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This is to IT this week in tech, episode nine hundred ninety eight, recorded sunday, september twenty second twenty twenty four, artisan, locally sourced depine.

Hello, everybody, is time for twit this week in tech, the show where we get together, talk about the week's tech news. I want to thank to vender a harder war and the anthon son for filling in for me while I was on vacation. But i'm back and with a newly redesigned logo behind me, and no longer is that my halo.

Now I just look like I was to be streaming video games on twitch. But you know what? We get Better frame rate thanks to the rg b. So that's what really matters is fps, I am told.

are we sure that that logo is not actually secretly .

sky and alive? That looks like how nine thousands light bulb that is bed par are? AI expert gu, the author of the AI analyst's rights about AI for the information, is actually also a founder of octave AI. His are AI gou. Hi ben.

I don't know if our gu is always right, good, but I will take IT if your word is not mine.

I'm going to call you a gu and i'm going to call you mrs. Part now because you're married. Second, no, that's wrong.

That's a whole different announcement. I am married. IT is great since April. She's .

wonderful to super smart, really cool person. So we said congratulations last time you are on, but i'll see you again. It's go and well also with this, mister rob, but goro great to have you IT used to say, W S H. On your t shirt, but they took the a out.

This is the the washing to nationals, their city connect, uh, jersey design. But they played of the Cherry blossoms. I love IT. Yeah, yeah. This things for Better city connectors used .

in m very nice. Rob, what do you do in these days? What do you do in .

these expensive technology? For my go declines remain PC mag and fast company. Or I ve got bunch of things at both those places in recent weeks. nice. And and I so relaxing out off on my own blog.

yeah, I was gna give you a chance to plug your big news letter, but I do. You have one of them yet, like everybody else.

I got a patron page that it's my fun, little Sandy to play.

Yeah, and you have kept, and I only noticed this because I just recently throw my out your tree of baddies, your badge tree from all of the conference is an events. Mine was almost as big as that. And I just .

little days throughout.

Yeah, I finally said, you know, what do I save one? Do I save in this to prove to myself that I got to go to ce in one thousand nine hundred and ninety eight? I don't think I need that anymore. It's a cry.

I wasn't C. S. In nineteen nine. Yeah.

I know we are still have that bed. I did. I found IT.

You don't want to know what I was doing in one thousand nine hundred and ninety eight.

Were you smoking in the boys room?

Um I was in five eighth .

grade. Yeah.

no fourth grade.

No th grade. stop. IT just go away now.

Ben par, also with this, somebody closer to my age. Thank god. mr. I was Linda of lobo, zero zero nine zero media and and the spiritual father of this atic studio. So thank you for your kind advice.

I I love watching IT evolved, but much darker. Now in the last time.

I yeah that my choice, I was gone for a couple of weeks and and they came in, they did stuff. We did paint IT. Because if we had a White wall, which was bad, that was bad. And then then then this was the White medan behind me we paying that and now it's neon but there's it's the with the light they moved any .

little highlights on the tweet in the yeah I .

know those are too dim I know i've .

been saying that I know like .

spotlight ts on them we're onna fine tune yeah I have more power lights that anybody should have to you anyway.

how big source is? Well, I do .

what you said, which is put a big balloon over my devi here.

I just made that. I just made a huge um I literally took emt rail and maker pipe and made a five by three and puts .

lights behind his ten if you ever shown you actually in a in a in a quit tent.

it's actually outside it's it's all quilted together. Yeah no, I have a lot like i'm get ready to read do IT.

So basically in an age is what you're living at IT .

is it's a year i'll all adit it's a year was a very high tear though I know most year don't have as much gear in.

But so I have a new idea which as we we had to do a twit inside of a sa and to see how log we can go at full crank.

Yeah, you're .

supposed to be new in assa .

so that from the store .

for the ratings.

that is not going make the work.

So I never get a good readings.

Did you buy the new iphone? Anybody did you run out and get? This is supposed to be desert titanium. Is that what that .

looks like to you? IT looks nice, but I don't know.

It's as lesa as she's as pink, I don't know. But here's the funny take like .

a sand blast here and just blast IT was sand for like ten minutes like he isn't dune.

And see, this is last year's iphone. This is this year's iphone. If I do this, I defy you to figure out which is which. The only way you can kind of tell is this little new button on the iphone side, the camera control button, which is kind of I think it's going to bedevil people because you have to light, present and hard press and it's just got different. It's you know, weird little, I think for that is I .

do think that IT will be a little hard for people at first. I do think apple is definitely going all in on the is a camera is a camera that you can call go on. And I know a lot.

I didn't I haven't upgraded yet. Um I admit that I I looked at the camera upgrade and I was like if I had a fourteen, I would definitely jump to a sixteen. But at fifteen pro user, I was like, I I I don't know the embargo on reviews .

dropped on wednesday and you know you get your usual it's apples get the point where there is not much to say. The hardest st thing with this one is the way they're pushing. And I was just watching the nfl today ah the football games in the united states and on the ads yeah apples got all these ads for apple intelligence which is not yet available .

right .

they're selling this phone based on something that doesn't IT doesn't do yet. And by the way, the only reason this phone is needed for apple intel gent is because IT has eight gigs of RAM instead of six. I feel like that's a little bit of IT band switch is at a .

fair term baton slow switch, it's going to arrive.

But maybe I think this could even next. Mean, I think that .

the issue is, is, is that number one is that the I still think I know people talk about apple intelligence with apple, but I still think that the primary thing they're buying is the camera, and they're all waiting to see what the camera is.

The camera is not a big upgrade from the last one I was the last one was a giant IT felt like you jump to three years forward and now then this one is that tiktok that apple does, which is that there was a big jump last last uh iphone. This one is incremental. Um and and I don't think that in maybe apple thinks maybe marketing obviously thinks that apple intelligence this is important.

I just don't think it's that big of a the offer for apple, you know iphone users because I mean, we have ChatGPT. We've got made journey, we've got a clod. We've got all these things that are running on our phones, and we're not really like it's like, okay, well, I mean, sure, but I don't it's not like i'm counting the days for apple intelligence to share up when IT shows up. I'm sure to make things incremental more convenient, but I don't really care yet.

Yeah, I guess that's kind of the bottom line. Uh, is even when IT has come, it's not I make a huge change show who is a professional photographer in our actually I know of your project. You're just a very good photographer in our club to IT discord. He was a guy who let her a photo walk in new york city two weeks ago. So much fun, says he. He thinks this new phone is actually does even more processing, is even more over processed, says good luck getting a shadow in an an image because the phone, which is probably the case that proves want shadows and the rest of us just want to see everything in the shot.

right? And I hate one of the chAllenges to go back to apple intelligence is is that the uh that the images that they showed that c looked turkey like. So I I I have to admit that someone who does a lot of AI images, I you know, when I saw what apple was generating because they wanted to be safe and they wanted to look like IT, was obviously generated with A I whatever, I was super uncompressed.

So so I was just kind of like, well, I don't care when the the intelligence shows up far as the images ago, I said I don't. I I have to look at the sixteen. I ve been taken the sixteen out on the fifteen. I mean, I just like i'm shooting the best images I shot. I mean, I still have you take A S L A out, you going to get Better images but yeah you know was hiking yesterday with my daughter and walking .

around lld in .

park and and bert monroy the great and yeah so but you I just love that camera, I have to admit, you know, have gotten really good at the point five, put the face right in the center and then you get this entire scene and IT doesn't look distorted and and I just take pictures of that all the time. And so I just, I I have to admit that I really enjoyed at the camera. And I I take the S, L, R. Up, but then I put IT back in, go doesn't G, P, doesn't to rome later, and just end up just shooting everything with my phone. Now it's unna because I brought.

of course, I brought my phone, but I also brought to like us with me on vacation. And most the best shots are from the phone in pair to say, from the phone. So maybe I should just bring the phone with me, but I don't want to turn this to a mac break weekly. You talk a lot about IT on tuesday. We'll talk more about IT this tuesday with James snow and eight oco and alex, that's .

interesting. This is the week that came out. Yes, there's like this is a larger trend. I'm saying there's interesting um and painful trend of the big tech companies announcing A I functionality and is not coming up for a months or if at all.

I was thinking about this today because like I had to like do something with a presentation and like didn't google announce like last year the ability to like make slides with A I and talk to IT and that wasn't that like in a video. And that still doesn't exist. You can make images in google slides, but you can't like make entire slide decks and .

is a larger google problem really. It's possible to know what google can do because they announce stuff.

It's all of the big tech ones apples having this problem to with intelligence and you're even you're seeing and out to even with open the eye and like not seeing like the new advanced voice stuff. And some of IT is legal. Some of IT is technology. Some of IT is something else.

This thing as you you A I X burtt in Robin and else you can wait in as well. But is do you feel like we're on we're still on pace with the AI. We're still going to grow at th Epace w e've b een g rowing i n t he i s a round t he c orner a nd s am a ltman i s g oing t o b e g od a.

nd a ll t hat s tuff o r I d on't t.

hink I h aven't y et w atched t he O pera s how. The Opera show is sam altman. I have IT on my dvr. I will watch IT on september thirteen, a couple of fridays ago. Brad, sam altman, markets broadly, a budgets of people explain AI to the real people.

Look, we are seeing, you know, the stuff stuff under the radar. The rather like the new open eye model and it's reasoning you can actually see it's reason is quite amazing actually. Uh, the hard problem is less the technology's pace and more habit change and habit in people's lives and making IT in a way that super accessible. This is why I was super and still am super just in apple intelligence. Although the way like .

hurts pitched IT ah I like how they pitched IT. But it's not just the weight, it's also the proof .

is in the putting. Apple is the one where when they put something out to market, usually there's wider adoption in, I hope had been that when apple put out intelligence, IT would Spark wider adoption and use of vi because it's like built into the device that you use everyday, but it's a slow roll out.

And who knows? Now maybe I will still get a wider adoption, but you there probably there's less excitement that there was when they first announced things. Crew will be in the putting. Apple is often the one that makes certain things bore remains stream when they released them.

And AI needs a little bit of that because if you're really using some of the general isself, you can be super, super productive and the some super cool things happening with stuff like her, my co founder. It's just like coating all sorts of entire apps in the span of like a couple of hours and you couldn't do that before. But a lot of the way that A I impacts as now is more behind the scenes after being built faster. Unless you have access new technologies faster, it's less than like, hey, suddenly there's an AI that you can just chat with and it's your best friend and IT knows all of your like problems and I can solve all your problems and do your dishes you know we're not yet at the AI does your dishes, which I think is what a lot of people .

actually want .

yeah what's not .

you don't want the AI to do dishes for you. Honestly.

of all the demos i've seen of I, the one thing we actually think this would solve a problem I have is having an A. I look at the contents of my x and makes 什么 sense of IT。 So see, yes, I would like to be able to have, ask apple or google, look at all the C, S, P, R pictures.

Tell me, what are my best options for tuesday? You know, what are my evening opportunities for wednesday, such that I don't have to pay for dinner, read a lot of stuff, so I don't have to? That would be useful. I don't need an eye to write for me. Maybe, you know.

take a look that already exists. It's just not really as accessible as IT should be. If you use so something like superhuman, they have superhuman AI. You can just like ask the questions of your entire impact. I can do something I got not quite enough yet, but it's there.

Ironically, that's what apple is advertising on the nfl today is I can look through your email and tell you what happened and all it's not again, we just got to take their word for because .

it's not out yet is just solve a too much data problem for me. Yeah.

