Astra Lost In Space Discussion & Review | Anime Watch Club
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Hello, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Anime Watch Club, a bi-weekly group discussion and review where the hosts of the What You Say Anime podcast nominate and vote on shows either we haven't seen or shows that hopefully lead to a great discussion. On today's episode, the Sussy Baccas of the What You Say Anime podcast will be reviewing the 2019 anime Astra Lost in Space. Let's meet today's passengers.

First up, he took 20 swipes to pass the key card test. Kind of sus if I do say so myself. We got Kat. Kat, how's it going? Look, bro, sometimes it just doesn't want to work with me.

I've had this issue with my actual credit card. I have issues with cards, apparently. I just destroyed them in the first year. Anyway, I'm doing great. All right, man, but you are looking a little sus tonight. Next up, he arranges the wires in the wrong order and then just left. Kind of sus, if I do say so myself. We got Jay. Jay, how's it going?

That is literally just me at work. And it's not because I'm sus. It's because I'm lazy. That's what's up. Our first moderator tonight. He claims he was in medical, yet there are no scans of him. We got miles. Miles, how's it going?

It's going good. If this show was anything like when we played The Last of Us as a discord back in the day, The Last of Us Among Us, they both end in the word us and therefore are the same. My strategy of just blame Johnny would be undefeated. Absolutely. Very, very true. And Pat, I'm not a sussy. Hell yeah.

I do think it's funny you flagged cat first. Hmm. Thinking. Putting on my kitchen cap. I'm pressing the button in the kitchen right now.

we have to call a meeting yeah call me um this is me on the imposter comms you can't just be saying shit like that yeah yeah yeah exactly hold on i'm gonna pull a race card real quick that always gets them like we always do they did work with johnny and cat quite a lot to be fair when we played yeah

All right. But yeah, well, we are all sussy bakas on this ship together. So I guess we should just ignore it until the end, right? Correct. Even though one of us is trying to kill each other. Yeah, we were watching the show Astro Lost in Space. You know what, Miles?

name a better solution. And you know what? You can't because I'm not going to let you right now. We watched Astro Lost in Space, which aired in the summer 2019 season. It's done by Studio Lurch, who did a lot of fun shows like Classroom of the Elite, Assassination Classroom, trying to think of the other ones that I saw when I was looking earlier. But it's a manga source of adventure, award-winning, mystery, sci-fi, suspense with themes of space and survival.

Yeah, why don't we just get started with our initial thoughts on the show. First few episodes. Miles, start us off. What do you think and would you recommend it? Yeah, the show was... It's a very interesting show. There are a lot of areas where I think it's pretty strong and it comes across...

That way, pretty quickly, the characters, while a bit tropey, I think are good. And I think they have actually pretty strong interactions with each other. I liked the group dynamic in this a fair amount. Like it is a little paint by numbers, but they they jazzed it up a little bit. And that's enough for me. The premise of this is a bit busy, but relatively strong. You have a group of teenagers who were supposed to be on like a day trip and

And there's like a, there's a traitor and they're trying to get back because they got sent way far away and some mysteries and stuff pop up. Kept me hooked throughout most of it. I was interested in the general premise of this. And then it also has like areas that are like insanely weak. Like anything sci-fi about this is like pretty awful from like a,

Like, if you think about the things that happen in this show and the decisions these people make for one or two seconds too long, which would be somewhere between two and three seconds, a lot of this falls apart. That being said, I think it's fun. I would probably recommend it. I think it's like, just know going into it, you are not getting Casablanca. You are getting Lost in Space, which is...

But not that. I don't know. It's fun. It's a good romp. Don't think about it too hard. It's not. Well, I think it actually might be trying to say something, but that's that's neither here nor there. It doesn't whether it's trying to or not. But yeah, I don't know. It's a fun show, I think, overall. So I would say if you're looking for a nice Benji show, give this a go. If you want something like that, you don't need to like.

zone in on yeah those are my thoughts you know i think it was saying something interesting because i i think like that's the whole point of the last episode i said it is trying to say something but it doesn't those are slightly different i think it does so i think we'll have to talk about that later i don't know if i agree with what it said but it it's interesting uh all right cap what about you

Yeah, I... First impression of the show is that this show felt very tropey to me during the first few episodes. I liked the main character. I liked Ares. I liked Kanata. Even though Kanata was a little bit too tropey for my taste. I feel like everybody was kind of that way at first, but I...

I guess I would recommend it if, like Miles says, if you're not trying to think about it too hard, yeah, I'd recommend it. If you're trying to find something that's, you know, really thought-provoking, no, skip it. Fair enough. All right, Jay, what about you? Yeah, so my first impressions of the show...

So I think that the first thing a lot of people who didn't watch this as it was airing, who might look into it, hear about this, is that it's described as among us in space.

And I think that that comparison does have some merit that you learn about within the first few episodes. Like the sabotage happens pretty early on. Obviously, there's some weird stuff going on with how they get lost in space, that sort of thing. But I also went into this thinking it was going to be kind of like Danganronpa in space as well, where we were going to be having some people get killed every couple episodes, maybe even every episode, trying to find out who the killer was before it was too late.

This is going to be a small spoiler for the show, but it's nothing like that. I won't go into any more detail at this moment in time. It will be something I talk about later. But just know if you're going expecting high octane, people dying every single time, gruesome murders, this is not the show for that. And I think that if you're somebody like me who thinks that that is the show you're getting, you might be a little bit disappointed when you get here.

I've mentioned it before on this show, but I come from a background of playing large-scale games of Deception online, both in talking to people every day and in the sense of playing Mafia and all that. So that sort of thing has a lot of... I give a lot of credit whenever shows do Deception and mind games right. I love a good Deception game. And I...

From the beginning, I don't think that this show is doing it in the right way. And I think that it set us kind of a bad tone in my mind. But the characters themselves are pretty good.

In general, I just think that like in the beginning, you can definitely tell who's going to be like the core group and who is going to be background characters. And yeah, overall, I think I would recommend this. I would agree with Miles and that I wouldn't really recommend this to like sci-fi fans.

Because this is not a sci-fi. There's no logic to anything that they're doing whatsoever. There's no internal consistency, anything like that. If you like space, but not sci-fi, go for it, I guess. If you like shows about summer camp, go for it, because that's basically what this is, is a show about summer camp.

There you go. All right. It technically is. Yeah, there you go. Pete, what about you? Yeah, I was kind of in the same boat as Jay. I was coming into this thinking that this was Danganronpa, essentially, of some sort. And then I realized after the first episode, this is a Scooby-Doo mystery. It reminded me a lot of like a Saturday morning cartoon where I think it's supposed to have like a wide base of audience where inconsistencies and plot holes and

and really bad writing are the norm because I don't think it's trying to, I don't think it's trying to be knives out. Like I think it's trying to be mystery of the week in an episodic format.

So once I changed my mindset after the first episode, I thoroughly enjoyed Astra. I thought this was really fun. I didn't care about some of the things that maybe like miles doesn't like in these type of shows where it's just like, why would you do this? It's making me go crazy. I'm just like, Oh, these kids are just stupid kids in space. And once I changed my mindset to that, I had a lot of fun just watching this. Uh, would I recommend this? I didn't watch it subbed, but I would say, uh,

Watch this sub. I thought the dub was terrible. I thought it was great. Oh my God. It was so good. It added to the campiness, in my opinion. Everyone had a different accent. Ugar or Ogre, as they call him. His voice actor in the dub was so bad. It was...

it was crazy yeah he's 16 and there's a thing that miles said in our grievance episode where like we don't know if shows are good or bad but i just disagreed with him i think this is bad i think this is a very bad dub like um that's not my point was you would know if a dub was bad or not and you wouldn't know if a sub was bad oh i said okay whatever well i think this dub is bad so i would say i recommend this

watching it sub and just go into it knowing that you're not getting knives out you're not getting agatha christie you're getting a scooby-doo like a mystery for a 12 year old this is a mystery for a 12 year old and if you go into that and just have fun with it i think you'll enjoy it

Yeah. All right. I agree with what everyone has said a lot about the characters. Their interpersonal relationships that they have are really cool and well done in the show. I think I can see where people are coming from with the sci-fi aspect as someone who really doesn't like sci-fi very much usually and is very much a fan.

