TWiT 1008: Internet Legal - Australia's Social Media Ban for Kids, Smart Home Nightmare, Bluesky's Ascent
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This is to IT this week and take episode one thousand eight, recorded sunday, december first, twenty twenty four, internet legal.

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lot times you're on when i'm not here because you my regular steam filling people.

So it's I was ah I can really just like phoned in now, right I could just in verse god knows i've been .

doing that for twenty years. Nothing wrong with that. Biggest story the week is that australia has has done what everybody else has been waiting and wondering.

They've banned social media for everyone. Bandit for everyone under sixteen doesn't going to affect until next year. I mean, next next year like it's a year away. But still that's a big deal. I'm sorry, this new york times just decided to keep me out of fear.

Every new site does this. Yes.

I am a subscriber, by the way. I just i'll sign in and then we'll be able to see this story. Unclear even even the australian parliamentary, whatever they've got there, says not sure how it's going to enforced, but it's up, it's up to the social media networks to figure that out. This a good idea.

IT feels a lot like a kind of this is a warning you guys need to sort this out. It's gonna get or we're going we're onna really crack down because that there's no penalties for the people that sign up. This is all designed to penalises the companies. So if this feels IT feels a bit like grandstanding to some extent, like a warning, like you need to you need to shape up or ship out very straight forward. Australian people, they like, you know, they don't pussy for around.

sailed cording. The new york times sailed through the parliament in the lower house in the wednesday passes and on thursday, prime minister has said IT puts australia at the vanguard of efforts to protect the mental health and well being of children from the detriment effects of social media, that is, online hate or bullied they have again. They'll never be bullied again.

They'll take recent steps for the corporations. So we find about thirty two million dollars for systemic failure to implement age requirements. You know, these guys make so much money that thirty two million isn't.

They might just say, ef, find whatever will pay the fine deventer is IT possible. That is the real question. We talk about this a little bit last week, is IT possible to do age checks without violating the privacy of everyone who uses the medium.

I don't I don't really think so. Like we've been seeing this reports of this happening for a while. But also the same conversation happens around like limiting porn axis in the U. S.

In some states to and IT is IT is from what i've seen from the researchers, like IT is kind of impossible to do that without infringing ing on other rights, are making the experience more complicated. And also think I think this whole thing kind of just misses the point, right? Like because kids have had access to this stuff for a while.

Um it's really hard to just say no. This is impossible now, especially when you're not putting in restrictions on IT. And I feel like IT misses the point of what they really need is to just really um push these companies to be Better rather than liming IT IT.

Uh, altogether, I think it's just like an an easy fix to assume like, okay, you're making the internet for these kids. Kids are onna find a way around this if they want to talk to their friends and other countries. So this is not really much of a fix, but it'll make the adults in the politicians in australia feel Better about themselves.

I guess I remember when I was a kid that I was generally considered really horrendously damaging the kids that they would watch hours of TV.

This is what IT feels like to me. He feels like our generations television. It's like rotten. Your brain that the previous generations music, yeah, it's like this is rotten your brain to be feather.

This social media is a little bit more intense and pervasive um than TV or rocking roll. But IT does feel like IT has a similar kind of this generation. This is what we're dealing with.

And I think you know, my point about this being sort of you know, a warning shot is I think australia knows and companies, the countries that have explored this, no, that there isn't really anything you can legislate here. But you do need to create this of a sense of we need to fix what's broken about these platforms, because there are so many benefits of me. When I was last only we talked about this, I think we metic tok, because there was something similar was happening.

There are so many benefits to social media and the internet and having allowing children online, but they're obviously significant downsides and things that have to be policed and managed by either parents or communities or the government in this case. But you know how you do IT and what the detriment also is of some kind of law like this. Like, are you going to the like you say people have friends and connections that they may lose and that that can have a negative benefit on people just as much as cutting them off, cutting them off off line.

And it's not just social media too. I mean this think youtube is not included in this um messaging groups are not included in this. So IT feels like a sort of needle in the haystack to some extent.

We're going to target this one area and say it's bad. You have you know loud on into your sixteen and then you know but you can go to you do and you can uniq online message with your friends. So it's it's sort of putting the I feel like putting the cup for the horse.

Let's come up with. There's a plenty of great an energy we could come up with, but IT in some in some sense. I'm as a parent with the sixteen and thirteen year old children.

I appreciate that people are making an effort here to address some problems and could bring a attention to problems that social media is creating. But the type of blanket ban isn't going to fix is not a solution. So conversation.

imagine if australia had announced a ban for television for kids under sixteen and one thousand and sixty seven. No, no television of our kids under sixteen. The difference this time is that it's technology and there's something a certain group of people feel technology have this kind of attitude towards IT, like it's dangerous magic. But I don't think it's any different than TV or no.

Yeah you know what the big difference is though here is that IT is isolated and IT is individual.

So you are only quite you be .

watch with your friends or your family. Where is social media? It's, this isn't IT. It's the the generation that is, this generation .

I am socializing. This is where my friends are, are on instagram. M, that's who i'm talking to. Much more so than somebody sitting next to me on the couch being a couch potato. So I go at duck.

No, I was like, okay, back in when gugen was a thing in bad man and all the those shows as the only male in my household. So I watched IT in the basement by myself, and I take the time by my yeah. So I do feel that, yes, I understand why people think to take is scary.

But a lot of that I has to do with, in us at least, it's our education system. Because when we had opportunity, when people like leo and I dove in attack, when we were Young, everybody else, we were absolutely insane. This is crazy.

That, and that's a dangerous place, whatever. And in the us. Honestly, the media treated IT as dangerous, treated IT, treated IT as dangerous, up until they all got their own sites and became part owners of these media companies.

And then they stopped, said, our scary IT was and everything on a new za at the end, and was go to website, go to our social media counts. But so the parents, a lot of them still have that it's a dangerous plays heavily, heavily mired in their brain because that's the way I was up until about early two thousands. So there's that. And then well, I do for my knees, I I don't have any case, but for my kniebreche tell her we protect her self steam and we teacher to have some self worth and kids with good self steam don't get bullet.

Does IT change your attitude. If you know that rupert murdoch is the guy behind this, as he is the guy behind every damn thing that that is terrible.

And I, because he, he has a monetary best to get you back to his forms. What fox, I don't.

you could argue fox is more to harm your brain than instagram. absolutely. In may, Robert murdoch's news corp, the country's australia's biggest newspaper, publish editorial campaign to ban children under sixteen for social media.

This came straight from them, called let them be kids. Through the middle of light of this year, newcourt mass heads in the paramenters ary inquiry aired emotional accounts from parents. My child has lost their life due to bully ying.

Ah, this is scandalously wrong. Now, on wednesday, parris marina, who writes for the information, brought up the article SHE wrote for the information last weekend about a company called the yuta, which uses A I to estimate age. And this is something that certainly yai would very much like to have happened in the us.

As well as in australia. Only fans uses yacht. Tiktok uses the a the idea is, when IT looks at you is says, oh, you're under sixteen, no more for you.

By the way, luiz ana is doing this. They have age verification. Think it's for porn specifically. But let's say that this technology existed, that you somehow, and i'm skeptical.

Could accurately identify somebody's age by looking at them, like to the precision that you could say, okay, you're under sixteen, you can't use this. Would IT then be OK? If we could do this in a privacy forward way?

I would, I would really wonder about where that they is coming from. You know, there just there's just so much else involved when you're making these considerations.

they admit they don't work very .

well on asian people there. There is to be a lot of apps yeah there be a lot of things your data says not looking at um is just depending on the type of person, depending on how wealthy you are, you may look Younger than you know somebody else. So no, I would not have faith that .

this facebook is using yi. Tiktok is using yeti. That's gonna everywhere. This just .

feels like .

this quoted eighteen years Younger than 那样。

which is good I say i'd say you're thirty seven.

but this one was saying, really 没有。 I always been quoted older because .

i've had like grey hairs since I was a teenager. So i'm going to like mess up all these A I filters.

Well, jet fer, you're the one with kids this age. You're the one with one kid who would pass and one kid who wouldn't pass.

Well, I want my Youngest has just become technically internet legal, right? Because we in theory, thirteen is the Youngest.

You allowed to be international legal.

international legal. It's funny. I get little things keep popped up like a meter quest like I get things saying, oh, now that your child is thirteen ge, they're allowed to access to this, this and this. And so my whole sort of internet landscape for hers has suddenly opened wide up not that he wasn't already on a lot of these things, although i've never let her have an instagram account. I'm not fan of instagram.

SHE doesn't currently .

have an instagram? No, but and so my son does use tiktok, but he doesn't post. She's not being about, he just looks at her. Yes, he's the scroller, by the way.

And you know, one thing, I had my daughter's very creative and we just got a kitten, and I had sort of said to her, well, a few interesting didn't using social media, let's maybe do something creative. So we wanted to, yeah, creating account. You know, because the main thing he likes to look at tiktok when he looks with me is at the cat videos.

No, just that's kind of brilliant because he gets to do IT SHE gets to participate but .

but anonymous ly.

as a Kitty y and self and ative.

yeah, nothing.

I like me you love, but it's been right. I teach my niece and of you, they are both internet legal test fly I never before. So you have to create more.

You consume. Now that's easy comment from a creator and on the phone call. So i'm like, yes, you have to be on platform, but you have to great morning consume.

So my of you makes beats and dance video OS because he's a professional dancer. He's been on T, V hole. And you and my needs, he is just, she's not ready yet.

So aren't we glad that tipper gore did not ban video games for people under sixteen?

I lived through when .

went through that, we thought that was gonna le. In that generation .

was I had lived in connect cut in the nineties. He was was a liberman man ah always about the video games. How via videos are, I don't know, was spending a lot of time on the internet. And playing games got me where I am today.

So IT feels like demonizing technology and demonizing the internet is really for political game, not because they really care. That's what he feels like to me. Now I I think in our dic.

that's very true. Except, you know, as a parent, I have seen whether can be harms. And there are downsides to every technology.

There was downsides to rock and roll, so to television. And you know, I think it's always important to keep that dialogue open and to be looking for solutions when problems arise. I agree, a blanket, a blanket ban here is not one achievable or two really gonna. Because kids find the way around very easily.

American government says we understand that we don't care.

We didn't care. But you know social media has we went through the panda to which sort of hyper x hy realization for social media because everyone that was only way people could communicate. Um so for there are my children's generation, so they grow up with social media and IT became the primary way they communicate.

My son doesn't text message as friends. He snaps, chats them. And this is .

a is a yeah so IT but .

also the flip side, I think the danger and I haven't seen IT with my son because he's social in real life, but is when social is just digital and you don't go out and you don't you know you use that as the crush because it's so easy for children especially you know we seem to I saw a comment in the chat that there's been no proof that social media has any negative effect on people's emotions. And I mean, and there's research on both sides, but I think it's so much easier to create personas on social media and be who you aren't to be is so much easier you think .

is in high school.

But the point is it's a lot easy.

I was a drama kid. I had a persona, believe me.

But when you're in, it's a lot easier to hide behind the screen then and then when you go into real life, be a completely different person or be shy and not and and so I the healthy baLance is the important thing. I don't think planning b and you do. I was, I was to this is really down to the parents and the education of the parents, not so much the children, because we did not grow up with this.

We know the generation that grew up with social media will be having children in the next ten, fifteen years and maybe sooner. And that we have not had we don't have the tools as parents to really understand the impact is having because we haven't seen the the long term effect. We just see these awful stories about terrible accidents or terrible things that happen to people whose you know that people connect to social media when in fact, there could be many other extenuating circumstances.

And you know but the internet loves a good headline about that and that's sad. So we see this a lot. And I I find that as a parent, when you see someone saying, well, I my son was driven to do this because i've been bullied on social media, you can see why they're going into the social media was the problem, not the people, and that the parents have to be educated and they have to learn how to manage these steps of things.

I mean, one of the things I do is I use a program called bark, which monitors my children's social media accounts and their messages and other things and sends me alerts. When IT comes across what IT considers potentially concerning content, what IT tells me can be quite often pretty useless. But sometimes I will come out with you something that was like, okay, now I need to go talk to my daughter this and or my son about this.

And those types of tools are useful. You kind of have to fight technology or technology, but I just don't think a lot of parents know about these things and are using these tools. So um yes, it's about it's about educating the parents. And this is what I was saying about earlier on this is that dialogue do.

