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Of the What You Say Anime, we'll be reviewing the 2017 anime Scub's Wish. We got a lot to dive into today, so it's a quick introduction. We got Jay Miles, and starting off the discussion is the new men's basketball coach of the Hawaii Rainbow Warriors, Mr. Patty Mills himself. Pat, take it away.

what's this reference uh patty mills is now the head coach of the men's oh hawaiian basketball team they're called that's right they're called the rainbow warriors okay that's why i was confused i totally blanked on that and i am patty mills it's patty mills back with you another uh episode of anime watch club where uh

Yeah, we reviewed Scum's Wish, a show from the winter 2017 season done by Studio Lurch, sourced from a manga with genres of drama, romance, love polygons, school, and a seinen demographic. There is mild nudity as well, so R-rated. Good old Scum's Wish. Yeah, let's get off with our first impressions. Miles, why don't you start us off, and would you recommend the show as well? Sure. So, I...

This is so stupid. I nominated this show to punish Kat, who couldn't make it. Because Kat hates this show. Anyways, I was pretty impressed by the first three episodes of this. I thought it was pretty fun. I think that the characters are... It's interesting because in shows like this and anime in general, you generally never get a pile of truly...

I don't know, like bad people is too much, but like incredibly messy and not put together and dysfunctional humans. And we got that in this. And that was, that was, that was fun to watch for a while. Would I recommend this? I think I'm going to take my no recommendation and an angle that no one else who might be doing no will do. And I'll have to get into it later because it's not based on the first three episodes, which, which I enjoyed, but I think the show sort of falls off over time.

a bit you know so i'm cheating a little bit here but i think i would say generally no um though there will be people who really like this but i think you'll know who you are and instead of being like you know i want to you know i'm doing the opposite of what i do no but also you'll know if you will as opposed to yes you know if you won't yeah yeah well i'd recommend it to people who like scum's wish yeah there you go right like yeah

Sweet. Well, Jay, what about you? My camera cleared up just in time. All right. So first three episodes of this show, I was like, oh, wow, these people are all like scum. Who would have thought the title was accurate? They're all being scummy. And this teacher is a psychopath. Those were basically my first impressions. This is a character who I think that she will...

I'm sorry to harp on her in particular, but I think that the character of Akane in particular is somebody that will very much make or break someone's experience with this show if they are willing to... Because some people will just see how she acts and be so disgusted by it that they're like, I don't want to see a character do this for 12 episodes. And they're probably valid. But...

Me, however, I was like, God forbid a girl have fun. I would recommend this show. There is so much trash that happens in this. The character designs are fantastic because it's, you know, artwork by Mingo, same person who did Oshinoko. So, like, you're going to have great character designs and that sort of thing. I think if you're somebody who likes melodrama...

like Degrassi or something like that. Like if you watched Degrassi and you just wanted it to be like more fucked up, but also like way more in depth with the characterization, then I think that this is something for you. So I think that, yeah, I would recommend it.

I love the Kanae. Like, so much fun of a character. I'm sure we'll talk about it later. She's my favorite character. Of course she is. She's very interesting, too. I see nobody.

Yeah. All right. Pete, what about you? So coming into this show, the only real person in like our community that has stressed scum's wish is AM. I've known AM since he's about 14 years old. So I was saying, hey, this 14 year old really likes this show, which means I'm probably not going to like this show. So I came into it thinking like I had all the notions in my head that like the show is going to suck. Like I'm not going to like it at all.

And then I watched the first episode and AM was right the entire time. A show that he has in, or I guess is the manga specifically is in his top 10. And I thought that was ludicrous. And then after watching the show a little bit, I was like, no, I think I get it. I think what this show does in the first couple of episodes compared to other shows is really established the cast.

As real people. And they're not tropes. They're not playing characters in a play. To me they felt like real genuine human beings. Which is something different from something like Domestic Girlfriend. Something different from like White Album 2. Where I have issues with the characters in that show. Scum's Wish wiped away everything from those shows I hated. And cemented this as...

An incredible show. Incredible. I saw a great tweet that said, if you don't have some personal connection to genuine slop in your top 50 anime of all time, you're not a real anime watcher. You need a show like Scum's Wish to come across your palate and really open doors. I love this show. I would absolutely recommend it to anyone.

Since I'm using AM as the like the pedestal from who I got recommended to the first time. If you're above 14, watch this show. I think the experience is all over the place and you can get a lot out of it. So two thumbs up for me. I'll be talking a lot of positivity about Scum Splish.

don't watch it in your living room in front of your parents or anything well lucky i'm a grown ass man and i don't live with my parents if you're 14 i'm saying oh i was like what i'm not all right wait you're grown in some areas talking about his feet all right i have huge feet big man tall man baby hands though my hands are baby small

I'm sorry to hear that. That's all right. Babies have really tiny hands. Yeah. All right. And yeah. Have you guys gotten sick of romance anime? Insisting nothing but innocent teenagers blushing like tomatoes at the mere thought of holding hands. Sorry, I was referencing our Mal review game. Yes, you were. And the review that I read for our game. I guess that's a minor spoiler. But yeah.

If you're listening to this, I'd hope you'd listen to that by now. But yeah, this is Scum's Wish. I found myself very frustrated with this show. I don't know if I would recommend it. I vehemently disagree with Pete that this show does it. But I don't disagree in the sense that this show has well-written characters because I do think they are well-written and they're interesting characters.

I think these characters are the exact same as the White Album and Domestic Girlfriend characters in terms of how they're presented and how they are done. I also think that this show gives resolution to these characters that I don't really know if they earn, I guess. I don't feel like it fully fleshes out

Yeah, like Pete said, this drags you down. This is sloppy. It's melodramatic. I didn't feel like there was a lot of resolution by the end. And I'm not going to specify anything around that to avoid spoilers, and we'll get into it later. So I found myself being more frustrated with the show than I was excited by it. But I do think a lot of the compliments other people have paid is completely fair to it. Like, again, the characters are...

like their arcs are interesting and they, they, their dynamics are interesting. I think they are designed really well as well. I think they do look great. They are. I, it didn't even like connect to my head, but I do remember sitting there being like, Oh, these guys look like Oshinoko characters. And it's like, there you go. Exactly. Like Aqua. Yeah. Yeah. They even always do the eye thing that they do. It's like the,

Exactly. So I was enjoying it on that front for sure. I don't think there was anything inherently wrong with the show. I just found myself getting more frustrated with it than I was enjoying it. Not the whole time though. I really did. I enjoyed it enough that it was an easy watch. So I would not recommend this unless you specifically came out of Domestic Girlfriend or White Album 2 or some other sort of melodrama, but just needing more, needing something else and not wanting to read the manga for it.

Otherwise, though, I really wouldn't recommend it. So I guess I kind of pulled the miles there. But I'm in the same boat where I don't think that an average anime fan is going to want to watch this. It's very I was watching this in the living room and Ashley's like, this is like softcore porn. Like, what is this? I was like a little bit, a little bit. Not really, though. I don't know what like maybe embrace debate. Isn't softcore porn a little more hardcore than this? I don't know. I really don't. Yes, you can see genitals and softcore porn. There's just no penetration.

Thanks, Miles. Thanks, Miles. So there's an answer to my question. So I'll have to tell Ashley after. No, I wasn't watching soft core porn on our 98 inch living room TV. This didn't even have titties in it. He's mentioning the 98 inch TV. Yeah, well, that's how I like pay it off. Like every time I mention it, I...