Oh, it has to be grounded for me to like it or like make some sense. Like for whatever reason, I guess the fact that space travel existed in this universe and like that they would like that they established that they can travel at light speed and whatever. That didn't bother me that much because it was just like, OK, this exists. So I guess anything is possible. Maybe that is what helped me through it, because, again, usually I very much just like stuff like that.

I, I don't really know what else to say. I think I would recommend this show to most people. Like everyone else has said, I think if you just watch it, like from a casual perspective, it's pretty good. I thought the dub was fun too. Like, like what they were, you guys are saying that some of it was really bad. Like the voice acting was like, what the hell is going on here? But other parts of it were fun. And sometimes that made it better. Like that when a certain characters comes in later in the show, like,

Oh my God, is it funny? Like I started, I had to pause because I was crying, laughing at the first 10 words out of their mouth. I just could not.

could not stop laughing at it um now i just want to clarify for people listening to this pat was laughing because it was not good uh it was one might say it could fit the tone of the show though the voice acting quality was poor it was just silly yeah and i think i also don't think it was like like it wasn't on it it wasn't bad in a way that listening to it made it

Not fun or not translated well or whatever you want to say. And I can say that because I had to watch the final episode subtitled instead of dubbed for whatever reason that the dub didn't exist for that final episode for me. So I thought the subtitle voices were interesting. We're pretty good to like more fitting of the ages of the characters, like what you guys mentioned with one of the one of the younger characters.

uh characters but it didn't really change my enjoyment of the show too much for me i don't know i i think i i really had a good time watching this i like like you said two miles it's a really good binge i have to say it was super easy to just go episode didn't it right from one episode to the next i did not want to stop lots of plot holes but i again

Found a way to enjoy it. Despite that, I thought that it was just, I think the word you used can't, can't be was really good to describe it where I was just like, yeah, whatever that is.

That's very not real, but whatever. I don't know. It was weird. I normally hate that shit, and it did not bother me that much in this show. So I guess we can explore that when we get through this. But yeah, I would recommend this to most people, I think. I think you can find an enjoyment in it, unless you're Miles and...

I would like to clarify the plot holes are not that this advanced technology exists in this world. That is like a given of the world. The plot holes are that the people are so unfathomably stupid that the events could not occur. It is just impossible. It would take 42 seconds to figure out any of this from a global standpoint.

I am not even going to lie to you. Me and Simone literally, we called 75% of the plot twist within the first four episodes. Maybe it's because I'm sick and I am not, wasn't that into it. I obviously like what I think one, one thing you mentioned in the chat, Jay, the,

one specific plot twist with uh with the siblings i thought that that was a very that was so obvious very well there was some i knew there was something going on there oh they're not related by blood but like they look i guess we're gonna say they looked identical right so like i knew something was going on there for them to just be like siblings right so i was like all right well that's a clone that spoiler sorry we can do that before we just

yeah we can dive into this absolutely but that's why I was going to say before we do that spoilers going forward I think we had five recommends although some with caveats so that's a good sign for a show that we all enjoyed it enough to want to talk about it and we're we're just we're edging on we just have to get there we want to talk about it so let's get here bro I'm not edging over here okay you're edging on but I'm edging off yeah you are you sicko

Well, either way, spoilers going forward for those that are concerned or don't want to get spoiled on Astralos in space. But yeah, I guess we'll hop right into the spoilers, right? Just because we are a free-flowing show and we don't have structure, except we do, that we are just ignoring right now. So the spoiler you brought up, Jay, specifically the clones thing, I can see where people would have predicted that. But what other...

Like that, that they were all clones. I didn't see that coming at all. No one saw that coming because there was no basis for that. Right. I actually had, I thought there was something fucking going on with their parents because of how much they made them individual characters. I agree with that. So I thought that I thought their parents were,

Can we just say all the spoilers here? Yeah, no, we're on to the end of the episode now. I thought I knew the format, but I just wanted, just in case. But like, whenever their parents were done as individual characters, and then they also were, like, it wasn't them struggling versus the government, like in a Stranger Things type thing. I was like, well, they're behind it. Like 100% they're behind it.

Yeah. Well, yeah, especially when they do that meeting and everyone is like on the same page of, well, our kids are dead, whatever. It's been like five days. It was a month. It was a month. But yeah, it was like, all right, that's a couple months, I think, actually. Yeah, no, it was one month, I think. Yeah, I think I think they had said the government called off the search 30 days ago.

Which, I don't know, either way. It's been one month and the government cut off the search. It was just Ares' mom who was just like, hey, hey, we shouldn't stop looking for them. What are we going to do? Yeah, I agree that that's how most parents would be. The not fucked up parents would be.

Also very realistic that they'd just be dead though, right? Like, let's be real here, right? One of them's a super genius, to be fair, and the other one's like a survival god in decathlete, like the strongest athlete on the planet or some shit like that.

Cool. Athletes don't matter in space. If you're just if they just didn't put their helmets on, they all were dead. Right. Like, you know, they also needed the like they needed the ship there, too, which was a stroke of luck. So. Right. Which I guess that does that also open up the door for for conversation around like plot.

and things like that, which this show is full of them. There's no doubt about that. I think like from a, even from a liking the show perspective, they get very lucky many, many times. But isn't that kind of like what always happens to you? It was pretty lucky that they just happened to have planets within range to do a perfect hop, skip and jump on supplies the every single time. Yeah. Like I know. And you are right. That is what happens in shows. But like, okay, let's think of it.

From the perspective of another show, that's a long journey of somebody being far away from home, right? Let's think about Vinland Saga, something that all of us have seen. This is like the equivalent of Vinland Saga if Thorfinn got lost and then there was like a boat just waiting there for him that was more or less self-driving or self-piloting. And then he also just happened to like...

go upon that, like come upon the four villages that would welcome him and give him food to go along his journey to get there. And also, uh, there was somebody on the boat who like Oskalot was on the boat with him the entire time and was going to kill him. But then because of, uh, the, the Vinland saga being the friends we made along the way, he decides not to. Yeah. The power of friendship, baby. I don't know. I saw it as like,

part of the message of the show is that like, you know, alone, you're, you're only able to do so much, but as a group, uh,

as a society we can do so much together you know i thought that i don't dislike uh the traitor not or joining them by the way i was defending that i just want to clarify but it is very convenient at the same time oh no well everything's convenient the convenient they've got a a doctor the convenient they've got a photographic memory girl convenient that they've got a i don't know like literally every role you could possibly need and then also a singer to make these kids smart is the thing because they're working on the memory

Uh, shit. They could have made these kids dumb as rocks, and that would have been way easier to kill them. But instead, they wanted to make them all geniuses and shit, because they were like, I can't bear to inhabit the body of a pleb!

Like, come on, man. It sounds like something a rich dumb person would do. I don't know. You know, is the thing. Yeah. So memory transfer technology really quick. We're all talking from a point of like complete knowledge and we're sort of flowing in and out of our plot twist here. Sorry. No, it's okay. So much. I understand. I completely get it. So I think one thing,

Let's establish ourselves a little bit before we get into these twists. Talk about characters and everything, the general plot. And then, because I think our more contentious points, the points where we're going to get a little more back and forthy like that, which is always good for content, are going to be these plot holes and twists and yada yada. And we should ground our audience. So yeah.

I guess the first thing that I thought we could talk about was the just like the general cast and what we like thought of them. And do we like them? I know Pete had mentioned this being sort of a little classroom of the elite. Same same studio where these people are both geniuses and kind of dumb people.

at the same time you know did you find that endearing did you have issues with that which of these characters did you like what relationships did you like i actually think this is a pretty good cast all things considered so pete why don't you start us off yeah i would say for like the core i would say this is a i would say it's decent uh there were definitely some characters that i had like no like if they died i'd be i'd feel nothing but

The singer girl? Yeah. The singer girl. I'm just going to call him Ogre because I think it's funnier because that's how they call them in the dub. Like, Zack, I think he was too his character. Like, the fact that he could never break...

that specific character even in moments with how do you pronounce his fiance's name or his wife's name um even like moments with her he's just like i am a robot i am going to say the lines yes key tree i love you like stuff like that where it's like i thought that was really funny it's like he he never deviated from that which i guess is like his character so it makes sense but like from like an overall cast i would say it's

I thought it was like, okay, it's better than Classroom of the Elite. I'll say that much. It's the exact, it is like Classroom of the Elite where they are all elite at something. But I would say in the grand scheme of things, they're all kind of dumb. But it makes sense they're high schoolers, so it's like, it's fine. But...

