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S8EP90 同志YouTuber夫夫之道|爭取很久且喜歡的東西你不會丟掉,會想辦法修復,伴侶也應該是

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馬力歐陪你喝一杯

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马力欧: 本期节目邀请了知名YouTuber夫夫之道的阿凯和李欧,他们以男同志伴侣的身份,通过YouTube频道分享关于性别平权、多元性别等议题。他们的交往故事,不仅是同志伴侣的相处,更是两个年轻人自我剖析、理解关系、分享喜怒哀乐的过程。节目内容既有欢乐也有沉重部分,包括李欧被霸凌的经历以及两人向已故父亲出柜的感受。 阿凯: 我们最初创立YouTube频道时,也曾想过设计专属的招呼语和手势。在感情中,伴侣间的互相扶持和角色转换很重要,不能永远只有一方在付出。我和李欧是在一个研究生群组中认识的,一开始是通过网络互动吸引彼此注意。我精心策划了一次告白,因为李欧之前从未被告白过。我为李欧精心准备了告白的场景和礼物,包括蜡烛、巧克力和象征结婚的卡片。我们曾经很在意视频播放量,但现在更注重创作过程中的享受和自我肯定。参加"未来大人物"是为了让更多人关注性别议题,关键评论网的平台更符合我们的价值观。获得"未来大人物"的称号,对我们来说是一种肯定,但也意味着更大的责任和压力。 李欧: 我在研究生群组中与他人互动,包括学术讨论和生活分享,吸引了阿凯的注意。我在群组中分享生活照,展现自信,也因此吸引了更多关注。收到阿凯送的咖啡后,主动联系了他,表达感谢并表达了想进一步认识他的意愿。第一次见到阿凯时,觉得他跟网上的照片不太一样,本人更像个阳光大男孩。阿凯像个孩子一样天真烂漫,充满好奇心,这很吸引我。我从志愿者工作中找到了自我肯定,并逐渐走出被霸凌的阴影。我小时候因为性别气质问题,在学校厕所遭受霸凌。那次争执中,我因为阿凯在比赛期间的行为而感到委屈,最终导致了分手。我曾努力攒钱买了一块心爱的表,但它多次损坏后,我选择珍藏而不是丢弃,这让我联想到感情的珍视。如果阿凯没有主动告白,我会逼他告白。我看到告白现场的火光时,非常期待,但没想到一开始就看到阿凯的朋友,所以第一句话是脏话。我希望能简单而有意义的求婚,例如直接去登记结婚。我也希望求婚能在很多人见证下进行,以分享喜悦。我与父亲的关系复杂,既有亏欠感也有埋怨,写作让我有机会与过去和解。在面对亲子关系时,重要的是接纳彼此的局限性,并相信自己值得被爱和被原谅。我写下与父亲相关的章节,是为了诚实面对自己内心的感受,并与过去的埋怨和解。我不再被视频播放量影响情绪,而是专注于创作本身和自我肯定。我们鼓励创作者要对得起自己,创作出自己喜欢且不后悔的作品。

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Why did 阿凯 and 里欧 decide to create the YouTube channel '夫夫之道'?

阿凯 and 里欧 created the YouTube channel '夫夫之道' in 2016 to advocate for gender equality and LGBTQ+ rights. They wanted to use their platform to share their experiences as a gay couple and to provide a voice for those in the LGBTQ+ community who are unable to come out publicly. Their goal was to promote understanding and acceptance through their content.

What was the significance of the book 《不OK的我們也很好》 in 阿凯 and 里欧's relationship?

The book 《不OK的我們也很好》 documents 阿凯 and 里欧's journey as a couple, including how they met, their conflicts, and how they worked through challenges. It serves as a reflection of their growth and the lessons they’ve learned over their 9-year relationship. The book also highlights their commitment to repairing and strengthening their bond rather than giving up when faced with difficulties.

How did 阿凯 and 里欧 first meet?

