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The first time I met someone who believes in God

2024/11/25
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Derek Sivers: 作者在成长过程中从未接触过宗教,对宗教的概念很模糊。直到11岁时,作者第一次遇到相信上帝的朋友Mark,才开始接触到宗教信仰。起初,作者将上帝与圣诞老人等虚构人物相比较,认为上帝只是一个美好的想法,并不被大多数成年人真正相信。在与Mark讨论的过程中,作者对宗教的荒谬性感到好笑,并用开玩笑的方式质疑了Mark的观点,例如询问如果变成蝗虫,体型会不会改变等等。然而,Mark却认真地对待宗教信仰,并警告作者如果不相信上帝,审判日会变成蝗虫。作者最初的经历让他对宗教感到荒谬,但现在,他以业余人类学家的身份试图理解各种宗教。 Mark Hemstreet: Mark 从小就接受宗教教育,认真地相信上帝的存在。他认为作者亵渎了上帝,并严肃地警告作者如果不相信上帝,将会在审判日变成蝗虫。他对作者对宗教的轻率态度感到担忧,并告诫作者不要拿这些事情开玩笑。Mark 的观点代表了虔诚的宗教信仰者对信仰的坚定和对不敬行为的敏感。

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Hi, I'm Derek Sivers, and this is The First Time I Met Someone Who Believes in God. My parents never mentioned God or any religion. Not necessarily atheist, nothing against. The subject just never came up. I grew up across the street from a Catholic church, 440 South Clay Street in Hinsdale, Illinois. Like any temple of a religion you'd heard nothing about, it had no meaning to me. My best friend, Mark Hemstreet, lived next door.

We were 11 years old, playing in the snow. I hit my hand on some ice and said, God damn it. He looked at me surprised and said, You took the Lord's name in vain. I said, Wait, are you kidding or serious? He said, Serious. I thought he was straight-faced kidding. I honestly didn't know anyone believed in God.

Because the subject had never come up, I thought God was just like Santa Claus. A sweet idea, but almost nobody over the age of eight actually literally believes it, right? I said, wait, so do you believe in the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy? He looked scared and said, dude, this is serious. If you don't believe in God, you're going to turn into a locust on Judgment Day. They told us at Sunday school.

I laughed and said, "Oh really? Well if they've got all the facts, then what kind of locust will I be? Will I stay the same size or will I shrink down? How does it work? What are the details?" He didn't answer but was really concerned for me and said, "You can't joke about this stuff." Because that was my introduction to religion, I used to find them ridiculous.

But now, as an amateur anthropologist, I'm trying to understand them all. See my next post on this subject.