Yeah, it definitely did give me the classroom elite tropes where I was like, I fucking hate this. And for these kids, they were also specifically groomed by their originals to be like specific. Yeah. So it makes sense that they would have lack in other areas. Yeah, 100%. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Do you have thoughts on the characters, the cast, anything you like, disliked, etc.? Yeah. So for me personally, like when it comes to the characters, my favorites were Kanata and Ares and Thundara.

on a French note Luca, everybody else could go kick rocks. Like, that's how I felt. Because, like, to be fair, like, Kitri, her whole thing was just narrating on the drama. And it's like, I compare, like, I compare the character, the character interactions to kind of, like...

kind of like a five in one product. Like one singular product is meant to do that one singular thing and can do that one singular thing very well in that specific instance. But when you have all of these different products that are meshed into one, every singular product that is put together gets worse as a result.

This show feels like it tries to be a bit of Shonen with Kanata. It feels like it's trying to be a high school drama with Kitori and Ares. And I thought there was a little bit of that stuff going on with Yunhua. Then it was trying to be a bit of a mystery, but that's the actual thing. But like...

The characters just kind of felt all over the place. And then they just kind of fell to the background when they didn't need to, when they didn't need to be in the front. But that felt like it was kind of separating the cast out rather than making it feel like they're friends. You know what I mean? Like it felt almost like,

It felt like just circumstance that, oh, yeah, we're going to have Kanata and Ares together. And then we're going to have Ares and Chars together. And just like, also Chars is just a bad name. One letter off from the goat. Yeah, that one letter makes him leagues worse. Oh, what do you have against the letter S?

It's CE, actually. I have terrible news for everyone in this conversation. Alright, I agree with Kat. Never mind. You're entirely valid.

oh and I was talking about Chars not Char anyway yeah that was that was the joke guys what do we think about when Char killed his surprise twin let's talk about a better show yeah guys was it cool whenever Char was in the show and he killed the other person in the other Ostro because it was a survival situation Pat what do you in particular think about that yeah

You do what you got to do. Um, Kat, I, I would respond to you by saying, I actually thought the relationships were pretty natural. I thought they were awkward at first, except for the people who knew each other. Um, it started a bit clicky. And then as they went through this together, you know, they got to know each other and, you know, open up with each other a bit more. Uh,

and I really liked that. Also, I loved key tree. I thought she was great, but I also just love drama in general. And so like, I don't know. I just don't get a lot of characters in anime that are like, like, Oh, like you got to ask this person out. I'm, you know, how do you do that? And like setting things up and like, you don't get a lot of shit stirs. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And, and like, as one for myself, um,

I, you know, I really appreciate it. And I also liked how the relationships actually progressed. Like while they were like, people got together during the show, people learned like romantic things and all of that, like during this, which is as far as an anime goes, especially like something like this, going the extra mile is it's truly unprecedented. Jay, you had some thoughts.

Yeah, about the relationships between the characters, I think that they developed... I think that while my criticism of the show not being sci-fi enough or suspenseful enough is a thing, I think that it's... Just based on how the characters interact with each other from the get-go, you can tell...

It is, in fact, meant to be more of a character-focused show than the overall plot. The way that the characters interact with each other, the way that they grow together and their relationships develop, that's meant to be the actual meat of the series. The space in the Astra is literally and metaphorically just a vehicle for these relationships to develop and for us to see the conclusions of them.

That doesn't necessarily make me like the show more, but I think that that's a pretty good way to look at it when it comes to discussions, I suppose. Yeah, I definitely would agree with that. Pat, you want to go? No, no. I was going to bounce that off, too. But like, yeah, I think that the vehicle works, though, because like, again, they they encounter they encounter. Well, first, they don't all trust each other because they think there's this amateur or

which helps the dynamic of the group being formed, I think. It makes it unique, it makes it different. So I can see where people were coming from with the, oh, it's Among Us, the anime idea, but I think it probably helped me that I saw so many of you before I started watching see you guys say, it's not Among Us at all, to separate myself from that expectation going in. But I thought, like what you said, Miles, I thought the relationships between the characters all started developing pretty naturally, naturally.

I thought it was really cool how they tied the whole group together progressively, and then they kept having those setbacks, right? Like the suspicions of sabotage. They have when Ugar, or Ugar, whatever, how the frick his voice sounded, and it was so goofy. They had him come out and be like, yeah, I'm going to kill this guy because his dad or whatever. And then they still end up trusting him after the fact because they...

realize that you know what he's just misguided he's not actually a murderous or he's not a psychopath whatever you'd want to say i guess you could still argue that but like maybe that's how they perceived him and and then we even even with uh what's his name uh charce the uh yeah fake char his initial trap that he got that he fell into revealing that he was the

the killer, the imposter, so to speak. Like, I thought that that was really interesting too, how they welcomed right back into, like, I didn't expect it necessarily. I guess maybe I did from this show by that point, but like you wouldn't expect it going into a show like this, that, that they would all stick together, that they would all survive and, and that they would all end up working together. I guess we kind of hinted at this in the very beginning, but the,

Oh my God, how funny was that Russian person's fucking voice actress? Oh my God. That shit was...

so funny when they introduced her and her first few lines. I was like, no, no way we're doing this in this show right now. Like, so she also just vanishes for like long periods of time in the final few episodes. Like when they meet as a group, they just seem to like forget she exists until she comes on screen and talks like that. I don't know. Kat, you had something about the the accent of Olgar specifically, I guess. Yeah. So the thing about Olgar's voice is that we realize that it's a Bronx voice.

But I realized how you can recreate it. So first of all, try and make a country accent. With that country accent, try and make the worst Bronx accent that you've ever done. Should we call Haz up? You should have seen Miles' face when you said try and make a country accent. His eyes literally widened so large. Like... Like...

Like, for Miles specifically, we're talking about, like, a Hyde County accent. Like, we're talking, like, backwoods of breakneck no-fucking-where. And then going into a Bronx accent. I think he sounds like the Game Over Man guy, kinda. Like, I wonder if that's what they were going for. Game Over Man!

from alien didn't they have the like survival tip where it's like survival tip number whatever if you lose confidence it's game over man like that actually made me laugh for pat um the guy who plays olgar is in smite

Which character does he voice? Somebody named Swagney? Is that a real name? He voices Swagney? No. Oh my god. This is so funny that this comes up now. So Swagney is a skin and smite for the Hindu god Agni. It's literally Agni, but he's a pimp. And it's fucking hilarious. Some of the voice lines are fucking hilarious. Like,

funnily enough in the smite community they announced that specifically this skin wasn't being ported to smite 2 even though it's a fan favorite or whatever because they thought it was kind of like eh you know they were like oh it's kind of weird whatever

Someone very specifically came out a few days ago on Twitter and was like, oh, it's a good thing they're not porting this over. This skin always felt kind of weird and oddly kind of racist, blah, blah, blah. And every single major Black person in the Smite community came forward and was like,

Why the fuck is a white person telling me that my favorite skin is racist? Like, it had nothing to do with race until he brought it. Like, it was a whole conundrum of things. Like, this person essentially got canceled for saying something like that. So it's really funny that specifically someone voiced the skin the week that we're talking about this show. Like, what a weird coincidence there. Full circle, baby. Yeah, full circle. Life is...

The universe is not that big, right? Unless you're in astralos in space and that's 5,000 light years away. It's very small. They got there extremely easily. I will...

I will also say that the thing about Algar that actually grinds my gears the most is that Algar didn't have to be from the Bronx. The dude's last name is German. He could have been German. He looks German. You could have found somebody to make a German accent and you made him from the Bronx. Now, the whole thing where, you know, some of the Germans migrated over to America, yeah, that makes sense. But also, like...

Dude. I didn't mind it specifically, though. Obviously, it was a little deeper for a voice. Dude, his 10-year-old self had sounded like he smacked two packs a day. Okay. Whatever, man. Can I ask a question about Ugar? Yeah. Was that cop at the end his brother? Because he had the same picture of them in his phone for some reason, but they just never brought it up.

