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Episode 748 | The Ins and Outs of Startup Investing

2025/1/14
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Rob Walling: 我与 Einar Vollset 讨论了创业投资的方方面面,包括风险投资和天使投资的区别、交易流程的重要性以及估值方面的挑战。我们还探讨了 TinySeed 与传统风险投资的不同之处,例如其对资本效率的关注以及为什么这种方法对雄心勃勃的 B2B SaaS 公司有效。 我意识到风险投资行业的复杂性,许多风险投资基金的回报率甚至不如标准普尔500指数基金。我个人也进行过一些天使投资,发现拥有良好的交易渠道至关重要。许多坚持自举的创业者实际上拥有其他资金来源,这使得他们能够抵制融资的诱惑。 TinySeed 的目标是帮助那些被传统风险投资体系忽视的创业者,为他们提供一种不同的融资选择。我们关注的是 40 倍的投资回报率,而不是数十亿美元的退出。高估值会限制公司的退出选择,因为投资者会设置一些条款来确保高回报。 TinySeed 的估值方法与传统风险投资不同,它更注重公司的实际市场价值,并强调让创业公司保持更多的选择权。 Einar Vollset: 理解创业投资的激励机制对于创业者选择融资方式至关重要。融资使那些没有大量资金的创业者也能更容易地启动 SaaS 业务。 追求高倍数回报的投资者应该直接投资单个公司,而不是风险投资基金。投资风险投资基金是为了降低风险,而不是追求高倍数回报。只有少数人拥有高质量的交易渠道和定价权。为了获得比50%更高的盈亏平衡概率,投资者应该进行至少15到20项投资。 风险投资的关键在于进场价格和出场价格,高估值会降低投资回报率。传统风险投资基金的成功很大程度上取决于其投资组合公司后续融资时的估值提升。TinySeed 的估值方法与传统风险投资不同,它更注重公司的实际市场价值。 TinySeed 的投资策略适用于那些资本效率高的 B2B SaaS 公司。我们使用基于收入倍数的保守估值方法,更接近于清算价值。尽管 TinySeed 使用保守的估值方法,但其投资组合的业绩仍然表现良好。风险投资的成功往往具有自我实现的特性,早期成功会带来更多的资金和交易机会。对于新成立的风险投资基金来说,早期投资的运气至关重要。 TinySeed 保持基金规模稳定,并专注于执行其核心策略。盲目扩大基金规模可能会降低投资效率和竞争力。TinySeed 的投资策略是跨多个有抱负的 B2B SaaS 公司进行分散投资。

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What is the typical return for a top quartile venture fund during a good decade like 2004-2014?

A top quartile venture fund during the 2004-2014 decade returned approximately 2.1x the invested capital. For example, a $100,000 investment would yield $216,000 over 7 to 10 years.

Why do most venture funds fail to beat the S&P 500?

Most venture funds fail to beat the S&P 500 because around 40% of them return less than 1x the invested capital, meaning investors lose money. Even top-performing funds only return 2.1x, while the S&P 500 often outperforms this over the same period.

What is the difference between angel investing and investing in a venture fund?

Angel investing involves making individual bets on startups, which can yield extremely high returns (e.g., 100x) but carries significant risk of losing the entire investment. Venture funds, on the other hand, spread risk across multiple investments, reducing the chance of total loss but also capping potential returns to more modest multiples like 2x or 5x.

Why is deal flow critical for successful startup investing?

Deal flow is critical because it determines the quality and quantity of investment opportunities. Without access to high-quality deals, investors cannot make informed bets or negotiate favorable valuations, which are essential for achieving strong returns.

How does TinySeed differ from traditional venture capital funds?

TinySeed focuses on capital-efficient B2B SaaS companies that don't require multiple funding rounds. Unlike traditional VC funds that rely on billion-dollar exits, TinySeed targets smaller, more frequent exits in the $50-100 million range, allowing founders and investors to succeed without needing massive outcomes.

What is the significance of valuations in venture investing?

Valuations are critical because they determine the entry price for investors. Overpaying for a startup (e.g., investing at a $25 million pre-revenue valuation) makes it difficult to achieve strong returns unless the company reaches a massive exit. TinySeed focuses on reasonable valuations to ensure better returns for investors.

Why do many venture funds prioritize markups over actual exits?

Venture funds prioritize markups because they use them to demonstrate portfolio performance to investors (LPs). Markups occur when a startup raises additional funding at a higher valuation, which can make the fund appear successful even if no actual exits have occurred. This is a key metric for raising subsequent funds.

How does TinySeed evaluate the performance of its portfolio companies?

TinySeed evaluates performance using a revenue-based multiple (2x to 7x) rather than relying on markups from subsequent funding rounds. This approach provides a more conservative and realistic assessment of a company's liquidation value, aligning with TinySeed's focus on capital efficiency and smaller exits.

What is the 1-9-90 rule in startup funding?

The 1-9-90 rule suggests that 1% of startups should pursue venture capital, 9% should raise some form of funding (e.g., angels or TinySeed), and 90% should bootstrap. This framework highlights how the venture capital model leaves out many founders who could benefit from alternative funding strategies.

Why does TinySeed keep its fund size relatively small compared to traditional VCs?

TinySeed keeps its fund size small to maintain focus on capital-efficient B2B SaaS companies and avoid diluting its investment strategy. Unlike traditional VCs that scale fund sizes to increase management fees, TinySeed prioritizes consistent deal flow and targeted investments over rapid growth.

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The stigma around bootstrapper funding is lessening, with more founders considering alternative funding options. This shift is partly due to the increasing availability of resources and the recognition that bootstrapping isn't always the best path for everyone. The democratization of SaaS business startups is also a factor, making it easier for those without large sums of capital to participate.
  • The stigma of bootstrapper funding is waning.
  • More founders are considering raising funding.
  • It democratizes starting a SaaS business.

Shownotes Transcript

In episode 748, Rob Walling sits down with Einar Vollset, co-founder of TinySeed, to discuss the ins and outs of startup investing. They explore the differences between VC and angel investing, the importance of deal flow, and the challenges of valuation. Rob and Einar also highlight how TinySeed’s approach differs from traditional VC, including their focus on capital efficiency and why it’s been working for ambitious B2B SaaS companies.

**Topics we cover: **

  • (2:37) – The stigma of bootstrapper funding is waning

  • (6:44) – What success looks like in venture funding

  • (10:45) – Breaking down the math and deal flow

  • (17:54) – How valuations work

  • (26:21) – Keeping optionality

  • (29:58) – Evaluating markups

  • (35:18) – Raising TinySeed’s next fund

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