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Wall Street Roundup: retail earnings, Reddit volatility, AI momentum

2025/5/23
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Brian Stewart: 本周Target发布了财报,其业绩令人失望,导致股价下跌。尽管随后有所反弹,但整体来看,市场对其前景仍持谨慎态度。Target不仅业绩不佳,还下调了业绩指引,并且正在失去市场份额给沃尔玛和Costco等竞争对手。此外,公司还面临着因其DEI政策变化而引发的抵制。虽然不清楚抵制对业绩的影响有多大,但宏观经济因素无疑也加剧了其困境。我认为,Target需要找到一个扭转局面的关键点,但目前来看,这个转机尚未出现。与此同时,William Sonoma的财报也表现不佳,市场反应与Target类似,初步下跌后趋于稳定。我认为,零售业的坏消息已经被市场部分消化,现在的关键问题在于宏观经济是否能够稳定下来,或者情况是否会进一步恶化。不过,在零售业中,Gap的表现值得关注,自4月中旬以来,其股价已经上涨了约59%,这主要得益于市场对关税缓解的预期。我认为,零售业将会出现赢家和输家,而最终的胜负将取决于整体经济的走向。

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Target's recent earnings report revealed a disappointing quarter, lowered guidance, and loss of market share to competitors like Walmart and Costco. Other retailers like William Sonoma also experienced similar downturns, reflecting broader concerns about the economy. However, some retailers like Gap are showing signs of strength, potentially due to tariff relief.
  • Target's stock fell 5% post-earnings but rebounded slightly
  • William Sonoma also saw a decline in stock price after disappointing earnings
  • Gap's stock is up significantly since mid-April, potentially due to tariff relief

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Welcome back to Wall Street Roundup with our director of news here at Seeking Alpha, the illustrious Brian Stewart. Welcome back to another week.

Great to be here. Thanks a lot. Target released earnings this week. I think that will say a lot about what's happening or what's been happening in the retail picture, some concerns around Target. What have you seen out of Target and what has been the market's response? So Target fell about 5% after its earnings were released yesterday. However, it's rebounding about 3% so far. Today, we're recording this on Thursday. So

All in all, you take the two days together, not much of a move, even though the news out of the company was pretty disappointing. Disappointing quarter, lowered guidance, companies losing market share to places like Walmart and Costco. There's also a cloud hanging over the company. There's been a boycott based on its changing DEI policies. Not clear how much of that is part of the problem or whether it's more macro concerns, but the

The company lost ground earlier this year. So I think the general take coming out of it is bad, but not worse than had already been baked into the stock. So still need to find the pivot point for a turnaround and certainly not there yet.

And other earnings that you've seen this week, what would you put at the top of that list in terms of interesting and pertinent and valuable for investors to know about? Well, playing off of Target, William Sonoma was down after its earnings as well. It was down about 9% earlier today on those results. However, it's rebounded somewhat. It's now down about 5%.

So in a way, the same kind of reaction as Target, an initial downturn after a disappointing report and then stabilization from there. So I think a lot of the bad news in retail has been baked into the cake somewhat. The question then becomes on the macro level, is the economy stabilizing or is it getting worse? One standout in the retail space worth looking at is Gap.

It's going to report earnings next week. It's up about 59% since mid-April. That includes a 6% rise this week. And it's getting to the point where it's challenging 52-week highs that were reached almost a full year ago, more than 11 months. That's a company that the tariff relief rally has really come on strong. The idea that...

Tariffs are not going to be as heinous as people had feared. And so that's a stock that's rallying there. So you're going to see winners and losers in the retail space. And the question is just, where's the economy going?