I didn't even notice that. His brother's dead, right? He was saying that the whole time, but the cop was looking at his phone and he had his background was Olgar and his older brother. Well, maybe it was that old photo and then the cop finally. Well, yeah, because the cop was. Is there more anime or manga to this rather than the anime covers maybe? I don't know. Season two that could have happened. There's only 49 chapters. Seems pretty short.

The way I took it was that it was the cop that wanted to try to solve the issue that happened with his first brother or his oldest brother. Maybe it was his gay lover.

I think that makes the most sense. Well, they were just... I love that show. That show's so fun. Glad all you guys finally watched it. Would have been a great Watch Club show to talk about, but I guess no one likes the shows that I dominate, so that's fine. Oh my god, bro. You did it for Shark Tank. That's more or less the same thing. It really is. I'm glad it finally bit for some people, I guess. No, I'm just playing.

What was I saying? Oh, yeah. Like, Olga's voice, though. Like, it really... Like, it...

Is it not the same thing as like in the four kids dub of Yu-Gi-Oh, Joey Wheeler sounding like he's from Brooklyn, Brooklyn raid, you know, like that's because Joey Wheeler canonically is from Brooklyn. Yeah. And these, this guy is just some random kid from this amalgamation of every single country ever in the, in the old world. It put into the new world. I don't know. Like I, I didn't find it like,

I pick deep voices sometimes. It was silly, but like a lot of times they have like for different Japanese accents or dialects. There are like

like a country accent often on a dub often coincides with a Japanese dialect. What's that dialect? The one, the one everyone knows. So like, that'll often be someone with like a, like a Southern accent sort of thing. And then there's, there's one, like some sort of like metropolitan they'll do like the Cali accent.

accent for it they don't always match up but they like kind of do i don't know what brooklyn is um i'm walking here yes side talk anytime you watch a side talk video yeah it's very similar in terms of in terms yeah i do i do actually know what brooklyn is i'm a big lot of tell ray that's because joey joey is meant to speak without honorific honorifics and he sounds informal and rude like oh yeah so work

that could be how what's ogre who's you know talks because he's like i'm all brash as i'm from the streets and i'm not talking with honorifics and uh you know like that's i need to get to the bottom of this i'm gonna retire in one day i'll be a journalist i don't know if i told you yeah i'm gonna like like journalist is like the world's highest calling the way he talks about it that pete i was laughing so hard he was like if you want i can help you out i don't know if i mentioned but i'm a beauty

Yo, Jay, did you notice that he said that he was going to be a journalist in this show? No, I missed. Oh, dude, you should. Oh, man. You telling me that helped me out a lot. Wait, what's he going to be? He's going to be a journalist. Oh, shit. You guys just don't like him because he looks like Kirito and acts like Kirito. That's what it is. Honestly, Sarazama did not help him because the gun-wielding beanie wear was much. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's insane shit. That's.

Do we want to shift to a Sarazanmai watch club? I'm all in favor. One vote needed. I vote in favor. Yay. I scored them the same, so I'm a different. I scored Sarazanmai higher. I scored Sarazanmai higher too. I would love to have a discussion, Pat, on why Sarazanmai is more complicated than Yurikuma Arashi because there is more than one type of animal to worry about and plates and boxes are more or less the same metaphor.

um anyways that's my first one sorry i think it was easier to digest i wouldn't say it was more i i don't remember saying it was more complicated i think maybe i was taking the piss when we were having that conversation but yeah i i'm just i'm not trying to digest because it gets all up in your guts if you watch the show you'll know what i'm talking about it certainly does uh

Oh my goodness. Okay, let's, sorry, we have gone off rails and it has been fun. Much like the show occasionally gets off of rails. Another thing that I wanted to talk about before we sort of get to the meat and potatoes of this entire show. We're 40 minutes in, we should probably get to the meat and potatoes.

We're fine. We'll tackle this like really quick. I just wanted to like get a quick thought on like how people liked like the planet hopping aspect. Like, did the worlds feel distinct enough to you? Did they feel too samey? I can honestly see it going either way. Pete, you're gonna start us off because I remember you saying something that vaguely relates to this. You praise the sort of monster of the week aspect of this. And in many ways, it's like survival, like,

on planet of the week. Right. So hit us with your thoughts on the menagerie of planets. Yeah. It's, it's more along the lines of like, I'm not looking for like this super deep ecosystem. The fact that they like just,

apollo 11 day food machine thing to be like yummy or not yummy it's just like that was the most ridiculous thing yeah it's like at that point i knew it's just like it's not going to be an issue well like that was where the convenience is truly yeah that was just like he's just like yeah i went to the bathroom but i made this it's like oh sick dude that thing is like incredible like

literally like a life-changing device for humanity it's like yeah i just you know i whipped it up at the back it's whatever no big deal but uh you know just going to like i knew like each plant was gonna have like problem or whatever and it did that and then really wasn't like super high stakes and yeah i mean i think the key word that people have been using and i think it fits perfectly is it's just campy it's just like fine and fun like

I don't need this brilliance, like thought out,

i don't know what's the game where you no man's sky is that where you like go from like world the world or whatever i i literally told simone because she was talking about how much she liked the plan hopping i was like you gotta play no man yeah it's just like it's like yeah they're playing no man's sky it's like it's fine it's like this one has trees this one has you can fungus that are trees you can live within the equator otherwise you either burn to death or freeze to death it's like okay cool like that's it's simple but it gets to the point and it's like it's fine so

I liked it. I think it was a cool part of like adding to another mystery just outside of who is who's the suspicious one that they have to deal with these environmental factors. So yeah, I liked it.

I liked it too, especially because, and now I just thought of this. So here's something that explains a plot contrivance or whatever. It makes sense that they have this like mapped out idea of planets to get there because for the first spaceship to have discovered the new, the new planet, the one that they're trying to get back to, but for their eyes getting back to earth, so to speak, they would have had to planet hopped when that same ship all the way to this one in the first place would

To like discover the new planet or whatever. So it makes sense that they're able to, in theory, make it from planet to planet and have a mapped out way to way to get there. I don't know if what I said just made sense, but in my head it did. So that's all that matters, right? Well, it's like it's like interstellar, you know, like they are one of the interstellar. I was I was thinking that that like.

Obviously, it's not as good or scientifically based in real science, like what Pete said. That thing, once that device came out, I was just kind of like, oh my god, this shows. Like, all right, cool. The science in this is not real. Let's have fun with it. By the way, they didn't discover Astra in that way. They just found Astra. The scientists just found it with like a telescope or something.

Because it's 5,000 light years away from Earth. They wouldn't have been able to discover it and then come back without just using wormholes to begin with. But that's how the ships got. That's what the purpose of those ships were. That's why the Russian lady was out there trying to discover a new planet. With her crew, they were trying to discover new planets. That's how they initially were doing it, I thought. They did mention that the ships drive faster than light speed, too.

Yes, that's how many light years that, yeah, they travel faster than... That's what they go into, like, hyperspace, essentially, like in Star Wars. Ludicrous speed. I thought the different biomes were fun. I liked, like you said, P, I think that was a really good way to put it, like Monster Planet of the Week. Really funny that there was just a random beach episode. Like...

That was a very 2010s anime of it to like, just have a bay. Oh, everyone goes to the beach episode, you know, like slice of lifey. But I thought that the, the different obstacles they faced were cool too. Cause they, again, had to use their different skill sets to survive in those different situations. Like the singing one was really stupid, but Hey, whatever. She's saying them to help talk about her for a second. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Cause I thought she was going to be the traitor.

I didn't. Oh, interesting. I could see that. I thought she might be with the, I didn't really know who I thought was the front runner, but I could see her being like the, yeah, like just the dark. She doesn't say anything. She's the traitor. It wasn't going to be, there was a 0% chance. It was ever all girl. Once he had the gun.

Yeah. Yes. Had the gun the first time. I was like, well, he's not it. But I also, I thought it was a 0% chance. It was singing girl too. I thought he was being so sad. Well, so because they were showing her be sad, it was never going to be here because they were like, she's distant and not a part of the group. Yeah, I guess. But whenever her mom was like, you can't do like her mom show up in her head and was like, you can't even do anything. Right. I thought that was about her failing to kill. Okay.