I don't think that .

sends more stuff in the world.

I don't want to turn this into an apple show because we have to talk about this break weekly.

And I think from a general A I you know conversation is that I just amazed at how my wife and my kids and other people are using chat P T all the time.

just surge or conversation, you know.

the variety of things. You know my uh my wife you know got a new job and they asked her to write her own her own um uh job description and SHE just work to adjust to be 这个 image made adjustments to I like you said， okay, might write me a job description. I want these things and I I know I use that like, I hate cover letters and you get these R P, these request for proposals or whatever.

And I hate that page doesn't like no one reads this. IT doesn't matter, but he has to look good and has everything has to be spelled well, they're like looking for spelling some like write me a cover letter that has to have this, this, this, this and this to this address, whatever. And boom there, the cover letter IT perfect.

Like, it's like, Better than I would write IT. And then i'm like, okay, the important things are here's so much going to cost and here's was going to do and I do those things. But having to do the things that I just find to be tedious, I find to be very um you very useful.

I have a lot of my meals now. I have chat you between making my makeup stuff all the time. I like I I want to make a meal at a last all week and and to make IT on sunday.

I don't want to take more than thirty minutes to make and needs this last in the fridge. And IT gives me something to to make. Can I make IT? And it's great.

IT IT works well. I found that the secret of ChatGPT is U R. A chef, uh, for a three star mission in, uh, you know, restaurant in this country. Uh whatever that whatever kind of food I want um make me a decent version of this and you get something that's amazing you know, out of IT you know and and so again, telling when you get I think this gets back into what was disgust earlier which is that you know you do have to understand how the system works.

But if you understand, if I give you a source, uh an Operation in a target um inside of an A I solution, I mean to get a pretty good solution out of IT you and and I think that those are the things that um that I think apple can make easier. But I think that again, a lot of these a lot of us aren't waiting for these things because we're using them all day, every day. I mean, I have ChatGPT in the journey open almost the whole day. Um I find me just interesting .

because you have a particular use case and everybody has their own like the apple watch, every has their own kind of way. They want to use .

IT yeah but I use IT for stuff like I was doing something to resolve. I had to export. I had to have surrounds sound going out of resolve through into a my case .

and no but but i'm saying unique to .

you l it's but it's like menu and but I man.

i'm having to do food. No, i'm having IT.

It's very using, yeah I brain storm and like was somebody I said and I said, hey, how many if you took all the government land and gave an evenly divided among the entire population of the united states, how many acres would everybody get? You know, fifteen seconds later it's like two pots.

two thousand. I might point out that that could have been hidden. Sly, incorrect answer you have.

I did the .

math and less so now I did.

The man, that was wrong enough .

that if you were relied on IT, you might be making a big mistake. I wonder that I would say.

leo, it's this is one part where the AI is getting Better, Better. The reason reasoning model is really quite good at math and quite good at their sixth. It's you know IT still makes like mistakes every once in a grand while. But we are getting to the point where you are going to two years and a year, you're going to be able trust IT and is not going to make that.

So OpenAI is claiming that strawberry, which is its new model, actually is Better than a graduate student. What was the the grad school test or whatever yeah yeah g or whatever .

that I can't remember the benchmark .

they were using but IT actually quite impressive the eighty five percent correct uh what .

I mean I and again I I search I search a lot of things on google um and I don't I find that the stuff that has put on people's websites about a certain subject is about as accurate as chat P T.

So so well that human is want more than anything right?

So if I ask B A.

rob sun, is that your son .

who keeps coming in? We close the door even.

but I, as rob or his son, how many acres of land in the united states per person? They might .

be wildly wrong. Yeah.

the truth is because that comes from my computer. This is what timea Gabriel and the Margaret mitchin and others were talking about. There's to cash is paper because IT comes from a computer.

You give IT more gravity, more you will must be true, you know. Well, from alpha, the question, and I came up with an answer I would trust. Well, from alpha, i'm not sure I wanted trust that GPT. Even now I don't reasoning.

I don't even trust myself on some of those answers. You know, I is a good idea, like it's always trust, but verify when your brains, what I find A I to be extremely good at is brainstorm. I I wanted to think about things.

It's not i'm not going to set a trajectory from my rocket to land on the moon based on IT, but i'm thinking about thinking about something and give me some ideas related to this or I have some you know crazy idea which I have often um and I would like to unite, like to explore that idea and then then i'm going to go through and do more research on IT. But I think that it's you know I think that for the things that I use IT for, it's incredibly uh, not only effective but fun. You know like I think for both of those.

we have a lot more to talk about with this is A I that we do rely on for our like rocket trajectories, but it's just not the AI that we're talking about right now because we've just got to remember general is like one tiny portion of the entire AI sphere and there's a budget machine learning and stuff that has nothing to do generates that is fantastic for figuring out uh, trajectory of real time for rockets, for example.

Um this is just it's interesting how much the when we say A I, A lot of people to think, oh generate A I first is like all the others I wouldn't trust get IT of a eye and do the rocky ject oris either. That's not once built for the thing that's missing is like the one A I that has access to all the other ais so that I can do these different types of computations and different kinds of things, just like how humans have different types of brains. Part of the brain for human emotion, a part of the brain for logic and reasoning.

That's what's missing. Like each of these ais that we talk about, like one eighth of the puzzle, right? Like we are not yet at the one where a chat P T S just messed you back and being like, although they're was some rumors, I don't know if you saw this week of like chat pretty messaging people are on the blue and being like how are you doing? I just wanted to check up on you. There was apparently happened a couple of times.

No, no, I get to bunk. Well.

then there we go. Thank you for that. I want that. I do want that. That's when the ais actually like feels like a thing you can talk back.

And so how was your school day today, mark? A, there were a number of posts. I think I read IT and elsewhere about ChatGPT doing that.

Uh, according IT might be a bug, but according to OpenAI, it's fixed. That issue here is for futurism. OpenAI says its fixed issue.

Where did you just message me first? The reason is a IT seems to be that, uh, somebody asked a question, the issue occurred. This is what the opening I says when the model was trying to respond a message that didn't send properly and appeared blank.

So you send a message IT didn't get IT. And then I just made up a some generic like so how how was your day? But I know you want that, right? That's what your same band you want AI to say, hey, in how's life?

But IT might even be something like a ban reminder. You have this like coming call and it's these people .

my that you like, hey right .

actually this one you might want to postponed. They're probably actually not a fit for your investment theses or whatever IT might be or it's like like I found something you know um because I know you have like a date on right there is something to that that there is a like a level worry is either creepy or extremely useful that google always dealt .

with eppy line in messages because .

that the sort of random message out nowhere that that's exactly what that looks like IT .

does look like this thing. I get I get like four or five of those day now and report every one of them. They still come in here is from edit the original post from sent to bill the ChatGPT just message me first and asked, how was your first week at high school did just settle in well and and then bila responded, did you just message me?

Yes, I did. I just want to to check in and see how things went with your first week of high school. That is kind of creepy, isn't IT.

And I don't know looking at this if this is a genuine screen shot. I don't know if OpenAI explanation of this smells right that IT in fact, ChatGPT says, if you'd rather initiate the conversation yourself, just let me know. That sounds like I knew what I was doing.

Maybe it's getting senior and they don't even know. Look, I didn't want to get in the AI yet. We've got a lot of AI news, including california passing a deep fake law, california working hard on the AI bill.

I don't know if it's yet has the force of law, but IT probably will. And a lot of ei companies very worried about that. There's lots to talk about, but there is there are bigger stories of foot.

My friends then just AI, let's talk about traditional tech stories. What do you say in just a moment? But we're going to take our first break coming up.

We've got pages exploding. We've got caught come trying to buy intel and elan musk. You're going hear this a lot backs down.

That's all coming up. Next the show. Great to have rap goro here, PC magazine, fast company, rob peg aroa com. He's got now we know A A cat. He's got a .

badge tree and and .

he's got a child who's asking him questions. It's all, it's all happening at the pegasus house today. Great to have you.

Very appreciated. Thank you. And don't we always like to see cats and children? That's part of the fun of this show, alex Linda, who lives in a blanket tent somewhere outside the house from office hours that global and mac break weekly. Great to have you and our own AI, expert by par, author of the AI analyst and economist, at the information our show today brought to you by, oh, look, he made A, I. balloons.

Happened to think that I forgot.

IT does that? Yeah, two comes up.

That does this. You got turned on. I've turned IT off.

So turn turned off. For each, you have to go into a little Green a thing and go into each APP. And every time you go into the open, no, no, not on this one.

I don't want do IT here either. I don't want to do IT anywhere, not here, not anywhere like Greens and ham. I don't want to do IT on the train.

I don't want to do IT those only listening. Bended thumbs up and balloons came from the ceiling.

And then he did fire to turn that off.

Yeah, robs disappointed because he can't .

make IT happen there. Go there per second, is there? So the .

values do not obey you.

Every time you try to demo something live .

IT doesn't work, right? I sure they've brought you by next. sweet.

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twice what and tells .

worth I think that the foundry business .

that intel has is probably thing that's most interesting to them. And obviously, a lot of built in uh you know a lot of built in clients and a built in process. And cocom is um trying to take advantage of their current position. So I think that is probably IT probably makes sense for them to do IT. IT seems crazy.

I mean that there are some question about, first of all, wall street journal, come on, they're obviously taking, you know, what do they call that dead items, secret items from who put put this in their head 点 come probably right matter。 Yeah, intel has a market value of ninety billion. I mean, this looks that looks like where you know, cocom, we're doing really well.

Shares in cocom have a market value of one hundred eighty five billion is more than twice call comes stock went down. Intel stock went up with the enticement. So maybe intel place the item, the blind item.

That's the word I was looking for as a number of people point IT out, including the the register um IT. Besides the regulatory headwinds when two big chip combine, that's exactly what the ftc would not want to have happen. I think there are big issues with a licensing.

They've got cross licensing agreements that would be voiced no avoid with a merger and acquisition and would have to be renegotiated. An AMD has also cross licensing with intel for sixty six. All of this means that until if they got acquired would be worth a lot less, probably unless you could make those remake those deals. So this seems to me like a blind item. The only real question which which the journal seems to be very vulnerable to, by the way, the only real question to me is who place this end, you know, whether they used to say in in lanton cui bono, whose whose the who get makes the benefit out of this blind item is IT at all credible?

I'm really, really hard story there. But the antitrust ble implications.

there is no way right way current .

administration or a common heir administration that goes anywhere. And IT shouldn't going where, because welcome dominates the market for smart and processes in the us. Um right now, for the first time, we have really intense competition.

I saw IT if a intel and cocom having doing announcements for laptop processors, that's great. So you wanted get rid of that like no, that this deal, if IT is in the works, should go nowhere. And I think it's for the best for both companies that they go nowhere.

Because imagine trying to invest pok on trying to just intel. That seems like a recipe for just organizational chaos for a long time to come. So maybe the people tipping off the journal are trying to make sure that doesn't happen .

or maybe that's IT.

I not heard any westers about the see either way.

And my nuts for robot, he feels to me like the journal is often the plate apple, I think used to do this all the time. They go to the journal with the blind item.

tell you I am my doubts about the editor page. Na, that's .

right.

Birthrate reform there.

