that's kind of more romantic than –
uh, well, although Edward's trying to do the same by not being romantic with her. And that's the whole point of the movie too. So I don't know. I think that there's a, you know, I think I can see both sides in the, in this debate, uh, in the civil war, but I do remember it was big, like, like what you guys, a couple of people have said already too, when, when I was in middle school, that was what everyone was talking about team Edward, team Jacob. And then it only kept getting more and more as the series goes on too. Right. Like, uh,
I got that was that was a fun time. I do remember everyone just nerding out about it, carrying their books with them to class and trying to read it, stay caught up, whatever. So yeah, I guess I didn't really ask if people would recommend this or not. I think it seems like all of us would recommend this with absolutely without a doubt. Totally. Yes. Yeah, no, exactly. But yeah, we got to get our gladiator thumb thumbs down. I enjoyed it at least.
But yeah, let's let's move on to some plot points. Let's get some gets down in the dirt about this wonderful moving story. Miles, you have talking points for this one. Are we prepared? Oh, yeah. Do we want to do a plot summary? I forgot that I normally do those. I'm taking this episode as seriously as any other episode and definitely didn't.
forget what I normally do. Okay, so New Moon follows the, I guess, the events of Twilight, so check out our multi-year-old video where we review that. When did we do that? I mean, it had to have been three years ago or something, if not more. Was that pre-Jay Factor, Jay? Which one, sorry? The Twilight video? Mmm.
No, I don't think so. I think I was there for that. Okay. I can't. I can't remember. I can't remember anything past this morning. I'm looking it up now. Okay. You know what? His name, Pat.
So we follow Bella Swan again and her her boyfriend, Edward Cullen. He's a vampire. He he's like 100 or something. He almost died from the Spanish flu. To put that in perspective, I have a great grandfather who died from the flu. I was here for that. OK, awesome. But then Edward leaves Bella because he he can't.
They can't be together because of his nature as a vampire. And so his whole family packs up and leaves. And then Jacob Black, Bella's childhood friend and werewolf, swoops in to try to make a move. So a large part of this movie focuses on a developing relationship between Jacob and Bella. But then at the end, through what can only be described as top tier romance,
communication between all parties involved. Edward thinks Bella has died and he goes to like Rome or something to, to kill himself using the power of, he's going to try to like reveal himself so that the vampire Pope killed him.
And, but then Bella shows up with maybe the only character that I genuinely enjoy in the entire series, Alice, Edward's sister to, to save the day. And they do. And Dakota Fanning's in there too. She does something. That's, that's new mood. What I, I guess like my first talking point was when I was watching this, what really stuck out to me was,
I guess I want to hear people's takes on the chemistry between Bella and her two love interests. Because when I was watching this, I thought she just had so much more chemistry with Jacob. She made jokes and they had fun moments.
ever they like did activities together. Uh, and I sort of found her whenever she was with Edward, they were just like busy talking about how much they like liked each other in a kind of brooding sort of way. Um, and I get that that's like supposed to be romantic or whatever, but I just viewing it now is like two people hanging out. Like I w I guess if I was an outsider, I would have been surprised that Bella ended up with Edward and not Jacob. Um,
I wouldn't have been surprised that she didn't end up with that random third guy. The guy on the motorcycle? No, no, no. The poor kid at her high school who thinks he has a chance. Mike! His name is Mike, yeah. But did Mike used to date Anna Kendrick? Because he should have just... Yes. They dated Anna Kendrick, was jealous, he liked her, and then he dated Anna Kendrick because Bella obviously isn't into him. Yeah, okay. Wow. Imagine being lucky enough that you're like, I guess I have to settle for Anna Kendrick. Anyways...
Anyways, thoughts on that, people. What do we think about the chemistry between Bella and Edward contrasted with that of her and Jacob? Okay, I'll start on this because honestly...
I think that the chemistry between Bella and Jacob is what makes this movie bad. The lack of the lack you this movie makes you realize how much Robert Pattinson carries this entire fucking series on his goddamn back because whatever he's not there.
The acting level just dramatically drops and he's not here for what? 80% of the fucking movie apart from just randomly showing up as a force ghost sometimes during Bella's like, like it's like Bella's going through like a Mario cart speed trial and the, the images of Edward, she has to drive through them to see where she has to go along the track.
But yeah, Taylor Lautner is cool whenever he's Bella's friend that she can joke around with. I do agree with that. That chemistry is great. But whenever he has to play the brooding lover boy like he does in this one, as well as like basically the rest of the series, he just he's not that guy.
And it's not even necessarily a Jacob thing. It's a Taylor Lautner thing. Like, Taylor Lautner is just not a strong enough actor to carry that sort of thing. Yes, he's fucking hot as fuck. I will give you that. Man has a... You could literally, like...
Great cheese. Yeah, you could grate cheese off of his abs. You could wash clothes on those shits, that sort of thing. Like, he's great looking, don't get me wrong, but his acting chops just aren't there like Robert Pattinson or even Kristen Stewart, and it shows in this, in the lack of chemistry, in my opinion. They're great as friends, though. I would agree with that. Yeah, I guess, I don't know. You know, he does get kind of broody when Edward shows up and is just sort of like...
I'm the winner. And Bella's like, yep, he sure is. So that was sort of unfortunate for him. But I liked him before Edward was back. Anyone else have thoughts here? I do. The thing I like about Jacob and Bella together is I think Jacob brings something out in her, whereas Edward kind of makes her more inward, if that makes sense. She's definitely like...
I mean, she goes through the whole depressive episode where it's just like words that are months in the book. And Jacob definitely pulls her out of that. And I think that is like the most appealing factor between those two. Whereas in this one, I think it highlights more of her dependency on her relationship with Edward, which is not always healthy.
especially considering it's a vampire too like isn't that like one of the like i don't know vampires are very different depending on the culture they come from and like who's writing it blah blah blah but like isn't there one where the vampires keep the the offspring or the their hosts let's say or whatever alive and then they become addicted to being bitten isn't that like a vampire trade or am i completely making that up yeah no is that from true blood
That's from True Blood. I think they definitely use glamour in this one. By the way, I was just, I was saying the whole time, I was like, True Blood's just better because it's unabashedly horny. Twilight's so scared to be horny, whereas True Blood is like, I'm jacking off in front of you and there's nothing you can do about it. I don't know if this is... In a good way, though. I can't tell the story now.