You remember stranger danger? Oh yes, I feel like there's whole generation in the group never playing outside because they were their parents were convinced that there was a stranger looking around every corner to ready to kidnap and abuse their child. But I think that did more isolate kids and create weird kids.

Then the internet did. And I was B S. The biggest danger to kids then and now is people they know, relatives and parents. And so this, to me, this is, this is tragic, because we have invented something very powerful with technology. And I think that the problem is that scary, some people and these people are playing upon our fears and their own fears, to damage something that could be incredibly useful. I know.

I mean, I don't want to take social media side on this. there. There are some benefits to as well. I use IT everyday. Um this stuff is scary. Like we should be aware of what we're doing and how we we're using and how our kids are doing. I think that's the important lying to tell here because there has been a lot of research you know in the passing like oh yeah, instagram has affected teen girls in some ways or other kids in that's overblown to and it's like clearly something is happening and you just need to be aware as a parent IT.

but the Price think they should ban mean girls in high school, that's what they should ban.

I mean, ban me. People general 变 变变变。 I mean, we we are currently building a new administration of just a mini and jerk.

So yeah, get ready. who? Who knows? Who knows?

General use this bark up, which is called bark a us. How much is IT expensive?

Yeah, I think I want to say it's like twelve .

dollars a month. It's a little Price.

They have a walk far because IT the iphone has very to work well with the so it's so I .

might be grandfather .

in and IT IT covers even any device that they use. So phones, watches, computers. As I said, it's difficult that iphones restrictions make IT hard for IT to examine some platforms.

But IT can act. Got this weird thing, they have to enter their pass code to allow IT to access. So every sort of twenty minutes or twenty minutes their phones will be like into your moscow. And my kids like this is really doing as like it's OK it's they are .

an android phone. So is IT also that .

will be child me. So I think .

that that's really the solution, not government or regulation, but that these social media apps and the platforms are running on the iphone and android phones should do a Better job of giving parents control parental controls.

And that I think that's what we last time tiktok just come out with some more robust parental controls because some of the platforms really you have very poor restrictions that you can implement. Like I can actually control my my sons tiktok account and control his feed as much as you can control a tiktok feed, you know like refresh IT to get rid of certain things. And no, those and all new features that you can get. So many of the instruction does not have great parental controls. I think they just recently announced new ones that they would bring.

Now have a teenager account.

yeah. So that's what we need to see more of. We need to see Better parental controls. Parents need to be able to have be able to go in and change settings.

And like also, you know you have parental controls on the iphone so you can limit time, time restrictions on apps. And and android has something similar. Again, kids get around them so you have to always be on top of that, which is is a full time job. But it's you're city is important jenner.

er, with three people who probably would be the kids who would have gone around.

everybody said didn't hurt us that bad.

right? In fact, way maybe taught us how to use computers. I am taking .

that that learning towards my like. My older child is just six years old now, so this is a ten year from now problem for me. So but h to what you are saying you like, I don't think it's just government regulation for a lot of things, for dangerous things has been helpful on the whole. The fave .

belt ah the danger .

but the company's worth. You know if we left him up to the cargo, we're be flying through windows left and right. But IT is like over regulation. I think something like a full on ban of an entire sweet of a absence often are just seems a bit available like this is this is not in last in australia, but hopefully day.

And we all come up with some sweet solution because I think these companies, I look at mark zaki k now and his new glow up, and i'm like, you just don't care. You actually, your solution to living a Better life is just to stop caring about facebook and instagram. What's actually happening.

He's all about diverse and A R and everything. His whole like new life philosophs essentially like don't bother with all the negativity, the people. Ap ap, yeah.

There is actually a creepy string among the silicon valley billionaires of jeff drivers calls a tesco al. That's the acronym at the point of IT is primarily doesn't met. This generation doesn't matter, what really matters is we get to the stars and the the generations down the road so they're willing to sacrifice everything in order to create agi trans.

You cope to explanations tary um and all that is for the future generations doesn't. And in order to get there, by the way, this is it's very close to you janick. Maybe it's not a bad thing if we print out some of the current .

people is absolutely generic.

is what you like musk says, have more kids but not if you're you know not in the approved categories. And if so, it's creepy as hell. The other thing I would say is important is that kids are growing up in the world with social media. They're going to grow up in this world. Isn't in a disadvantage a little of disadventure if they don't get access to be to their sixteen, they're not learning the skills would would be Better if they learned the skills of how to manage IT, how not to overuse IT.

how to use IT appropriately. I want to job on this one as a hood kit. You know why I don't use terminologies like sketchy neighborhood? First of I hate that because it's little bit amd's color races when people would say his.

yeah, you know what they mean? Know what they mean when they say scared?

As a hooky, I can go to any neighbor od and anywhere in any country. And i'm good why my next on the swim, I know how to hold myself. I know how to Carry myself.

I pretty much not in any danger. why? Because I was exposed to IT and learn how to mitigate these circumstances, as opposed to be fearful of IT and high from IT.

So not that I would ever advocate any kid be brought up in those kind of tough circumstance.

I was the eighties in dc, in new york, not for the week of heart. okay. But what that has allowed me to do as an adult is I live a primarily feared of his life and living a primarily fear.

This life has allowed me to succeed in many other category where everybody was afraid to go into. I was always able to go into stuff that other people be a scared of, including a state and tech. Honestly, back in when everybody was cared to tech, we were fearless of tech.

So we went in and we learned all these things, and now we're able to mitigate these things. So I this a case twenty two, because I have friends who are super, super tight lip about stuff around her kids, and I have the friends that there's like, i'm gonna searing in front of my kids. They're gone to hear in the real world, but they will never say that to me, right? They would never address me or insult any other dot.

I find the kids who raised in the house where that's not taken away from them, they're very respectful. The kids where is taken away from them when I get a chance to you, they want to try anyone, to explain, to try things. They were taken away from them.

My wife was raised in a household where SHE wasn't level. Listen to osborne and black sabis as a result. And IT drives me crazy. She's a big fan of hair, metal bands and drive me case.

I can just see her when her and tears. Now don't tell them I try my way.

So consequence.

And honestly, we're not talking about sugar. We're not talking .

about .

this. So I even believe like if you check the studies, as dev said, they're back there on both sides who paid for the study. When you really a study, always go to the back and see who paid for the study before you go all in, know what they say.

So I agree with you. Thank you, doctor. You're not a doctor for nothing, actually, for people who don't know you, you kind of work a doctor.

Weren't you in the army? No, I don't know. I think I know I was at that point.

Old are older than you. Look, I keep .

the thirty and private.

I celebrated a birthday on friday and IT wasn't IT wasn't a happy 哦。

You are thanksgiving fish, baby.

Yeah, thanksgiving ish.

That's me live in around. thanks. Yeah yeah .

anyway, good conversation. I I think they're lot of issues here. I think you're right. We've to protect kids from sugar too.

But I think that's the parents job, right? And I hate to see a the australian government say, no, no social media for you maybe though maybe genera, you're right away that this isn't intended to become a law because look at you see tiktok and instagram and others already kind of making some progress in paranal controls. Maybe it's just to scare model and going to do the right thing.

I hope that's what I will do because I honestly you don't see that this would be feasible. I mean, you know there's so many bans on so many things, but people get around and this is, as we said, has benefits, has negatives. But if you the fear of regulation generally is what creates the sort of incentive companies to fix the problems that they've identified, there is no doubt that there are problems with social media that need to be addressed.

And hopefully this type of legislation coming from countries and laws that we may see in other countries too. I don't think australia is alone. And I know in britain has sort of looked quite seriously into regulation and law for social media.

And we are IT. We have IT here. You have to be thirteen. So I mean, it's not like this is completely out out of their field.

So I think hopefully, we'll see the platform step up to address some of these issues. But ultimately, it's it's not just down to the technology. This is its social.

Its societal. We all have to. Help mitigate the harms and IT does if it's kids were worried about it's got to start with the parents.

Ppo, which sets the age thirteen, doesn't say you can't use IT IT says that they can't gather information about you that you know it's a very different kind of law that yeah I think is a good thing, right? You shouldn't we shouldn't advertise sugary sweet serials to children, and we shouldn't gather information about them when they sign up for platforms that you .

technically allowed to sign up for facebook. If you're so well .

that facebook s response to copper, which is right, look alright, that case don't be to using our site. If you're to thirteen, what they could say is, okay, we won't collect information .

on you that for them as a little .

too as a bridge too far for us. Gennifer patterson hute two is here. Great to have you.

J. P. T. from. She's on the verge. Do you do their podcast? right? Yeah.

i'm on the verda ast occasionally. Yes, especially when we whenever there's something about matter.

smart hat .

is matter matter. yeah. So smart home, anything sort of connected home automation IoT that sort of my rem and also on the to IT network once a month on technical weekly with Michael.

always a lot of fun on from a gadgets to enter hardwar who is going to see? Yes, you're crazy, man. Is C. S.

To a thing thing. I mean, I have not been since before the pandemic sending smaller teams. Basically, I think a lot of sites have done this. But this year, we're making a bigger push and get I I kind of miss like seeing the new stuff um that we need to write about for the following years. So especially when comes to tvs um you other devices like laptops and self, it's nice to get a hold of these things where I can tell people if it's good or not or interesting or not.

No talk about that when we come back. I think i'm glad to hear it's still around a dog rock who is joining us from the allow house states and beautiful homo lu lu, where IT is. You have an advantage in the advent of code.

Do you realized that joined me last night as I was trying to solve the first problem, which ships at midnight eastern, which which means people who want to get on the leader board have to soil at midnight. Or or if you're in the U. K. At four am or something, it's not too bad here. Nine p, but you're what you're five hours and .

three hours behind.

three years behind .

like dinner that comes.

Yes, nine P M pacific. I screamed on my channel and on youtube and so forth because it's kind of I think it's kind of fun. It's risky for me.

It's like going around naked. It's like I may be a complete IoT watch and find out, uh, dock rock, is that with the camps? Great to have you and of course, you have your own youtube channel, youtube dock, flash dock.

Thank you. And you know it's funny. We just had this whole conversation about social media, and what i've done for the last month was out, basically made video every day for thirty days and unedited and unpolished.

And I want to to be as naturally possible because my gene x people are starting to be afraid, because they think they need to edit everything from watching the kids and these perfect videos. And we are, he passed over that we got lives we can get to. So let be us and and share what we know. So i've been making a lot of video super unedited, and just, I love that in IT in the world is .

one of the reasons we do stuff live on twitter. I've always done stuff live on radio and TV to do the minimum amt of editing to kind of let IT all hang out. And I was looking back at the video I made last night, I was thinking, but I should, I would like to cut out that twenty minutes of wastes like tight that up.

But no, we go out there as we are. Duck rock at dock rock on the youtube. But he's a thinker, a creator of maker.

I'm you. I love that. What a great slogan.

Very nice. I love the unedited type here because there's too much polish now in social media, youtube. And I love IT. When is the personality and the connection that you can fill with when you're listening or watching someone? I mean, i've been listening to tweet for a long time and IT was one of my first podcasts. And I just know you really feel like you're listening to friends talk as opposed to watching TV or a radio show where is produced in polished and and that that sort of connection, I think, is something that social media, the internet has really helped.

Well, there's another there's another side of that. I watched my son who's a tiktok star, instagram star, uh, he's a uh, youtube cook and IT IT kills you all that editing to create all that content every day. It's just not tenable.

The people who do that a few years in there are burning out. It's just not good. So i've been in this for a long hall.

Authentic, so key, authentic things. Yeah, much.

much really great to have you three very authentic people with us today on this weekend tech. We'll go to see. yes.

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right that's what you get to do yeah and I do not .

sure I don't see a number, but how many anything do? How many people are watching right now? And all those dreams? Quite a number, I think.

So be nice, be pathetic. And when you do alive, you don't get to edit, and I can't like that. Ce, that you can call the consuming track show, right? IT comes from the consumer electronics association, but IT stands for nothing.

You used to .

the truck show .

and know if you don't explain that that that's what IT is, then you I mean, you're got to say that I don't know what to see. You IT doesn't want to say that anymore, but anyway, that's what that's what IT is. IT is Normally a show and has been around for fifty years.