They broke the Elizabeth story. I mean, yeah. And yet, sorry, this just seems like such an non starter and and I think that even the articles a little bit regulate about the whole thing, the deal, by the way, we should mentioned, means you, who one of our regular think.

yes, I alone can fixit. Absolutely, we should have. I mean, you'll see people suggest right after the latest round of video broadband company consolidation, there were people seriously suggesting on the wall street, verizon should buy comcast, which is bananas like that is another idea that would go nowhere. But people will seriously think about that. Probably, I guess there's enough banking m and a types who were thinking of all the money they could back getting such a deal to go through.

If somebody is is floating this idea, they're floating IT to more than the wall street journal because this morning, ming chi kuo, who is a common ruber source resupply chain source for apple rumors, confirmed that he said, i'm here in the same thing.

I think I think that also it's their their job to report that. I mean, it's not their job to process everything and decide where we're not going to report on this because we don't know. So you know they can say what people are talking about IT. Um there's been there might have been something like that, but I do agree that I would be an incredible lift in a nearly impossible lift to make that happen.

Yeah intel l was struggling. And really that's the real story. Here is how hard how hard it's been for intel.

It's so the same said intel, like in a slightly different universe, would be an incredible position to be taking real advantage of the AI boom. But just mistake after mistake over and then it's just like a slow part of slow cut a decade in like seating ground to your AMD to your a taiwan having a conductor to like all sort of of different apple comply.

It's you know the talent doesn't want to be IT until the way they were like fifteen years ago, right? Like fifteen years ago, a intel was the leader. Anyway, it's that I yes, I well .

in intel, by the way, is talking about splitting up into two. I mean, maybe that's what prompted this takeover inquiry, pat gelsinger, who kind of initially when he took over a CEO that we should be two businesses of boundary. A chip manufacturer but also a chip designer like cow, cow, cow com doesn't make its own chips.

And now lately, gelsinger been floating the idea. Or maybe the board is, I don't know, this might be more a board move than the glass or move that maybe they should be just two separate discrete businesses, the founder business and and the fb business. Yeah IT is is sad. It's said, yeah, I don't know this much more to say, except this moves the market. When the journal publishes a story like this, l stock goes up seventeen, seventeen percent come, stock goes down.

The the only thing I can think of that would make me think that they could even be true would be that someone over a caught m is making a bet that in this is politics, the other administration is going to be empower, thus lacks you like remove certain laws and be able to go acquire. But even then, this one is one. Yeah.

want to see happy. We might be in a silly season for the next seventy days.

We keep in in silly season for like a year, especially last like couple of us. So let just be clear regardless, like we're in silly season and I look forward to like january and we can like .

settled down, kids settle down, least know what's gonna happen. Yeah yeah I think you're right. This this might have a lot to do with the political situation in united states and and and the unknown about what this what it'll be like january twenty is whether it'll be possible for this kind of emerita to happen or not.

Here's a story I think we're going to that has a little more meat on its bones and is a little more shocking. You probably woke up, as I did a couple of days ago, to hear that pages in the hands of hezbollah Operatives exploded across lebanon. Nine people.

Actually, death toll much. I are now, I think, about to twenty one people were killed, twenty eight hundred injured, some of them not has the Operatives, but children of hezb law Operatives, some of them diplomats for the iranian government. Iranian state television said iran's ambassador lebanon was injured by his pager. Pretty clear that these pages were sabotaged in a supply chain attack.

I mean that the this is I mean is incredible, like good like what you're seeing is an regardless of the politics of IT probably took over a decade to to get that to get the supply chain to a place where I could be sold as something to um and h and that was done in hungry more places where evidently they weren't manufacturing the pages, but they were distributing the pages. But all of that probably took a long time.

IT had to be a man in the middle attack. Probably not all people making the patches, but somebody who got the pages in quantity somehow made a deal with hezbollah provide you with thousands of pages well and .

the thing that happened that I think I only people talked about and maybe it's not connected, but there was a point where you know right after the massacre um there was a there was a hospital hit and everyone claimed that israel had hit the hospital, which was an accurate um and israel kept on saying we didn't hit the hospital like in the united states said didn't hit the hospital and everyone still throwing you know getting upset and talking about IT so israel had to do something that they were fighting obviously from doing which was they had to show tradecraft they said here's the l is the cell conversation between the guys that accidentally shot the you fired into the hospital so they had to show show a hand that they almost always very probably in something that related to a stingray or dirt box or something like that that is going to um you know pull solution and and they made IT clear that they can hear everybody talking back and forth that that may have created hank, you know, insider hesa because suddenly they bought all of these pages. And although .

this apparently had happened, was that they could no longer trust the communications devices that they were using, that they had been compromised by israeli intelligence. And so they bought pages thinking that they would be secure. And you're right, this is probably a chain of events. Is not coincident animal accidental to the whole plan, right?

And you know israel has pro israel has done this type of thing for a long time and whether it's, you know well.

that reminds me of the attacks on the gade devices the iranians were using yeah where where they actually these were are gapt futures that were being used to enrich uranium from atomic bombs. And the israelis, I we believe, with the help of the americans, managed to get now where area gap devices, now we're on of these devices, so they would spin up so fast, they destroyed themselves. This was a very effective attack, which unfortunately then spread out into the public because the virus that they use escaped.

And you know, regardless of the politics, you know, one, if you are an enemy of israel, you will think twice because it's not just even that. It's also the bomb that they had in iran to take out I think what a leader of.

yeah, they just did .

this also the of a political wing of .

and in the reaction .

here is you blinded hezbollah forced all of their leaders into one building, which then israel dropped on them, you know, like, so, so, so they took out almost all the military leadership in one strike a couple days ago. And most likely that was generated because they had taken away their pages and rocky turkeys on top of that, they are, israel now knows who had pages, because they are, they have a hit problem, they and I problem, and they have their dominant hand.

The death one is forty two people. I correct my self thirty five hundred .

for the death hope and probably get a lot higher because now israel, who they are, you know, like, so now you have people disappear, ring one after the other for the next year.

but also at least two children. And this is now it's very hard to wait in on this because, of course, hezbollah been also shelling israel one hundred, one hundred missiles the night this happened and killing innocence as well. I don't know that justifies that kind of response. That .

raises an .

issue IT rays, an issue of what is appropriate in war and what is not an appropriate.

I actually have mild international law textbook on the shuffle on the corner um yeah I mean, he's bow is a terrorist period. There was a really good stir in the front page of the washington post this morning, pointing that one of the people these really took out in an airport at the other day helped organize the bombing of the marine barracks in the root. When I was, I can grade school that long ago.

Uh, so the israel have a long memory. They have a very effective set of intelligence services. And yeah, it's this is i've done a lot of reading up and writing about supply chain attacks.

And up until now, that has always been, oh, look, somebody got this compromise library to this open series project that nobody bothered to check. IT has never been a case of. Let's figure you out a way to get into the supply change of this, like track device I didn't think anyone even used anymore. And then somehow package bomb into IT that you can trigger remotely. And you know, IT seems prety clear that nobody was buying these things off the shelf .

for some .

order to people they wanted to stay in touch with. So Walker .

talkies, I come. Rocky talkies, I come. A long time.

Sponsor, I have, I come. Ham here. I'm sure they were not involved in this. There had have been a kind of a middle man.

and it's interest OK IT IT is um uh the battery is most likely uh you know A P B X uh explosive and how you trigger do you also have to put .

software .

there to have had to put software and but I think .

they would I wouldn't have to change change the structure of of the device matter of getting that. But but IT is something that is there's a it's a tragedy that any civilian ever dies. When you actually look at the percentage of of uh you know civilian and cash in this attack compared to almost every other attack israel or any other countries ever had, the collateral damage actually very, very low. Um is very specific. The explosives were not very large um you know they were enough to do individual damage, but um there's definitely footed, showing someone in crowd getting hit and no one else being injured so so you there's definitely going to always be um you know uh injuries that that occur but that's happening when you when they took down that house on the on the commanders of the people there were cities ans women and children. You know like it's so this is that this is part of what happens when you you know OpenAI kind of warmth, you know, IT, I think this .

a lot of countries are going to be double checking of their electronic equipment, go tracking through the software. But it's really hard to track or detect these things. And eventually after a few years, people forget uh and security gets lx and um people like.

well, the interesting thing thing is most likely the reason that they they wanted to supply all of their own, their fighters with pages probably afraid that israel was in the supply chain if they went to a consumer store, that there would be a higher chance of, they wanted to get them all and control all that.

And that's probably what got them you how you centralized that control was because they were actually trying to buy them for them and hand them once that they knew rather than telling them to go out and get a you. So the the fact that they were trying to do that is is um you know more problem probably open IT up obviously IT. And the question is the rumors right now are that IT was a user or loser moment.

They felt like hezbollah's IT out. And they, within a very short period, you know, less than hours or possibly minutes, they made the decision to go head and activate them, and then, and then then followed up with, you know lots of very strikes because you have a lot of confusion you know in the um you on the other side because they don't. These are all obviously, people within the decision making process are suddenly out of commission. So there's a lot that happens really .

quickly per the page or manufacturer am being told by a disco. The model had been discontinued for a while. Uh, IT was a hungarian pager company, right?

Well, it's I believe IT was chinese, I believe remain chhang an yeah yeah.

The explosive was in the batteries. Pet N. I sold to the sba through a shell company.

According some stories, israeli intelligence method had actually manufactured devices, so but they certainly modify the advice that make IT makes me very nervous for a variety reasons. We're all vulnerable to supply chain attacks. We all assumed the electronics that we use, that the software inside them in the no.

This is why, is why the united government made such a big deal about what way, I mean, they didn't do that. They want to worry about explosion but they were not worried about, uh, you know a intelligence gathering through those routers. And so that was that became an issue um you it's pretty clear that you know all the countries are tapping the .

underwater lines. Little nervous but all you hard where I have on this death.

it's not in the harbour either. It's also the software. Tiktok is a perfect example of that issue right .

down just just in the loss of productivity is is is is a is a viable virus mabe .

can you check that can check your microphone to the right microphone again?

You know, I did .

a thing again.

I O is.

you know mean, there's all sorts of issues. It's very difficult immorally to to wait in on this in. These are booby traps, these are, these are, in theory, illegal devices.

But at the same time, you kind of understand why the israelis might be sensitive to this. And they did attempt to a target. An enemy is opposed to just a random explosions.

I don't know. It's A. It's battle all around. I guess.

do we have a more positive today?

I have Better stage. You want to talk about elon mosque. Let's take, let's take a break.

Either at least it's more healthy or not getting anywhere here.

I should have started with the happier stuff. I guess we're gonna talk about elon there. There's really a whole show we could do about elon this week.

But we'll a little elon. We'll talk about the california bill, which limits social addictive social media for kids. I don't if that's possible.

And and my microsoft wants to restart three mile island, all that coming up in just a little bit. You're watching that this week in tech with our guests. Spend par great to have you.

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No, it's ilan, just the gift that keeps on giving. Let's start in brazil, shall we? When I left two weeks ago, elan was in trouble in brazil because he refused to have a personal in country that could be arrested in case of issues.

He refused to ban some people that the the brazilian government want him to ban. A supreme court judge said, no, we're gonna block x dot com in brazil and furthering more. We're going to find you and we're going to get the fines from space. Ex, I mean, I just went from bad to worse.

