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You're watching twit episode nine hundred and ninety seven record on the temple fifty, twenty, twenty four put a novel edd on IT. But i'm for twit this week in tech i'm giving her hardwar the scene or editor and engage a filling in for a little port. Got great crew this week, including anthy heart from my sister site, I guess tech rj anthy.

Hey, great to see a .

deventer happy to heavy here um love to check with the Anthony because it's like I deeply miss new york so whenever we talk I could just the envision getting back there somehow that's the goal at least and also joining us is uh, father Robert balter. Hey, pod, try has gone a very well.

Thank you very much. Although I am extremely jet lag at the moment and a little concerned because IT seems to have cooled off here way, way earlier than that should have. So no, really I don't know.

Yeah only it's still to know ninety degrees over here. Hundred degrees. Now it's six seventy.

We're seeing things. Things are weird because I feel like right after the heat of summer, we got spring. I mean, like georgia and I got spring rains in early August is very confusing. And even though we had like ninety degree heat in in may or something so pretty well I know how is IT over in the york and it's we're .

kind of getting a last gasp summer. Um it's it's like I think I went out for a walk is low eighties and and and hopefully will cool down a little bit but it's nice for now that's my happy .

spot like low eighties because everybody low seventies but I know the winters coming, I know false coming once we did below eighty and I just feel sad to me. Um we may also have denise hall on this episode. Um we're trying to get her on right now looking forward to that.

Um but I specifically chose this week because I knew I just had a feeling that apple's iphone event was going to be happening this week and all kinds like lined up. So i'm the gaza guy, you know um everybody talks like expects me talk about all the gadget stuff. I contain multitudes.

We will have a lot of other topics. But I do when I ask you guys um where you know almost a week away from the apple event of everything, I don't think IT was a super interesting event on the iphone side. But are you all sold or intrigued by the iphone sixteen models or the idea of apple intelligence in general?

I think if I did a if I had lower than an apple iphone ten, I D intrigued ed by the sixteen, but otherwise not so much. I did like what they did with their, with their watches. I thought IT was incremental with the air buds. A good event as as far as apples concerned. But yeah I I don't see a rush to upgrade s of the the super, super apple fans yeah or if .

you have like a twelve, I guess there were thirteen like there. I could certainly see reasons like I so I graded last year and I think part of the reason i've got me was like titanium in the pro cases, and I didn't think that would be a big difference. But I put in order for a sixteen and pro, I went to the apple sphere.

So I should probably feel the sixteen promazine, the fifteen promazine see what IT feels like, like a dramatic like night and day difference, because i've always hated the max, the max phones before. They always seem too big. So that was a big lift last year for me.

This one, if you have a pro iphone fifteen pro, you don't even need to Operate if you want apple intelligence. So that's a whole thing. anthy. Where where are you sitting these days?

Well, I was going to say I do have an iphone twelve, so I had held out. But I mean, to be honest, nothing about the announcement made me feel like, yes, like I need to have greater, more like I am. The only reason to be honest is that the battery is kind of on its last legs.

So like, well, from to get a new iphone might as well just get the know this sixteen. I mean, the camera button sounds cool, but like everything else, it's like shirt like i'm going to get that one because that's the new iphone and I need a new iphone. But i'm not like excited I was in. And in terms of apple intelligence, I feel like IT is the AI product that I find the least alienating. So like maybe some I could imagine .

you good yeah .

but you know again, it's not like a big selling when like this is one where i'm open to being convinced worse, I feel like a lot of other things like get that away from me yeah feel .

same way about apple little things like i've been covering allow the af so microsoft iled stuff um not as much google germany, but I didn't gauge IT like we're all talking about IT and locate all the features and everything.

Um I was at the b to B B dc when they talk more about apple intelligence and gave the full reveal of IT in everything i've been testing IT for the past few months and a lot of those little features like the notification summaries, good stuff um email summaries really did IT. There's some enhances serious stuff we can test right now. Um I just like the new look of syrian ability and like natural language commands and stuff like that.

But I know I don't know how much of a phone seller it's going to be for anybody, especially these features are coming down the line like the full new theory. All these capabilities aren't coming until early next year, too. So that seems seems like a weird spot for apple, right, to announced this thing. But hey, we're still doing the homework. We still get like ship all these products even though we can be shipping these devices, right?

I mean, the sixteen does have that new CPU, which I do kind of like i'd love to play with IT and to see exactly how well it's optimized for generated AI. So that I mean, if if I was gone to play with IT, that's probably what I use IT for. IT doesn't seem to be anything that A A Normal user would really die for on the sixteen. But if you wanted to play around with apple's version of A I I I want to run that hardware, I really do .

kind of sense. Um also anything like just saying apple called out like iphone twelve users in particular, like there are probably some good up great deals going answer. I feel like if you're in the cup of that, if you have a twelve or thirteen, this is probably a good time to just look at what we are care will offer you for an upgrade because if you're upgrading from an existing iphone, there's a little chance you'll be paying a full Price.

You know there's a lot of disco look into here, so just want people to do that research and a check out what's going on there. I remember when upgrade last year, like they give, verizon gave a lot for my phone. So I did not expect that stuff potery.

He mentioned that the apple watch seemed like a good upgrade. This and I agree to me actually like that's the device that kind of stole the show even though they didn't devoted much time to IT. But yeah apple a series ten IT is Baker screens than their design um kind of IT seems like the idea the apple watch is just fully formed complete right now. That's probably when I look to get at some point right.

I would really like for them to improve their battery life has been up a sticking because my entire family, except for myself, they're all apple people and they all have an apple watches. My father uses IT specifically for fall detection, but IT dies so quickly, I would actually update if they could give me a dedicated all day battery.

Yeah, yeah. I feel like that's probably they working towards A D in which one the rapper your dad has now pottery?

Oh, i'm not a clue, honestly. We we have such a huge page of a apple devices around the family is just like, go, you need something. Well, here, I got this in .

my drawers that, yeah, yeah. Because I have apple watch series for which still works pretty well. Untempted for that. great. Have you gone on apple watch .

at all the entire I have not um my my wife and my in laws have IT. And I think there's I think basically like at the point where somebody can convincingly say that i'm like all probably I need .

some of the health modern stuff.

I people watching the video can save the grave in diving during my hair. But yeah, i'm holding out for for another few years. I just I mean in partly I mean related to a part of saying a bit, I just feel like I don't necessary need another device to to charge right now and like there hasn't anything that the tally pushing me the edge, like in general, the apple watch, I look at IT and like, this seems cool. If I was gonna get a smart watch, this is when I was going to get, but i'm not convinced that I needed yet.

Yeah, I really great. I feel like when they started adding the features like the crash detection stuff a couple years ago, me as sort of like paring away dad, is like that would be really great actually, if something were to happen and we can get help immediately and stuff like that starting to get in my brain. And then apple is clearly, like all their ads are.

Early ads are also really selling back. The whole opening video was like, look at how great these devices make our life, but also save my life. My apple devices are also so important on that.

Um seven years ago I was I got a device from ce and I was playing IT off as a gag IT was it's an ultrasound monitor for your bladder for in cotton monitoring. And ah like okay yeah maybe use IT a nursing home and but I don't see the server taking route. Um i'd actually like that now I think there's family members that I would love to give that to them. So at the need to your point, it's it's okay to say we're getting we are we are getting to be old hippy techies. That's that's just .

no our expecting our devices to uo etic clean up for us. I keep reminded I don't know anybody remembers this but there's an anemic ilm called rogen z which I think about quite often. And eighties movie is about um basically elderly people who are in these giant robots that are doing all the assisted facility care and the the old people rebel and they take those those robots that they're sitting in and basically like we havoc around the world. I've thought about that whole watch just like this set up eventually. I probably .

wasn't the demographic for that film at the time, but I might be now. He said eighties.

he was .

a it's reference .

is a lot. And I think somebody upgraded to youtube, but sometimes so just to church IT out people. Classic, classic film.

Um but do you think the apple watch serves to sort of like there is an ideal for what you want for, right? Like my my daughter is in kindergarten now. I'm imaging in a couple years and like I would like her to have some sort of way.

I would honestly like some sort of location tracking or something. I don't want to do one of the tag link, I do think in apple watch G, P, S, that is tied to our family counts. And then he could call us if anything happens, like in third of th grade before he would needed a phone like I I could see the value in that.

So I guess as thing as life gets more complicated, this would make life a lot easier early. Leave some of that anxiety they have anthy for you. I'm just taking like yeah, if you're on a run in the new york, you know you don't have bring your phone on like there's a chance like you could still be in communication with your wife and I think that could be so yeah.

I think definitely actually probably the use case that most appealing me right now. I was like leaving my phone behind when I go like hiking or or running and I suspect that will push me over the edge at some point. But but right now i'm still doing the awkward armed band stuffing be going into a which is not ideal.

You're doing the arbed. I used to do the running belt um you can stuff IT in there and now like i'm i'm running in the suburbs, i'm honest. Just hold my phone in my .

hand when I do IT, but that is absolute psychopath vor, I do not understand that that i'm sorry.

The two, you keep saying this running thing.

what what is that physical movement outside, almost touching grass.

but so like a pallet on. But yeah, in the real world type .

thing is good for some parts of your body and then destroys your knees is bad feet. It's a weird like trick we played on ourselves that it's like good for us also also .

to watch up for the giant machines to take a road. Roads like those are all dangerous. Like running is a bad idea. actually. We should just side all the time um but no yes yes and the I am now holding my phone because I feel like the baLance of my body is actually works a little Better when I do that. But i'm not a serious winner.

I think you run more than I do um but yeah when he story that built just did not like the way like lean my body in one way but as a whole thing, are you guys so excited all about the airports stuff there's new airports for there's airports for with anti which i'm unconvinced without ceiling your ears that would actually worked really well. But according to Billy steel and gadget, who is our audio guy who did the hands on for us like he says, IT does something, you know it's not perfect but it's it's Better than nothing. I guess I had .

a set of airports one generation ago and I actually like them. They were decent. And then Polly sent me there, three sixty plus you see ear buds and I haven't turned back.

Those are comfortable, they last longer. The case is Better, their more functionality and it's actually cheaper. So so yeah mean, i'm not a neer but hater. I just I found something that I think for me works a lot Better .

yeah and that's police used to be planned training.

right? correct?

Yeah hb, yeah. Better name .

police 怎么 is always .

so confusing to .

me whole pitch like we are。 Her sets go to the, go to the moon or our head, go to space. Because they used, produce the stuff that was .

the restaurant to .

use that thing. That's a cool company. I hope H. P. Is doing good stuff with that. But yeah, you can get all sorts of good year. But these days, anchor, you know the cheaper a brand that sells stuff on amazon like is spent at all, there has time for great a andy yeah.

i'm not a auto file so I feel like from me yeah your buds are I mean, you know like blue tube like your body is like pretty much a commode product and I I do the airports because they're easy to use with my apple devices but yeah, there are not only of great a lot. It's much more or like, okay, when IT breaks, i'll get a new one, but I don't really care that much of a new future. This is a command we talking about a lot of different gadgets I will see. I mean, the cool thing about that cool announcement that was airport related that was, I guess, going to wait for this.

I don't know what's .

happening like I started recording and I maybe there's like crime of you're also .

right for the the window and I know like you set up, you're basically so you're getting you're just getting the full.

But this is unusual. Like there's sometimes regular carnies like getting buzzby a helicopter is never happened before. But um well because the other announcement of the airports, which doesn't like a new device but was this uh hearing a capability which they announced at the event and then a couple days later, I think the the fda announced they approved them for that usage.

which that was further the prose and that's interested the airports pros g two yeah some actual medical stuff like apple sets several times clinically grade hearing testing clinically grade um basically ah I going to be used as a hearing aid to and yeah that approval came uh what do you guys think of that because that is an existing device has been around for, I guess, a couple of years at this point, but it's continually getting upgraded.

To me, that is the sort of her thing that would love to see more. They're not like just throwing new features there and selling IT again at a high Price with you. Airpower s pro max um but yeah the airports pro, I don't know all these upgrades just seem good to me, seems like a net good for everybody.

I I mean, I like IT. I like more features. More features are always Better, especially since those are actually decent features. It's not it's not just some glossy extras. However, um they run the risk of kind of losing sight of who their audiences most of the audience are not looking for hearing aides. Most of their audience don't really care about a hearing test aside from showing IT up to so so I look I can do a hearing test yeah on my iphone here but I mean i'm not not going to knock them for that because IT was a natural iteration of the product and they are including some additional features and the Price point is is still pretty stable. Um so yeah, I mean, i've got no problem with I don't think that's gonna used at all, but it's interesting.

I think there's an awareness to for map like other core audience, the people who follow them for the past twenty years are get older and a lot of people have determined hearing and aren't just are not aware of IT too. It's it's a whole thing a kind of fitting into the whole like, oh, you you're if you buy an apple watch, IT could save your life. You probably get an apple watch because they will literally save your life.

And I feel like the hearing a stuff um people I could see people buying our pod pose for their a older you know family members because IT could maybe they refuse to wear hearing IT because they hate how clunky they are. I ve had family like that but if you get them, here's some cool ear buds but also could do the hearing. It's up that could .

be used for as someone who is taking care of elderly family right now, I would never buy them these because they would be lost about thirty. Oh yeah.

why I hadn't thought about that? yeah.

What you know then you can buy i've seen these successories. There's sort of like rope that you tied but to and you just like put them in and then then people can keep them on their neck. The amazing innovation.

But because I can put the air tags on the what he caught the capture the package, but that gets hard to attach to the actual airportis of those .

get draft there is location of if you lose one airboat in your home. I've used to like find my so you get some of that um you you do get some of that but honestly we make fun but I miss the old like uh the beats fit pro that had the the necklace IT was sort of like a necklace m in the the budget wireless and doesn't connect your phone with a cable.

But I love just like wearing that thing around my neck because when I was on the subway and self I didn't have to worry about, oh IT popped up on my year and now it's like on the subway floor somewhere um I think that whole as great as wireless uh you know audio buds are is a disaster the minute IT falls out of your year because you don't know what the health happening. Most recently I was on a flight. My case my airport's case fell.