I think something like that Normally show where electronics dealers would go to see what was coming from the manufacturers, that what they might be putting in their stores in the holidays at the end of the year. So they're going to january to see what they might be ordering in october. That's also important to know because a lot of the things you see eyes are not yet products or won't be products until the end of the year. So you have to kind of look at everything with a grain .

of saw what you might never .

be product or very often, nobody offers something. A lot of those, the a toilet paper robot .

yeah well, there's a lot of stuff people bring just to get attention get in fact.

i'll tell you the secret, they have these pre show shows like a show of pet calm and show stoppers see yes as their own. And the the key is if you want to get ahead of the game, you could buy booth at c Better to buy a boost of these little, many shows, Better yet, buy a booth at the front door. Because most local TV journalists are so freaking lazy, they'll get the video they need at the first two booze and then leave. And that's where the toilet paper robot was.

Speed dating for tech c journalism. That's what there's like pepco and unveiled.

And so you you're getting by now avaunt and probably youtube jeffer of press .

releases P R, getting ready for invites like I mean, what this number just kicked off. I will be filing in new york in a bit to take you know early meetings from companies.

But they actually oh, now they're doing IT even before you go to vegas.

almost definitely .

that's been generally you go to vegas .

for I will be there. Yes, it's been a big smart hometown for the well pretty since after the pandemic, since they reopened. Its the smart home used to be the section used to be really, really tiny the first time I went, which was I think two years before the pandemic.

And then last year, IT was almost the entire venial conference room for all smart home. I remember, I think, IT was three years ago, and myself and a TV guy and Chris welch, the verge, any sense of the three or four of us? This was said the year after the pandemic.

And he he went to the lazarus as conventions into which is the big one first. And I went to the vacation, which is the small one, because it's where the smart whom was. And he, he message on works like.

And he said, smart, the samsung booth is really weird. And I went like, about half an hour. I went in was like.

The samsung with this awesome because he was all smart things. No tvs. Wo he's like you yeah no.

IT was a big change. But yeah, for me that was exciting for him. Not so much. He's like, where are the tvs that LG still had their big .

giant ants used to be going in the north? Hold that first main entrance doors will open on the first day of the show and the crowds of poor and into the kind of the TV area. And I capit was an L.

G. Who would somebody would have SONY? Somebody would have famous penis. Always this amazing .

and IT was that I have .

been in years, and I ve got to say I haven't been since twenty, twenty. The last C. S, I went to was the coffee. C, S, coffee c, yes, I have to remember, I to remind myself, because at the time, the whole automatic pavilion, because I was in the IT, was in the south, all was just like a an area I always thought of, is like the tower of babel pavilion. A budget technologies that don't talk with each other, don't relate to each other, that are destined to break your heart really matters changed a little bit that now, at least there's an .

industry stay cry for matters.

I such A.

S without matter, and I like nothing more. And some I have my O G. Fill of bulbs are finally starting the hues.

You have Philip hues? Yes, phillip hues goes the timer. And I have new phillip's mixed in.

And the problem is they don't. Who got to talk each other? I work going to hope when hob feels like IT.

So i'm all in on anything matters. I'm watching like a hawk for a new stuff matter because is time. They retained about fifty four light .

bubs in jen fer matter was created by the big players. I think samsung was involved, google, apple. The idea was we admit we failed to pretty .

much only .

took ten years .

for them to.

right? So I had smart things, which is kind of a nice. I think the idea was sort of like matter to be kind of crossed platform.

Nobody really achieves that. So matter was supposed to solve this. Did IT as IT will IT.

IT has not yet IT has made progress. IT. IT is a protocol. Well, this various protocols that work underwater. Ter, so it's a software layer over thread and wifi and you know like blue to and wifi, it's gonna a while. And we've only it's been two years and they've made significant progress in two years.

I would say not fast enough progress for most of us, especially sorry, doc, for you and your humble bs. But there are a there are a lot of of devices out there now that work with matter is just that matter as a whole still has a lot of building to do before. It's really ready for prime time.

I am know the the general consumer is not onna benefit really for matter at the moment. I think when they first announced the first back, which was two years ago, they said this is the start of a journey. You know, five to ten years from now will be will will be where we want to be.

So I think know I buy, I would say I think five years as a good bet. So what are we in twenty? We're out to go to twenty five. So twenty thirty chase.

In other words, don't hold your breath.

But if if you're interested now and if you're willing to take the time and the effort put the effort in, you can go and buy bulbs that work smart bulbs that work with matter. And that means that will work locally in your home. And that's one of the key elements. And actually, this leads into A A story will be discussing. But one of the problems we've had with IoT devices to date is because they're so dependent on the internet or so dependent on a cloud connection.

You know you have problems when your lights, which is is A A lot faster to use the light switch, you say a always command because of late cy and lag and matter brings everything local and there is still the potential you can still use the cloud for the benefits that you might have from that like updates or getting the weather for your smart sprinkler. But IT IT all works locally in your home. So IT should be we're going to see a lot of benefit from that if you start adding matter products now um is just as the promise of matter was, you can be able to buy any device plugged IT in or screw IT in in your smart home.

And IT will work with any platform and with any other device that also works with matter. That promise is not really here yet. So we're we've got .

a ways to go for that. How sing? How long as they had they ve .

had or two years? I mean, went, how long did you take blue to some wifi? I interview IT takes a while. IT takes a while and faster for beth.

And wifi was at least five years to take five years from beginning to like .

getting somewhere yeah so what happened to zig B Z wave? What was what was the one the the first home automation standard? What was that called .

where you'd bio stuff .

your year earlier?

Yeah when you're in the in the stereo store duck rock .

oh yeah you know i'm .

talking about yeah .

you mean next one?

Next one yeah yeah you .

were going and way back.

way back. But that was the same thing. That was a desire to have a standard that would let you control of variety of devices in your house, right?

So zig by is what is so zig bee is still that zig by is the csa. The standards are all involved in matter, which is what's what's interesting, Better and why. Okay, twenty, twenty thirteen. My math was bet off because that's not five years when I learned.

Sorry, sorry. I.

I, I.

I had IT in my mind .

that I was looking at the room. But yes, x ten was the early, early days. And then we had zi wave in ig by and zig by is the foundation of thread. Thread is a similar uses, the same protocol.

Le radio thing, right? I've thread in my google devices.

IT began with the nest demos at, in fact, before nest was brought by google. So google inherited the foundations of thread. And then what's and IT now thread is very much a popular protocol with apple and google, so they're really both pushing IT forward. So thread is in all your hometown ds and in most of the apple TV and also in the iphones and in most of the new max as well.

So lovely IT talks to nothing, but it's there. That's one is wonderful IT builds .

like iphones forever. yeah. Well.

and we were seen a lot we're gonna start to see a lot more interesting news cases for both thread and the NFC to n uwb, uh, which is another radio protocol that seen in a lot smart hum devices. We're going to be be seen really interesting news cases around those in the next year or so. There's the new standard, a lero that's been launched by the csa, which is the organization behind matter, which used to be the zg by organization.

So they're build in on existing protocols. So it's not of starting from scratch. That's kind of where the that's whether hope is that this won't take quite as long as .

technology designed to break your heart, technology that promises everything that gives you nothing and the industry has desperately try to make this work. What is IT is that that you have competing interests that just .

can't work together.

how the .

really make good as the real. So this is a remake of V. H. In data.

No, no, it's worse than that. Worse, if you remain different.

ticket is the real at my point date.

This is no. We the problem has been to some extent that inviting because so we got all the the big companies came together to say we need to fix this. Like you said, you and you know the idea being if we fix this basic infrastructure for our homes than more people will adopt smart home because there was all these grand predictions that smart hom would just really take off and IT kind of plato's because of the complexity you really needed to be someone that was willing to be a site admin for that your home, in order to really benefit from home.

Modern, that's work. So that, you know, that is true. It's always so i'm the decide, man.

If I die, lisa won't know how to turn on. Anything like this is a bad way to do IT. Well, this yeah and .

this is what they are trying to fix, is make IT this so that you don't have to worry about the back end. everything. That's the point of matter.

We're not supposed to know what matter is in. Ultimately, IT should just work, just like we most people don't really know what wifi eyes or blue to. They just know that their headphones back to their smart phone .

or their TV is a joke. There's something like, does this back and make my that would look big or something? I don't I have.

I'm sent over here. Here's a home assistant Green server. I've got a home bridge running on my sono logy.

I've got thirty cassette switches. I've even the lights here. These old got lights are on the wifi. Nothing works together.

Nothing together.

It's all got its own APP IT works with their own APP, but not, you know. And then apple has a timely put a butch of button up on the screen representing this stuff. But IT doesn't do anything.

Google does the same thing. The each of their own home map. I think the tower of babel has gotten worse.

I want to say this is all a little discarding guy would the smart home hy has been the things since, like my first CS, which was twenty ten, living through that whole of IT all. So now it's like, okay, they're figure out OK. We get to really solve the whole background architecture thing.

I think that still the missing point is, what do you do with this technology? And I think for most people, that doesn't matter. You know, I have friends who really, really love getting all the smart lights and changing their switches and everything, but if the thing your changing is not as simple as just flipping on a light switch, and or not robot value, if that works, then IT stop working.

After all, worthless customers think they still not solved that problem. I think that one like home, smart home thing that has been really cool for me is like my oral cameras that our home kit compatible can show up on my apple TV. That's kind of cool.

Yes, I can hate about them and see where all my house cameras are um and see around my house. But most people don't need that. So i'm still is I like killer using.

I would say energy management is going to be the killer.

Yes, it's more expensive.

It's coming and that's what matters working on like super hard right now. That's the main focus. And that's why I think they have kind failed to maybe pull up the the really kind of core use cases because they're really focused on the future, which is a problem with protocols.

I think you know, when they're like they look for a goal and then there may be rushing towards the goal rather than fixing the foundations. But i'm hoping I think it's hopeful that will get there. But the energy management really feels like the use case that will appeal to the broader audience that matter was designed for to make things simpler.

Er like you they just added um EV solar panels, water heating such to matter and appliances so that you are in theory, you know you be able to connect all of any any energy large energy device in your home to one platform through matter and not have to worry about whether that works with home kit or if IT works with this this platform or that platform, whether you need home bridge or home assistant. Home assistant is is, I think, got a really sort of interesting future in this market. I hope streamline make IT a little easier .

designed to be a layer on top, top of this. So I live in north california and local electric company has proposed its fifth rate height of the year. We have a so we got a one thousand dollar energy bill this this month.

See, this is where you want the smart lix.

And that's the first thing I told lsa is, well, we have to figure out what is costing us. What's the thing that we need to turn off because I don't I don't know did .

you move your whole studio in house? lio?

Yeah, but I don't think it's I turn off everything. I'm only on three days a week and I turn everything off at the end I don't know.

Yeah is really low power, not like before yeah.

I think really, what is the great hikes? Not not us. I blame vg.

Na, not us. But I mean, five rate hikes in one year. I think people .

are feeling IT like I live in georgia and georgia power has a monopoly on on everything here and with the vocable a nuclear plant which took years to get on mind but like cool, it's on mind now um your bill is now thirty dollars higher to help know your a power pay for this .

nuclear power plant you have no choice .

in IT you know you have no choice based .

the same here we one .

place electricity here we have you guys too I think we're like duty of I think are pretty crazy. That's was various about this and i've told we understand, but like, we live in a modernity error, but my island loves to keep things old school because, you know, we .

kind of wo power.

Guess what? This is every day. And hawaiian, ny, you know, we have very little know what else is very in every day. And hawaii windy is, you know what they want want to do no windmills because they look ugly. And i'm like, but we're at seven year forty six and you know .

really see solar .

panel have so many flat top rules we have. So most places to put solar and we have you can do in your home, but like a lot of you know commercial establishments don't have. So when they built targets here and targets did like full roof um like completely sustainable buildings, target only been here about ten years. Then people started paying attention because target was saving a grip. So IT starting to slowly .

come online. But IT, yeah, yeah, this is, this is another in a different story. But the power company here won't let you put in too much solar because they don't. Are you competing with him? So you might put in as much as you might use.

can you have a battery there?

Yeah, we have solar batteries. So in theory, we could run off the grid. Yeah, do that. Well, this is where I think .

we're going to see and is gonna a long time because the infrastructure and retrofit in this type of stuff in current homes is hard. But if this is where the smart home really starts, I mean, this is where the smart homes started a decade ago when I had its resurgence with the next famous stat, everyone was like, all this is great because I can save money on electrical bill.

And so, you know, I think bad is the use case, saving money, convenience and security. They have mention the cameras and security homework. Current is another you. The home security industries has been completely up ended by the smart home and the DIY aspect, as you note, in terms of not needing to be locked into these monthly contracts and for home professional monetary.