Nevermind. Like true blood is Louis. You're Sarah Silverman. You're cool with it. Save it for the page. Dirty laundry out miles. We want to hear also, I use the only good, uh, the only good source of vampire knowledge, which is the D and D monster manual.
Yeah, I guess I, so I haven't seen true blood. So I, it's, it's gotta be a common theme in multiple pieces of media. I've never read about true blood. I know what it is obviously, but I've never, so I feel like that's like a common theme. So I was thinking about like, is that maybe like a vampire thing? You know, you know, so like maybe there's that,
happening here but at the same time I doubt that that was what Stephenie Meyer was going for it was definitely the oh I miss my boyfriend or I miss my ex whatever like kind of thing that I agree Simone your point about the chemistry that Jacob and Bella clearly have like he
They're awesome together. And I think his like when he goes through his like I'm becoming like the beta in the pack moment, like like like that definitely causes him to do the brooding to to some degree. There's a level of the pack mentality being shown. And I didn't love all of that that was happening, but it was cool. I think with the werewolf thing, they have like mood changes, too. So that's kind of where he's like randomly like a dick to people. You know what I mean? So that's what's kind of going on.
Because he yelled at Mike, I think, at one point. At the movie theater. At the movie theater. Good. Yeah.
He's threatening to kill him. He's threatening to kill him for getting sick at violence on a TV screen. Genuinely. The movie was called Kick Puncher 2 or something. You can't get sick at Face Punch. That's all I'm going to say. In the first place, he was only doing it for Bella. And that's the only reason I've ever watched New Moon. So me and Mike have something in common.
Do we think that Bella's addiction to the adrenaline was kind of meant to be like a euphemism for drug use and abuse in any way? Oh, absolutely. Because I thought it was cool because obviously she's getting the rush from seeing, not from doing the thing, but from seeing Edward at all. Because he's apparently like the force ghost. That was a great analogy. It really is kind of like a force ghost just showing up being like,
Don't do that. You know, whatever. Whatever you try to ride your bike inside and Pokemon. That's like Professor. That's a I kept waiting for him to come like save her. Like when she did the cliff jumping thing into the water, I expected it to be Edward who saves her, you know, like as in like, oh, he finally or what's her name? Alice. Correct. She can see into the future. She saw that she was about to get caught by the redhead vampire. So she
tells Jacob and then he runs all the way there across the Atlantic from Brazil and saves the day. That's why I expected it to happen. So it did subvert my expectations there. Also, can we just talk about how the fact that she didn't get saved before hitting the water
that would have actually made more sense if she got saved before she hit the water, because when she hit the water from that high up, she would have died. You could jump from that high up. You could jump from that high up. You have the form, but like...
They went on like a stormy ass day though. Like it was like the waves were hard and yeah, like she picked the worst day to do it. Right. Like she would have died once he hit the water. Like she was diving head first if I remember correctly. Yeah. Like she would have just boom and then she would have died. Like the actual subverting the expectations brings it out of the movie for me because like, oh God, the Mormon can't do science. Fuck. Yeah.
Yeah. The, uh, she does hit her head in the water too, I think. And that's when, um, again, eventually it is. Yeah. Cause, cause yeah, the waves are pushing her in. Like it was crazy. One thing I did notice was how stupidly the water was not CG for like the rest of the movie, but for whatever reason, during the cliff diving scene and in that scene, well, in that scene, it makes sense. Cause they need rough water and that's dangerous to, you know, have an actor in, but it was like so painfully, obviously CG or whatever. Um,
But yeah, sorry. Before we continue discussing water physics and, you know, everything else involved in that. Sorry, Pete, we did skip over you. I just got to say, like, if there's vampires and werewolves and we're talking about the physics of base jumping, it's like, I think I think we can subvert our expectations just a little bit on this one. No!
The vampires can, like, come through flinging each other across rooms by just, like, one-inch punching each other. I mean, Victoria, was Victoria swimming, like, towards her hallucination? Or was that her actually doing it because she jumped in the water? Because the wolves were chasing after her that whole time, right? I thought she was actually there. And then Jacob swoops in? Yeah. I wasn't sure about that part. I think she is. I think Ashley's correct there.
Do they kill her? No, I don't think. She's around, I think. One thing I'll say, Pete, in defense of the base jumping physics mattering, is that the fragility of humans, and Bella in particular, is actually sort of
like a theme here yeah but she's protected by vampire magic yeah man i'm just kidding it's like she could turn into a fighter jedi i wouldn't give a shit like it doesn't matter but i wanted to go back to like the chemistry between the two because i actually think the chemistry is great for a different reason so it's not because these two are like meant to be together and their chemistry just isn't there i'm gonna get real for a second if you've ever been the rebound
That's exactly what Jacob is the entire time. Like Bella never hides the fact. I feel like that she's only using him because Edward's not there. And I think how that is depicted in this movie hit me really, that's really hard. Like it hit me harder when I was like 18, but like I had flashbacks to when I was in high school or some shit. Like,
damn she said no to me and she's going to prom with joey it's like fuck like that's how i felt watching like jacob in real times it's like the whole time he is second fiddle the whole time he has no chance zero chance the entire time and like that's what i loved about their chemistry was that it was never there because it shouldn't have been that uh that last scene in particular too like when they're like facing off for the first time together against each other whenever she's like
Oh, it was never you. Or don't make me answer that because it's not you or something like that. Like that was like, that's a good moment for that, that emotion, I guess, or that analogy you use. I think it fits perfectly. That's that's seen hurt. I was like,
i'm not even the one getting cucked but it felt like sitting there you know like i was like fuck poor jacob no like jacob no like oh you're never the alpha you poor thing you were always the beta cuck the whole time like oh that would suck oh that's so funny there's still four more movies so we'll see what happens um i
I don't know. I, um, sorry, Jay, go ahead. You had, you had something you were going to say. Oh, I was just going to say somebody should edit that, uh, Pat rent a girlfriend panel to be. Oh yeah. With Jacob, but maybe Jacob as a wolf with an erection. Yeah. I mean, Bella was pretty clear with him a lot of the time too, though. I will say.
