Sugar Apple Fairy Tale Discussion & Review | Anime Watch Club
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Hello ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Anime Watch Club, a bi-weekly group discussion and review where the hosts of the Wastey Anime Podcast nominate and vote on shows that we haven't seen or shows that hopefully lead to a great discussion. On today's episode, the Scarecrows of the Wastey Anime Podcast will be reviewing the first season of the 2023 anime Sugar Apple Fairytale. Let's meet today's confectioners. There we go. First up, he got away with his Walter White type shit by claiming it was a sugar convection. We got Jay. Jay, how's it going?

you know my name is lord infamous but you can call me scarecrow real ones will get that reference sounds good scarecrow our first moderator tonight jonas only has one favorite on mal and it's this guy we got miles miles how's it going i'm carrying the wheel that's um from my name is jonas by weezer oh i was like i don't get that at all i got it thanks man

I didn't mean to leave you out to dry. I just legit had no idea what point you were trying to make. I thought shit froze, if I'm being honest. It actually did freeze on my end, too, which is even funnier knowing now that nothing actually happened when it froze. I'm not even kidding. Like, it lagged. It's crazy.

Get ready, Pete, because there's going to be a few of these. All right. Sounds good. I know some Jonas Brothers, but not a whole lot of. You know what? I'll talk about a Waffle House in a bit. Okay. Sounds good. And then the voice you heard before. That's Pat. Hello.

Yeah, let's do Sugar Apple Fairytale for Watch Club today. Again, as Pete mentioned, it's from 2023, or more specifically, the winter 2023 season, done by studio JC staff, known for, I don't know, for me, it was at least Konosuba, Saiki Kei, Bakuman, our names I recognize, Revolutionary Girl Utna is on there as well. So a bunch of very famous anime. And yeah, it is a shoujo sourced from a light novel with...

the theme of visual arts and genres of adventure, drama, fantasy, and romance. So let's do our first impressions. Jay, why don't you start us off, first few episodes, and whether you'd recommend it or not. Yeah, so the first few episodes of this I feel like present a pretty interesting world, a world where fairies and humans coexist or once coexisted, but it said that the humans rose up against the fairies and then kind of like...

brought it back to them and enslaved them. So you got like this really sort of interesting world building presented in the first three episodes that I really enjoyed. I thought that the music in the first couple episodes also is really what drew me in as well as the dub English dub voice acting, which was pretty good.

The only thing I will say is that if you're watching the English dub of this on Crunchyroll, just go ahead and turn those subtitles off. They are unwatchable. They are blatantly lying to you with those AI-generated subtitles. But other than that, I found it to be pretty pleasant. The character designs were pretty solid. I especially liked the sort of like...

mixed color hair that they have going on on top. I'm always a big fan of that. So yeah, I would say that I would recommend this to most people. Although I think that if you're somebody who is looking for something a bit more actiony, you probably won't really jive with this that much. Makes sense. Makes sense. All right, miles. What about you? Yeah, I was excited to finally get to watch this. This is something I had wanted to watch since the season aired, but also I

I have to be a little picky on what I watch because of time. And so I was glad to finally get around to it. I had a pretty good time. I think it's an enjoyable little story. It's got a good amount of like drama and has some like cute shoujo-y moments and everything. If you're someone who out there who likes attractive men, let me tell you about this show. There's a good amount of them.

And I also thought it was refreshing to have a fantasy setting where the MC didn't own a slave. And that was an option. What a strange predicament to find ourself in. But at a good time, I would probably echo Jay's thoughts. I do think there's like, I mean, there's like very minimal action in this, but it's not like completely actionless. It's a good little fantasy world. I think it's worth watching. All right, Pete, what about you?

So this is my rewatch and I'm sort of in the same camp as everybody else. I think the word that I'll be using a lot is enjoyable. Um, I know miles mentioned it. There's a lot of enjoyable moments and scenes in this show that stood out to me, but overall, um,

Like, I think that they're trying to do something that just doesn't click with me personally. We'll be bringing up later. But like, as a grown ass man, like 34 years old, I don't think I'm the right demographic for this show. And I don't think normally these are shows that I can find fun with and find things I really enjoy.

And this one just didn't have like the one thing that I really liked about it. So, but I would still recommend it because I do think it has a lot of good things going for it. I don't think it's like fundamentally bad in any way. I do think like the world building was good. Like Jay mentioned, I think the dialogue is fun. They do some things that I enjoyed and like sort of the message for the end of season one, I was a fan of, but man, I think that this, this is like a show where I don't think you need a rule of three. I think you need like,

a seven episode on this one because i think it's kind of a tale of two stories in the first season and i definitely gravitated more towards the second half of this story but i would still say i would recommend it it's in no way is this show bad it's just not for me yeah and me uh i'm gonna echo pete almost entirely there i also agree that the second half of the show for me i enjoyed a

more than the first half pretty solidly. I would say I was really dreading continuing to watch this after the first few episodes. And also like what Pete just said, it's not because it's poorly made, poorly written, poorly done in any way. It, I was struggling so much to enjoy this show as a 27 year old male that is in a stable relationship. Like I, and like,

Like, I just don't, it was not clicking for me at all. And it's not at the fault of the show. I'm just clearly not who this show was trying to go after. And that's fine. So I think I'm going to be caveating a lot of what I say or any criticism I have tonight with, it's just not for me. And that's okay. And I'm okay with that. So I would recommend this if you like Shoujo, or if you feel like this is a show that was made for you, which is really dope.

Stupid recommendation. But... The hell's ass recommendation right there. I'm glad Kat is still here in spirit. Yeah, no, but like... Like, if you see the world and are like, oh, it's beautiful and it's a shoujo, I'm gonna like that, then yes, you will like this show. Like, it belongs being recommended to someone like that versus...

Yeah, like, can you imagine a shonen bro talking about this show? Like, oh my god, how painful that would be. So if you look at this and say to yourself, like, eh, then I would not recommend it. I wouldn't say that it's, like, a genre-breaking or surpassing story or, uh...

or piece of media you know it's not cowboy bebop where you're gonna love it no matter what kind of media you like or anything along those lines so i wouldn't yeah so that those are my that's my half recommend half not i would say uh i feel like it's like one of those shows where you can look at the cover of the show and be like yeah i like this type of show or not like immediately like do you like pretty colors and fairies because if you do you'll fucking love this show

Yeah, I agree. I was very unsold on the show when we got it. I'm glad I watched it. I'm glad I can talk about it. I think there's a lot to praise about it. But for me, in terms of enjoyment, it was not there. I was pretty bored watching the show. And that's okay. We'll get into why that's okay now. So, Miles, do you have your first talking point that you want to bring up? Or was it Pete who's going to go first? Do you want me to go first? Do you want to go first, Miles?

uh let's have let's have you go first okay i think that works because i can kind of transition to it where this is like the first time in a very long time because i love watching shoujo properties and usually there's things that i can connect to or find fun with you know like something like kageki shoujo where it's like 98 a female cast and like i love everybody and i can gravitate towards something like that this sugar apple fairy tale to me just seems like is a show specifically made for like

12 year old girls who are going through like a pixie phase a um super hot like i don't know how to the stoic fairy guy like shaw is like a very specific type of twilight twilight yes something along those lines like it's it's exactly like that where this is just like i'm all for more dudes watching shoujo this is like the first show that i watch i'm like

This is not for dudes like straight up. I think there's like cooler moments towards the end with like, you know, like and fighting through the misogyny and all this stuff that she has at work and stuff like that. That's a great message to send like girls and stuff like that. I think it's important for guys to understand that as well. But like the first like seven episodes to me was just like a fantasy daydream that like

like a, a twilight girl falls in love with like a fictional character for the first time. Shawl is radiates first love, fictional energy to me. I don't know if anybody else got that, but first time in a long time that I felt something like this.