I picked IT up what I was going down the runway um and then there was an alert case. We found one area pod on the you know on the on the center gate or something. So turns out I was mine.

I had to wait for them to go get IT. So that won't happen. That was wearing a necklace .

stamp last winter. Uh so in the career here at the duck korea, we actually have access to the the sub floors and the underground space under our streets. There's one area that has a big great just outside the same Peters and I we haven't clean that area for for years.

So we did last winter and I collected probably thirty or forty year buds that I fAllen down to grades. Just dad just collected that and other not just apple products like every kind of year but and a little techy kitchen y thing that would fall down to through a gate. Um and so wondering those people knew where was they had location on, but they just couldn't reach IT. So if I powered them up now, would they show up on people's devices? I think I think so.

Let's do IT now, let's do IT alive is just to make so .

exciting all series. yeah. What's airports are coming up? We would often see people just like leaning over great being like a IT was a very common new york site. Like is this really progress? Are we really this is actually a good thing for us like losing headphone cables. So I was like unconvinced about airpower s for so long that took like other other suffer like other companies like job a to make birds that sounded Better too than the original airpower.

So I am not Normally an earbud guy. I don't like your buts. I like over the over the year cans. Um so but but it's it's sort of become the defector for me when i'm traveling. I don't I can't travel with the big ones anymore because I don't have the space. So I see their use and I guess I just gotten you so but I used to hate putting anything in my hair. I heard a passion.

And I think if i'm being honest, like, I mean, I do, I think there's a lot of pluses and minister for my airports. I mean, generally they worked very seamlessly and their and lovely not to worry about the wires. It's a little bit of a pain when you're using multiple devices. And then like apple is trying to figure out which device to play the audio from. But like I wonder if I would have made the switch if all of my apple devices still had a headphones jack, if if that if I didn't need an a doctor for my like wired headphones, I might still have this .

I think say same for me when I switched to the the pixel pro eight, I had to go for for earbuds. I had to go for something blue tooth, but before that I was always using wired audio products.

I I will say this um apple did change the way that I look at audio products specifically with ear buds because the Polly, the Polly series, the the three sixty, the twenty, the the whole set up, the assembly, those are the first ear buds i've ever used blue to thar buds that I didn't have to constantly repair because windows and android have an natta for just freaking out on the paring process. And I know that know the best of my family who has been using apple products. They never had problems with that.

Uh at least not that they told me about. So to have that seamless experience um that kind of gave me a glimpse into, okay, you know what? That actually something I would have switch to that the apple ecosystem, just to keep from having to repair ever two days. And they .

basically flicks blue truth with a lot of audio chips. And I feel like that is that is that I want to talk more about this actually. But let let's have to, leo, for a week, for a response or hey.

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alright. Thank you so much. Leo powder, you were saying like you don't think Younger folks would use like a lot of of the hearing features. And I do you think the one thing is the sort of like automatic noise protection, like the loudness protection that can we help save peoples on hearing when the Green and concerts and the right?

I mean, yes, but that technology has been around for a long, long time and they tend to turn that off, which I I mean, I needed IT for the longest time i've had hearing laws. I know that, but my thing was more or less. It's like when there was a trend a few years back, there was a an audio file that people would play to test their hearing.

And IT turned out that that was all bond. IT wasn't a real thing. Of course, IT wasn't a real thing.

You you can't account for non medical grade devices being used for a medical test. So that's interesting. And I would do IT once. But how many times are you going to test your hearing? I know you going to really how many .

times not just the testing but the automatic like your at a concert, it's like you have your pods in and IT blower levels like IT yeah loud now they do to get that .

could be useful I think. I mean, if they're using IT, I I would not go to a concert and put here buzz that would be extremely clean .

yeah ah I probably should have done that a couple of times like I saw slab lls it's out by once and they have like a tense stack speakers to write up front .

for an hour probably what's a little bit hearing .

did you go see that jack? And enough I forget wear of this. What maybe at the vm is he was people signed the footage that he was wearing your plugs and they are you were making fun of him and he was just like, yeah, I mean, why not like what are you objecting to?

How did IT well, it's like the way things are going like an antimachus. It's like how dare you protect yourself? I take personal fence to that.

I don't know. I have a set of concert earplugs. Yeah but I mean, there they're specifically designed to drop the level that comes into your ear without changing the frequencies that come through.

So I mean, that's what I used. But those are completely on power. Those are all passive ah which means that there also less expensive and I not too concerned about losing them and they tend be more comfortable because they don't weigh that much. So again, cool feature and i'm sure at some point I wouldn't find a way to use IT, but I don't see IT as like the killer. I think that eventual .

IT IT would be on by default too. So so when those things people you have to be aware as like your your possible to do .

in that actually IT would be IT would be useful. New york, where it's so .

loud Normally. Well, I think also the other thing that's interesting is that I in my colleague, brian, hear he pointed out that I guess there are other cases where there maybe has been functionality to start out as accessibility functionality and the upper watch that eventually became a broader feature.

And you know, you can imagine these kind of ideas of like noise profiles and customer noise profiles is being something that could you be for anyone using, you know, her podds and like you're walking down on the street and you say you're listening to a podcast and you know you you don't want like total noise cancellation. You want certain things eliminate, but you want to be able to hear people talking or you want to maybe you don't actually, but no, maybe there's some things you do want to. You want to be able here, you know, the honking of a car that's about to hear you or something actually.

if if they had .

a fast enough response time to be able to be used as ear protection while i'm shooting, that I would actually would like um but I don't.

They don't shoot shooting guns or shooting.

shooting a shooting firearms OK shooting firearms. You need your protection, one hundred percent .

needed to your protection. But you need those .

like big boy cans. Do you need the big, big cans? But if this is a and c and if this is actually, uh, including your your canal, but I don't know, maybe this could be a test.

That's one thing I I almost wonder, like apple probably isn't never thought about. They're like people go to concerts, you know, people go shooting ranges, shooting and these users.

I bet there are apple executives who go to shooting ranges. I am then I .

didn't know about I who who would I be?

There is a shooting range right next to the campus in cupertino. I mean, they should.

They should. I am an outside, outside of lantier red right now. literally. I looked on my map. There's ten shooting ranges around by my city.

That's fun. I think they .

are required by law. Yeah, just how IT goes. Okay, I hear, I hear you guys. I feel like my thing in new york was like as soon as, honestly, like I was training, like wired, your buzz around me forever. But I was always like one year, but IT like that was my thing.

So at least like I could hear everything else outside of IT, it's cool sy the tech like just progressive and yeah accessibility tech becoming regular tech. That's also really, really interesting to say. And also you cool the apple has done allow this accessibility work as well. Anything else gets want to mention from the iphone event or just anything else because there is there's a lot of other news IT feels like every week is a month worth of news these days because also the the presidential debate happened last week, like within the last week. Um and we have the news around that to be anything else from apple you guys want to hit.

I mean, i'm trust what you guys just think of the IT seem like there's maybe this happens in any event where apple isn't making a big, big announcement. Is is there some times this backlash is too stronger? But like sort of a little bit of discontent, just this sense of leg yeah.

none of this is that exciting. Like why my life .

and is IT like to what extent IT should we just be like, well, this is what smart phone launches are now like. There's not you know it's kind of and established technology and and unlikely there's going to be any radical change anytime soon. And that's fine. That's what we should expect in the end versus like, oh, is like is that disappointing as apple and troubled able as apple, lot of about which because I think i'm in more in the camp of like that is fine .

that that's a smart for lunch. Smart phones have gotten boring like we are. We're almost twenty years from the arrival of the very first iphone, you know. so. We've ve seen the stuff platos to the point where there are all kinds boring labs and then, hey, foodful has happened, you know.

And like there are still some innovation there, but apples not doing that feel like the vision for last year was the rare thing where I could be like here's a whole new thing. Look at what we're doing and also people didn't really care because I was too expensive. Um I personally, I think like the vision part was like a very forward looking thing and like something meant for developers and professionals. Um I would not judge I hole category dead yet um but apple didn't have the exciting new devices here, right?

I mean, they kind of painted themselves into a corner little bit because their releases have been so refined and their strategy has been so good over the last, i've say, twenty years that if they don't release something that well as people and radically redefined the market, there's automatically the sense of, yeah, they failed and they haven't. I mean, last radical thing they released was the vision pro IT was the swan for the fences.

They were trying to make a new market, and IT feels particularly well. They can't do that every single year. They can't take that kind of hit every single year.

Give them time to try to figure out, regroup and see what the next step is. But there was something wrong with this. Yes we got moderately Better phones, moderate Better watches, moderately Better ear buds um but they're still making incredible equipment. So why are we upset yeah if we always .

expect like life changing so far apple too and there husbands ff, that is been very important over the last few years. I think the switch from the intel chips to their own silicon on computers was like a world changing thing for them and for the world of laptops in general and the kind of shifted where intel others are going. But that's not as exciting as like this. This phone looks Better than the other phone or something.

Do remember the dome gloom crowd. They they announced they were going to shift away from intel. There were so many people, even hard core long term apple fans were, say, oh, apple, the problem.

There's no way of cell phone chip is going to work inside of a PC. And you know they did IT, they did IT. So why are we trust? Why are we believing that? They forgot how to do that? They extremely good and execution. The just the time I and .

i'm not saying that also i'm not saying the vision pro a failure either. Like i've been playing round with when I reviewed what IT is is like IT is very much the first iphone and the first iphone was a crappy device.

IT was uh IT was power what they had edge cellar, right? Didn't have three g IT didn't have an APP store because they didn't even fully launched that he was just like an idea of a thing and background, apple was able to quickly turn around me like, okay, here's the iphone three g now we have three g and then the three gs was the point right thing, if you like. The upstart was there.

Things started getting really good, and I took a wild get going vision player. Will need some time is what I think. But like having, you know, tested that thing and use that thing, I see the vision what whatever the gaming for what spac computing I could see how that could be something.

Um and also like we are getting very close to uh meta connect twenty twenty four, where medis expected to show up there like prototype uh A R headset. And I D feel like that is something a lot of people are spending billions, billions of dollars to get towards. But we don't it's hard to see like what that will actually be like. I think of the vision pro A, I do a real version of what's al computing could actually look like um then the stuff we've made for medicine are how do you like or you guys excited all about the idea of augmented reality glasses.

One way more excited by A R than by V R. V R was always a gimp for me. He was a game that some people couldn't play like myself because I would always get DIY.

But A R, um going back to to holo lens, going back to, no, even what google glass was supposed to be that did not end up being. That's what I want, if you can give me a device that would over the useful information on the real world, yes, please. And if you can make that in something that doesn't require me to Carry a twenty pounds of equipment, fantastic.

So I think there's going to be a breakthrough. I don't know it's going to come through. I honestly, this is one of those those weird times where A A A small company could could redefine the market by coming up with a missing link and we don't even know what the missing link .

is yet yeah for good. Like just having looked at this industry for so long, um there are rare cases of that like the big screen guys, the folks who developed this APP for just watching movies in VR, they released the headset and it's a really, really nice heads set with a micro OLED display in everything but also crazy expensive. And like IT is something for like very a very, very niche group of VR users.

But I don't know like A I guess we're in and we're spot, right? Like I don't know and we can come in and be like, okay, we have a full design we could get access to, to the displays in the hardware that can do Better than the big companies. I do feel like, right, the smaller players are completely shut out of this because meta has already invested tens of billions of dollars in VR before IT has like fully taken off for them.

Um we also know like I am sure vitium pro has taken billions of dollars of development for apple too. So I I don't know I don't know where it's all going to be. Um air glasses do you think like portrait is something you want to wear all day? Is that your vision or is just like something you'd want to to have around to? We're in the office to help me work.

By the time a commercial set of air glasses are available, I will have to wear glasses so I not mind. And being in a set of A R glasses, yeah, yeah, I would wear IT every single day. I have solution would wear every single day, even if meet I D D.

Be logged in while I was sitting down that to provide power, maybe a little performance booi would do IT. I think I see so much possibility with with smart overlays ah now there needs to be breakthrough in screen resolution and eyes. There needs to be breakthrough in power efficiency.

There needs to be breakthrough in battery technology. And honestly, there needs to be breakthrough with processing power because the amount of processing you're gonna to do on every single headset is going to be a significant amount and you cannot rely on being connected to to the cloud. So but but that's that's coming, right?

I mean, we're seeing that we're seeing an exponential al increase in the type of processing that will need for AR. We are seeing companies develop really nice micro O L D gres. We even companies getting really fraggle with power usage.

So I honestly think it's just a matter of time. Give IT ten years, ten years. And I think there would .

be everywhere. But you also you you're lying to the point where you will be wearing glasses. So you want that like time time to sink up. Would you willingly now start wearing these glasses just for the AR? Because I feel like that is a killer problem for this tech, like it's I am very intrigued by them. I also like we are in everything, but the problem with the vision part on everything is the thing you have to put on your head, in your face, and you have worry about wait and baLance and everything. And even if somebody comes up with like a perfect pair of like hipster licking glasses that can do A A R stuff, will people actually want to wear glasses just for that?

Oh, absolutely. The advantage is too great to not if if you're a professional and your colleagues are wearing A R glasses and they're getting call outs, just super simple, super simple l names of people in the crowd, so that as they're doing their meeting and greeting, they're doing their networking. They have the name, they have a little bit and persons information that they might have on the person in their personal road.

Dex, and they can do that, that meet and great in a Better way. That is an incredible advantage over someone who is trying to to just use their memory. I mean, that's a super simple thing to do, but that is an insurmountable advantage if you're in a competitive market.

sure. IT feels like I guess this for a very specific person like politicians and celebrities will usually have a hamblen that will be like caps this is this person. They did this for you um I I can see that I can see that being useful, but I don't know and I know you go between wearing glasses and .

not wearing glass. So how are you feeling about this? Yes.

people literally will jump things, their eyes to stop reading classes. So although .

yeah I mean I should say I my origin story with contacts was that I mean was I was playing basketball wear wearing glasses and my glass got up up and I stepped on them. I was like, you know if as we discuss running earlier, you know there are are certain activities where it's Better not to work. Glasses.

that's where content. I would be more worry about an elbow hitting my content in my eye and getting glass starts my eye. But I I like the context, are flexible .

enough. Don't yeah yeah. I mean, they broke I A ce orn. And it's, I mean, they are not glass.