So there are some definite there are areas where there are strong use cases, but the kind of the whole conceptive, you know your lights ending on when you walk in the room and the shades lowing when you say movie time, those are the the conversations that a lot of tech Donalds will have about this stuff because it's fun and cool, but it's the core benefit to our homes and our infrastructure. They think we're going to find connecting and interpret ability and having this sort of local connection in our homes so that our homes can out basically diagnose problems for us, manage our energy for us, look after, you know, the systems in our homes to save us money. That's where it's not the sexy side of the smart home, but it's the important side.

Yeah, that's interesting because I think I always think about what I really wanted to be able to talk to my house and say, hey, good morning that when .

dev said he was like early twenty tens of whatever i'm like, your man, millie was the jess's we are a kid supposed to have a long time ago. So like I on this is the jeans IT is still don't work. Michael talked about this sensor or maybe like a week ago, and I can't remember the name of IT, but I suppose to be a really good center that when you walk in a room, IT had Better false detections .

at the a ara F P. Two, so uses millions away.

Yes, yes. yeah. I'm to buy right now talking.

forget cool.

Yeah, take. It's a really, really difficult device to set up and they use IT if you have sealing fans. But IT is fun if you can get IT to work because yeah, the idea being at all just will know exactly where you are in .

the room and ology designed to break your heart. I just want to take you good, get your hopes up, slap you around, roll you to the ground. Sorry, we don't do that anymore.

All right. So we will watch from ce, your reports, Jennifer pattison, to we on the verge divider. What are you gonna looking at? A C, S, C, H, O.

am all about the screens. I just going to see those glorious screens and especially I know we want to talk a little bit about black friday. Um this has been a crazy year for tvs like I am watching OLED Prices fall to like rock bottom Prices at seventy seven inch uh OLED from both samsung and LG under fifteen hundred dollars wow, just while like what we're seeing out there.

So you considered still to be the best with screens or maybe the Q D O. Lets to be a little bit Better.

So I believe is the the new panel from .

some have a samsung .

yeah and basically, if you want to know that samsung or L G at .

this point are great pay twice, I think. P in twenty seventeen.

I pay nineteen hundred dollars for fifty five inch OLED. So you know, the Prices have just gone way down. My dad, one on sale like last year as well, like that is a great size for a lot of living rooms, sexy five inches, like the bare minimum from most reliving rooms now too. And you can get that for a thousand dollars on a no let.

So and this is just the benefit of of a larger market and more manufacturer and improve manufacturing technologies is .

I think so I think that's mostly is like the scale of producing the stuff has gone down. Also, this is the time to be great because if the tonson happens next year, like everything is going be more expensive. So b, if if you are even on the edge of like making a big pictures like this .

is now probably the time to do IT black friday sales?

Or do they are also super able sales like it's on going until next week?

Ick o yeah, we actually on the verge. We had a, you know we do deals posts about things. You know I can do a smart home deals post. We had a, we had a tariff to go buy these things. Thinking about you are thinking about buying these things by them.

Now just in case I think I think same or heads will prevail because know tim cook was able to talk a trump out of turfs in twenty seventeen by saying, look, if you put a big terrify, the time is only twenty five percent tf on chinese imports. If you put a big terrible on the iphone, you're just helping samsung. You're hurting in american company, helping samsung.

And I think every CEO saw that that because IT worked, so that that worked. And we will go to the trump administration and say you're just helping the other guys. It's not it's not going to do what you think. It's gonna .

and it's a hope. It's a big hopefully like be very little different this time around. They did implement terrace around farming, right? And farmers in the first trump administration IT devasted um farmers across amErica do so.

There is a very well in .

the smart home. We've saw significant Price Price rises on a lot of devices over the last year or so because IT was the knocked on effect from the tariff from the first trump administration. So i've had meant a number of companies.

I spoke to a verity so said, well, we're not sure on pricing yet for this product next year because we're waiting to see what the tariff will do. So you know, it's definitely we will feel an impact pretty quickly in in the smart home because almost everything you buy tech rise now, especially from my yeah is coming from china. You know there are some I mean, there's there's a bit of diversification since the last round of terrors.

I think we've seen some like a lot more taiwanese manufacturing. But yeah, we're going to the induction is definitely bracing for IT whether IT happens or not, also any excuse to be able to make the Prices. So we may see IT whether whether there are terrors or not.

Yeah, that's a good point. We saw them to do that with inflation. I said, oh good, know the egg. We can make the eggs.

Which apparently a big voter, like a decision factor.

access to the x what is that with the ex or people eating? How many eggs or people eating are they eating? IT doesn't.

Yeah, they have got ten more expensive. I think it's it's a jump that people notice. But also IT was corporate grade folks.

It's corporate grade. The yeah yeah.

I had their hands out or guess that would there be there out for a pair?

There was big, big poultry. They just got big poultry.

But we live in the chicken capital of amErica pedley a and the law says everybody, he's allowed to have their own chickens.

And yes.

I have I had seventeen, nine recently.

freeze.

Yeah, it's amazing. I don't know what happened. One of it's been I think we've a little disease going through.

So it's it's been a sad few days. But yeah, but I have I love, I love my chickens. I've been mazing chicken s for almost a decade now.

You had seventy. Now one of the things that happens with chickens is that can be a little smelling and messy. I saw chicken coop that you roll around, you bring IT, the .

different parts of, yeah, i'm testing in two smart coops right now.

And one of them, you can make up my generate. This is funny. You say that so my boss kt, she's the director margin em um last year this time he lost other chickens because the smart coup paying the the chicken blocked the sense or one of the the first ones that are dumb IT brought .

the kind .

of time and the the red was like the little bit and the records just went in. So they rebuilt. They did what you talk about, move the coup review and made IT without the smart door.

And they picked the husband, an engineers. So he fixed the smart door. And now it's all work.

We have a cat door that understands the chip in the cat and will not let another animal in SAT. The same a technology though so you can't block IT.

Yeah I don't .

know how IT was at a light sensor. I wonder how they managed to block IT. But yeah.

know whatever happened, but he lost our tickets in one day and her her little her little girl was good in give an opportunity that are explained .

her and which is, again, I think we should be in death and the children under sixteen should not ever have to experience that.

So let's not alia. Turns out perk says nobody .

is really hard to the conversations .

about surviving the future, right, is just get to have your own power, keep your own power, get a chicken, or rather on chicken, are building the max max future. Because that's where we and just as boy IT, yeah.

do you have a well and well water? And then lets see, what else do we need? We ve got the battery.

You a cow, maybe a cow.

Keep the daily going.

You know, really.

we should be .

teaching children basic butchering techniques. I think that's probably true. Yeah like maybe and it's great you can learn at a slaughter. You know .

they have four age. I mean, that isn't. They do teach kids living.

I just buy fifty pound sex of beans and I going to live on that. I did have a fifty pounds saa corn, but something .

got into IT and that was no good.

I only you want too big. Yeah, yeah.

Maybe I don't know that you first for the end.

you no IT was okay. So I have the problem. I don't know if I mentioned IT before, but I have buy .

things on instagram .

in the night and I saw yeah youtube yeah I saw a ah I thought this is great, a way of homemade tot as a ta turns out is like and tortha press and then you make your own mosses. So I got the murder in the pestle, but then you need corn. So I why I bought a fifty pounds at .

a corn so cheapo.

You don't have done is not rational. I'm saying it's three in the morning, and i'm not rational.

They should ban social media.

those over six. Yes, the purchases after midnight.

I'm like a grim lin, don't feed me after midnight and the .

grim now is selling random what they're calling like this new innovation, but they're like japanese of planes has been not .

in japan forever. Oh.

that's I keep seeing so many on ID and like, bro, that is not new tech. What are you .

talking about? What is a good .

it's good stuff but it's just hilarious how like, oh, we invented this day and then they always call IT like, uh, he bog and i'm like, that's yaki son that's not have did not even the same. They are different and it's like all you guys and the w matter. I lose my mind and all of the mislabeled.

I bought this internet gum, this instagram gum because it's made my hand. It's the guy makes of my hand, and it's the hardest little balls of gum. You just really don't you .

don't really taste the hand. Grace IT .

says it's good for you. It's it's remineralize ing your teeth but I don't know. I shouldn't buy this stuff on .

instagram.

That's yeah see, see, ban that stuff all right. So tvs and you dock, you used to work in a stereo store, used to sell tvs, used to be like three thousand dollars for a not such a good.

originally sold plasma a the moran .

plasma .

for like twenty grain. And then they got done under ten. And remember, people come store standard goes, I can't wait to they get under ten grand and maybe i'll think about IT yeah then I was like, I can't wait to get under five and now you can go to best bio bide TV for seven.

five bones, it's amazing and you don't want a plasma tech TV. Seven, eight of those ten thousand dollar players, they were only fifty five inches, and not even even have been that pig. And they burn in almost instant.

Yeah, because they were always on text TV. And the text TV bug was always on the screen. And they would they burn in like that.

I mean, and I got in trouble because we had this like fifteen thousand dollar phillips, and he was in the front of our store. And back then there was a weird of a kind of cable company and has flew by night speed by, but you guys were on that company was different from spectrum at the time. What was an inspection? He was also cable, which was and I used to watch take TV all day long in the store. And my mom is, so how and this and he's like you you're always watching that computers now this TV is broken and I like, now we're just going to play for form on IT be IT works yeah, yearly I used see this watch call for help.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Doctor before was even eating that.

Whatever was priority before.

I was Z D T V in one nine hundred and ninety eight. And then I became tech TV a couple of years later. And then IT became nothing couple of .

years that I I T of them when I wasn't going to be at the store. And then I just watched in the store then when we had no customers more at me.

like people apparently were worried about the terms because black friday, I think black friday, this is a record online sales, seventy four point four billion dollars, that was up five percent over last year. This comes this information comes from a dobe, which weirdly keeps track of all this total online thanksgiving sales. Thirty three billion people are buying stuff on thanksgiving.

Don't want to have to talk to their family.

No, I think .

that is one thing I don't like about social is that everybody sit in the table and I got .

even happened to thanksgiving .

looking at their phone. Don't be buying stuff on black. It's black thursday and friday .

is just a whole month now.

Yeah, yeah. Later .

the .

number.

You, this is a fight in our house. I always rebelled against the phone down rule because I never have that problem and would like, well, that's because you can entertain them because i'm the focal, right? So when the kids are .

around.

because IT entertaining the kids, so like, I wouldn't I don't have .

to make that rule, important rule.

How about you figure out how have commerce and they wanted talk back to you? Do more interesting. Stop blaming the phone. I'm just really mad of people blame on the phone, everything. And i'm like, it's people I do.

People is I sit there blatantly not looking at my phone, while everybody around is living in their phone, and I just go. Literally get energy, suck energy from the fact that I am the only one like I see i'm a good person. I'm not looking my phone.

You look at a your phone, but not me. Adobe said more than half of all the online spending was done on mobile devices. It's because that's up twelve percent from last year.

Was the right people I want to talk to their families. They went. There be, we tell, there be.

I know I think amazon is my husband's favorite .

social network because .

he sure spends .

all time about tell about three instagram.

You'll love IT. No.

not in anywhere near IT, all sorts of weird stuff. And then you forget you.

leo, instagram for us is that used to be late night ten P, M after s on T, V stuff. Yes, I never.

That's a funny thing. I the wrong .

thing. I .

no, yes, right. And if it's supports apple pay, all the Better because to o yes.

the shop up is dangerous.

My husband was like, hold this deal that we on this thing, we want to get our daughter for Christmas. We need to buy now, right, because it's friday like and I undergo understanding black friday like, dude, we ve got like weeks, but there was never coming anywhere.

He is just .

keep going til like december, january.

Here's an interesting change. I thought adobe said traffic to real retail sites from AI chatbot was up by eighteen hundred .

percent .

means .

somebody is using them. In fact, they surveyed twenty, said they were going to the A I chatbot and asking for recommendations .

in deals yeah .

so the plan now .

what auto search all the sites, right? So you're looking for something IT will go and you will get all the articles from england added in the verge and White cutter and anywhere else. And IT gives you to you in the state line and IT tells you these .

people and and build search.

Have you used with amazon? A I have you used to it's .

marking the office .

isn't responding.

It's super duck. Yeah, I tried. I wanted to know if the globe lights that I have back here because i'm start like this company, they seem to be a little and everybody .

and they work with matter too.

So that was my question in duff is wouldn't answer me I, you.