Send another three grand to TCL. Yeah, there you go. No, it's not that much. It was really nice. Great deal. Love it. Love it. And everyone should have one, I think. But yeah, all right. I guess that's our first impressions. I think we had two and a half no's and one and a half yeses, I guess, if that makes sense.

breaks out uh correctly and then uh yeah let's do some spoilers going forward so yeah it's decently spoiler heavy i would say yeah but you've been warned let's get started right away miles did you want to do a little quick synopsis or are you let's do our synopsis we follow two main characters hannaby and moogie they have something in common they are both

in love with someone, and they know for a fact that it cannot be reciprocated for various reasons, mostly that it's their teachers. So Mugi is in love with the music teacher at the school, Akane, who used to be his tutor, maybe back when she was in college or whatever. And then Hanabi is in love with Mr. Kanai, who is her homeroom teacher and is also a childhood friend from the past who she grew up with. They're like,

What if we just do stuff together to ignore the fact that our love is unrequited instead of dealing with it in any sort of healthy and normal way? And that is what kicks off Scum's Wish as more and more unrequited love people get piled onto this sandwich. Now I'm hungry. Yeah. So...

That's the premise. That's how it goes. We have people who know that their relationships are who they're chasing after. It will never work out. And they're trying to deal with that because they don't want to admit it to themselves. So they try some other coping mechanisms. And it goes, okay. Yeah.

Do we have a first talking point we would like to discuss for the show? Pete, I know you were excited to talk about this. Oh yeah. Yeah. So we'll put this in quotation marks, the messy aspect of this show. I think we've seen it. We've done domestic girlfriend. I think we can kind of all agree. The show is a little messy scum, which I think does something similar in this vein where in, at least in anime terms, we don't see the level of like,

sexual intimacy contact like we do in scum's wish that's why we'll be referencing i feel like we'll be referencing domestic girlfriend a lot because there's not many shows like in this category that we have so i had issues with domestic girlfriend and how it handled sort of like it's messy it's like an example would be in that show they kiss in school like they just like hide behind um like a barrier or whatever and then they kiss the teacher and the student and to me that's like messy and

I feel like scum's wish kind of makes it less messy by giving us a lot more context to what's going on in this, like their sexual, um, like desires and actions that they take to it. So I want to get your guys' thoughts on how you felt that they managed some of the messiness of the show.

Would you mind giving a specific example, like in contrast to the domestic girlfriend? Sure. Actually a great example. Yep. Yeah. So there's a scene in the show that I, I think is great is when movie confronts a Connie in school and he does like the exact opposite of the main character and domestic girlfriend. He, he makes sure the lights are off the door shut and locked before like proceeding with anything that would be like ground for termination for the teacher.

And I think like that is something where it's adding a level to it where it may seem more real to me than domestic girlfriend. Yeah, I know it's preposterous, but it's like the show is at least trying to incorporate like a real life scenario and things people would do to hide the secrets. It's not just as in as in the open as something like domestic girlfriend was.

I have stuff, but if people have other things I can go because I don't know. One of the issues I have with this show is that I don't know if this is a hot take or not. It's really not that messy. It's not a messy show and it should be. It should be a messy show. It's trying to be a messy show, but as time progresses in this show, it just can't help but clean up after itself. And, um,

That's not what a messy show does. That's not what domestic girlfriend does. You know, the people in domestic girlfriend are horny and messy. They don't think about the consequences, right? These people do. And you know who thinks about consequences? Fucking cowards. I was going to say losers. I was wondering what you were calling with that. And you know who cleans up after themselves? The same types of people. And that's why, yeah, these people make a mess, but they clean up.

You're using the, you know, the restaurant next or whatever. That's not a thing that people use after someone else. But say it was, it would look pretty much in ship shape. And I didn't like that. That was an aspect I didn't like about the general messiness of this was that I don't think we ever got any like.

pow bam moments of like someone walking in on someone else hooking up with someone else you gotta have that in my opinion when you're doing that you have like a fucking love octagon going on surely it's gonna happen at some point um what about the students catching akane at the restaurant is that that's not really there's just a teacher on a date right yeah

True. Which like then Hanabi figures it out and deduces stuff and is, you know, like she knows, but the other teacher, no one else, none of the other students there know that I'm looking for their names. Narumi, the other male teacher knows.

is interested in. She doesn't know that she's leading her on, basically. The other students don't know that, so it's not necessarily messy. It's just like, oh, that's who Akane's dating, or that's who Sensei is going with. I agree with you in that sense, Miles, that it didn't have any of those bombastic moments. I don't know if I was necessarily...

waiting for them but i can i can see that perspective you know like for me i i feel like it was messy in the sense that like oh my god now this love interest is coming and now this love interest is coming together and they're competing in their own ways and the the tension that was there but yeah now that i think about it like you said there there wasn't like a boiling over point it was either i guess nariko and hanabi have had or have a little bit of a like a

about almost your verbal bout or joust whatever yeah it doesn't get that deep versus i mean domestic girlfriend that you know that's my top 50 slop kind of show so i'm i'm gonna die on that hill but that show had people slapping each other that had literal blood sisters ready to like

punch each other and like and kick and fight and scratch like I was oh I ate that shit up like an example I guess I would give is there's like technically an arc on this where Hanabi and Mugi are like officially dating yep

And then Hanabi just like cheats all over Mugi. And then also they never break up. And like, they're both just like, actually, we weren't dating. And there were like no consequences for all of that. It just sort of fell apart because they weren't, they didn't actually want to date each other, which to me is bad.

I think it's boring to do that. You know, she was like, I'm dating Mugi. And Sanaya was like, no, you're not. And then she was like, I guess you're right. Cause like she was right. But like, you know, I, I want, I want Mugi. Like there was this whole thing about Mugi being like questioning if Hanabi had actually lost her virginity because she's

She still had her hymen when, because she had slept with Sinai. So like when they tried to sleep with it, it was like very painful for her. And like, he was thinking about that. So I was like, oh, will this ever come to a head? And then it didn't. He just never thought about it ever again. And they sort of like disentangled the two main leads after a while. I don't know. I just sort of think they like,

They tied a really messy knot and you're like, how will this come apart? And then it came apart and you're like, yeah, like hold one string. Oh yeah. Okay. It was like, that was my view of it. And like, this isn't to say that the aspects you appreciate Pete aren't there. I think that a lot of the reason this is able to happen is because these characters are like very fleshed out and they think about things multidimensionally. Yeah. And it's like,

Yeah, I said I was dating Mugi, but like, yeah, I'm not really. And Mugi knows that I'm not. And Mugi knows that he's not. They know that they're not really into each other and they were just trying to do that. So like the consequences don't matter there. But like, wouldn't it be really fun?

If they did is, is my thought. No, I, I get it. And I think what we're, especially with like with Pat is like right now we're being served two plates of slop and it's just, which slop do you prefer? And I like slop a and Pat like slop B. Like, I think, I think we're like in that agreement that the show itself is

presented stuff in in the nature for it to to to get messy i should say yep i guess my counter to or like upgrade way that i would fix this show or change the show in a way that i would enjoy it more is and i think they do talk about it at one point like is it moogie i believe who starts to fall for hanabi a little bit at least or be like oh i could see why someone would love her or like i am starting to get feelings for or should we actually try dating

That happens like five episodes in and then it's just not touched on again, even all the way at the end when they're like having that long discussion that we also don't get to hear, by the way, which made me so mad. I was like, what were they talking about? Well, it was good for hours. Why don't you tell all of our issues? So why don't we hear that? You know, like that drove me nuts. Sorry that I didn't mean to.

drag on the show suddenly. But like that made me mad. But like in that moment, when we have heard them talking about like, oh, we wouldn't work together. They just kind of like, are like, oh yeah. And we decided we wouldn't work together. And it's like, okay, well that's cool. But like, let's hear that. You know, like I want to, cause I thought that that would have made it more interesting if they were like, oh, well let's try dating or whatever.