Well, this two week drama has pretty much ended from the new york times, I think, yesterday morning, abrupt reversal, axis lawyers said IT was complained with court daughters had had previously defined brazil supreme court could allow the site back next week in a court filing friday night, the company said, yeah, yeah, we're going to have local employees so you can arrest them. We're going, we're going to pay the fines and we're going to block the people that you ask us take down the accounts. Even though this is exactly what elon had vote, he never would do.

Now I have to say this one is maybe a little bit on inland side on this because remember, the brazilian government is not exactly fully democratic that maybe there's a political motive and all of this elon is a free speech advocate and he wanted to fend that, but he couldn't really win against the supreme court in brazil. And in fact, I think every company, whether it's x or apple or google, has to deal with the local laws. That's the thing .

alone has said from like day one, we will we will not take down anything that is not prohibited by law. So if you say that and look, he's been fine doing the bidding of governments elsewhere. But in brazil, he's gotten wrapped around his own axel about this notion that he must sort of take this extra stance here when in fact, like I I am not in favour of government's blocking access to entire social networks.

Like I do not think tiktok should be blocked at the I. S. P. Level in the us. But I mean, the backstory, this in brazil is an attempted couch.

And you only twenty, twenty three, the people who wanted to see that election of return wanted to see a military dictatorship. Reimposed, which many brazil have a living memory of that was from, like, one thousand nine hundred sixty four, one thousand nine hundred and eighty five, I think. And IT was, you know, not great.

So imagine if january six, three miles that way, uh, people have been saying we need to bring back to the military dictor ship that ended in one thousand and eighty five. Uh, so I understand why the brazilian judiciary might be a little hard core on this, even if I think imposing a ban on an entire service and threatening fines and including the team for a while, if you use the VPN to evade the ban, that's going way too far. And ah alone his he seems to think the previous president, I guess he likes him as much as likes trumpet these days and neither case that that's not showing good taste on his part.

Yeah remember the last president of brazil, there is what named trumps was like the trump brazil。 And so .

arrow right then .

he was out set out and they were able to have a transfer powers. So I can imagine that they are quite worry about a democracy, transfers of power, things that I don't know the specifics, uh, I can say that I thought that, uh, elan was never to win in the end, you know, uh, elan wants to make money. And unfortunately, the stuff that he's been doing with twitter has not .

resulted and makes be driven by greed. I have things easier, but he's like he's going .

to be I have a prediction. I have a crazy prediction that I do actually think sometime before the decade is out that some ownership group involving mark cuban will end up a pond to ether at some point whether or not like, you know, the loans that called honor.

Does cuban have any staking IT now?

no. But he's publicly in the last couple day said he would like to buy both IT and or fox news.

But like .

I think.

I think you Better chance of buying xx and fox news.

But foxes is whole separate conversation. We can go in house because the fate of fox use is .

entirely dependent upon ously. Well, my politics might deline more with our cubans than they do with fox news. I don't think it's a good idea.

It's a shame that these public um you know speech vehicles should be owned by one side or another, right? I mean, this is they're being used to propagandize, to politicize, to polymer size. And IT doesn't seem like that's any Better if if Marcus an owns IT than if Robert murdoch owns IT.

I think one is definitely potentially .

bad only because we agree with my cuban no well.

the question is in post and that said, no effect on covers the post is yeah, that's interesting. But many times so it's possible to do this. You don't have to be like group at murdoch. You don't have to provide grist for A A new succession series.

Yeah, that's right. So brazil is, according to the times, one of the most important international markets for x. It's only twenty million users, but at this point, every twenty million counts for x. He has complied with orders to sensor posts and accounts in india to the multi government and in turkey. But in brazil, in australia, he has not IT really seems like he believes in free speeches as long as it's aligned with his own beliefs and and if it's not, then he doesn't doesn't want to do IT. But I it's a shame that we have to have billion's to save us.

It's a shame that we have to have this weekend billionaires .

as a section of this. A shame isn't IT and not even over. By the way, it's just begun.

I look for to a day when I saw this week and billionaires IT will .

happen one day will IT know. I don't think .

you're right.

And that's why IT bugs me. I take be or OK. I mean, that's why don't get I don't take any conStellation in the idea that my cuban might buy fox news or x because that's just another billionaire.

And who knows what he has .

to be .

a billionaire who .

buys that? Be very clear. The reason one hundred and could get .

done and in the fastest way to become .

a millionaire is to be a billionaire. And by a social network, the old joke, repurposed go head. I'm sorry, alex.

You know, I just saying her was one hundred years ago. I mean, this is all the new tale to tell. Think this is know of rich people having access to these things and we made a bunch of laws and then we take a bunch of laws down and uh you know and so and social media lives outside of the laws that we made based on the kinds stuff that host was doing and again, one hundred years ago. So having we never had .

laws that told newspapers what to say. We had laws because we broadcasters, because they were using public airwaves, and there was some legitimacy to that, but nobody uses public airwaves anymore.

The time they started going down that path, the radio TV was what was that they're early, worried about in the next tranche things. They limited how many you could own. And then we took that away.

And and dia lives outside of all of those things. And so so but we've seen this problem before of you know centralizing too much of the information pipeline. Although I don't know if twitter really cancer for that, I know I don't know twitter doesn't really make up a lot of my appetite .

and what well, one of the one of the one of the benefactors of this whole brazil issue was blue sky and robby you posted the blue sky topped ten million users after a brazil blocked X A lot of brazilian users went to X I think .

one of the few heads of state is president lula, brazil, who and when he actually posted a and still called a tweet on his x account saying, here's where else to find me in the first set network list IT was a blue sky and was threats and instagram he's got a WhatsApp channel um which certainly if you're a government and you don't like what's happening with the former twitter under musk catered rule, taking your business elsewhere, I think is a more constructive response overall.

And I wish all the people in congress who complained about the state of x these days, you could set up an account. Blue guy, nothing stopping you from that. My own congressman, representative done buyer, he is on blue sky, just not making a whole just doesn't .

use just in the first step on my blue sky.

Well, I think the thinking.

feeling that typically happens when you post something and nothing happens like. So I think that the hard part is, is that you really need uh, that's the hard part of getting over that hub of there's no response and you had a bunch of followers on ex or twitter or whatever want to go. Um and so I think that's the chAllenge is that one of these other platforms have proven to be very effective .

at is less effective than I used to be. Yes.

think that maybe the one .

person here who who used to use x regularly and has stopped as you saw when you pull up my profile really right basically quitted after alone brought alex Jones back on which I found yeah indefensible and I decided I am not supporting the site with more free writing and i've actually found um blue guy in terms of having a fun conversation of feedback loop with rears IT works well it's IT reminds me of what are you told like about twitter masted on not so much and i've kind of back away from that threads.

I kind of hate because the default algorithm food is just so enamel and rapid and I have enough of my online life in meta properties. Ah I don't know how much traffic on sending if I post my stories on blue sky, but I do know how few people click her on twitter and IT was you know one percent would been a good click through ratio. And so I don't feel like I given up much and it's nice using a social platform or I don't feel dirty and like right now looking at a one.

Mosques feed in this crew idiots, his great course of super fans. What posses you to think i'm gonna jump on the eggs and and engage with. This delusional billionaire and I say this, i've been super impressed with the along mask is done with space x, but he has just completely exposed how little he knows about social media in in taking over twitter. And it's going to be an expensive lesson for .

me is sky um evidence that you don't have to be that a media property isn't have to be run by a billionaire mean is not running by billionaire by any means.

Jack dorsey funded wonder about fifteen business model have form that fundamentally open and is designed to be decentralized and people are already that's why like masted .

on right that we have our own master on instance. And if you think it's you think you are crickets and blue guy, you try posting on most but it's not owned by a billionaire, not only by anybody yeah .

and you know it's nice to have some part of my online life that is is not somebody's vanity project or a massive at targeting scheme. It's a little bit of the indie web, which can be hard to find .

these days through peaceful .

nothing .

happening. Now I I shouldn't moa master because I big support. I really like IT. We've been running a massed on instance for five years now to that social. But IT isn't exactly the thrill a minute ride that .

twitter used to be. We don't get the job of mean hit.

And but be that a good thing, A D guy.

it's artisan. The locally source open me.

From birkin, yeah well, get ready because california has has signed a bill, governor newsom signed to build a limit addictive social media feds for kids. Now how they're gona know is beyond meat on friday, senate bill nine seven six, protecting our kids from social media addiction act or puck summer.

I guess it's not an acronis was supported by california's school administrator's common sense media, the american academy of pd atri s governor newson's wife, opposed by the acu of california quality california associations representing instagram, tiktok and facebook. The california chAmber of commerce, IT is the law, the land now, well, IT will of the law of the state, I should say, take effect in a couple of years, january first, twenty twenty seven. Here's what IT says.

And I don't know if a court will uphold this. I don't know. It's enforceable. IT doesn't seem to me to be particularly clear and what IT demands IT says internet services and applications cannot provide. And i'm putting this in air quotes addictive feed how do you to find an addictive feed its media created based on information gathered on or provided by the user? They like .

you can use algorithms.

You but you know, yes, I would I would say, okay, if you said that, that makes sense. But this is media created based on information gathered on or provided by the user. Like I want to follow tech journalists, that would be one piece of information provided by a user that would be, well, they can do that to minors without parental consent. IT also means the miners .

on what to be on the platform in the in the first place. So so it's like you're asking them to regulate the thing that .

they're and how know how do they know Alexis inza is not a minor? Are they going to ask alex linsey for an ID which have.

of course.

so that's why i'm a skeptical about this because there is an earlier law, the california a age appropriate design code act, which code act, not code sorted, been stayed by a court that was last month as and the similar problem yet, how do you determine someone who's a minor? And if you require that, how do you make sure you don't suppress speech for people who aren't miners? How do you ensure that you don't convert the internet into a space that's only good for miners? If we have this argument in the nineteen nineties, A A sale universal janua.

O what gave us why section to thirties the only part of the communications is decency act. Ts left. Um so yeah, i'm a skeptic that this is going to have work much Better than california. Previous attempts to try to address people's understandable concerns.

IT also bans companies from sending notifications to users identified as minors between midnight and six am or during the school day from A A M to three pm. Unless parents say it's okay.

but you can send them between six, seven and eighty. So while as a parent, I don't know ready for school, yes, we should.

The state should IT really be the job of the state to say, when my kids are, can anybody can receive notifications? This seems a little bit beyond. There is a sense.

there's always a sense by lawmakers that everything has to be fixed with a lot, that they a hammer and everything. So let's a law, and let's make body has to do something about this. And sometimes things just aren't perfect. And and and i'm not clear that, uh, these laws are every time they stick their hand into IT, they get the the IT either doesn't go anywhere, which has been happening pretty often.

I think that's gonna happen.

And I think what happened, you wait until twenty twenty seven, you junction and drags out for the next five years, those those some of these social networks won't even exist that by the time this thing goes in, new enforcement. And so I think but IT lets them campaign on something they wanted to get IT out right now because they can talk about how they're taking care of kids before the election. We talk about about the crazy season. So having no doing something that's actually not gonna en for years, uh, is good politics, whatever is the politics in an election year.

So I is doing something that virgin is looking at doing, which is allowing or encouraging schools to ban phone user, collect hds phones. I don't have a problem, can do the parent don't need to a loss to that? I don't think you as .

a problem and I have a problem with that because i'm usually working out when i'm picking the kids up from school with day and but .

that's a conversation you should have local school district, the principal in the in the bar and stuff like that. That's where that those conversations should happen, right? Not at the state level.

no. But but I think .

if if the parents and the schoolboy and the educators and the principle of of a school think it's a good idea that the kids shouldn't have cell phones in the classroom, I don't think that's a bad thing by itself. Least you know they're they are actually kids. I just I think it's ridi.