Another stock in the news that we saw this week was, and we've been talking about the internet sector over the last couple of weeks and what we've seen out of those names, but we saw some movement this week from them was Reddit. What's your sense there out of Reddit and how the market's reflecting that? So trading on Reddit has been really interesting. It's been extremely volatile. So this week has been a very bad week for the stock. It's down 24% from the close last Wednesday to the close this Wednesday. And

That followed 11% rally last Wednesday, but then dropped 9% the following session. And they continue to fall for five days in a row, including another 9% drop yesterday, Wednesday, as we're recording this. However, all told, the stock has basically just come to return where it was before the volatility set in around where it was when the earnings came out. So in the past month, it's basically flat. The issue is a debate around...

whether or not changing search habits generated by AI are going to dislocate the way users use Reddit. So Google is inputting a lot of AI assists into its search. So people aren't clicking as much. They don't need to because the AI generates the answer they're looking for. And so the question for a company like Reddit is, is that traffic going to

undermine its business. It did report earnings relatively recently, and those earnings were extremely strong. So for instance, the company reported 61% rise in revenues, a 31% rise in daily active users. So all signs are that things are going well at the company, but the question is, is the environment surrounding it changing so fast that those numbers don't really mean anything?

CoreWeave is another stock that's been in the news this week as a stock mover. I believe I mentioned last week that Sara Awad from Tech Contrarians was on our Investing Experts podcast.

Talking about her bullishness on the recent IPO stock, what are you seeing out of CoreWeave this week and in general? One of the major themes that you and I have been discussing all year is how the AI trade has been moving through the market. If we count NVIDIA as patient zero for NVIDIA.

the AI rally now that's spreading out to different players. And one of the marks, especially as AI became prominent in investors' minds was whether or not the IPO market would catch up, whether new players would come online that were

Tied to the trade, we're a little bit more pure play than some of the established companies and whether they would start to sop up some of that investor demand. And Corweave is a great example of that. They're a cloud service provider. The big catalyst lately has been they disclosed a deal with OpenAI that'll pay it up to $4 billion through April 2029.

for cloud computing capability. So this is a company that's taking advantage of the infrastructure that needs to be put in place to run these AI businesses. CoreWeave came public in March. It came with relatively little fanfare in the sense of investor demand. On the day it started trading, it basically ended flat, came public at $40 per share, and that's where it ended its first day trading. So there wasn't a huge pop for

in its time as a public company, but that's certainly changed lately. It's now about 180% since that IPO. That includes a 22% rise last Friday when it reported earnings. That earnings included a 420% year-over-year increase in revenue. And so now on Thursday, it's up five sessions in a row, including another 19% rise yesterday and a 6% rise as we're talking now on Thursday. So

Not only did it get a bump from the earnings, which certainly put a spotlight on the stock, but has followed through dramatically over the last few days. So I think it's coming on the radar of a lot of investors. And the question becomes whether or not it's...

overplayed its hand in the near term or whether this is just the beginning, whether it's going to start to get even a larger following as people notice how quickly it's shot up. And is this adding anything to the conversation around AI? We've been talking the past few months about AI spending and AI guidance and the changes there. Is this adding anything to that conversation or is this mostly about CoreWeave?

I think it adds to the conversation in the sense that that $4 billion deal with open AI is just another indication that companies are continuing to spend to roll out their AI capabilities. Earlier this year, there was concern that that spending would pull back both for the macroeconomic reasons that were coming into view earlier this year, possible economic slowdown, tariffs, those kinds of factors. Also the idea that

Things like DeepSeek and cheaper, less infrastructure reliance. Competitors were going to come online that were going to

make the infrastructure spending not as dramatic as people had baked in. But all the signs recently are companies are continuing to spend. OpenAI in this CoreWeave deal, Meta announced in their earnings that they were going to do a lot of spending going forward. That's something to keep an eye on going forward. It's important to note that NVIDIA is announcing earnings next week. In general, earnings season has slowed down

lately. It's basically over. And so Nvidia is the last major player in this round of earnings really to announce. And we're going to get a lot of guidance from them. Well, we hopefully will get a lot of guidance from them. It's not clear that the company will

how much information will actually provide, but that'll be a huge data point in terms of determining the current diet for new AI spending. We had a guest on Investing Experts this week, not to overplug the podcast, but

You know, he was saying in this new investing economic world, he's become a tariff expert, a foreign policy expert, a bond trader. He's never bought a bond. We saw Moody's remove its triple A rating. What would you say about the bond market these days?