And that was her doing that to herself for that. But after that, like, I think that once...

It became clear she wasn't doing shit at all in the plot after she sings her song. She does not do anything. She is the one character who I know she's meant to be a shy character and everything, but the whole point is that she cuts her hair or whatever and becomes open and likes everybody and is part of the family. She should be talking and doing more stuff. In reality, what kind of got shown is that like,

And I'm not trying to be like her mom here, but she really did not contribute basically anything to what was going on. I will say all she did was she's a singer. She smiled and had big tits and could sing. That's all she did in the show. Them thangs were taking up a lot of the food. Yeah, they were. Yeah.

Like, come on, man. Like, and then they can't. And she also links into like the fan service that was oddly pervasive at the beginning of the show and then disappears like halfway through. Pete's theory becomes truer every day. But usually with, okay, but with Pete's theory, usually it's like the first three episodes where it stopped. This was like the first six. Yeah. Yeah.

I wonder if they just ran out of budget. This was a Taisho Manga award winner. It was. It's not like it was going in with... Usually, that's for manga that don't have hype or anime that don't have any hype behind them. I don't know. It just felt kind of weird to me, is all, I guess.

Yeah, and I just didn't like Jung Hwa. I wanted more for her because I thought she was a pretty interesting character at the beginning, and then she just literally becomes part of the background. She made the mistake of having her arc finished in, like, episode three, and they just never got around to it again. Yeah. Kat, you had something else about the planet hopping. Sorry to link our ways back. No, no, no. Conversation flows naturally. Like, Wata. So the thing about...

I'm sorry, Kat. No. It flows so naturally that we can't even do a transition right because of me. So then... Alright, Kat. So think about Yuha's giant manga... Yes. Yes.

God. So the thing about the planning hopping was, I think, one of the better things that the show did, because it was, I think it made the different planets interesting enough and very different.

And the types of in the type of food chains that they had, I thought I didn't think it was like super well thought out, but I thought it was really interesting, especially the mushroom one being that the being that the mushrooms were fairly worthy, like the the.

major like not the majority but the top of the food chain uh when it came to it yeah the apex predator and they were uh and they were almost kind of they were not almost they were definitely like torturous i thought that was very interesting and fun but yeah i feel like that was probably the thing that i enjoyed the most about the show personally yeah the different food chains and the different biomes and things that they i thought they did a

Uh, you know, they weren't able to just store a bunch of food on one planet and go with it. I thought that that was pretty cool. I really liked that. Yep. Go ahead, Kat. Sorry. I will say one of my grievances is with that paradise episode, the one that is literally labeled paradise, um, where they're on that Island that has all the food, um,

Why is there food? They... Like, I don't think they found any... Did they find wildlife? Yeah, there's birds. I mean, they found fruit. Oh. They hunt birds, and they hunt fish. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so the fish I can understand, the birds... We live in trees. Yeah. That's fair. Okay, that grievance is fine. Alright. I think that the thing about, like, that is, is that, like, even if there weren't, uh, animals or whatever, like...

priests still need a way to drop their seeds or what have you yeah i guess it wouldn't be fruit exactly it would probably just be nuts and instead but it's not like they really gave a about uh physics why would they care about biology it's true was the when they were in zero gravity and the singer girl starts choking to death

is that what would actually happen that's pretty cool if it is yeah yes oh that's sick oh like and like couldn't she in theory just like move her head back and then it would just stay there and it would come out like either way i just thought that that's i thought that that scene was really cool how it like was like oh my god this is like actual zero gravity physics to some degree here to her um to her saliva in her mouth

Well, then wouldn't she be able to spit it out, though? Yeah, I mean, it had to be caught like in her throat. I'm guessing. I mean, I don't know. Water droplets in general are dangerous in space, let alone like there was a story in 2013 of a NASA astronaut whose helmet filled with floating water droplets and they almost choked. Makes sense because like breathing in would suck in.

all of the water and then it would go into their lungs. Yeah, that's that makes sense. Oh, God, space is so sick sometimes. I don't know. I'm not normally big into like space travel stories. The one thing they got like accurate. Let's fucking go. Yeah. Hey, hey, hey. I wish there was more of them floating in space scenes because that one at the beginning was. Oh, that was really cool. Dope. Yeah, I think they did a really good job with that, actually.

It reminded me of that movie with George Clooney and... Sandra Bullock, I think. Was it Passenger? No, Gravity? Gravity, yes. Yes, yes. Like, oh, that movie was sick, even though that movie also was like laughably...

Not real, not real, not science, not science, but it was- Dude, we should get Neil deGrasse Tyson to watch "Astral Lost in Space" and- Like Cinebussons did with Interstellar and just have him be like, "This is actually kind of correct!" You know? Like, based on theoretical physics. Of course, yes. You could make a yummy detector on a spaceship. Yes! That was his thing. I've done it before! Yeah, that thing was pretty ridiculous, I agree.

But also, like, it was somewhat based in, like, the idea, the way I took it wasn't that he was just, like,

oh i invented this brand new thing that didn't exist it was more like i used the science that i've learned living in our futuristic society to adapt something which of course again super ridiculous and dumb had that with them and have you would think so like if if it's something that they had the capability of making before somebody probably would have done it especially because like

them going to mikpa which is just an anagram for camp by the way i don't know if you guys ever realized that them going to mikpa was just a uh like it's a yearly thing that they send a bunch of students out to do or whatever right so like i don't know i think that that was just him making they might not need one because of that because they know what players are going to that but it's meant to be for practice though it's probably for going into space like you give it to them so they can larp it

but also the ship that they ended up on was from a hundred years in the past which is why it didn't have that technology on it wasn't no it wasn't the same shift that they started oh yeah i thought you were talking about the one that they found but yeah it's the thing they they made a point to grab as much luggage as they could i don't know i would i think that it was a new thing it's it's obviously not super important but no i i just i took it as like oh he made it

from the stuff that was left over on the ship that maybe the technology wasn't unified into this i know it was it was very ridiculous no matter what argument you make but again so it was like most of the space wormholes pretty ridiculous right like or controlling them in the way that they do spacesuits the way that they have them still not even close to being accurate okay i want to clear like ridiculous though that you can kind of say they do that shit yeah i'd

I guess I would like to, let's get into the things that happen in this show that make it terrible, objectively.

So it is not the existence of this technology, at least for me. It's not wormholes existing. That's every other sci-fi show, movie, whatever. It's very useful if you want to get your characters from one place to another. And they're like kind of plausible or whatever. I don't know. To me, it's stuff like... Has anyone seen the movie Prometheus? The alien? Yeah, the alien series. Yeah, I hate that movie. It's awful. And...

And part of the reason I hate it, and in fact, a very large part of the reason I hate it, is that their PhD xenobiologist takes his fucking helmet off. And they did the same thing, and it got them screwed. And they never learned their lesson. And I get the animators don't want to draw stuff, but you don't know what the biome is like here. You don't know anything. Like,

Just because it has like breathable amounts of oxygen doesn't mean you won't die from some viral infection 10 seconds later. Also, let alone what are you introducing to the ecosystem? You psychopaths like paradise? Not anymore. Yeah. I suggest the counterpoint to both of those things. Sure.

The ship could have sensors that tell them what they're, what the, whatever you want to call it. I agree too, by the way, that it's stupid of them to take things off. My counter argument to that would be their kids. They're dumb. They're stupid. And I also think that your answer is more likely that they didn't want to animate them with the helmets and suits on the whole time. But like to like, wouldn't the ship that's meant to discover new biomes, meant to discover new planets, have something that I could say, Hey, this is very similar to earth's, you

you know, breathable atmosphere. It's safe to breathe. A hundred percent. That is not my concern. My concern is about the biology, right? Like what happened when you're like same planet, right? Europeans moving one continent over, right? Both continents had massive epidemics, right? With like a syphilis breakout in Europe and a smallpox breakout in the Americas, right?

It's like War of the Worlds. That's a classic one too, right? Aliens invade Earth and then they're allergic to water or whatever. By syphilis, you mean the English disease, right? Yeah, yes. Okay, cool. Prince Henry the whatever. King Henry the whatever. Ape.