Did the fact that he's a slave as well impact that at all? You know, like that was kind of weird. Was it not? I mean, how the world established it. I don't think it was like as big of a deal. I guess I'd agree with that. I would agree that the world established it in a somewhat reasonable way. Yeah. At the end of the day, she still owns him. You know, like only for episode one. But she doesn't really treat even treat him. Yeah. Immediately. No, she but she still has to give him.

or i think the orders thing was him seeing like testing her to see if she is like other humans and the fact that she had the fact that she has a like he's doing it partially because he's just a dick and because he's testing her and the fact that she hesitates that lets him kind of like see her differently than other humans who wouldn't hesitate to just like you know

grab the wing and command him or whatever i do think that it was a little uncomfy i do agree with you pat like i i didn't really like the the crush my way uh command me and crush my wing aspect of it like but from a sort of like character perspective i think it made sense to me is the thing it wasn't shield hero i'll just put it that way yeah

That's not saying much, though. But fair enough. I get what you're saying, though. Unfortunately, in anime, there are levels to slavery. It's like I hate that we have to have that conversation. But like the fact that like Shaw held on to his wing and gave it to Bridget towards the end, like it's not as bad. But yeah, I get it. Well, I guess like that's my thought. Like she she basically like never uses the.

the mechanism in which the enslavement, right? It would be like if now for me to continue the metaphor, never used the slave crest on Raftalia, right? But that's not what happens. I honestly think if, if I were to compare this to another anime or manga, it would be like Inuyasha. Yeah.

Where, like, in Inuyasha, Kagome has the ability to tell Inuyasha to sit, and he will, like, collapse to the ground. It's done for comedic effect, but it is something he... Because he's a dog demon or whatever. I think that this is... Like, I got such Inuyasha vibes from this, honestly, in a lot of ways, except he's more of, like, a Shishomaru type, I guess. But, like, it just felt very similar in terms of, like, their relationship, like,

and that sort of thing which i think inuyasha is a lot of people's like first fictional love a lot of girls especially 100 and so i don't know like that i guess maybe i was kind of uh like vaccinated against this by watching like all of inuyasha on toonami when i was younger so that's a really good comparison

I agree. That is a good one. Yeah, and the slavery thing wasn't that big of a deal to me. It's just weird. It's a weird mechanism to set up a story in the first place, which from an off-putting perspective, I guess. Well, I think genuinely in this work, it is viewed as a bad thing, which is- Oh, of course, yes. The author's not advocating for it. Because that is not-

That's not always what happens. You know, sometimes we get a whole, you know, thing on that. And, you know, so I guess for me that that's like enough and it differentiates Anne, right? Like it shows her

sort of compassion and everything that she's willing. And, you know, she has the, whatever the opposite of the kick the dog moment is like right at the beginning where she protects Mithril, like, and she's like willing to stand up and do that. So it's just showing her sense of justice. I think that's good. Jay, you have some more stuff to add on this.

Yeah, I think that like the sort of relationship between humans and fairies and the world building around that, I wish that that was something that kind of got expanded upon more. I wanted more like just of the fairy lore in general. I think that it was one of the more interesting parts of the show, like them revealing that fairies are born from like energy collecting and objects and living things, observing it. Like I thought that that was so neat and like to have this like kind of magic system set up around that.

was really interesting to me. And I don't know about you guys, but it felt like they just kind of threw it to the wayside more so to like, like,

It's just there to have drama with the characters. It's not like there to serve as like actual world building in a lot of ways. Like sure, people are racist against Shao or whatever and like call him like a companion fairy because he's not brawny or whatever. But I just I wish that they would have gone more into like the King Cedric, the entertainer stuff and that sort of thing. I thought that was a really strong part of the show that they could have expanded upon.

When you said he's not brawny, I just immediately went to... Brawny James. Like, in my head, I was like, well, no shit, he's not brawny. Like, no one is. Shala Shal, drafted by the Los Angeles Lakers. He's a nepo baby, for sure. LeBron has his wing nepo baby. It's just LeBron crushing the wing of his GM. You will draft my son.

Why is Shaw such a good shooting guard? Why? Because he's gray on the wing. My thought on that, James, that is something that's going to be expanded on because to me it sort of seemed like the initial mythos that we have received is a lie. And so I don't know. But

to me, like her making her final piece and like hearkening to the old relationship that the fairy King and like the human King had and how they were like friends and how that maybe eventually fell apart. It looked like they were adding stuff to be laid out as you go further into the series. You know, I mean, and you know, I don't expect it to be like, you know, to have similar really in depth or anything like that. Sure. You know, but as far as like,

you know young adult fantasy series or something like that you know like maybe a rag on death or something like that you said a rag on yeah that's aragorn whatever it is i don't know that's like america that's like naruto that's like naruto level yeah that one's rough that that was a i almost didn't i should have just said prescindure because i can say that correct

I almost didn't know what you were talking about. That's how wrong it sounded in my head. Like, oh my goodness. Who knows? Maybe you're right. Maybe you're right. Who knows? We don't know. There's definitely not a movie about it or anything. Yeah, there we go. I purged that from my memory, though. So...

You know, I think there is sort of room to I don't necessarily think it's put at the wayside. I think it's put on the low burner, if that makes sense. Like, I don't think it's going to be skipped. I think it's going to be slow rolled out. Yeah.

I think it would be... Sorry, go ahead. No, I was just going to say, I want the Napoleonic Wars of fairies and people. You know, I want that. That's like what I come to a show for. So like at the end of the day, like it makes sense that I don't like the show as much because of something like that. Be letting Pat know that season five of Sugar Fairy Tales is an entire Napoleonic War arc. And he's like, you've got to skip to that then. I would. I would. I would. If it's like a whole manga flashback to the war...

absolutely i'm in but jay go ahead sorry whatever slime coon or whatever has uh boardroom meetings for wars you guys are not for it but you you want that for sugar apple fairy tale all right yeah because that lasted seven episodes of people just talking in a boardroom and that shit was boring as fuck

I didn't get past episode one of that show, so I don't know. I didn't get past the cover art for it, so there we go. I'm sure it's enjoyable. Yeah, I do judge a lot of books by its cover. I wish I judged more. That's how you're supposed to judge books. There's a whole multiple paragraphs to give you an idea if you should.