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name really yeah.

it's always going to be duff is for me now yeah.

because you can be .

room about the curtain .

lights back there .

is looking good.

And I turned IT into a spectrum analyzer. But the problem is that might, no matter how fixit, still look too sensitive. So when I stop talking and still will pick up the random annoyed. But I like the idea of that. Inspect.

tim is working. You're saying that those lights are a trigger. Oh my god, they are. They are triggered by your, oh my god.

we know what .

to get late Christmas instagram like so black.

red right now, you can actually get your you could .

put the twit .

bag on you like you put .

whatever you want on any kind .

of g or see nothing.

I'm more about you. Everybody else can say you copy in dog and I want to that's not good about your hair.

if I could.

fine. Is that your wall is the key. You know, GTA get IT from australian badgers.

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Oh, it's time for more government, more courts. Let's see. I am a spice up and start with iran. What do you say? So elan mask, I just love the guy.

He's decided, you know, this OpenAI, which heat, by the way, helped found in left in a half when they said we're not going to sell to you and let you run IT he has decided his zone AI now rock AI that open in eyes do too well so he he filed for injunctive relief from the courts saying, um you can't let them go on for profit because they're discouraging investors from backing rivals like my company x ai ah can you can you do that? Can you do somebody for being competing with you? The motion was found late on friday.

IT accuses sam altman, greg brock men microsoft and linked in code, or former OpenAI board member read hoffman plus templeton, former OpenAI board member of various illicit activities, and seeks to halt them. You should not be discouraged investors from backing open ice rivals you know what, if somebody comes and says I wanted do podcast advertising, I tell them, don't go to those. Are the guys come to us? That's called business benefiting from wrongfully obtained competitive ly sensitive information through open a connections with microsoft. All sounds like sour grapes.

The big one. I baby.

I mean, this is a big one. I baby.

like kay, can you do that is the thing i've been saying about elon must for the past. Can you bill campaign? Can you truck? Can you to other states to campaign? Ter, what? What a guy. And now he is firmly in place. So maybe he feels more protective now that he can do this sort of thing.

So for months, years, probably we've been posting on x know when the new podcast comes out. We post a link to the podcast on next. Turns out we were waste in our time.

Elon mosques says, yeah, we don't want any outbound links in tweet or whatever you call now ski zeds, whatever. IT started when paul gram, who's found a White commenter, a combinator, said that this was a rep for thankful ving. The the prioritization of tweet with links in them as twitter's biggest flaw.

IT bothers me more than all the new right wing tools. Tools are used to. But what draws me to twitter to find out what's going on? You can't do that without links, ellan said.

We do that's lazy linking. Just write a description in the main post that put the link in the reply. Problem solved.

theme solved, you should use to screw up on that story lio, because that is just the perfect elon face that I want to one punch .

or they always know it's so fun.

They has .

been so CoOperative with all of the publications. Getty has a variety of you can use in your posts. Well that interesting .

the sort of follow up for this is how much traffic websites, new sites and particularly have seen since the giant surge of blue sky following the election um because blue sky is like what twitter was in terms of the links, you know, if you want to just go for the news or find interesting links that have been shared in your community to keep up on the news, you can do that blue guy now. And you have been able to do IT twitter for a while. I mean, so x for a while I did right.

I guess we kind of knew this, but IT doesn't an that our marketing department been spending a lot of time put creating posts that no one has seen. Did you do you guys?

yes. Yeah.

yeah. Do you tell your engaging marketing department.

don't bother posting. No clear what happens there. We like social media in general.

Twitter engagement for me, a platform has not been very good. Like for the past, even per elon IT was never very good. The people never really saw a much traffic for from twitter. And now just like, oh, you've just made IT worse. So now people are doing a blue sky.

which is much smaller. But this is the same thing. I A meta also to prioritized news slinks because they don't want to want get involved, but they they .

want you to stay in their platform. That x wants you .

to stay on their plate .

on its platform. Instagram and threads wants you to stay in its platform. They don't. That's what I mean. Instagram never allowed links, right? So we ve never been able to link out in by her. And IT is the sort of all the news being a new source is not what these platforms want to be, although I think a lot of people who still use social media as a new source.

So there's kind of a real push. I mean, that's what that really was, was kind of a feed of what's happening in the world is in the right guys now. Now without links, it's kind of much less useful.

by the way, very less.

You, I blame you for this. You said, show that picture of elon. And what I didn't realize, this is historical, I guess, because remember, I told you we're using a mac in the cloud for e cam. That mac has reactions turned on and thought elon was so we get the two thugs up reaction, not in the podcast, just on the discord because I guess that's what's feeding the discord so that I don't know what the deck can happen.

That's a weird issue .

for perceptive that let .

me do IT again. O, O, K.

I just see if I have, yes, somebody.

what do you get? fireworks? Yeah.

yeah, yeah. My love. I yeah. wow.

Know people. We're saying this at the other day, they stop doing the thumbs up. You're getting fireworks. I no, not. But apparently in some platforms, thanks to they're .

being a mac in there, kay smart, but not too smart. So right now.

the OpenAI I the OpenAI angle .

that is kind interesting in here, I think elon probably does have like to stand on is the shift from being and not for profit. And we're going to make this Better for the world to, oh, hang on, we just realized that we can make an awful lot .

of money here. It's IT yeah mean, if you want to follow the saggott along and titled story that the original al structure was, there would be a nonprofit. That's the way elon and I think sam altman en in the other founder originally configure IT, but they realized quickly that you can't be non profit because IT costs so much to train these ala lambs.

Yeah, you have to make money, or at least raise money. So then they did something weird. They had kind of split too. There was a nonprofit in a four profit ARM. And now they want to eliminate the nonprofit .

ARM that the four profit ARM was like a little the revenue limited for some reason to so that, that was a whole thing. The sole reminds me there. There's some great conversations happen and bu sky right now.

And one thing that keep seeing is the people are saying, if we take sam altman at his work, right, that they want to stop A G I or whatever because of what they are building. Weren't we hunting him for sport? Weren't we sending people to stop him right now? Because you, you're the danger. A I people.

you tell me you came back to stop, sam altman .

told, so come .

with me if you want to live. That's interesting. yeah. I mean, okay. So really just between us is just the four of us. No one sense how many people, how many of you think that we really will, at some point in our lifetimes, have a machine that slight you could talk like hell that you could talk to like it's ag, I like it's smart. Is that likely?

I mean, there's a lot of things we don't know what's possible. I don't think it's going to be within the time line these folks are saying because like since I was in high school, i've been reading with you cocky and records while on these folks. And I think a lot less of them now after seeing their predictions and seeing where we are, fifty, one hundred .

years year maybe I both .

of them many .

and it's one of those other guys who I it's and there is going to be amazing and yeah I don't know what think jeffe we're you going to be able is your daughter gonna talking to a little um you .

know AI buddy like .

clarin the sun yeah a great .

book onder ful. I don't think we are as close to A G I as people will have us believe, I think. And I also don't necessarily see as much benefit from A G. I, especially for my space was seen an awful lot of push of, oh, this has got A I, you know, we ve had A I in this mart home since a leca, but that wasn't really ai. But I think S I artifical specific .

intelligence be.

the more what we're going to see in our lifetime, that really does change things that are very specific. The difference between, like rosie the robot and rumba, the vacuum, it's like whether we have, you know, one innocent being in our home that can do everything for us, or whether we have specific agents that are helping us do different things, those feel feel safer.

Yes.

unless this president .

c thing they do is launch atomic weapons, but other then .

why we build the atom? I know smart home.

yeah yeah. Just depends on what they, what their skills are. But you know, I have a little AI that helps me code and it's quite good and IT doesn't doesn't steer me wrong and .

IT works quite well and doing because I specifically I said .

don't say don't make up anything that you don't know, that you don't see in the documents that I gave .

you yeah I mean, do we need what? We're all techniques. We were all I five fans. You know, we love the idea of the status c computer ohio, and that this kind of concepts that, you know, we grew up reading about or watching T, V. And these are exciting ideas.

But what I, what's actually most useful is IT you know, the way apple intelligence summarizes my text messages, or is IT the way you, my robot vuu, can intelligently learn how to clean my floors, know what do we need, what do we want, what's the benefit that we're looking for here? And that I think that is the important question to ask, rather than let's create god, that just doesn't seem like a good idea. Let me .

complicate this. I said before we die, but I know because there's an APP that tells me that I am gonna die. This is, see, if I close my eyes, you can focus on this, says leo s gona die sunday, march seventeen.

Least, say, Patrick s. Day, twenty forty one, at the age of eighty four. Save the date I hate .

this APP so much, so stupid.

Cost forty dollars a year .

for you to make up a day? Yeah well.

that's the thing. And know has a three day trial. So I did the day time I remember to cancel.

What IT does that? You go to the whole question here. And then IT says, now do you want to know because you're going to have to pay.

And IT was, I hissed me off. That was really, really good. less. Now I did say, and this is, I think, the use of IT with Better habits, I could live tage ninety, but i've .

this doesn't just like fitness first, data and .

health is a that you go through.

And I thought I heard about some kind of connection that the fitness apps had to something, yes, that can do this well.

that's available. Yes, I saw .

this when I was doing some in talking to my family on thanksgiving, and I just screw .

right past. No thanks. No score. Pets says that is so dumas, there anything leo won't buy?

That's sure. If you see the ad for this apple.

what time I see an article this morning and I said all I got to try that I actually done this before. There's a free questioner that you can do on a website and see if I can find a think is called living to be a hundred or something like that. But it's basically the same question and it's for free. So really that probably Better for you to do that .

instead of instead of what .

I know that's true. This has A I in the title that's pretty cool in. All right, i'm frozen all my screens here. So I think it's time for me to take a pause, figure out what's going on as we continue with this episode, episode one thousand eight of this week in tech with our great panel, Jennifer patterson to e to at the .

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very old irish .

name I got from my husband, is very difficult spell and pronounce, which is why my other social media is J P, two, e, the number two, the e yeah. Very old irish name. And then also a beer in australia.

Don't really to be .

beer and maybe a bed. I don't know about the bed. I'd like to .

know about the bed there to to he, anyway, it's a wonderful name. We're so glad to have you talk rock, but also has a good name and lives in his body.

Amp, apple, your family could be a apple to apple.

Tui, yeah.

Greenness patrol stole that name. I else SHE did.

And according to the instagram, her daughter apple is looking quite lovely, by the way, I might point out. 哦， my cats come in. So that's .

another reason to go.

I did come here. Come here. You can't me see. Cats won't do what you tell you, just want to be A N, A, I.

There will be the best thing for the humanity. Cats design the AI because they won. Do anything I think.

I think you could get that day. I was a smart. I can't the brain is the size of a wallet, but how hard would this be to have an eye that is as smart as a cat? Not that you'd want that we bothered the water. So he likes to drink out .

of the ethe .

SHE likes to drink out of the the little forest on the shower. SHE likes that. So we bought a found more go near that right?

SHE has your own personal Kitty found and and now you stand there, my door going not respond IT, oh, here he comes. Come on. Yeah, I have a bed for her. I've got in my studio. I have a bed ready, waiting and able for .

her come. Many perk as I get is in another one.

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You know, they ve been around for a while. They going to three letter dot count. L, D. Those, those are not easy to come by. Oh, with the one more x story, which I think is kind of telling.

Remember the onion bought info wars, right? And the onion, which is great, that, say, alex Jones channel, where he was no rAiling against everybody, lost a one, a half billion dollar lawsuit. The Sandy hook family, because he said he never happened.

There were all actors. Such lies. The Sandy OK families actually accepted half as much from the onion because they prefer that the onion get the info wars site and IP and vitamins.

Then this other company was bidding forth that was essentially, you know, a shadow company created by, and for worse, to buy IT back. However, there is a little fly in the eye. This week, x filed an objection.

Now I thought originally when they said we we have something we want to say that they were going to say, no, we want to buy IT or may maybe let the alejo es use IT or something like that. No IT turns out that among the other things the onion bought was the x accounts, the info or twitter accounts and exit. No, they don't know those.

We on them, you do not own your social media accounts. You don't know your followers, you don't know your account, you don't own anything at all. And that is a fascinating assertion. I guess not maybe too much of a surprise, but yet that's something for everybody. Remember, you don't know that stuff you put .

up there get to start blog, going to get everybody person websites. Yep, your R S S feeds up to date.

