The Rose of Versailles Movie Review
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Oh, you know, Pete, we're doing okay. It's been a long day, but there's nothing I love more than after a long, grueling day to come home, ignore my wife and child, and come talk to you about anime.

So I'm excited. Yeah, where were you last week, bro? Okay, so I was with my wife in the hospital because... Yo, I was kidding. See, actually, that was a joke, and I do put my family before the podcast, unfortunately. But it sounded from the...

the vibe of last week's podcast that uh i was sorely needed to be a voice of reason um but alas uh we can't all have winning takes i'm just gonna say normally i like your company last week i would have not liked you so um because how you doing tonight

I am recovering from the flu, so if I leave for a second, you know why. Overall, I'm excited to talk about anime, but also because it's a movie, because I'm the movie girl. You are the movie girl. I'm the movie girl. I'm excited we have another anime movie to review, because we skipped Colors Within, but at least we're doing this one. Calling me out like that. Alright, I get it.

By the way, we both like Colors Within. Yeah, so on today's episode, we're doing the brand new Rose of Versailles movie, an epic tale that I've known about forever, but I've never consumed any information about this story in general. I know who Lady Oscar is through Kageki Shoujo, but outside of that, I have no real knowledge about this story. This is my first introduction. So I want to get your guys'

Well, I need to know coming into this. How much did you know of Rosa Versailles? Cause I kind of want to see if it makes a difference at the end of it. If it changed how we view this movie.

There was a whole science sorrow movie I missed. Anyways, um, uh, coming into this, um, I thought I knew more or less nothing about the Rusev Versailles. I thought, um, that it was like a fiction and it is like historical fiction, but I thought it was like a lot more fictional than it is. Um,

And so once I realized that Marie Antoinette was a character and it was just going to sort of follow the beginnings of the French Revolution into like the middle of the French Revolution, French Revolution one, I guess.

I was like, oh, okay, well, I know where this is going, because I know how that all went, more or less. So you do more than me. Okay. Yeah, I've watched Flame is, you know. That's something. And, you know, but I do know some of it. It's like a pretty interesting subject and everything. So, I don't know. That was a good anchoring point for me. And I think...

As we'll probably discuss, anchoring points would be good if you want to watch this film. How about you, Cosette? I knew about it, but I've never read it or watched it. But when I saw that Marie Antoinette was one of the characters, I was like, okay, so how accurate is this going to be? Is it historical? Is it just using Marie Antoinette as a character and it's nothing like the actual French Revolution? So I was quite surprised. I did assume it was a Yuri for some reason.

I think a lot of people are mad that it's not. Yeah, I, but honestly, no, I'm not mad about it because I don't like Marie Antoinette. So, um, um, yeah, I knew nothing about it. I just knew the cover art and that was it. I knew how badass Oscar was, but that, that was pretty much it. Um,

And I'm coming to this like 100% completely blind. I just knew that Oscar was a badass character. And so when I was coming into this, I was hoping to get a little bit more context in terms of what the story was. But I feel like this movie specifically is for people who have already consumed either the original anime or the manga. Because I feel like some of the things that I was looking for in this movie weren't fleshed out as much. And it's kind of where I wanted to start with this where...

To me, there's sort of two sides to the story. There's like the actual French Revolution, and then there's sort of like the interpersonal relationships between everybody that goes on throughout the story. And so we have a couple time skips of Marie going from early teens to... I don't know, what is it? Like early or mid-twenties, I would guess, maybe? She had three kids, so I'm trying to piece together how much time has passed. Let me tell you. I'll look it up while we talk. She died pretty young, I'm pretty sure. So...

She died at the age of almost 40, 38. Oh, okay. Or so, maybe not, 37. Because I guess her birthday didn't roll around before they, so. Oh, she died? What? No way. There was technically a scene in the movie about it. It was in the credits. So I guess I kind of wanted to start here with

Starting with the interpersonal part of this story, were there parts that you guys found that you gravitated more towards the others or something that was lacking? Because to me personally, I felt like a lot of the relationships were lacking, but I want to get your guys' thoughts before I chime in. Yeah, so I think the actual relationships were definitely lacking. I've had to look up stuff to fill in gaps that I'll know here because I was interested in

you know, the original work. And I actually think I'm definitely going to watch that. I think the movie did a good job of like profiling a couple of specific individual characters, but didn't do a good job. Not that it really could have at the time it was allotted in the period of time that it covers of fleshing out the connectivity between these characters that I thought were relatively flushed out major characters,

um, like Oscar, I think I have a very good sense of who Oscar is, um, as a person, uh, Marie Antoinette. I think I do, uh, partly because I know who Brian Smith was, and it seems to be taking a relatively, you know, accepted historical take on her. Um, and then also, you know, the movie focuses on her a pretty good amount. Um, and then like tertiary, like Andre, um,

I think I have like a relatively good idea of who he is though. What the fibers between those characters is lacking in my opinion. So you just sort of have like these isolated fleshed out characters and that's, that's never good right now. I assume a viewer of this is supposed to know what's going on, but I don't know. Cause that, what are our thoughts here?

Yeah, unfortunately, because it's a longer story and trying to condense it into a short movie is hard to kind of establish all those relationships. I think, like, the one that we saw probably the most detail on is Oscar and Andre for a bit. Although, like, I didn't really care about their relationship. Like, they are friends to love. That's one of the tropes that I like. So we did get to see a bit more of their, like, relationship, I guess. But, like, that connection was kind of nice, that relationship. You can see, like...

They grew up together. They were basically working together. They lived in the same house. So like that relationship, you know, was probably the most prevalent. The connection between Marie and Oscar was kind of odd. Like I thought they were going to be like best friends, but they didn't really appear like they were. Like as Miles said, like there's a lot of like individual characteristics shown, but in terms of like connections, like even like with her and her father, Oscar and her father was very minimal of what we saw. And so I, oops, sorry, Marnie's trying to get in the garbage. Um,

But yeah, even with Marie and that other guy, I forgot his name, their relationship was like, it was like, you know, lovey-dovey, but like, I felt nothing from it. Like, sure, it was nice. They're having an affair. They like, confessed to each other. Like, I guess from a romance side, like that was probably the most romantic scenes versus like Andre and...

because he tried to kill her. But there's stuff there. I just feel like if this was expanded into a show, which obviously there is one, it probably would have been better fleshed out. I think I'm in the same boat as you. This is where I kind of came to the realization that I think that having prior knowledge to this movie might actually be needed because...

I think what the show lacked more than anything was impact to these relationships because I think as avid anime watchers like ourselves, we can figure out how tropes of characters are, how the relationships usually tie up. But in a movie like this or a story like this where...