It's like marketing is like what you're supposed to do. It's like the psychology. Yeah, we just talked about judging Apple Sugar Fairy Tale by its, I keep wanting to call this Happy Sugar. It's a hard name, honestly. It is a difficult name. Yeah, I call it,

Happy sugar life, which is it's not. And then I always confuse these two. I also flip apple and I call it apple sugar fairy tale like a lot instead of sugar apple. Oh, dude, I've been saying apple sugar fairy tale like a lot. I think it's it's it's tough. So our apologies for that. Yeah, I don't know. It's four nouns in a row. That's a that's not English. Four nouns in a row.

sugar apple sugar fuck i can't even thinking about it i still do apple sugar sugar is like a it's an adjective yes it is sugary would be adjective sugar sugar apple well yeah but nouns can function as adjectives um and this is my favorite english language i'm just saying technically the word sugar is a noun it can be other things so is apple

So is fairy. That's why I'm giving this a three. Yeah, I know. It's not a three. I didn't give it a three to be very clear too. I was going to talk about how there's this thing called no adjectives in Japanese, which are basically just nouns that act as adjectives. But then I just realized the Japanese name is just sugar apple fairy tale. Nevermind that it's actually not applicable here.

I want to circle back to Pete's point here. We're so off track. That's okay. I was like, this is good. Just fucking run with it. What are we talking about? We were talking about, Pete had made a point and then we talked about slavery for like 20 minutes. And I'm circling us back because it actually ties into Jay's latest point too and I guess how I mildly disagree with it because I'm someone who often doesn't

Really? And not that this isn't a romance, but like...

I like my shoujo to be like my happy marriage or this, right? I like these fantasy elements. I also like my shounen like this and my seinen and anything. I just like fantasy. I think that's what I know. But to me, this is easier for me to connect with than something like a sign of affection or something like that. And part of that is because I just enjoyed the fantasy world that they lived in and the little lore drops we got and

I thought the politics were like a little middling, but they did try doing some, you know, like political intrigue stuff with the Duke arc and all of that. And I thought, I thought that was pretty interesting. Like that's what kept me engaged. Like I even liked these beginning episodes just for the like,

you know, that you guys were saying you were like a little bored with at the intro. Like I, I think my least favorite arc was the Duke one. And I'd like to talk about that later. Um,

But I just sort of liked the whole, like, I thought they did, like, travel well. You know, they got attacked, like, by bandits and stuff. The inn was pretty interesting and, like, the communal meals and stuff they eat. I've also been watching a lot of YouTube videos on, like, medieval life where some guy, like, demonstrates how stuff would have happened. So maybe I'm just, like, really in this vibe currently. And so I just, you know, watched it at the right time or whatever. But it did, like, a pretty good job of, like, setting up that

that sort of world. And I liked that a lot. I do understand, you know, like, like Pete's point, because a lot of it really is, you know, we have very Edward Cullen here for, for people, people to like, it was more interesting to me, if anything, I don't know. I was, I,

He's Kirito Sephiroth the Hedgehog. He literally has Shadow the Hedgehog's backstory. Yeah, I guess I wasn't expecting him to... One, I don't think he's the least interesting character in the world. I don't think he's particularly interesting, but I guess I just sort of accepted he was there to be hot. Yeah. And that's okay for me. That's fine. He's so hot, everyone's...

Yeah, okay, but I like that, right? Yeah, you said hot already, my bad. Yeah, yeah. You know, like a whole little character thing was he was so hot, everyone assumed he was a prostitute. Like that was a character trait of his. That was the most relatable part of the show for me. Fair enough. Everyone's like, oh, you must be banging this fairy because he's so hot. Yeah.

But I thought Anne was pretty interesting. I thought the Keith and Kat and their interactions is like... There's some backstory there. They export each other's bodies. I wouldn't doubt it. It was pretty interesting. I don't think Shao is the most interesting character in it, but I think there are enough characters that are...

minor way interesting you know who isn't interesting though jonas do we want to talk about jonas oh jonas welcome to fuck jonas the edition right here on the podcast do i get to have a hot take

You like him? What's the hot take? Were you like a big fan of Jonas? Were you like morally good? Jonas did the right thing throwing that bag of rotten meat at her. Pat would have done the same thing. All right, yeah, I guess my hot take then was, yeah, Jonas did nothing wrong. That's insane. That might be the worst take you've ever had on the pod, actually. He tried to kill her. God actually froze Pat.

for saying you'll leave this in trend if you know what's funny you froze for me so it's like you guys are all the ones who are wrong it's totally not me and it's yeah i see now no no i was i was very much i was doing the rachel did nothing wrong bit except like that's not a bit for me but like you know like this one is a bit rachel rachel did less wrong than jonas did

Oh, significantly less. She did nothing wrong versus Jonas. Yeah, no, Jonas is awful. I mean, I thought when I saw you guys saying stuff earlier in this week about Jonas, I was like, oh, he can't be that bad. And during that first episode, too, you know, before he got kind of all kissy kissy when she didn't want it.

I was kind of like, oh, he's just like a endearing childhood friend that is trying his best and isn't picking up the message. I was like, is this what we're freaking out about? And then, of course...

What I just said happened. The, what you said about the throwing the bag of me stealing her work, being a bad person throughout the mood of the show that all kicked in. And it's like, okay, yeah, no, he is. He did a lot wrong. So to be very clear. Yeah. I was joking there. We're just even self-preservation scale. Like obviously Char did nothing wrong in your opinion. When he blew up that guy, he didn't just blow up the guy. He blew up a ship full of other innocent people too. Don't forget about that part. Well, he didn't really blow it up.

It was other people, but yeah. That's also true. He saved himself, right? Yeah. It was a self-preservation moment. Yeah, Jonas never had a self-preservation. Jonas could have just been a successful chef, not the best ever, but just fine. Or even better, he could have just been a rich prick's kid and lived like that in their medieval times for the rest of his life instead of attempting murder and...

I mean, essay of for sure in a way. I mean, again, that that scene is messy and but also not overdone, which I appreciated, like not overdone in the sense of like over dramatize. It happens and it's like, no, this is very clear and not what I want. And then, yeah, whatever else he did, I guess. Yeah. Like you said, he redeemed himself at the end a little bit. But yeah, he could have just not been over.

him be really nice we're a fuck Jonas podcast that's right yeah I said it I said it first actually so brave I think I actually said it about two years ago I'd love to see the discord receipts I'd be funny if we could find them yeah we'll search it up yeah

No, no, I like put it in over my face right now as I lag anyways still too. Like that'd be really funny if you actually have receipts of you saying like F this guy from 2023, which wouldn't surprise me because our discord goes way back all the way to 2020. Okay, shout to Sora February 4th, 2023 at 449 was the first person to say fuck Jonas. I was the second. So Sora gets credit for fuck Jonas.

I love it. A good thing about the show, I would say, is that I... Like, having had all of the fuck Jonas, like, hearing this for two years, right? I think they did a good job of setting him up to be an absolute fucking scumbag. Yeah. Because I think if you have not watched this, you know, the pat take of he's just sort of the obnoxious, never-going-to-win childhood friend who can't beat Kirito, right? Like, that feels...

though he does, I will say, knowing that Fuck Jonas season is upcoming, right? Puxatawney Phil has not seen his shadow and we're getting an early Fuck Jonas season. I know that... That was funny. That was really good. It took a second, but I got it. That was good. That his...