Yeah, that makes sense. That tracks. So it's like, you know, he has a thing to show if things are like edible or not. That is that is great for again. We've admitted that's a plot contrivance, whatever. But it's stuff like the spores that almost kill them are sort of what I'm talking about, where you have like a virus or a fungus or bacterium or whatever that are.

native to that planet that you have no ecosystem or you have like no immune system or whatever against. And then conversely,

You are introducing an infinity amount of different types of microbes and everything by being in that planet and not being in a sterile environment. Now, a large part of my job is carrying about a bacterial infection. So like, or like cross-contamination, all that. So maybe I'm just, oh my God, where your PPE gown up? What are you doing? We totally will have to throw this away. We're wasting all of this, but like,

That was like, and it wasn't so much the first time they did it in so far as like they didn't continue to do it. They continued to not put their helmets on and stuff. But that was like a minor detail. But I just want to make abundantly clear the fact that these technology, the magical technology things exist is not at all my issue with the show. It is.

how people interact with things and especially the explanation of like where that missing time went and stuff, because that makes no sense. But we can continue if anyone has that. That's probably a good thing to go on, right? Is the idea that every single person in an entire generation of the planet would agree to just lie like that? Is that, is that what you're getting? Moon level was fake. That's ridiculous.

worse than saying the moon landing was faked because of the number of people that would have to be in on that and just agree to well just conspiracy yeah at least one kid who was like you know like that would have been great for augur have him say like he had the my older brother always said adults lied about stuff

have him have gone into some amount of detail about that have it be like some like repressed memory he has that his brother told him and then regretted and was like shaking him and like saying like forget that i fucking told you this because they're going to kill you if i told you or something like that yeah really really quick though before because i think we're going to talk about this for a minute and we're getting kind of late but pete you said you had fun with a lot of this stuff

So if it's okay, I would like to hear Pete talk about this and then us get into our larger. It's not okay. Okay. I was about to say it's not okay. Okay. Fuck. Sorry, Pete. Continue. I'll see you guys next week. Peace. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. But like, what would you actually, what did you like other than probably the stuff we've already brought up a tiny bit, at least like what was some of the stuff that you really liked in the show or thought was fun or whatever?

actually like okay so like i i agree with like the the plot twist i don't think that they were like anything crazy but i like i know how you guys are breaking down like the ending with like removal of data from all of the other pre-existing earth shit that we had that we transferred over here and all itself i thought it was just cool and fascinating that like that's the approach that they went with because like

I could, like, obviously I'm just picturing in my head, but, like, if that was ever the case, like, I could see, like, war breaking out within the, like, with the last couple years left of Earth. And, like, how they explained, like, the...

the cuban missile crisis in one timeline versus oh i guess it's the same timeline but like how it was sort of like taught on two different generations i just thought like that concept was like really fun like i didn't i didn't dig into whether it was like logical or anything it's just like i like the it was more like the approach that they went with to me made sense it was like it's like

What is it? Like, the execution wasn't there, but, like, what they were going for, I think, on paper, sounds really cool. And, like, I had a lot of fun with, like, them figuring it out at the same time. I thought, like, that, like, deduction of reasoning between both people. Because I was thinking it was, like... Because you know how she was, like, 112 years in there? I thought she was, like, 2,000-something years. I thought, like... That would have made way more sense. Because, like, yeah, I felt like it was...

had astra 2000 whatever and they started year zero there when they transferred from earth like i thought that would make more sense in the timeline they said ce and i was like they're gonna say like ce was like 2000 years ago when they swapped over or something like that would have made i agree with you wholeheartedly that would have made so much more sense i would say that it's probably because ad is after death after the death of jesus christ that i know dominium

or oh well whatever of our lord they also i guess they don't know who they did say they don't know who god is so that's probably why they would yeah you can have the id without knowing who god is yeah and it was also really cool though i thought i like that i said it was based uh it was a really cool my kids it was a really cool cool idea that like like what he was saying i agree like

It's dumb. It's a crazy thing to try to like set up and pretend happened because just the deletion or removal of religion alone from history would not have gone over well with an entire generation of people, right? Never happened. It would have never happened. Everyone to agree to stop

and also observing history and everything and the old world and whatever it's completely impossible but they went with it and I thought that that was kind of fun as absurd as it was and I agree that that is a huge huge plot hole and it's stupid but I thought the fact that they but the way that they came across and pieced together that whole sequence where they were just

to each other and like piecing it together from their two different perspectives, I thought was really cool. The reveal that Astra was their planet, not Earth was pretty cool. You know, like like it explained a lot of things. I like that. I think that was great, but it doesn't tie together because none of it makes any sense after that fact. The how we got here doesn't make any sense. Well, I guess, though, that's the point of them was like not one of them said it's like it's the name of our planet.

it when they right like if you came across a spaceship and it was called earth you damn sure be like that's weird the spaceship is called earth or if you named it earth you'd be like weird you're calling the spaceship okay but but like the way that that ties into what the show was trying to say though i think and what they tried to set up that oh if we deleted religion we deleted this blah blah blah

That's a very common argument, right? For a lot of people that believe in the unification of Earth or like the people, whatever, rather than have it like the nations were deleted or, you know, unified. Religion was removed. Other languages were removed. That's usually described as in like a utopian setting, right? Like that's usually something. And the whole point of this show or that being part of the show and then the ending of the show or the final arc, whatever you want to say, was that.

It's not, even though you may be viewed as a perfect society, it's not a perfect society. And that was like the point that they were trying to make. Can you, what, sorry? Can I cook for a second? Yeah. Paulina is going to lead to the end of Astra as a planet because she is going to go back. She's religious. She's Russian. Russians are a pretty religious people. She's probably Orthodox. She's going to go back. She's a history teacher. She's going to start mixing in, uh,

religious history with regular history and she she is a she can define literally all of earth's history which is the origin of these people like it wouldn't surprise me if paulino became like a cult leader or something when she got back even inadvertently through her knowledge of they they show her

They show her become a university professor. And like the whole point is when they get that, I get that. But you tell me you've never seen a university professor that's in on some fuck shit. No, no, of course. And I'm not saying that. No, but I guess my point is like they do show that the whole point is that they get back and they're like, hey, we can't keep this lie up anymore. We're going to bring back the history of the old planet or like they had most of it.

Well, they have it saved like behind the walls. You know what's going to happen? Some people, the people who are in charge are going to be like, damn, the history of the little plant, huh? What's this? This Paulina, what's this thing you're describing by your old country? How do you pronounce it? Oligarchy? That sounds pretty cool. Would you like to join us as an oligarch, Paulina? And we'll just, you can give, tell the alternate history that we want you to do. And she'll be like, dos vidania. And then...

It's over. It's literally over. She's Paulina Putin. But that's, I think that that was the, the point of the show is that the characters had figured out that the, the perfect world that they were living in once it wasn't perfect. And that the solution, the solution is to do the best. Honestly,

But they're all in on knowing that the world can't just live in this utopian, not knowing what's going on, blind to the reality world. So the whole point is that they're spreading the words. Choice, actually, low-key.

I don't know. So you told me on it, Pat. No, I mean, I mean, you're kind of right. Like genuinely from the perspective of the, the current planet. Yeah. Killing them was the right, would be the right choice. Even in that moment, this is where you go into the ones who look away. Oh, I can, I can talk. Have you read that? Yeah. Okay. I'll talk about that maybe at the end, but for me, it was more like, you know, that Dr. Evil scene where he's like frozen for a bit and he just like, doesn't know what currency is worth.

anymore so he's like 10 million dollars and they're like that's still not enough like 1 million wasn't enough and like 10 million isn't enough they're all like you gotta say a bigger number that's what the author of this did they were because it was like oh my god it's been 20 years since we changed planets it would be impossible to cover that up it's been a hundred years this is like

A very short amount of time. There's still people alive. There's like, you know, I don't know. It's like anyone who they even say at the end, a lot of people had caught on to how none of this made any sense because of course you would, you would, if you ever looked at a photo of the sky from 1970 or whatever, you'd be like, why do these constellations not exist? Like,

I have something with this. I have something with this. Okay. Because, so, like, in, like, their world, at least in how it's perceived through our lens or whatever, like, Astra is, like, you know that meme where it's just, like, what the world would be like if Elon did it on Twitter or something like that? It's like that. So, like, if you're living in a society where it's, like, it seems like a euphoria or a utopia, whatever. A euphoric utopia. Yes, exactly. Yeah.