Stuff that results in like death, I feel like need to have a better, I think because you said like the fiber of the relationship needs to be way stronger for me to feel what I'm looking for, whether it's like the relationship stuff between Marie and Hans. I think that was a little lovey dovey, but like the impact for their relationship wasn't there. Oscar and Andre to me felt very forced, even though I think that,

I don't know. It's like the thing with Oscar was like, to me, it felt like she never really wanted to be in a relationship or be married or anything like that. And then I feel like a switch got turned on and she's like, Andre sees me for who I am. I love him. Please be my husband. It's like, where did that come from? Like, I feel like in this movie, like,

When you have two, I would say two main characters, because I feel like Marie is sort of like the main character in like the first half, and then Oscar is more prevalent in the second half. If you just had like the focal point of like just Oscar, and then you sort of saw the stuff that happened to Marie on the side, I think it could have been better, and then focus on fleshing out a few characters and their relationships more, and then sort of, because like, I don't know, like, I feel like they split time between the entire cast when they should have just been focusing on like

either focus on like Marie and see what Oscar does on the side or focus on Oscar and see what Marie does on the side. That way we can have a better understanding with like Oscar and Andre. I think at one point she was like even questioning Hans because I'm assuming he's supposed to be like this absolute hunk, but I didn't get that vibe, but it seemed like everybody was fawning over him and like maybe her flesh out her feelings on like what she's thinking about, at least with Hans would have been something that I would have appreciated more with this movie or

But like, I think that's something that you probably get from reading the manga or watching the original anime and you have better context into these people's relationships. And to me, it fell flat. It fell really flat. I don't know, like outside of Oscar, I,

My favorite character was Louis XVI or XIV or whatever it was. I know, right? XVI. Not Grandma? Grandma's cool, but she's in the show for like... She's in the movie for like a minute or something like that. Yeah, one minute less than Louis XVI. Yeah, but Louis had one scene that I really liked, and I was just like, that's better than any of the other characters' scenes that I felt like could have made...

bigger impact because louis the 16th was on screen for not that long and i felt like the brief amount of time that we had with him i understood who he was as a character i understood like where his like mindset was and i didn't really get that with anybody outside of maybe oscar i rambled i think go for it i think andre would have been my second like i feel like i would have liked a lady oscar andre movie and then like marie is just scurrying in the background

um but there is there actually is a later lady oscar live action movie and i don't know how prevalent marie antoinette is but like i feel like if this movie had less marie antoinette and then expanded more on lady oscar i probably would have loved it more even with the music so yeah i i like i like me some andre too like i i do agree that like

how we got from A to, like, L or whatever between them. You know, we were missing some letters in there. But, like, that scene where he's following her when they're, like, going to bring the French guard to, like, support the citizens or whatever, and he's, like, blind, but, like, she's still, like, shining in front of him. Like, I thought that was a really cool scene and sort of, like, sums up his, like, motivations and stuff well. Like, there was a lot of good...

cinematography and stuff that helped fill in those gaps. Not like all the way or most of the way or even kind of half the way or anything, but some of the way, um, which I, which I liked, like, uh,

I don't know. I had a good time watching this because I paused and looked up stuff while things were happening to get more context, which is not a good sign for the movie, though it did help my enjoyment of it. So...

Yeah. I think just one step, like, with Oscar deciding to, like, profess her love for Andre and, like, say, like, you know, when they obviously get together, I think it's because she knows that she's going to get into battle. She might die. So maybe she's in that headspace where she's like, we may not be together for that long. We might as well just do it. She just wanted to experience that before she dies, because I feel like she knew that France was going to... There's going to be some hard shit going on, so...

That's what I thought. So it didn't surprise me that they got together, but it did feel rushed. But I think like in her mindset, I can see why she did what she did. Yeah. I was about to go commit treason, right? Like she was just like, like, I'm going to commit treason tomorrow. I'll probably die. You know, it's a smart move on her end. Smart move. Yeah.

And I think part of it, and it's another thing I want to talk about with the relationships that just ties into like the actual pacing of this movie of when you're trying to cram in something that was done in 40 episodes into the equivalent of six episodes where we got, this, this goes back to like my impact, but like,

When you have weird pacing like this and you're trying to establish a cast, I feel like it falls off the rails a little bit. There's one in particular where we saw Oscar step in when a boy was about to get murked by some royalty. And then the citizens come in and start hitting Andre in the face with a wooden pole or whatever. And then this newspaper guy comes in and he's like,

he stops the whole thing and he's like, we, we are not royalty. We are, we have to be better than who they were. And then like, I kind of feel like he fell off like the face of the map when that, that scene was like very impactful to like how the citizens are being viewed, like how the royalty are viewing like the citizens and how the citizens are viewing like the French government. Was there anything in particular that you guys saw in the movie world? Like,

you felt like maybe you fast forwarded something and you missed something or skipped it. Or like the pacing just fell off because to me that was the biggest detriment to this, this movie. Hmm. Yeah. I don't think I felt that way as far as like literal events that were happening. Like everything again, to me, it's just sort of like, I feel like I missed conversations between people more so than anything super like event wise happening. Um,

Um, because I don't know, to me, it's just sort of like follows the structure that I am like vaguely aware of, of like how this like revolution takes place. Right. So, you know, I have historical events that happen that I can, um,

Be like, okay, so we've gone from here to here. And then, you know, vaguely. Like, okay, they're sieging Bastille currently, right? Like, at the end of the movie. That's a thing that happened. And I, you know, when that happened and all that. There were like seven people in that prison or something, by the way. It was a really weird choice to siege that. But they did. More symbolic, I guess. But I guess I'm not surprised that you would feel that way. Because there are...

I felt that way as far as interactions, like, you know, in one scene, Hans is going to America to help the colonists against the British. And then like 10 minutes later, he's back. And it was a quick, like, so, yeah. So like the entire revolutionary war, you know, which was like several years happens in like 10 minutes. And like, they don't, you know, there's no like three years later or anything. Um,

So you just sort of have to accept that, which I do think is like a lot. Like it is a breakneck speed thing, right? So like Marie Antoinette shows up when she's 14. That's the beginning of the movie. And she dies when she's about 38. She's like a month away from that. So it's what, 24 years or something in two hours. That's a long time. And a lot of things happen in there that were not touched upon. So yeah.

I mean, when you think about, like, Les Mis, that movie was, what, two and a half hours? So about the same as this. And we went through a couple years of, I don't know how many years, but Cosette went from a child also to an adult. So I feel like that did a really good job of, like, going through time.

But in terms of this movie and jumps that I thought were stark, I'm not sure. Because I know the French Everlust, so I kind of knew what was happening. I feel like it was a bit odd when Hans visited the castle. Because they were like, oh, he's here. Then all of a sudden they're riding horses together. I thought that was kind of odd. Oh, yeah. I was like, oh, they're just...

riding horses and then when she got hurt and they were blaming Andre I felt like that whole scene just went so fast because I just didn't understand like why were they blaming Andre but then after that happened then they slowly they slowly like established the fact that like they become friends so like so like that small little part got confusing but then it just made up for itself after that like it you put the pieces together and

But yeah, in terms of rush, you can tell the whole thing was rushed. But I was able to put stuff together because I know the revolution. I know what's going to happen. So I had a feeling what was going to happen to Lady Oscar, to be quite honest. So yeah, that's the only one I can think of that just felt really stark. Yeah, I think I would agree with mostly what you guys said. One thing, I mean, it's probably the biggest thing, at least coming into this, was...