His particular brand of childhood friend is a little more sinister and obnoxious, and you can kind of get the sense that he's doing it for his own potential gain, really. He's Ooshie!

Yeah. Yeah. Was she, was she, was she, um, I always got the sense that he wanted Anne maybe potentially out of the picture. And that's why he like wanted to marry her as to like, get her to not compete with him in a cooking fashion. Yeah. And that's not like ever explicitly stated or anything, but like, I did get that. Like, I thought his shitty little motivations were relatively well, um,

brought out. The only issue that I had is Anne, frankly, was too nice to him down the road by not pushing him out a window. Yeah, exactly. And I'm the psychopath. Okay, there's levels. He keeps doing it. If he had just gone the fuck away after the first incident, sure. But after she keeps showing up places that he has shown up and he's lied about her for like

You know, weeks on end. He's talking about that sweet shit. Like, legitimately, he just talks about it to fucking everybody. Everybody he encounters first is like, you're the one who set Jonas up. Fuck that guy. He, like, immediately goes on, like, damage control. He gets ahead of all of it. He's like a YouTuber that's, like, tricked everyone until, like, a twit longer comes out or something. Like, if we want to be, if we want to time it, he's the Carl Jobs of our...

our far show pat what would your recommendation for jonas be for him to get ahead of this if you were his talent agent what would you tell him to do in this situation

uh delete all social media that isn't professional and uh hit the gym hit yeah no yeah just come back six pack yeah lawyer well actually we would actually should lawyer up yeah no no doubt and yeah denounce publicly the uh

with a lawyer's permission and legal legal writing uh not chat gpts i would recommend that he denounces any affiliation with anybody that was involved as well with him on this stuff even though it's true so what about the notes what about a notes app apology only if it's written by okay do you think do you think he knows how to play the ukulele

That's a good one too. The toxic gossip train? Yeah. He would get Kathy to play the fucking ukulele.

Yeah, or like make an apology where he says, I'm sorry what happened, but never says he's sorry for what he did. He's just sorry that it happened. He's sorry that he got caught. Yeah, don't admit any blame. I apologize if my actions made you feel a certain way. That's exactly what I was going to say. I'm sorry you feel this way about what happened is like the classic, yeah, I'm not apologizing. So I guess one note that I was going to make that kind of clicked in my head

while we were sitting here talking about those, like, I think Jonas sees his relationship with Anne very similarly to how Anne sees her, or there's parallels between Anne's and Jonas's relationship. And then Anne and Chow's relationship, just in the sense of like, who's in power, who's like, man, I had a, like, I had a great way to explain it. Let me,

went five minutes talking about yeah because like based on what you said i strongly disagree with that no no like no no so it was more like they contrast each other or something no not contrast no i think they do parallel each other in the sense that or he wants them to parallel each other maybe is the way i better way to phrase it like well like so like ann lived with jonas for a while right and was like

Under his wings, so to speak, right? In a way, like, had nursed back to health, nursed back to whatever. Then, or Shall, whatever, Shallow, I'm going to call him because he's Shallow. And it kind of is on the same level with Shall, where she's nursing up to Shall a little bit, like learning from him. And they're symbiotic. They help each other out both a little bit, at least, right? But then...

Jonas is envious of the fact that Anne isn't for him. I think that that's where the relationship... I don't know, man. I had such a good... It was right there. It was right on the tip of my tongue. Yeah, well, instead of you making a good point, I had to make the world's 733rd ukulele joke, so I think we got the better content. You're right. I don't know. It's like parallel, but it's not...

No, I had a better word for it. And that's why it's not, this isn't making sense. Yeah. I don't know. I just thought that like they're the, the basis of their relationships or that's maybe that's a better way to phrase it. The basis of Jonas and Ann's relationship is very similar to the basis of Ann and shall's relationship at the start for both of them. Right. Where Jonas didn't necessarily buy Ann, but he certainly in,

She is indebted to him or tied to him because of that. Right. Chow is literally owned by Anne at the start. And obviously she frees him and their relationship changes from that point. Jonas is envious of that relationship because he foresaw his relationship evolving in the same way that their relationship is now. That make more sense.

Did it? I think, I think it does. I think we got there that like, even though there's like a similar basis, you can, you can see the differences in like how it is like progressed from. Well, yeah, obviously it changed completely. Like, and they, they evolve into different things. And that, that's my point is that like, I thought they did a good job setting up Jonas that way, where you can see where his brain is coming from. It's not just like maniacally evil, but,

But then you see why also their relationship doesn't go anywhere and why he is so envious, why he is so vindictive and evil and bad and wrong in the way that he treats her and interacts with her. I don't know. I hope I made sense there. Either way, it doesn't matter if I did. Who cares? I think I get it because I think in a sense, I think Jonas thinks he owns Anne.

And like the fact that she like rebels against like his actions is why I think he kind of goes over the top, but then he sees and sort of, I'm gonna put this in quotation owning shawl and being like, Oh, she's doing the same thing that I did. And it's okay.

why is it when i do it i'm the bad guy even though he is the bad guy so i i think i'm kind of getting like the the comparisons between the two a little bit that is what i was trying yeah good well put pete that is that is the example i was going to use too actually so thank you yeah i don't know i think that there's uh good character writing overall for their relationships and

I wish we got more in depth about shall. I'm sure we will. I'm sure we shall in later arcs, but I don't know if there was enough for me to be interested, like just off the rip right now, you know, like, am I so interested in his backstory that I'm going to watch more on my own? Probably not. Yep. But yeah,

uh i don't know if you said pete sounds like you agree that's almost like the um it's gonna be like a minor spoiler for like the end but like when i finished watching this the first time around and it was announced i was getting a second season i thought that what i got from 12 episodes was enough um like i i didn't really earn like

Like, I didn't really care to find out more about Shaw towards the end of it. Like, I think what they said was good and everything like that. It's just like, I don't think that there was enough there enough substance for me to want to continue. That's interesting. I'm usually on the opposite end of that from you. I'm usually like, I'm all for it. Cause like, yeah, normally I'm just like, I'm fine. And you're like,

I need 43 seasons. Well, man, maybe we could talk about where we get. I don't know. I know you had no talking point, but I wanted to talk about how you guys thought the pacing of the series was because there were a few moments where I felt it felt kind of rushed. Oh, see, look at me and Pat are different because I thought like, especially between the end of the initial contest arc and then like the Duke arc, um,

It felt like a lot of character development happened within that gap with Anne being able to let go of the fact that her mom had died and maybe a bunch of stuff with Shao and her relationship. But they literally just say a year happened and also they did these things. And like...

It sounds like I'm going to be a little bit alone on this. So take that for Israel. But I could have used some like sort of low down comfy adventures in that year where they go through this. Like I would have loved to see more about that festival where they like sent her mom's spirit away and everything like with the candles and the boats or whatever. And just like stuff like that, I found interesting and wish had been spent more time on. So I don't know what your thoughts on on that were.