First of all, I don't accept the premise that social media is causing a mental health crisis among Young people. That seems to be a common thought these days, thanks to books like JoNathan hates book. I don't think that that's what's going on.

I don't have enough evidence on that one other way that one might be dangerous to really know it's we're only just seen the first generations who are growing up with this. And there is definitely .

wait a minute, when you were an eighth grade, this battle was being fault about explicit rock and roll lyrics by tipper gore. And then after that, he was being fought over violent video games. And that's why you had video game ratings put on the box.

Dungeons and dragon's came up at some point as a yeah bend.

Did explicit rock lyrics or dunes and dragons turn you into a demonic, crazy person?

The thing that causes .

he lost to saving through .

issues between kids and kids, uh, and bullying and things like .

I agree with you on that.

but you can't like early video games didn't have the ability to that currents to do, but the old ones don't rock and all lyrics social media does because it's just in the end, a more efficient communication connection medium. So I do think it's not an apples to apples. Le's comparison. I don't have enough information .

that just because you're no longer and and great, this is what happened. You get older and then you go kids today.

teen years old go together and um and I will say that I restricted their abilities to get any of these. Um I think my daughter has a pinter account, but that's about IT. And I did just say that .

your job is apparent .

that property no, no, I agree. But now I say mental health that they just see their their friends kind of going crazy like they just know that they're not interested in the I didn't start using IT early now. Now they just think that all of these platforms just make their friends crazy, you know and Snapchat being the number, you know, it's funny that you know like we talk about facebook and everything else mean nobody that they know uses facebook like you know like they're just like that an adult like you know it's not a some a kid platform.

In the new hot social network of the teams.

you should see the bullying that goes on on lincoln. I I just not a lot that lincoln .

is um uh you do have some accountability because your names there your you know you can do a lot of damage really fast linked to yourself um by by going down even a political path.

I always like when people post things like politics, like doing like you, you are just crazy like like that what that that is not the place to do that um and so uh so I think that it's um I think linked in is actually i'm we're getting ready to start streaming office hours to linked in and and people ask why I take me so long and like because it's my most important platform. I kind of like that one that all my my fears are in. I'm you know i'm very, very careful and throw things on youtube and throw things on twitter. I won't necessarily just throw things on you.

Well, you should know that we are streaming on linked in right now. We are also streaming on twitch and facebook and this cord for our club twit members and youtube. But you know, we on, I thought we should get off. X have just last week, yeah we are, we are off x now we we used to be on x, we are on kick, which is probably not much Better than .

x but how are you not streaming? And only thing.

wait to me. Let me just take off my shirt before I answer that. Good boy, you are not stream only fans. We stream on link in. I want to stream.

And by the way, there are nine hundred twenty two people watching those various live streams right now, which is a tiny fraction of the total number people who will watch the show or listen to the show. But I think it's kind of fun to be available alive. And we get life feedback to chat rooms very and only a places of very active and interesting. And for instance, surge strip, says alex, is one hundred percent correct about linked in. And if a guy named surge strip says you are one hundred percent accurate, I think you could take that as a as as true .

money in the bank.

Money in the bank, baby, are, let's take a little break and come back with more. You're watching this week in tech with a fabulous panel of tech enthusiast and experts both like you have to be both you know there's up I was talking about this with lisa. There are certainly people who make IT there a living covering tech.

And and I know disrespect for any of those people by at all, but I think that we are always looking for people who are more than just a journalist covering a beat. We look for people who are actually enthusiasts. And I think you all qualify. Yes, you know what I mean, rob, when there are, there are people, and i'm sure you run, run up against him in your line of work, who, you know, your beat could be this local schoolboy, or could be a state government, or could be tech and and they treated as a beat. You, on the other hand, are an enthusiast, right?

I've been around long enough. It's it's fun when you get to see the industry make the same stakes he was making twenty years ago.

There isn't .

this basic government regulators who yeah yeah yeah no it's it's IT really is um being able to cover this stuff from basically one thousand hundred and ninety six on words well, stuff has changed wow.

Tech making the same mistakes since nineteen .

ninety but high resolution .

it's great to have you rub egr, a PC magazine fest company, bend par, who writes for the information about A I and is the author the AI and listen, of course, from office hours to global are great and good friend alex linz y we will talk on mac break weekly. It's fun because alex and I often get in fights about about government regulation. And usually i'm on the side of more government regulation and you're on the side of less government regulation, but now you're on the side of more governance regulation .

on the when did I say that?

Get that fun? I like the rent .

regulation.

I rent regulation. The government .

knows into that promises that, again, most e mail. So having them make things about this surgery, very low confidence in their ability to make informed decisions.

Again, just let I run the government.

What could possibly .

go wrong? Go wrong. Now I want .

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It's the best VP and out there because when you use express VPN, they spin up their custom trusted server in RAM, you're running IT as soon as you press that button on the expressive pn APP, you're running IT. It's the you're the only one using that process IT can't write to the hard drive and the minute you close your express VPN session, IT disappears out a RAM and there's nothing left but that even that is not enough for express VPN. They also run all of their servers, a customer linux distribution that wipe the entire hard drive and starts fresh every morning.

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We thank you so much for their support of this week in tech. So perplexity, this is from the financial times, is in talk with top brands on ad models in order to chAllenge google. The idea is that, by the way, nike and mario add cording to the financial times two of these advertisers are talking to, according to correspondent seen by the financial times, they hope to roll this out on perplexity the AI.

At the end of the year, a brands will be able to bid for a sponsored question, which features an AI generated answer from the sponsor. So you might say, well, what's the best running shoe? And IT might then say, well, you know, nike makes a very fine show.

The times quotes are avenge shri vas, who is perplexed chief executive, and the times, the financial times, in a little dig, I think there's a little elbow being thrown here, says, and former google intern. Says ads are really useful when they're relevant and coming from a brand of high quality, a lot of people make purchases on that. You know that's the kind of inside i'd expect from a google in turn. Um does this corrupt the whole idea of an AI chatbot if it's giving you sponsored answers?

Yeah, I think so. I mean, no, no, no.

that IT all depends on the context. One, these things do have to make money. So first I huge around to propel ity.

I paid twenty bux OS because I know perplex and he needs to make make money.

I'm also using IT more and more often than I am using google search, and I find that I enjoy that interface more than I do google search at the moment. And I think that kind of thing will continue for more and more people, but not every we've already seen, like a lot of people are not willing to spend one dollars a months or don't have IT. And so you have to have an advertising model. And all I really wants to see is propety the experiment with a lot of different.

So would you think would have to save, for instance, in the answer the following is provided by by nike.

Probably have some kind of color highlight to just be like this sponsored, learn more. Maybe they'll try anything on the side, but they're na try. They I just want them to try different things. I don't know what the best interface is, and Frankly, they don't either.

The only way to know is to give you a shot and as long as you can like me clear, like in the chat, like it's a different color text to get different box on of that, I can imagine different interfaces where people realize, oh, that's like a sponsor red spot. Okay, fine. And we'll see what happens. I don't think that they destroy in integrity because you're not lying to be able and you're not.

Well, we don't know yet. I think it's important that IT and I think the ftc, we will make them label IT and ad of some kind. We have to label our ad ads, right? I can't just say I love express VPN and you should .

get IT without saying a message there that says asking about shoes, give answer, says, by the way, nike make shoes that are like this. I think I think that that that would be OK a sponsored window yeah, I think that that makes sense. I think that when you start to do the if if IT feels like it's the answer um that becomes much more complicated.

So by the way, former google intern shrine of us says he wants perplexities advertising system to become, quote, a money printing machine. So we just got a very right money printing machine .

does not going to get one I want twit .

to be a money printing machine. Everybody would like that.

So get my printer to just print black and White.

So I guess the rational is when you do a search on google, you get genuine results, but you also get add supported results, right? And they're clearly labeled in the the problem was with a chatbot. I don't know if it's maybe it's quite as how would you do that.

the perplexity in that interface. I think there's enough spaces like you have to act sect, but you can put some rich video, can highlight the section that is and add in a slightly to color a box. There's they're definitely designed ways to do this.

Like i'm not even worried about that, and i'm not worried about the perplexity team in particular like trying to like trick people, at least in the great mobile for this stuff to work, you know. And I think perplexity is Better model for how search should be done moving forward. But you got to figure out how to like put a bads.

And I think this is a good starting point and IT makes sense. Like hey, like where the conversation is relevant, they pop up. And might I think the suggestion that out out in terms of like, you know maybe it's like suggesting, like by the way, x makes these shoes are like your sartin ation destinations. You know like here we like imagine like, hey, actually I got a five percent discount for that rich carton. And maria, uh, since you are searching for IT or whatever IT might be.

all right, you spoke and spoke and you will you convinced to me? I mean, we're an add supported medium. I am not against that is obviously that's I prefer you join the club, then I wouldn't have to run ads. But since not enough people will join the club, we have to do ads. Send leo .

your money, money, money into envelopes and nail to leo.

I think that the chAllenge really is, is there's is in the long term, when you look at your apple is slow out of the gate, but in the long term, they potentially have a very powerful AI tool that has a lot of privacy built in. Um you'll use the outside A I solutions less than less than less over the next four to six years.

And you end up with people who are buying into that system that they don't have any of these things and then people who are know dealing with lots of bands. And so and that's the same. You know like when you look at like youtube is a good example, when you talk people who really use youtube with, they almost all are paying for premium because youtube is almost unusable. If you actually leave the ads on my two minutes, it's just the right orb experience like just unbelievable. Um so so it's so I think that .

it's how you do. And in other words.

yeah, I think that we're still going through the the situation over the next decade. I think we're we're going to keep on talking about more and more this. There's a group of people in the world they are going to be buying themselves out of the add environment and people who are stuck in the ad environment.

I think that's going to be a complicated problem. I mean, I think it's going to be complicated problem because is not going to be even you know, and a access to information, how much information and how all those things. I don't have an answer for that, but I think that, that is a coming problem, that more and more people will be buying themselves out of the add model and more and more people will be stuck in less, very much less efficient, you know, experiences.

That's a Philip k. Dick to opa.

I can't even think about the last time I saw youtube bad because i've been paying for couple month .

ago and changed the number. And so sudenly ads, show ads, only showed up for a day because I was like, what happened? The whole things broke. I was like, how to kill somebody like this, adorable, like I I know, you know. And then I realized on my credit cards changed.

I would never do this. But I ve heard that there are podcasts where they have direct ad insertion, and they kind of don't know that they're really awful because that makes you want to join the club and get rid of all the ads by going to twitter, that TV slash club twit. I've heard of that, but I don't actually do that next time. So this should .

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Now this, you know, the headline kind of got me a little bit upset, but maybe it's because i'm living in the past. Microsoft wants to restart three mile island to power ai.

And the side .

of the worst nuclear accident in american history.

which which that put this in context, no one died. Coal power plants kill a lot of wer.

I think IT is .

questionable whether like we don't know how to build nuclear power plants affordably unless they going into a submarine for the navy. That's fine, I guess. Um so the economic case for building new fishing plants does not seem great.

But if microsoft is that desperate and they don't want to wait for solar and wind to come online in pensylvania and they're not going to pay this. And according to the the story red about of the pencillings, your ratepayers and taxpayers will not pay for IT. I'm okay with IT. And yes, also it's not the specific reactor that have the partial meltdown.