They made this sort of a musical. Like there was a lot of music involved in this movie. And for me, at least some parts of it were really good. Like there was like the song that they use throughout the movie, but they use like different courses of that song. Oh, the leitmotif there for that core. It's so good. Yeah. They use it like three or four different times, but it's like different parts of the song. I like how that flow, but there are definitely some aspects to the music that I didn't like. Um,

especially uh the the last fight where oscar dies that music was like really weird and off compared to the rest of the movie but i guess just in terms coming into this thinking it's like a historical drama romance and it's sort of having this musical shift did that put you off anyways or did you enjoy it or i mean i have to ask the question for the podcast i know your answer okay

Okay. Yeah. I mean, it's all set up, man. Come on. Well, I thought, you know, we were just talking about Les Mis, which is exactly what you just described about the French Revolution to Electric Bugaloo. You know, so it's just like this, but set, I don't know, like 40 years in the future or something. And I fucking love that. What was weird about this is that

It was kind of a musical, but also there just seemed to be like very high quality AMVs in the middle of it. So like, I guess like, I don't know if this is like inherently. No. Yeah. This is inherently. Yeah. Like if it's a musical, people are singing songs and stuff and that happens in this.

But, like, not all the time. Because sometimes there's just music playing in the background during, like, a montage of Marie Antoinette going shopping or whatever. And, like, should they have used Material Girl by Madonna? Yes. And they didn't. But that's okay. I still liked the scene. She's from France, too. Is Madonna from France? No, she's from Michigan. I thought so. Um...

And so I thought that was like, at first I was like, oh, this isn't going to be a musical. It's just going to like have like scenes set to music. But then it was a musical and that was sort of surprising. They, so when you start something on Netflix, it starts with the dub. The singing in the dub wasn't great. Yeah.

Because they translated things, I think, maybe too literally. They were fitting a lot of syllables into very short time frames. Or, like, extending them a lot. Like, the word kokoro, which is heart, is used like a fuckton. In English, that is one syllable. So, you gotta make that work somehow. So I switched to the sub for about half the movie, but I had a hard time

reading the subtitles because they weren't yeah did i don't know they weren't outlined very well or something um and so i gave up and switched because it was like hurting my eyes um but yeah i i don't know i i liked the musical aspects a lot both the like high quality amvs to like vaguely avant-garde set pieces and then also the the musical parts like i actually love that last one where oscar gets got um

Like, Oh, I thought that was like, for like, I guess for me, it's like, it was like the scene that I was depicting this battle.

I think it's like, I don't know what I was expecting, but like, I remember the song coming on like right before she yells like fire and like before she gets shot or I was like, this music doesn't sound right for this. It could just be me being nitpicky, but like I thoroughly enjoyed the music throughout the entire movie, except for that scene. I don't know. I was just like, fuck yeah. Kill the fucking bourgeoisie scum. Like I, I was like,

I was feeling it, you know, they're all having a good time, enjoying camaraderie, and, like, singing while they shoot shots at some royal guard, I don't know. Cosette, music thoughts? Well, I think it was an interesting attempt, because I feel like there's not a lot of anime musicals, but, like, I love musicals, and I love, I think the anime musicals I can think of at the top of my head are, like,

Bell, Carol Tuesday, Sing a Bit of Harmony was one as well. We need more. Yeah, we need more. Those three movies are fantastic. But it was music videos. And I think the problem is that they tried to be Les Miserables, which is a wonderful, wonderful movie. That's hard to even try to top that. But they were more like...

I guess Amelia Perez, because that's the most recent musical I watched that had terrible music. And, like, the reason why I thought it was bad, because none of the songs were catchy. I don't remember...

any of the songs at all except for that one scene with like all the citizens singing because it reminded me of Les Mis so I was like oh I like this one this is pretty sick oh wait wrong one sorry can we just talk about Les Mis instead oh look if you want to have us if you want to have us on for a Les Mis discussion Pete there's no way that we're going to say no oh my god Les Mis Watch Club I'd be down there's a Les Mis anime right yeah the petite casette

But it doesn't sing, though. Oh, that's lame. I wasn't singing it. Yeah. Anyway, so, like, I think the music part, I think it's a nice attempt. Because I think with Rose of Versailles, there's so many different adaptations. We've got the anime. There's a compilation movie. There's stage plays. There's a live action. So, like, this being different out of the bunch is kind of nice, I think, for a Rose of Versailles fan. So I'm like...

MAPPA did a nice attempt to do something different instead of just reinventing the wheel. So in a way, do I think they shouldn't have done a musical? No, because it was a nice attempt. I just think they probably should have gotten better people to do the music. And I'm actually curious because who's credited is Hiroki Serano and the guy that did 86. And I'm curious if they're the ones that wrote the songs or wrote someone else.

I think they probably were the ones that did it. So I think they got an actual like songwriter to help with this like

I don't know, someone on Broadway? That would be great! This would have been better! So, um, but yeah, and I'm curious what you guys thought about the OST, because speaking of Hiroki Suwano, like, I have started to not like his music because it's all sounded the same, because it sounds like Attack on Titan, and it also sounds like 86, because he also worked with the guy that did 86, so a lot of the background music...

It just didn't fit the vibe of Rosa Versailles for me. I don't know why, because I kept thinking of Attack on Titan in 86.

no that's that's a really good point so like the music when it's like when it sounds like a chorus is singing in the movie i guess that's probably lay miz-esque i'm just gonna guess based off of your guys's reactions it's like dollar store lay miz sure but it's like i'm guessing in lay miz like a lot it's the same vibe but like their songs it's like i bet there's like it's like either is it like solo or like 30 people is that what it's like in lay miz

There's some, so there's one that has like the whole town. Okay. Okay. One day more. Which high school musical does this compare to? Maybe that'll be. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Well, okay. So this movie is like clearly worse than every high school musical, right? Because Sharpay is greater than Marie Antoinette. I was going to say Oscar for a second. I'll be like, no, but,

Troy Bolton could dunk on Lady Oscar. It is just unfortunate. Look, I'm sorry, but Zac Efron, one, can sing, two, can play basketball, and three, can get it. Facts. Facts. Troy Bolton forever, baby.

Does Lady Oscar ever stare into a pond and splash it in a golf course for no reason, really, and then sink bet on it? I don't think so. Okay, perfect transition. So this might be a hot take, but High School Musical 2 is the worst high school musical. That's not a hot take, Pete. Everyone thinks that. There's a lot of people that like it, but I guess in terms of OST...

