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Trump White House Makes Changes on AI Copyright and Chips

2025/5/13
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主持人:特朗普政府撤销了拜登的人工智能扩散规则,该规则限制了美国制造的AI芯片出口。许多公司,特别是英伟达,对此表示担忧,认为这会促使中国开发自己的芯片并出口。拜登的规则将世界划分为三个等级,对不同国家实施不同的芯片出口限制。美国商务部还警告说,使用华为的Ascend AI芯片违反了美国的出口规则。我认为特朗普可能会利用AI芯片作为谈判筹码,与不同国家达成贸易协议。我个人认为,对墨西哥和葡萄牙等国实施芯片出口限制没有太大意义,应该允许他们购买英伟达的芯片。

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Today on the podcast, we have big news out of the White House. Two separate events. One is that Trump has made some big, uh, some big...

personnel replacement in the copyright office. And the second one is in regards to US chip export limitations from the Biden administration that have been recently repealed by the Trump administration. So a bunch of interesting things on the copyright IP trademark side and also on the chip export side. We're going to be diving into the implications and what is happening this week. Before we do, I wanted to mention that my very own startup, AI Box, is out of

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The first thing I want to talk about is the Trump administration has officially rescinded Biden's AI diffusion rules. So what exactly does that mean? So there's been a bunch of rumors going on for the last couple of weeks. This is the Department of Commerce, the DOC. And essentially what happened was there was, you know, it was called the Artificial Intelligence Diffusion Rule.

Biden put it into place. It was supposed to come into effect in a couple days. And essentially, it just had a bunch of US-made AI chip export limits. Now, we've been seeing just in the last few weeks, a bunch of manufacturers and a bunch of AI companies going to the White House and saying, hey, don't put these export limits in effect. NVIDIA, I think, in particular, was like, it's going to be bad for

um our company obviously but also they're like if if you do that then china's just going to develop their own chips and they're going to ship it to countries and so it wasn't just like china but there's a bunch of countries on there that some people said were questionable so um

Exactly how this worked is Biden's rule had the world essentially like put into three different buckets. There was tier one, tier two, and tier three. So in tier one countries, you have like Japan, South Korea, those types of countries. Those ones had no export restrictions. So Japan, South Korea, they were totally cool. They could grab as many American chips as they wanted. Tier two countries had countries like Mexico and Portugal, which were kind of added in there. These aren't like...

our political adversaries, right? Like Portugal, it's in the EU, Mexico, it's on our border. And essentially those ones for the first time ever, we're going to have a bunch of chip export limits. They could only get a certain amount of chips that we would export. And then there was tier three countries like China and Russia, and those are going to have super strict controls. So this isn't that the whole thing is going to be replaced by

But apparently they're going to put in some new things in the future. One thing that the DOC did mention, though, they put some guidance out and they essentially told companies that if they're using Huawei's Ascend AI chips anywhere in the world, that violates U.S. export rules. So it's kind of interesting. They're like they're really trying to flex the muscle, not let you use certain companies, say that you have to. This is kind of the way it was. It was going for a while.

um and essentially they they warned that there was a bunch of consequences of letting us ai chips be used to train ai models in china and you know this is kind of what they're trying to uh get away from you can see people like sam altman have really started to pivot the us against china and deep sea can say you know he is a democratic ai model and those are authoritarian ai models and we need the democratic a models to win so

Kind of interesting. I'll give you the quote that the US Secretary of Commerce, Jeffrey Kessler said. He said, "The Trump administration will pursue a bold, inclusive strategy to American AI technology with trusted foreign countries around the world while keeping the technology out of the hands of adversaries." I think pretty much what is going to happen... Okay, well, he also said, "At the same time, we reject the Biden administration's attempt to impose its own ill-conceived and counterproductive AI policies on American people." Okay, what I pretty much think is happening here is

I think there's still going to be some sort of export rules. Personally, I mean, I know you don't really care about my opinion, but personally, Mexico and Portugal, I don't see much of a reason to put like restrictions if they want to buy it, let them buy Nvidia chips. The one thing that I think is probably going to happen here, though, is that we're going to start seeing more of a country by country basis. Trump's negotiating tariff policy and deals with a bunch of different countries. And I'm sure this kind of AI chips thing could be a lever on that where he's like, look,

You make a certain good deal with you, we'll let you have unlimited U.S. chips, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So I think that might be a factor in this. And then probably another factor is like it's they said they're going to replace it. So evidently, some of the things Biden came up with might not have been a terrible idea, but Portugal and Mexico restricting them probably wasn't a great idea. So we'll see what happens there.

All right. And I mean, by great idea, I just mean for the profits of U.S. companies. So I guess more money to America if we don't have restrictions on Portugal and Mexico. So anyways, and a bunch of other companies have bucketed into tier three or whatever. So the other thing that is making a lot of news is that Trump has just fired the copyright office director. There's a bunch of reports around AI that had just came out from there. And evidently, Trump wasn't a fan of that. So

What happened was Shira Perlmutter, so she was in head ahead of the US Copyright Office. She was actually hired or put into place during Trump's last presidency in 2020. But it wasn't I don't believe it was by him who appointed her.

