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The New American Power Center

2024/12/13
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People vs Algorithms

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Alex Schleifer
曾任 Airbnb 首席设计官,现为《People vs Algorithms》播客主持人和《Human Computer》项目创始人。
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Brian Morrissey
媒体行业专家,前Digiday编辑总监,创作者和主持人 của《The Rebooting Show》和《The Rebooting》newsletter。
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Troy Young
一位在媒体和广告领域取得广泛认可的高管、顾问和投资者。
Topics
Troy Young: 本期节目讨论了科技如何成为新的权力中心,以及人工智能对媒体和广告业的影响。他认为,在网页上添加聊天机器人并不能拯救媒体业务,媒体需要探索新的内容形式和盈利模式,摆脱对网页的依赖。他还讨论了广告公司的合并以及量子计算技术的发展。 Brian Morrissey: 他对人工智能技术持谨慎态度,认为科技乐观主义忽视了新技术的潜在负面影响,并指出人工智能技术可能被用于武器系统和广告操纵。他还讨论了Luigi案件,认为该案件反映了社会对医疗保健体系的不满,并引发了公众的共鸣。 Alex Schleifer: 他认为,ChatGPT 等AI工具正在迅速取代谷歌等传统搜索引擎,媒体内容需要足够独特或实用才能在AI时代保持竞争力。他还讨论了美国科技行业的统治地位以及广告公司的转型。他认为,独立的广告公司将成为未来广告业的赢家,并且社交媒体正在改变人们获取和传播信息的方式,传统媒体的影响力正在下降。 Troy Young: 他认为优秀的新闻通讯很难创作,需要天赋和技巧,并且创建高质量且可持续的新闻通讯是一个挑战。新闻通讯不应仅仅是播客的简单补充,而应具有独立价值,作为独立媒体单元,为读者提供实用价值。他还讨论了广告公司正在适应新的环境,并试图与科技巨头竞争,广告公司正在转型为数据驱动的平台,以应对科技巨头的挑战。 Brian Morrissey: 他认为,简单地将AI工具添加到网页上并不能增加其价值,科技已成为新的权力中心,并正在逐渐吞噬其他行业。他还讨论了Luigi案件,认为该案件反映了社会对医疗保健体系的不满,并引发了公众的共鸣,社交媒体上的事件可能反映了现实世界的情况。 Alex Schleifer: 他认为,在网页上添加AI工具并不能解决媒体业务的根本问题,媒体需要在传统模式和未来发展之间取得平衡,媒体内容需要足够独特或实用才能在AI时代保持竞争力。他还讨论了广告公司正在失去人才,其服务已不再具有独特的优势,广告公司主要通过媒体购买来盈利,其利润率正在下降。

Deep Dive

Key Insights

Why is tech becoming the dominant power center in the U.S.?

Tech is swallowing media and other industries, accruing significant power due to its massive impact on daily life and its ability to dominate sectors like auto, transportation, defense, and finance. American exceptionalism is increasingly tied to the dominance of the tech industry, which is 20 times larger than Europe's largest tech companies.

Why won't adding a chatbot to a webpage save the publishing business?

Slapping a chatbot onto a webpage provides minimal value and doesn't address the core issues of friction and ad-cluttered experiences. Users can already summarize or query content using tools like ChatGPT, making the addition redundant and uncompetitive.

What is the future of the web page in the age of AI?

The web page format is becoming less relevant as users prefer less friction and more conversational formats. Publishers need to innovate with audio, short-form video, or unique content experiences that abandon traditional web page constraints to stay competitive.

How is AI changing user behavior in terms of accessing information?

Users are increasingly turning to AI tools like ChatGPT for quick answers, often bypassing traditional search engines like Google. This shift could lead to a significant loss of traffic for publishers relying on web pages for distribution.

What is the significance of the merger between Omnicom and IPG in the ad industry?

The merger aims to create a data-driven advertising platform to compete with tech giants like Google and Meta. However, it also reflects the decline of traditional ad agencies, which are being consolidated into larger, less creative, and more service-oriented entities.

Why are traditional ad agencies struggling in the modern media landscape?

Ad agencies are losing relevance as clients increasingly prefer in-house talent over external agencies. The focus has shifted from creative work to media buying, which offers lower margins and less prestige, making the traditional agency model unsustainable.

What role does populism play in the current tech-dominated landscape?

Populism is threading a delicate needle as tech leaders co-opt the movement, but tensions could rise if it shifts from culture war to class war. Tech's dominance as a power center may face backlash if it becomes seen as exploitative rather than aspirational.

How is quantum computing impacting the tech industry?

Quantum computing promises to solve complex problems in minutes that would take supercomputers 10 septillion years. While its applications are still unclear, it could revolutionize industries, but also raise ethical concerns about its use in weapons systems and advertising.

What is the significance of the reaction to the assassination of the UnitedHealth CEO?

The reaction reflects growing populist anger toward powerful institutions like the healthcare industry. It highlights the disconnect between the public's frustration with bureaucratic systems and the media's ability to control narratives in the digital age.

What is the future of local media in a globalized, tech-driven world?

Local media faces challenges in scaling globally due to the complexity of local markets and competition from tech platforms. Success will depend on finding unique value propositions that tech cannot easily replicate.

Chapters
The hosts discuss the creation of a newsletter to complement their podcast, exploring different formats and challenges in creating a valuable and engaging read for their audience. They consider Alex's involvement and the balance between effort and impact.
  • Creation of PVA companion newsletter.
  • Challenges of creating a high-quality newsletter.
  • Exploring different formats: conversational, expanding content, Alex's contributions via voice notes or short writings.

Shownotes Transcript

Tech has swallowed media, and is increasingly swallowing other industries and accruing power along the way. Plus: why adding a chatbot won’t save the article page, the real message of the big ad holding company merger, and an introduction to the new PvA companion product.