I think I would have liked that too. Like everything that you just said, I would have liked, and it would have made it not feel so sleeper for me. You know, I think certain arcs dragged on long time that didn't really feel like they needed to versus other things that got skipped over. Like, like you said, they don't skip like a full year, but like almost a full year gets skipped, right? What the hell happened during that year? You know, how did she get better at her craft? What did she and shall, uh,

like talk about and get closer to each other or talking about and doing together like i don't know like i i think that certain arcs were complete or aspects were completely skipped over and just like you said remedied off screen which annoys me and makes it me less interested in the arcs that are happening on screen when it didn't really feel like things were changing internally for her you know like you said like that moment with the mother like again that the way that show is set up you would think that that would be like

The main arc, right? Like that would be the main talking point of this season is her coming to terms with her mother's loss.

And it really wasn't. So I, that, that's how I felt at least Pete, what have you got for it? So with me, it's one of these things where if they didn't announce that we were getting another part or another core, I wouldn't be have an issue with what they did in the season. But because that we had an additional season coming later, I think that I would agree. I think they could have stretched it out and got a little bit more out of sort of the storytelling that they wanted to present and

And we could, we could have gotten that. And then I guess I would have to think about how I would add, maybe this was like a, it would be like a 13 episode core instead of a 12 episode core. Cause I do think like one episode could have done a lot, but I'm in the same boat with like miles and you Pat, like I do think that it could have added a little bit more substance to maybe get a better feel of the world or the characters or the stories and the background of some of like the mom, like you said. So yeah, I agree with you guys.

I also agree with you guys. I think that like, I don't know, like I hate to be like, you know, guy who's only seen one show, Joe getting a whole lot of the one show Joe I've seen vibes from this, but if like, if I compare it to something like fruits basket, right. Where I'm like,

where Toru's backstory about her family and her mom is overarching with so many other characters, including her best friend, who is her mom's protege. You get so much just from the characters being interconnected like that, that I think it would have been interesting to be able to

expand upon that more maybe have it reach other characters sort of how like uh like we we sort of had that with the one guy who saw her mom at the at the fair was i don't was that jonas or cat i don't remember one of the two or was it hugh it was some pretty boy who saw her mom and was like i want to be a sugar artisan now like i think more stuff like that with different characters would have been interesting that was especially

Okay, thank you. Especially because like... I thought they were related at first. Yeah, I actually did. Simone, when we were watching it, was like, this is going to be her secret brother or some shit. I thought I did. And you know what? Maybe, because Hugh has to have secrets. Yeah. Whatever they are. But I just think with Shao being like 100 years old or whatever, you really could have... You had interesting opportunities to have him...

Like, you know, be involved with other things in the world building or have, like, different perspectives on things other than just, like, his general distaste for humanity and being a rude pretty boy. So, yeah, I agree with you guys wholeheartedly. I think about, you know, some anime, we call them a roller coaster where they move too fast and you can barely see what's going on. I think that this was kind of like a bullet train.

Where it is moving incredibly fast, but you barely notice it and it skips over so much that you fall asleep. That's a good way to look at it because that's how I felt. Again, I couldn't really dive into any specific thing because we were just moving along and there was no brakes on the train at all. So I guess...

That covers the talking points. Or do you want to respond? Yeah, well, I wanted to... So you guys had mentioned, I think, that you became more interested at the start of the Duke arc and going forward. I had some issues with the Duke arc. Specifically...

No one, no one ever, not a single person is dumb enough to not figure out that he was in love with that fairy from 27 minutes in. And we spent like three episodes of fucking Ann and everyone else Scooby doing that fact. I'm sorry.

No fucking duh, Anne. And everyone else. It was Dora the Explorer type shit, honestly. Like, and then like, oh, maybe I should ask him about that. That's why this was weaker to me, where like the other mysteries, I felt like

Where things were like, you could, there were different potential solutions, right? So like when her sugar gets stolen the second time, it could have been Bridget. It could have been, you know, the guys who are working on this. It could have been maybe someone who she thought was an ally that's happened to her before, you know, for this one, this one was.

I don't know. There were strong parts of this with like the setup and like her learning to hone her craft more. And I like liked that. And I liked the political stuff that was happening there. But like the final realization being like, wait a minute, this guy was in love with this person that he's obsessed with, who is now dead, who he has a fucking portrait of in his house. Come on.

come the fuck i did really one episode one episode yes and i did i did like him revealing that he was trying to bring her back to life i thought that was an interesting aspect and tie-in of like how fairies are made in the world but overall that's why that was my least favorite little mini arc here i guess was because it's like christ can i say something about that

It was just a bad version of the one episode of Heavenly Delusion. That's all there was. All I got to say about it. Even down to having a mean, blonde, gaunt guy. Like,

Just a worse version of that shit. It's a bad version of Pet Sematary. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I think that if this was done well, you could have had this be a season arc or something. If it was done well, if the Duke was like... There's a lot of ifs and buts about it. It could have been done well, I think, and it just didn't hit the mark, and it makes it feel more drawn out.

but i think that like if it was done well you could have easily had this been like most of the season just exploring like that sort of thing like it reminds me of like something like this world reminds me a lot of like the witcher or something like that and the duke feels like a character from like that sort of world a very believable sort of grieving man and i think that

Just because of the fact that they try to present it as a mystery, like Miles said, when it's very obvious, that takes away from it for me. But obviously it's children's media, so I don't know. Maybe I'm just like... No, children's media can do... Like, genuinely, like...

You can do children's media better than they do it. They deserve better. I do agree. I do agree. In like various different arcs of this, there is better versions of this sort of thing. I think if you had the Duke be married, but maybe it was like an arranged marriage and they figure that out and they figure out that they're not super in love with each other. Like give reasons for her to not immediately think they were in love.

And for whatever reason, like it would still be kind of obvious, but like, if you, if you put some sort of like, he's already married to like a human woman and they slowly figure out that like he was forced to because of this political pressure that's been being put on him or whatever. And he wasn't really into, you know, you can, you can make this have the same conclusion and an interesting mystery, I think. And they, and they just didn't, which is unfortunate. I guess, but at the same time, like,

I can't believe I'm defending again, but like to, to, to, to help, to give the show the benefit of the doubt here. Like it, it said multiple times in the show that it's taboo or weird for them for an elf and a elf. God, what am I saying? A fairy and a human to be romantically involved, not,

like in a you know the companionship but in like a romantic actual loving way and it also parallel it parallels what ann and shall are kind of going through too whereas where she's also questioning does she love him i guess he is too apparently because he takes the fall for her whatever like even though she doesn't have to like you know it's implied we don't really hear shall's thoughts very often but like you see his actions and obviously again from an omniscient

omnipotent perspective of our own where we know like no shit they're gonna get end up together like it's a romance but like in the world I can see it not necessarily being something that like immediately comes to mind

all while agreeing with you. Yeah, that's like crazy. You know, I'm going to have to agree with you. Good point. I do think that that's true. That's not a normal romance in this world. However, our main character is someone who definitely wants to fuck a fairy. So she should figure it out. We also have the lore that Kathy wants to bang Jonas. And we also have the lore from the church that the reason why like people hate women is because of like,

the fairy relationship of Adam and Eve in their world. Okay. This was a minor problem that I had the original creation myth, which also unfairly blames women in like Christianity has apples baked into it. You didn't need to change it. You should have just used the apples. It was right there. It was like,

I was really excited when they did Adam and Eve because I was like, oh, they're going to use the biblical Garden of Eden apple. And then they changed the story. And I was like, God fucking damn it. Literally. Yeah. I was like, what a minor upset in my mind that ruined the show. I didn't really.