She's just like, I still love Edward, and you're like a brother to me, Jacob. The whole time. The whole time, like, she knew... Like, I felt like it was like... She's still playing with him, but she did keep saying no. Oh, yeah. Not to blame her at all, either. It's just that it was very, like... It was just very, like, damn. It was very, like, high school-ish. Like, this is something a high schooler would do. Like, that's what I love. Does he...
He kisses her in this one, doesn't he? It's the next one, I think. Yeah, it's Eclipse. Spoilers? What the hell, guys? Oh my god. That's the sketchy Jacob moment, right? Yeah, because that's when he tries to force his feelings onto her, and that's when it gets real weird. Yeah, yeah. I've...
I've been telling Patrick, like, because he's been definitely rooting for Jacob throughout this whole process, and I'm like, wait till we watch Eclipse. Just wait. Your opinion will change. He'll know what she wants. It's definitely done intentionally to, like, get you off the Jacob train, but... I guess Jacob gets a W in the end. Are we ignoring? No. Nope. No. One. Okay, one. Ugh.
I just don't consider that entire thing canon. I just, I think Stephanie Meyer was like on a cable. You do this with a lot of things you don't agree with in both. Yeah. When someone writes the scene at the end of Breaking Dawn, you ignore it. You just go, no.
That didn't happen. This is funny as someone who doesn't know what happened. So I don't want to know. I need to get there five years from now. You get there. You get there. It is...
It is insane. It's a pretty crazy thing. Only the mind of a Mormon could write this, really and truly. For sure. Yeah, I don't know. Okay, I guess I would, like, so, I don't know. To me, it's always, and I know there's, like, all of this, but, like, Jacob does sort of force his feelings on Bella, but then I remember that Edward is 100. Yeah. 117. Yeah. Yeah.
So, like, I don't know. I just feel, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, I don't know. I find it easier to cheer for Jacob, regardless of the sketchy behavior. Though I do think the point of all of this is that they're all messy as fuck and erect. They're toxic. Yeah, they're kind of both toxic. It's just like, I'm thinking about it now. Without John Henry and Brigham Young, we would never have gotten Twilight.
That's a crazy thing to think about. Like, like it's like that domino meme. No 9-11, no MCR, no Twilight. No, no, no, no killers either. Right. The killers were Mormon or something too. Right. So like we, we never would have gotten any of it. That's crazy. What a, thank God for Brigham Young. I love that.
mcr decided to not be on the soundtrack but they were in yo gaba gaba i wouldn't want to be in twilight either although paramore did make that bag yo decode that song bad yeah decode's a really good song yeah i like i like the soundtrack i do have a little ire with jay's take that the soundtrack wasn't quite as good i let me look up the new moon osd let me look up the new moon
knows because twilight i'm gonna i'm gonna read them i'm gonna read them out meet me on the equinox by death capricuti that's a great band of skulls hearing damage thom york possibility licky lee a white demon love song the killers satellite heart by anya marina i belong to you by muse
uh i'll just let's see roslyn by bon Iver and saint vincent all right i'll give them that uh done all wrong by black rebel monsters by hurricane bells the vile hour by seawolf shooting the moon by okay go all right i'll give you that slow life by grizzly bear deece no sound in the wind but the wind and new moon the meadow that's in the one like there's one original song that's crazy
Yeah, I don't know. Good. But they're not beating decode. None of that's beating decode. No, none of it beats decode. Or supermassive black hole or Lincoln Park. Was supermassive black hole in the first one? Yeah. Yes. What thousand years from?
Is that Twilight as well? Yes. Oh, it's Breaking Dawn. Okay. God bless. Yeah. Oh, the original Twilight has fucking flightless bird American mouth. How can you? Yeah. The first Twilight album is really, really good. Especially if you're into indie sleeves. Like I was just saying, this one is also good. Like, I think, I don't know. I,
You're being mean to meet me on the Equinox. Okay. And I'm not going to stand that. I will not take Death Cab's slander here. To be fair, I think the Death Cab song was like their main one. Like they put that in the advertisements. Yeah, as well they should. Yeah. I walked down the aisle to the postal service, which is more or less Death Cab. Hedgefork gave it a 5.4, man.
Yeah, Pitchfork gave Camp a 2.7 or whatever. Camp's pretty ass. Yeah, that's fair. I have no idea what's going on anymore. It sort of became a music podcast really quickly, and I do apologize. We saw Anthony or Ashley saw Anthony Fantano at our local mall like a week ago in public, and she didn't know it was him. And then she went home and was like, wait, that is him. Holy shit. Yeah.
yeah i thought i thought that was a good little segue here isn't that cool like i didn't know he lived in near me so there you go i won't dox him on the internet i just did kind of whatever yeah you're welcome uh yeah i'm just so humble you know um pat's up for two things plugging the discord and doxing anthony fantano
We did look it up. The reason we knew it was him was because we looked it up and it was already posted. Yeah, well, that too. And has bad music takes. But thank you. Not always. But shockingly, I don't agree with everything that this guy says. That's that's that's a shocker.
Let's go back to a twilight new moon. What do we think of the pack stuff? Cause we definitely got a little bit more into like the werewolves and they're the native, native Americans kind of disdain for them, why they have that disdain. My, my thought going into it as like a history buff and whatever was, it would be my, and, and,
Maybe other people would feel this way too. I expected it to be because vampires are unnatural. They never die. There's like a, an aspect of no, no appreciation versus like very traditional Native American values, especially out West tended to be like being one with nature. You know, everything lives, everything dies. When, when you eat something you're taking from the land and then giving back to the land, like in, in the future, blah, blah, blah like that.