It reminded me of High School Musical 2 where there's like two Omega Bangers and then the rest of it is kind of just like whatever. What are your High School Musical 2 Omega Bangers? The one where he's on the golf course. Bet on it. Bet on it. And I was being nice when I said two.

uh so i guess for me in terms of act the actual movie we're talking about rosa versailles that opening song that they use throughout the movie omega banger loved it everything else i thought was just like there and then i said before i thought the music that they used in the fight scene at the end was not good enough

Um, why don't you brought up 86 and the music there? Cause that's probably my favorite thing about 86. Like, uh, but you are correct when it, when it sort of does sound samey, it can kind of get into that where it's like, okay, am I watching Rosa Versailles or am I watching attack on Titan? And I think that's kind of where the vibes for the soundtrack fell off a little bit for me. I thought overall, I would say it's okay. Yeah.

yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna be positive on this there's a lot of things like i i remember like okay i really liked the the soundtrack during the masquerade um like i thought that got the vibes done good um i there's again there's like the marie antoinette like fuck it we ball i'm gonna just like buy a bunch of shit and gamble uh montage i did like that she was a gambler

And that was a big thing. That was, like, legit. She was just... She did a lot of gambling with the state's money. And that, I thought, was good. Like, that was, like... You are right that it's, like, High School Musical 2-esque, almost, in a way. Like, a lot of this stuff was, like, very, like, modern...

And stuff right like so they had Like I don't know the songs were they singing is like Closer to like a period piece sounding Thing where everyone's like Singing and it's like got a choir and stuff The AMV parts were like Very contemporary Um which was weird It clashed a little bit But I did like them For what they were Yeah like I don't think like Necessarily the songs Are bad but like

How they flowed didn't make sense. It's hard to describe because I feel like it's just like a vibe thing where it's just like you're expecting like a certain type of song to come on and then if you heard like, I don't know, if like Poker Face came on, you'd be like, this is a Lady Gaga banger. I would lose my fucking mind. Yeah, but it's like, don't get me wrong, this song slaps, but like...

Do you want it like a John Wick shootout type of thing? It's just like, yeah, it doesn't. Yeah. I mean, me too. That was a terrible example, but like there's like moments in the story where it's like, I feel like I'm expecting something and I'm getting something else. And it's like, maybe it's a me thing where I'm just thinking too much into it, but.

I don't know. Cosette's nodded a little bit, too, so maybe she's feeling the same way I am feeling. Well, I think the one benefit of the music videos is that... Because the thing with musicals is that once they get into a song, they're expressing their emotions more louder. So I think, like, the little music videos kind of did that because we got to see a bit more about, like, how Marie is feeling. We saw a bit of, like, how Oscar is feeling. So...

You know, there were some emotional bits that they tried to give us more character development, I guess. So I saw the benefits of the music videos. I think the lyrics were okay. Like, they kind of portrayed what each of the characters were saying. I'm curious if the song was written by the person who did the script or not. Because the person who did the script did a lot of shoujo anime, like Nana and Kimi ni Todoke. So I'm curious who wrote the songs. I think the written parts were fine. I think it's just the...

combination of songs and trying to make them catchy were at fault i thought the lyrics kind of sucked yeah it was yeah it felt okay so there was this thing um i don't remember when it came out but like you know how like mumford and sons have released exactly one song um yes okay thanks and i don't even know what song it is it's little lion man um that's what it's called

It's not your fault but mine Is that that song? So Mumford and Sons At least through three albums I don't know if this is still true Every single song had the word heart and eyes in it Every song they did And so it just sort of reminded me

Of that. Because it was very on-the-nose theming and stuff. It's like, I'm going to be my own person. But do I'm going to follow my way? Yeah! And it was just like... Unironically, High School Musical, which isn't exactly subtle, has...

more subtle lyrics about like being yourself in there. Um, it's, and we're going to just keep comparing this to that. I don't know if they were bad, but I guess I was, again, I'm doing a lot of like comparing this to like Les Mis and stuff. And like, you should, um, you know, that has like just start to end Omega bangers with like 10 different late motifs and like a whole bunch of different like meanings and stuff between everything that goes on. And it's just amazing. Um,

And this, I think part of it might have been the visuals too. Like, I like the end where they're all like scrambling around as the soldiers, but do you guys see what they were doing with the background people? I don't know if you guys caught this during like the last fight.

You know, so they have like commoners and soldiers running around in the background completely nonsensically going nowhere, going in circles, going like doing nothing just to make the background seem busy. And it distracted me the entire time. And so I think that like with the lyrics of like, we're gonna try our best and be poor or like whatever they were. Yeah.

I missed that. I have to go back and look at that. Oh my god, it was... It really stood out to me. And it's not a thing I normally notice, but like, I don't know. Some of the stuff felt a little amateurish to me. So I guess between the three of us, we think that both the music sonically was a bit amateurish and the lyrics were a bit amateurish. So there you go. But the visuals...

Yes, except for those people in the background at the end. Yeah, okay, because I actually want to talk about the visuals a little bit, if you don't mind. Because this is like a cinematic movie. This was shown in theaters in Japan. And usually when we have movies like that, I feel like there's at least moments of pure sakuga where it's just like, holy shit. And I remember the opening scene where you see all the people and the horses in the courtyard.

And they're all like CG. I'm just like, I feel like this is like the opening moment where like you want to showcase like what this movie is. And then they do that. I was like, I was kind of lame. Like free run did it in their opening scene where it's like they're coming in in the courtyard and everybody's on horses. And that's a serialized TV show. Why can't Mapa do it in the movie? And I felt like it kind of missed the mark in some spots where they, I feel like it really could have showcased

uh, the animation, but like, then there's some points where they're just like standing around and it looks insane. Like how like Oscar's hair is flowing and stuff like that. I'm just like, this is nuts. Um, but I feel like I might be in the minority. Uh, did you guys have any thoughts on like the imagery and visuals of this movie?

I sort of agree with, and I didn't hear the entire assessment. I apologize because I've been sliding through the movie to try to like find certain points. Um, and,

And I want a super cool background to the lyrics. Cause I just accidentally got to, um, let's not forget. We're talking about the visuals. No, we will. But just really quick when she is like at the, after the ball, when like lady Oscar is like, what do I want to do? Like the lyric, I want to be myself. I want to be myself. That's literally a song from bluey. Like, I'm not kidding. Like there's an episode of bluey where they go to the movies and

And it's a movie about a monkey and Bluey's scared because there's going to be lightning at the end of the movie. And the monkey is singing a song and it's like, I want to be my, it's like the exact same thing. It's plagiarized from Bluey. Back to the animation. I, I super agree, Pete. There are times in this where it looks like it's animated by, you know, like it's some poor thing that got an adaptation, uh,

Not to like... It looks like it got an adaptation of some Yuri or something that always gets the short end of the studio stick, right? It reminds me of a straight-to-DVD movie or something like that. Technically, it's a movie. Well, in Japan, it had a full theatrical release. There are parts where...