Even like midway through the show too, they were like, you know what? This really didn't work. This wasn't what we needed. And of course it wasn't what they needed because duh, you know, they were literally both of you just using each other, but that's kind of what happens in domestic girlfriend. And then the Ruri and was it Natsuki, not Naomi, something, whatever the male lead, the male lead and the,

smaller stepsister they end up like dating each other because they were like oh well we were using each other for convenience but now we have feelings for each other so i don't know i that's that's what i enjoyed more because it met i guess the way i looked at it was like it contributed more to the cyclicalness of the slop and the will they won't they rather than kind of just being an open and closed book like it was in this show well

I think that the character work in this is much more interesting than something than domestic girlfriend, like domestic girlfriend definitely had like, it's a different type of slop for sure. Like you said, Pete. And I think that domestic girlfriend slop has like some kind of,

sprinkles in it if that makes sense that might or sparkles or something like that that kind of pop out at you at points whereas this is a more mature wood barrel slop that's been aged for 20 years yeah and that's where the characterization really adds to the slop in my opinion i could not agree more

I like both of them, though. They're both messy as shit. Oh, yeah. I don't know. Yeah, I think I gave Domestic Girlfriend an eight, so it's like I like the show. Yeah. Oh, of course. Just not as much as I do. Yeah, no, and I'm so sad. You are the Domestic Girlfriend guy.

Well, I think the, and like what my response to that, Jay, would be, would be like the manga explores that so much more with each of these characters, which I'm sure the same thing happens in Scum's Wish. There's a lot of content in Scum's Wish from the manga, from what I understand. Yeah, and I do think that in, if you're comparing the anime to anime, the Scum's Wish anime does do their characterization better.

and and depth of the characters way better but that's also in the in the time that they had but i i think like domestic girlfriend like there's a reason it's 280 chapters long you know like there there's so much to it that really adds to it which i guess maybe i should go look at how long the scum's wish manga is not that long 60 chapters so yeah exactly so very different yeah

really quickly to compare these series to a manger scene, because that's where my head went. I love it. Yeah. And what is more in the spirit of Christmas than these, these two things, but I sort of use scum's wish is if you like have all your manger pieces and they're like beautifully sculpted and everything, but they're just sort of like arbitrarily placed around. And then like domestic girlfriend, you have like more crudely placed,

you know, like your, your Mary and your Joseph are more crude. They're not as good. You know, you don't get the full feel and gravitas of all of it, but the scenes are set up in a better way. I guess that's like how I would view it. You really get the manger scene, like of the interconnectivity of it. Whereas you get more about the personal death, but like less about the connectivity of it all in scum's wish, because I do think things happen that they just sort of drop in scum's wish. Like,

plot points and threads and all of that which i found mildly frustrating can i tell you to tailgate off of that which i agree with you like that's a good analogy or at least i see the analogy in your head well done like that acia guy uh the sanai or the cousin lesbians cousin that's kind of just dropped and not even really explored that much that was like the main that's the main one that jumps out to me i mean even nariko i'm i'm kind of

Unless I just missed it completely. I guess she goes on her date with Mugi and is like, this is my fantasy. And I do like that it comes full circle with her. Enjoy like, oh, making a beautiful dress for the show. She found her niche. She found what would make her happy. But then they kind of like instigate it with her and Hanavi. And I was like, well, wait, why did that start happening again? Like, when did they even make amends in the first place versus Hanavi?

Like her and Mugi, Noriko and Mugi, it made sense. They had both, I guess, come to their senses, not come to their senses. She understood that he just had no interest in her and that she was not the one for him. And she moved on. But like, we didn't really see Mugi reflecting on that much at all. It was almost like it never happened. It felt like. It's almost like he's a sociopath.

I don't think he's that bad. He's like sociopath number 15. I don't think Moogie is kind of low on the list as far as I'm concerned.

I barely think he is, if at all. I think he's in a shit situation and makes poor decisions, but he's aware at least of... Well, I guess that would make you more sociopath in theory, if you're aware. But he's aware that he's not making the perfectly correct decisions, but he's not, at least from what I remember, I don't think he's specifically taking steps to harm someone else or to...

interfere with someone else's life in the same way that akane you know she is the so he's a he is he's a victim more so than a lot of characters in this honestly i agree i agree completely do we want to talk about akane because like what a character well i feel like we should get to the cast in general yeah that's perfect yeah perfect transition let's start with the best character in the show i mean right i mean is that hard to

I mean, my best girl is not our best character is different from Akane. So, no, well, let's get into that then. I mean, what do we have to say about Akane first then? It's just because that was the transition literal sociopath. And I think it's really interesting. I think it's cool to see a character that just wants there is so self-aware and like conniving. She's such a bitch. Like, it's so good. I'm going to. Okay.

Oh boy. We're gonna... I don't know. I don't even know if this is like mask on or mask off, Miles. Okay? One, Akane doing all of that is super hot. Two... Yeah, of course. Of course. Two, I think they fuck her character up so much at the end. Agreed. I think...

I think the whole thing gets... Because, like, you can't fix Akane, right? Mr. Kanai would be squished under her fucking foot by the end of this. Oh, someone was nice to me. I'm not a sociopath anymore. No. No. This is not how it works. This is just not how it works. And so, to me, I sort of grew to resent...

how they brought her character along because it was... God, okay. I don't know. As someone who has been in an emotionally abusive relationship before I try to not bring this up every episode sometimes, you know, it was fun to see...

these aspects of a human in a way that I was able to clock as opposed to fall victim to. And then I was also excited because

No one comes out of these things undamaged to see this little fucking glasses wearing polo wearing nerd get absolutely eviscerated by this woman. And it didn't happen. Instead, he was like, I accept you. And she was like, I've decided to stop being evil. And that was annoying. I found that annoying. She's just not as evil.

annoying i'm still gonna cheat on you but i'm not that evil yeah which i don't i'm not even gonna lie i feel like she'll probably have stopped by that's later on i have a i have a i have a theory about this be impressive we're theorycrafting because when we were talking about it's like do you think akane would ever cheat again because when you see the last scene of her going on the date with moogie that was more of like a goodbye like she's not gonna fuck moogie anymore

But I think it's more along the lines of she raised what she's looking for in men, where if she found something of higher class, she would. Cause like the whole thing with her character was about finding, you know, like that hot, she was chasing that high of like manipulating the men into essentially like doing what she wanted. And so she was always chasing that high with different guys, which I love because I think that's like, I, I,

Not going to get personal, but I know somebody that was like that. And then somebody comes around and is like, I wouldn't say it's like necessarily like better than the other people, but it's like different. And it like changed her landscape. And so because like people just change with like these experiences. So like, I think that like in the long term, if she found somebody like Kanai, she would probably cheat again because I still like that high chasing like never goes away.