That's like the whole MO, so to speak. And that's why I expected the vampires and the werewolves to not get along very much. And I thought that that was what the Native American backstory was used for. But it really didn't seem... That didn't seem like it to me, at least. That was like their reasoning for disliking each other. It seemed a lot more along the lines of, well, they just kill humans and we don't like that. Or they're on our territory. Does that get explored in further movies? Because if that is the case, then...
yeah it is it is okay they got historical beef essentially is that specific tribe and then the random ass vampire uh colonial vampires colonists basically ah oh so it is it is a little the native colonial thing going on okay old world new world whatever you want to say okay so there is that going on that's cool um i appreciated that as like a history guy i was just like oh this is
thematically it makes sense you know that they wouldn't like each other by maybe i was just expecting it to be like the only reason or like the main it's a pretty interesting backstory if you do look into it it's pretty good well should i go into it here yeah well if you want to yeah is it spoilers i don't know it's it is kind of spoilish for the next movie but i mean you can spoil it i don't think anybody cares yeah it's fucking twilight okay
So basically, one of the colonial vampires ends up killing, like, I think the chief's, like, wife. And the, basically the pain from that transforms him into a wolf and gives him the ability to kill his mate's murderers, essentially. Yeah.
Is this one of the older, like the original? Oh, okay. So not the current alpha and his waifu. That was a weird little like... Yeah, it triggered like a bunch of people to like turn into werewolves in that tribe, basically. I don't think Stephanie Meyer did a lot of studying, if I'm going to be honest. Whoa, you think? I had said the exact same thing when we were talking about...
the Native Americans and like the author's interpretation of them. He was giving her a lot more credit. He was like, oh, maybe this is where she's going. And I was like, I don't think she thought too deeply into it. We don't give Mormons a lot of credit for Native Americans. Yeah, definitely not.
wonder why they are they are a real tribe though the coalite tribe so really yeah that's cool so she went to a library but she didn't like look at any primary sources probably she just looked at like titles of books it seems like sure and um i know all of the guys that acted in the wolf pack are natives themselves they come from different tribes but they're all native except for taylor lotner
Of course. I regret to inform you the Quillette tribe received zero compensation for Twilight despite their name and culture being used for it. Not surprised at all. That doesn't sound like the movie industry at all. What the hell? That's so weird. Or the book industry. No, not at all. Yeah, that's crazy. We'll take a ferry down to Charlotte. Yeah.
What, um, what did we think of though? Like to, to go a little deeper into them. Cause I guess these are there. Jacob's tribe is a pretty big focus on the movie too. I think they establish like there's the alpha and then there's everybody else. And some of them get to be wolves. Some of them don't, that would suck to not be one of the ones that gets to be a wolf, by the way, that would really suck to not find out. Like, what do we think about the way that they,
Because I thought the alpha and then, of course, the wife having the scars, I was kind of like, okay, maybe they're going to do something interesting with it. Maybe they will in the future too. Again, maybe it's not fair to judge book two out of five or movie two out of five, however many it is. But I was just like,
They kind of just walked right past the, oh yeah, he domestically assaulted her, but they're still together. Don't worry about it thing. And I was kind of just like, oh, you know, like that was, it kind of gut punched me, if you will. Took me out of the movie a little bit. I don't know if that, again, maybe gets addressed in another future movie, but I didn't love that, you know? Yeah. I think that there's some, you know, it is so interesting because like, it is, I guess like domestic assault or something, but then like,
There's some amount of them not being able to control their actions and in that form. Right. And like that is established in the world. So I sort of viewed it as her being like, I love this guy enough to deal with the issues that he turns into an uncontrollable wolf that mauls me sometimes. And however you want to take that metaphor, which can go like a lot of different ways. Simone, it looks like you're thinking of things.
He imprinted on her. So that's like his special lady. Oh, okay. Do we know that exists yet? They're like cosmically connected. Okay, we do know it exists yet? They talked about it, but they didn't go in-depth on it. But that's like his special lady, basically. So they're forced to love each other by fate. Despite everything else. Yeah. It doesn't matter the situation. Say she... Never mind.
That's interesting. There were so many times... Oh, it sure is interesting, Pat. It's interesting. That's my kind of... See, I'm trying to be nice here. I'm trying my best to be nice to this movie and to Stephanie Meyer specifically. Don't be nice to Stephanie Meyer. Somehow she's not the worst writer from our childhoods, though. Isn't that crazy? She's not even close to the worst writer in our childhoods in terms of like
You know Jasper was a confederate? Yes. That's fucking crazy. He told me that. And your favorite girl has stood by him despite that. Despite meeting him in the 1950s where I'm sure he was throwing out some words. Yeah. And they met in a diner, by the way. I bet he saw, you know what? He probably saw some people sit at the diner and was like, move.
Get out of here. I won't be a part of this sit-in protest. Go on, get it. I gotta meet my best girl over here. Yeah, well, I will say Alice was born in Mississippi in 1901. Not great. I can say it. The odds, I will say, are probably not in her favor.
Another good teen movie there. Can we talk about that movie instead? I love, I love the, I really liked the Lord song from that one soundtrack. I guess, sorry, where I was going with that though. I think there were so many moments in this movie where I sat there and I said, I have a question. And then I sat there and said to myself,
It's probably answered in the book, you know, like, like that, I, that happened to me so many times in, in the first movie, it happened a few times, but this one, I just kept going like, Oh, this scene feels like it was meant to be like three chapters in the book rather than a two minute scene or whatever. Yeah. Like I just kept going.
And it couldn't keep up. You know, I can see where manga people are, you know, so frustrated with anime adaptations now, like in hindsight, you know, like, like if you knew the source too, I wonder what this movie, like, I guess we have the right people to ask here. I had never read the books and I felt like there were things missing. How many things were missing for people that did read the books? Like, Oh, so many, so many things.
Like enough that it completely changes the movie or would you say it's generally the same? The movie has a lot more like inner monologue, which helps a lot more with like kind of how she's processing the scenes and how everything's
Everybody's like interacting. I don't think that translates quite as well onto screen. I also think this movie in particular is filler. Like a lot of it is like establishing things that they're going to explain down the line kind of deal. You know what I mean? Which is one of the reasons why it's not like my most favorite out of all the Twilight movies.