Lady Oscar is, like, standing there, and, like, her proportions are wrong. Like, her arms are too short and stuff. It's just very crudely done. And then there are parts that, as you had mentioned, just are insane. Insane. Just, like, you know, like, it goes into these, like, visual... It's basically just, like, a feast for your eyes. Everything goes insane. There's, like,

flower petals flying everywhere and the moon turns into people and it's like crazy and then it goes back and you you know you have like a umamuse me CG horse showing up and it's it's like oh okay well it was just another series that also goes between like F tier CG to like oh my god Saku got you know top three soccer of the year or something yeah yeah because that what do we think of the animation

I mean, I think it's because when I was watching it, I was like, hey, what's the positives I can pull out of it? And I think the visuals were the positives. So I didn't nitpick when I was watching, like, how things looked as much, because I was like, you know, this looks pretty good compared to everything else. And, like, when you compare it to, like, the anime from, like, this, I don't know, how old it was? 80s? 70s? 79.

70s. Obviously, it's a huge upgrade. So I feel like Rose of Versailles fans, when they look at this, they're like, oh, this is a huge gift. So I think, visually, it looks nice. So, like, the eyes were sparkling. They reminded me of, like, Oshinoko. Oscar looked amazing. Marie Antoinette was fine. I did love that, like, masquerade scene. Like, the animation in that was really cool. Like, all the dresses and everything. Um...

The anime music video visuals were kind of cheesy. I liked them. There's so many things, like, I like, you hate, because that's, like, whatever. We both like the entire movie and hate the entire movie as the three of us. Yeah, yeah. But besides that, like, I think, like, it does look better than some seasonal anime we get. Like, I think, in comparison, this is still nice. In terms of, like, MAPPA's past work...

They could have done a little better. I mean, and I looked at the director and what she's done, and there's not anything in her list that I've seen besides Ano No Hana, but she only did a few episodes. So, I don't know. I mean, it's still visually better than the last Rose of Versailles. So, yeah. Yeah, I guess for me, it's more like...

the aesthetic i loved like the color palettes that they use like you mentioned like how the eyes were designed like that was great like to me like there's sometimes where like when i think of like shoujo it has a very specific aesthetic and this matched it like i loved like what i was like how it was portrayed i guess i would put it but i didn't like how it was

like executed because you mentioned scenes like the masquerade. Awesome. Random scenes of them just like chilling. Great. And then we have scenes where it's like the final battle between Oscar and like the other army or whatever. And to me, that was like very lackluster that like, sometimes those are the moments where like, I would like to see a step up in soccer in some way, but like, even when like Oscar took the bullets, like,

it was he like gets hit and they do that thing where like it freezes and then like slowly the blood like flies out of oscar or not oscar sorry um freaking andre and it's just like man this is like a moment where i feel like you could really showcase like a power-packed action scene because there's really not that many in the story like there's the one where uh oscar duels um

was like Alan or something like that. And that was great. Like I thought that was anime fantastic, but then just like some of the scenes were just like, man, like this is where you need to put the budget and they didn't miles your thought. Yeah. I, so I, you know, I've been, I'm just skipping through this and like,

They needed to put the budget everywhere, I have to say. It just needed to be more everywhere, because I don't want the scenes where they're just standing there to like... I loved that stuff, right? I'm just looking at this thing where Oscar is at...

you know, something. And then like everything fades away and there are stars everywhere and that's fucking great. That's wonderful. You know, but like flesh out everything else as well. Also, I want to give a shout out to, uh, whatever his name was, a revolutionary number one guy, um, from the French guard or whatever. I liked him. I thought he was, he was good. He was like, you can't, you can't be in charge. You're a woman and you're a noble. And then like, he gets his ass beat and he's like,

you can be in charge. Fair enough. And, you know, you just gotta appreciate someone who can take the L. It's just... Admitting you're wrong sometimes is very necessary. Yeah, it's hard to get. Let's talk about Oscar. Yeah, let's do it. Oscar is amazing, and I think we got, like, we should, because, like, I want to go kill royals after Wednesday. Oh, yeah.

A bit aggressive, but I get it. Look, I'm only doing what she would want. She is an amazing person.

character. Holy, I get it. So good. I get it. Like completely lives up to the hype. Um, I would say surpasses it. Even in this movie. Yes. Which is like the, you know, truncated version of it. I was like, Oh my God, what an amazing character. Um, just like complex, but she like explores her own, uh,

self in like an interesting way you know she wants to be herself as the lyrics of the song say and um she she figures out what that is and who that is i also liked her relationship though we didn't get a ton of it with her father um where um he's basically like hey i raised you to be like a responsible person to have your own convictions and stuff like

even if you're like you do what you got to do it sucks that you're probably going to die but if that's like what you think you have to do you go do it I'm not going to stop you I thought it was a pretty cool dynamic and I just like seeing her evolution over time of like learning to empathize with the commoners and doing what is right and taking bolder and bolder steps and never compromising as stuff got worse I thought it was great she's an amazing character

Yeah, I mean, I love a badass female character, so she's definitely one of my top favorites right now. I think she's probably the reason why I want to delve more into Rules of Versailles, either read the manga or try to watch the original anime.

the whole reason why I watched Sub is because her voice actor was Karapika. And, like, I love Karapika from Hunter x Hunter. So, I watched the Sub for this, and I think she sang really well, too. But, yeah, Oscar was the best part of the movie. She's the reason why I was able to get to the end, to be quite honest. I wanted less Marie Antoinette. I just wanted more Oscar. I think, like, I would have loved more, like...

Like more scenes with her and her development. Like we saw that small scene of her like saying that she grew up like being treated like a man. And so now she's like she was struggling with her identity. And I would have loved to see a bit more about that. Even just seeing scenes with her like just like connecting more with the citizens, connecting with France. Because like it was a bit rushed because she was like, oh, yeah, I lived here my whole life. I love France. But like we didn't really see that like. Yeah.

development because she was always at the court right so um but i think like she's the reason why i would like actually want to still continue watching rose of versailles somewhere or read it um because like unfortunately this is my first introduction to rose of versailles and it's not the best introduction but it's an introduction that's enough for me to like even just explore and see more about it um yeah i love oscar i don't really care about her and andre though

But good for her for sealing the deal before she died, so. I think that that will play over better in, like, more drawn-out source material. Probably. Because I've, like, read about their relationship and, like,

the reasonings behind it and everything. And it seems, seems pretty good from the, you know, Wikipedia in one article I read. So, you know, who knows? I'm going to make a very weird comparison. And I don't think either of you have seen this show, but someone out there that's listening may have.

It reminded me of the show Data Live, if you are familiar with that show. Man, I haven't seen Data Live. Yeah, don't worry. You don't need to. Yeah. So Data Live is a very generic sci-fi harem, and it's not good. Much like Rose of Versailles, it's a sci-fi harem. Yes, but there is one character, Karubi, in that show who is so badass, where like...