I think you've stumbled upon a bit of a conundrum here because the issue is this fucking guy, right? He's got a hammer. That's the only logical explanation. Like straight up. Yeah.

um this dude is packing heat unlike anything you've ever seen it's like it's just like okay so we redo the shot and he's explaining the physiology of penguins and then it just pans down and you just see that he has a third fucking leg on their aquarium date um he's the emperor penguin and he's like that call it the emperor i call it the emperor he he he

He would not be banging a Connie if she was primarily dating somebody else. Correct. So if she finds another guy, like it's just, it won't, it it's the issue. I don't know if she, would she tell him that's that's, I guess that's like something that would need to be explored.

I feel like we didn't get enough there. Yeah, that's how I felt at the ending too. They were like, oh, she says to his face after he proposes to her, I will cheat again or I will cheat on you. And he says, I don't care, which he's the ultimate I can fix her character. Also, then frankly, it's not cheating. I agree 100%.

She says this is an open marriage, whether you like it or not. I mean, as long as he's as long as you're not like pressuring the person into it, Pat, right? Like as long as as long as Mr. Can I hear is actually 100% fucking fine with it just because he's the coolest dude ever.

You know, and he's like, I love you, despite the fact that you're a sociopath. And she's not a sociopath because she's cheating on him or anything. She's a sociopath because she specifically wants to cheat on people in order to hurt other people so that she feels better than them. That's the thing. And it's doing it. Yeah, because for fun, like not not out of pleasure of, oh, I got to fuck Kate Upton. Like, great. No, that's not at all what it was. It wasn't that kind.

cheating which of course i guess oh you can argue like oh no not all cheatings like that that's not or all cheating is like that it's not about the literal sexual pleasure gain yeah it's a power move

power move for sure there's always some of that going on but no sure yeah like you said she is specifically like she doesn't even care about the sex she doesn't care about the intimacy at all she's looking for the attention she's looking to cure her but i believe she described it as like just never-ending boredom yeah which respectfully to kanai you he is boring as shit is he not so like i feel like he's

Which I maybe that's the whole point. He oh, he was so my brain. It did like a variable overflow on her and she became on board. He's not like most girls. He's yeah, that's her. Right. Yeah. You know, I don't know. Sorry. Sorry. He's so boring that he's not boring to her, which, you know, because he's not like.

Oh, every other he's not like every other guy, you know? Oh, my God. We really are. For context here, she she only ended up with him because she wanted a high school girl to be jealous of her. Yeah, she's insane. I love her.

I fucked your teacher. That was an amazing scene. That was crazy. Absolute cinema. Oh my god. And I just feel like they dropped that at the end to make her like

And I don't want her to be palatable. I want her to be awful. And I want her to make everyone around her worse. Yeah, because that is what those people do. You either cut them out of your life or you get drugged down to the mud to their level. You do not fix them. Some therapist who gets paid a bunch of money fixes them. It's.

I was gonna say, I think it was like they wanted a Disney ending with her, and I don't think it meshed with her character. And I think because like I do as much as I fucking love this show, I have qualms with her character and the cousin. And I do think I don't know, like if she slept with Mugi at the end, I would maybe feel like.

a little bit more complete with her character. Like it showed that like she never actually changed type of thing.

And so, yeah. Or if we saw like after the fact too, though, that she was being faithful, you know, like we, I feel like winked or something. Right. Whatever. Like something along those lines that just showed us whether there was an actual answer to whether she would act like, was she lying when she said she would cheat again or not? Like, that's literally like what I was so frustrated by. It was like, there was no clear answer, which shockingly I'm frustrated by like, no, but like, you know, like,

This kind of ties into it, but I like her character and this goes a little bit broader before we focus back in on the characters. The way that the show ends with the jumping around to like two years ago, four months ago, like that was anyone else could kind of, again, I did not like how this show ended. I think similarly what Miles said, like I was frustrated by the flashbacks kind of overlapping because I was like. It was real flash forwards. They were all like, so it went.

Whatever, like September, November, January, I think. But there was literally labels that said like, oh, two years ago, four months ago. We had flashbacks. Like when we saw like Mugi hooking up with May, that was a flashback, right? At the very end? No, this was in the middle episode. Sort of when he like...

I think past talking about specifically at the very end. Oh, my bad. I thought you were talking about the story in general. My fault. No, no. Mugi, I thought was interesting. Or Mei. Mei and Mugi. That was an interesting, like, also something we didn't... I forgot she existed! Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Oh my god! We didn't get even more on that. It just kind of like fizzled out and did nothing with it. But no, specifically in the final episode, I believe it is the final episode at least, when it's all coming together...

The, you know, the perfect, the crazy knot is getting unraveled perfectly. Like they flash back to when the students are throwing like a congratulations party for the two teachers getting married. And I can't remember if that was before or after another flashback.

Yeah. But they were right next to each other and they were like, I was like, wait, so how does this, and then they flash back forward to the current time. Like when they were, they, cause they, they, Oh, she realized she wakes up, realizes he was also sleeping there, you know, in that, in that storage room. And then she goes back to that storage room at a different time. And then she flashes back again to that. Like, I was just so like, what's going on here. I, I don't know if I just completely missed one specific thing or got lost, but, um,

Yeah, I don't know. Jay, can you help me unravel this at all? There's a like not sequel, but epilogue manga called Scum's Wish Decor that goes through like the next like five years of everybody's lives from what I understand. I was doing a little bit of reading on that. Do you guys want me to spoil anything on that for you? I think giving the warning here now. Yes, spoilers. Really, really, really quick.

Jay, would I find it entertaining? No. Okay, yeah, go ahead, spoil me. Yeah, so yeah, that spoiler warned. Next 30 seconds, let's hear it. Yep. Okay, so basically, scum's wish decor. The teachers are still married. They're happily married, even. But she is still doing her affairs. She actually, but she does claim she's being picky about them. I would like that.

uh let's go honorable let's go venerable of her you know but then it gets revealed later on that turns out she's never actually cheated on narumi i read a manga that was exactly like what you just read yeah oh you just accidentally read scum switch decor no it's a terrible it's a terrible manga but it's about essentially like

but then the twist at the end was they, she never actually cheated on her boyfriend once. It just made it seem like it. I was like, that was fucking terrible. That, that is so funny from this aspect where I feel she's like, someone's going to review this, this manga. And there'll be like, I've changed too much and they don't like me anymore. Yeah. I'm totally still cheating on him. I didn't get fixed like immediately. Yeah. Okay. I did. Yeah.

keep going jay moogie is a fucking loser he's got no ambitions he doesn't have any place to live he just couch serves basically or he sleeps with random women and stays with them until they kick him out he feels super alone but he tries to get a part-time job so he can get over hanabi but then they meet at a concert and they end up deciding to give it one more try and it basically ends on saying is it gonna work out nobody knows but they're gonna give it a shot

You know what they say, fifth time's the charm. Well, the animal lives by. Sane meets a random fucking...

lesbian college professor and they end up together thank god professor of course thank of course professor we should just be happy it's not a guy i was so pissed at the end of this show where like the cousin shows up and she like plays with her hair i'm like don't do that don't do that you are a lesbian like being a lesbian don't fuck your cousin the cousin is

but really low in my ranks as far as things go he's my worst character that is your cousin he doesn't do anything what is wrong yeah pete hates spy people so i okay be lesbian there's like a thing in the show where like he gets sick and i thought that he was faking it so that that way they could get like alone time but he was like actually sick i was like what was the point of that i thought that was that scene was dumb

Can I say about Sanae? Sanae Atrian? Sorry, my bad. I hate her character so much. Not this month. Sorry, I'm sorry. It's frustrating that so many LGBTQ plus representations in these shows have

aren't well written and it's I may not well written as well but like I find her incredibly frustrating because she sexually assaults Hanabi trying to convince her that she's lesbian or awaken her lesbianism or however you want to phrase that. I don't think that's sexual assault.