No, I don't I don't actually know what materia, but I think like I like the a of A R. I mean that is one of those um things that just seems really cool. I IT feels like you at this point.

I'm sure of taking IT on faith that like there will be interesting use cases because they IT feels like like everything that we've seen so far, which is you know mostly been using phones and and either have been like all examples and you know poking on being like kind of the biggest one. I know none of that has like been as engaging to the extent that I would wear IT everyday, right? But I mean, that's that's so different.

I think IT feels like there's both the hardware chAllenges and then there's just, you know what actually does the interaction look like. And I mean, obviously, a lot of companies are working on this, a lot of companies of different ideas about this. But I mean, one of things I think about IT was just all so the and I think a lot of people think.

What sort of struck by this was like the went with the vision pro, the weird sort of like camera footage of your eyes and just, I mean, obviously to make them that. But I think also that how that speaks too like this confusion of like, well, this is a new experience. How do we sort of like do this in a way that feels natural, that we still feels like you're not totally disconnected from from the real world? And I think you're going to see a lot of like weird jackie, things like that. People try things out and know when people like, no, I don't want that.

That doesn't good case. Tage of your eyes is a rendering, a rendering of your it's being projected onto the thing. But still it's weird. IT is very but i'll tell you that guys, this is like i've tested the magic leap air heads of, i've tested hollie ds.

And the one that actually has stuff I want to use day today is still the visit pro like being able to like sit in front of like my macbook a computer and had turned into a two hundred and screen that is like a towing in front of me. Um it's an incredible experience. And also to have that alongside other windows and things happening like the experience built, software wise and like platform wise is really fascinating. I just kind not kind of see like about eventually moving to something word looks like a standard pair of glasses and it's not just big guys looking at you from from a fricken visor. Um I want to point out the the meta headset that we're expecting believe it's called a cyrus is the code name um there are been like pitches of IT uh zuker berg tache in the background of of his pitchers earlier this year and IT looks like a chunky pair of hipster glasses so I feel like that what they are .

going for yeah meta is naming their headset after the god .

of the dead I see. Well, not that's an efficient name. O .

yeah.

not the efficient. It's a code name. go. Alright.

I got yeah, got IT. I I feel like that's IT.

I just literally wrote this thing up and in gadgets. But IT has a code name like that and that's the idea chunk y hipp. So frames um yeah is is that would would that be something? Would you guys to see yourselves where i've wearing thick glasses before?

I like in chunky glasses. I like frames.

I think yeah, chunky glasses is are okay. I have no problem with the vision pro. I tried IT. It's actually interesting gip, but that implementation would never work for me though.

The huge headset with the attached battery pack again, you know, you give me A A pair of chunks y ray bands. And yeah, I I wear IT all day here. We're not there. We're just there right now.

The head side, by the way, is called a orion that's so much Better, Better list. Osiris could be really, really interesting view of of other thing that we don't see in the real world. Um glasses um there have been a couple so zuker berg had IT in like gamp in his background medical in twenty twenty two. He also showed off this like a risk based device for um controlling the air glasses in the air experience. So we have there's a last speculation that these things will go together, that you'll be wearing the glasses and do something with your rist um to get this control apples also doing hand gesture control with the evident pro so feel like that at all put together um yeah which .

way would you want to go? Would you want to go with physical controls or physical bands or camera identified motions?

I think it's gonna to be like one thing we have realized in looking at um the vision pro like there is that the thing the marvel experience, which was kind of cool, but you realize playing a game or something like a game with the vision pro is really kinky because the hand gesture cognition is really slow.

So I am holding like capt in amErica shield um on a quest or of the r heads that IT feels instant because they can track exactly where that controller is. The vision product does not do that. So IT feels really, really clunky and slow.

So I could see the advantages of having both maybe self ahead a and then have the controller separate for the people who need the additional interaction stuff. You know OK that's r um anything. okay. So that that was apple and where we're going to have a lot of thoughts, i'm sure people be talking about and tweet for a while. Uh, we did mention the presidential debate and a couple of things came add of that uh right after uh the Harris uh the Harris trump debates um Taylor swift officially endorsed the Harris wall uh campaign and also mentioned that A A I imagine that was used by the trump campaign was one thing that push her towards being very um very open about her choice and her her commitment to like a specific candidate I just found that kind of interesting.

This is certainly not the first time um you know an artist has responded to like AI versions of themselves but this is like a very um I guess the term is f around and find out right like the term campaign did this thing and used this image without her approval and and did IT just to show like, hey look this image as Taylor sr. Supports us that's good right? And the immediate repercussion there is that she's like, no no thank you and also screw AI. And i'm very clear about who I am supporting lots of I mean.

I wouldn't necessary I mean, I can claim to know it's going on in Taylors of the mine, but I mean, didn't endorse biden in twenty, twenty, twenty. And I think there there was an assumption that he was going to endorse biden slash Harris at some point during this campaign and SHE presumably timed IT for the debate already.

Um so I think also the the A I think did all was also give her some cover because I think there's often this question, oh, artists like why don't you just shut up about politics? Who cares? Just let us have our own our own opinions.

And so but I saying, well, because of this A I stuff like I need to step out, not because I think you should be so excited to hear my opinion, but because there's been this this representation so it's not me telling you how to vote. I'm just telling correcting the B S. Austerity out there. Not think that that's not true, but I really a good .

cover and like a whatever terrence come up, I can understand why he is super popular. But one thing about like not not really coming out and supporting canto twenty twenty did rub me the wrong way, especially when is like we we kind of saw how things went with the other guy.

you know SHE did he supported by in twenty twenty. But so this is also the interesting machine doors by and that was closer to the, uh closer to the election. And and I think the other thing was that in twenty, twenty, Taylor lift was an incredibly popular artist. I think in twenty twenty four, she's the most famous artist .

in the world um for a right .

know I think because of like errors tour because of like the drive is healthy relationship. I think there has been this fixation on whether or not he was going to endorse by in a way that didn't really exist in twenty twenty. Because, like I was, that speculation started. I was like, I did that ever really registered?

Came really late. I did. I do because I remember the run up to have been like, what what is? What are a lot of the major artist thinking? And he was not taking him for a long while. So there's that agree with you to cover but also IT does seem like i'm sure she's pst yeah .

I couldn't be happy.

right? Yeah there's an angle to the story, which is I mean, she's she's a very savy persons of what she's known about the the development of A I she's seen a lot of the fakes. I'm sure that her people are keeping your breath of that.

But IT seems like the thing that really ticked her off was that there was no official announcement from the trump campaign of this is A I please stop doing that. We don't need more this information. I think if they had done that, he would have stay quiet.

They would have done the same thing that he didn't twenty, twenty, which is wait until this right before the election, so that IT couldn't be seen that SHE swing. This, this was, you know, yeah, this is F, A, F, O. This is, this was.

yeah, that's the woman. But also, specifically the trump campaign, like using IT too, like you can even wait for them to deny, because they were likely. So this thing happened. And like just posted IT, so yeah, so you would .

trun posted on truth social today. Rain, yeah, good. All caps. I hate tailor swift.

He's not mad. I'll till tell everyone a mad online.

At least he's not threatening to pregnant her and take care of her cats. So I mean that I guess that's a plus. Is is the .

right wing okay? I I don't know about any of this. Um also added this to immediately after the debate there were a lot of immediate conspiracies that come with Harris was wearing an earpiece disguise, his earrings and the this was really passing in the sea too because it's twenty to see like A I guess um something like this just like come out of the air you know and just form and became a thing like a lot of people are talking about by the morning the debate ended that like ten thirty P M eastern by the morning this became a very regular thing.

A lot of people talking about um IT was specifically, people thought they were using um novo each one audio earrings and we covered this in gadget and it's like these these devices not even exist. They are not similar but also they don't exist. This company IT doesn't seem like has actually ever shipped these headsets. Uh their kick starter page uh seems like it's just dead. Um yeah she's just using the expensive nice Tiffany e earrings but nothing nothing like an erp. As to start fascinating, we also pointed out like this has happened for pretty much every democratic debate going back to obama like there was ah ruis o obamas wearing in your peace, said biden was there in your peace, said something was happening that he could not be that the republic, canada was like losing against this person so just like that kind of funny, I don't know. Yeah.

but this is less tech latter. But I mean, the other rumor right was that sh'd gotten the questions ahead of time, which you were like, what what secret was, uh, hitting and those, yes, you will be asked about the economy. Yes, you will be asked about immigration. You know, I think not that I give me to beginning a little bit into attention, but just A I think he had the european's thing has less attack and more just like you, Frankly, like somebody had a really bad debate and you've were desperate to come with excuses.

How dare somebody be prepared for a debate with very, very obvious questions that would be asked to them at that debate? Let's let's wash our hands of this a little bit, and let's let's go to the o for another word from our response .

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know the show okay, enough of politics. Let's get back to you something we can all agree on. The police station five pro is seven, one hundred dollars.

And I think that's insane. That's just wild to me. Um yeah party, that's okay.

So yes, it's a lot of money. IT really is a lot of money. So much money. Yeah, IT is so much money. However, I am, I am of the PC master race generation, and I will spend three times as much as that to build my perfect rick. So so I mean, i'm onna hate on IT.

I will say that between the seven hundred dollar PS five and the sub seven hundred dollar top of the line steam deck, I am taking the steam deck every single time uh, I mean, yeah you can say well, but SONY has got the games. If you've got the games and you've got the regular PS five, you don't need this. This is they keep talking about how they're going to add textures.

Textures haven't really changed in the last five years. The quality of the game and how IT looks in place hasn't really changed in the last five years. So this seems to be a refresh that is only appealing to the people who want bragging rights.

which H, H, I hate. Braking rates also, I see the ability to run essentially like six F, P, S, but also with the good graphics from the the quality settings um like the play station five pro is what four years old at this over the place. Station five is four years old at this point.

And that whole generation like everyone is saying, like you have four k quality graphics, we will have things like great tracing, we will have six fps. The problem is you can't get IT all at the same time, right? The the first run of x boxy x titles and placed five titles all have the performance versus quality choice.

You could have uh the quality setting when I the plate spider man, miles man is like you can have nice ray tracing, um Better lighting, Better textures and up four k rendering. Um was not always worker, but you could have the retracing thirty F P S. But if you get rid of the retracing, if you get ridable large graphical loads stuff, you can play a much smoother six fps version of the game.

And IT makes a huge difference for spider band, where you're swinging around the city and you want to like, you want to move quickly. You want to move smoothly, like I felt the difference there. And I think that was one of the first things that really cooled me on this entire generations. Like we were supposed to get 4k gaming with six fps。 I never thought I was totally possible. I'm more of a PC gamer, but i'm like a practical PC gamer, like i'm don't you meet some fork? Just give me forty forty p, good, forty forty p, but a good frame rate, a good salt frame rate, and also get me the graphical effect that you can fit in alongside that even is this all greek to you to understand why?

Like what left? I mean, the only part, the only thing with numbers that I understood was seven hundred dollars, which is, I don't know when is less than an iphone. I will say since since proud about up the steam deck, I will say the other times i've been on twitter and console gaming has come up, i've just been like, embarrass that I have nothing. And now I can say that I do have a steam deck and i'm very happy about that.

Did you get one of the discounted units?

No, I did not know. I got um I was was can you remember what the upgraded the not the new generation, but slightly Better.

The five hundred gig about a decent model, two hundred and fifty dollars.

Now that's insane. That's crazy. With with the old L, C, D. Screen, the old elect, still a good screen, so pretty. I think that was an ips screen and still still good stuff.

But yeah my my thinking is like this placation viprinex not for everybody is certain for a very nh type of police station player, but also it's been four years since the play station five location just feels like I don't know. Okay, you get you get a Better GPU. Um i'm also surprised didn't really um IT is mainly a GPU upgrade in in many ways.

I don't believe it's a CPU upgrade. So you're Better running a Better GPU on essentially the same CPU. Seems weird to have that essentially four years later, couple of everything doesn't have a disc drive.

So I feel like you can buy IT separately. Yeah, you can buy IT separately for a lot of money. But the pro level player who would go for something like this would probably also want to destroy to.

So this is not really a seven hundred dollar devices. That money plus the cost of the describe. I have to look that up again. But it's it's more than that i'd want to pay for standard and describe .

and kids five one, two in the in the discord room is saying that it's still not 4k， it's upscaled. So there should be the power to up exactly so and actually, I remember the very beginning when the rumors of this version, where is coming out, there was a whole group saying that h it's gna support A K native, A K, and that there's no part the way.

Are you out of your things? I mean that they did say they would support A K. In some instance, I remember A K was the thing that was on the box that support will support.

This is, what do we started talking about? Super high resolutions. yeah.

yes. Vote IT is clear. Ah yes. This is not needed for k rendering. This is there is no ark x forty ninety in this system is that sounds like it's a higher level um A M T E G P U the taping now like a newer, newer version of aim.

These hardware are but also you know aimed these hardware has been really bad at stuff like great tracing, stuff like playing and fork natively too. So just just kind of rough. Um I mean, this is part is the best council experience somebody can buy so I can understand that um I see a lot of people saying, oh, you you could build a gaming PC for close.

That not really not really because like the G P, S, you really want to buy like the gp, six dollars. So that's five hundred, six hundred, three GPU, three hundred, four hundred for the C P U, plus everything else. You are spending fifteen, one hundred dollars to two thousand for a good, good gaming computer, basically.

And I I can see the appeal here IT does make me wondered the guys think like the placation six whenever that appears, I guess this almost sets a new baseline Price like I would not be the Price play station six was like six hundred dollars. That's that's what we're doing now at the very least, right? They've done that before to IT didn't work out well for them before. But you know well.

if a certain basic question which which has there been sort of that pro kind of tear uh or model for previous and has that Price difference been roughly the same?