I watched three seasons of that show because of her. That's what Oscar is to me in this movie where it's just like, she hard carries the entire cast. Um, I think this is the detriment of the movie and not the actual source material, because I guarantee if I read the manga or watch the show, there would be another character that I would like really enjoy. But for this movie, it was Oscar and nobody else. Like I had a,

My second favorite character is Louis the 16th and he's in 45 seconds of the movie. Like that's how little I cared about the cast or how much I enjoyed it. It was literally Oscar and nobody else. And so I think that's like a good thing and a bad thing where you have somebody with limited screen time, making the absolute most of it and just crushing what they're trying to portray as a character. And then sort of seeing everybody else in this movie be, uh,

buried not even close to the same level as Oscar. It's one of those things where it's like

you have something that's so great. I wish you could showcase it to other characters, but I'm glad that they did it for the one character that I actually love in the story. So it's like, it's like, it's a double edged sword where I had, it sort of seems like a, like a chicken or an egg thing, you know, a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Like, do I not like these characters? Cause they only spend time flushing out Oscar. Um,

I think that if they flesh out everyone, Oscar would still be my favorite, though, is like my thought. I think they I think you're right that they picked right, though. I guess it's a little hard to determine. Like Andre, I feel like he is a character based off like the characteristics that we saw in the movie that I would like. Like I would gravitate towards a character like Andre, but how the movie portrayed him, I don't think it did it justice. I'm just going to assume that like he is a good character. So I'm just going to say that I don't think the movie did a great job at like building him as

a romantic interest, a character that I was intrigued with or thought he was interesting. I just thought he was kind of played the childhood friend role in a little bit different way, but he was still that character and wasn't, wasn't super high. He'd probably be my third favorite, but that's like out of default. Like I, I, Marie was whatever Hans was just like the pretty boy and,

I think Oscar's dad, like you said, could be a very interesting character if we had some more context. I like the one scene with him. Because we had a scene where they talked about who he was as a person and then we actually had one scene with him. So very limited and I mean it's kind of like the detriment to this movie where it's just like, man, I really didn't vibe with this because of sort of the direction that they went with

with the movie. Um, any other thoughts that you guys wanted to get off your chest that we forgot?

Yeah. Oh, go ahead. Well, you each have one, so someone go first. You go first because I was just going to vamp. Oh, okay. I think, like, after I ended the movie, I'm glad, like, we took some time to, like, stew on it because I was like, I immediately didn't like it. And then I was like, oh, I'm positive. But I started making me think about another shoujo that got a really bad adaptation that was Wrecking Room over Rose King because that story is really, really good. And unfortunately, it had a really bad adaptation and just reminded me of that because...

The main character of that is just as awesome as Oscar. And unfortunately, it had such a bad anime. So it reminded me of that. I was like, oh, another bad shoujo adaptation. Come on! So, I don't know. I completely forgot about that. Yeah, but I mean, kudos to MAPPA. I feel like they haven't done a shoujo since probably Banana Fish. That's at least off the top of my head, because I can't think of any other shoujo they've done in the last decade. I feel like it's Banana Fish.

Is Jujutsu Kaisen a shoujo? I mean, if it was just Gojo and what's his name? Yeah, maybe. Wow, yeah. I'm looking at their list and not a whole lot. It's already a nice one before Banana Fish, I'm pretty sure. But it's also just an anime original. Yeah. That was made to make people go to the saga. Yep. Right? Yep.

Like, if it was a manga, it would probably be a shoujo, but like... Yeah. It's also technically just an advertisement. Very good one. What's stan-stan-stan-sore? Is that a... Siden! Okay. Yeah. So, like, kudos from Appa for picking up a shoujo for once.

Yeah, I'll just shout out to them and they should continue. I think that's their only one because I think Banana Fish is technically a Jose, but... Oh no, it's a Jojo. I just checked it. It's a Jojo. Yeah, I thought it was a Jose too, but it's not. Everything that I think is a Jose is actually a Jojo. It's kind of on the cusp. Like, it's one of those Jojos that you're like, ooh, this could be an older demographic. So, yeah. Yeah.

I mean, they definitely, I feel like they, I mean, having like a woman director is a huge plus for doing something like this. So shout to them for doing something like that. So,

Yeah, and the script writer too. I feel like this movie's just been parts. Like, I think the movie format is fine if this was not just one movie. You mean like a 40-episode show? MAPPA did it with Attack on Titan. They made seven movies. Why not make this seven movies? It's not like MAPPA's out of their realm of stretching things out into movies. What I do wonder is that, like, Rosa Versailles gets a ton of stage plays. So, like...

And I haven't seen them. But if I went and watched a stage play of this, right, would it be similar to what we just had animated? Insofar as like the plot points that they picked, the scenes that they've done, you know, because like, well, you know, I go watch a 12 hour stage play. No, it's going to be two hours or whatever. Like you're probably right. It would probably be something like this, except I think I would have more fun at a stage play.

There is that movie. That's also like a movie length. So it's probably maybe similar, but maybe it just focuses on Oscars. That's why they were able to fit it within a movie. See, that would be on YouTube. So I'm going to watch it. Yeah. We should probably just watch these things, but yeah, my thought is like, maybe they're just adapting it. Some of the things like in the way these other shortened versions of it do. And like,

We're just like, that was the intent, you know, I don't know. Um, you know, but we don't live, um, where they throw rows of Versailles reviews every other year or whatever, you know, like that's just, so who knows, but like, I'm trying to think of like a real life. Well, Les Mis is this Les Mis is a very truncated version of a book. Um,

And good, because it's a long book. But I'm sure we missed some stuff in the musical. Yeah. And we just don't... Like, that's the point we have, so who knows? They do skip 15 years or whatever. Did you have your final point, Miles? Yeah, I don't know. I was thinking about maybe talking about some of the gender dynamics and stuff that are in here, but...

They do sort of just gloss over a lot of that aspect. Like, I don't necessarily... I don't know if... Okay, it's not that they gloss over that aspect. It's they gloss over everything. But that is one of the things that is sort of glossed over. We see some of Lady Oscar's thoughts and stuff on that, but it's also very... It's very...

So the scene where she shows up for the ball and she's like stunning and she's very feminine looking and she's like wearing the dress and everything like normally you have like in like a movie or any scene that that does that sort of thing. Right. Like she's all that whatever. These are basically the same thing. Might as well be. Yeah.