The one next to IT h.

it's the other one .

or five and that .

three mile ah and I probably a pencil and power soon um and so it's very inconsistent. I don't know what you would get there or how much you would get there, but the um but I I will say that that you pretty easy to turn up. It's almost impossible to build the nude nuclear power plant.

So being will turn one back on probably makes sense. I'm kind of curious what the proxim ity is, whether they are buying. You know in some cases, all of these data data centers know what they are doing is they're saying, well, we're providing this into the into the grid. IT doesn't matter that they're getting, they're just say that the powers paid for by them is clean power and they get to count .

back how those works. It's gonna fed into the the same grid, but microsoft .

saying .

much of were pretty nice.

And they do this a lot where they know in texas, they do this a lot where they you're buying from. You're saying i'm buying Green and there and there are solar plants and and wind plants and so on. So for but you're you're identifying what IT is your pain to premium for that typically.

So this is a company from marine called conStellation energy. They own the facility which suffered a meltdown, partial meltdown in one thousand nine hundred and seventy nine. IT was officially closed in twenty and eighteen. They're gonna name IT because the names through my island.

maybe with some .

people now .

to my island .

so that microsoft island mal, use of ugh ism, you're going to call IT the crane clean energy center in an honor of a former executive at the company. And I guess, yeah, I think you're right. I think it's microsoft agreed to buy all the power generated probably is and amazon did the same thing with scores. Anna, nuclear power plan also in pencil anian .

in lots people are doing that. The questions in some cases um these data tors are built right next to the supply. So because there's actually of efficiency of sending the power or you know through the lines. And so I mean some of these are I mean it's incredible number of I mean these are like eighteen mea thirty five megawatt .

you a hundred thirty five mego question .

when you start talking about those numbers sometimes is more efficient and especially part of the state potentially build data right next to IT because then you're not .

transposition. Says IT will produce as much clean energy as all the renovations built in pencil lvi ia over the last years. Um they also say it's it's safe. It's one of the safest plants out there. This plant was among the safest and most reliable nuclear plants on the grid before I was premature ly shuttered due to poor economics and maybe a brand problem.

I don't know. I mean, look, nuclear power just does get a bad rap. It's just very visible once in a while kinds of incident. But when you compare to the damages we were just talking about before of log term code use into the atmosphere, like it's not even a comparison. And you can build these things and get them to a place where .

this is an old plan. Remember, this is not that one of the newer sodium cool plants that bill gates is behind. It's yet it's an old.

Most of the vision reactors .

are old because I .

make new ons lunches is tiny years away. Well, this isn't that this isn't that close either. We won't be back online at the earliest till twenty twenty eight is super .

fast compared to all the other option. Yeah.

the plane also is dependent on federal government tax breaks for nuclear power in the inflation reduction act. Yeah, I agree with you. I I think clear. It's a little scary because of the waste and so forth, but it's IT is a cleaner form of energy than most of the other energy. Think the body is is for A I it's not there.

This is kind of A I bus could be over by twenty twenty years.

Why would I would you feel Better or would you feel worse bad if we're for a crypto mining, right? I just also had actually yeah, but I am saying is that this is maybe less than necessary use of power or maybe isn't.

I think I think that are overall, I mean, there are a lot of concerns about A I, but overall, it's going to solve a lot of problems. Da, I mean, there is going to be there is definitely going to be big breakthrough that happen because we are able to manage that data in that way.

So I think that and no, I think that there is a lot of the electricity, the scare of of nuclear is what what could happen to the waste versus as as was arty, how mind what is happening with coal waste, right? And oil know like good. So you know and I think that we're moving towards not only A I but we're moving towards a largely electrical um you know a transportation economy.

You know it's going up and down, but there is going to be some point twenty years from now that we don't buy cars with that are burning up. Fossil feels like that's probably got maybe twenty more years before it's mostly gone. You know that's still that's ge draw energy.

I'm a big supporter of V V S um for that reason, but the powers got to come from somewhere. Yes, good news is that new EV will probably have an am radio in IT. Thank goodness you might hear that. I think .

that's what they're complaining about IT IT takes .

more at right cost .

them in extra four dollars to inlay those lines. So know that well.

they're gonna have to because the am for every vehicle act has been overwhelmingly approved by a house committee. And we will now head of the floor for final, final vote. If successful, IT goes to the president's test to be signed into law.

Advocates for the bill, mostly the radio industry. Have argued the decline of A M radio, a consequence of the software to find vehicle, could make IT difficult to broadcast emergency information, especially in rural areas. The bill was introduced in may of last year after ford, tesla, bmw invokes wagon.

All said were taken the A M radio out of our new evs because of the inference I don't have an A M radio in my bmw, didn't have one of my a tesla for that matter, or my ford. But most people listen to the radio. They don't listen the radio. They listen their phones, right? I guess the issue is, if you're in a rural area where you don't have self reception, what do you do?

I'm paint a picture for you. Yes, the apocalypse has come. The nukes have dropped.

right? Getting your folks wag and be glad you have an radio right?

You need to be able to two in and here what's going on? I am probably that situation probably what they're .

actually think sure the us.

Has been invaded. I M there's you .

know you because I here is so far um there is a potential of having a centrally seventy I think seventy stations with the entire country and so so and they are thread rial based. Um you know we get into war war three, let's say um all of our satellite are going to come down really quickly like all the countries have the ability to shoot each other satellite down right now.

So so you from the ground, you know and so not even from space and so so the you know a lot of our the way we think of communications IT doesn't take very much to cut most that off. And so I think that the argument, and I think it's A A salian art argument, is, you know people may not have a named radio at home, but being able to go to their car and theoretically get some information, they're not most of market to have short wave. Most of the market now there's a lot of ways to disrupt communications that worked. It's not a bad argument to say you have to spend an next for four dollars on the car to .

have IT in there. I agree. Um it's a pear security kind of uh, deal here so Better safe than sorry, hopefully we never have to using in a post apocalyptic people want .

to inconvenient for the car makers to spend an extra four dollars or six dollars or whatever on on this thing. It's not like it's it's not like they are is driving their business into the ground. They just don't want to do IT because is protects extra engineering probably more .

than the four dollars to make .

sure that they isn't affected by their it's the electrical reaction inside the you know the engine that is causing that, you know like that those kinds of things and they have to do extra inks .

and that haven't seen explain that if you do do that work, you are R E V, though you've got this man that ran around IT. Can you still late at night, hear a baseball game from hundreds of miles? Honestly, is the one use case otherwise.

just like only White socks game, only this season, White socks again.

But everybody should have in their home a crank driven a radio with all the bans and the weather bands and all that stuff, so that you can, if you have to raise the antenna and listen to the White socks games. Why would .

anyone want them for torture themselves to listen the White socks? A man ban A M radio.

When I was a kid, my dad.

I would get the car because we couldn't get the reception in the house and listen old time radio from new york city over the am. I mean, I shouldn't mock IT. I worked in the am radio for forty years.

The White sox at the bottom of the eight and the swinging and miss one hundred and nineteen losses. There are three away from a world record of losing.

You know, that's how running raga is starting shopping is, did you know that calling a baseball games, but he wasn't at the ball park. He had a ticker and he would reenact the game. You know, he added a little thing he did he please wouldn't block, it's a hit and and he would reenact the game on the radio. There's a fun fact for year from the good old days of find .

baseball commentator making one hundred .

twenty today.

Alright, only way, A M radio coming to your, coming to your somewhere soon. By the way, he was an announcement. W, H, O, and.

Just in case you wanted to know moving along, actually, let's take a break and then we will move along. How about that? You're watching in this week in tech with rob para aro PC magazine. It's getting darker and darker in there. I don't know that your .

so or the light, I had smart light bobs in my home office .

during the break. You can turn the lights on. It's great to have you, rob, of bandar AR, who has a eye driven lights. And as light sabor apparently ready to hit out of the park IT could be in by day, IT is gone like you been the AI analyst committed the information. And of course, the wonderful good friend of the show.

alexy from yours is beautiful.

You know what? I got to say it's nicer and nicer back there. I have a feeling we're in, allow a little bit of a cold war. You and I i'm going to have to really update my background.

And yang, i'm redesign the whole thing. So man.

Better and Better all the time.

I want to roll up in the corner. So that's that's my next next thing.

Don't roll the quarter during a show. okay?

No no, no, no. I finally decided when I have to put in trust in and .

um speed rail and just .

like that then the .

chat room wants to know, are you a lefty? Because the way you held that that.

yes, yeah, he's sap. I'm a pear lefty.

You can never be a catch, but you could be a picture.

you know, laughter. I have unique. I am special.

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Watch that one yeah and .

I think shop lifed because he really that's how he got he guys to start on the said I think they still power cell hank. The sault leverage club is called uh with sharp fy as pretty, pretty dark, cool makes IT possible for somebody like hank, who's all about cooking and editing and videos to actually do e commerce. And that's really turned out to be a really big thing form.

Pickles are coming next. Get ready. Pickles, pickles. He just got this first, said I I have to say, I pride now declaimed this, I am an investor is shocked. I am invested, not just my many years of time and money and blood, sweat and tears into my child's child wearing, but in fact, I actually invested money into the assault t lovers club because I thought, well, if I can't make IT.

at least I feel like so I feel for the the amount of the trifle salt that I bought from I know I I, I should have stock that's .

we are helping funding as the retirement.

The truffle, it's like instant, like i'm going to make this dish takes this spring look on. It's like make things Better. Yeah.

he's got a whole ranger assaults. They've got a new design for the attention are really great, very kind of reta design. And he's doing like he said, he's going start doing pickles, pickled peppers, pickled onions, pickled pickles.

So watch for those on a door shelf, knew you. And if you like me, you'll buy a lot of them please. I beg of you and put all my retirement into sell hank.

Speak we were talking about social and masted on I was very sad. You know mozilla, which is of course, the firefox folks, thunder bird firefox in that men on service and they're uttering IT in december. It's the end of the line for a mozilla's masted on maybe I understand why when they said that there were only two hundred seventy active users.

that is kind .

of said we have more than that. We have several thousand active users on twitter, that social. But but I think everybody was involved in the feed diverse as what they call the federated system of observers running activity.

Pub massed on. Just one of the many ways you can do that. What kind of gratified with mozilla is said we're we're going to start to make IT on server.

Two people for those two hundred and seven users die. And this is one issue with activity pub, which blue guy doesn't have. It's not so much account probability is more like settings portability. If you're one of those two hundred seventy, you can take your followers, list the people, you follow the people following you, but you lose your old handle and your old posts are not you reproduced on your new profile and that's kind of a pain. And I say that i'm on journal dot host, which is a another smaller scale specialized masted on activity activity pub server. And if that goes poof then um you know yeah I don't have to recreate all my settings but if if I had that that address of my business card ds, I got to bring new ones because you know that's not we're going to be found .

hence forth yeah i'm at leo at twitter t social but you're right if twitter social goes away. Actually, it's in my lower third right there. If what that social goes away, i'd have to be at leo, at you masted on that social somewhere else.

I mean, this this is the problem with a massage down or something. Um I mean us technology and the one's listening yeah we can go and like set up a massed on and like go enjoy server and have an understanding of IT and the rest the general public is not doesn't have the time or and doesn't make sense for them to go to figure that out is just as a thing right like IT is not made to be easy. Well, I think part of .