There was a placation four pro and there were also like the the year the x boxes as well at the x box one x right.

of course. Yeah.

so that did happen. They did have a slight premium, but they were like the pro was like four hundred box, right? Like IT was not we did not get past five hundred dollars.

So yes, yeah, this is this is a whole new territory. IT reminds me of, like, I don't know, the radio era. I remember that thing. That thing was seven hundred dollars in the, yeah I don't know, awesome word ideas. But I remember .

dollars sense were literally taking the hardware out of ade aches living wasn't an emulation. IT was no, that's the hardware. Just put IT in that that's .

why was so put IT in there. I mean, yeah, neo, you was that for me? Like I I can see why new year was expensive.

You I think whether not this becomes the new Price point is gna depend on how microsoft and that more likely than intendo respond. If they look at this and they say, hey, if people are welling to spend spend seven hundred plus on a top here, P S five and the next intendo switch, uber, uber, whatever they going to call IT is going to go for six hundred and x microsoft leases the next x box and IT sells four thousand. So that, that will will determine whether not this pricing points sustainable.

I don't think .

I don't exactly. We are definitely creeping. And I don't want to dump all over the console heads if if you play P S five games and you love P S five games, this will be a Better experience. And if you've got the cash IT, we will be. But I mean, as a casual gamer, this no I know well as a casual gamer.

you have so many other Better options now too. Like if you want a dpc gaming, get a team deck. You can hook that up to TV docket to TV and still have a pretty good experience.

Um you mention a couple things, a couple of things, their power like there is a new x box y rex which is six hundred dollars a has a too terrible dry but also is is just next box series x in a slightly a Sparkly or color I believe is the thing. I don't think the intendo will ever do this. I think the intendo is the company where i'm looking like.

I can see a hard line for them, four hundred bucks maybe like maybe creeping up to that point. But the P S five pro is not messed m for everybody. I don't think anything past six hundred is going to be for everybody. And intense whole pitches like, you know, where we make a things, everybody, family gaming, everybody could buy IT. I still, I bought the old let switch like idiot, because I want of the best looking switch games.

How do you like IT? How do I was thinking about I love you.

I love IT listen it's it's way too expensive and also we are going to learn more about and you a switch a hopefully soon but playing um you know um tears of the kingdom on an OLED screen playing like any of those games where there is so much bold color and everything like i'm i'm an older of fanatic so if you put oed in something I will probably like being towards getting IT go IT just looks Better but yeah I I could see in the intend going to four hundred, but never because they're not chasing the same hardware. They're chasing a whole different vibe of like we want portable gaming meets uh meats actual council gaming um I can seen and to do doing some weird stuff maybe being like, okay, it's four hundred now but also the doc adds a little more graphical power or something .

that's that's the show title put in an OLED in IT.

put an oh in the baby, sold sold but I do feel like for the x box in for station yeah six hundred dollars doesn't seem like um it's that out of the question because we should be .

though IT really get a stop.

GPU are expensive, like you know, GPU are expensive. You know hardware has gotten more expensive, the processing, the actual ability to even create these tools. Um you know this hardware, it's harder now like it's harder to ship this stuff.

Uh, they're aiming for finer animators now like the actual design process of these chips is tougher. So I guess realistically, I I buy that more than games creeping up to like seventy eighty dollars. You know IT also just makes .

me wonder if that has like Prices creep up with you start to see more tearing as well and you get basic console pro and then may be there's an additional level above that to get the really high like big senders.

I can see what kind of have that when there. There's the mobile gamers. So the people who only game on their are the people who are using steam to play games like me, which is casual casual F P S, uh mostly strategy and rds type games.

And then there's the sort of the twitch players of the the real first person shooter players who we are going to go for the consoles. Um so yeah, I mean, I know where my my comfort point is. I know the type of machine and the type of hard what I ended, and I do not need top of the line.

It's fun when I get to review the top of the line and I get to see how see what all the Candy looks like when I put IT on. But that's not my gaming experience. So and and I know that about myself.

I don't need top geographics. I don't need a crazy frame refresh rate. I just need a game that's going to engage me for twenty hours.

And in that case, steam deck works perfectly like team dec's hardware are is again AMD hardware too, I believe, right so IT is IT unlaid ed most of the games um anthy I recommend to you uh tactical breach wizards as a great game to look into the it's a great fiction game to world where magic is like real and also they use IT for military stuff and it's a tactics game too. So that's my shadow for the weekend.

What kind of games do you like?

I mean mostly old adventure in RPG games. I mean i've spent like one hundred fifty .

hours now in boldin .

m civilization.

So okay, if you like, sir, look up a game called um oxygen not included my K L, that's always on sale. Just try play IT for ten hours and see .

if IT cases this in .

the easy ten hours.

just ten ten hours one day. So i'm very happy .

with my steam deck. I will say that now I am starting to be, maybe I should get a constant because now the people like I know to know you never gave up on blue eyes. But but now I like to shoot yeah, guess I should have like blue rays. And I don't want to just buy a separate blue ray player, just get a place station maybe.

I mean, they're going to a get cheaper hope. Well, actually know they they are the Prices. So no, even the base place decision has gotten more expensive in japan and elsewhere.

So this is a crazy generation that we're living in now to uh share also anthy like how to disco alesia. I feel like that's a game I probably need to you that is up your ally like old school adventure games with great writing and self. Um just just good stuff. Uh let's see here. There was also story which I feel like has not been reported that much but facebook admitted to scraping every australian adults um public photos imposed to train their AI with new opped out option and also post regarding you know kids that we're in their time lines um fascinating that I saw this reported from abc in australia um where they initially asked the facebook executive like if this was happening they asked metas global privacy director won the claybrook this was the thing they had to press them and they eventually admitted like guess yes in fact we are doing this and also because australia is not tied to like the e use privacy rules um they didn't have to offer and opt out option blots on this guys. I just seems like this is everything we .

hate about like I and and if we I am pretty that is australian adult in that headline because it's a the a story by from A B, C, australia. But I think most american adults are included that in that group to, I think basically just accept people in the you you who opt IT out, you IT basically includes you.

And uh, I mean, in some ways, this was something that IT wasn't exactly a surprise in the sense that that had to basically said for you all, you all your public content. But I think this was the most explicit the'd been about kind of just how extensive that that was. I mean, I one hundred and sure that they've actually well, I mean, I guess there's no reason that I wouldn't have IT seemed like to a certain they are saying like, yes, we believe we have the permission to do all that and we're gonna do all that. I don't know how much of that has actually happened already.

Yeah, I feel like a lot of these companies feel like everyone's talking to google, like what is how much youtube are you training geri on folks? And there's a lot of controversy around OpenAI, you know training things around youtube birds as well. Um the the excuse me, hear from all these companies like hey, we can we can build these eyes if we're not just taking your content, right, we really need to build these A S thinking. No, no. Actually like you should at least be being somebody like should at this for up opens a thought of this pottery.

And I am in the E U, and basically we all opted out. Yes, that's why, that's why matter has not deployed any of its A I scraping in the E U, because they know that it's a legal landy and just legal of field.

I am I have .

stopped posting anything to any facebook property, instagram, facebook, whats up all of IT for what I think it's going on ten years, eleven years now it's and precisely for this reason because I know no matter what they say, no matter how many times they say they are, they're going to respect our privacy that at some point they're just going to do what they want to do and it's too late.

Post factor, I cannot stop them from training a model on my data so they don't get my data. And I think that's really the only thing we can do. There's going to be congressional hearings about this.

At some point, they're going to be a drop to the mud. Their P, R, department is going to to work over time, and it's going to go back to Normal. The only way it's gna change if is if people, us, the users, stop giving them what they want, which is our content.

And at some point, all social media users are going to have to do this with all social media services. It's like we want you to be in business. We know you have a business model that requires you to sell our content to advertisers.

However, there is a red line that you cannot cross or you will pay. And right now, there is no or you will pay if you cross this red line. Well, we and make you stop for six months.

I agree, although I would .

push back slightly and say, I mean, the fact that the example used about the E. U. Does suggest that know, I know there is a lot of different opinions about how effective a lot of this privacy regulation is in the E. U. And what the unintended consequences are by IT has caused facebook to change its behavior, at least in that region.

And so I think that some level of government regulation, I think, you know, when other countries in the U S I think is appropriate um even if we don't necessary have a lot of faith in the people who might write that legislation is a story. I think the other chAllenge is that you know as every company, every major tech company wants to become an AI company, there's this question of, well, okay, where do you draw the line, right? You said never.

You haven't posted to any facebook property and a while. And I think. That's loadable. And then but then this question, well, okay, well, we're going to post this video to youtube. Like is this is google going to train? I know somebody who's in the content business, selig, I don't like that.

But like, know does that me we can't post to youtube and you know and for item, I think I think it's good for people to be conscious where they post and to you know not support platforms that they think are doing shady stuff. But I think also like if you want to be online, like on some level, you're probably going to be posting somewhere is probably going to be fed into an A I train mission. And that didn't mean we can't be mad about that. That didn't mean we can't try to do something about IT. But I think it's tough to figure out exactly where they dry.

It's a sad reality. I guess where we are right now, it's just like the countries were not fully prepared with previously legislation for the stiff to too, like the eu has been doing, allow this work for a while now. But related to this uh and in gradually also covered the story about australia's prime minister basically following the idea that they want to ban social media for children.

Um facebook and a lot of other sites already. We have to be thirteen and old thirteen sm but I think the thinking here is like for also for kids between fourteen and sixteen, like perhaps that there should be a way to institute that as well. You guys think that is a potential released that potential thing to uh to help kids from editor, the worst of the social media site? Or is that is IT just kind of useless because everyone can can be all their friends are get me using them anyway. And you .

there is I am very, very concerned about any issues that concern that are around child development because we all know we know for fact that those early years are extremely .

important .

for the skills and the social liability that individuals will develop into their adult. And we already know that the screen generation, I won't say, have been hard. I will say that they react very differently and they interact very differently.

So this is okay for me. I don't think we know enough to say which way IT has to go. I would bring in someone like Larry Maggie, who has been working on safe children um um environment on the internet for what two decades now.

Uh you need people like that who actually understand the issues that are at play. Should children restrict the use of the internet? Yes, they should.

Should adults be involved with what their children see and don't see on the internet? Yes, they should. Should governments be involved in making sure that parents have the tools to be able to do that? Yes, they should.

But right now, nobody has a solution that you can look at and say, that's the way I do load the australian government for getting at IT. But right now, this this whole thing is, i've been following this pretty close like this seems more like this is something that people will like. So i'm going to say that I doesn't seem like it's something that i'm doing because i've got a good plan to .

deal with IT yeah, not nice day. The other thing I.

I do wonder about and and you know this gets in areas where just you know because i'm not a social scientist or psychologist like it's IT serve can be hard to kind of pull things apart but I am wary of like I think something there can be this tendency just to blame social media for everything and so I think it's it's trying to hold these truth of like yeah does seem like there's evidence that social media can be very harmful, particularly to kids who are emotional vulnerable already.

But you know at the same time, there's like all this stuff happens in a context. And I think part the point part was making like is is just saying that you want to dinner kind of blaming social media because that's something that you can either out a this never passes gets past because it's easier to solve that. Then maybe some the broader societal issues that are also creating emotional distress in in our in children.

yes. Yeah I mean, it's it's a convenient thing to say just just spend social media but also i'm thinking and like I have a family members who are like T S. Now and like I high schools tough, you know, high school, new school stuff I cannot imagine, like going through that and also like having to deal with the hill of instagram, m and everything. A very happy. I went through that in the midst nineties, you know, like the as the internet was budding up and also social media was not even that thing um but even then like they were always serious about the internet and meeting people in the internet oh so terrifying and scary and I think about these fears were always little over oversoul too but we also know that social media, especially like a company like meta that knows like instagram is harming teenagers and didn't very little to stop that um yeah this does not make me feel very good about IT in general.

I will say that I have taken to regularly taking weeks off of soft media and I I know that hurts my my following. I know that hurts, uh, how much engagement I get, but I feel so much Better after I do that seriously. It's at first there was one of these things like, okay, i'll try IT for a week.

I'll try IT for a month now it's you know i'm going to spend the entire summer offline um and i've had some of the best times a in the last two decades because i've done that. So if if I an adult who can understands how the internet working and where the toxic stuff is, can benefit from taking a break every once and why, how much more could a Young person who still trying to figure those things out, uh, benefit from taking social media or internet holiday every once a while? Pressure.

I guess we can think about IT like letting kids drive, letting kids drink IT almost like letting them willingly do something that could harm them IT is it's funny. It's really how that even work. Like I think you're just about like the the idea of news in general too, like the news that kids are exposed to these day.

My five year old daughter was just getting ready for school one day, and he heard the line. They are reading the dog. They are reading the cat.

No SHE heard that. And I don't listen to news around my kids just because the world is on fire. And also they will just hear how bad everything is, you know? But he heard that one specific land.

He was like, what? what? What is that? And she's like, who's that guy? SHE immediately said that guy should be banned. I think SHE got that word from minecraft videos because she's a big minecraft had right now like, no, no, no.

So he o SHE, he's running for president so he cannot be found and he, just to be five years old, was like, I don't think he should be president. That's the only exposure she's had to him. So but anyway, it's it's weird how media works for kids.

It's weird how social media works to when IT comes to the AI stuff. By the way, let's let's take a step back to hear. I want to point to an article that really enjoyed from Christopher mims over the wall street journal.

Um he read about uh what is A I best that now improving products you already own. I'm interested how are you folks actually using A I these days and A I tools? We're so waiting for stuff like apple intelligence, but copy has been around med for a while. I know a lot of specific programs have AI, you know, powered features. Is there anything either you guys actually like these that is AI power or we just like waiting for you to get Better?