I actually i've mentioned that before I using a cycled micro blog, both it's kind of a twitter, but it's also my, my, my blog. And when I post on IT, IT automatically posts IT to doesn't post to twitter because erp I is not open but the threads to master on and to a blue sky, not nice, isn't that cool? So you can post stuff here and I still owe IT right? It's mine.

It's just syndicating into those other sites. So if twitter, this is not twitter, but because I don't use twitter anyway, but if master on or or threads or blue guy disappears or a search ownership of this stuff, no, no. IT started here. I own this, which I think is the right .

way to do IT.

Let go back to IT. Yeah, yeah. Post, it's pasi post once syndicate everywhere for out.

Original might know the original, but one of the first microbot, I remember back in day which we all love so much. And I think he was called postal. Oh.

I used to and you an email to you.

they went to post, post .

pasters.

Yeah, too. I I love that. And I really what you say that today for my first video for this ver, I was going to talk about why i'm going back to blogging.

And IT had a lot to do with because like i've a one sense, the first invites. But yeah, I just feel like I know that I feel like somebody finding would be very good access to anything i'll put there later somewhere to happen. Me in the same patches day.

at least twenty forty one, I got some time and it's not.

But this was the whole sort of idea behind the verge s redesign last year was, yeah, what do we have these quick posts now on on our site, which are basically nei petal editing chief, we know he would sort to say to us guys that's not put our thoughts and feelings and ideas on on x social media sites, on x or any of them here, but let's put IT on the site. You know, let's give IT to our readers and you know that the verge now has more of a kind of social media stream field.

Ized very smart. He used to be on our show, but he's too smart for us anymore. I love.

what does that make me a well.

you're his proxy. You're A A smarter. How about that even smarter? You come on this sha, but I think really true, this is really true because .

you logging is great, but you there's always the kind of feeling like a blog requires a fair amount of structure or form or at least more than you know seventy five characters. So the idea these were more know that there were too fold. I think, no, I don't want to put him many words in the mouth and he's written about this so you can you can find out more.

But I was sharing things from around the web, which is something that social media is used for a lot. You know, we link to stories on different publications all the time that we that we like we think is with disseminating and then also just our thoughts, short and sweet when we have them that aren't necessarily a whole story because yeah, the verge is our home. Like my author page has all of my stories on IT.

If I go to x or if I go to any of the social media sites, as you say, we don't you don't own that. And it's what ant to always be able to, you know, especially a journalist on content. And this isn't just social media.

I mean, websites disappear so your content disappeared. I actually uses a surface called author that gets anything i've written online. And what's the word stores IT into, like a PDF form.

So that can always, even if the website goes out business, i'll still have a copy of my article um you know because the internet is unfortunately a femoral in many in many senses. You can always guarantee that something's going to either be there or be the same as when you wrote IT because things get updated. And so yeah, it's very important in especially for journalists to be able to keep copies of everything you've done and copies of your work. And I think anyone that thought that they owned their twitter account or x account, I don't know that many people really realized that that was the case. But it's it's true on all of the social media platforms.

really of course of course, that's why they can sell IT to an A I for scraping because that you don't know .

IT um well you know is fine is you mention the other page if I pull up alter page for me, they're all on engaging because to I got sucked into .

you're at the ultimate apple apple website yeah .

so it's working like there's .

still so well when i'm looking for something and i'm like， I forgot I completely forgot.

It's all over there.

Yeah but without .

without pictures probably because most sites to delete pictures.

some were broken up there really depends on whether was because we did a change over in the middle. And so some of the stuff that was on one of the services, all that the pitch survived, but I know those two R T V logos in the stuff .

which I designed.

And so it's it's funny. I really, really just resonated when when GPT was talking. I can not resonate to me about how much I missed those ideas of sort of owning your your own byline and yeah and was really crazy. Somebody had mention a way back up in a chair like you should to keep somebody maples stocks. But when I first moved over into the quote and quote journalistic tic side, I wouldn't like to keep your stocks dump people .

every guy frustrating I never have, don't know what to need, I never have. Um .

so.

I guess it's also important that you don't own your youtube content.

Yeah for the most part. And I fully understand that. I think that's something that I will do.

They post on youtube.

I take my people there, but I don't think a lot of people know that they technically don't own their content, right? And one of things that I also do, there's a youtube license and a create of common license. I tend to, I do that.

I do that too. People.

what if somebody steals your stuff is not mine, like i'm telling you thought from my head. And I have been in a couple techniques that I think of my own, but i'm just here .

to a still .

gets monotoned for me ban who I am. So like, I think that is such a weird concept in. We will be, I guess, Better off the more we get used to understanding of what we're sharing, why we're sharing in for right now, there's a lot of chase to be first in sort of one osman ship.

And I think that also adds to the toxic of the platforms because now from a tobacco that happened last year, people don't even trust youtube reviews anymore because one of the companies had one person that you are and keep your job by trying to talk a couple of the youtube and not saying that they paid for this camera review and and everybody slagged at the and I was like, you and I know most people like that company. There was just one person speak out to turn and, you know, I mean, so that whole embargoed day stuff is kind of, I tell a road once, road since me that I go, mine would be three, four days late in a while because I don't want to be on embarkation date. I'm not competing with these kids.

We don't own anything these days. They do like.

we don't know music, music.

We don't own you. There's so many things you think you you spend money on and you've bought in the digital world. Yeah, I think there's a lot of people that don't really understand that and that you know that and it's it's frustrating.

But there's also you're paying the you paying for the convenience and it's so much easier to these days to you know stream the I mean, I used to have, I know stacks of cds. I owned that music. Now you know spotify and apple music. I can listen anything I want, but one day if I stop paying, its all gone.

Yeah, we're still like physical media, physical movies. amazing. So you can get now.

But what can you play out?

I mean, I really on the whole winter things and I think and more people should be talking cable for .

you buy the film stock because you could always .

get film degrades, the degrades, doesn't know yeah everything .

grades yeah .

there's nothing .

that's that's .

very bad hawaii because .

it's so humid there. Actually, I try to and I .

like this way and I put them away and I going to pull old stuff and i'm like, wow.

I was working at a radio station when cds first came out in my the music direction. The program direction came to IT the conference from table and said, great news. Are replacing all the other stuff, the final and everything with these cds, they're structure. We started throwing them. They're .

not instructive.

We no lesson that day. You know, you mentioned posters. I feel like posters might, which I wish we could bring IT back was sold and went out of business.

The idea was to email your blog post. And I use IT when we went to china because we couldn't. I couldn't post on twitter anywhere else, but I could email. They could not block email.

Everybody parking about .

last post on posters are from china is really funny.

you say.

but we press supported that. My two thousand five. So, like you, could I get just the word press and other? So simple, though to the family of stuff .

you why are those all people just .

microblogging killed a lot of that like you did this small blogging like add where the midi blogs um but when you could just like far out of thought .

you on your just I really oner peace don't scratches at IT and so you don't need to do anything longer anymore maybe .

you didn't in the new I think that's also the beginning of our number one inability to communicate properly because I was easier to take a two hundred and forty character s and misunderstand person was saying, but if you forced them to write five hundred words where you can probably get out a deeper side, that was too much work. So we ended up overreacting to a lot of sort of this guy, two hundred and forty character tweet and we lost .

the ability to have conversation. When I just going straight to the life.

I mean, people still think IT doesn't matter how wanted is going .

to miss .

interpret everything, at least twitter like it's faster. I think, no, no.

you're wrong. Or like you, you heard five talking .

exactly one of the best streets. Is like that a whole other sentence? You know, I got even not even saying that .

are we going to look back in twenty years to say, remember the good old days of twitter and the twenty twenty years and you do I doing .

that now like the good old days of like early twitter and like how kind of cool that's cool you that I know things are changing. I am following the blue sky wave right now. Like the things are doing lessons. Blue sky as a company seems to have ve learned from the issues with twitter and everything else I think are kind of kind of heart man.

you know, everybody we talk to all these shows has started to move to blue sky.

Is IT you're not .

in Jennifer? Er, you moved to blue sky as well.

Well, i'm I mean, it's caught of the job really, but i'm on like all of them. But I would say that the blue sky, i've started to use more. I joined when I first came out. And at first I really didn't sort of find a community there that I was my smart home community was still very much on x but it's we've everyone's pretty much gone now and I massed IT on I still use um this quite a good community there that I interact .

with a old school 完了 we read are messed and on instance so i'm obviously a messed on supporter but it's cool yeah I mean.

there are too many though that's the thing now like there are too many social 所以说 that way well.

that's the question I ask when people say, oh no, we've moved to a blue guys. You move this was like as you still feel a need to do micro blogging, is that why? Or the .

conversations are great? Like, think that's why join twitter. And when I kind of love twitter, is that you could just strike up a conversation with anybody.

And to me, twitter was always the pure thing of what I wanted, from you know what I, to the first ill chat room. Like all people are talking about video games and animate here, if that's cool, because nobody in my town is doing this stuff. So twitter was that direct feed to the global conversation, and we can't. Recreating that in blue sky is much smaller, but it's fun. Like the energy is good.

but IT is skyrocket. You know, the last three three or four weeks, I mean, I think we the starter packed stuff really has sort .

of that was kind of A G.

I mean, I went from two, I think I I had like I know five hundred followers or something to six thousand and like a week. Now it's it's kind of hard to I still I still hasn't necessarily got its mojo yet. I think I mean, IT still feels very much just like this is twitter.

This was twitter, but without some of the nasty side of twitter. I love the links. I think that's great to have that back. That was one of the things I mainly use twitter for was a new source.

But the conversation I do see something much more engagement there than I see on threats and engagement we know is is probably the key for me. That's what i'm most interested in. You know you be able to sort of to talk to readers and reach and people that in the space have those conversations.

As you as you said, we vender that's that's what to do was so good for or x be able to reach out to people that you note you Normally wouldn't be able to connect with. I mean, I used when I when I started out as a baby check unless I reached out quite a few people from the twitter network on on twitter and interviewed them for stories I was doing and you know, I would be hard to kind of connect that connection is is really key. But the problem now with seven social media in the way everyone's using, it's like, where do you go now? What what's going to emit the racist on isn't IT, which is going to win or we just going to keep we onna have them all if they're going to continue once you fly, thought there .

would be that I wouldn't be replaced, that we didn't need this and that we just going to move on as something else. But I guess maybe there is a need to kind of create these communities on my IT would be nice if there were one.

But we've also learned that we don't really want to centralize this all in the one private company because well, you saw what happened at twitter um there is a make sure you this APP because I don't know if you know about it's called clear sky. You familiar with this clear sky dot APP they use the API to do some interesting things. So for instance, they say, right now there's twenty three point four million active accounts on blue sky. You can see the top most blocked, by the way. And but you can also, like I can do, put my handle in here and find out and this is really useful, what list some on um which one doesn't oh, I can also see who i'm blocking.

only blocking one person oh.

really i'm blocked by twenty two people. So okay, i'm proud to say here's the list year on. So i'm on three hundred thirty five different lists.

I think that's really interesting, right? So this is a clear sky dtt APP. It's a free APP that just uses the API and you can see if is somebody on here palm amr, who is blocked half .

a million .

sight of accounts .

they think, um yeah anyway, I just thought that was kind of interesting that to me a sign when this started happening with twitter, with cloud and stuff like that, that's a sign that he has gotten some currency in the culture. People are going to starting winning tools around IT. It's also a good sign because that means there is an API or there know and there is there's the APP proto. We should .

this list that I honor people's tweet this.

how a nice of you guys see, shop on to. You're end up on blue sky.

I bit a blue sky like, like J, B, T. From the beginning. But the only person I would actually talk to strictly enough with jake tapper because he was right. I like the book. We were never talking about what he does that .

what was cool about twitter just is Jenna. Thing is, you can have these conversations with big shots. Yeah, IT was helpful.

Starting a podcast like, oh, I movie directors and writers and stuff.

That's how I, Steve Martini, dm, to me. So you don't have to answer this, but I really like your shows like i'm not going to answer. Steve bonner, you kidding me. Uh, so yeah.

I mean, was I posted a thing about veg and that .

do IT road has take .

me some bedi that proud? I .

got me blocked. All the marmite fans got pissed off. So good. That's the big battle. Marmy versus vegetable.

Why is your mission so simple?

So it's your mommy. And yeah, actually what IT really is is the by product of beer manufacturing.

but it's not getting IT.

Now might for the .

wind course you are marter. K, yes.

vetter is awful.

Can you tell a difference?