Like, would you question something that would possibly disrupt what you're having? Because I think that was kind of cool where it's like,

You know, I might let some things go if I have universal healthcare or something. This is perfect for my tie-in to Ursula K. Leguin's The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas, which is an award-winning short story from the 70s. Ursula is amazing. So in this, there is a utopian society where everything is good. And then halfway through that...

she chimes in as the author is basically like, you don't believe me. Like you don't, you can't buy the fact that there's a utopia. You think there has to be a cost. Okay. I'll give you a cost. And so she,

on their 10th birthday or fucking whatever, everyone who lives in Omalas, which Jay, the reason I was saying that the backwards name was maybe a reference is because one, the themes of these two stories are very similar as Pat was pointing out. And then two, that's just Salem, Oregon backwards. She was just driving and saw like,

Salem, Oregon, and then, oh, my loss. And was like, that's the name of the town. Anyways, so during coming of age birthday, they have to go and they have to see this pit. And in this pit, there is like one child who is barely kept alive and lives in squalor and filth. And like,

just an awful conditions and this is to remind them of how good they have it and it is like essential to their utopia if this were to go away um then the utopia would fall and so like is it worth it to have this one person who is like a sacrifice against their will yada yada yada the some people see it and just leave society no one knows what happens to them and it

It genuinely reminded me of this a lot in the same way that they're like, is it worth having this utopia to have these things covered up? You know, and that's like the question these kids are asking. And, you know, I do think that's an interesting question. I like the general idea of it. And it sounds like Pat and Pete were just like, fuck it. There are issues with this, but who cares? It is a cool idea to me. It's just like anyone, uh,

who spent five minutes reading a book would accidentally figure this out. And like, cause like the moon isn't there. There's no moon. How would they describe, how would they do that? How would that happen? They don't bring all, they say in the show that all of the stuff from the old world that isn't from the new society and the new planet that they're on is behind the walls of the king. The king is the only one who like, uh,

knows and has access to that archive of all that stuff. No one kept a photo. I agree. It's dumb. Once you accept that, that's cool. People have fled from the country from behind the walls and shit like that. Again, I

I just think that that was like a, it's, it's really stupid. It's a stupid plot point, but like the way they tried to justify it was cool enough that I was like, Oh, that's cool. Like the, the a hundred years being written out of history and are in history, like with the world, the third world war and like the, this, and I thought that that was like a cool, clever connection that they made there. And I agree. It's, it's ridiculous and hard to believe, but like, again, like what,

Pete was saying like in a utopian world, why would you question where your food came and comes from if you don't know where

What is suffering to create that food? You wouldn't know. Curiosity. There's some people who just don't care, though. I'm not saying everyone ever would immediately figure this out. I just mean people would. It would happen. And I guess before we get to our... Our final thoughts. My last issue with this is just light these fucking clones on fire. Open up a wormhole and throw the charred corpses through it.

The end. Okay. It really took the most difficult way of raising these clones. Like, why didn't you just stick them in a vat? Yeah, without a brain or whatever. Like a normal evil scientist. Who knows?

Maybe the pseudoscience is that their brains had to be developed in a way that their memories would be able to fit into that brain and exist in that brain. And why maybe that's what you're carrying too much water for this. I'm just trying to justify why, like the pseudoscience makes sense. And like, like, I think it makes, I think like, again, most of the pseudoscience is absurd in the sense that it's not based in our, in our reality, but in the world that they establish, um,

It's real enough, it seems like to me. Okay, I agree with the premise of what you're saying, but the issue with that is that pseudoscience, it's still pseudoscience. There's nothing, like this is, and it's not a knock against it necessarily, I like a lot of stuff like this, this is more or less like space fantasy.

And again, nothing against that. It's cool. Like the wormhole is maybe the one sci-fi aspect of it, I guess. I don't know. I mean, there's some of the biology stuff is sci-fi. Like it doesn't need to be,

It's fucking, you know, maybe it's soft sci-fi or whatever. And like the cloning stuff is sci-fi. The issue is that I think it's applied a little inconsistently. Some people are having them train for their purpose. I either decathlete and stuff. Some of them are having them not do anything. And they talk about the mentality of that a bit. It's I don't know. I kind of agree with with Pat here. Anyways, that's the show.

Yeah, let's do our closing thoughts and final scores. Miles, what have you got? Yeah, the show is fun. It's not exactly well put together or anything. If you think about it too much, there are certainly issues. But I think the meat and potatoes of this is the cast and the adventures and stuff that they go through. And I think that that is executed very well. So to me, this is like a very fun seven, is what I'm going to give it.

So seven out of 10. All right. Uh, Kat, what about you? So for me, the show does some good things, but I don't think the show is good. Uh, there are some things that I like about the show, but I don't like the show. This show reminds me a lot, uh,

about another show that I watched when it was first coming out in fall 2019 called High School Prodigies Have It Easy Even in Another World. God, that show's ass. It's show is complete ass. I'm not saying that this show is as bad as that show, but like the tropiness of the characters and the interpersonal connections between the characters seems very, very similar. And it...

gives me a sense of dread. Even after, uh, even after like listening or watching the show, excuse me, there were parts of the show and there were episodes that I really enjoyed. Like the episode, like the half, the episode where, you know, Olga pulled the gun on, um, pull the gun on the, on the dude, uh, or person. And you can say, do Luca identifies as male. Okay. Uh, on the dude. And then like, uh,

The episode where Charles got caught and are, I guess, half the episode where Charles got caught and was trying to kill them all like that was that was cool. I kind of liked it. But other than that, like it like honestly, for me, this shows a five out of ten. OK, five out of ten from Kat. Jay, what about you? I'll make it short and sweet.

highlights of this show the relationship between the cast of characters was done really well i liked watching it develop quite a bit in spite of me picking them apart i actually really did like the twist i just think that they could have gone a bit further with a couple of them like the time twist i do genuinely think it should have been a longer period of time polino was asleep for it just seems weird that it's 100 years that's all

And I also think that the environmental design in this was really well done. I think that if you're going to do a show about planet hopping, you need to either make it very realistic and sort of informative or you need to go fully wacky with it like a, you know, no man's sky or something like that. And they obviously did the second one. And I appreciate that.

And the last highlight of the show, probably my favorite moment of the show, whenever I loved the intersex representation with Luca, especially with it leading up to the line of like Algar and like showing Luca and Algar's relationship. And Luca like grabs Algar by the shirt and his cleavage comes out a little bit. And Luca just goes, can we leave them out of this? Yeah.

And he drives it. I thought like that got a very hearty chuckle out of both me and Simone because that's very Simone coded.

Low lights of the show. I think that, again, this whole plot is just a bucket of conveniences. If you're somebody who doesn't care about that sort of thing, good for you. But and I'm happy for you. But personally, it does bother me. I think that the music was legitimately nothing to write home about at all in this show. Like, I couldn't tell you a single scene like what the background music in it sounded like at all.

And like the Opie and Edie also nothing to write home about. I also think that the dub was pretty bad. Like we talked about it earlier, but I don't really take points off for bad dubs because I don't think that it has anything to do with the anime itself. So for me overall, this show is a six out of 10.

right uh pete what about you yeah i had a lot of fun with this show i thought if you went into it sort of the way i went into it thinking that this was a scooby-doo show instead of knives out i think it just it was a much funner ride i hated the dub it legit docked points for me i had more issues getting pulled out of the scene with terrible voice acting compared to ridiculous plot holes

It's just one of those things where I heard something just so out of place. I'm just like, I don't want to be involved in this show anymore. Specifically, Ogre and Yunha. I did not like them. I did not like their characters in general, and I also didn't like their voice actors.

really liked the last episode. I think it was a lot of fun. I just like the conceptual, like what you are thinking of on how to wrap up the story and have like these twists I thought was super fun, unique. I like the idea of like sort of

you know, like the confrontations with earth prior to then them establishing Astra and then sort of post that was like a really fun timeline within that last episode. I just a lot of fun, nothing to write home about, but it was, it was a fun seven, seven. All right. And yeah, I was somewhere in like the 7.5 and it's a range and,

And I like I think how much fun I had with it was drives me up to an eight. So I'm even asked to lost in space in eight. I think everyone else pretty much covered everything that I wanted to highlight my closing thoughts. I agree with Jay that the music was not very notable at all. There was actually like a sound effect that kind of sounded like the Among Us loading in sound. You know, like, like, I don't know, for whatever reason, I kept thinking of that while we were watching.

