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Gustav Söderström - How Spotify Thinks - [Invest Like the Best, EP.424]

2025/5/20
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Gustav Söderström: 我认为人工智能是一场不可避免的变革,就像之前的智能手机和互联网一样。公司要么适应,要么消亡。面对这种宏观趋势,我们必须调整自身定位,顺应潮流。人工智能不仅影响我们的产品,还影响我们的生产力和竞争力。我们很早就开始使用机器学习,现在我们正在探索生成式人工智能。我认为生成式人工智能与传统机器学习的区别在于,它允许我们通过自然语言输入进行双向交流。这意味着消费者产品将发生根本性变化,信息接收和反馈将更加对称,未来将更像对话而非服务。在编码方面,我认为人工智能的最大影响尚未到来,尤其是在大型公司中。未来的重点将是代码重构和自动代码审查。当然,人工智能也会影响开发人员的其他工作,如沟通、计划和会议。总的来说,我认为人工智能的影响被高估了,但从长远来看,它将产生巨大的影响。为了充分利用人工智能,我们需要重塑自身,并为推理引擎实时推理公司所有数据而重建。

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My guest today is Gustav Söderström). Gustav is the Co-President, Chief Product Officer & Chief Technology Officer at Spotify. Gustav lets us behind the scenes on how Spotify thinks about the future of audio and video, and what leadership lessons he's learned from making mistakes and taking risks in a rapidly changing technological landscape. He shares fascinating insights on their synchronized team structure and how they have positioned themselves as "the R&D department" for the entire music industry. We discuss their integration of AI, their unique "bets board" process for allocating resources, and how they've evolved from a music service into a multimedia platform with over 650 million users. Please enjoy my conversation with Gustav Söderström.

For the full show notes, transcript, and links to mentioned content, check out the episode page⁠ here.⁠)

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Editing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant (https://thepodcastconsultant.com)).

Show Notes:

(00:00:00) Welcome to Invest Like the Best

(00:05:27) Spotify's Journey Through Technological Shifts

(00:06:28) The Impact of Generative AI on Consumer Products

(00:09:36) AI in Coding and Productivity

(00:11:11) Consumer Engagement and AI Playlisting

(00:14:43) Strategic Frameworks and Decision-Making at Spotify

(00:19:39) The Bets Process: Structured Innovation

(00:31:11) The Future of AI and Business Models

(00:44:31) The Future of AI and Inference Costs

(00:46:21) The Concept of Computronium and Infinite Computing

(00:47:02) David Deutsch and the Beginning of Infinity

(00:48:55) The Power of Explanations and Human Understanding

(00:54:03) Spotify's Free Tier and Consumer Needs

(00:56:45) Spotify's Relationship with the Music Industry

(01:03:03) The Rise of Podcasting and Audiobooks

(01:15:45) Personal Interests and Continuous Learning

(01:20:32) The Kindest Thing Anyone Has Ever Done For Gustav