You know, you have, like, a preamble to that where you see the person, like, getting ready and there's, like, some... But, like, we just see, like, Lady Oscar immediately, like, there's nothing leading into it. You know what I mean? There's no, like, struggle with her femininity or anything like that beforehand that we see. It just goes into her doing it. And I don't know. But I imagine...

that that was a response to something like maybe people viewing her more masculine than she identified herself as. And she, you know, really turns it on, maybe even overcompensates and goes more feminine than she's comfortable with in response to that. But there's obviously a lot of these dynamics here. I was reading an interesting thing about how this is like,

a precursor to like a lot of boys love because both Andre and Lady Oscar are like very androgynous and you know Lady Oscar is viewed as like masculine and like Andre is like also sort of masculine and all that stuff so it's sort of

according to the one thing I read, I haven't done any actual research or anything. I don't know. This is just like, you Google this and it's the first thing that pops up. But it was talking about how that sort of leads into Shoujo having a lot of these two...

uh, handsome, but like feminine male characters, uh, as like potential love interest sort of things, uh, in, in the future, uh, which would be interesting to explore. But again, it's not something that this movie honestly explores very much. So, um,

I don't know if we should talk about it. Probably not, honestly. I mean, it's a good point. Because I also was a bit confused about that scene when she dressed Scott all dolled up. Because I'm like, that was probably not easy. And I wish we got some of her inner thoughts. Like, that would have been a great song. Some inner thoughts. You know? So, yeah, that's a really good point. Good job, Miles. Yeah, way to go, Miles. I'll just say one thing, I guess, that makes me...

Cause like my favorite thing in the world is berserk and Griffith is literally based off lady Oscar and sort of like the, the, the feature, some of the things that like she has issues with Costco also has issues with in berserk. So it's kind of interesting to see how that lady Oscar is actually portrayed in like two characters in berserk. So I actually like,

It makes me appreciate Oscar even more for how good of a character she is. I mean, because of her, it's a major reason why I fell in love with that series to begin with. So shout out to Oscar for inspiring Berserk. Shout out to Lady Oscar for inspiring a character that I don't think is pure fucking evil. Like...

And this is a point that Pete and I disagree on, on Griffith as a... Well, you haven't gotten... There's still so much you have to... There's not a thing he can do. He's irredeemable in my eyes. I don't care what he does. He's a terrible person. Yeah, look, man, I've just watched too many videos talking about how he's not, and it's just like, nah, he is. No, he 100% is. There's a twist later where it gets a little... You can have a conversation, but he is pure evil.

I'm never going to have the conversation. You are, and you're going to have it with me. He could hand me a check for $1 million and I would take it for him and spit in his fucking face. I got my checkbook right here, baby.

If you give me that check because Griffith isn't a real person I'll talk about it I am Griffith's vessel But is Utena Tenjo Who is very heavily inspired by Lady Oscar From Revolutionary Girl Utena Makes sense Yeah The whole thing is pretty similar I don't know how far you I'm four episodes into Utena Okay

Great show, by the way. I'm enjoying it a lot. Are you? That's good. Okay, I think it only gets better. It's better than Jararara, that's for damn sure. Wow, what a bar. People really like Jararara. I get why people really like Jararara. Me too. I think if I had watched it back in 2011 or whatever, I'd like it more. Yep, 100%. I think that is... I think I just missed the boat on that. Have you watched Jararara? Because...

Have you watched High School Musical 2? No. Oh my god. I watched one. Okay. Yeah, Bop Bop to the Top. Oh my god, that's a cut to pick from that one. You know, it's not we're all in this together, it's not get your head in the game, it's Bop Bop to the Top. And that is... That's a poll. I appreciate that. Alright, we're at about an hour, so how about we get to our final thoughts and ratings. I did have a question though. Oh, you go. Oh, yeah.

What if you had an anime become a musical? Which anime would you want to become a musical? I'm trying to think. Because I like the idea of having something like super, super dramatic be a musical instead. And it kind of shifts the tone a little bit. I'm trying to think of a show that I... I'm trying to... So my favorite musical of all time is...

And this is, this is sadly, no, um, this is a terrible answer for if someone's like, what's your favorite musical, right? This is maybe the worst possible answer to give, but it's Heather's the musical. And, um, I don't even know. Um, it is amazing. Um,

Also, it's like, it's based on, have you ever seen the movie Heathers, Pete? No, I have no idea what you're talking about. Okay, so Heathers is like a 1980s movie. Imagine if Mean Girls, imagine if Lindsay Lohan...

And the guy from Mean Girls murdered people. Yeah. Yo. And that's Heather. It's fucking amazing. It's Winona Ryder and Christian Slater. It's amazing. Please watch the movie, Heather's, and then listen to the soundtrack of Heather's the musical. It has a 95 on Rotten Tomatoes. Yeah, it's a fucking amazing movie. Okay, I'll add this to the list.

Okay, um, it's sort of like a little lot, anyways, but I'm just trying to think of an anime that has like similar energy to Heather's, and like, it doesn't exist, as far as I know. Um, do you have an answer? In my head, I thought Delicious and Junjun would have like, would be like a funny musical, and I would love that, because we'll get like a Senshi song, I just, I think it'd be so fun. I like that. Sort of like a Spamalot type of vibe or something like that, okay. Yeah.

I gotta look at anime I like. Yeah, after going through my list, I have two that I think could work because of how the episodes are brought out. I think Violet Evergarden could work. You know, each sort of like conclusion to a story could be a song. Also, Ranking of Kings, I think, could be a musical. It's kind of fun and you could do some stuff with it. It'd be campy. Yeah. Yeah.

Imagine like a Pothcary Diary. Oh, that'd be fun. Yeah, there's probably a way to do that. You could do anything, right? Because like Heathers the musical exists and like Mean Girls the musical exists and like people just take movies and make them musicals now. That's like what you do. Evangelion can be a musical. That'd be great. That almost certainly exists somewhere in Japan. Probably.

That has to be a real thing. Like, Sailor Moon the musical exists, right? I think so. That's a good question. Let us know in the comments what you would pick.

And I, while other people are giving their final thoughts, will come up with an answer to this because I want to think of something that it needs. How about I do my final thought and then you can give your answer and then into your final thought. Okay. Perfect. Okay, so final thoughts. I had real issues with the pacing in the story. I found me trying to connect to characters and have fun with them was nearly impossible outside of Oscar. I felt like the relationships were kind of

not there it felt really rushed when they're trying to establish especially romantic it felt really fast i get like some of the things with like marie and hans like they make eye contact and love in first sight like i can get that like that's not the issue it's more like you know like oscar and andre i felt like how they became a couple came i guess there's context clues but to me it felt rushed

And sort of the other just like interpersonal relationships outside of romance felt really like not there. Um,

I thought the music was okay. I thought the animation was okay. I thought the cast was bad outside of Oscar, but that's, I don't think that's the story's fault. I just think of how the movie structured itself just hindered what I could have gotten from this. I love the aesthetic really, really pretty just in general. But I'll be honest with you. I thought this movie was bad overall.

it didn't feel like a cinematic experience especially with some of the other movies that we've gotten in the past couple years or even something like look back which is an hour long had incredible moments it was so quick and like that movie was a 10 out of 10 and even something like high Q where when you see it in theaters it's another level than what you see on TV and so when I get a cinematic movie like this I

I'm expecting a little bit higher budget, a little bit higher production value and stuff like that. And when I don't get it, it feels like an OVA more than a movie. And I think that's kind of where I fall off of it, where did I enjoy this movie? Yes. It's not the worst movie I've ever seen, but I think it was more me coming into this. I had such high expectations. Like this is a legendary story. Even if somebody, even someone like me who has consumed zero of it,