So, of course, there are many people that are very upset about this. Someone said Donald Trump's termination of the register of copyright is a brazen, unprecedented power grab with no legal basis. And then they're like, it is surely no coincidence he acted less than a day after she refused to rubber stamp Elon Musk's effort to mine troves of copyrighted works to train AI models. Yeah.

And while this may be true, I think Elon Musk isn't the only one probably pushing for this. We've seen in recent, in the recent months, we've seen Sam Altman, formerly very, or I guess not formerly, Sam Altman, very strong Democrat, campaigned heavily against Trump in multiple elections. He has been over to the White House to say, you know, essentially they wanted to repeal a lot of the copyright things. I mean, it makes sense. He's got like a, he's

He's got a vested interest in trying to get as much data for as cheap as possible. So I think, you know, Elon Musk, Sam Altman, I think we saw Anthropic and we saw even NVIDIA over there. A lot of people are kind of lobbying in this direction and you can see where the financial incentives lie. So I don't think that's any shock. What's interesting here is...

I think just the fact that in the copyright office, they just released a big report. And so this is kind of the reason why many people are saying she got fired. And the report essentially said that it is, quote, not possible to prejudge, prejudge

The essential then they said, you know, the outcome of individual cases, they said there's a limitation on how much AI companies can count in their quote unquote fair use as a defense for when they train models on copyrighted content. And they said.

you know, particularly if they got this in an illegal way. Now, for me, I'm not like scandalized by that. I think that's probably actually a great rule, right? Like if you're going and, you know, buying one paid account of the New York Times, then using it to go scrape all the paid content of the New York Times, I think that's pretty shady. And I think you probably get caught and get in trouble for it. But it's,

seems like a lot of these AI companies have done similar kind of sneaky strategies. The problem at this point is just like the models have all this data in there and it's hard for them to figure out where it all came from and how to get it all out once they've trained models on it. There's a lot of drama around open AI training probably off of all of YouTube. They're very shady about it. Miriam Maradi was asked by the New York Times about it a couple years ago, was very

Shifty in her response saying she didn't know and then of course she quit the company so like she's kind of I think absolved herself of anything there for their their Soro video generation model in any case I think evidently these AI companies have scooped up literally everything they can get their hands on and trained the models off of trying to get any sort of competitive edge and make their models better and so this is what's happening so this is essentially what their their document said it says

But making commercial use of vast troves of copyrighted works to produce expressive content that competes with them in existing markets, especially where this is accomplished through illegal access, goes beyond established fair use boundaries. Then the Copyright Office essentially goes on to suggest that the government is not going to intervene right now. It's a little premature. You know, they said it would be premature at this time.

On the one hand, like, yes, I think don't get it illegally in shady ways. But at the same time, literally the person that I think the person that got fired probably isn't the end of the world because she literally said that it would be premature to have any sort of government intervention at this time. So there was no plan to do anything. They did express support for quote unquote licensing markets. I'm a big fan of this. Adobe is a great example of a company that I think is doing this well. They have...

If you were on one of their stock photo websites that they purchased or that they own, and they use that to train their Shutterstock or the Shutterfly image generation model, then you get a royalty when people use your artwork to generate images. And to be honest, it's actually really tricky the way that this royalty program works. It's not a piece-by-piece basis. It's actually...

It's actually essentially they just take like how many total images you have in the data set and then they just divide it and give you like a small royalty. So it's not very a scientific exact art, but I'm also part of, you know, some music distributors like Lander, for example, that has an opt-in where you can opt-in to allow your music to be trained in AM models. I think this kind of opt-in is a good option. And evidently Lander will either license the data or they'll make their own music generation model, which is interesting.

So, like, I'm all for these kind of licensing markets. It seems like they're, you know, they're kind of supporting them as well.

I don't think that's a bad thing. Of course, there's tons of lawsuits against OpenAI and other people that have been doing this. And Elon Musk, Jack Dorsey, the owner of Square, former founder of Twitter, Jack Dorsey recently said delete all IP law. I think that's probably a little extreme. But in any case, I think that there's definitely a big kind of debate going on and people are worried that it's going to stifle

AI innovation in America and that's going to slow down our American companies. Is this good? Is this bad? I'm not going to really weigh in on this. I will say that China's deep seek doesn't care about copyright and all the AI models in China don't care about scraping everything they can in any shady ways and using it. And those will inevitably be the best models if they're allowed to do that. So I think that's going to probably be the argument from the other side saying like delete all IP law or whatever. It's just like China has and China will beat us. But of course,

stealing everyone's stuff doesn't feel great. So those are the two sides of it. It's interesting to see what will come up, what sort of laws remain in place. Thank you so much for tuning into the podcast today. If you enjoyed it, make sure to go over and check out AIbox.ai, my own AI startup. I'm super excited that we're launching our beta. $19 a month, you can replace a ton of subscriptions to 11 labs for audio, tons of image generators, tons of text models that you might've been paying for. You get them all in one place and chat with them all in the same chat feed. So it's

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