But I think that that was interesting. Like, that is a good point, too, right? There's stuff there about, like, you know, the woman falling in love with the fairy, like, at the beginning of time or whatever. Well, I think it made her... Again, it just gave them a moment for Anne to develop...

as a character and be like, oh, it is love that I'm feeling for him. If another human is also feeling it, I'm not the only one that feels this way or whatever. Like, I believe that it's real. So that's where, and I guess that that would answer why I enjoyed this arc or this part of the show more than the beginning where it kind of just, I don't know, I guess it was slightly changing the topic or continuing the conversation here just before we get to closing thoughts. But like, we kind of touched on it with the other stuff, but I was just so bored. Yeah.

so so bored of the dialogue between a lot of the characters I felt like the relationships were cool and like how they along throughout the arcs was interesting I guess if that makes any sense but the dialogue themselves when they were just talking to each other like

It felt like the cringy, like, how you been, Loka? Or where you been, Loka? Like that kind of dialogue where I was just sitting there like, oh my God, here we go again. They're going to, will they, won't they? What are they talking about? Are they aware? Like that kind of stupid stuff that I guess my boy brain doesn't process well, apparently. So I, the most, how are you doing, Loka moment for me was when she was running with Keith and Keith was like,

like running is like a good way to like leave. And I actually kind of liked that. It's a little cheesy when they're just like sprinting and having like shoujo eyes at each other. But I kind of liked the idea of like leaving. And I also, and we need to, we have to talk about it a little bit. Cause I typed it multiple times in the chat.

NTR's art I really dug the whole Bridget oh I need to talk about this that is rad with you no like I liked the drama in it Bridget is obviously a fucking psychopath but I liked Bridget's

That they like double because I thought it was going to be like they double tricked me. One, I thought it was going to be in the sense of one miscommunication, right, where she gets upset seeing Chow and Bridget hug. But Chow is going to talk to her about it and then saw her and Keith having a moment. And I was like, this makes more sense for the lack of communication if there's a double one. And then they just sort of talked it out anyway.

It was like, oh, okay. They got me twice. All right. We were also surprised they talked it out. We wait for a hot take edition. Yes. Bridget is the best character in the show. I'll take it. I loved Bridget. She is the definition of shooting your shot and taking it any way possible.

She knows she has money and power and she's like, I hate my husband or my fiance. I don't want to be with this doofus. Holy shit. Look at this hot ass fairy. I'm a manipulate. I'm a force him to love me. I was like, you go girl. That's girl. All right there. Can I, can I counterpoint here? You cannot. Damn it. If I were, if I were allowed to counterpoint, then what I would say is, um,

Is that not literally what Jonas tries to do at the beginning of the show that we all loathe him for? There is a big difference between the two.

Bridget I like Bridget and I don't like Jonas there we go okay that's it one is as like sexual assault the other is slavery so like you know damn I just gotta say when it comes okay when I say I like the second half better it's this arc I think what Bridget added to the drama was so much fun like this is what like it was starting to get a little a little spicy this is why I like it and it also had like

I did like the message with, and with her being in this workforce filled with dudes and they all fucking hate her. And she's just like, I'm gonna do my own shit. Like I hate y'all. And she's like, I'm all like all these standards that you had for women. I'm gonna do it. And like, I like that message as well that, that they included with it. But Bridget just added that level of spice that I was looking for the entire time for this show. I love her. Yeah.

I like the spice that she added. I don't like her. She's just hot now for me. I can't rebuttal this. I got nothing. You're right. But like something about there. Like she's like,

It's like a level of desperation where she wants to get out so bad. Like, any means necessary. She must fucking hate her fiance. Ichika is my second favorite Quint. So I don't have room to throw stones. You like snakes. I like it with Shooter Shoot. Now, is trying to trick someone to go on a date with you way...

Less evil than literally buying an object. So you can cause them pain unless they sleep with you. Let's not bring in ethics and morals into this conversation. My apologies. That's a fair point. I guess hashtag team Bridget then. Yes. You heard it. Clip it.

But this is part of the reason I'm excited to watch season two, because I think we should talk about where this show ends. And this was like, this is the type of show where if it didn't have a season two, I feel like Pat would be mad, like viscerally angry, where it just ends with Anne desperately trying to get shell back after Bridget takes them away and failing. It's it ends on a downer note. And I was not expecting that. I

I thought all of this would be tied away. I don't know what anyone else thought. I literally said out loud, that was a psychotic way to end a season. I said, I typed that. I typed like the exact same thing. Yeah.

I thought it was weird, too. I didn't expect it. I thought, oh, she got her badge, and then, okay, well, now let's see what adventure they start to embark on next. How are they going to get close and then go next? But it reminded me, now here we go on my...

Member Barry train here. Like, it reminded me a lot of the end of the first like major arc of Kenshin, where essentially the same thing. Well, not the same thing happens. Kenshin essentially embarks on a mission because he feels he has to and leaves behind everybody. Like all the people that he had just started to get close to. It feels very similar in the sense that Char does the same thing.

Not really a mission, more of a... A char, Jesus Christ. This show would be so much better if Char was the fairy. I agree. No, you're right. He would have just killed Bridget's ass on his way. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, he would just show the fucking... She'd be like, okay, I'm in the carriage waiting for you. And he would be walking up to it and it would just explode.

he's walking slow yeah yeah so so shall i should say yeah like it's very similar in that sense where uh and and that's how the first arc ends so it's like you're like and a certain manga uh volume ends as well so you're like whoa cliff that's a weird downer thing to end on like it's weird it doesn't feel right but again that's knowing that oh that's essentially the prologue of the story done so i guess that's how i looked at this as more of like a prologue

or build up to the next part versus and at least there's like it was foreshadowed or shown to be possible versus like it's just like oh cut off in the middle of the episode and

cliffhanger for the sake of a cliffhanger. It felt like it was there to build that tension and make it make sense for the next season too. It was a coming down point of the story. I don't know. I'm sure there's plenty of examples people are thinking of right now where I've said the opposite about endings of being like

left open-ended and I would probably agree with you still on all of those two this one just didn't feel as offensive or or and maybe it's just like the content of it or the type of show it was but it didn't nag at me the right the same way that others have I'm in the same boat yeah I also think knowing that there's more right like you know that if you want to figure out what will happen you can you don't have to and so maybe it's closed for you but you

If you want to, you can. And like the option matters, right? I was about to say, maybe it's also the fact that I don't really care what happens next, that I'm not annoyed. That's the winner, right? That probably helps a lot too. Almost certainly, almost certainly has a huge impact on the fact that I'm not like, well, I do.

yeah i don't know if someone wants to watch it for me and tell me what happens next i'll listen to them talk about it for 17 minutes max that'll be my number damn okay okay very specific you know i didn't want to be like mean and say five minutes because you know what there could be some good stuff that happens but i also not sitting for a half an hour listening to more about sugar apple fairy tale what if it's 30 minutes but you listen to it on two acts