I don't. And I know I mean, apple intelligence was the first one where I I felt like, oh, maybe and again, it's White miss is talking about is like, do you go somewhere else or do you does IT just make the experience of of a product that you actually use Better? Um I think that um you know I played around a ChatGPT favorite thing is always just like typing my name and what about me? What doesn't and IT didn't mean it's just pull some google results but but usually pretty flattering. So like that but I think you know I never I mean because I mean that seems like a lot at times that the most common example I see for chat G P, right as people using as google, which is like, again, I thing's absolute psychopath vor.

that is really a big yeah that is I hate that being when I use being.

if I actually only scroll up too much IT automatic goes in the coal pilot. I D, I don't want, okay, so I actually do. Have you use cases? Okay, have been using a generated A I on on the the AV side to create copyrights, safe images that we can use on some of the articles that we publish OK, especially when we are doing dealing with a art and religious art that you're .

think we you mean the vatican?

Yes yes, the vatican and the desk korea. Um i've also been part of a small team that is looking at ways of um safeguarding academic integrity in our institutions of higher education, specifically our I am working with a professor over at loyal marmont university in los Angeles to develop criticism that is A I resistant because they they're all very worried about students just using generative A I to write essays and and some IT work.

So we came up with a couple of different strategies that actually seem to be working specifically asking students to use generated AI to write about the subject, the topic, the thesis that they are working on and then they personally have to go back and they have to critique what that generate A I has written about the subject using what they actually know about the subject and the sources. What we found was that while A I is very good at generating stuff, it's not very good at critical that stuff. So they can use a different AI to that, right, the the stuff that they need to write in the critique of the original ai.

So those those have been things that we've been do IT. We've been using A I and we've also been working on ways to defeat the use of A I. And I think that pretty sums up to cater no um I went to hear more .

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to IT to interact baguio. Um I want to share something that i've been using that I have found like to be surprisingly helpful. And that's descript, which is the um podcast editing platform descript com.

And it's one of the things where I started using IT. I've seen a lot of people talk about IT. I'm perfectly find editing audio on my end and something i've done for a long time IT can be tedious IT can be annoying. I'm not an audience iner.

Um for the in gager podcast, like we have a real producer who does allow the like real audio inertion work um but sometimes just got to get audio out there and I want to sound good and I found the script be really like the stuff IT does. We once recorded an episode and somebody illiterate had a jack camera going on outside their window and we all thought like I this is unusable. We're not going to be able to do anything here. Um we put the store audio through the script and IT has a studio filter that does a good job of making even crappy might sound Better but he also has really good noise reduction capabilities and essentially just like muted that out um wow like you well .

or could you pretty .

wait like you could tell there wasn't really clipping. You could tell there was occasional distortion of like is doing some leveling work, but it's listenable in a way that I thought I was like stuff I had to just throw out immediately before. So I think that was the thing that immediately sold me on that platform.

And also um the transcription is pretty good to I see is rev for uh you know hiring human translators transcribers. But I also read a lot about how badly that company treated its human workers and a lot of us stopped supporting them after that. Um I think like the script and also revisiting A I transcription now too.

But the idea that you know descript is just like running this audio through the you know through its AI engine and getting pretty usable tax. I still go in and do quick at its, but that saved me like literally hours of my life. So it's allowed me to get transcriptions up episodes has helped me with interviews, stuff like that. That's how way I found to be.

So for the people who haven't used the script for, I tested IT and I actually look promising. But I saw an early version that I don't think was ready for use. IT basically turns a video into like a word document, so have got a transcription, and then you can cut and pace and move things around. IT will do all of the video at a gude. I did not know about the audio improvement.

IT does that for audio two. So essentially audio projects can be done in the same way. Um you can edit a timely if you want to, but you are basically just eddying like text. So IT makes non audio engineers IT makes IT easy for non audio engineers to essentially make stuff to yeah that's very cool, very cold yeah I don't want to sound like can answer them um there there occasions where sometimes the tools just crash.

Things don't always are a workout so well, but i've been able to like go to an event record stuff with the voice memo, to be honest, run IT through descripts that sounds like halfway decent and published published interview within an hour of like doing the interview. So it's sort of like empower ing in a way. And I think that's what microsoft and and the apple want to think about, like when they're talking about AI power programs.

But stuff like ChatGPT, stuff like the copilot search, which is powerful by ChatGPT. I just don't see to me that that seems far, unless usual, in the idea that you can't really trust IT. This seems like a pretty search in the you can trust like that is less useful to me uh A I imagery um I could see using IT for a blocks and things like that if you just need to put content out there.

But I do think like that stuff is still we're still trying to figure that out too, right, because it's giving you copyright free images, right? Like images where you don't have to worry about IT. But also they built their entire platform amount like existing copyright that they're not paying for. So it's it's one of those .

weird things right now. I mean, if they could build in a general A I tool that would allow me to fix things that I messed up in recording and like, have me saying things that I didn't actually say, but I can get type that I wanted to percent would use, rather than having to be shoot when I mess up .

shooting video that's a tougher video. Um yeah I mean, I don't know. Like one thing, I was able to like descript as like A I voice generation.

So there's a point where I like to I wanted to retake a word and I just like I trained the a little voice model on myself and IT the I boys. And that sounds like decent. This was like one worried that I sort of garbage and IT sort of fixed IT and may IT work well.

It's not a perfect platform. I'm sure there are others out there. That's just the one that's kind of work for me. And as as somebody who's been working in audio and knows how hallie and how harder is to edit audio and to make audio sounds good to have a thing rack could just like threw IT into this mysterious AI engine and have IT just work. Um it's kind of .

oraculous ia okay. The vendor and thin, I want ask both of this. You've we've all done our own editing. We've all kind of obsessed over our final product early on when you were doing voice over recordings, would you go through in your your, your software choice and remove all your breath noises and like remove pauses? Is would you would you like spend an extraordinary amount of time just kind of perfecting stuff that people wouldn't be able to hear in the final product anyway?

I used to, but then I realized IT actually makes a sound worse. IT makes a sound in human in a way, yeah, if you did that.

too perfect is too.

too perfect.

yeah. I usually remove the filter words, which i'm sure that people have the use other arms and arms and light but I don't there you go but I don't Normally remove breathing sounds unless it's really loud or if i'm I mean caught ing I .

was so so self conscious about breathing sounds and you're editing with kids on yeah and so you can hear all those things on, my god, I so horrible. And the funny thing is that the people who are listen to IT the both versions, I think we can tell we don't hear that because we're not listening on headphones. Were listings on speakers that doesn't make a difference. Now sorry, that was a time. No.

I mean, I told agree and that's something you learn as a human right? Like, oh, you think the perfect is removing all of the extra stuff where they turned out our ears in many ways. Um i've heard from people that they actually prefer IT when they hear the breath and they hear the full the fool like uh but you actually constructing words and things like IT feels a little more natural to them and I will now get that yeah .

yeah now you know it's a human because are so many videos out there that are using A A I voices or or computer voices that know until they start adding bread noises into those AI productions, that's kind of our that's our key.

That's now you you're giving them ideas. This is their next this is their .

next upgrade, the generative right sounds.

It's a listen, i'm not going to say that again, but there is a bunch of stuff that the script does. And like you can literally choose like the length of the pause between like a word that you added out IT does the automatic like no junk work stuff to you. So I would recommend take a look at that. I don't know how that works for videos ef um but for text or for just plane audio OS good even did a good job like putting shows together. Um I just like they can do that um I like writing my own stuff but I did a pretty decent job of doing time stamps and Jones safety.

So yeah how good is IT at like transcription of other languages?

I had that I don't .

know because I do so much of that. That's like half my .

day and that's another thing where A I could be used for too like this is running through translation engines and that I try IT. I've not done I have not done much like translations of through that. Uh in other news uh we also saw the first successful commercial spacewalk, private spacewalk bipolar is dan um using spacesuit is new eva suits um a billie, a jarred isag man and a few spaces.

Engineers um went up and we're able to perform at walk earlier this week and also we saw this morning they landed safely back on earth. This is IT was I wasn't like following the story too closely, but just seeing the video and seeing the fact that they are also using like cool as I space suits. Um do you know it's one of those things that makes me think sometimes an elon must project can be good? You know it's not him directly involved in spacious but IT is his money, unfortunately.

Yeah I am more interested in the space suits yeah because that has been a talking point for space exploration for the longest time. It's difficult to create a suit that will both protect the astronaut and allow them enough mobility to be able to do find motor work. So if you created something that um that has that extra flexibility, fantastic.

Right now, the gold standard for eva suits belongs to russia because they use a different system. They use a chrysalis system where you don't put on the space suit, you get into IT. It's basically a minium spacecraft and they close the hatch on you. And I love those because they're so easy to get into an out of a compared to a naso or a SpaceX suit. But I mean, this is one of those places where more innovation is Better and hopefully they can steal ideas from one another and no one is going pat and crazy because yeah, less we've got a good way to get in and out of spacecraft, between spacecraft and do repairs outside of spacecraft. Uh we're still orbit bit yeah more safely I think.

uh, from what i've read, these suits have to be the other tie essentially to life support itself. They're not like, yes, fully self sustaining suits pretty good ah it's still pretty good. It's like an old style of way of the way we used to do space um but still like these these folks, this billionaire, they did manage to go further than any human has and went and fifty years .

away from except the most mission yeah .

yeah so that's pretty well thought things for me because I know you're so I got you're side I do you think IT here I mean.

I always feel a little bit mixed about this because I do think that science fiction this is one years where science fiction has sort of a mix, maybe just something that has something answer for because it's created this sort of fantasy of the kind of heroic CEO who's going to lead us into space. And on the one hand, generally, I think the work that space access on this is good and i'm excited for what they're doing.

But I think that this idea that you know all the excitement in in space exploration is in the private sector of the idea that like you on mosque, some kind of hero, I definitely don't subscribed you. I don't know there's something about the idea that well the fact that you know asic and was able to do this space work because he's rich um that leaves a bad taste my mouth but you know did at the same time. It's really great that after a fifty years were back out there and we're able to do this.

And you know I also don't want to like minimize the his accomplishment that I mean, if he did his face walk, that's really cool. And even if you know he sort of paid his paid to do that like that, still cool. So yeah, he will conflict.

I think ultimately, they I think on its own, it's good. It's like a very exciting thing, especially after you with the boeing stuff, that there is kind of a setback on that space exportation. So it's great to see like things working. I don't necessarily think of IT as much as like a .

space experts s booming thing on the obviously space poor .

boy arena stuck up there. So yes, it's i'm IT exciting. I mean, I think to me, my hope is obviously like that we have public public o programs that are really pushing and going out to these sort of new frontiers. Um and then prison ly, yeah, they'll be private enterprise that kind of comes in and turn IT into something every day.

We did do something that I am so happy happened um and that is because IT went forty hundred kilometres away from earth, almost nine hundred miles IT didn't pass through the vanion radiation built and for years the conspiring theory have been saying the moon missions must have been faked because you can't get to the van Allen belt without killing your astronauts and so now it's like, okay, well, here you go. Here's one more checkbox you can take away.

I mean, i'm sure those looks to be like this is all stage to come out. No winning. There's no arguing with. It's all it's all going to happen.

I mean, I I still think like we've seen like several um naseby sions that they are planning for mars to like they're more robot focus or more focused on, you know, things like that too. And the older I get and like that seem crazy. To be sending humans to space is, to be honest, like I do think we can accomplish more in robots, but I kill the dream. I don't want to be the bad guy. And international mars, stupid mars, marsten, if must, wants to go to mars.

because he really see you, please. You can go. He can go.

Shows pave the way, shows how mars is what they have. All these scenario.

Oh, they're going to terrify the planet to psychokinetics. yeah. Terraforming sure. You want to send a bunch of nukes to melt ice. Okay, that's fine. But remember, the planet has no magnetic field, which means any atmosphere that you make is going to slowly bleed away. And you have to live underground.

You have to live in underground to avoid the radiation, because there is no magnetic field that's gonna deflect high, high energy particles away from the surface. The surface itself right now is so permeated with poisonous Crystals that when they melt gonna die. Unless you have completely isolated a life support system.

Um it's far enough away from the sun that you're not going to get enough power through solar cells, typical solar cells, to do daily Operations. So anyone you send is gonna die almost immediately. But other than that, i'm sure to be fun.

Yeah, my sucks. fly. A great piece.

And defector, I think IT was this past week that was basically just like we're never gona colonize mars. And I still hold on to the dream, not out of anything rational, but just I think that would be great if we did, probably not definitely not in our lifetimes. But I do think that fundamentally, yeah, I think the future of spaces fight is gonna much more robotics. And IT is going to be very like .

robots to make colonize mars within a couple, I don't know, hundreds of years. It's gonna a chunk of time. But maybe maybe that could happen. But yeah, sending people there .

seems like a mission sense, more sense. And that actually could happen before I die.

Yeah, maybe to be something like maybe we will eventually get commercial flights that people can actually afford. I don't know that would be kind, kind dal um anything else post on guys.

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the mission. Dalling good, silly. The suits do look good, and I cannot deny the suits look like what I imagine like anima spaces would look like as I imagine them as a kid. So sure yeah i'll given that I kind of want .

to make my own pilar's done space suit um for the next next death con. I looks pretty cool. I mean.

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that's a good weasand. I just walk through rome because the air here is this smell so bad. You're gonna want your own life support.

Why wise as just from from what you have a city that .

this old with a significant homeless population, things don't smell great in the summer.

It's as in new york.

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There's a reason a lot of people leave in new york. Um but you know what? I still miss miss all those things. Um we have a fun section that is going to come up towards the end of this. I would love some pop culture stories from you guys but thank you both for dropping some stories in our dock here to and anything you put in something that I thought was really cool when I read IT from four four media. It's about right to repair for your body.

It's called um the rise of DIY rated medicine this historial about fourth is vinegar collective, the sort of like hacker group that is um hacking medicine at at like the basic level, both like um they've come up with software that can like sort of copy the the chemical pathways that um the official drugs can, but also have the tools to to make things themselves. This is fascinating and I do feel like more so than like trans humanity stuff where people are like going to be becoming part robot like this is the thing that will could potentially save lives, but also kind of dangerous to how you, how do you think about this? Something.

I think, party, actually.

with the scent. Okay, good.