阿凯 and 里欧 first met in 2016 through a LINE group for gay graduate students. 阿凯 noticed 里欧 because he was very active in the group, sharing both academic and personal content. Their first in-person meeting occurred during a group outing to a night market in Taoyuan, where they began to develop a deeper connection.

Why did 阿凯 and 里欧 decide to include their relationship struggles in their book?

阿凯 and 里欧 included their relationship struggles in their book to show that no relationship is perfect and that it’s normal to face challenges. They wanted to share how they navigated conflicts and worked together to improve their relationship, offering insights and encouragement to others who may be going through similar experiences.

What was the turning point in 里欧's life after experiencing bullying?

The turning point for 里欧 after experiencing bullying was when he started volunteering at social welfare organizations. Seeing others who faced even greater challenges inspired him to shift his perspective and focus on helping others. This experience helped him overcome the trauma of bullying and find a sense of purpose and self-worth.

How did 阿凯 and 里欧 handle the backlash during the marriage equality referendum in 2018?

During the marriage equality referendum in 2018, 阿凯 and 里欧 faced backlash and negative comments on their social media platforms. They chose to respond with kindness and love, often replying with positive messages like 'We love you.' They also focused on educating those who misunderstood LGBTQ+ issues by providing accurate information and resources.

What was the motivation behind 阿凯 and 里欧's participation in the 'Future Big People' initiative?

阿凯 and 里欧 participated in the 'Future Big People' initiative to bring more visibility to gender equality issues. They wanted to use their platform to advocate for LGBTQ+ rights and to show that gender equality is an important part of achieving broader societal goals. Their participation also helped them gain recognition and support for their advocacy work.

How did 阿凯 and 里欧's relationship evolve over the years?

阿凯 and 里欧's relationship evolved from being a couple focused on their individual struggles to a partnership with a shared mission to advocate for LGBTQ+ rights. Over the years, they learned to communicate better, support each other, and navigate challenges together. Their relationship became stronger as they worked towards common goals and continued to grow both personally and as a couple.

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本集訪談一開始介紹了Youtuber 夫夫之道,並聊到他們經營頻道的歷程,以及新書《不OK的我們也很好》的創作理念。內容涵蓋了兩人從研究所時期的相識、交往過程,以及如何透過網路平台分享彼此的觀點和經歷。
  • 夫夫之道為知名YouTuber,分享性別平權議題
  • 透過劇場和不同單元分享多元性別觀點
  • 新書《不OK的我們也很好》分享交往過程
  • 從研究所時期的LINE群組相識

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《馬力歐陪你喝一杯》節目製作即將邁入第九年!喝一杯經典「人物故事訪談」繼續耕耘,陸續探索這世界有趣的靈魂們!

▲本集內容 同志伴侶 Youtuber「夫夫之道」的阿凱和里歐,頻道是透過劇場以及各種不同單元的方式,來分享關於性別平權、多元性別等議題的各自觀點。另外,「夫夫之道」也是我們關鍵評論網媒體集團2022年的「未來大人物」。 最近他們出版了一本書《不OK的我們也很好》,書中分享了他們如何認識、交往、衝突、討論的各種過程。 這集主要也就是在聊他們兩人相知相處的各種過程。他們交往至今的故事,並不只是一對同志伴侶相處的故事,更是兩人從研究所開始,交往至今9年的故事,並不只是一對同志伴侶相處的故事,更多的是兩個年輕人他們自我剖析的想法、還有對於關係的理解,以及如何分享開心和不開心的過程。 我覺得這一集大部分都是很歡樂的,但是中間也有比較沉重的過程,包含了里歐被霸凌,以及兩位如何對已故的父親出櫃的想法。我一直覺得,父親對兒子、母親對女兒是比較複雜的情感,這一段,我自己也收穫很多。 溫馨提醒,這一集也有一些可能會比較令人不舒服的內容,如果是家長帶小孩收聽,或是有些情感壓力的聽眾,可以斟酌收聽。 ▲本集使用的音樂:Impressions (Acoustic) by Robert Alan DunnCreative Commons CC BY SA 3.0Robert-dunn-15 – Impressions-acoustic

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