She forcefully kisses her. It was kind of sus. It was sus, but it's not. Sexual assault is like a whole other level than like being pushy and going for it. She forced her. Okay, fine. Sine forced herself on Hanavi, hoping to change. I don't think that's what happened. Okay. I don't know if I would frame it that way. Yeah, she didn't like force. She just like went on top of her while they were sleeping. Like, it's not. I don't think it's sexual assault.

I think it's really bad to phrase it as sexual assault when it's not. I can agree with that too. I agree with that, but I can't fathom. I like, I'm, I'm confused. Like she is. She, if like how to be like, push her away and she like kept going, that would be different. But she like, I don't know. I thought she thought she was a little pushy and she shot her shot.

And then Hanabi went for it a little bit. Especially when Hanabi started crying, she stopped. Okay, so this is my thoughts on it, where if you want to present somebody's character like this, how do you do it then?

Because I think how it's presented in the show is like the right amount of it's too much. Like, I agree that what she did was forceful. It put, I think, and she's aware of Hanabi's position. But I think if you wanted to present that in the show, I think this was a really good and healthy way to present that because sensitive subjects like this are hard. They're hard to touch because everybody's experiences are different and they react to it differently.

I felt that this was tame enough to get the point across of what they were trying to present to the characters. And it didn't cross a line where it's not redo of a healer. It's not stuff like that. I think, I think it told the line really well with the boundaries it wanted to push because it's, it's tough. Pushing boundaries is tough. Fair enough. I think, you know, she could have asked for consent or been like, I want to kiss you. Can I kiss you? Like, can I,

try to do these things with you like can we engage in this and then like imperfect teenagers sorry to talk over you but no you're good like i think part of the point of that is showing that like love and sexuality and your first time are they can be messy yeah exactly wide spectrum of that i don't

necessarily like i do understand where you're coming from don't get me wrong but yeah i think i'm closer like i'm in between you two but i would say i'm closer to pete where like it's not comfy at all but i wouldn't put it into like because anime is also not subtle about that sort of thing when it's happening right and i feel media in general but especially anime like

Hell, even if you look at like Mingo's other works, like Oshino Ko, like there's very explicit, like sexual violence or themes of sexual violence, that exploitation violence towards women, that sort of thing. It's not, Mingo's not a subtle artist as we can see just by literally everything else in this series. So I don't think you're like wrong for feeling the way that you do Pat, but I'd lean more towards where Pete's.

Can I talk about my favorite character? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Sure. So my favorite character in the entire series was Mocha.

And I don't know how much or how many other people like really liked her character, but I was like fully entranced by Mocha. I loved everything that she presented. I love this idea of chasing a Prince Charming. I love the idea of her making bounds and making her ways to get to the thing that she wants. And then when she actually experiences it, she realizes that this was not

What she wanted. And I think that's a great example of those, like going through a relationship and her relationship and some of the other, actually a lot of relationships remind me of like my high school relationships were like, I don't know how many, if any of you guys had like high school girlfriends or like sweethearts or whatever, but yeah,

To get like a little personal, like I dated my high school sweetheart for seven years. Like I thought I was going to marry my high school sweetheart. Like that was always in my head. And then when it didn't happen, I was like,

Like you get a sense of like your world is crumbling. But then after like a week, you realize like this might have been like the best thing for me. Like I feel like something like opened her mind when she had her experience with Mugi and sort of realized that this isn't the experience that she was looking for the whole time and then moved on.

And I love that. And I just thought her character, how she played it was great. I love the school, like little squabbles she had with Hanabi. Like that was very like high school drama. Like I like him more than you. You should break up with them type of thing. I just thought her character was great. Like something about her. It was just like her actions to me felt the most like well-established

And then from point A to the conclusion was just great. So I want to give a shout out to my favorite character, Mocha. I really enjoyed her, Pete, though she is another example of where I would have loved the show to be messy because Mocha is

it sort of dips her toe in the messy pool and is like, this isn't the pool that I want to be in. Right. Yep. And what I, I want to happen is for Mocha to dip her toe in the messy pool. And then she goes, this isn't the pool I want to be in. And then the pool of messy locked as monster grabs her leg and drags her down. And it's like, you cannot escape me too. You know where I wanted to go. I want her to date Hanabi. I think Mocha and Hanabi should have been dated. Yeah.

For my Kimi ni Toge fans, it's Sawako and that other girl from season one. The same thing. They should be in game. You're being nicer to her than I was because I had been messaging you that when Hanabi was cheating on Mugi, I wanted Mugi to find out, get jealous, and then sleep with Moka to get revenge, even though he didn't really care about her. I don't think he cared. Well, to make Hanabi jealous, more so than

than have mocha like i just don't think him being an awful person yeah well that that is another issue with this no one ever cared that anything happened but you know they're all so sad but nothing matters correct um i like with mocha i i also i i do like the arc and the way that like you said she doesn't fully dip into it and

and realizes and learns from herself. I just wish we saw it more like, because it felt like she would have those spats with Hanabi and then kept having them even after she had already decided that she was good without her Prince Charming or without Googie, right? And then she kind of vanishes for that middle part of the show.

or middle late part of the show and then shows back up at the end like oh i am healed well not me that's or she's over it but but yeah like oh i am i am i have found what my my goal is or what i use with my time i oh and i'm getting some friends people are so blown away by me that they want to be friends with you blah blah blah like that's good i just i you know would have liked to have seen the progress which i think is similar to something to do with sanay is

she's like oh i'm gonna give you space and then they're so they give them they give each other space and then she's just gone and then she comes back at the end is like i'm better there we go you know oh i cut my hair i'm better you know so i i was kind of it is anime i know i know but like i get like a lot of these characters like kind of fell out of the the scope of

And then came back and it's like, oh, they're good, by the way. Which, I guess that is very anime, though. Like, again, they had done their parts or their roles in the story, right? I know you did, but it's also very anime to fade out after you're

done with your arc yeah your arc and then in the last episode you get so you get a little like cameo like hey i'm still alive like like that kind of thing uh maybe that's not just an anime thing that's just like a show thing but still like like so i wanted more seeing them actually learn to change or getting better versus fading out and then coming back and being better which like they could have done with like nariko like

Literally in the background of scenes maybe existing or, you know, they could have shown her talking to other people or walking around town doing things like they could have inserted it in the background, I guess, if they really felt they didn't have the time for it. But that's where I was frustrated by because I did like her character a lot. So.