IT is we kind of thanks to twitter and then later facebook and instagram in all the other, the risk got this idea of a centralized place where we exist in the idea of a decentralized place like blue sana, a sky are masted on, or I guess threads. They support the federal s these new people and doesn't quite make sense. And yeah, has a few decision inches. That's one of them.

Yeah, if you had something that was just as easy, and you had started out at the beginning of when twitter was first going out, you could have a different thing. The thing is just ease of use just matters to people also complete decide whenever everytime hear federal S I always think like like it's like three hundred deal, like it's a it's like a like a knock off mcu. And I think there's like three hundred different variations like captured america, like all is like a master dan like server or something. I don't know what IT goes, a blue of brain, but want to hear federal S I always think like weird and see you well.

And I I I just want underline something you said there is like, you know, it's some to be easy to use interfaces, everything. I mean, half the time apple just all they do is they take something that someone also has done and just make IT run smoothly. I like that.

Just take the shark. I just just take one more round of, uh, sandpaper, just just make this nice and smooth and then handed back to you as if there was something new. And I think that that a lot of companies that their peril uh and underestimate the power of the interface, you know and the power of use of use.

And I think that um it's really, really important um you know and I think that I just see IT all the time. You see something that a great technology, and then someone made IT difficult. I have to admit, for me, I didn't really mastered on a blue guy. I looked at like, complicated.

apple. Should that complicated?

And apple, no. I, I, I .

complicated .

for me.

and I the .

same charge. So then I was like, then I was kind of like, well, not I I just him.

In the days before the number portability, your phone number didn't follow you around right course when there was just one mobile and wasn't a big problem. But as soon as you, there were many different Carriers and your number, you stayed with that kind or that was a big al effect. I don't think cell phone adoption would have the .

same kind of phone the prefix. But outside of the prefix in this first split, little Better about that. But anyway.

the you mean the area code, you got a different .

area code in the area de outside of that area change. My parents had the phone twenty over fifty years. It's like the same. yes.

yeah. I mean, you can't take your house number with you. You can take your phone number with you, robby. Maybe you can't take your best in our .

account with you, but I my number for twenty five years, I haven't changed that.

I think it's a good thing to change your phone of a regularly or you .

i've probably had this mind for the same amount of time as well. I had to get for one number my whole life. I want .

do you not to start I I know I don't think about IT at all. I answer IT, I don't answer IT like if you don't schedule a call with me, i'm not like the case.

I ve had the same number for fifty years. I can't .

answer IT and you .

have a .

lot of control and I I have so between five P M and uh, five A M do not disturb. And between five, four and five P M, i'm on a focus mode that allows .

was like twelve .

people like you and that's fine for me and I don't have notifications on for anything because that is a horrible way to think. Like you just so like having things interpret you all the time is is such a horrible idea.

I would just like dinner of this broadcast to say that salt hank will be on the today day show on thursday. I just went to sot lovers club that com because I was curious if salt, if salt hank was still selling using sharp fy. This is one by you want to try I can't say IT on the air, but notice, yes, he is still using sharp fy so I just want to check that and give a little plug to the sault lovers club in and get the cookbook. It's pre order now. Saw hank, a five napkin situation.

a men, and i'm going to go buy some salt.

You gotta get the cook book though. Look at these recipes. It's amazing. It's amazing. Such a good.

That is dinner time on the east coast, by the way, completely, I know this is cruel. angry.

Is this cruel? Is this mean.

David?

All right, let's move on. Let's move on. I want to make you unhappy again.

Let's see amazon tells employees you ve gotta come back to work five days a week. No more remote work. This seems little retro to me. We're doing the opposite, by the way, we no longer have an office people can come to, I think in my house book.

I think that the hard party is that you won't know immediately.

I mean, I think that usually I I would say that a full back to work five days a week and even partial back to work is really a sign of a lack of ability to manage people well online you and that's a limitation of their management system but I think that um I think that the uh I kind of get the people like to be in the office for three days a week um but the we're gonna have to make everybody come back know uh I think that what what I find and I have friends that work at a lot of these companies um that what you suddenly see is a lot of activity on like this doesn't mean liquid, doesn't mean they thrown me any part. Um they don't throwing hard pitches. What they do is suddenly you see their posting. This is what I learned and this is and what they're doing is so the drought of this is often times three to five years, like, you know, and I know some people who .

they quite a quit sort of, yes.

they don't, I mean, but what they're .

doing is so but they .

looking in the productivity impact .

of someone with one foot in, one foot out is pretty brutal. You know, like you know, there are not there are um not as likely to do a lot of things um know for this. They're not as likely to want to apply for patterns because they don't want to slow down whatever they are going to do next. It's so they're not know they are not as likely to take on longer term projects because they don't want to be tied up in those.

Here's the here's the email from andy Jessie, the CEO of amazon and IT starts hate team, by the way.

immediately i'm turn to, no.

no, this is bad news. I want you to send a note on A A couple of changes we're making to further strength in our culture and teams. Exactly right.

Same reaction. We want to Operate like the world's largest start up. So we're asking everybody to come back to work five days a week.

We're also going to bring back a signed desk arrangements offices, right? We understand some of our teammates may have set up their personal lives in such a way to return to the office will require some adjustments to help ensure a smooth transition we're not going to do is still generate second. So get going and you you get three months.

got three months to find another job.

to find another job, you going to get very busy.

The issue is, is that it's it's also one of the problems that companies have had with people staying at home is that the the actual um african rate is much lower. So a lot of companies have had an issue where not as many people are moving, they actually need a certain number of people to quit, find other jobs because they're trying to and they don't want to do layoffs.

I get press and so so often times what are you know that they expect a certain amount of turn and that turn has been really low because people are pretty no like, well, maybe it's not the best job in the world, but i'm working at home. How that can this be? And so I think that that there's A I think that they have a this accelerate that and will clear out the people who aren't as serious as as um amazon once.

But the problem that you often times have is that your many of your most effective people are are the people who are also the most mobile and the most that one flexibility. And so they could end up with this. And again, I don't think it's gonna a sudden thing.

I don't think you're going to bunch of people quitting, but I think that what you're gna see is this over three to five years, can they stay viBrant? You know, because this is a huge argument. I know a lot of startups that that one of the big things when they post new ad, new new jobs is the mote job. You know they can pay often times uh from one person I talked to twenty five thirty percent less then a large company um by saying you can completely at home you know .

and desirable and people will take a one take .

oh yeah to be able to live ever that they want because there .

is a thirty percent they're .

working that i'm now there are working out of thing, Lewis, or out of demand or out of somewhere else. Not trying to pay the the problem you work at .

home yeah yeah as .

you can see so but at least you can afford .

to turn the lights on. I'm glad to see that that's good.

Um amazon H Q two buildings they built to the toys buildings in the um they caught the national landing, the bright Crystal city and now those were built with the intention of having lots of people in them. And lots are fired with the idea, at least three, twenty, twenty, that you will be working in these buildings. And IT, is that a good .

reason to bring people back to work though? I mean, we built them. We gotta use them.

I really think that they're not not know the whole, not that the block they planned to build with the building is going to look like this giant augar have compared to the pop mogi.

Is this in .

seattle wears this? I .

have a couple .

years .

and I .

apologized. Anyone not a great place that I .

guy wouldn't I like to trust me like .

I I drove, I drove through IT and I was, no, I didn't have a some meets there and I was just like, wow, this is not this is like, yeah, anyway, it's not bad, like dangerous or something is just bare.

It's lacks all uh.

culture like here's A A lot a of new construction. How many buildings get here with the ugly stick in the one .

thousand seventies and .

nineteen sixties? Yeah.

like that's the old because that hanger and national airport does not exist anymore. That picture i'm gonna is like ten years out a day.

which if it's twenty, twenty, it's only five years at a four years at a day.

I feel like amazon at some data and they're like we want to get rid of some people and that like it's okay if we lose a couple, but I don't know. They anticipated this much external backlash. But the long term is the top talent is going to find things. So whether more a flexible.

this looks worse than living in the chin, china. This looks like they would have to put nets outside the windows. I'm just saying.

put some color on IT.

Yeah that that wants grim.

Yes, so I never want.

There should be bike lanes on each street .

on the land. This is from wikipedia .

that this is the eighties OK .

is how much improved IT is in twenty. And again.

if you're not taking the if you're not taking the tea or whatever to the not the tea, but the metro Christal city, which there is a big thing .

as you don't have to live there.

the traffic is intense like and so there's this ground, especially if you haven't been doing IT um anymore, there's a grind of the traffic to get to this. Now kristal .

city has twenty twenty two thousand residents. Sixty thousand people come to work there every day.

And if so, you're sitting and you know and what happens is some people are willing to put up with IT for three days a week or whatever and then they take monday and friday off or whatever. But IT is um IT is brutal. Like I take you know driving to many of these headquarters is you're talking about thousands .

of people is to drive cruel city when, yes, the metro goes there, no one's making you to do .

that yeah but the metro is prety busy at that time too like it's it's .

pretty good problem have .

yeah yeah I have been on the metro going during rush hour to the cristal city and its not a great experience like I was like i'm never doing this again like you know, I just didn't want to go to Christal city anymore so but I was like I may move my date. I move my meeting lunches instead .

of morning and the reason is IT IT exists because it's only five miles away from washington dc. So it's near the center .

of power. Well, there a lot of things so there's a lot there. Um but but I think that uh regardless less that whether it's cristal city or seattle or camper cco or kuta or any of these things, you know the traffic for all of these and the drive that you have to do if if you want to be able to afford somewhere to live um or you're getting on one of these buses and you're taking the bus down, but you're blowing three hours, two hours, three hours of your day just getting to work, you know and it's just a you know IT just feels it's, you know I again, I don't have to do that.

I work from home so I only have I only have to travel when I have been but um but I I have friends that are just you know just really it's soul crashing after covet. It's it's a different feel because you suddenly had all this time to have a different experience and IT was fine when that's when you went from the straight from school to doing this and you never knew any other way and not just the way we all do IT IT was one thing. When you had a couple years to not have that, you put that back in the system.

It's a different experience for people, I think. And I think that that's and again, I think a lot of companies are gonna are trying to get everyone to come back. And it's not that. I mean, I think if you made IT a great experience to be another thing too, that mean I get that they have assigned desks, but it's essentially being horses in like cattle and now the .

cattle have their own midleton alle. It's really an industrial era vision of work isn't IT like almost an assembly line except for data wall.

And it's, you know, I think if you gave people more offices, I mean, I think that even apple, like you built that space, they built that spaceship and it's all shared. I mean, and the problem is, is that it's just really hard you talk to anyone who sits in that have i've been a great bag of red bag, yellow bag, orange badge, all these badgers um so I i've SAT in those those environments and I can say that it's really hard to think.

IT is really hard to think about anything important when there's people talking all the time. If people walking over and saying something to you while you're trying to figure something out, you know like IT is, you know for every like you how quote, quote all we experience, you know, hallway conversation that made a big difference. There's a hundred places where people are interrupting you while you trying to get something done. And so the ability to have deep thought when you're in a shared environment is almost zero, you know. And so all that collaboration is often times cancelled out by the fact that once distracting everybody all the time, people wear headphones all day just to try to cut everybody else out.