That makes sense. That makes sense. Oh, the characters, though, are pretty fun. I have to say I really liked and I guess this is me talking about the last two movies because like I hadn't had the chance to do it. His name's Charlie, right? Her father, her father and her relationship.
is awesome charlie is great i was very excited in the first movie when it was like oh i'm gonna go live with my estranged father you know like i i expected it to be very like classic teen bookie where she doesn't get along with him and whatever and of course they're not perfect but they they have a really strong relationship and he's such a genuine person and and a good guy it seems like again i
I hope I don't have to eat my words in like two, two movies from now, but like they, they, their relationship I thought was a really well, well done aspect of both movies. I think personally, like he, and it was refreshing to not just see like, Oh yeah. Brooding sad dad that is distant and an alcoholic and doesn't like connect with his child. Like, you know, as like, which seems to happen in a lot of teen dramas, you know?
Charlie carries every scene that he's in, in my opinion, just because he is the only person that feels like a person, like has a good head on his shoulders. Drinks good beer, too. I agree with... Sorry, Burleigh, you were going to say something. Go ahead. I would watch a movie where Charlie is a vampire slayer. That's amazing!
i was i mean that exists that's just abraham lincoln vampire slayer yeah no but it has to be charlie swan it has to be charlie i was actually gonna say something kind of similar i think that i don't know if you guys have ever uh seen or read uh rosencrantz and guildenstern it's kind of like a hamlet perspective from like people from rosencrantz and guildenstern who are two just regular guys uh
Or there's also a novel called We All Just Live Here, which is kind of like from a Buffy perspective. But it's like...
The idea of seeing the perspective of these supernatural adventures from the people who aren't involved with it, I think Anna Kendrick, Mike, and Charlie would be an amazing core three to have them talking about what this bullshit is like to witness all this when they have no idea what's going on. I think that that would just be really interesting, honestly, and there's a lot of room there to have some commentary on it.
That would be pretty cool. I didn't even think about it. What was Mike doing for the rest of this movie? Soaking. Yeah, throwing up in the toilet. Who knows? Yeah, that is very interesting to think about. And Anna Kendrick's character is...
just like very rational the entire time like what are you doing why are you going to these strangers that are drunk and on bikes and riding around what was the line it's like yeah you might be feeling this but I have problems too you know I get you're depressed and all but you know I've got problems too you know what I have to say I don't know I'm crazy enough right like I have enough
mental illnesses that I'm allowed to say this. I feel like get over it, girl. Your boyfriend broke up with you. Like, like it was months ago. I would be so annoyed if I was her friends and it was like,
six, seven months later and she was like... It's like four months in the book. Yeah. Imagine you're her friends and you see her doing that loser fucking shit of sitting by herself at the table they used to be at when you're in the same cafeteria. I couldn't help but laugh. I'd be like, what the fuck is wrong with you actually? Like,
Like, girl, you should get up. Yeah. What made me feel so worthless. That was the entire time. Like, I don't know. I talked about this like a little bit, like, I guess watching this from like a more adult perspective now, right. Where you're less attached to the feelings you had as a teenager, where it's just like, girl, you have all these like friends that want to help you out that are like right there that you could just like go and talk to. But like the whole thing is set up so that she's like cooler and more important than them. Yeah.
And they're too mundane for her because she's dating vampires and werewolves and stuff. Lame human. Yeah, and it's, I don't know, it's sort of sad and unfortunate, you know what I mean? Like, it's just, I don't know, she could have had support more than she let herself have, and that's a bummer. 100%. If this was Trueblood, Anna Kendrick would be possessed by, like, a demon or some shit. That's why Trueblood's better.
Trueblood goes off the fucking rails there's a guy in Trueblood who is an Afghanistan vet who is haunted by a fucking djinn because he killed brown people it rages yeah no that's an American guy oh no you're right I'm mistaken too also Eric Northman is in Trueblood and therefore Alexander Skarsgård my boy he's so good I love Eric
Who's the actor you liked, Ashley? The head of the Voltaire. Not the Voltaire. Voltaire. Oh, Michael Sheen. Yes! Volturi. He plays Oro. He's also in the Underworld movies. He's so good. Yeah, he's great. He was really good. I was impressed. Ashley hyped him up beforehand and I was like, I think all the Volturi were feeling themselves and their wigs and stuff. They were loving it.
They got all the wig budget. Yeah.
I called them Voltaire as well, Pat. Don't worry about it. I just learned what's wrong. It'd be funny if Voltaire was their leader. That would be really good. What's the most famous Voltaire quote? Let's see if it's actually intentionally... I know one. I can't think of one. Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to your death the right to say it is paraphrasing, but it is something. Bevel tear. I think he had some good last words, if I remember. Yes. Now is not the time for making new enemies when a priest urged him to renounce Satan on his deathbed. Yeah, so fucking baller. That's really good.
Maybe he was a vampire. Who knows? Yeah, there's no proof that Voltaire was not a vampire and started the Voltari or whatever they are. Coming winter 2025. So what? Voltaire was reincarnated as a vampire. Yeah. 2025 on High Dive. You lost me there. I lost you. But he's right. That's absolutely where it would be. That's a high dive.
awesome well do we want to um cover anything else before we get to our closing thoughts like anything that we uh any major theme that we feel like we missed or didn't talk about any major scene i guess again the ending scene it's like kind of cool like i i thought it was very cool that edward was like oh i don't want to live without bella except for the fact that he did it himself and like whatever you know yeah i want to hear from the twilight heads yeah okay what do we got like burley you got anything um
the scene where he was about to come out into the sunlight and we were like seeing some of the behind the scenes, the amount of times she like ran into him, into his chest to get the right scene. Like, yeah, we, we watched that and it,
Because Stephanie Meyer was one of the directors for the movie, if I remember correctly. I think she's a producer. Yeah, well, like, she still called, like, some of the shots, basically. And I just can't...
overstate how much I hate this woman because there has like at the end of that shoot they had to have bruises because like we heard the sound of Kristen Stewart running into Robert Pattinson and it just sounds awful and they had to do it over and over again and there's a reason why it looks like they're about to fall well vampires don't bruise so yeah but these white people don't like it
the special effects on his skin were cool I thought that's something I guess we didn't talk about the the diamond skin I was impressed by that the the running stuff though always bothered me because it was like if they're gonna try and show that they're ultra fast like with the phasing in phasing out whatever why are they not moving you know like they're not actually moving any faster like if they teleported that'd be cool or whatever you know I mean like
It just felt like they would teleport in place. You know? I don't know. The rest of the CG in the movie, though, wasn't terrible, I don't think. But the running was really tough at times. The wolves were using all that budget. I think the wolves kind of hold up. The wolves do hold up. They look good still. I thought the elevator in the Volturi lair was really funny. Just the fucking blocky silver just in the middle of a cave elevator. That was hilarious.