Jay, do you have any thoughts on this before I bounce off of? Pete, you might want to actually read Scum's Wish Decor because there's like, you get like a decade of Mocha's life after all this. Okay.

yeah there's so i will i i won't spoil for you okay her life is because i think you'll actually really yeah if it's quick i mean yeah i would definitely like to check it out yeah i think it's like 20 chapters or 743 chapters yo what of mocha specifically wait was the one piece actually just scum swish get it it's

It's actually not Tiles, Scum, Swishes, and Cores. It's I'll have a grande mocha, please. Anyways, Pat, I guess what I would say is one, I agree with you. I think the side characters on this were very concentrated in the beginning and then they all fall off sort of at the same time. And then we get like a very large amount of focus on Mugi and Akane, which I did enjoy, but like,

solely them for like two or three episodes and it sort of felt like a lot what I'll say is someone like Mocha showing up at the end while our characters busy sort of moping around and demonstrating that you actually can get over it and she's like look I'm doing good now I'm looking you know I got rid of my pigtails and all that I think that has value the issue is that every side character went away at the same

way at the same time you know what i mean so like just doing that with like one of them i think could be a narratively good decision they fall off screen they come back and they've changed and that's like surprising right it's like oh i didn't expect this but like when you have everyone you know so you had like that remember that guy there was just that guy that hanabi was dating that akane also dated he just went away

A lot of people just go away. And I guess like when everyone does that, it becomes a little bit of an issue. Those girls, Hanabi asked for advice. Don't go away. They're in scum's wish decor. One of them's asexual. One of them's what? Asexual.

hard world to be asexual in the world of scum's wish she's avoiding a lot of bullshit by doing that though so true maybe it's actually a very maybe it's an easier world there was actually a great scene with those girls and hanabi after the fact where they were how they view relationships i thought was really interesting because like the girl had the she essentially had two choices of a boyfriend and

and they were having that conversation of like who she should choose. And Hanabi was so perplexed that like, why would you want to date two people? Don't you have a true love? And I just love that like adolescent side of Hanabi. It's like, how,

like you have no experience do you like you do not know how any of this works i thought that was just like a great little nod a nice little tip of the cap to like high school relationships because there are a hundred percent people that are like that's my boyfriend that's gonna be my husband when i grow up blah blah blah and then this one's just like yo do i want to date the the football player or do i want to date the hockey player type of thing so i really like that scene you want the hockey player by the way ah they stinky yeah

As a football player, we were also stinky and I agree. Yeah. Dated tennis player. Hockey guy. I don't do that. Oh, come on. Yo, I need all the help I can get. Specifically, don't date tennis players. That's my only piece. Specifically, don't date Pete. That was so mean. You know what, Miles? You're no longer my friend.

Oh, sorry, bud. I apologize. This is Scum Switch. I'm out. I'm out. You'll never see me again. I'm out. It beats out like one of eight characters. One of eight characters. I'm going to spin the wheel. Oh, no, I already spun the wheel. Veronica is running the podcast now.

okay you'll show up and you're in your wedding tux at the finale of the what do you say anime and then you'll just be like mean mugging me you'll be all chiseled and shit and i'll just be like oh i'm still miserable oh miles is just like he's like boogie he's couch hopping yeah god my life's gonna take a turn what happened bro

Oh, God. Should we talk about Hanabi and Kadae? Or Hanabi's, I guess, conflict or her scummy wish, as they might say. You know, like the focal point of the show, of the plot, maybe. Love this. I know we're running on time pretty late, but we've had a good discussion so far, so I think we're good. I thought...

Okay. I know we talked about this a little bit. For me, my frustration was the fact that I guess I wanted it to be more domestic girlfriend-y, like what we were talking about earlier, where...

It didn't feel like to me they needed to have that intimate of a relationship or personal of a relationship in the first place for this story to still be told between the two of them in the same way that Mugi and Akane, I mean, the way they met, I guess they met technically before they go to the same or they're at the same high school. But it's clear that there's no familial or super connected relationship.

level there versus with hanabi and kanai i mean i i guess the the little brother big brother or little sister thing like i understand that kanai sees it correctly and never even thinks about it and it's we're seeing it from the perspective hanabi who calls him big brother but technically it's not because japanese is weird sometimes or or whatever if i say what's up brother it's that

I guess. I don't think it's that at all. I don't think either. I think it's more like, hello, senior, or hello. Hello, senior. Yeah, older male figure. Older senior, like that. Yeah, like older male figure. I get that. But the way that the show described them, to me, it screamed that they were bad.

felt like brothers or siblings and that's where i was like i don't need that i want something more like domestic girlfriend because it's already so their their relationship would already be morally reprehensible with and or immoral maybe is a better way to put it where i don't think there's that massive age gap the massive age right now would be right now would be 100 massive age gap in general it's like five years he's 23 and she's 17 in the show so six years

Okay, I don't love that. It would still be a bad 10 years from now when she's 27 and he's 33 because there would be the grooming aspect of it. Provided that they had known each other for that period. Provided that they had known each other, right? Or had been around each other in any capacity, I would argue. I'd say he was her military superior. Ha ha! You mother... Ha ha ha!

Well played. It's good. So I and like I just I felt like it didn't need that. It didn't need that. It could have just been an Akane and Mugi situation where maybe they had a little where they got to the school. That's where the crush started something. And it still would have been that conflict of I want I love someone that can never show me love back.

Without having the weird family stuff or the weird like that. And that bothered me so much because like that makes it, if anything, maybe telling on myself here, I see can see Hanabi's perspective. If she wasn't calling him big bro, I can see Hanabi's perspective. If he's just someone that feels unreachable or unattainable by the nature of their relationship, then,

I don't see it from the perspective of what actually happens in the show at all. And I understand the crush, but it's a crush that drags on for 12 episodes and is like the seminal point of the show and the relationship. And I do not see how it could, I'm glad she gets over it. I'm glad she learns by the end, but it was very, very frustrating in the moment for me because I was just like, there's so, there's a totally different way that it could be done.

Okay. So normally when we have like these, we, I like, we can see like perspectives and stuff like this. And this was something that when you brought it up, like I was like, I a hundred percent disagree with,

And it's for the fact that we have context to Hanabi's past or backstory along with Kanai. And the reason why Hanabi is so fond of the teacher is because she grew up with no father figure, no male influence in her life. She is surrounded by negativity. Like she's called like a mistake by her relatives. And then you have somebody like Kanai who is a guiding light in her life.

they're an older figure and it just happens to be of the opposite sex. So having the relationship feelings for somebody who does that in your life, especially at that age, I think is completely normal. And it makes sense that she grew out of like, I think it's a, we, instead of the fact that like she had a crush on him, it's more of the reason of why she did. And we, I feel like the focus needs to be on that. It's,

Hanabi missing this figure in her life is the reason the show showcases it. This is one of the biggest reasons why she is the person who she is.

Like if she didn't have can I in her life, she would be like a mess. I feel like. And then can I is the same way. He's actively searching for a mother figure in his life because he only has his dad. Like we have references to where he can't eat dinner because he doesn't know how to cook. And his dad doesn't know how to cook. So he goes over to their house and they share a meal together. And it's something that he is searching for. He's not searching for a little sister. He was searching for a mom.

And so like his perspective of this whole situation is completely different to Hanabi's because his intentions were, was to never to be a big brother. It was to find a mom. And that's what he is actively searching for in the younger years.