Yeah, vegan. H, mom is just wonderful.

It's IT might one cheese .

on .

taste that is always .

that loose guy has implemented a more aggressive and personation policy. So if you are a parity account of fan count, again, another sign of maturity like, yeah, this is starting become a thing.

They are growing .

up so fast is not sweet. Forty four percent of blue skies, one hundred most followed accounts have a double ganger, a double that's either a parity or satire, a fan account. So I doubt have one. But now I will because I said IT so forget IT, that's according to engaged thank you maria la.

Moon and thank you to vender hard to war um let's take a break and I do want to talk Jennifer is posted a couple of things about the ftc report on smart devices, which kind of an eye opener and maybe you have some advice for a GPT. We're going to call her ChatGPT from now on. Kevin king, our producer, is a what I came up with that a dog rocks also here, and divider a hardwar are showed.

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so basically they see that some googling, we just a yes that they did because this is just sort of an early look at what is going to be a big problem and it's actually stays y higden buff in front of the show. And this is what have been a personal cruise ade of hers for a long time. If if you listen to her, IoT stays on a podcast when SHE, which he used to do SHE, would harp on about this, that smart, connected gadgets need an expiration date. And what the ftc is done here has is research to see at a number I can make. IT was one hundred eighty four smart products to see whether they told consumers when they would stop supporting them in the way that we know now that when a smart phone might.

out of one hundred eighty four products.

only twenty one said.

oh, by the way, when you when you hit， say Patrick, say twenty forty one, it's IT.

it's over then yeah. So the idea basically being that these smt makes a smart devices are not telling consumers how long they will support that product. So video doorbells all sorts of things, home appliances that there's a list of companies that they research and one hundred ninety four of them, only eleven, just over eleven percent, actually had any data on when the device would stop working.

And I have to confess, I never thought about that, of a really thought about that. I really .

they stop supporting IT. yeah. And this is it's a tRicky area. This is why I I wouldn't necessary say the company's necessary fault here yet because this is not something that become up for consumer consciousness.

It's becoming that way now because we're having more we seen more, more devices that have gone out of business. Companies are going out of business. So there's no longer account support. For example, a couple months ago, arrow garden, which was a smart garden device that you could put in your kitchen counter.

And I got instagram, yeah.

single handedly keeping instagram going. No, but yeah. So I went, I went up business at shutting the service down. You can still use the device, you know.

to grow things. But there .

there no more software updates over. See, the big concern here from fc standpoint is if there are no software updates, your device could become a security risk if you keep IT online. Ultimately, most smart home devices and you were asking about advice here, you know they should still do what they're supposed to do even if they don't have an internet connections. That is a key thing you should always bear .

in mind is one issue though, which they, he points out is one thing. If your door bell you know isn't getting updates or your maybe a thermos that that would be or your gardening isn't getting updates is another thing entirely if you are. That we talked about this yeah and secure and that's considered a smart of autistic. We talked about this on security and last tuesday because delink, there's a zero day exploit on deal grades, which were very widely sold um and dealing has no update for it's of they're out of service, yes, but lots of people, hundreds of thousands of people are still using them.

And you when you go buy your wife out to dislike, when you went bought your ring door about, you didn't think to you, you didn't care to you that this doesn't going to work.

And the difference here between, say, our smart phones or our laptops or our computers, which you kind of feel like probably aren't going live with you forever, you know their consumables, is that a lot of the things you put into your house, you expect will lost the length of the house if your time in the house, you know, door bells. 我是 fridges they used to last ten， fifteen, twenty years. Obviously, things have changed a little bit, but with technology.

But the the expectation for most consumers is that a dev you buy to put into your house, that sort of infrastructure for your house is going to last a long time. And we haven't we're just starting to hit this point where people are realizing, you know, you know this is there is an expiration date because if the company decides, like dealing c did that they no longer want to support this product is just no longer going to work. Or if you know devices that may still have to their original function, but if you keep them online and then not getting software updates become a threat vector, which is obviously a big concern in the smart home.

But you know you also, if you have a smart thermostat, IT may still work, but you SE, you may lose your features that you are using, like learning ermsted s that predict when you're going to need to get warmer or cooler. Those features go where you've paid a premium for those features. And now they are gone because the company is decided to stop supporting them.

So ultimately, the ftc here, this is more sort of just a an opening sort of gambit. IT looks like like we're going to a start looking into this more seriously, although they do think that they pointed out in this blog post that, that actually these companies may be breaking the law or the magnetic most warranty act. So basically, consumer devices that cost more than fifteen dollars should have a warranty.

And if we're not if you're not providing support and not telling the consumer how long you're going to provide that support for, they could be in violation of this act. So we may see that ftc do something here. I think ultimately, what we will start to see now is that companies, hopefully, we will start thinking, okay, we need to use vinger about this because they need to think it's not just companies like amazon or ring big companies like that. You will probably feel a bit more comfortable buying a product from because they're probably not going out of business in the next five to ten years. But depends.

yeah.

you never know they kill products. They do kill products regularly. But and so they're credit. They do keep the support largely for I mean, there is a few a few examples of not like the the next secure right alarm system, they did kill that. But the bigger companies, amazon his kill products, but then it's given consumers their money back standard.

I mean, you make a product, you're not going to support IT for one .

hundred years. But this yeah that's the question though. How long should they what is a reasonable amount of time and should be aware ah that's .

the is always at apple because so we would have a five year. Functioning plan, right? And then we had a seven year of the lessons plan. But you know, there is time I at the bar, somebody will come in with a twenty twelve square, you know, g for power book, favorite power book, everybody away the time. And you know, IT works you and it's like what I don't need to know and i'm like, how could you still use this? Like I just write like I write people I don't buy something thinking.

oh, i'm and after a place IT in five years, most people don't do that. By the way, apple still does not say if you buy a new iphone today, how long you're guaranteed security updates for IT.

They don't at least about five .

or six generations.

but it's not they never really say android now does, right? Google does and samsung does.

More and more companies are doing that. And I think we'll see you come into the smart home. But this is also one area where matter is addressing this problem long term because matter is a local protocol and it's an it's also open source. So if your device works with matter, even if the company for the business goes out business or shuts down support for that specific product, you will still be able IT will still work on your home network. And because it's open source, this is the potential that someone you know might be able, like if you this is one thing that I heard say you say a lot and I agree with is if your companies go out business or if you're shutting in a product down, you know open source, the API let let other people be able to keep the product going. If small communities, I mean, we have an entire company that went out of business and the consumer, the users got together and know .

what was that?

I'm trying to .

remember the .

name I yeah who's an AI botch, right?

No, I, no, I have that the osm O I have that over.

This was a smart home automation company. IT wasn't IT been around even longer than them.

H wo ow the .

name has escaped. But the the users bought the company and kept IT a float and brought back online and you know to be able so this these products gonna .

a lifespan, obviously.

but I thank you.

Like, like, people was too right. People was almost dead in the water. And the people were like, no, people like me and I, who had several, who, like, you can get rid of tvo.

I A about IT.

Yeah yeah. So I think is a very similar sort of .

thing of other way. There's anything shorter lived than an IoT device. It's a tech book.

They are do .

not write text books, especially about .

like nih categories like I i've never had A T V O or like D V R, like the whole face of entertainment on my whole media guy. So oh, just just wild to me. But to what you're saying to what we are talking about here would be nice to see more, more regulations around this, at least in terms of guarantee warranties or offline act as offline capabilities.

I'd like to introduced you the leo reports guide to tivo. Had thanks to your your friend to help me on that yeah yeah technical accuracy verified by weakens dog com they were actually the primary source for this. This is actually I had to hack the tivo one point o which ah that oh .

by the way.

you look what I came within the book IT came with A C D inside yeah, just what you wanted. It's history. Isn't that ridiculous? Is tivo still around? Yes, replay went away though.

right. That was the, that was the one that died a, well, good. I would love to see this.

I think that we need to know and we need to think about is good for consumers to be aware of IT because it's not just them when your router becomes a security flaw or you're even your doorbell, IT could affect the internet as a whole, right? IT. Could he used IT as a botnet and all sort of things.

So this is a very serious issue. There's also an article you from the verge you mentioned ftc is changing its telemarketing rules. Okay, get this. If you called a tech support scm number, they couldn't protect you. They can only go after them if they called you.

So why you might wonder what you see all these pop ups to say, oh, your computers infected call us because there was no way to go after these guys. If you call them, the ftc is finally finalised a means to the telemarketing sales rule, which makes IT easier to protect. Consumers are tricked into paying sm tech support companies. They can always go after them if they called you, but they couldn't go after them if you called them. unbelievable.

Have you guys seen the movie the beekeeper?

No.

yes.

my god.

Fight .

basically down a fishing sm company. Who takes you .

down?

You get.

you know.

you take. But now that movie is a big, a big fun time. I think the way they is like fishing game companies, how like sign me, they are IT feels really good, feels really cathartics to see him punch .

of those people in. According according to the verge, people over sixty are five times more unlikely to be a victim of this cap.

especially after midnight.

The more the gram.

what I need to fix my computer, let me call you right back one hundred seventy five million dollars in reported losses. I am sure it's more than that. Earlier this year, the ftc reported fake squad. You will get one of those geek squad pop ups, or actually, I got text messages, almost cash, I thought, oh, IT must be reels, the geek squad. And that they topped the list of fraud, fifteen million dollars lost to these clowns pretending .

to be .

the ee squad. And it's called Jason. Let's get him in here with the side of one more break and then we're going na rap IT up.

Believe you're not. It's been, I don't want to go. This is too much fun. I would just hang out with you guys anytime. Anyway, I love IT to vender.

Hard to war from engadget, Jennifer pinson, tui from the verge, dock rock from hawaii. It's good to have all three of you you wearing the man united shirt because you're a supporter. Are you a socket look and dog rock?

A die heart die. I was really born in a wrong place because, like, i've been at this. So when myself first came to the us, I live nearby R, F, K.

Stadium in dc. So I got to go watch the diplomat games and back tian security display. No attention in a little kids snaking in.

So we watched all the diplomat game at that time. They had this guide name, john croft turns out to be one of greatest soca players ever play. So i've even seen the match between Young curve and play.

So I got addicted way back in. And when TV started showing you epo here in us, I was like, hot. And yeah, that's the nice. This is the most boring. I don't .

know why they called the beautiful game, because the market run down, running, back, running, running.

I know.

I know, I know IT is a very is way .

more interesting than .

my foobar. If you only compared to what you see in the the R M S L or what you I watch .

the world cup, I watched the best stuff.

It's still works. Ks, not the best. You need the words to. Epl, just trust me.

still. People running up and .

down and up and down and their .

speed and running sports in general, not good.

This like the nfl, because they run for like a foot and then some three hundred pound guy and slams ground get.

Listen, here's one. Okay, i'm nothing against advertisers. I love advertisers. They pay me. But every five.

thirty stops and forty we stop. No.

so that's why the best to .

the field with advertising. Guess who makes .

more money? So.

more money? absolutely. AK.

Lily in the nfl? yes. Tell me out here of the venture. Gy, this is I athlete .

in the world. Go hundred and eighty million a year.

IT is so much more fun to play than to watch like.

I love I love running up and down the field yeah.

that's fun.

Someone to watch.

somebody else the know football is like and it's it's a cultural thing. It's so much more than amErica has changed a lot in the last decade that it's become much more popular here. When I.

I moved IT years ago.

and I used to have to do you, pp of you, just to watch.

get apple T, V, but apple does. M, S, apple does this work. I have to see, like, is that Better? It's Better. It's Better. Soccer.

the prey. Primarily because on abc, do we talk about.

know that thanks to silly apple show with a .

guy with A H so, you know, it's funny. That show started as a skit. That show started as a skit the day abc .

brought right x socket.

IT was a skin to go to teach U. S. People about soccer.

And then ten years later, IT became the T. V. show.

And so yes, got even bigger. But I thank you, abc, for finally. Because I used to .

jump through hoops. I, P, T, V, I, yes.

you think good about the tender was the special one. The pupils were way. Rooney, oh my god. IT was so good. I remember when .

I first lived in the states, I had to go and buy the sunday newspapers to find out the scores. And that was, and there were three days late, because IT took that long to fly them over from the kay. So this was when I was sixteen, eighteen, a long time ago.

So, wow. But yeah, it's a much.

much Better now. And one day amErica will win the world cup, but probably not in our lifetime.

Keep closed.

We've we've got to the finals having.