So the main action in the bond market after that announcement was in the 30 year, the 30 year is currently trading a little above 5%. It was at about 4.7%. This is the treasury yield. Um,

At the end of April, it was about 4.7%. It was below 4% last September. So you've seen a pretty large move in the 30-year. That's because the lower the credit rating for US treasuries, the higher the borrowing costs are likely to be. So that's just responding to that. The 30-year is also threatening today during today's trading to close at its highest mark since 2007. So you're talking decades long.

It's been a while since we've seen this kind of Treasury yield in the 30-year. There's no clear indication of why that would come down in the near term. They just passed a new budget. The House just passed a new budget. Still needs to go to the Senate, but that budget does nothing to alleviate the concerns that Moody's raised, specifically rising national debt, continuing fiscal deficits.

In the current environment, the situation that Moody's flagged is likely only to either stay the same or get worse. So the treasury markets, especially on the long end, might see further action. And what else are you seeing macro wise? What are you seeing out of the White House? What are you seeing from government policy? Yeah, I feel this week has been a relatively inactive week as compared to what we've been going through.

so far during the Trump administration in terms of just headline shock, both up and down. I think that we're still waiting for the tariff situation to resolve itself. We got a big pop recently from the idea that we were doing a 90-day pause in the Chinese tariffs, but that clock is ticking. So we'll see how that plays out. So I think we're kind of in a waiting zone for there. I think

The main focus of investors on the macro level will probably be incoming economic data. The PCE, the Fed's favorite inflation gauge, is coming out next week. So that'll be a good place to start talking about inflation and the broader economic situation. Looking ahead to next week, we mentioned NVIDIA. That's going to be the big headliner. We talked retailers. Costco is coming out late next week with its earnings. As discussed, Target is losing...

round to Walmart and Costco. So it'll be interesting to see

where Costco sits in that. If Target gave disappointing results, is Costco going to follow suit or is Costco the one that's causing Target to have those bad results? So that'll be interesting there. Noteworthy tech players, Salesforce coming out next week, also Hewlett Packard and Dell. So get a good glimpse of the PC market from Hewlett Packard and Dell. And then Salesforce is obviously a huge player in business to business.

get an idea of a broader economic picture from what they have to say about their sales situation. How do companies decide when they report? Is it based on something? Is it random? Most companies are on a pretty regular schedule. So once you kind of set a precedent, you stick to it. And it causes a situation where companies will get sort of clustered together. Like Meta and Microsoft are always the same day for whatever reason. And I'm sure that's not any sort of conspiracy theory.

I don't think they're figuring that out. I just think that they happen to be on the same kind of sales cycle. You'll see retailers are about a month after the main peak of their earnings cycle. That's mostly because their fiscal years end of January instead of end of December because they want time to compute the Christmas sales. It would be a real crunch to try and have Christmas on December 25th and then close your books six days later, seven days later. So they tend to cluster together just because...

They're in the same business and they're following the same calendar. So it's not random so much as it is the individual business dynamics that make it so a company decides one end date versus another. The amount of...

factors that go into it are pretty, I don't know, complicated is not the right word, but there are multiple factors that go into it. So for instance, if a company is headquartered in California, they're going to report after the close just because for them it's in the middle of the day rather than at the end of the day. Like lots of practical matters figure into this. Yeah, exactly. It's really a practical decision. And like I said, once you're locked into a certain rhythm, you're pretty much stuck doing that. It would take

some doing for a large company to change the rhythm of their accounting structure. So I've been doing this for 25 years and a lot of these companies that can still predict generally when they'll report based on when they reported 15 years ago or whatever. It's not random in the sense that each, each company is predictable, but they're, everybody's on a slightly different schedule, slightly different rhythm. And so it's

kind of works out that you get the peak of running season, but then you get stragglers for whatever reason kind of through that lull. I wanted to make mention that Monday, as most people probably already know, the markets will be closed for Memorial Day. I do want to take a minute. This is an investing podcast, but there's a lot going on in the world. Perhaps there's always a lot of terrible things going on in the world, as we know and as your perspectives

broadens, but certainly a lot of terrible things going on. So for those who have people in the military, for those who have lost people, for those who are wanting to pay their respects, I encourage everybody to take a minute out of their day and reflect on the blessings that we have.