Then that would be 15 minutes. So that would work out. I'll record that and then you can listen to it how you like to consume media. So bad. That's so mean. I have watched almost three whole seasons of Yellow Jackets in the last week on my own at 1x speed on Paramount. Not on my own with the

actually but i i have watched an entire and those are hour-long episodes that's like 30 hours of media that i've watched and you're better than my friend nick who doesn't watch it to x speed but will skip dialogue he finds boring at least i watch everything yeah no like i do and i will rewind if i miss something too when i'm watching things at a faster rate like i don't know it

It is a fatal flaw of mine, and I understand that. But also, try watching Happy Sugar Life at one time speed, and you will... Look, I watched Bakuon at 1x. I watched Rokubo at 1x speed. Honestly, Pete, you should have cheated.

you haven't cheated i'm not one you should have cheated we're all gonna say you should cheat i am nothing but a man of my word i watch that shit on 1x all episodes sometimes sometimes the man needs to break his word and specifically watching i lie all the time but not to my boys yeah i never said i'd watch happy sugar life at one speed or one x or whatever it is um

God, that show is awful. Thank God we're not talking about that show on an episode. And I'm nominating Happy Sugar Life. Good thing you didn't lose the basketball bet.

I know. I know. Thank goodness I didn't flip a coin for every first round matchup. Shout out to Tyler for that. That was bold. Shout out to Tyler for making it so that I felt confident to pick UConn to win it all on the men's side of things. On the women's side of things, that would have been a good bet, by the way, if we really want to get down into it. We do not. We actually want to get to final thoughts. Do we want to move on to final thoughts? Oh, yeah, we do.

Really? Okay. Yeah. Then let's move on to final thoughts. Wow. Wink, wink. Okay. Yeah. No, no. Obviously. Yeah. I'm done talking to Jay. What have, what have you got for final thoughts and a final score?

So my final thoughts on this are that it was pretty good. I thought that the voice acting and like sound design were pretty solid. I had a good time with that. The character designs, I really enjoyed them. I thought that like the use of like CGI for the sugar stuff was actually like pretty interesting and a good way of capturing the sort of depth that they were trying to give it. I just wish that like...

I think this show is pretty broad but shallow, and I would have preferred it to just be a little deeper in exploring both the characters and the worldbuilding and that sort of thing. I think that, like I said in my opening thoughts, I think that they had a really good premise and a really good foundation for worldbuilding and how that could affect the characters, especially with...

the sort of like prejudice and slavery angle of it. And I just don't think it was really explored to its fullest potential. So for me, this is like a seven out of 10, seven out of 10. Sounds good. Yeah. And I, I agree that it's the, the broad, but shallow is a very good description for, for this show. I like the vibes, at least on my end, I I'm in a very similar boat, which would be a shitty boat to be in.

If something is broad, but shallow because you wouldn't go very far spitting bars over here now, miles, what have you got? Yeah, I had a good time with this. I can't really argue with any of the complaints that have been made.

But for me, I felt mostly just interested by it. Like, the shallow parts of the world I thought were interesting, and I would like to see them expanded. And I feel like they set it up as to be. You know, I didn't necessarily feel like it wasn't ever going to get addressed, but just that they were sort of giving us an overview of the world before going deeper anywhere specifically. I liked the characters. I liked their interactions. I think that...

The last arc was particularly good and drama filled. We got good sorts of melodrama and it sets up an interesting enough hook for season two. So for me, this was a very enjoyable eight out of 10, a lower one, but one none the less.

All righty. Pete, what about you? First of all, I give a shout out to the OP. I love OPs. I just like set the mood for the show and I felt like the OP was just like very sparkly and pretty and kind of like gallopy. I feel like I was riding a horse sometimes. Like I really like how it set the tone for the show. I'm purely basing this off of like what I watched and versus like my personal enjoyment because I don't think like structurally the show was bad. I,

I think the visuals are great. Like the color palettes that they use on people were fantastic. I think it definitely set the aesthetic of what it was going for this very magical world. I love the world idea of like this sugar conventions and like how they create it sort of like in so many different ways. Like it's a life source, but at the same time, it's like, I don't know, like a trophy and miles thinks it's hilarious or something, but like,

and he's sorry i'll i'll i'll explain i'll explain why in a second okay but um just not for me but i think there's just like a 7 out of 10 show like i think it was fine i really don't think it was bad i just don't think it's for me fair enough all right uh and yeah i'm i think if i were like just to go back to my opening thoughts like

I would recommend this to someone who likes shoujo. I think structurally the show is good, like Pete said, almost word for word. But I also think that it fits what it wants to be, which is a show targeted towards, generally speaking, young adult women. And I am not a young adult woman. What? So I know, breaking news. I'm sorry. So it did not hit for me.

So I have it at a six out of 10, but I do think some caveats there for one, it's probably one of my higher sixes in the sense that like, it's not bad. It really isn't bad. It's just not for me. So I think for my score, that's why it's lower. And, and two, I think if we get more depth on the things that like what we talked to a couple of guys have already said, like where it is shallow, uh,

If there's more depth added in the second season, and if I'm force-fed that or given my 17 minutes by miles of heaven, you know, knowing what the... I know, I'd be very lucky about this show, then maybe that could go up to like a seven for me. You know, like, I really... I don't feel... I feel mean giving it a six in like the thinking about it sense, but at the same time, like, I don't know. I...

I could have been a lot meaner in my head too. Like I, I worked really hard to find stuff I enjoyed and I did. So I appreciate that, but I had to work very hard to find it. It's just like, what if like love live had the production budget of attack on Titan? It's like, you could have like, it probably looks great, but I don't like love live. And so it's like, yeah, it's a great analogy for me. Yeah. Especially for me. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. I,

Don't care about basketball that much. And like, I can enjoy it sometimes, but not for me. Yep. Put me on the ice, man. Rather on the pitch, on the pitch.

All right. That adds up our total scores across the four of us to 28, which means some quick maths over here. Our average score is a 7.0 on the board. That is 0.47 below the mal average of 7.47. Yeah, I guess that wraps up our discussion of Sugar Apple, Fairy Tale Part 1 or Season 1. Miles, what are we watching two weeks from now?

really cool voting uh this week since we had so many uh nominations right so we had eight of them uh and we had a tie for first place so in third slash fourth place i guess was interspecies reviewers um so shout out to the community who didn't vote for that big fan uh it earns its first legacy point um

In second place was the saga of Tanya, the evil earning its second legacy point. Now we had a tie between Rose and maiden and high school of the dead for first place. Now high school that has an absolute fuck ton of legacy points. So that is what we will be watching. It finally happened where I was laughing. I need to tell this when Pete was saying his thing, I knew this was coming. So I go to the high school of the dead page and,

uh and i go oh it has an ova and it's like a little older sometimes those ovas are like wrapping up things it's a hentai i was wondering if it was i was like in my head i was like oh is this important so i click on it and it's just this the most horny picture of all time it's just it's soft core hentai yeah it is it's konosuba ovas it's very similar like it is uh

it's worse than that i think there's one scene that's worse than that but like in general each other the ova i haven't watched in a while i guess i need to again yes you'll have to actually it's fine don't watch that no the ova never in my head was going to be i mean if we want to watch it we can hard pass yeah i'm good too uh that's why i think it's more important that we just watch high school the dead itself the

I can't believe that one feels good. Finally got a win. It's going to be such a fun rewatch. I cannot wait to make Ashley watch this. Oh my gosh. Remember how earlier in the episode you mentioned how you were in a great and committed relationship? Not in two weeks.