The whole scene where they're judging them, I thought was pretty well conveyed. And the part where they're walking out and they're going to eat a horde of people and you can hear the screams in the background. I thought that was a really good attention to detail. Honestly, it's a pretty good book to movie translation. Honestly, I can't really hate on it too much for that one.
That scene was horrifying to me. I was like, oh, no, that was very, very sad. Some kids in there to actually point it out to me. I didn't even think about that. That's I guess that's like the whole point is they're not good people. Oh, they just forgave them. But they're still not the good guys, so to speak. Like it's supposed to like establish them as, you know, clearly the antagonists of the story, which I guess is good on them. Good job.
Stephanie Meyer, whatever your name is.
We didn't talk about the first scene. I know this is a random time. We didn't talk about the first scene in the movie at all, which always makes me laugh when they're just like walking through this meadow. And she's like, Bella, stop or Edward, stop. This old lady will see you. And she's the old lady is like, excuse me, miss. And then she reaches out to touch. She's like, oh, my God, that's what I'm going to look like. I'm an old bitty. No. The dream sequences. Yeah, the dreams were very like
In your face, it felt like, too. I can see why Bella woke up screaming from them, honestly, because that would be scary. I feel bad for Charlie during that. Like, you know, Charlie, he's working long hours. I know he's slaying pussy at home. So he's not getting a lot of sleep to begin with because he's giving out quarter mustache rides all night. So, like...
Here's 50 cents, though. The screaming probably fucks him up. Yeah, exactly. I'll take three for the price of two for 50 cents. Even though all cops are bastards includes Charlie.
i saw a defund paw patrol bumper sticker that has a side note to that i because every time kayla puts it on uh for coop i say a cab and yeah whatever he mentioned like five hikers or whatever have been killed and they were trying to figure it out i misheard and thought they said five tigers had been killed and i was like why do they have five fucking tigers and forks that's
Does fucking Joe Exotic live here or some shit? Pacific Northwest. You've never... We had tigers running around all the time. That's why Gonzaga's mascot is the tigers. Yes. Go tiger dogs. The tiger dogs, yes.
I think we move on to closing thoughts then. I think we're approaching our time. So, and we got quite a few closing thoughts to get through. For those that aren't fully familiar, we do, you know, anything that we missed, you think that you wanted to highlight that we didn't talk about as well, two minutes or less or so, and then give us your final score out of 10 for Twilight and New Moon. So Kat, why don't you give us a good little demo run and your final thought score?
Oh, yes. So, Twilight, New Moon, is one of...
I don't watch a lot of movies a lot of times unless they're like anime. Like I, my main two sources of media are either video games or YouTube videos and anime, of course. But like movies, I just tend to stay away from because my attention span is fairly short when it comes to these. And
this was not an exception. There were a lot of times where I was just having to rewind through the movie to try and get details that didn't matter. And I just...
I hated it. But Burley made the made the movie very, very fun to sit through because she was able to just like she was able to make a movie that I ordinarily would have stopped after 30 minutes and made it halfway bearable. So my final thoughts of this movie sucks and I would give it a three out of three out of 10. All right. Not too bad to start. Not too bad. Early. What about you?
I'd give it a nine and a half out of ten. I can't remember what I gave the first one. Probably a ten. I think it was a ten. So I'll give it like a nine and a half, mostly because of like the nostalgia rather than the actual content of it.
very valid i'm going to be the person who does this unfortunately we have a long-standing tradition where only whole numbers are allowed now pete was gonna let this fly so you're a guest but i won't okay we have time because we use the mal rating score for anime i'm using the letterbox version of this for new mood which you can do four and a half oh no you can't do 9.5
Oh no. IMDB, brother. IMDB, brother. Can I give this? I'm on IMDB. If Burley wants a 9.5, I'll give it to her. Who am I going to say no to her? Burley actually is listed on IMDB. I guess we're just destroying five years of tradition. Yeah, fuck it. Who cares? Yeah. Don't you not care? Nothing is sacred. It's the April Fool's episode. It's like...
Okay, 9.5. Let's go. 9.5. Yeah. There we go. Yeah, would you like to change your score to include like a decimal or a fraction or something? Yeah, sure. 2.5. All right. Okay. He took a point away. I took a half a point away. Don't do that to me. This is, what's it called? Whose Lies Anyway, where the points are made up and none of this matters.
Right. It's a great radio show. Miles, what about you? I don't, I don't fucking know the movie. Not good. Did I have a good time? Yeah, I did. And because of that, you know, I sort of need to balance these, these two things. As the YouTube comments have pointed out recently, I have a reputation, reputation to uphold of being pretentious. I can't score this like too high. Right. But on the other hand, I,
I don't fucking care. This is like a seven for me. I had a good time. It's not like fine cinema or anything, but like, I mean, it was fun. It's fun and nostalgic. And I got to like hang out with my wife and quote things. And it was a good time. I'm just sad that no one calls Bella a spider monkey in this movie. And so I took off three points for that.