So when you, when it's played out where the teacher, uh, Con I has zero feelings towards Hanabi in any sexual manner makes perfect sense in the story. It is laid out and fleshed out perfectly. And Hanabi having the feelings that she has with the context of the show, I think is perfect. Like it makes perfect sense why somebody would do the action she did on the context that's given to us. Miles. I have a, um,

I guess like a different view is I'm more a doilian, I guess, than what Pete just did, where I think that it provides a good foil to Akane. Akane does where one, you know, it would make,

So Hanabi was it was harder for her to get over the crush like one might normally because he ends up being a teacher in her school. And I think that's sort of important for why they had prior relationships, because if she had a crush on the older boy in the neighborhood and the older boy went to college and then she never saw him again, they would presumably be easier to do. And then you have Hanabi.

him acting as like a foil to akane where she's just like yeah i'll bang that teenager um and he's like i'll do it because it will hurt multiple people that's very funny i think this is funny you know where where is he he is like for better girl have fun yeah you know what um you know where

Kanai has, has the right view of it. You know, he knows he's too old. He knows that the relationship doesn't really permit that, but he also offers like empathy and understanding of why she might feel like that based on how it happened, you know? So at some point I can generally see where you're like, Oh, this like went on too long, but this concept going on is sort of the plot of the show. It's about like unrequited love and,

festering and going forward like the longer it goes and so it can't be something so immediate because otherwise you have a different show you know so yeah i guess so i i just i

really hung up on that like the familial thing like what i think makes it like so clear what the answer is versus they just i mean i don't know they didn't live together right if they were the same age it would be fine no but like like blood is thicker from digressi all over again yeah like blood of the covenant thicker than water the womb like that kind of thing like that's the way i looked at it was found family in a way so it's like you you know like that that's where my family

I found her and then we got married and now we're family. You got me. You got me. Like, okay, well, I found you, right? Yeah. No, but I guess that was just my point was that it's like, I felt like a, it just felt like, oh, well, I didn't need it. It would have still been a questionable decision or a tangible understanding why she still had that crush for me.

and versus i just can't get why she would in this scenario but again i guess that's why i'm not i i guess i agree i think you just sort of accept that she does because it's the premise right no of course and that's why i complain about it to you guys because i didn't like that aspect of it so there we go that's that we got there we got there again i over text maybe we weren't communicating clearly either uh but yeah i guess that uh wait did you want to say anything on this no i was enjoying the popcorn

No, fair enough. All right. Yeah, I think we do need to move on to closing thoughts that we're running a bit long here. Sorry, folks. But yeah, why don't you give us give us your final thoughts and your final score so that we can find where we put the show. Yeah. The show, you know, is one thing I will say that the show is it's it's watchable.

There was another show that I described as such recently. I can't remember what it was. Oh, it was High School of the Dead. Where it was a watchable show. I wanted to watch more for better or worse. This is something that I feel less extreme about. But nonetheless, a show that the best thing I would say about it is probably that it is watchable. I think that the characters...

are good and interesting. I know that is what Pete is probably going to praise the most. I think that where it fell short for me was the way that the characters bounced off each other just wasn't always satisfying.

Except for in a few cases. Or it was always satisfying, but then things would bounce off and just never show back. I don't, I'm not quite, it's a complicated show. I don't know exactly, even after discussing it for, you know, an hour or whatever, how to put my words in there. I wish it was messier. I wish that Akane had either...

faced some sort of consequences or drug everyone down with her as opposed to her being uplifted, which probably says something about me as a person, but you know, that's not here or there. Nothing we didn't know already. Fair enough. As me explaining why episode nine of devil man is my favorite episode of anime. It's like,

You know, and so I think I was just sort of like looking for that. I think it tried to be messy and then went for a relatively cookie cutter ending with like the only wrinkle being that Hanabi and Mugi didn't end up together. But like...

Oh, God, that would have been beyond the pale. Like, it would have been too far. It would have been so unbelievable if they had ended up together. So I still view this as sort of the standard stock ending for this show. Though I could understand if someone didn't because the main couple didn't end up together. And that's not always common. Anyways, I'm going to give this a seven. I had fun. I liked the characters. I think it just is.

sort of narratively flawed in a few places that that ended up hurting it for me as it got towards its conclusion. All righty. Jay, what about you? OK, so I think that this show was like pretty fun in a way, just because like I think watching this with a group of people, like even the way that we did or just even watching it with like your partner or something is really fun because you can see like

people's reactions to just the like scummary that goes on in this you know what i mean like you can tell a lot i think that you could use this as a litmus test for new weebs that you meet where you talk to them about like so how do you feel about scum's wish like what characters were you vibing with i think you can really learn a lot about somebody i think that

The show, for me, the highlights of it were, like I said before, the characterization was immensely well done. Sometimes to the detriment of the plot, where you can really feel that they were in their bag so much thinking about how these characters think and feel and interact with each other, that, like Miles said, certain aspects of the plot just kind of show up and then leave. I'm not sure if it's an adaptation thing or if that's how it is in the manga as well, but alas, here we are.

I think that the music of the show was pretty underrated as well as like the voice acting, especially the, the dub. Like they really did a good job with the dub and maybe we sound like a broken record. Cause I feel like we've been doing a lot of pretty solid dubs recently, but I think that this is one where if you're willing to like go pirate it, because that's the only way you can find the dub nowadays, go, go ahead and just go sail the seas for it. It's solid.

But yeah, this show, if you're somebody who enjoys melodrama like Degrassi, but you want it turned up to like 11, then I think that you should definitely check it out. For me, yeah, this is like a seven.

Seven already. Pete, what about you? All right. I've been waiting for this. So I was thinking about like writing something down, but I decided that I just want to just, just spit ball. I mentioned it earlier that when we have shows like domestic girlfriend or white album or something in that same sphere, sometimes the characters to me seem fake. Like they, I know it's a,

animated show but like hopefully you get what i'm saying is like they feel like developed they feel like actors like they don't feel like they're like actually in the story they're playing a role or they're playing a trope and then sometimes what those messier shows do is that

They are in like a, I don't know, a ball of scum or something. And then all of a sudden they'll try to like pull it back and be real. And to me, that like pulls me away from shows like that. What I think what scums wish did better than those shows and other ones is they

it presented itself as messy, but real the entire time. Like I never felt like it, the situations that they were in while they were outlandish and exaggerated. I've maybe even personally have been a part of something that's happened in the story where I felt like it wasn't that exaggerated. Like it is realistic.

And I never felt like what they were presenting to me was so far fetched that I couldn't like believe that it could happen to me or somebody else. I just like,

It was captivating. I thought the characters were incredible. My biggest issues was the ending. I did not like the ending. And normally I say, like, if the ending is bad, it can kind of, like, knock a point or two. But I just thought, like, the first, like, ten and a half episodes were just so solid where I watched so much anime. It's so hard for me to binge shows. This was a breeze. Like, I...

A lot of times I'll watch like, you know, I'll watch a seasonal then go to bed or something like that. This was like, I was up till two watching the show. I'm like, I got work in six hours. Like that rarely happens to me anymore, especially in binging shows. There's seasonal shows where like, I'll go out of my way to watch, which is kind of like the same thing with this. It was just like, I didn't want to stop watching it. Like,

I know yesterday, like I had to go to my mom's and I was pissed because I wanted to finish the show. Like that's how much I was invested in it. It just did something to me that like other shows like this have not done, especially with like romance and drama. I think a lot of times it's butterflies and sparkles. And this was pure and raw. And I loved it. Yeah, man. Love the cast. Love the character design. Like,

That just makes me kind of feel like I feel like Oshio Ko could try to like a little bit harder because this is just like, you know, sure. Let me let me go. Right. Yeah. I was like, you know, you know, Aqua does look exactly like boogie. Like,

I don't know. That's not like a detriment to like, I guess it technically is, but like, it just makes me like, like scums wish so much. Like, I think like the character designs were just awesome. Fully ingrass in the story. The drama was the right amount of slop and messy that I wanted in this type of show. And yeah,

Just great, man. And like, I was so excited to talk to you guys about it. Like that's another thing. The show is so much fun to talk about. Like, yeah, that's such another level for sure. It's like apocalypse hotel on Tuesdays. I can't wait for Tuesdays to talk about apocalypse hotel. It raises my score because I get to talk to so many people about a show. I love this is it too. I'd give this a 10. It made my top 50 all time. I think the show is incredible. I think it's honestly, it's,