Oh, no. I mean, I was just talking about I I been up. I, I went through her face where I was absolutely fascinated by everything. Crisp r know the the genetic editing tool you and I was, I and I was. I was fascinated by that. A the chinese doctor who actually use crisper on a baby to make them resistant to HIV, and was turned in jail for for many years. So IT, and he's out of jail .

now and he says he does a great.

He says he does not. So I yeah, i'm with you. I steam punk sii phi. We've all got the whole cyborg, a fixation because IT makes sense. It's kind of something that we think we can obtain right now with the technology that we have, but editing the body or provoking particular responses when we want them. Um that is amazing to me.

That's the stuff of size I that we can actually do now the fact that I can selectively turn on and off genes within my own biological makeup, I love that. I understand why we have a lot of caution built into that industry. I understand why we do things like tell doctors that they they cannot continue with research because there is such a huge potential of turning stuff on that will have extremely negative effects.

Um but but yeah, I think as technologies like crisper become accessible to honestly regular joes, just people with even a multiple of knowledge of how to use IT, it's gonna happen. It's it's not a question of if it's gonna happen. It's gonna happen IT. IT is becoming so easy to modify genetic makeup that within the next generation you're going to have people who are going to be a as interested in hacking the human genome as they are in hacking consoles ten years ago.

It's I mean, the potential is fascinating, but think if anybody has ever seen the enemy y series full middle alchemist things, think of bad, bad no .

yeah little.

little, little rock here there um I do you think this opens up entirely new like pathways and things are dangerous, but this packet c story is cool because they're just like pharmaceutical companies are charging way too much for things that are really, really cheap to make. And what if we just literally open source the code and gave you the way to build these tools, things that could save your life? Uh, their drugs are helpful to see. I think they were they we're talking about which cost thousands of dollars to take per day and um you just get IT done cheaply um the idea you .

won't having a glendoe er problem yeah I think that that you could turn on and off uh imagine okay, this is my dreams scenario. Someone develops a Christa technique that allows me to swap uh, the taste of sugar for the taste of salary. So now I think cell taste sweet. I mean, my goodness, I be heavy in a year. Well, I mean.

isn't that essentially what the the stuff like we go v and the new like weight lost rigs essentially just like reduce your appetite, reduced your ability or your desire to want things in that's immediately LED to. Um no IT leads to weight loss. IT leads to Better health effects.

I know there are potential side effects that people are worried about, and we need to see the long term effects of these things. But also like those drugs feel like miral drugs. And also, you know what doesn't support them in america, most health insurance companies, you know.

So you can go to a lot of sites and pay hundreds of dollars or buy them, you know, at full Price. But for the people, like for people who do not have access to those things are who can afford IT. Like these miracle tools are just like right, right there within their reach, and they're just so expensive. I see the potential here. And tally, like, as I saved by persons, is something you ve ever thought of this sort of idea of biohacking.

of course. Yeah, i've thought about IT. I think I mean, two things comes to mind. One is definitely like, I think in general, right, which is often very bad predicting effect on complex systems.

And and one of those complex systems is the earth environment, and the other is the human body. And so I would definitely do not want to be at the cutting edges of the stuff I can be way behind. But obviously the the um you know the the medication examples that you talk about team really compelling.

I also think about like you when when age was first during the eight epidemic. You know I think there are a lot of people who were sick, who were very much like fighting so that they could be trying all these experimental drugs in order. And they were like, listen, I don't know. Like, I understand that there is a huge risks here, but like, what if I got to lose? And so I think specifically in those situations where you know the other outcome is probably death, like by all means, like yeah like go to get access to everything that you can.

Why not that's when people right now are like very much like if you are facing terminal illness and there is a trial drug, a lot of people are desperate to exercise trials and potentially see if that helps, because what could you lose at that point? So truly fasting, this is a great piece. And do you want to shout out? Because I think four four, also four, four media been doing great work.

You know there a um yeah a cop media site uh run entirely on subscriptions and just really dick their stuff. And this is a great for up to like the sort of work this works we're doing over at motherboard, the yeah the vice side. So let's school. We've got a lot more news to dive in to, but let's head back to leo for another word from our sponsor.

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Deventer right. Thanks so much of Anthony potter. You both put in a lot of great stories first to discuss in this episode. D love you guys to shout out like whatever the ones that are most interesting to you right now.

I think for me, the the flappy bird, a contra .

black bird guy, yeah.

that's a good hit. Yeah.

that's a good hit. So this is a situation where there was this group called the flappy, calling itself the flappy bird foundation announced there is a new version of flappy bird coming soon and um but there are a little bit mysterious about they were and I to be fair, they never claimed that the original developer of a flappy bird was involved but just this morning then he posted, he said I have have nothing to do with this. I'm not involved.

I didn't sell anything because apparently what IT happens he trademarked flappy bird. But then some other company basically a couple years ago filed to have his trademark terminated because he had done anything with them for almost a decade. And so the people that he, when the fat paper foundation says, hey, bought the trademark to flappy bird, that what they mean is that they bought IT from this random mother company.

They took IT from him. And any also said, I hate cyp to because they're sort of, if you dig around not the public part, not the publicly linked to part of the websites, but by parts of the website you can find on google there's that in pages that reference cyp do so he said, oh, I also I hate crypto o and so I think it's very clear that he is not happy about this. And I think that you know, partly because they're obviously are so many flappy bird clones that came out when he took the game down. So like really the idea that this is the official lap game IT really just means that they bought the trademark that that's all IT means uh .

do like the the ultimate thing we've earn here that the five p word creator remains cool as hell not supporting cyphered so that sets cool that he took a step back because they just got so bad um that's just wild because I saw the trailer for the saying the announcement seemed really polished like we ve got the close lip birds back. We've got new characters. We've got all these modes.

We've got all these different things. IT seems like a really pollito mul put together game so I do wonder, yeah, I don't know, have we heard anything else met? Like what is up with this, the company or this version? I mean.

have they may have money. IT doesn't mean they have money. They just don't have the original developer involved.

which mean there is something so matter about a story, about a developer who created a legendary game that overnight became a phenomenon and Sparked almost its own genre, now not almost Sparked its own genre within gaming.

Who removed IT because he realized that what he had become in a capital system online was the worst, and he didn't want to expose the world to that, who then, years later, sees that this business online in a capitalist system is the worst. And IT just sort of reinforces the reason why he took the game done in the first place. I I want this guy to have all the monies I like we really, really do. But like you said, he's cool as hell and he did IT for the right reason and this cash grab just IT. Ah I think anyone who knows who who realized is this is what's happening would just hate this company into the ground.

So I do there are people just going to fully reject this. I don't know like how how evil is this company if they just bought the trademark? We don't know. There's like things we don't know. Um I in general also don't like supporting crypt do things but done when good, good luck to the sky like I hope he we have not heard from him in a very, very long time to for the first time since twenty seventeen was his tweet responding to ul of this whole controversy. So i'm sure he made the money from the origin of flappy bird but from what I remember to like the sort of abuse got from people um after the game became so successful like people were really sarky and to him and he just didn't want to be a part of that at all I was part of the reason he just kind of left so okay we will be keeping on plapper potty any of your stories you anna really shout out here.

I don't want the microsoft story just general because um this is something that um we spoke about a lot after the whole a crowd struck thing happened so uh you had microsoft to background that first happened was reminded the world that in two thousand and nine the eu.

Made them grant low level O S access to security vendors basically saying anything that a microsoft product would have access to a third party needs to have access to that directly allowed this to happen. So when crowd strike sent to back update to falcon IT was because I had access to a very low level of the Operating system that had about them to break so many systems around the world. So what microsoft was trying to do was to say, let's, let's remove that.

Let's remove that. And there was an immediate backlash, both from the the security community on the internet and even from twitter listeners who were say, no, no, no. Any third party vender needs to have this access IT doesn't matter if this happened this once.

This was a fluke. It's a trc tro. Microsoft seems to now be sort of striking a conciliatory ory note here. They're saying we want to remove low level access.

However, we're going to design security sensors, hooks into the O, S, so that third party security vendors can still scan what's happening with the O S. They can still prevent things from being changed that shouldn't be changed. However, they will never again be allowed to do what crowd strike.

Um this is still very early days and this is very early proposal. They can have an idea of how they are going to make this work. But I this is something i've been wanting for the longest time because apple has done this with their Operating system for generations.

Not right. And IT makes sense with an Operating system that has run on so many computers around the world to do this. Um am I crazy here?

Now I I think I totally agree. I mean, I can understand like White developers would want to continue have access uh, to this. But crop strike was a disaster, like one of those things.

It's like, oh, man, the internet, like our entire infrastructure ate now is like a really um hanging on a couple companies like my local starbucks. I couldn't take credit cards like a bunch of businesses. A walking around my town like infrastructures is dead because of this.

One company had a one hack. And IT affects a lot of things. So i'm sure microsoft is pissed. I saw that this this news came out of no press allowed security summer that was held this week that I have done heard much about two or no that's interesting um do want to hear more about what happened there.

Um I I I think like we ve we we joke about how a bug failed and how open and how like insecure windows is like IT to me taking out taking away this access just make sense, maybe give people hooks to to have more control there. Um obama, a developer currently not a security engineering or two. So I don't see the upside allowing that part. Like any thoughts or Anthony y like there's anything you've heard from your travels why microsoft would want allow this?

No, I mean, I just sorry I was going to say I uni, I also not developed or or security .

professional. And del, I understand i'm .

just in generate the philosophically that's that they have want to just give you know be the more open platform in a lot of ways. And and so if traditionally this is just something provided access to, like, oh yeah, maybe not like maybe there there more we realized now they're more downsides than there are upsides that that totally me makes sense to me that maybe they are make sense before maybe doesn't come clear, doesn't make sense anymore.

I can play devils advocate to my own position because as a developer, I would also say, wait a minute, you're making me trust that microsoft is gonna give me enough hooks into the system so that I can do what what I need to do to develop my xyz product back to be a very uncomfortable position for a security vender.

Especially since microsoft also make security products so they could argue, amit, microsoft giving their own products more access than we have. Their functionality is greater. I get that, I totally get that, and I understand that that's a concern.

And I get the fact that a lot of people don't trust microsoft toy. I'm on board. But to leave IT open like this IT is always struck me as something insane.

None of our systems here at the the korea and at the vatican were affected because we don't run third party software. We we actually trust microsoft systems plus we've got security gateways around our networks. That's the way that we've decided to do that because we don't like any software using those low level hooks mean nothing.

Nothing uses that on our network because we see IT as such A A, A massive security hole. So but but if I was a developer and microsoft said, trust me, we will always allow you to develop your software. I probably wouldn't trust them.

That's i'm sure like security software, people are just little a little worried about that.

And I get so if .

you didn't trust them, what would you do about IT?

So if if I didn't trust microsoft, what I would say is, look, the reason why we develop from microsoft in the first places because it's historically been an open platform. That's the reason why we didn't go for the apple. That's the reason why we don't develop for linux for for other other reasons. So if you're going na take that away from us, if you're going to make us just another APP developer on windows eleven, twelve, whatever it's going to be in the future, then we're not going to put our resources into this because we will never be able to develop products that should microsoft decide to enter the same market, we will never be able to compete with them. So I see that I get that a real concern.

Apple, apple has been certainly been guilty of that. You like think, look at apple browsers on IOS and ipad. O S, like, that's all.

You can only run the safari engine. Nobody, no other real browser can truly exist, and everything is slower than safari to like the native safari. So yeah, I see that argument too.

This is a sticky, sticky place for microsoft. But also, man, I can imagine their pace because crowd track is basically that is a black. I microsoft did not meat right now. What they're doing with so many other things in the .

way that I was IT was being pushed around the E. U. Is that this is a microsoft outage.

And I said, no, this microsoft has done some horrible, horrible stuff. And they ve released some incredible bugging software. This was not them. This was a third party that had abuse their low level access to the Operating system to break millions of computers around the world.

Anthony, you put in the story too, that was really interesting, because we've all seen mark seker burgs glow up over the last year. His a, he's free flowing hair, his gold chain. Hey, I feel like this guy has turned forty basically in his all of sudden gotten a personality, or at least learned how to have a personality.

And most recently in african, in a very, very long podcast, uh he was on, let me see what was the show acquired acquired is the show so a lot of these podcast are coming out and where i'm like I I okay, apparently this is a very big podcast that I don't really listen to very much. Um but he said he's not apologizing and he also expressed regret for apologizing for a facebook s mistakes over the last few years to and this to me does not seem like the life lesson that we really want Marks like work to take right now. But that is IT. That's what we're hearing .

because he's become a real boy yeah .

is a real boy.

Now I mean, yeah, I feel like there's there's so much to say, but I just like what is going on with my mark, I think a really .

good life coach, but also a lot of people who are to killing him. Don't worry, man, don't worry about all the damage you've done to democracy and everything else, the billions you've wasted on the metaverse and the thousands of jobs that your companies had to let go because of your decisions like, don't worry about a man. So here's the .

the charitable version or the best version of I think what he saying, which is that essentially that it's not that to say that he hasn't screwed up or the facebook flash meta hasn't screw up. I made not argue that becoming matter was a mistake itself, but what he's particularly talking about, I think, is like that kind of performance of apology.

The people just always want you to apologize and and IT doesn't necessarily have to do with like whether you're doing something wrong or something right. But just there are certain times and everyone's just sort of mad at you because it's easy to blame facebook when things go wrong. I think obviously hit that. A lot of that is tied to the twenty sixteen election in the sense that facebook misinformation on face but contributed to trump s Victory there.

I think you know there's still a lot of debate like clearly there was mister information like is is fair to say like that was that Donald trump came present because the facebook I would be not but so he's saying like lisa, and what when you apologize that all you're doing encouraging people to demand more apologies for you, right? And I don't think any of that is wrong. I think coming out and saying that you're not going to apologize again, particularly at this time when know I think there's so much concerned about technology and I think a lot of very justifiable concern about the effect of technology seems a little tone death.

I think that yeah like I don't think this is like either. I don't think this is a great prim of except for like with like really hard court, like tech road types, like the all in podcast friends like people who just like screw the woke, everything's too woke, like yes, that this is great, sort of like red meat for them but otherwise, if you really feel this way, maybe just apologized. But I don't know why you have to make a big deal out of IT. And in general, I think that it's probably a good thing if facebook feels like IT has to be accountable to the broader public.