We've got to the finals. Never women .

in world .

matter .

develop .

a club system.

Once we develop, a club system will catch out. No way to do this. Guys in cca.

players on the football teams kicking .

the goals. So ridiculous profession. Yes, I come out for a second every few years to kick. One is skill. We are kicker.

We got a guy off the street because we had so many injuries in the fourteen, nine years, I got a guy off the street. He kicks the ball, makes the, you know, kicks IT off the other end. The guy runs a bec.

And for some, the side he can also tackle and tries to tackle. The runner injures himself and he's gone. He was like, he had one shot and that was IT.

They should only kick. That's liberal. All right. You're watching this weekend tech and this weekend soccer ignorance. And I apologized to the entire world, which thinks i'm a fool for not loving the beautiful game.

I'm sure it's more fun here to pub with your friends.

You know what? All the beautiful game you have been corrected we could .

do this week in soccer makes seven hundred .

million to think that's a little bit more. But anyway, i'm not i'm going there's no look at baseball even worse. And I will acknowledge that it's over for baseball.

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Aren't we go with this week in attack? Um I think this will be interest in the supreme court has said is probably going to take up a case about who's responsible for your piracy. Is that the I S P, it's SONY versus cox. SONY says cox cable is responsible for the piracy on its network.

Um in fact, uh, the jury found that cox was guileful guilty, rather give for was guilty of willful contributory infringement and gave them a, gave SONY a billion dollars in damages but the court, the fourth circuit reversed the verdict, saying cox didn't profit so you can't charge him damages. There is a new trial. SONY and cox are both seeking supreme court review. Is an I S P liable for the piracy that its customers engaging? This is mainly because the record industry for years has tried to go after customers and failed.

and the M. P.

Are really some yes, remember that? Yeah.

this feels like sort of the last gasp of the dinosaurs, dusty and SHE makes me so mad reading this because, you know, it's not the punish ing they cut in the internet of because someone copied your music and then like today, you need the internet for everything .

and it's that's .

true it's more than ah yeah it's it's a essential part daily life these days and is this just makes me mad? Reading this I make me mad. I'm like because it's the same. I mean, goes back to you know content none duration on social media.

There's so many elements to this that you see throughout technology is like what's the difference between the pipes and the contempt? Like what is whose, whose responsible for what? And the pipes the internet should just be the pipes, of course, and we need the pipes. You can't just take them away because someone's won something on the pipes that you don't like. If someone had an accident .

in the phone company, for those guys who call you up and scare you, it's not the phone .

companies right fault.

Um what scares me that the supreme court is considering taking this case? What they should say is, no, the fourth circuit was right. There's absolutely no liability here. What are you talking about?

The effect of the script? Ridiculous prin version win around. So back here used to be time Warner cable. Of course, no spectrum.

And Warner is now one of media, but they're a mea is A T and t so how could they even get talked about in this situation? Because they're the same company at this. They care free .

to fuse me like song.

like again.

right? IT was all crazy back .

in the day when everybody thought that the inter net was gonna stop you from watching TV, watching movies, listening music. If anything, the international in international internet increased some of the watch ability of these things because we were able to hello, get social and build communities around game throat warehouse dragons, right? So now they've use IT. Even the the fact that kids today are into the star wars that we saw in the theatre in seventy seven.

You blame in the internet for that?

No, i'm saying internet help. I kept the flow, does not tried the room. But somehow we figured out how to find back and take, then make IT Better. And now this whole brand news shows that we never would have heard of, you know, George double are like, I prefer to do that nightly and i'm in eight. Like, my preference.

Would I like.

do I need you to finish the .

books and do with for men is their .

parting in his greek cap? Greek sailor happen. He's not.

It's so body that though this is a thing and it's like I agree with jp T A sense that the industry just do or trying to hold on to something that kind of that ship sail the long time ago. And if anything, i'm all used to be a conspiracy theorist on the fact of after what sort of backed by the companies that wanted albums to become singular .

purchase track.

Like I still kind of hard to believe that a little bit. And that sounds weird to say that. But experiment.

how do you like my, I could write a novel, and I ve got a Green fish that works.

You got double l right? So George, double l Martin.

mark, A D motivational hat.

When you get IT, you'll never anything done.

I just going to want a party that's, ah, ah, this is the new form of warfare. You remember the two of cables connecting, I think, was a lithium ana h to the internet were cut to baltic data cables cut. And now the suspicion is on a chinese ship which had just been talking in russia, dragging its anchor for hundred miles.

IT could have been an accident. We just know we'd forgot. We dropped our anchor and we just dragging for hundred miles um they had just left the about a russian baltic porter november fifteenth.

The question is, was the captain induced by russian intelligence to Carry out the sabotage? I have a feeling this year to see more of this kind of, you know, appalling satoh. They did IT with the the the cable, the pipeline, the underwater pipeline, and they did with these undersea cables.

I mean that it's appalling right now already with open warfare bit. This is this is a pretty bad. This is we're definitely to see more of this type of thing and russia pretending that they're not involved at all to me yeah well.

how you're going to prove IT meta wants to put its own cable and they are planning to spend as much as ten billion dollars. Here's the story from the verge.

Actually know that story is really good, but it's not the one that matter.

What is this?

This is a story that we wrote the verge a few a year, almost a year ago. The underwater cables and how they repair them?

H, yeah, yeah, yeah. I member.

And this way it's so scary what this sort of for infrastructural warfare ah because it's really hard to repair these .

cables and that s so kind of yes.

And this is why matter is creating .

its own just like one yeah there so we would only be for facebook.

That's what IT said IT was IT was well for its IT services. So all of the the .

facebook internet, remember, they offered to india and india said, no, thank you.

The idea. New links of instagram expanded .

to you to overall, you never leave, never leave that as world, a forty thousand kilometre project. If these are fiber optic cables that would lay under the sea, and IT would basically be a private internet. wow.

wow. Sources close to metic confirmed the project, but this is a technical chh scp, but IT hasn't actually been publicly announced. When completed, IT would give meet a dedicated pipe for data traffic around the world.

Not a surprise. Look at this. IT goes all the way from Virginia beach and mural beach all around the world back to california. Molly, the w .

cable .

part .

does. Why have a sub c cable or no.

we have several. And actually hang the picture on the verge article. And the funny thing is that boat, K, D, D, I de, that was my phone Carrier when I went to the school in japan.

Oh yeah, there.

There's like two cables coming from washington, one coming from california, but it's on the verge picture. If you look at IT again, that's really cool because originally, I mean, like people realized this, we are wanted the first connected places because of pro harbor slim fiel yeah right back when he was million back in nineteen and sixty six.

really. So we, wow.

we've been connected for minute, the strategy.

Look, all the cables come out. Look, wow.

The part of the ether net stack was actually invented at university hawaii way back in the day. And then the border regions did not understand what I was going be worth. So they were like, okay, whatever. And I gave IT up .

to california. So I think IT went .

to what is and we gave up any form of uh, residual rights or money that we would have got. And so there's a rumor I never checked because I don't want to be mad that like they still get like a one sense royalty on every single packages ever put out. And unions took a travel industry management spinning .

differently. They were altruists. They realized how valuable this would be. And they decided not to profit on IT, but to give IT to the world for a penny h whatever a year.

Yeah, we did the same thing with pizza recipe, which is total .

that is not a that pineapple and bake and do not along in a piece that don't get me started.

Apple.

the pizza like living bro, i'm going to have to .

start getting mad. I'm not even .

if you put spam on IT.

maybe, but not as .

we say in how why a polar cola. You're absolutely right.

okay.

But the infrastructure, the concept of these influences .

attacks is really .

scary for there is how easily we can be apt, and not this one. I mean, obviously deep c cables are feel like quite chAllenge, but obviously they figured out a way to get them. But just getting any infrastructure in america, we ask how dependent on our infrastructure and so much of IT now is, is more easily hackable. IT seems like that we I feel like that's the biggest danger that's facing this country right now. And there's yeah not just our smart home devices that run that are expire and turn in to botnet, but our entire infrastructure in this country .

get your chickies, get your home batteries. Yes, this is our future either you can get to have your own in drock.

Rich cambell, who is, of course, the host windows weekly crowd canadian. He says, I didn't know this, that hawa pizza was invented in toronto. This makes that so like everything else you can blame, canada is a therefore, therefore, dog rock is at youtube dot com at duck rock.

He is also at the director. Strategic partners from e Cameron has been instrumental in helping us set up this remote system that we use now, including e cam. I really appreciate everything. And zoom, it's of its you know I just tell those e camp folks to work with the zoom folks that we've getting together in one place.

We'd really have something. But we have mentioned, yeah, alex, introduce me to andy. No, a big couple years back and then I got knew andy was, but at that time he was a completely zoom yet and alex, I .

introduced me to me.

came a but then when I mess with zoom, I so i'm like my my users and no way they can do this zoo. I so thing, because I know what i'm doing and IT was work, but I like and then when andy got pulled over to zoom, I was like, OK, I was gonna easier. And so I was like, andy, you need to meet kindlin and then they started talking and David k. Friends, and so and so and I was like that grow with the old shampoo commercial fb.

I told two friends.

and then they told two friends.

And was I think .

about IT how. And yeah, so that's how we got here and tear you the zoom and you can a sort of collaboration .

is just cheerful.

easy. So yeah.

it's a lifesaver. We use IT for all the big shows, including this one. Thank you.

Dock and your relationship with us is fantastic. We're very happy. Same thing with Jennifer patterson. Tue SHE appears every months of michigan on techniques weekly, and really auto appear a lot more on our show. SHE just fantastic at the verge dot com. SHE is smart homa, but I bet you have x account called chicken maa somewhere just waiting to be watched, right?

Got the .

chicken.

And that's a good one. One you think about .

that a little bit, but i'll be coming to you for the eggs. Thank you, Jennifer. Great to you on.

I push me here and diviner .

harder or who is who's my shadow when i'm not here devinder a will be and that's what we love. He's been a great filling for me, senior editor and engaged and always a great guy you're going to see, yes, you're crazy.

but go head, have a good time to IT but also doing a lot of like prepping for end of year film stuff too so it's it's crazy time of the year .

yeah I just saw conclave and I really like.

incredible.

incredible yeah but you know so divide or a host of .

of and .

so we always end .

up talking about .

movies is a little bit but I was I was telling lisa, i'm starting to feel like movies aren't enough anymore. I'm getting spoiled by these five parts, six parts, seven part series yeah and I think conclave would have been Better in in three or four.

I kind of disagree, I kind concrete with such a good example of a movie that is nice and tight and just you're in and you're outward that could easily be a six episode, many series and you be like you ran out of plot .

three episodes into to and there was a great mystery yeah fantastic. I the end I just really we .

watch good stuff stuff if you like, the Young pope because that .

was a limited the pope law so that was good ah and I told lisa, I said, you know, this is just like the shoes of the Fisherman which came at one thousand nine hundred and sixty eight with the Anthony quin and um if you haven't seen that, you should see that in conclave because you're both about the people succession conclave that they do what a pope dies anyway I think they need .

to get rid of movies that have two parts. So because I went to see wicked, and i'm like.

did you now, did you know I had a time .

that I going to? I did, but i'm glad I knew I had time, because I would have been really .

mad pison doon ended and I said, like way you'll next year, you'll find out what? No.

it's tough. It's tough. But I I just love we.

Could you like, I was not looking forward to that at all. Not a musical guy, but it's on two. K.

I love I love musical saw in the theater, or I think I saw on broadway with the denim. Zl.

I saw in london with a dins yeah .

channel with .

Christian channel.

IT was, IT was good show, but IT was IT was not two parts.

but IT was very long. IT was very long.

They think they brought in more stuff from the book. And like it's more, they're building up .

like a broader universe. No.

no, it's been .

too much wicket advertising as the crazy i'm brit box. I was going .

to say like exactly I going to say so .

much good stuff.

great box.

And I like no sort of crime TV. It's crazy, but style but i'm really over dick with because he is computed conclusion.

come to conclusion that americans don't know anything.

So he gives all the clues in the front I know exactly was happening within three minutes. On big box, you watch the good capsules, like tower towers. incredible. The passenger, the passenger, I just watching.

which is .

not so good. yeah. Oh my god. Like you're really got IT down. And then.

like rural stories, like duck, all creatures great, small, where everything is quiet and calm. The worst thing this happens is Jennifer chickens got into the vendors garden.

and that's the passenger. So you love that. Like sort of describe the passenger?

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