What, loco? It's not better than spider monkey? Loca is in many- Why is he speaking Spanish? Yeah, that was- I thought it might be some like, you know, like Native American term or something. It is not. It is Spanish. Who knows? So your score is a seven? Because you took off three points? Gotcha. All right. Thank you. Exactly.
thank you i can do math uh pete what about you yeah new moon is more than just a movie it's it was like really quick pete i want to give this a 7.333 thank you you interrupt me for that okay i did it was important now now you killed my vibe and i don't know what to say anymore i had it all lined up in my head oh okay where was i okay so new mood
Was more than just a movie for me. It was for a span of two years. It was a major part of my life, which is hilarious to say watching this movie. I remember sitting in miss Steven's English class, reading this book. And like, I remember the feeling that I had of,
this with like my classmates and trying to get a date for prom because maybe she'll like new moon. If I could talk to her, then I, maybe I can ask her the problem and all that stuff worked. It was awesome. Like it, it's crazy how like this movie in particular, like, like,
Was the CGI terrible? Absolutely. Was the acting horrendous? One of the worst acting performances I've ever seen in my entire life. It won like every Razzie award, but also funny. It won like the MTV movie award for like best movie and best actress and stuff. So I think that will what you will, but this movie has won 24 awards. So shout out to new moon. Yeah. It was just a lot like, like I, as I'm getting older, I found properties that like mean a lot to me. Like my score is like raised higher and like,
the twilight franchise is that whether i like it or not so uh on paper i think this movie is like a 6.9 but i'm going to give this a 10 i'm gonna give it a perfect score i fucking love new moon i just i just need to like this is so insane to me in our last four watch including this if i had a gun to my head and
They were like, Pete is going to give one of these shows a seven. Steins Gate, Pokemon the first movie, Link Click Britain Arc, and New Moon, and all the others would be tens. I'd be dead. Yeah, me too.
That Pokemon movie kicks ass, bro. That's right. That movie was awesome. I just think it's crazy that we're going to definitely score New Moon higher than the Link Click season. It's just more fun to have fun with movies. I don't want to nitpick every critique and be like, you know what? They could have done this scene better and done this. You know what? I took this for what it was. I had so much fun watching it. I had so much fun
during when this was out and like reading it and watching it and affecting it's crazy that this movie in particular this property in particular changed like my entire like high school life it's insane to say that but that's what happened so like i got it the nostalgia is popping 10 out of 10 baby you've got a lot of for that a lot of people lost their virginity because of twilight pete yeah shout out john henry um
Yeah, Jay. You must have been a huge fan of everyone losing their vachines. Yeah, Jay, what have you got for Twilight A New Moon? I'm holding up five fingers. Or four fingers and a thumb. I'm not saying five. Since we're allowing points, it's a .5, baby. That's right. Less than one. .5. Oh, yes. Oh. Oh, yes.
I thought this was going to be the lowest. Oh, yeah. That's the kind of action he's done. We're so judgmental. Okay, we're not outscoring Link Link anymore. They crushed it. Simone, what about you? This movie reminds me of just being an awkward preteen girl waiting and hoping I find my true vampiric love. Watching it, I question a lot about my tastes.
But I'm going to give it like a 7.5 out of 10. It's one of my favorite movie series. It's close to my heart. It's just not my favorite one. Valid. Valid. Ashley, what about you? I'm definitely going to echo a lot of what's already been said. Yeah, it's not breaking down barriers or winning any...
crazy awards, but just from a nostalgic perspective, I love this movie. I just remember being young and watching it with friends, with my mom, enjoying the ridiculousness
I would give it an 8 out of 10. 8 out of 10. All righty. I'm saving the 10 out of 10s for the Breaking Dawns. That's what's up. Oh, wow. Okay, wow. So I'm going to turn into a heel when we get to the Breaking Dawns because my scores are going to go lower. Breaking Dawn Part 2 has maybe the worst climax of any movie I've ever seen. It's actually so amazing.
I'm so excited for this episode. That'll be fun to do in like four years or however long it'll take us to get there. Hey, we're five years in already, by the way. Shout out this podcast and join the Discord if you want to yell at us about these opinions.
sick plug pat if you come in and argue about our twilight i'm gonna ban you with like i was gonna say i bought them i yeah i'm gonna argue about twilight you get a promotion i i
You can slander a horrid. You could slander violent. Every guard you ain't slander a new boot in my discord. Hell no. That's that's the rule. Add it to the rules. We don't have many, but yeah, I guess. And then finally for my score, I'm going to go, uh,
I don't know. I enjoyed it. I had more fun. I probably wouldn't have had fun with it without watching it with Ashley and without being able to talk to you guys about it though. So, um, my final score is going to be a two to the third power divided by two, uh, just
Just since we're crazy with the scores. That is correct. Yes, good job, guys. You learned PEMDAS. I'm very proud of you. So that brings our final score total to a 49.3 repeating. Divide that by 368 of us. 6.17, I believe. I believe it is, yeah, 6.17 repeating. I'll take that. For the Twilight Saga, New Moon.
That's our final score on that part. Now... I need to see where we are compared to the first Twilight movie, which we gave a 6.8. We do. So we all agreed it was a little bit of a step down at the beginning, or a lot of us thought that. Except for Pete, who gave this a 10. Yeah, this is actually the best movie ever. Sure.
Oh yeah, there we go. So that wraps up Twilight Saga. Now, Miles, what did we had our viewers vote and ourselves vote as well for what show we're watching next? Like we normally do again. What one? What are we watching two weeks from now? Yeah. So in third place, we have Pat's favorite anime of all time, Citrus. Oh, we got Legacy Point?
It did. It's a second legacy point. It now has two. Bam. Earning its first legacy point and second was the saga of Tanya the evil. And in first place, and in a very large surprise to me, because this honestly was kind of a blowout of a week, is Sugar Apple Fairy Tale. Wow. Just crushed. And I've nominated that several times before, and I don't think it's ever placed before. But it is.
It won. Two Shoujos back to back. Let's go. Homophobic.
Because we didn't pick citrus. Is that why? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. If anything, that's anti-family. Yeah. Anti-family. Yeah. What a show. Citrus. Yeah. All right. But yeah, so we are watching sugar apple fairy tale and now we've got a lot of people to go through a lot of shows to nominate this time. That's fun. That'll add some, some chaos into this mix.
So yeah, now we're going to take our turns nominating shows that we're going to be voting on for the next two weeks. So, Kat, what are you nominating? I'm going to re-up, what's it called, Saga of Tanya and the Evil. Oh, I see.
That did very well. It was definitely Sugar Apple Fairytale, like, won in a landslide, and then Saga was next. And then everything else was pretty grouped up near the bottom. Burly, what about you? What are you nominating for Watch Club? Does it have any, like, core specific? Usually one core. One core or a movie. Or a movie. Okay.
What about Inu Ex Foku SS? Sure! There we go, let's do it. I'm voting for the fuck out of that. Yeah, there we go. I don't even know what that is. It's by the same person who did the Evil Lieutenant and the Magical Girl. Oh! I think I recommended it to Jay for Secret Santa a couple years ago. Oh, no, I don't think you gave it to me. It was.