Maybe stop doing the things that make you feel that you need to deliver those apologies in the first place.

IT sounds like someone close to to zuberi has been saying, oh, you've you've been apologizing. You've been apologizing. We like the people want and they don't they don't care.

They're not listening and it's like, look, look, I understand that you have few money, mark, but people haven't wanted apologies from you. People were never asking for apologies from you. People were asking you to listen to so that you don't have to apologize as as you were saying different that it's like, look, you've damage democracy.

You've damaged privacy. You wasted a lot of money on on profitable venues out of ego. Don't apologize for just listen.

You've got you've got a lot of smart people around you. You've got people who know the industry. Just take a clue every once in a while and everything will be fine. But ah it's this weird echo chAmber I think he's in that people are saying you got to let you be you and none of us are not saying that. None of us are saying that he can't be him.

None of us are saying that he can't wear hood isn't b who is? But we are saying you you are affecting the society in the world that we in which we live. And we would love for you to maybe listen to a little bit of of how you could do things differently.

Yeah, I didn't read read some books beyond like what the I goa, the silk valley brows are are dealing with her right now to it's also funny too, because this follows like him essentially apologizing for all the apologizing he did you know around like the centring COVID misinformation and stuff and like, I know this is really fit your new goal year year, once again apologizing and also see you apologizing for something that probably actually pretty helpful back when um there was a lot of this information going around something that potentially save lives um yeah the whole idea of neutrality this um it's so Milly mouths and so I have no spineless like the guy i'm sure he has a great life coach now probably great theri and who's just like helped him be free of all his pain and all his thing's idea and that's what we're seeing now. What were he's living his best life and .

also F S ccl and a drum circle yeah, yeah.

It's also interesting. This comes you like a week after that blog post that went by all the program did gramme the sound of White combinator about founder mode, which know kind of like A I sort of like founder mode means whatever you wanted to mean. But but I think was generally about this idea of founders should not um even when you are like running a giant public company, my airports, but even when you're running a giant public company, you don't necessarily need to be listening doors of people. You should like being founder mode, which again the shared interpretation is like don't just bring in a bunch of like MBA and and people who have run fortune hundred companies, like isn't to also like the lower level people at your company like listen to a variety sources, which I think again that there's a good version of the argument. But also IT seems like how IT really gets interpreted is just like be unapologetic, don't listen to anyone, do whatever you want cause you're the founder and if anyone has a problem with that of them.

it's basically it's not apologizing for the early facebook physics of move fast and break things basically right. There's like like after acknowledged that maybe facebook broke a few things for a while and like now i'm not going to say sorry for that um made me billions of dollars is great. This is great. Um yeah, no clue, no clue what was happening there with him. Um any other any of the other of these stories you guys really want to talk about?

H just just one because I think you'll be fun. Yeah, a group discussion and that's the the hyper mining .

record that was that is a big number.

Yeah ah so a guy of the name of wait curtis. Uh, he had A A brand new twenty twenty for prius l there's a cool looking prius.

the one cool card now yeah.

he went los Angeles to new york city. H, that's three thousand, two hundred and seventeen miles. And he had an average fuel efficiency of ninety three miles per calling. Now, sounds cool. Sounds good. Except for the fact that I dug down a little bit and I found some of the details of this trip, he drove the forty, which is the one that I just did, the sum I just drove three thousand miles in the forty for to my retreat, camping. And on the forty, he was doing sixty or fifty five in a place where people are typically driving between eighty and eighty five.

So he he was a other drivers in that super hazard. doctors.

In fact, I probably passed about some point because we were driving that road at the same time. Um so cool I I am all about hyper milling. I love it's like a game to me to see how high I can get that the meter I have a two thousand and fifteen previous and I get that thing when I go between 3Francesco and and lost vegas。

I do about fifty to fifty one monster gallon. Nice, uh, but i'm driving safe. I I am actually going quickly. It's just i'm not using the brakes. I am always making sure that i'm accelerating slowly. Do any of you drive view efficient vehicles? Or do you find IT fascinating to try to get that higher number?

I I do find fascine. I don't have an E Y. I have a sadly, I have a Normal gas gosler.

But when I do try out evs, it's like I do want see like I do want to like let the brakes ride for a wild regenerates in power. I see the game in IT, and I can't wait to let make that upgrade. Um i'd like the idea of IT for .

sure um I haven't owned a car for like his on yeah I live in new york city yeah but I but I had a press the last car I had was was a press and um yeah I mean, usually the best I could do was forty but this was like in two thousand and seven, two thousand eight, definitely. Now when I went a hybrid lake, I definitely start paying attention to the agency and being go yeah let's see what I can do.

I mean, I never heard the term hyper mile before today, but like, IT does feel like to be part of the engages. Like, wow, you can really game if I anything yes yes but if you're going to get that's cool, just can not like don't get because I definitely have many, many, many, many years ago goten into know very minor accidents because I was paying a little too much attention and what was going on to my dash word rather than what was actually inform me and so you know that's also a risk um but you know this is cool. I think this .

is a cool thing. Some of IT is fun, so when I cyber milling and turning off the ac in the heater. So I Normally tried to do this in the winter because I love cold, but I can't stand heat.

Um your things like again, when I drive between separates school new york, unless i'm getting off the free way, I never use the brake. I'm always using the general I plan my acceleration so that I take A I I drained the batteries. I'm coming up peal so that I have battery capacity to fill IT back up with a region on the way down. But then there's crazy hyper Millers who will get within like three feet of a tractor trailer in front of them to take advantage of the draft. Not drive you .

know you know drive responsibly, folks. You could drive efficiently, but also drive responsibly. Like, yeah, this guy going really, really slow. And the fast highway is not not the best thing.

Again, I was on that highway and I was doing eighty five and I was slow. What is the speed limit on my highway? H the speed limit center five. So ten over until you get to in alcohol they're serious.

Seventy five in seventy five if you go over seventy five they will take at you but um when I was doing eighty five for that thousand mile stretch um I was in public forty four, forty five miles grand. So wasn't that much of, I can't magine doing that stretch at fifty five. Not only would IT take longer, but you would pissed everybody off.

Um I would love that that footage of all that, just the part footage. Yeah.

make the my trucks are doing seventy five so you're causing a serious problem that you're doing fifty five.

Is that that sounds so enough to be ticketed, right? If you're going forty five, you'd be like, okay, you're you're really disrupting traffic.

But yeah, texas, you have to do sixty. If you're not doing at least sixty.

they'll take you OK.

But oklahoman and arizona, you can go down the fifty five that make sense.

I, well, yeah, thank you for shopping the story. Let's hear back from me, leo, for a final word for a responsbility.

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next week potty.

The story about a fake retro video game ring sounds absolutely. What can you help?

And yeah so um there's been a big craze for retro video games. This has been around for a while, in fact, on know how we made A A D I Y R K cabinet with with a retta al pie in IT very cool stuff. However, it's also a big money and anyone who has done the retrograde project knows that game developers really don't like IT when you steal their roms.

Um just to put on your own devices. So just a while ago there was a group of italian ritual video game pirates that were caught here in they had twelve thousand consoles that were all manufactured in china. They had forty seven million pirated games in in roms ah and all all told this was worth about forty seven and a half million eos well now yeah none of them, none of the devices met any tech or safety specks.

And I saw I saw a couple and they looked like they were just begging to set fires houses. So that that was that was pretty fun. But but but IT shows that there's a market here.

There's A A real market for for retro video game. So i'm wondering if it's is IT my generation now that's in the driving seat of collectibles. You know, we gone from stamps to recovering our childhood with some really bad eight bit games. Now.

I totally think so. I listen. I have A C, R, T. Sitting in my basement that I cannot wait to see my old, my old, you know, systems to, but also, I think like the Younger generation of gamers are interested in going back to the stuff and we can make them successful.

You know, like as a kid growing up in the nineties, in the late eighties, I was never interesting going back to the heyday of a tory, anything. But now you can draw a clear, yep, well, now I can. But also now I think kids can also draw clear a line between the hay day of like eight bit and sixteen bit gaming to a lot of stuff that we're seeing right now. You know, if you want, if you love hideo kojima games, you pray, want to go back and place in those early middle here games too. So like there is more that need to go back and revisit those things because our culture moves so quickly right now too.

Also as a similar generation, I I think he really does bring back that in the stock gy that I can play as mario brothers, I can play donkey gum, I can play dig dug a gallaga, and I can get the same kind of experience I had when I was a child. There's no big plot, there's no cinematics, there's no cut string. It's just me moving a joystick and trying to do something for the next five minutes. That kind of .

is is .

IT nestle gy, is that actually fun? Actually that's that's a good question.

Yeah you can be but I think yeah think .

what was going to say I guess part of the question one of the tales would be is that is all of the sales of classic, the classical intendo consoles and things like that, or or the people who I get the victims of ring the are they all like are our age or their Younger people and and yeah, I don't know. I mean, I will definitely say that I am acceptable to that too.

I one of the first things, the other reason I got my scheme dig, besides playing bolters three, was also because there are all these old tear games that I can play on my, on any of my apple devices, but I can played on A A steam deck. So I did that and I was really fun. I will say that those are declining games that I have a hard time imagining A A modern gamer really getting much out of.

And I I also remember with the super, the superintendent clastic, I love mario carmaking game time and going to play the original super mario R. I. I went back too far. This is real prime.

Yeah, i've done that too. I like, loaded up an old drum. Like, oh, gosh.

Sh, I remember this one when I was a kid. And I like, this was a bad game. This is a great, really bad game.

Or IT was good for its time, like virgin america. I played so much of that to you like on the superintendent o and it's hard to go back to. But also you look at the mario card that's on switch now like IT still plays very similarly. You don't still the same basic concept added more ims and step like the concepts of what made hit games just really locked in back then. Uh this could the photo in the story for this um for this thing SHE was three fighter two. I distinctly remember that moment where I that was like an eighty ninety dollar game in the nineties um I had to wait a while before my parents could get me that game but playing that which looked and felt arcade perfect like that was like a life changing and you look to fighting games today like, okay, they're not all to d but its a very similar formula to wet street fighter immortal combat tly down back lens i'm to saying most like a very important generation games eight bit and sixteen bit, sixteen bit in particular I think more sad than the atti stuff but I don't .

know poddy do you disagree? I I want a ROM of E T. For the atti twenty six hundred. I never been able to find that because i'm pretty sure that game is as bad as I remember.

Yeah that do you remember bus simulator? I know IT was literally a bus going from a Frances go to los Angeles to to last vegas. So IT was eight hours of driving a bus on .

a strap route.

I kind of want to find that just because I want to see how complicated the programme was. But I get your point. Yes, that was an important generation of games. IT was foundational to a lot of people who went on to create wonderful gift masterpieces. And again, that was in the time before games were expected to be narrative masterpieces um so yeah I guess it's it's important I will say that I know a couple of the guys at the italian version of the customs and border patrol and I was wondering, I like, so are you .

guys destroying all of these systems? Where are you keeping them? Don't know. You don't to burn down the vat.

I have to of those forty seven, i'm sure the roms, i'm sure the roms be easily found. You can do in primary. But also you know sometimes sometimes you get to do what you get to do.

Sixteen c games. Come on there. There were some great story telling there too.

I just really replyed chronic trigger with my daughter. And SHE loved IT. SHE loved IT. That was like her introduction, tropez. And I were like playing very similar things too. So I get that the whole generation laid out a whole, you know, basically so many things. That was the love.

I'd liked the turbo graphics because that was both the console and that was a portable. And you could swap the games between the two. I was cool. Remember the dream cast? The second dream test was actually .

exceptional oh actually and we are was IT as of monday. Monday was like the twenty fifty the anniversary the dream cast launch was nine, nine, ninety nine um yeah I mean, listen to easy taxi, which now our vice is a potential vice president is a is something that, uh, tim walls also really enjoy to but talk about like that was the transition to, like where are things were going?

This a shout out to dream cast that was the first council I could buy with my own money will always have a place in my hearts. Yeah, yeah. fancy. Start on mind.

Did you guys ever played that fancy? I've heard of that. I don't think I .

ve played that. IT was, you were playing a multiplayer, you know, cool enemy RPG over like a thirty three point six k modem. You know, IT seemed impossible in the late, how did the dream cast do that place season, too, did not have great networking stuff until very, very late.

You know, he really took, until the x box three, six arrived, to do really good network gaming. I don't know. I miss the dream cast.

right? I remember setting up a really low level pcs to play a castle wolf stein network, the land aging. And the first time we did that was just amazing.

We've never done anything like that work. Oh, because this is what all gaming should be like. And thirty years later, we got their .

events later when I was in college between o one and no five. So this is prex box three sixty. But the original X X was there. I had a internet poor. And we all quickly learn if you plug that thing into the school network, um they all shows up as if they're the same land. So we were able to play original halo dorm to dorm and like would have like epic shoot outs and campaigns and safety and like that. That sold the .

concept to me is that was back when network security was a strongly worded letter from the don't do that.

do that. Don't do that. We all came up with ways yeah to get around the I T. Departments, you know bitcoin blocking and what is IT back in audio galaxy. All those things see.

we didn't have been torn when I was in college. We had um uh the U U net. So you'd have to use golfer to get files that had been encoded in the asi files and turn back in the binaries.

So yeah, I was different. We didn't have the right. I did not exist, was harder.

though.

when you got IT to work. There was so much more fun.

Oh, man, oh, man. array. I think it's a good time to jump into our pop culture corner. I went to shut out something that I have been watching that I did not expect to even enjoy. But my daughter, we were um bounding around this plus and my daughter saw this I saw this. I don't know the cover the cover art for lego star wars rebuild the galaxy, which I have .

see that for weeks. Is that any good? Should I watch IT?

It's a lot of fun. I think it's more fun if you have a kid that you're watching IT with two look, I think all the lego ourself has been like generally enjoyable. This one is kind of interesting because visual um they i've confirmed this is confirmed that this is the first official al story after the end of the ray story line.