I know Lady Oscar is such a, like a prominent character in anime and manga where like I've through osmosis, I've gotten some things. So like, that's how prevalent this movie is, how big of a deal it is. And so when I was expecting the world and I got, you know, not that I got breadcrumbs, I was kind of really disappointed. And I think that ties into my score. I'm giving it a five. Like I, I,

I was pretty glad the movie was over. And also one last thing that I forgot because of like how much of a character Oscar is, I loved and how much I wish that the relationships impacted when she died. I didn't feel anything like, and it's just, it's just one of those things where it's like, I don't like if we had more time with the characters,

I would have been bawling, but like Andre getting got, I'm just like, I don't care. Like whatever. Like why do, why should I care? Cause I don't think like the movie gave me enough time Oscar. I did care, but I feel like if I had more time with her, I would have cried my eyes out. That's how much I love her character. So I'm gonna give it a five. I thought it was just okay. Um, more than anything, it's an advertisement to go make me read the manga or watch the original. Um,

Yeah, more, I would say I'm more disappointed than I am thinking that the movie itself is bad. If I saw it with like no expectations, it'd probably be like a six or seven, but man, I don't know. This is like if Vagabond got a anime and it's just like, it was done by studio. Uh, who's a, what's a bad studio?

Engi before it did Metal Lifts or something like that. MAPPA. It's Studio MAPPA then Vagabond. And it was just like, you have this classic staple and when you are what Rose of Versailles is, I'm expecting nothing but the best and I didn't get that. And so whatever reason that is, or whatever outside factors that may have gone into this, it just didn't hit for me. So 5 out of 10. Miles, you're up.

Okay. So do we want my final thoughts and then what I would do a musical or do we want to flip flop that? How are we doing this? Hey, just like in the movie, you, your own person, you make your own decision. So, okay. I want to be myself. I have two. I want to be myself. And I thought I was like lying when I said those were the lyrics that I went to the song in the movie. Those are the lyrics. So I have two answers. One,

I have put way too much thought into in this period of time. But the first one is the nice short walk on girl. I actually think that would work amazing as a musical. And there are already like vaguely musical parts in it, like with performance and stuff. But I think like all the different scenes, you can do stuff like,

The answer that I'm going to explain for maybe too much airtime is the quintessential quintuplets. Okay. That's a whole other episode. Because you could fucking do this so good, right? Okay. So you have your main character, your main guy, then you have his five possible love interests, and they can all have a theme and a leitmotif about them, right? And so in different scenes and stuff, you can have

have them overlap and stuff. So there's this thing in Hamilton where like when Hamilton and Eliza are like singing together, depending on like how well their relationship is going, their ability to sing each other's let motifs is better or worse. Yeah. Just like Anna from Frozen. And so you can like make a,

his, um, you know, like, little theme or whatever harmonize better with the girl who, like, wins eventually. And you can have that increase over time as they, like, have scenes together or whatever to become more harmonious while the other ones don't. Um, you can also, with scenes, like, where Ichika is, like, um...

impersonating she's a snake right she'll dress up as a snake yeah right so but like you can have her sing like a miku theme line stuff but like in off in like different ways and everything there's a lot you could do here um with it with the fact that these characters are identical but if you give them like differing um musical themes and everything it would it could it could slap um

I know that sounds like a stupid answer, but make it happen. As for what I thought about this movie, Pete, everything you said was correct. This movie is not... Yo, clip that! Clip that! Good. You heard that? Clip it! However...

I'm giving this an 8 because I like it. I just had a good time. Yeah. It's not a good movie, but I just bought every fucking volume of this manga and they're showing up. Um...

And I, I, you said that you weren't, I almost teared up during Oscar scene, which is when she died. Like, and that's a lot for me to almost tear up because I, I've only cried during one anime shout out to Yuri on ice. Um,

And, um, so like the fact that I was thinking about it was that I thought that the ending of this was actually pretty strong, um, because it, it really sort of like focuses in on Oscar and her desire to be part of the revolution and stuff. Um,

And like, I want to explore this more. I had fun pausing it and like Googling different character dynamics and stuff, which is again, not optimal, but I don't care. So I gave this an eight. It is not an eight. I'm not recommending this to anyone. This is just a miles score because I had a good time, but it's not a good movie. Don't. Yeah.

that's exactly how you how you just summed that up is literally how i summed up high school the dead where i'm like it's not good but i had fun like um yeah this enjoyment is the number one thing baby um and uh yeah this is like high school of the dead but this definitely likes women in high school true facts uh

But there were no zombies in this, which is a step down. I don't know. Anyways, I gave this an eight because I've had that stupid theme stuck in my head all day. And there's a lot of the like, I don't remember the bad scenes, but like a lot of the striking visuals are stuck in my head. Oscar, like coming into like

and like saying fire and like starting off like the siege of Bastille and stuff I thought was really good the material girl scene with the song that isn't material girl has been like in my head or whatever I don't know I thought there was like enough it's like a bubble gum pop song or something it's stuck on my head it's good and I like it you know I'm not afraid to admit I like Justin Bieber and this is the Justin Bieber of anime movies I don't know because what are your final thoughts

Well, you know what? I think the movie did what it was supposed to. It makes people want to go explore what roles are Versailles. I definitely want to check out the manga. I probably won't buy it immediately like Miles because I am on a budget. I have Amazon gift cards. It does damper a little bit. Share the world. I paid like $50 for all of the volumes. It's not that bad. It's nice.

Well then, lucky you. But anyways, I think it did what it was supposed to. I think it was a great, it wasn't a great introduction, but it was enough of an introduction to me to be like, oh, so I know that this story is probably really good. So this will make me want to either like watch the anime or get the manga, even check out the live action. Like if this was a really bad anime, I would not do any of that. So I think that there's some benefit there.

So I gave it a six in my head. Letterboxd, I gave it a two, but I think I might give it a six because I still enjoyed it enough to continue it. The visuals were nice. Lady Oscar was awesome. The music was whatever, but like I still liked it enough to like finish it. And I think...

It just felt like it was one of those compilation movies we get after an anime's been released. So if MAPPA at the back of their head was like, oh, let's just flesh this all out. MAPPA, I will forgive you if you do that. I love you.

So, and, like, give me more anime musicals. Like, if this is gonna make it happen, make it happen. I would love to see more musicals. Like, Belle's one of my favorite movies of all time. So, like, give me more of that. So, it's a six. And in terms of, like, recommending it, I feel like I would recommend it to people who love, like, characters like Lady Oscar. And then I would just give them, like, a side little disclaimer being, like, it's not the greatest, but it's a nice intro to, like...

who Lady Oscar is. You can just see the awesomeness of her. Just ignore the music parts. Because I feel like there's people who would, you know, take two hours to watch it maybe as long as they know that not all of it's great. You can fast forward the music if you want. So yeah, it's a six. I still enjoyed it. So yeah. Awesome.

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