I remember. Are you sure? Was it not the other? It might have been the other Jay. There's multiple Jays. No, it was probably Rifle. It was Rifle. It was someone. I watch all my Secret Santa stuff. If we had just learned that Jay completely ignored a burly Secret Santa that was going straight into the Discord. That made me feel like shit for a second. I'm not gonna lie. Alright.
It's okay. I thought I'd let you down. That's all. Miles, you won again, you prick. What do you want to nominate now? Okay. Should I do something Mimi or something? Not Mimi. Mimi. Okay. Yeah. What we have learned from this movie series that we write, right? Some people are saying, oh, it's not fine cinema. There are no messages to take home. I disagree. Yeah.
I think that we can learn that we must face our monsters and then we have to fuck our monsters. Now, what is the monster in this metaphor? Now, I guess this is an anime podcast. So actually there's just like a bunch of shows I could pick. Yeah. I was like, yeah, there was a monster fucking, but that's not what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to face like my own personal demons here. And so, um,
As the sequel to the show is wrapping up, I figured I might throw my good friend Jay a bone here and commit to something that I gave up on pretty early just to see. So the results are either I like it or I get to be a more informed hater. These are my goals. I will be nominating the 100 girlfriends who really, really, really, really, really love you.
And we will face our fears of that show existing. But I didn't expect that out of, I was expecting one of the other like 15 shows where it's about like how you have sex with like, yeah, I didn't realize that like those shows exist as I was making the metaphor. Yeah.
I wasn't thinking of that. I thought you were doing Monster Musume. I'm like, god damn, bro. I thought you were going to do Monster Musume as well. What was the one that got banned or whatever? Yeah, yeah, yeah. An ironically pretty good show. Terrible show. Throw your hate in. Terrible show. Jay has to nominate it. Yeah, Jay nominate it.
uh but pete uh pete's next pete what have you got next so this is a show that i'm actually gonna be talking about next week but i want to do it in like a group setting as well it's a show that's like i'm absolutely loving it i would love to hear everybody's thoughts of the group i'm gonna nominate medalist medalist okay i'm it'll be done about nominating medalist and then i was like pete's gonna be like we're gonna have an episode on that in a week you can't do that miles
You tricked me. Dominate. Do whatever you want. Jay, what have you got? Man, you know, I'm just going to go ahead and nominate interspecies reviewers. Fuck yeah. Why not?
We're going to have to watch interspecies reviewers, and that's crazy. I'm going to whip people to vote for this. I'm going to be the party whip here. It's like a regular old...
Oh, I can't say the actor name. Don't say that. Don't say that. I'm not like him at all. Nope. Not at all. Nope. And I couldn't think of the character name. So I was about to say the actor name. So it was Ashley's live reaction to the interspecies reviewers. Now that I just pulled up for her. So I hope, let me blow up this image for you, Ashley here. Go for it, Ashley. So of course, and this is the rules thing.
If you're on the episode, the show gets nominated and you have to watch it. Or or else it's unfortunate. This was the highest rated anime of all time at one point. Fun fact, it was. It's crazy. Yeah, that's not ever a bad thing. Simone, what would you like to nominate? 2004's Rosen Maiden.
from downtown ancient had to watch youtube let's go for it baby love the whole aesthetic here okay oh are you googling it jay looks interesting cool very vintage yeah there we go
Or wait, oh no, I'm looking at the not the 2004 one. Okay. There we go. Wow. It doesn't have to be 2004. No, no. Do the one that you want. I just love the way late 90s, early 2000 anime look. Oh yeah. It's definitely chock full of old-fashioned Lolita. Just garbage. It's wonderful. I love me some garbage.
we know i love you cat all right uh ashley what have you got for the for the group i know we cannot do or in high school host club unfortunately so instead i tried last time i it it's a rookie mistake unfortunately but instead we uh what do we got well i was a big little mermaid fan growing up so i'll have to go with panio oh okay yeah panio i have there we go i
I'm a little personal story with that movie. I thought I saw Bubble. Bubble? Oh yeah, that would have been fun too. That's on Netflix, I think. We should watch that. It's a little morbid. Oh, it is? The story, it's based off of... Bubble is very pretty and very...
mid yeah we did an episode on it we did oh i did didn't i yeah yeah yeah i have seen it okay yeah i do remember it that's how that's how mid it was that i was like forgetting that you don't even remember that it's like based on the little mermaid and like the theming of it so that was like four years ago right yeah i think it was culverd
It was definitely COVID. Yeah, that was an interesting movie. I remember. Oh yeah, they were like floating around and jumping on shit and doing parkour, right? Like, wasn't that part of it? I don't know. I gave it an eight because it was so pretty. I enjoyed it. It was super pretty.
There you go. All right. And yeah, I guess to fully, oh yeah, the Ponyo story for me. One time I was in Maine with a bunch of my college buddies and we started watching it and we were so high that we don't remember anything about the movie at all. So high end drunk. There were fish and there was a wave of fish at one point, I think, or fish things or Ponyos, whatever they are. That's all I remember from it.
So yeah, that was, so I've technically already watched Ponyo, so don't have to watch it again. I'll come and discuss perfectly. Yeah.
Your burrito was that night or whatever. No, we were in, we were in remote Maine. We were not getting burritos, unfortunately. Yeah. Yeah. We cooked steak on a griddle indoors. That's we're in that era of college, college age thinking at least, but yeah, so I'm going to re-up high school, the dead. I think that that show, as we discussed pre-show, it just, it gets physics right every single time, you know, and it, it deserves the attention and the love that it gets.
I love that show. I think it's hilarious. And I also think it's actually unironically a good show. So we should watch it as a club and God damn it. We're going to do it eventually with 10 legacy points at this point, almost or something like that.
we'll, we'll get there. We're crying and we're across that line and hopefully it'll be in two weeks. But yeah, I guess that wraps up a watch club. Pete, take it away. If you have made this far and you want to support us, the best way to do so is just give me all your money. Give me a bunch, a bunch of money. Otherwise like comment, subscribe, leave a review on whatever platform you're watching or listening to us on. Now,
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