So this is cannon. This is cannon. IT is cannon.

But it's also like it's a lago thing. So they also do a thing that I don't think the like action movies can ever do, which is completely rework the universe so within the first episode, the all the characters we know the entire history showers is completely flipped on its ted in really fund ways um the image that they show a lot uh there is a dark charger. All the good characters are bad guys in really fun ways. You like dark art is not a very successful safe um but he does exist my daughter think start gorda is hilarious. So you know dr.

Georgia actually goes back to the release of the of the prequel yes, like that was an actual theory that though he was a real power bind at all.

this series does do IT does like bring in of that, like deeper law too. Like first. Well, IT completely recaps the original trilogy, the prequel and the sequel. Trilogy is like, one minute is like, there is is ani I walk you, I got IT.

So if you are worried about your kid, if you want your kid to be pure and not know the whole thirty three two story, i'm sorry, like that's going to be a hard thing to do. Also, I don't know when I can show my daughter original star wars, because that is as much as I love that movie. It's a slow movie. IT is so slow compared to things the kids are used you today.

But anyway, I I did a we watch of the original series in the prequel and the seek al trilogy and I I noticed that that um I was more engaged with the original series because the both the prequel in the equal there in the modern storytelling uh format, which is very quick, cuts lots of .

different care. I don't know if there's anything modern we can say about vana minutes I did recently. We watch that in theatres and I wrote about they engage IT. I think I have more respect for that movie than I ever did certain ly after like the ones lot of really crappy MC you stuff we've gotten lately. So I I think I have a lot of respect for that movie, for the craft of IT and for the design in that movie.

But yeah, the original films are just like that's really that's seventies for make know that is people took their time is very deliberate passing things are not like that anymore. So anyway, this kids show introduces new characters. Um in fact there is uh there is a new sit lord called dev.

So I I I love that. That's kind of fun. Dev, dev, just like just like the beginning of my name, basically. But there are lot like deep cuts here too.

Like they just that guy in a in the last judi who like licks the dirt in the sult world. I think who would do that? He's back.

But there's a cut to in this reconfigured university looks IT pepper funy. And only only like star wars nerds who were like, H, I remember that guy who would lick the dirt. And then, okay, it's a funny joke.

I think it's funny. I think like this is a very good traditional star wars show. And my daughter was totally into IT.

I tried to get her into the various clone war shows and SHE just would not have IT. And there were those things are really plot heavy, like you're not really fun. IT takes a while for those shows to get really good where this is, like instantly entertaining there.

A lot of in characters and IT does things I don't think the live action stars will ever be brave enough to do is just be like what the universes flip now. And we're never going back to the old way. So I think as long as IT has salacious chrome.

I mean.

I believe IT does a salacious crime. Let IT listen. Darth matter is a is part of the rebels now, you know, property is part of the rebels.

Dth vata is in White. okay. So there's a lot of fun.

They do lot of fun reworking. There's a dark ray. There's a dark like a lot of good guys are bad. A lot of bad guys are good. Um it's it's fun. It's Better if you have kids and you just want to introduce them in the door and you don't want to be like very precious about the plot, everything because the kids will know who earth bator is likely talk to each other at school. Uh, my son, he went to daycare when he was like one and a half, and by the age of two he he knew the narita run.

Never show him not to kids just know the order to run because they all see to doing IT that how culture gets you know gets a Young kids are doing that they don't know what is from a maybe maybe they saw their older, like maybe they're watching another, but I don't know what who's watching our two, one and a half, but they probably see their older selves do IT. It's like a thing that has required through time. So the narrator, ninja an, is the thing my son does now.

I've never, i've never confronted him with narrow. I never given him narita anyway. Um anthonis this sound like a show you'd be into checking .

out IT sounds like sure that i'm glad exists and probably never watch. I just don't need that much more star wars content in my life. I am i'm waiting for and or i'm excited for that ah that I think I think i'm good if I if I ever have kids, i'll keep that in the back pocket.

If if you I mean if you you know is using like .

a that's a way that's .

way to do IT are you .

guys pro or um against the accurate because I love the acid. And I think what happened with the reviews for that.

we're just kind of wild to me. I have not watched IT at all. It's not because I don't like IT, but because i'm waiting to be. I need a chunk e time where I can watch the old thing and I think that's .

probably the way to do like I think I was Lucy enough to see the screener. So I saw like the whole thing or no, I didn't see this. So I saw the first four episodes and by the time I was done with that was like, oh my god, this is like the best toward we've got ten in the very long time because it's essentially star wars through the, through the lens of crowing ing tiger, hidden dragon, which are things I love.

I love catching, like literally direct references to crouching tiger, hand drag. And so that, yes, set me up for all of that. And I kind of love work goes with the villain and with the just with the adventure of at all. Um but yeah, the reviews in the actual response from a lot of people were just like people really picking holes in the plot and like I said, why i'm watching you really .

that's the toxic star was found dom IT was first and there .

are good nature reviewers who are doing IT to and I was just like, I don't necessarily need everything to click together but that's just me. I highly recommend stories accolate. I'm sure people listening to this strongly disagree but I think accolate kicked as um anything did you see .

that I so I wanted to like IT because I very much as like, wow, IT seemed like the worst people in the world hate this. And I also just love the work of lesly headland. And I watched the first episode that opening action seem really good.

The rest of IT was kind of boring. And I wasn't that I like made in an active decision to stop watching. It's just every time I was like, maybe i'll watch another episode, the act like there was something that seemed more pricing and more interesting and something ago. I guess i'm probably not finishing the accurate.

It's constructed like a urd myself if if you are not interested in like the core thing that's trying to to deal with, like I can understand that, but i'd recommend watching, especially for fans of the good place. I think there are many things to enjoy watching the outlet.

I stepped away from the mega studios for a bit, so in the disney staff, from the moral staff, uh, because I I kind of wanted to see some original IP. And the one i've picked up on now is called mr. In between.

It's an australian series that's available on and therefore ign disney. It's phenomenal. It's probably the tides crime slash dramas, lash black comedy series i've ever seen probably will put together. Another one that I saw was, have you ever seen letter Kenny?

Yeah, letter Candy.

And so now watching shorts y which is the spin off from letter Candy. Um again, these are original. I pees. I think they're incredibly well ridden, incredibly well, especially letter Kenny, the riding the dialogue is alaric.

So like, super fast. You were letter Cindy like just like you permanent in that show was amazing, right? Anything you wanna shed out this week?

And um well, I was going to say that know I think a lot of the AMC shows got added to netflix in the last month. So I mean, I think mostly just the first season. So I finally saw the first season of the terror, and that is the best things i've ever seen.

The terror T E R R O R. It's a hard word of her notes. But so it's like, I think what has becomes like a historical and Dolores show. But the first season, it's based on a dance's novel and uh the concept is there were this this real expedition to find the the northwest passage in the first half of the eighteen hundred and there are two ships, the terror and the arabas. I don't know why you call your ships.

What would you?

And they busy went, and they and they disappeared. And so this is a fictional attempt to explain what happened to them. And IT is an incredibly bleak show because, I mean, you kind of know that almost everyone is gona die, but it's also like just really beautiful and moving and you just want really, really bleak.

Well done or it's great. IT has shared hairs. One of my actors, and yeah, I think, like the production know, I feel like they had the money they needed. You can sometimes tell that they are filming on, you know, is that not actually out there? But like overall, it's one of my fave things i've seen highly, highly recommend.

I typically subscribed a netflix one month out of the year and then watch everything, and then stopped for the next eleven months, one that I really wanted to watch on netflix because I love the book, uh, was, is the three body problem if .

you and watch .

the adaptation?

I was not a few, but I know people who do like the show.

I think got off to a rough start because it's just trying to introduce so many different characters, which I mean only because if you go back to to game of phones like that, first I think is also pretty gh because you just like here, here's a person.

here's a person. Here's really like and I was fully get that feeling to me. Yeah.

OK IT took me a while again into that show too. I mean, I think, I think year three body is even rougher. But what? Sorry.

did you read the book before you?

Yeah, yeah. I read the books.

OK.

I D, I read the first book when I came out, and then I didn't read the sequel until, like several many years later, OK people have known if you ve got to read the whole series, which if you, having read the books, read the whole, don't just read the first one. But like the the thing was, I remembered everything that having book two, three, I didn't remember book one that well, like the really big step so there's things that I was like, wow, they introduced this into the show and then I turned out, no, actually that's from the book. I just forgotten that happened in the .

book and also want to see you go that I saw on youtube. Um the people who have watch IT to listen the book know what i'm talking about. I'm not going to spot for anybody .

else but is IT particularly violent .

and rim is extremely violent and gruesome. One in the book, IT is not violent and gruesome. IT just exit details what happens on the outside of, yes, because you don't see what .

IT happens and see what .

happens in this site. And I know that in in the series they did. And I I actually think that was way Better, was way Better. So way to do than what I read. I I think .

there's more I saw half of the netflix series and it's more I think a really breaks the characters down a lot like IT changes a lot of characters also basically a group of Young, pretty people to take the place of like a lot the main characters relevant. It's just like a made for these business guy, right? For allow the chunk of the first book too. So like he's not super interesting but also IT IT didn't quite work for me. I saw that benedight .

wong was a member of the cast. He's got to be the chinese policeman, right?

He does.

You d wish he had a person out and he's very good. When I read that book.

he's the piece the person I had in that's that's been IT wrong.

Yeah, that is that IT all felt forced me. But I know people who like the show. So there is that I just I didn't quite work for me. Do you just want to talk at all? There is one story somebody put about hot ones come in netflix kind of fits within the pop cultural section.

I love hot ones. I love at a great format at really.

I think shine Evans is a great interview or two.

It's such like unlikely the story, we're like that when something describes that he will. Obviously, this is a but then I like, by the way, I only link to my own story just because .

the the bloomberg, which I just want .

giving them, I would not Normally do this.

But yeah.

I think hot one is great. I think the other thing that's interesting about that, I mean, from a netflix perspective is obviously they've like tried on and off to like crack the talk show format. And I mean, I love the john milli everybody's line show, but you know who knows if that's coming back? So like this could be another way to try to approach that.

And from the bus from the poor suckers in the media business perspective, like it's interesting to see like how hot ones is kind of like the most valuable thing that bus beat has at this point. And it's this weird sort of like tail wagging the dog where I think they have a lot of debt. And so they're just trying to like monitor like I think they were trying to sell off hot ones and the homes could basically pay off their dad for a little while. And now I think the Price, just like, how can we monitise this thing? Because like other stuff, is not going so great.

propose? no.

I mean, IT was organic content that honestly, when I first heard about the concept, I thought that's a stupid dist thing i've ever heard. Why would you give you guess hot saw and are going to be uncomfortable to not could be Better. And then my sister was the one who said, no, watch, watch three episodes with me. So I I was with her. And at the home and freemont, we watched the episodes and I said, I get IT yeah I this is this is kind of cool.

This IT breaks through the traditional like media interview for a night where like, people are very rehearsal in everything .

and like just this actually good questions. He's a good .

because you been and I have both have been on like those like junkets with like film actors and know through no one's fault. T I think like a lot of his time is just very rehearsed like been asked a similar question, you know hate being there too.

So that's always plan.

Yeah five minutes and out.

So yeah and it's just it's like it's just like even thing the thing worse than asking this question is like trying to be crazy and you ask anything like crazy and there's just like this is a stupid question like what you know .

people play games. People will play like games with the talent to you like in their prosecution and that is queen to another level to you but ah how once is like yeah against all that very good. So the story is like potentially potential that flix is considering some sort of like hot some good life show with them.

Yeah, they would basically be like specially like this wouldn't necessarily affect the youtube show because, you know obviously, we've seen that when people try to take youtube content and behind a pay wall like their distinctions are not very happy. But this is like a special live episode, des, also hosted by shana and on netflix.

I would pay money for the next, well, next presidential debate if they were both on hot ones. I was the modern a hundred person, and you're just trying .

to kill somebody here but I do think like outside of outside the debate pan idea, how should absolutely do come here .

with you?

No question.

Just be a lot of yeah see.

we're coming up with all these great ideas actually. okay. My favorite episode of hot ones though was the one with golden ramsay. Really, that was spectacle.

was I was self. But I think the best one was like, you get to leave IT up to corner brian, who in the midi was launching his travel show. Yeah, he is such a genius at this, because he basically deconstructed the hot one formula, because he's so smart this he just know he knows the spectacle he wants to make.

And like mix IT, his own playing in the I love component so much. I love that. Like despite not having a late night show anymore, like he is just doing his own thing, doing podcast, but also doing travel shows and like just being as brilliant as he was when I fell love with him watching the simpson.

So yeah, love, awesome. Well, I think I think that's a rap for this episode. Guys, where can we find you on the internet these days?

Ah so I am the weekend editor, a tech rung um so tech rch dot com. You can you know if you're on there on saturday or Sunny, your Price something i've written and also at anthy hw across many social networks and Price most active on instagram and blue sky.

And you're doing the podcast two right?

Oh, the right. I use of a podcast called IT, extremely irregular or podcast called the original content when we review new streaming shows and movies.

Love uh, so you can find me here in the word that I do in rome. Uh, probably all my twitter feed would be the best bet, which is still at para. S. J. I promise, leo, I would write twitter into the ground.

I think we're very close, but the project that working right now is called the jazz te pilgrimage jp, and it's it's in my lower third, uh, basically is just something that we we developed in our spare time and it's actually turning into something pretty decent. Uh, originally was just of us to describe the pilgrimage of stagnation ist to rome, but now we're sort of including things from around the world. A i've also over the summer, because I got bored, I publish two books. Oh I going to give you the title or the numb the plum that I I used that two different num um they both sides I and if you find IT on on amazon, you will know it's me because there are references to wait .

in front of them.

We are there any clues to .

help people find IT? wow. One involves space travel. One involves time travel.

Let us know when you get your next, let us know when you get your network seal potter I like you and you guys can find me i'm active venter on twitter blue sky master on all the fun place on threads. You don't pick me on threats um I write about take and gadget I pocket about movies at um the film cast at the film cast com.

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