I point very fortunate that you don't have to do IT, fortunate that I don't have to do IT. I'm at the end of my career, that's why I don't have to do IT. But most people do have to work in these environments. And you've got companies like amazon, sane and you've got to work here five days week.

what? And again, I think that what what happens is not something that happens suddenly, something that happens over time, that they are looking now looking for jobs. They are to give them more flexibility looking for those jobs. And I think, I think companies that forced their employees to come back to the office five days a week will lose vibrancy over the next decade, not tomorrow, not next year. But over the next decade, they going to be the next intel, you know, because they're gonna slowly bleed out all of their their best talent, because that best talent can be looking for that.

Lexie joe says he likes going to the office once or twice a week is a nice change of pace. He doesn't mention he has a three months old at home that those are the people say, again, yeah, I got .

gotten work. It's not the question of I being able to go to off as a couple times a week. There is a benefit to that. It's the five times a week and no flexibility where as other companies at the very minimum or like yeah maybe you come back a couple times week, a couple times deep thought at home and then you can get your collaboration stuff done in your readings, done in the office during the meal.

the week that makes its interesting. How covered really changes that whole thing. And that changed IT for us to a twit, be you already had to work from home for a few years because we couldn't.

I went to the office, but I was just me in a couple engineers. Then we decided to do a four day work week, which people seem to like. And now we completely, we have no central place. And i'm starting to wonder, maybe we need to have, I don't know, get togethers once in a while just so people can see other people.

One of a front good friend of mind that is in a company that has been distributed for decades. And one of the things they do, they have, they have daily meets, you know, stand up that are virtual. And they used to do IT up at the phone like they were talking about the fact that they're been doing this since before video was there.

But they used to do IT over the phone, and everyone expected to have an office at at their home like they expected to to not like there's a room that is where they're gonna be part of that. That's part of the cost to mean in this company. But they have you know in the same cities, they have things that they are opportunities every every month to do something in the region every quarter and the company brings over to pay, you know, because they are not paying rent, they pay everybody to come together once a year.

And those things are considered vital, you know, into cultural building. But they're also spending a lot of time in that area. And again, like because of office, ours, my company, but I am interacting with people all over the world every day, all day, you know on on those types of things.

And I feel like we get excited to see each other because, you know, I get to me every time I drive fight on the city and I K i'm going to go to this place and all the folks of not all remember a bunch of will show up and we'll get to talk talk to each other. Um so I think there's an interest in that. I don't I think that the human contact is important, but I don't know if you needed.

It's really I mean, to me, it's very interesting. It's a very it's a big change in in our culture, in our human culture. And just like social media, I don't know if i'll it'll make us more detached.

That's been that's .

been the trend going back to tribal societies, to modern society. This trend of kind of people dispersed all over the place. But band ahead.

I just a couple of things. One, that's a whole separate discussion and like also loneliness yeah location all that I would say like look, i'm very much on one side because the company might go found map night the AI we started two thousand and sixteen started out as all remote and we had investors who told us know um because we're all remote and then cover IT happened and we were for like twenty twenty the bells, the ball because we just raised money.

We were teaching people how to do all remote we I had all those systems we were like on podcast talking about IT and like we're still all remote. And I would say like we wouldn't been able to the company without doing that. So like i'm very much unlike at the side of that.

You could I get why people want to have be able to go and like bring people together and like but there's lots of ways to do IT, whether not you're all remote, you like, yeah you find people in together, which is a thing that we've done or you have a couple of days a week in and a couple days of week out. It's just the year, just it's just the shooting of in the foot, slow and slow, steady like blood drip that's going to happen from companies game as one who are doing like trying to go back to the world as IT was before covered. But the world is fundamentally changed, the way people think is fundamentally changed, and the are fundamentally changed.

I will bet though, if if amazon gets this to work, lots of other companies will be like, okay, that's the proof we need. We get lots of big companies.

but that provides the opportunity for smaller companies and companies that want to more. And I think that part of what makes this work that wouldn't have worked ten years ago is, are things like zoom and video conferencing that has gotten so good. Um that is that I think that, that changes the calculation. A we've been .

surfing that technological edge since we started to what I when I started doing podcasting and about twenty, almost exactly twenty years ago. Now I think that that end of the stories, in the next few days IT IT, you had to be sitting in the same room as the person. And then I somebody called me with skype on the radio shown I say, hey, this sounds pretty good.

Remember, red alex, we started using skype. IT didn't matter that I was in petaluma and everybody was. I don't even know .

where you guys are. I mean, the the we when we did the last twit that was in the in the um study in the studio, uh i'm not going to argue there's something about that that loves the room moves that .

I would prefer that if I were possible.

But what you give up is the ability to get all these people from all over, mean, it's not practical to do a week show and expect to get we .

get much of as we get yeah. And so when you give people the option.

when you start going for companies that do go virtually and don't force people to move to their headquarters or move to where their offices are and and are getting them from anywhere, um that is A I think that's a huge competitive vantage. And I just think companies that are thinking interest real um you know gona be at a disadvantage over the next decade as all of these technologies get Better and Better. I mean, I looked at we have we've been talking and I worked a lot of campaigns and not working on any this false. So just going .

to say I usually am .

working on some important, but what I will say is that um there was a change in politics that happened last week. If you watch the Opera, uh, Harris, you know a event that is the that is the state of the art when IT comes to hybrid events and if for people who are paying attention to IT, that is something to see. They were using what looks like zoom tiles along with him I saw. And they had, they had, they had literally grandstands of people virtually sitting there. They were bringing, you know, actors and other people in virtually.

And there the olympics was this first.

It's a fun raiser for Harris IT was .

the Opera host basically like a version of her show where SHE got to like, ask her to a bunch questions and millions of people tuned in. And you have on the zoos all the people who had organized White dudes for haris and black .

women for her up .

right marrow strip shows up and, uh, these other actors, but they also like they use IT as a form for like voter semi tough questions of that, like he could air IT out. I actually know who the technology that they are using for like that like hybrid kind of thing, and I kind of .

know what like they're using and this boze.

no, they were using to me. I mean.

no, no, no, what he mean that is there's another piece of attack. There's another thing for like the actual like physical venue and for like for some extra text or like having all the screens on.

It's interesting this has become the thing to do this in this political season. Hasn't these White dots for Harris and so far and again .

but beyond all the message and everything else ah what was important there was seen there were the technology. There were two hundred hundred and seventy thousand concurrently watching that show. Yeah um while they brought in people that would have been logistically impossible to do in the time frame. And you know what you're starting to see is that a that's tuns every thousand. We're gona see events in the next couple years that are millions you know people and the thing is, is that that is um as you start to think in those terms, you know a lot of this like we all have to come back to the obvious feels very antiquated yeah like we're on .

the cusp of a very different world yeah I think that's that's pretty clear. Hey, if if rob per gera were in the studio with me, I I would be able to perceive that if he was about to think from hunger. So I will take a break and we will, we will get you to your dinner in a minute, rob, okay, I apologize.

I can see you yeah thinking .

that time to get turned to fade a little bit as we all are. We got a great panel, though, and see this is really amazing what can happen when I prepared twenty years ago, I spent hours after every show trying to make a sound of, okay, we couldn't do video. And now this is like we're all in the same room. I mean, it's kind of amazing really what a world.

what a time in the production .

and part right now to a side by side view of episode .

one and episode a thousand yeah look and listen to the no.

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There are that part of that. If you go northern only like the change is specifically, you will see reasonable.

That's where my people from that were my people from. So that's good, of course. Rapier, I A combat also fast company, and see.

Mag, why your cut all of that? Why are any other fined publications?

Thank you for being here, rob. We really appreciate IT and go get something to eat. Do you know what's for dinner?

This is going to be positive. X, we ve always, somehow the tomatoes.

right? Tomatoes yeah now jealous and basel but i've never .

had a ground so well, I don't know what I was wrong all about the other year. We've been in the house twenty years. But yeah, we could do, pastor says once a week .

easily um i'm so jealous now the first time I ever had peston, nineteen nineteen, sixty seven in near genoa and when nobody ever had in the united states, my mom, I was like, eleven. My mom went, what is this and we and we started making peston at home for the rest of my life. And it's the best thing ever, fresh pest to enjoy.

Thank you rap for being here. Really appreciated. Thank you. Also to mrs. Ben par, newly married.

I will not be having pestle tonight.

What will you be having?

I've natural depends on what mrs. Par wants.

What's the take out? Menu will look like.

I some beef and I have, and I have some salad that I need to make. So IT definite nice.

something very nice. But is the author of the AI analyst. You can read them in the information. Of course, his company, early on a, doing this, obtain A, I anything else you want to plug? Bin.

I guess sad at the very beginning. I'll have another thing to plug. Maybe the next time i'm here. New title. We will see how .

exciting this events do. A flappy bird?

No, okay. Yes, I am the new flappy .

bird IT made its way back you .

to this week. So we didn't get to that story, but i'll save that exactly with a lot of story we didn't get to will have to get to them later in the week, maybe on tuesday and MC break quickly with alex linzie and andy and and Jason, thank you for being here alex doing double duty this week.

pleasure.

I would feel guilty except the fact that you're on office hours that global seven days a week anyway yeah shit.

yeah. So you .

know .

it's it's a, uh, we have a good time, you know. So every every day did .

you do cooking this weekend?

I am A, I am doing major cooking. I'm going to make some stuff for next week. Pretty a arn .

like on burning.

And I learned how to make IT my rice cooker.

Yeah, you can make IT a rice cooker. I just found that I do close me away.

Now it's like nothing and so I makes so much so the for the whole family. And so and you throw bunch stuff into IT and it's where it's like you you you kind of throw things into test grade. So um so i'm going to be making some of that uh and also it's almost super season, so another week two and i'll start making like I usually make like ten quarts of soup on a sunday and then while the game or whatever and and and then I just put IT amazing jars and put IT in for thing. I don't want to think about IT so i'm just .

for I have some totally I brodo waiting for me that I made before your a vacation and frozen now haven't that sounds .

good to can't wait.

yeah. Thank you, alex. We'll see you tuesday on mac break.

We clean in monday through friday. I actually monday through sunday at office hours. That global. Thank you all for joining us. A special thanks to our club twit members who make IT possible to continue to do this show.

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So stay tuned for that if you're in the member of the club, all that will be available in the discard tweet that TV flash clip, because the reason you do IT really is to keep the content common. We want to keep doing these shows. Thanks to microsoft, who filled in for me during our vacation to ian thomson and the vender harwood.

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Are you? Are you .

being shy? Anthony? There is. There is Better now when I sent the site, look at this.

Is that a gaming machine? What do you got going on there? A modular synthesizer. Make me, what are you? You're gonna.

Oh, and that looks like you got the old mixer that we started twin on. Is that yours? That okay? Because that's very much like the original mixture that we started the show on.

It's actually sky. I don't .

I think I think .

he's got been a way .

to please .

lazy about setting up my O, B, S.

And all that stuff, please. Let's do IT would love to love to have you in the club, but doing some music for us, thanks to Anthony Nelson, are creative director who created a crazy neon twitter logo behind me. And burke maquina hood helped him all the wiring in the lighting and get that all fixed up in russia.

Tamie, who is our independent guy who really does keep this running, keeping the bits flowing. Thanks to all of you for being here. And we will see next week for episode nine, nine, nine, episode one thousand coming up in two weeks. Wow, hard to believe. And as i've said for nine hundred and ninety eight .

episodes to say, yes.

you IT felt like years to rob t definitely feel like years to see how long I can stretch ches out. No, I won't do that. drab.

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