I know. Yeah, well, we'll see. This will really test our resolve, you know? Because that's what you're supposed to do. I mean, I don't know. Kayla ended up liking fucking Rosario Vampire more than me. And I think this show is so much better than Rosario Vampire. I've watched three episodes of the show, and I would so far describe it as Rosario Vampire without the charm, but there's nine more to go. So...

Wow. That's rude. Okay. Well, I, it's not that rude. I gave her a vampire and eight. Season one was fine. Season two was. Yes. And I only meant that as far as they both try to shoehorn in as many panty shots as humanly possible. Oh yeah. It's awful. It's like Tarantino with feet. It's where it's awful, but it's also, there are parts of, there are parts though, where that is done on purpose. I think narratively or from a mindset perspective. I'm,

I'm just going to post the Pro CD video about the cleavage. From her outer self to her inner self. Save it. Save it for two weeks from now. I swear to God, I'm not shitposting, though. I swear to God. Actually, I just like titties. Well, who doesn't, right?

Alright, but yeah. I'm stalling so we can think of something else to nominate. Yes and no. I knew beforehand, but I did, before the episode started, I did stall a little bit because of that, yes. Shocker, it's not going to be something very new. Jay, what are you nominating for two weeks from now? Oh fuck, Jay's going first. Fuck. What is the fuck about? Well, you have a potential of stealing my nomination now. Oh. You're never ready anyways. I don't even know what you're nominating, so. Oh, okay. Okay.

I don't know what I need and what I want to nominate yet. That kind of threw me a little bit. I'm not going to lie. I could go. Sorry. All right, Pete, since you're the only other one ready, apparently, Miles clearly isn't ready. Miles is clearly not ready. He didn't bring beating notes. He didn't bring a show to nominate. This dude is slacking. Disgusting. He didn't even remember to do the legacy points. I...

Okay. So real quick, I asked a bunch of people what the most underrated or underwatch shows of 2020 were. I got a bunch of results. And so I put them into the wheel and I spun the wheel and I got a show and it did not come out in the 2020s at all, but I was very intrigued by it because it's done by madhouse and the aesthetic looks sick. I'm going to nominate Aka 13. Aka 13. Is it like red 13? Uh,

uh they know you see ca it's completely different okay yep drama mystery detective yeah okay this came out in 2017 yeah yeah i think the person missed that one shout out to beyond the gate they're a blog they're great um that show did not come out in the 2020s but i'm gonna dominate anyway because it looks fun they do if you round uh what oh i see sure yeah to the runs around to the nearest decade sure fuck it yeah

Alrighty, Miles, what have you got? Yeah, so I just wanted to re-nominate the show that I had voted for first last time that didn't end up winning because Legacy Points, uh, Rose and Maiden, uh, I thought that looked really cool. That actually was probably what I was gonna nominate, but hey, if you win, can we give the point to Simone, though, on the wheel? Because I think that'd be fun. Sure, there's, oh, like, when, if it does win? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's fine, I'm fine with that. I have enough points. Yeah, I was about to say, you're good. Yeah.

There you go. All right. Jay, what about you? What are you nominating? Let's see. You know,

Should I nominate interspecies reviewers again, guys? What do you think? No, I think no. I think there's too many. I think that there's a good chance of it winning currently. You know what? Actually, there is only four of us, which means you guys do each have to vote for it at least once. So I'm going to nominate interspecies reviewers. Yeah, honestly, can't say I didn't walk right into that one. Fair point. You should have nominated Rosenmaiden. You fool.

Jay, do you want to nominate Rosen? No, bro. I'm good. Okay. Are you sure you don't want to nominate Rosen maiden? I think this will bring us closer together. I'm going to shit on the show the entire time. So that's fine. I don't, I don't have a, I don't think Jay is nominating it, expecting us to do anything but that. I think he's doing it. I'll probably say it was fun. It, I mean, there will probably be some amount of fun to be. Oh my God.

holy fuck yeah this is the first time i'm looking at the pvr yeah it's a lot these this is literally deja vu are you looking at it okay this is live ashley reaction again this is literally the same exact thing that just happened i'm gonna die on this hill if you have a cow girl she should have six or no four she should have four tits okay

Let's break it up and stop. Save it for the pod. What if she just had a bunch of nipples on one? Sure. We'll see how it goes. As long as there's four places for the milk to come out.

Yo, if you guys want to hear us talk about that, make sure you vote. Well, Jesus. What are we doing here, boys? Yeah, I didn't mean to give such a good push for it. Yeah, what the fuck, Miles? But honestly, I'm sorry. You know what? If you guys want to vote for this, I will look up the anatomy of all of the animals these things are based off of. Stop. Stop.

i'm creating a new rule our new role in the discord and it's a gooner role and miles you're gonna lead it i don't necessarily know if this is gooning this is me wanting to roast the show by because it's bad at biology you're diving into the biology of cow tits i think you're a gooner hey okay sure it's not to get off oh we don't know that yet

Well, no, I'm in actual cows. And then I'm assuming that the show will explain to me the anime part. God damn it. I do not want to find out. Oh, okay. Okay. Pat, what's up, Pat? What are we nominated?

Good lord, my... I don't know what I want to nominate. Find, like, a Ghibli movie or something, people. That's not really what I was thinking about. Just find something that'll fucking win. I was...

going to just nominate princess principal and then i'm like no one's gonna vote for that you can't do it here you should vote for the princess and the pilot or whatever i loved that that was really a fun that was really fun but it never got just do like susan or something i was also thinking we already

We already did an episode on Susan May specifically, but we never did an episode on your name. So I thought about nominating that because it's a really great movie. Love that movie. I would vote for it. Well, I can't vote for it. I would want to vote for it. But no, but I'll do a Ghibli because that does seem like to win every time, right? Except for Ponyo. But that wasn't fair. It was matched up against my show and my show wins every week, as we know. So yeah, congrats to Pat for his first win in like a calendar year or whatever.

over a calendar year. If we're not getting too poor, the one wins Steins Gate, the number three anime all time. Yeah, it did win. Uh, yeah, no. So I'm going to nominate a movie I have never seen before and that I think will win. Please God. No, uh, it is a studio Ghibli favorite. Uh,

uh spirited away let's go my favorite one spirited away damn no no i didn't my the only thing from japan that ever entered my body before like 14 was pokemon and my favorite ghibli you got me too i watched it like a

couple months ago. Fucking love Spirited Away. Oh, you haven't seen Spirited Away? I'm not even as old as you, Miles, so technically I could still see it before you did. Like, if you really want to go there. Checkmate! I'm voting for Outer Spirits Vs. Veeder first. You motherfucker! We're done! Alright, if you have made it this far and you want to support us, the best way to do so is to like, comment, subscribe, leave a review on whatever platform you are watching or listening to us on. Next week is our first impressions of the currently airing

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