This is like if I watched this before Toradora, I think this might have been like my favorite romance ever. I just I just think what they did on almost every level was so far above beyond what's in the sphere now that I just fell in love with it. Yeah, I think this is a 10. This was it was never not going to be a 10. Like I love it. Sorry. 11th hour discussion topic is scum's wish or romance. Yes, it's 100% romance.

yeah okay i mean not all romances like i said not all romances butterflies and sparkle sometimes it's whatever scubs wishes and fair enough it's the bad side yeah just just like white album too where it's not all butterflies and romance i mean i literally just said that i feel like the characters are actors so yeah i fucking hate white album too and i love scum swish so 10 out of 10 it's kind of fun

Yeah. Okay, Pat, what do we got? Yeah, I was going to say my turn, because I was going to just specifically cite where Pete was mentioning how he preferred these characters. What failed for me with Scum's Wish, I think, is the fact that these characters were so fleshed out. And I think Miles kind of touched on this too. They get into these messy situations and then it kind of all just solves itself or they kind of just get out of it. Versus the way I, what I really liked about White Album 2 and Domestic Girlfriend is that

These characters are bad people. They make poor decisions and then they pay the price for it or someone else pays the price for it and things go wrong. And that made it feel real to me. Like seeing the cheating or...

like seeing a repercussion to the cheating actually mattering versus in this show we don't even see anyone react to the cheating other than our cuck chair guy can i you know like i want it i want to see that stuff and that's probably why i liked white album two more uh and why i liked uh domestic girlfriend much more than the show i think

A lot of the other talking points in terms of the positives are there, like character design. I agree about the music. The music was great. It was noticeable in a good way in the background. All that stuff was great. But I really was frustrated. I will say it was easy to watch, very easy to binge, like Pete was saying too. I binged the hell out of this and it was not hard. I had a golf tee time and I wanted to finish the show before I went golfing. I didn't do that, but I wanted to.

So yeah, I am going to give this a five, I think, because I think it's perfectly fine. I also, I was kind of somewhere between a five and a six, but I don't know. I think the ending is very frustrating to me. I was very, very frustrated with it. And, and that was kind of where I was already in the five to six range. And then I think that that's solidified it to me where I was just not satisfied at all by the way the resolutions came to be. So, uh,

With the four of us totaled together, we end up with a 7.25 rating, which is about 0.15 higher than the average of 7.09 on Mal. So yeah, good on us. We were pretty similar, I'd say. About as close as you can get with four people to 7.09. So very similar feel from us as the community. And Miles, you...

have what we're watching for our pride month episode i sure do we will be reading scum yes let's go um one thing i want to point really quickly about our score is the range we had of five to ten is indicative of what i have seen in the community where people like

Jay and I who are like, I like the show. I had some issues. Seven out of 10 are actually kind of rare, but I've seen more of the sort of extremes of like, this is a 10 or you're a sociopath for thinking this is a 10. This is like a five or lower. And so I like that we did that. I think that is fun. Okay. They're the best episode. In third place, we had, I am in love with the villainous earning its second legacy point.

In second place, we had Wandering Sun. Damn, so close. And in first place, we have Given. Oh, wow. Given won. Let's go. Given crushed. Fuck yeah, I love Given. So yeah, we'll be watching Given. You guys are less homophobic. Yeah.

To be fair, it is flipped from all of our previous Pride Month episodes. I think every other one has been a Yuri. It's good to get some diversity in there. Sweet. All right. Yeah. So we're watching Given. Not the movie, right? The show came first, I think, right? Yes. Okay. Show. We're watching that show for...

June 30th, I guess it is going to come out. Not during Pride Month anymore, but hey, we sometimes forget dates. We're terrible at it. It's our bit. How time works, exactly. But now we're going back to normal nominations. So yeah, only four of us today. So we got, in theory, a 25% chance to win on these nominations. That's not true for us. That's not how it works for me, at least. I think I'm more like 4%. But we're good. Miles, what have you got?

Yeah. So Pete, at the beginning of this episode, had kindly sent me a list of the shows that were on our fan bracket. You can join the Discord in the link down below if you would like to participate in that. But I didn't see it. And I was like, God damn it, Pete. You didn't do that. How am I supposed to...

But then I saw that you did. So I just picked something that I knew wouldn't be on there. It is a three-episode OVA from 2004. It's called The Portrait of Petite Cosette. It is a horror, psychological, sort of avant-garde thing. And it's sort of been on my to-watch list, but I also think it's something that would be fun to talk about. Because I kind of think...

I think it would be fun to talk about. Anyways, that's the first nom there. Alrighty. Jay, what about you? I'm going to nominate Granblue Dreaming. Just got announced another season of it, right? That's just Granblue. Oh, is it different? Granblue Dreaming is... Is that the mobile game? Nope. Nope. Oh, the manga's called Granblue Dreaming. The anime's just called Granblue. Oh.

no the anime is also called grand blue dreaming i'm looking at it right now yes it is um it's uh yeah grand blue grand blue dreaming okay great okay we got there because because of that error pete doesn't get a nomination no there's like a no i'm kidding you're thinking of grand blue like the fighting game yeah yeah there's like yeah there's some like crossover where it's just like it's like one's a normal show the other one's like the girls are ships or some shit like that

That's Azur Lane. That's Azur Lane, baby. Oh, man. Not that I ever put a ton of hours into that or anything. Of course not. I've done research on it because it was cool. Like, oh, they're named after like all the U.S. warships. They all have like similar stories and everything. It's pretty neat.

Yeah. All right, Pete, what have, uh, what have you got? I'm going to nominate one of the most controversial shows of 2019. And it's for a reason that you probably don't think it is. I'm going to be nominating the tennis anime stars align.

I've never heard of this. Never heard of it either. So I'm excited. I like tennis. Tennis is why was it controversial? I'll give you a hint. It's the same team that did wonder egg priority. Does it make the scums wish breaking bad ending? I'm excited. I'm excited. Take with that with what you will. He's

Alrighty. And I also as long as sorry, it's not the same team. It's like fucking same shit, whatever. Same studio. It's not the same. It's a lot of people. There's correlation. Sorry. Okay, great. You'll love to see it. We should expect the ending to solve nothing.

of the tennis anime there we go how do you not finish a tennis anime anyways it's fine wins or loses oh they're like that Wimbledon set that just keeps going on and on they keep trading yeah just at the end of the middle of a set it's just it's just

All right. And yeah, I'm going to nominate a show that I'm told I'm allowed to nominate this week or two weeks ago, whatever. I'm nominating Lazarus. I know some of us are still behind on that show. Some of us dropped it. And by the time you would be watching, we will be able to talk about it. So I'm super excited about it. I will watch it eventually on my own, but I would really love to talk about it because if someone dropped it and then picked it back up,

And then had to listen to me talk about how great it is. Man, I got some bad news for you. Yeah. No, I know it could be shit, but it would be fun. The Discord has dropped it. Yeah, no, that's usually a good sign. But wouldn't it be fun? Okay, let's do the whole bit of why we nominate Citrus. Wouldn't it be fun to watch something that we don't like? You know, let's do that. There we go. Let's do Lazarus. Well, only you don't like Citrus. Everybody else likes Citrus.

I don't think I would like citrus. I actually think I think you would love citrus. We will honestly eventually find out. Yes, we will. It is. Yeah. All right. But yeah, there's my nomination. Vote for it, please. Or vote for any of the other shows. I think that we put four strong candidates up, including mine. Totally. Yeah. Happy pride. And that wraps up Watch Club.

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