I like what they were trying to do, and I enjoyed this a lot more than I thought I would going into it. So maybe that's why I'm giving it a higher score. Yeah, so we ended up with a final aggregate score of 6.6 between all of us, which is a whole point and a half below Mal. This is...

An outlier, as we might call it, for sure, compared to our usual. We're usually within like a half to a point on Mal. But yeah, that wraps up Astral Lost in Space. Miles, what are we watching two weeks from now? Okay, in third place, we have a tie between the health. And this is a very close week, by the way.

between the Helsing movie or show or whatever was nominated. I wasn't here. And Kino no Pavi, which I don't know what that is, but it was getting a lot of support. And because I missed that one episode, I was like, why the hell do people want to watch this thing that I've never heard of? And it's just because I missed the episode. In second place, as is tradition, we have High School of the Dead. Another legacy point. Yeah.

getting another legacy point bringing his total up to seven pete you have five dollars on the line can you guess what show won uh undead girl murder farce it is oh maidens of their savage season

That is what we will be watching. I've nominated that probably a dozen times and it like always does kind of mid. I do not know why it got support this time, but I would like to thank everyone who supported it. My favorite Jack off. I'm excited to watch it. Can't wait. Anyway, so that is what we are doing for the next time. And now I hand the show over to Pat. So Pat can ask us what we are nominating this time. Great.

Hi, guys. My name is Pat. I'm here to ask what we are nominating for next time. So just a peek behind

the curtain for all of our listeners we will be nominating two cores not this week but next week so if you want us to talk about a specific two core you should comment it and maybe that'll influence one of us into nominating it because i actually really don't know what i'm going to nominate for the two core at this point at least i don't i assume some of us do i don't probably don't i know what i'm doing

Well, maybe you can influence me and potentially miles into what we might be dominating for our two core next week. So, uh, come join the discord, come comment, uh, do whatever sick plug pack. Thanks, Pat. There we go. Miles. What show are you nominating for this one core episode coming up? He doesn't know. Yes. Um, I, I do.

and did i find out 10 seconds ago i can tell by your webcam yeah but i did i did uh and i'm going to be nominating a show that i've nominated before that did terribly uh but uh i needed to fix something so pete wouldn't make fun of me and he did anyway um i'm going to be nominating dance dance dance oh hell yeah that shows so good yeah

the Mapa performing arts drama. Oh my God. It has one of my favorite antagonists in that show. I'll be sure to vote for it, Pete. I will depend if I haven't seen any of the other shows. Yeah. All right, Kat, what about you? Uh, I was hoping that Helsing one, uh,

I'm actually a little surprised that it didn't. How are you surprised? High School of the Dead has like 47 legacy points. Yeah, but it's High School of the Dead. Yeah, it gets second place every week. This is like one of the things... It lost by half a point last time. It lost by half a point last week, and without legacy points, it would have lost... Well, I guess O'Maden's won by technically two points, including all of its legacy points. Yeah.

but it would have tied. But if O Maidens didn't have legacy points, if it was just like a show that had been numbed, it would have won. It has been a very unlucky show. I also, I want to give a quick shout out to this community member. They know who they are. I don't want to out them. Do it. They, they,

hate high school of the dead uh and so for voting when high school of the dead is there they will list every show regardless of how many were nominating except for high school which they leave off the list that's so funny

As long as we don't do that to my show, that's so funny. What is catnip? Yeah, apparently. I'm nominating Helsing again. Okay. Did you nominate the what show movie thing? Just Helsing. It's just Helsing. It's just Helsing. It's in the pin, by the way, Miles, if you need to find it. Jay, what about you? That makes so much sense. So last week...

Last week I nominated something that was pure cinema or Kino as people might call it. I nominated Kino's Journey, which is an all-time classic and like the highest rated anime of its year. This time I'm nominating something that's also really popular.

But I'm not talking to you guys on if you want to vote for or not. I'm talking to you, Mr. Listener. That's right. You right there in your car right now or your bedroom, wherever you're at. Look, I'm right there on your wall. I know you have a poster in my bedroom. I'm talking to you right now. Anyway, look at that poster of me, guys. What I'm doing here is I'm nominating rent a girlfriend. Go vote for it, please. We should all suffer. No. Honestly, we should. We should all suffer is a compelling argument.

I just typed in we should all suffer instead of rent a girlfriend in the mouse search box.

And guess what popped up? Rent-A-Girlfriend. It's crazy it automatically went there. It's actually pretty fun, the first season, I thought. First season's fun, and then it gets really, really bad. I think since I enjoyed Domestic Girlfriend so much that Rent-A-Girlfriend will be fun. Unfortunately, it's not very similar, but it's fun. It's in the recommendations. Of course it is.

I wonder why. Please, dear God, don't let that money girl senpai and Oreske, by the way, all three of your favorites, Pat golden time. That's another one. Yeah. There's some relation in the demographic of fans there. Yeah. Yeah. All right, Pete, what about you? What are you nominating? I think I'll,

I do like Undead Girl Murder First, but the voting did really bad. So I'm going to nominate another. It didn't do really bad. It just came in last year. Yeah. So it did really bad. I'm going to nominate a different. That hasn't stopped you in the past. That was different. I've already saw Undead Girl Murder First. So I'm going to pick a show that I haven't seen that has vampires in it.

I'm going to nominate the case study of Vanitas. I think that has some legacy points. I would rather chop my balls off than watch another season of Blood Blockade Battlefront. You put that on record.

I was going to say, that's a strong statement. If I'm ever watching Blood Blockade Battlefront Season 2, I've either been kidnapped or I have no testicles. I just claimed to the word. I'm going to make sure, dear listeners, don't worry. I was going to say, so I'm going to nominate Blood Blockade Battlefront. I'm going to make sure.

I just combined the words claim and statement by accident. That was weird. Yeah, blood blockade battlefront would win.

claimant is like a law thing right it's a well technically yeah but not in that context that i i no no no no but it just it is man come on well i misspoke and then i went to say i just combined and i said i just claimed i hope the audio listeners uh which is the entire show claiming how dumb everyone in this world of astralis's spaces and then i fucked up like 43 times after the episode

wrapping up. So like truly maybe all of that would have worked. I've changed my mind. What are we nominating that? Yeah. Um,

Yeah, well, High School of the Dead, I, you know what? I'm just an expert at finishing second, and that's okay. I'll ride with that until I don't ride with that, and I slip up and win by accident one of these times, I guess, and come in first, you know? Yo, we got it. Yeah, did you get it? Did you get the sex joke there? The joke is sex. We get it. Oh, no. What?

I genuinely do not understand it. It talks about finishing second and how he always finishes second and now he's only coming first. Eventually by accident. Because it happens sometimes. Because you're not trying to... It's because I drink so much. I'm not singing the national anthem. Do the alphabet or whatever. I think of the civil rights movement personally.

Oh, I was. Okay. I think of golf courses. And I was talking about tongue motion. Anyways, I was talking about something else. You do like the letters or whatever. That's like what I do to keep from. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah.

poor cat is lost but yeah so that's all i'm not lost at all i understand what's going on i just don't like it all right let's keep this all in thank you trent we love you for editing this and cutting out all the dead space and us talking over each other like we are doing right now what do you think about when you want to not come

I don't you know what let's not let's not do this more of like a tantric vibe that's pretty impressive yeah honestly 3d printing yeah well did he do yeah he couldn't because then it would just I mean it would be a disaster a flood that people had not seen

The amount of spores that would be released would be similar to that one Astro Lost in Space episode. That's also what it would look like, yeah. Mushrooms are phallic. Alright, guys. I think that wraps up

astral awesome space and watch club for this week uh take it away pete if you have made this far and you want to support us best way to do so like comment subscribe leave a review on whatever platform you're watching or listening to us on next week our episode will be the fall review so we'll be talking dawn to dawn and how mushroom pup actually cleared the entire series or season so can't wait for that otherwise if you're here for watch club we will see you in two weeks for oh maidens in your savage season thanks and we'll see you next time

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